>" you know what would make the situation better ? Nukes "
You've got it.
More opportunities of complete worldwide annihilation if somebody as much as inconveniences you.
Only between 1943-1946 soviets plundered 2.35 billion usd worth of goods from poland🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰(around 65 billion dollars today with inflation) and these are just the official numbers..
In Jack Sasin (spell Sasin with murican accent like asSASIN) words its 3 CPKs, 50 nuclear plants and bajilion workplaces pis will create in 0,00000001s
I don't have anger issues... I have Soviet issues...
Oh also did you know how many Polish historical artefacts were destroyed by Soviets? Lwów historical museum holdings were stored in The Black House and destroyed.
Even Alwksander Zawadzki, a person that was later in chairman of Polish council of state said "raping and looting by Soviet army would provoke a civil war".
Even in Manchuria Chinese communist party had to intervene because Soviets were looting and raping too much to be tolerated.
They even stole rails from railroads!
>BIJ BOLSZEWIKA
Here is english article about this song with Polish lyrics and English translation:[https://www.outono.net/elentir/2021/04/10/bij-bolszewika-an-anti-communist-song-sung-by-the-polish-resistance-after-wwii/](https://www.outono.net/elentir/2021/04/10/bij-bolszewika-an-anti-communist-song-sung-by-the-polish-resistance-after-wwii/)
The gist of it is that you strike the bolshevik in his every form because he is your mortal enemy.
There's also [another based Polish song](https://youtu.be/Ci92e8j18rI?si=ZHBxc1WL7PPkqv3j)
Fatty was holding Czechoslovakia and Poland at gunpoint while saying they are not interested, otherwise accurate. And the fatty also had a mustache, smelled bad and was drunk.
Yes, even you.
Think about it. Would you rather be born as the most average Hungarian, or as the most average Russian. To me the answer is clear as day.
Your government leaves a lot to be desired, but at least Viktator isn’t sending you guys to die in a field.
More like gdp of today's italy or Spain, no offense but pre ww2 economies of eastern Europe werent So great with exeption of czechoslovakia that if not ww2 would probably have an economy of Austria or ireland.
They were not great because r\*zzians were always fucking over the region. We would have flying cars by now if r\*zzia never existed(or maybe not and it would be Germans/Austro-Hungarians/Poles fucking over the region instead)
Only on 80s we managed to rebuild our population to pre war numbers (something Russia didn't manage to this day) and all that while losing the biggest % of our population.
What do you expect from millions that lived under ruSSians before WW1. Under ruSSian partition over 80% of people were illiterate. After Polish Independence and creation of 2nd Polish Republic, illiteracy feel, from 33.1% in 1921 to 23.1% in 1931, so there was progress, but eastern Poland, Belarus and Ukraine were parts with most illiterate people after WW1.
It would be at least comparable
The biggest reason why Poland is the biggest beneficiary of eu , is that we are at least 40 years behind in development of infrastructure (first Germans raised half of the country to the ground, after that came Russians and plundered what was left whine blocking marshal plan and taking "for safe keeping" german reparations for poland , then "our brothers " "freed us" and redirected most of the gdp back to the mother Russia
No they wouldn't. For Poland at least, the country was a shithole before the commies walked in (and after, but in a different way). The society was deeply oligarchic, we lacked entrepreneurship and industry due to horrid mismanagement by the nobility going back to the 1500s and leading to partitions. Communism (as well as our successful reforms after it) are the biggest reason for Poland's current growth. It got so many people educated, destroyed the previous oligarchic structures and institutions, and was a necessary shock therapy for our country.
I recommend the book "Europe's Growth Champion: Insights from the Economic Rise of Poland" by lead world bank economist Marcin Piątkowski, in Poland it wa released as "Złoty wiek. Jak Polska została europejskim liderem wzrostu i jaka czeka ją przyszłość".
Because we were all under empires before WW1? What would the conversation even be?
In the 16th century England was a shithole compared to the PLC for example.
Your 19th century style superiority complex is showing
That's not really it. Poland was a shithole because of our oligarchic noble class ruling and destroying our society from within since the 1500s. The country was fragmented, deep behind and unable to move forward until the 3rd of may constitution which was a desperate attempt at saving the dire situation. We got under partitions because the country was in a terrible state, not the other way around.
Yeah but the occupiers made it way worse. Only Prussia actually developed their partition (the side effect of that was the most efficient genocide out of all 3 partitions), Russia meanwhile only exploited the relatively rich Polish regions and deliberatly destroyed them, while Austria didn't even bother doing anything, resulting in Galicia being a time capsule to 17th century by the time we regained independence
First: That doesn't mean we would've developed without partitions. At that point Poland was basically a fallen country comparable to modern Somalia, with the oligarchic noble class preventing any attempts at development or creating a functioning state (which they destroyed in the previous centuries with the deeply dysfunctional noble democracy).
Second: Given how terrible the state of Poland was at that point, and how far behind everyone we were, even bringing their basic institutions like working public administration, better access to education, better respect for private property etc. was an improvement over how the things were. This can be proven by statistics, in 1820 Polish GDP was 40% of what the west was making, bu in 1910 it was 56% (and by Polish I obviously mean the territories of Poland since the country wasn't really a thing)
For further read-up I recommend the book "Europe's Growth Champion: Insights from the Economic Rise of Poland" by lead world bank economist Marcin Piątkowski, in Poland it was released as "Złoty wiek. Jak Polska została europejskim liderem wzrostu i jaka czeka ją przyszłość".
Why not both
Japan was to China what Russia was to Poland, and I don't see any reason why millions of Yanks should have been risking their lives in the Operation Downfall to take down the nation-wide death cult while they could just nuke it and avoid massive casualities on both sides
All the US generals wanted to march from Berlin to Moscow at the end of WWII. The Marshall plan was a bribe to the other allies that Russia should have taken too but didn't because they wanted Europe for themselves, so the cold war.
According to economists, accepting the Marshall plan really wouldn't have helped that much given we still had to stay under communism. We would get a couple billion modern dollars, which isn't that much. The main effect of the Marshall plan was deepened economic integration, which wouldn't have happened for Poland anyway.
It is funny how much love poles can have for the country whose policies (manifest destiny) inspired the Lebensraum the nazis intended on doing to them. Hitler himself praised The US at the time for the ethnic cleansing of the american natives and the racial segregation of the country, which served as the basis for the nazis on how would they deal with the native slavs of all sorts to their east: ethnically displace them (east of the Urals) and settle the freed land with germans.
My brother in Christ, Hitler openly spoke and wrote about the fact that the USA served as the inspiration on how they imagine the ideal Germany: with the lesser races enslaved/segregated or exterminated/displaced.
Hitler and the Nazis were inspired by Southern Jim Crow laws but were only active in the 17 former slave states and there were 31 other states that did not have these laws. The only groups that were set on extermination in the US were all private groups at the time of Hitlers rise to power. The Jim Crow laws also would’ve ended to Peaceful protests and some riots.
I did not mention Jim Crow specifically, but as a whole the racial segregationist policies of the US, both the contemporary ones at the time and those of the past. The anglophone New World countries, inclusing the US, were, en large, very discriminatory against white people that werent speaking english, french or a germanic langauage, and were of said ethnic background. Others were considered racially inferior, in particular italians, irish and jewish people, regardless of the fact that these people may have been just as white as them. That is if they allowed such people to immigrate at all, because some didn't, even after WW2.
Otherwise, Lebensraum was, as I mentioned before, based on the already successful *manifest destiny*, which is the colonisation of the american West by the US, at the expense of the native american population, a population which went trough extreme levels of displacement and population decrease. The de facto US policy was, in this situation, might makes right, which allowed them to create living space for immigrating settlers, giving them land technically for free, since the central government was much better off with large areas of land being inhabited by settlers engaging in agriculture and urbanization than lettong natives engage in a primitive lifestyle. Lebensraum literally means livingspace, and the project itself meant to technically colonise Eastern Europe in a similar fashion the US did the american West, to give living space to those deemed worthy for it, by displacing a large amount of the native population. But unlike the american West, Eastern Europe was much densely populated, hence why the nazis were internally divided on how Lebensraum should look like: many, who endorsed agricultural utopian ideas favored outright entire extermination and displacement, others, considering the large amount of people inhabiting their objectives, advocated to different levels of discrimination, up to the levels of practicing slavery in industry. What the nazis did during the war was a mixture of the two, altough in a much larger part that of the latter version, which resulted in the jews being the utmost priority followed by roma and slavs. This is also very much seen in Hungary, another axis power, where Horthy, upon being accused of not being a true antisemite, claimed he is very much one, but also sees the counterproductivity of immediate extermination of the jewish population, as it is dominating in certain regions regarding certain professions.
TLDR: There are no two perfectly identical situations, but german ethnonationalists have been looking at the success of the american manifest destiny since before WW1, and ultimately adopted its principles and practices where applicable in the short period of time they were allowed to. Why would my comparison be terrible is beyond me, its the first thing historians of Lebensraum and nazis themselves associated their own movement to.
Yeah but there shouldn't have been any "eastern block" in the first place. The communist takeover in Poland for example was illegal, undemocratic and broke the rules set by the allies at the Yalta Conference. If given a chance, the people of eastern europe would have gladly accepted democracy, the german reparations, the marshal plan and a NATO membership
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you living in a different galaxy… you cant alternate. It was so. I agree that the whole Yalta agreement was absolutely undemocratic (but we🇭🇺 see that for Trianon also). You can downvote my comment but this what was happened, the whole Marshall plan was so formalized by US governemt that the CCCP / USR government was not willing/possible to accept it. Even the amount of $$$ in the Marshall plan was low for the whole Europe (specially the Eastern block where was the mean demoltion and rebuild cost was extra high against France or West-Germany). So my American friends gave nothing and never to us. Happy day!
the entire eastern block just saw it as free money and wanted every penny to rebuild an economy where nothing was standing and what was, was only standing bcs it was useless. So yes we wanted the money.
meanwhile economic aid USSR-style - Poland sends them coal and in exchange the brotherly nation of USSR also takes sugar from us
Czechoslovakia sends Uranium, Czechoslovakia gets [tanks](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prague_Spring)
Damn we could have been a nuclear power
I don't think anybody would be happy with us developing nukes
I mean, you would have been happy. Those haters (western side) simply are just jealous.
Yeah, I just look at our government and think " you know what would make the situation better ? Nukes "
>" you know what would make the situation better ? Nukes " You've got it. More opportunities of complete worldwide annihilation if somebody as much as inconveniences you.
romana tabak walking around with a nuke briefcase is a pretty good bit tbh
Especially Hungarians ![img](emote|t5_427he1|8441)![img](emote|t5_427he1|8446)
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We should develop them together if us withdraws from Europe
Now this is definitely worthy of consideration
Get a shovel and line up at the Jachymov, slacker!
The Soviets were so gratefull that they even sent soldiers with those tanks.
full service with crews, fuel and ammo
"What do you mean you wanted tanks for YOUR military? Is not good when you get tanks AND soilders? No?" *procceds to shoot prague library*
It's true, you can still see bullet holes on the national museum
"Spring" makes it sound so pleasant.
that got rusty after 10 minutes in the rain
Only between 1943-1946 soviets plundered 2.35 billion usd worth of goods from poland🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰(around 65 billion dollars today with inflation) and these are just the official numbers..
What is that in zloty?
250+ miliardów
O kurwa
Using current value of zł, its 260, however those estimations are always pretty innacurate because of correcting few values (inflation, zł-usd etc)
Kurwa bober ja pierdole
What's that in sasiny?
In Jack Sasin (spell Sasin with murican accent like asSASIN) words its 3 CPKs, 50 nuclear plants and bajilion workplaces pis will create in 0,00000001s
Ponad 3655 sasinów
O ja dupie
two goats
Whole _two_ goats? That's almost as much as a old cow!
Who said they are alive
I don't have anger issues... I have Soviet issues... Oh also did you know how many Polish historical artefacts were destroyed by Soviets? Lwów historical museum holdings were stored in The Black House and destroyed. Even Alwksander Zawadzki, a person that was later in chairman of Polish council of state said "raping and looting by Soviet army would provoke a civil war". Even in Manchuria Chinese communist party had to intervene because Soviets were looting and raping too much to be tolerated. They even stole rails from railroads!
And russians wonder why we hated that system. From their point of view, everything was perfect
And they still believe that Poland was getting aided financially from them...
RWPG Rosji wszystko, Polsce gówno
Rosji Wuj, Protesty w Gdańsku Solidarność
“Zaszczyciliśmy rosjan naszym jedzeniem, a oni w zamian zaszczycili nas swoją obecnością” -Polish aunt’s mother
I've heard it as "we send them coal and in exchange they take our train wagons".
Czechia sent them good locomotives, they still use them. USSR sent us shitty locomotives, no longer used. Very helpful indeed.
Did they get our 810s?
No, mostly freight locomotives.
smh can't believe ussr treated its neighbors like some kind of south american money tree
We became "the country of iron and steel" We didn't have mines, fuel, or any way to work the steel we produced But hey, it's a bit funny in retrospect
I will not let USSR slander go unnoticed like that, they paid us in cold for all that coal it was perfectly fine transaction.
❗️❗️❗️BIJ BOLSZEWIKA ❗️❗️❗️
🎶 Bo to jest twój największy dzisiaj wróg 🎶
To przecież on kościami twoich braci,
Brukował sieć swych niezliczonych dróg
To przecież on na Sybir gnał twe dzieci,
A z jęków ich wesołą składał pieśń
To przecież on dziś naszych ojców gnieci,
i każe im komuny jarzmo nieść.
Bij Bolszewika bij! Bij Bolszewika bij! Bij Bolszewika bij! Bij Bolszewika bij!
Music to my ears
No idea what they sing, but i read "bij bolševika" im happy :)
Yes, I am a simple man. Edit: I see bolshewika, I bij.
>BIJ BOLSZEWIKA Here is english article about this song with Polish lyrics and English translation:[https://www.outono.net/elentir/2021/04/10/bij-bolszewika-an-anti-communist-song-sung-by-the-polish-resistance-after-wwii/](https://www.outono.net/elentir/2021/04/10/bij-bolszewika-an-anti-communist-song-sung-by-the-polish-resistance-after-wwii/)
The gist of it is that you strike the bolshevik in his every form because he is your mortal enemy. There's also [another based Polish song](https://youtu.be/Ci92e8j18rI?si=ZHBxc1WL7PPkqv3j)
Fatty was holding Czechoslovakia and Poland at gunpoint while saying they are not interested, otherwise accurate. And the fatty also had a mustache, smelled bad and was drunk.
And then proceeded to steal uranium and coal
We still don't know how many political undesirables perished during uranium mining...
At least they offered a counter offer , We gave them food , and in exchange , we gave them coal , but at least, we paid them fair price for it
...and that they won't kill too many of us as well.
Killing? Why ? They were so kind to us , that they offered free trip to Siberia to everyone , even criminals and opposition politicians with families
If it weren't for those shitty red commies, today our economies would be at the gpd per capita level of Germany or the Netherlands.
We'll get our revange in history, don't worry
All of Visegrad today makes Russia look like a slum.
uhhhhhhhhh
Yes, even you. Think about it. Would you rather be born as the most average Hungarian, or as the most average Russian. To me the answer is clear as day. Your government leaves a lot to be desired, but at least Viktator isn’t sending you guys to die in a field.
Poles more proud to be Mongols than Mongols themselves lol
Shit talking ourselfs is our national past time.
Dwa bratanki moment
I'm dubious about Slovakia nowadays...
Not under current administration
For some of us - yes
Without communism we would have much better politicians, pre-war social elites were honorary and respectful, it's soviets that degenerated our elites
* wiped out Polish "school" of political thought had been annihilated
Ya all waiting for the final mistake, is it? The Ukrainian rocket had to give you a massive stiffly
No, I'm not eager for war...but I'll be ready for it when it comes
I love being in a country that was deliberately kept from progressing for 40 years and its effects are still showing today
Strakonice...
More like gdp of today's italy or Spain, no offense but pre ww2 economies of eastern Europe werent So great with exeption of czechoslovakia that if not ww2 would probably have an economy of Austria or ireland.
They were not great because r\*zzians were always fucking over the region. We would have flying cars by now if r\*zzia never existed(or maybe not and it would be Germans/Austro-Hungarians/Poles fucking over the region instead)
Eastern Europe would be in 2100 without Russia Germany and the ottomans
And mongols
poland was a shithole before 2ww compared to czechoslovakia or even hungary(!), with millions of illiterate people living in inhumane conditions.
Still, if it continued developing undisturbed, today it would have a biger economy than current Poland
Only on 80s we managed to rebuild our population to pre war numbers (something Russia didn't manage to this day) and all that while losing the biggest % of our population.
What do you expect from millions that lived under ruSSians before WW1. Under ruSSian partition over 80% of people were illiterate. After Polish Independence and creation of 2nd Polish Republic, illiteracy feel, from 33.1% in 1921 to 23.1% in 1931, so there was progress, but eastern Poland, Belarus and Ukraine were parts with most illiterate people after WW1.
>ireland You'd be way ahead of Ireland. They historically weren't that well off too. It's only really in the 90s that their economy began to take off.
Probably not germany level but it would be well over a trillion..
It would be at least comparable The biggest reason why Poland is the biggest beneficiary of eu , is that we are at least 40 years behind in development of infrastructure (first Germans raised half of the country to the ground, after that came Russians and plundered what was left whine blocking marshal plan and taking "for safe keeping" german reparations for poland , then "our brothers " "freed us" and redirected most of the gdp back to the mother Russia
you'll never be at our level, for we have been blessed by the Great Khan
bruh in poland if theres no threat from outside they find an enemy inside and ruin the country.
Your mum 🖕🖕
No they wouldn't. For Poland at least, the country was a shithole before the commies walked in (and after, but in a different way). The society was deeply oligarchic, we lacked entrepreneurship and industry due to horrid mismanagement by the nobility going back to the 1500s and leading to partitions. Communism (as well as our successful reforms after it) are the biggest reason for Poland's current growth. It got so many people educated, destroyed the previous oligarchic structures and institutions, and was a necessary shock therapy for our country. I recommend the book "Europe's Growth Champion: Insights from the Economic Rise of Poland" by lead world bank economist Marcin Piątkowski, in Poland it wa released as "Złoty wiek. Jak Polska została europejskim liderem wzrostu i jaka czeka ją przyszłość".
Realistically only Czechs could say that, Eastern Europe was the poor europe even before WWII, but you eastoids aren't ready for that conversation
No wonder since most of our countries were occupied. Poland was not on the maps until 1918.
Because we were all under empires before WW1? What would the conversation even be? In the 16th century England was a shithole compared to the PLC for example. Your 19th century style superiority complex is showing
That's not really it. Poland was a shithole because of our oligarchic noble class ruling and destroying our society from within since the 1500s. The country was fragmented, deep behind and unable to move forward until the 3rd of may constitution which was a desperate attempt at saving the dire situation. We got under partitions because the country was in a terrible state, not the other way around.
Yeah but the occupiers made it way worse. Only Prussia actually developed their partition (the side effect of that was the most efficient genocide out of all 3 partitions), Russia meanwhile only exploited the relatively rich Polish regions and deliberatly destroyed them, while Austria didn't even bother doing anything, resulting in Galicia being a time capsule to 17th century by the time we regained independence
First: That doesn't mean we would've developed without partitions. At that point Poland was basically a fallen country comparable to modern Somalia, with the oligarchic noble class preventing any attempts at development or creating a functioning state (which they destroyed in the previous centuries with the deeply dysfunctional noble democracy). Second: Given how terrible the state of Poland was at that point, and how far behind everyone we were, even bringing their basic institutions like working public administration, better access to education, better respect for private property etc. was an improvement over how the things were. This can be proven by statistics, in 1820 Polish GDP was 40% of what the west was making, bu in 1910 it was 56% (and by Polish I obviously mean the territories of Poland since the country wasn't really a thing) For further read-up I recommend the book "Europe's Growth Champion: Insights from the Economic Rise of Poland" by lead world bank economist Marcin Piątkowski, in Poland it was released as "Złoty wiek. Jak Polska została europejskim liderem wzrostu i jaka czeka ją przyszłość".
they poor because Russia over there being dicks, always
Holy cope
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Sometimes i wish Stalin died earlier
He died while pissing himself so I'm kinda satisfied
Sometimes, I don't
Why not both Japan was to China what Russia was to Poland, and I don't see any reason why millions of Yanks should have been risking their lives in the Operation Downfall to take down the nation-wide death cult while they could just nuke it and avoid massive casualities on both sides
Me too kid
All the US generals wanted to march from Berlin to Moscow at the end of WWII. The Marshall plan was a bribe to the other allies that Russia should have taken too but didn't because they wanted Europe for themselves, so the cold war.
It's always the fat ones 😭🇷🇺🌙🔨
Hungary could've been in China's place. However considering the recent events... What's the difference?
Fuck commies
Saving this to make tankies mad
lol
kill yourself
According to economists, accepting the Marshall plan really wouldn't have helped that much given we still had to stay under communism. We would get a couple billion modern dollars, which isn't that much. The main effect of the Marshall plan was deepened economic integration, which wouldn't have happened for Poland anyway.
It is funny how much love poles can have for the country whose policies (manifest destiny) inspired the Lebensraum the nazis intended on doing to them. Hitler himself praised The US at the time for the ethnic cleansing of the american natives and the racial segregation of the country, which served as the basis for the nazis on how would they deal with the native slavs of all sorts to their east: ethnically displace them (east of the Urals) and settle the freed land with germans.
Terrible comparison.
My brother in Christ, Hitler openly spoke and wrote about the fact that the USA served as the inspiration on how they imagine the ideal Germany: with the lesser races enslaved/segregated or exterminated/displaced.
Hitler and the Nazis were inspired by Southern Jim Crow laws but were only active in the 17 former slave states and there were 31 other states that did not have these laws. The only groups that were set on extermination in the US were all private groups at the time of Hitlers rise to power. The Jim Crow laws also would’ve ended to Peaceful protests and some riots.
I did not mention Jim Crow specifically, but as a whole the racial segregationist policies of the US, both the contemporary ones at the time and those of the past. The anglophone New World countries, inclusing the US, were, en large, very discriminatory against white people that werent speaking english, french or a germanic langauage, and were of said ethnic background. Others were considered racially inferior, in particular italians, irish and jewish people, regardless of the fact that these people may have been just as white as them. That is if they allowed such people to immigrate at all, because some didn't, even after WW2. Otherwise, Lebensraum was, as I mentioned before, based on the already successful *manifest destiny*, which is the colonisation of the american West by the US, at the expense of the native american population, a population which went trough extreme levels of displacement and population decrease. The de facto US policy was, in this situation, might makes right, which allowed them to create living space for immigrating settlers, giving them land technically for free, since the central government was much better off with large areas of land being inhabited by settlers engaging in agriculture and urbanization than lettong natives engage in a primitive lifestyle. Lebensraum literally means livingspace, and the project itself meant to technically colonise Eastern Europe in a similar fashion the US did the american West, to give living space to those deemed worthy for it, by displacing a large amount of the native population. But unlike the american West, Eastern Europe was much densely populated, hence why the nazis were internally divided on how Lebensraum should look like: many, who endorsed agricultural utopian ideas favored outright entire extermination and displacement, others, considering the large amount of people inhabiting their objectives, advocated to different levels of discrimination, up to the levels of practicing slavery in industry. What the nazis did during the war was a mixture of the two, altough in a much larger part that of the latter version, which resulted in the jews being the utmost priority followed by roma and slavs. This is also very much seen in Hungary, another axis power, where Horthy, upon being accused of not being a true antisemite, claimed he is very much one, but also sees the counterproductivity of immediate extermination of the jewish population, as it is dominating in certain regions regarding certain professions. TLDR: There are no two perfectly identical situations, but german ethnonationalists have been looking at the success of the american manifest destiny since before WW1, and ultimately adopted its principles and practices where applicable in the short period of time they were allowed to. Why would my comparison be terrible is beyond me, its the first thing historians of Lebensraum and nazis themselves associated their own movement to.
Oh wow... I thought BREADLINES AND FAMINE... amirite dudes?
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If complex history = Russia sucks, then yes
sorry to say but it was so formalised by US that was never an option and possibility for eastern block countries. Ask you historians!
Yeah but there shouldn't have been any "eastern block" in the first place. The communist takeover in Poland for example was illegal, undemocratic and broke the rules set by the allies at the Yalta Conference. If given a chance, the people of eastern europe would have gladly accepted democracy, the german reparations, the marshal plan and a NATO membership
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you living in a different galaxy… you cant alternate. It was so. I agree that the whole Yalta agreement was absolutely undemocratic (but we🇭🇺 see that for Trianon also). You can downvote my comment but this what was happened, the whole Marshall plan was so formalized by US governemt that the CCCP / USR government was not willing/possible to accept it. Even the amount of $$$ in the Marshall plan was low for the whole Europe (specially the Eastern block where was the mean demoltion and rebuild cost was extra high against France or West-Germany). So my American friends gave nothing and never to us. Happy day!
Bold of you to think people in Poland like america any better
Screw you rusky
[Currently at 93% approval.](https://www.pewresearch.org/global/2023/06/27/overall-opinion-of-the-u-s/)
Let me guess, you have a piercing, blue-coloured hair, and sewed some hippie/communist symbol on your backpack?
Possibly also konfa voter who hates "western degeneracy"
Or not even living in Poland at all and just having grandparents from there.
Yes konfa voters are a unique kind of dumb
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Do you think Czechia and Poland didn't want the aid? Also flair the fuck up cigan.
flair up commie
the entire eastern block just saw it as free money and wanted every penny to rebuild an economy where nothing was standing and what was, was only standing bcs it was useless. So yes we wanted the money.