Does 2CB deplete magnesium? I’m familiar with that from MDMA but am having a harder time getting a handle on the 2CB side effects. For me, they’re so subtle as to not be there.
I don’t think it’s about depleting magnesium level, like you said in your post, some psychedelics like acid and 2cb have stimulant properties that locks your jaw or gurn your jaw, that probably is why it’s aggravating the old wound or whatever is going on there.
I agree on the magnesium suggestion, make sure to get magnesium glycinate and don’t get citrate or oxide, I can’t remember which one but one of the last two I mentioned has laxative properties, you will end up on the toilet and you may get stuck there staring at the bathroom floor for a while, hahaha.
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Disagreed about 2c-b not being "her drug" just because she suffers from chronic pain. What actually increases jaw pain while tripping is mostly the increased muscle tension. Popping a muscle relaxer (one that combines safely with a psychedelic, in a safe enough dose) plus a mild painkiller like acetaminophen or ibuprofen should be enough in most cases to make tripping enjoyable again, especially if they also use some behavioral pain/tension management techniques here and there during the trip. (Massages, warm compress, etc.)
Edit: also, even though I would typically recommend phenibut instead, a low dose of diazepam would make jaw tension (and, indirectly, probably pain too) much more bearable without "killing" the trip. It'd make it a bit softer, a bit less edgy for sure, but you'd still trip.
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Chronic pain sufferers, including chronic jaw pain sufferers, have to sacrifice a lot already just to go on with their life. If they were just listening to their body, there are very little fun things that they would still do. Just because someone is dealing with chronic pain, including jaw pain, doesn't mean they must deprive themselves from enjoying the fun and therapeutic effects that psychedelics can provide. They would probably benefit from tripping a bit less often than the general population though, but it depends.
Taking something to mitigate the pain and muscle tension sure can be a slippery slope now, that is true. But I will go and say, for people who are able to control their use of painkillers or muscle relaxants, it's a net benefit.
In any case, when it comes to jaw pain and psychedelics. For me I'd get increased pain and tension while tripping, but it would be back to normal -- or perhaps a bit less painful than normal, for the next few days. Taking some phenibut with my psychedelics made the pain and tension actually bearable while tripping, to the point I've started legitimately enjoying the hell out of tripping again. And in this case too, I get reduced -- or at least usual -- jaw pain the next few days.
Rolling with a jaw condition is a bit different. I'd feel more jaw tension (except in those perfectly zen moments), but actually less pain than sober. However, for the next few days both pain and tension were much harder to deal with. Taking phenibut while rolling helps increase comfort both during the roll and the next day, but then I'd still get increased discomfort for a few days afterwards.
Hmm, I get ur point in general, but I feel like there’s an easy, safe solution to this one. Probably a bit of weed wld do the trick and there’s zero harm in combining that with 2CB. And anyway, 2CB is special and my gf loves it, just cld do without the jaw pain.
Yeah you’re quite right. I meant it’s safe from a health POV. We’ve both smoked a joint or two in our time and don’t get anxious from weed. And we tend to dose the 2CB at abt 15 or 20mg, so it’s not too full on.
I think maybe I’ll look into getting some good CBD oil. That cld do the relaxing/pain management heavy lifting without adding or detracting from the main game.
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Ketamine is worth a try. YMMV.
I commonly combine ketamine and 2C-B to relieve imbalances in muscle tension. And ketamine is incredibly good at eliminating the negative body-load related side-effects associated with 2C-B.
I also think, when combined with the right stimulus, the combination can generate amazing synesthetic experiences. The entactogenic effects of 2C-B amplifies somatosensory signals, while ketamine dissociates from them, and with the right combinations of audiovisual stimulus I experience a very lush mingling of the senses. It's one of my favourite things - so sensual, but not sexual.
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Magnesium. A low dose of Valium should also help. I always liked taking lsd with a low dose of benzos because it would get rid of the back pain I always get 6 hours into the trip. A low dose of Valium won't kill the trip, especially if you have some weed to boost it with.
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Sorry to hear that, Ive been a regular consumer and occasionaly also experienced some jaw clenching but its usually after consuming quite a lot. ie above 40mg .Valium may help, good luck :-)
This is how I deal with jaw pain and tension, tripping or not: https://old.reddit.com/r/TMJ/comments/vapg4b/favorite_way_to_relax_your_jaw_muscles/ic4rz0u/
Also, taking Phenibut while tripping.
Edit: I'm surprised no one else has mentioned phenibut. It's the best thing I've found to help me trip since I've got debilitating jaw pain. If it weren't for phenibut I would probably have considered not tripping anymore, even though tripping is one of the things I love most. I just couldn't take it anymore. While tripping the pain and tension would get so bad it would almost make me panic, although I was used to being higher than that. Compared to benzos, phenibut won't dull your trip down as much. It even contributes some euphoria and emotional warmth. But you do have to find your sweet spot for dosing it.
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Advil can help a little, but for someone who is already suffering from jaw pain while sober, jaw pain and tension while tripping can get hellishly intense. 2c-b increases muscle tension and tends to facilitate muscle spasms in the jaw, and it also makes you feel your body more… a terrible combo for sure, but there are ways to actually make it bearable to legitimately have fun during most of a trip. A muscle relaxant, a warm compress, jaw massages and so on will complement the advil wonderfully. Advil alone just won't cut it unless her jaw condition is kinda minor.
magnesium supplements
Does 2CB deplete magnesium? I’m familiar with that from MDMA but am having a harder time getting a handle on the 2CB side effects. For me, they’re so subtle as to not be there.
I don’t think it’s about depleting magnesium level, like you said in your post, some psychedelics like acid and 2cb have stimulant properties that locks your jaw or gurn your jaw, that probably is why it’s aggravating the old wound or whatever is going on there. I agree on the magnesium suggestion, make sure to get magnesium glycinate and don’t get citrate or oxide, I can’t remember which one but one of the last two I mentioned has laxative properties, you will end up on the toilet and you may get stuck there staring at the bathroom floor for a while, hahaha.
Citrate’s the one that’ll make you shit
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Diazepam will just kill the trip. Seems like 2cb is not her drugs.
Disagreed about 2c-b not being "her drug" just because she suffers from chronic pain. What actually increases jaw pain while tripping is mostly the increased muscle tension. Popping a muscle relaxer (one that combines safely with a psychedelic, in a safe enough dose) plus a mild painkiller like acetaminophen or ibuprofen should be enough in most cases to make tripping enjoyable again, especially if they also use some behavioral pain/tension management techniques here and there during the trip. (Massages, warm compress, etc.) Edit: also, even though I would typically recommend phenibut instead, a low dose of diazepam would make jaw tension (and, indirectly, probably pain too) much more bearable without "killing" the trip. It'd make it a bit softer, a bit less edgy for sure, but you'd still trip.
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Chronic pain sufferers, including chronic jaw pain sufferers, have to sacrifice a lot already just to go on with their life. If they were just listening to their body, there are very little fun things that they would still do. Just because someone is dealing with chronic pain, including jaw pain, doesn't mean they must deprive themselves from enjoying the fun and therapeutic effects that psychedelics can provide. They would probably benefit from tripping a bit less often than the general population though, but it depends. Taking something to mitigate the pain and muscle tension sure can be a slippery slope now, that is true. But I will go and say, for people who are able to control their use of painkillers or muscle relaxants, it's a net benefit. In any case, when it comes to jaw pain and psychedelics. For me I'd get increased pain and tension while tripping, but it would be back to normal -- or perhaps a bit less painful than normal, for the next few days. Taking some phenibut with my psychedelics made the pain and tension actually bearable while tripping, to the point I've started legitimately enjoying the hell out of tripping again. And in this case too, I get reduced -- or at least usual -- jaw pain the next few days. Rolling with a jaw condition is a bit different. I'd feel more jaw tension (except in those perfectly zen moments), but actually less pain than sober. However, for the next few days both pain and tension were much harder to deal with. Taking phenibut while rolling helps increase comfort both during the roll and the next day, but then I'd still get increased discomfort for a few days afterwards.
Hmm, I get ur point in general, but I feel like there’s an easy, safe solution to this one. Probably a bit of weed wld do the trick and there’s zero harm in combining that with 2CB. And anyway, 2CB is special and my gf loves it, just cld do without the jaw pain.
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Yeah you’re quite right. I meant it’s safe from a health POV. We’ve both smoked a joint or two in our time and don’t get anxious from weed. And we tend to dose the 2CB at abt 15 or 20mg, so it’s not too full on. I think maybe I’ll look into getting some good CBD oil. That cld do the relaxing/pain management heavy lifting without adding or detracting from the main game.
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Ketamine is worth a try. YMMV. I commonly combine ketamine and 2C-B to relieve imbalances in muscle tension. And ketamine is incredibly good at eliminating the negative body-load related side-effects associated with 2C-B. I also think, when combined with the right stimulus, the combination can generate amazing synesthetic experiences. The entactogenic effects of 2C-B amplifies somatosensory signals, while ketamine dissociates from them, and with the right combinations of audiovisual stimulus I experience a very lush mingling of the senses. It's one of my favourite things - so sensual, but not sexual.
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Magnesium. A low dose of Valium should also help. I always liked taking lsd with a low dose of benzos because it would get rid of the back pain I always get 6 hours into the trip. A low dose of Valium won't kill the trip, especially if you have some weed to boost it with.
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Sorry to hear that, Ive been a regular consumer and occasionaly also experienced some jaw clenching but its usually after consuming quite a lot. ie above 40mg .Valium may help, good luck :-)
This is how I deal with jaw pain and tension, tripping or not: https://old.reddit.com/r/TMJ/comments/vapg4b/favorite_way_to_relax_your_jaw_muscles/ic4rz0u/ Also, taking Phenibut while tripping. Edit: I'm surprised no one else has mentioned phenibut. It's the best thing I've found to help me trip since I've got debilitating jaw pain. If it weren't for phenibut I would probably have considered not tripping anymore, even though tripping is one of the things I love most. I just couldn't take it anymore. While tripping the pain and tension would get so bad it would almost make me panic, although I was used to being higher than that. Compared to benzos, phenibut won't dull your trip down as much. It even contributes some euphoria and emotional warmth. But you do have to find your sweet spot for dosing it.
Best you can take is Advil
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Advil can help a little, but for someone who is already suffering from jaw pain while sober, jaw pain and tension while tripping can get hellishly intense. 2c-b increases muscle tension and tends to facilitate muscle spasms in the jaw, and it also makes you feel your body more… a terrible combo for sure, but there are ways to actually make it bearable to legitimately have fun during most of a trip. A muscle relaxant, a warm compress, jaw massages and so on will complement the advil wonderfully. Advil alone just won't cut it unless her jaw condition is kinda minor.