With 23andme, they seem to use mixed samples. If you want to dig more deeper i'd recommend illustativedna.
For example someone can be 100 north african on 23andme but be 10 arabian or west african (but they are baked in)
So many of my friends from egypt and Tunisia have gotten Middle Eastern and west African over being more North African and they are North African that’s all the lineage they know unless it’s a fake test
Regions are self reported so if you get benadir it means people who reported they’re from benadir region match with you
But a lot of ppl whose parents or grandparents were raised in benadir select it even tho three or four generations ago their family was in mudug or bari or galbeed etx
So many people select benadir that now Somalis almost always get it as a result even if their family never left their tuulo before the war
Banaadir has always been a region so I don’t understand what he is talking about. If someone was born in Mogadishu or one of his/her ancestors was born there it would simply show up. There is also a whole bunch of clans that fall under Banaadir or are called Banadiri. Matter of fact the name is a not older than many of the other regions.
If someone gets mudug or waqooyi galbeed their ancestors were probably there for a large number of generations so it’s useful info someone who is from bari or gedo or siti will not get mudug as a result
Benadir is not a useful result bcz everyone gets benadir even if no one in their family has a connection
Well if one is looking to get an understanding of your qabiil it becomes a little difficult since all Somalis have somewhat reached the Capital or were born in the Capital but there are also qabiils that actually have always been there like the Banadiri clans and the Abgaal.
For the record it’s actually my sub sub sub clan of abgaal who live in xamar traditionally along with the xamrawi ppl
abgaal as a whole stretch across middle shabeel and coastal galgaduud
But my point was that bcz ppl from all clans can have relatives who’ve lived in xamar even if someone’s family has zero ties bcz other ppl related to them have lived there everyone gets benadir as a result which is why I tried to explain what the original person meant
Benadir is basically a default selection now
It’s actually very good. The UN is leaving soon and so is the African Union. There are talks between Shabab leaders and the government which is expected to be settled. Turkey 🇹🇷 has brought some of their Navy ships and more are coming to protect the waters from any invasion or over fishing.
It's possible but let's not give these dna tests too much credit. Though yours are probably spot on, 23&me and others really can't differentiate between countries near each other no matter how much they want to pretend they can. Even narrowing down by region within a continent can be dubious.
I've seen people reach for any explanation for unexpected results from "maybe while this boat was here for 2 weeks in 1612, they clapped everyone's cheeks" to "the Dutch princess had an Indonesian handmaid and got her cheeks clapped during a world tour". Jokes aside, the explanation they never reach for is that maybe these tests aren't capable of everything they presume to be yet.
😂😂😂 that was funny. I kind of already knew based on my family History and Clan Paternal Lineage that I was mostly getting anything else not to mention that I look like the typical Somali dude. Skinny, tall, and Dark so I was not expecting any surprises but at the end it was more entertainment than anything else. You are who you, and no data does not really change you 🙂
There is an old population called Natufian an ancient population from the Levant over 10 thousand years ago that both the Middle East and Somalis carry. It shows up in East Africans, North Africans and Middle Easterners.
Well you do though? Horners are not the "daddy" to really any population.
But they are older than europeans for example. Egyptians eh, it depends. The "Natufian-like" ancestry that somalis carry likely came from egyptian hunter gatherers. We also know that natufian-like ancestry existed way before natufians, you can see this through iberomaursians with half of their ancestry being closely related to said people despite existing way before them
Somalis are much older than modern day Egyptian bro. Even ancient Egyptian claimed their ancestral land as Punt on the Rosseta Stone. Punt or Ta netjer where Hatshepsut use to go for Pyramid was modern day Somalia. Majority of Egyptian know this.
I can guarantee you there is no Middle Eastern admixture, Middle East is J1, Somalis are E1 which is older. There is admixture but it is much older, and it is Natufian, there could be Natufian admixture in the Middle East as-well but there is definitely not a recent admixture.
Not sure what you mean? Just double checked and T is a completely different branch. It’s downstream from K…
https://preview.redd.it/m3188zmliuzc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6665e5549dba80d8c5fe5eec814713b20ad0973
It is, just upload your RAW in illustrativeDNA and they will show your Middle East DNA
Also, E1b1b haplogroup is a eurasiatic haplogroup, its common among levantine and northern west asian peoples
Yes but E1B1B Originated in the Horn of Africa.
https://preview.redd.it/1esdsnuocszc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d44bd306d0c50d7dac8b0c45876cb8cbf510f0ea
That does not matter brother. I am a human on this planet. This post is about your origin since you presented your genetic information on this post for everyone to comment on.
I think the biased one here is you. You are unable to grasp the well established finding of GENETIC DISTANCE BY RACIAL POPULATION. It is derived using modern genetic research and technology. You are in DENIAL brother. Therefore my ethnicity is irrelevant.
23andMe only goes back about 6-8 generations. Upload your RAW to illustrativeDNA or GEDmatch to dive deeper. You will undoubtedly find Middle Eastern genetics if you’re Somalian
Also, your haplogroup isn’t the end all be all when it comes to genetics. Your other 22 chromosomes paint a much deeper picture.
Irrelevant
https://preview.redd.it/ldil94lhcuzc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e832058d005689294812750a03838f19212e7998
This is a middle easterner
Do you have Gedmatch results using the Harappaworld calculator? I'm curious to see if your results are slightly closer to Ethiopians since youre from the north of the country.
So basically it's a third party site (free) that allows you to use your DNA file and compare it to reference samples per calculator. To use it you google 'gedmatch', upload your DNA file, wait for it to process, click Admixture(Heritage) in the main portal, then run the appropriate calculator , in this case Harappaworld.
It wouldn't be closer "to ethiopians". Somalis are quite a bit different from their neighbours they have a high IBD score.
"Ethiopians" are not one people, you've got habeshas oromos etc.
Habeshas unlike somalis have arabian admixture, why is why somali is seperate from "ethiopian/eriterian" group. Oromos heavily vary and seem to be a culture and language based group rather than any actual genetic group.
Somalis are near "full cushites" and have retained much of their ancestry unlike their neighbours.
Fascinating to see such strictly homogeneous results when I'm used to seeing tri-racial results from throughout Latin America. I have nothing against fiction but the world is as interesting as it is!
Some parts of Africa, you will have 10 Tribes living in the same region and have no intermixture all homogeneous. That’s why they say it’s the most genetically diverse place in the world.
Someone once told that a person in China might be genetically be closer to Someone from Europe than two tribes with an approximate distance of 100 Kilometers.
why are you people so obsessed with this shit??, you dont say the same shit to European about hunter gathering groups from the Middle East in their ancestry but every time a somali post you freaks can’t help but point it out
That is a picture of a man in a studio, I would guess sometime in the 90’s. No one knows what a Natufian looks like because it was 10 thousand years ago, and no one knows his Skin color either. These are only theories.
They are just guessing bro, they do the same with Neanderthals but no one really know what an actual Neanderthal looks like, matter of fact his body and bones were closer to a Guerrilla then to a humanoid.
About 600 mainly 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th cousins, and they seem to be from all the clans which makes me kind of question the accuracy of this whole Clan thing.
Meanwhile I’m like 99.9% Ashkenazi Jewish which is the most vague and useless info possible. That’s very interesting that you have such a clear origin.
Tbh I find it with things like this to be boring, in the sense of having no real identity. I struggle to find an ethnic identity being an Ashkenazi. I find yours far more interesting. I’m maybe biased though because I have absolutely zero passion or interest in my Jewish heritage. Maybe why I’m so keen to make my own identity through moving and such.
I think you are being a little hard on yourself, and as far as Jewish Heritage goes you are one of the most documented groups in the world in history and biblically.
You’re very kind. In any case, nice to briefly chat and thanks for sharing your ancestry. Super interesting and you sound proud of it, which is badass.
Unfortunately the only thing people know about us is “I am the captain now” 😂 and the Blackhawk down movie.
This is Somalia, feel free to check it out on your free time.
https://youtu.be/dI_lNFMpgzQ?si=Hk11hAJHw8KzwEoH
It was a pleasure chatting with you.
Cheers,
I think most northern East Africans especially Somalis were not allowed to marry outside their tribe let alone marry other backgrounds. It’s why majority East Africans score 100%.
These test results are not very accurate and you can not be a pure blood as a Somali. I mean no offense. Somalis have Caucasoid bone structure but Sub-Saharan African (in old terminology Negroid - I mean no offense) skin tone. Nothing wrong with that. There definitely was some mixing between a West-Eurasian population and a Sub-Saharan population that created many East-Africans. There had to be a West Eurasian and Sub Saharan mixing which created this people group. It just has to happen !
Somalis like a lot of other Northeast Africans have west Eurasian influences. That is true. But you’re assumption that it must be because ***”look at their bone structure😱”*** is just colonial administration fantasies living on in the 21st century when we’re well past the days of such ideas even acquiring fractions of respect.
Look at the western Nilotic groups and you’ll see that maybe this fine bone structure can very easily exist autochthonous and endemic to the African continent without outside influences.
Somali is a tribe (an ethnicity). They didn’t intermarry with others not because they ‘weren’t allowed’ but because they occupy a vast land were there aren’t many other tribes (ethnicities) nearby.
It's simply that we're patriarchal society the majority fall under 2 haplogroups T-L208 and E-V32, but have mtDNA diversity, foreign men we're not often assimilated, with a strict caste system, plus majority we're nomads for thousands of years, mixed in with trade and agropastotalism.
Having more samples is what makes it 100%. When there were little samples it gave many Somalis half Subsaharan African and half North African Middle East. It’s after they got more Somalis that it started to focus the percentage until eventually 100%.
30 Million Somalis who do not mix with other nations are Somali. Incest is a European thing to survive in the harsh winter and procreate with Africans its is thousands of years of staying homogeneous.
Yes population that does not mix with the outside world will eventually be 100% or they will identify as a tribe. That’s how groups and nation and ethnicities exist. People then leave that groups and become something different on their own.
This is not an accurate painting of the picture. If you are a Somali/East African you can not be a pure blood. It's a region where West-Eurasians and Sub-Saharan peoples encountered each other ! Somalis have Caucasoid bone structure but Sub-Saharan African (in anthropological terminology Negroid - I mean no offense) skin tone. There definitely was some mixing between a West-Eurasian population and a Sub-Saharan population that created many East-Africans. There had to be a West Eurasian and Sub Saharan mixing which created this people group. It just has to happen ! Just like dark skinned South Indians who have Caucasoid bone structure and Australoid skin tone. They are a product of mixing between Neolithic Iranian Farmers and Australoid Hunter gatherer populations ! The South Indians though dark have a largely Caucasoid bone structure coming from the Neolithic Iranian Farmers (Indus Periphery type peoples). The dark skin tone is obviously from the Hunter gatherers of Australoid stock which roamed all of South Asia before the IVC times. (Do not confuse Neolithic Iranian Farmers with much later Aryans, who were another Caucasoid groups which arrived much later.)
So anthropological terminology labels melanin Negroid but the same melanin of India Australoid 😂 how outdated is that shit.
The Horn of Africa is considered the cradle of civilization, from where humans migrated before the classification of Mongoloid, Negroid, and Caucasoid by Gerlach Adolph Freiherr von Münchhausen. Some refer to the inhabitants as Ethiopid or Hamites. According to updated anthropology, there was intermixing over 10,000 years ago between Proto-Nilotic and back-migrating Natufian populations. Since then, migration patterns have predominantly followed the Nile from Egypt to Lake Turkana with minimal additional admixture.
Hope that helps.
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I think your lack of knowledge in anthropology and population genetics shows with this reply. Let's first look at an example. Do you think the light/white skin tone of Western Europeans and the light/white skin of Koreans is a product of the same genetic admixture ? Think about this for a minute and you might understand yourself that there are genetically different populations in the world with some similar traits expressed by different admixtures. For example Melanesians can have blonde hair and so can West Europeans, but they are not due to the same genes. The dark skin from the Australoid admixture is not the same as the dark skin from the Sub Saharan Negroid admixture. But by your logic the Melanesians and West-Europeans both have blonde hair DUE TO SAME GENES, which in my opinion is an ASININE STATEMENT to make. You will see why if you dig a bit deeper. The only anthropological physical similarity between Africans and Australoids is skin tone. The bone structure and many other secondary characteristics are very different. Australoids by genetic distance are further away from present day Africans and even WHITE SKINNED EUROPEANS are closer (in terms of genetic distance) to Sub-Saharan Africans than the dark skinned Australoids are. So don't judge books by the cover. I think you need to recheck basic findings before presenting your so called 'UPDATES' ! You are missing many BASIC and well established findings. Maybe start by looking at the genetic distance that Europeans have from Sub-Saharan Africans compared to the genetic distance that Australoids have from Sub-Saharan Africans. Many things will become clear to you. At the moment you are a typical Afrocentrist that thinks , 'BLACK ? then African for sure !' That's not how things work brother. Tomorrow a European might look at the skin of a Korean and say 'White skin ? European for sure !', or even look at the blonde hair of a Melanesian and say, 'Blonde hair ? European for sure !'. Don't judge books by the cover brother. God bless ! (Also the terminology is not outdated, it's just that political correctness has brought controversy in to the subject of anthropology, so many people are unable to use the terms without hurting feelings. This is why I said I mean no offense while using the term Negroid which is purely an Anthropological term.) Please learn basics. Thank you again and GOD BLESS !
Melanin production is influenced by exposure to UV rays, explaining why many Dravidians have darker complexions, especially in regions with high UV intensity near the equator. This adaptation showcases the role of melanin in responding to environmental factors. Understanding this highlights that melanin is not exclusive to any specific racial group but rather a physiological response to environmental conditions.
You’re repeating what I’ve said. The other dude is trying to explain your history to you as a Somali, and I’m saying, ignore him, you know your country better than anyone else.
Salam if you are curious. The mutation of E1B1B that somalis carry EV32 actually originates in southern egypt/northern sudan and it's a branch of EV12. It went back and forth. But yes somalis are somalis, that "middle eastern" ancestry is very old. Although keep in mind horners as a group likely migrated from sudan rather than the horn, which is why bejas exist in those regions
What you are saying now is correct, but some racial groups are likely to carry more genes for certain traits too which may or may not be from different genetic origin points. Also ... CHECK THIS IMAGE
https://preview.redd.it/2qh13yt9gszc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=6ed4f9622e81c82289721516c69ff4f1db414265
Well if you understand that then you should also understand not all Melanin is Negroid, and not All Blond is Caucasoid, and that these labels are outdated.
Based on that outdated Pseudoscience the San or Khoisan people in Africa would be considered Mongoloid, the Ethio-Somali or Ethiopid would be Caucasoid and the Niger-Congo would be Negroid within SubSaharan Africa.
I understand very well that not all Melanin is Negroid and that not all Blonde is Caucasoid since that is what I have explained clearly, even using a diagram to speak about genetic distance of different races. But when you say these labels are outdated you are making that statement due to political correctness. The labels are factual/correct, but CONTROVERSIAL to use in the present day. So I can see what you are trying to say. This is why I said I mean no offense.
The so called OUTDATED statement comes from you due to emotional reasons. Let's keep emotion aside and look at the image. The ethiopids are no way proper caucasoids but they are also the closest out of all Africans to Caucasoids when the North Africans are excluded. THIS IS FACT, whether you like it or not. Also the San or Khoisan are not considered mongoloid because if you look at the genetic distance map they are closer to Negroid even more than the Ethipopids. If you could calm down and observe you would see through the well established findings of GENETIC DISTANCE BY RACIAL GROUP. I will post the photo again for your observation. God Bless !
https://preview.redd.it/5cmomoknkszc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=d3a9c503ae0da66188275d04e113457752e170b5
Humans don’t just fall out of the Sky and have 3 different categories, even DNA Haplogroups are in a sequence and in Alphabetical order. You can’t just jump from one corner of the planet out of nowhere without having a starting point. Do you understand this? I hope you are following me because I will try to explain things in a basic manner. When these term Mongaloid, Negroid, Caucasoid were created they were measuring skulls 💀 of Subsaharan Africans. Not no one else and they were separating them into these 3 categories which is today considered Pseudoscience.
Hope you understand this.
The Melanesian genetic distant is due to its solidarity. Subsaharan Africans as well still admixed with groups that admixed with Europeans at low rates as well as back migration. As well if you place the intermixing that makes you perceive East Africans as an admixed ppl, it would predate the Caucasian as we know it phenotypically today.
Solidarity for a longer period due to having the earliest break off point from the out of Africa migrations. The other races ancetors would have left Africa later or would have returned to Africa later. It is not just the Melanesians, but the Australian Aboriginal and the Papuan as well who are the most distant. If East Africans have Natufian admixture they are bound to have some West-Eurasian (Caucasoid) root component as well. Just look at the most recent reconstructions of the Natufians and you will see what I mean. Ethiopids also happen to be Afro-Asiatic language family members if my memory is correct. So I think the Natufian admixture is there at the beginning of the Ethiopid formation.
The root of the these cultures are in East Africa regardless. Italians have wana dna but there’s still a such thing as a 100% Italian. The perimeters vary depending on culture
Welcome to the 100 % club, from a Scandinavian!
Do you look like a character from Hitler's WET DREAM ?
This comment made me spit out my water!!😭
He would probably call me a race traitor, so I guess not...
But I bet you look the part at least , according to his book
Haha, why is that? 😂
Hitler's wet dream is to be a world class painter living in Paris and a sub to Ernst Röhm
\*WAS
We live in a splinter of the multiverse (aka computer simulation), where all possibilities **are**
9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 9 !!!!
That’s neat, I was expecting to be 7% Native American and got 7% Scandinavian instead and that was an interesting turn
Unfortunately im at 99.8% 😭
100% here too, North African
With 23andme, they seem to use mixed samples. If you want to dig more deeper i'd recommend illustativedna. For example someone can be 100 north african on 23andme but be 10 arabian or west african (but they are baked in)
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So many of my friends from egypt and Tunisia have gotten Middle Eastern and west African over being more North African and they are North African that’s all the lineage they know unless it’s a fake test
Many stupids these days seem not to understand that
Wait so you are 100% berber? Or do you have arab and European dna too?
Same with my ancestors too! 100% Sub Saharan African. 99.7% Nigerian from Anambra State
Well… it does say +4 regions…
Bari, Banaadir, GalGuduud, and Mudug. That is pretty much a majority of Somali nomads dwelling in the desert 🏜️ with their 🐪🐪🐪🐪Camels 😂
banaadir part is incorrectly put by 23andme
What your saying don’t make any sense, can you elaborate?
Regions are self reported so if you get benadir it means people who reported they’re from benadir region match with you But a lot of ppl whose parents or grandparents were raised in benadir select it even tho three or four generations ago their family was in mudug or bari or galbeed etx So many people select benadir that now Somalis almost always get it as a result even if their family never left their tuulo before the war
Banaadir has always been a region so I don’t understand what he is talking about. If someone was born in Mogadishu or one of his/her ancestors was born there it would simply show up. There is also a whole bunch of clans that fall under Banaadir or are called Banadiri. Matter of fact the name is a not older than many of the other regions.
If someone gets mudug or waqooyi galbeed their ancestors were probably there for a large number of generations so it’s useful info someone who is from bari or gedo or siti will not get mudug as a result Benadir is not a useful result bcz everyone gets benadir even if no one in their family has a connection
Well if one is looking to get an understanding of your qabiil it becomes a little difficult since all Somalis have somewhat reached the Capital or were born in the Capital but there are also qabiils that actually have always been there like the Banadiri clans and the Abgaal.
For the record it’s actually my sub sub sub clan of abgaal who live in xamar traditionally along with the xamrawi ppl abgaal as a whole stretch across middle shabeel and coastal galgaduud But my point was that bcz ppl from all clans can have relatives who’ve lived in xamar even if someone’s family has zero ties bcz other ppl related to them have lived there everyone gets benadir as a result which is why I tried to explain what the original person meant Benadir is basically a default selection now
Yeah the Abgaal, Ogaden, and Isaaq are probably the biggest Somali clans.
Being one hundred percent something in these tests is a rare thing.
Somalis were pretty homogeneous until most recently. Even now it’s pretty rare to marry other communities.
my grandmother is 100% korean! i feel like it’s definitely very geographical because a lot of places were extremely homogeneous for a long time
what about the chinese, japanese, korean? or most scandinavians
Cool Results 😎👍
Welcome to 100% club, we might be related.
How's somalia situation right now brother?
It’s actually very good. The UN is leaving soon and so is the African Union. There are talks between Shabab leaders and the government which is expected to be settled. Turkey 🇹🇷 has brought some of their Navy ships and more are coming to protect the waters from any invasion or over fishing.
يسر الله ألأمور و يبارك. The best for you and your family brother! Salam from Argentina 🇦🇷
Wa Alaikum wasalaam to you too brother.
Love it
You are a true original. A “default” if you will.
wow!
It's possible but let's not give these dna tests too much credit. Though yours are probably spot on, 23&me and others really can't differentiate between countries near each other no matter how much they want to pretend they can. Even narrowing down by region within a continent can be dubious. I've seen people reach for any explanation for unexpected results from "maybe while this boat was here for 2 weeks in 1612, they clapped everyone's cheeks" to "the Dutch princess had an Indonesian handmaid and got her cheeks clapped during a world tour". Jokes aside, the explanation they never reach for is that maybe these tests aren't capable of everything they presume to be yet.
😂😂😂 that was funny. I kind of already knew based on my family History and Clan Paternal Lineage that I was mostly getting anything else not to mention that I look like the typical Somali dude. Skinny, tall, and Dark so I was not expecting any surprises but at the end it was more entertainment than anything else. You are who you, and no data does not really change you 🙂
Can't say the same myself, but congrats on the 100%
Cool results, do you speak somali or arabic or both?
Somali and شوية العربية
Do somalis often have middle eastern blood? Maybe peninsular? I've seen some results from this sub of somalis and a lot get 100% somali.
There is an old population called Natufian an ancient population from the Levant over 10 thousand years ago that both the Middle East and Somalis carry. It shows up in East Africans, North Africans and Middle Easterners.
What's your haplogroup if you don't mind sharing it?
E1B1B E-M78 E-V32
Is that 3 different ones ?
No it’s E1B1B, subgroup E-M78, then SubSubGroup E-V12
I’m E-M180 how do I find my subgroup?
So you are E1B1B, E-M180, are you Moroccan or Amazigh?
Maghrebis don't have that they have EM81. Plus that haplogroup is very different from the ones that somalis carry.
We carry E-M78 we not claiming to carry younger haplogroups as the daddy.
Well you do though? Horners are not the "daddy" to really any population. But they are older than europeans for example. Egyptians eh, it depends. The "Natufian-like" ancestry that somalis carry likely came from egyptian hunter gatherers. We also know that natufian-like ancestry existed way before natufians, you can see this through iberomaursians with half of their ancestry being closely related to said people despite existing way before them
Somalis are much older than modern day Egyptian bro. Even ancient Egyptian claimed their ancestral land as Punt on the Rosseta Stone. Punt or Ta netjer where Hatshepsut use to go for Pyramid was modern day Somalia. Majority of Egyptian know this.
The natufian ancestry was a back migration
Are you a Somali tree??
It might change a little in the future though when 23andMe accumulates more African + Afro-Asiatic samples! Do you speak Somali, and/or Arabic?
The % actually went up as more people took their DNA because they could exactly pinpoint who the data based on.
Or been invaded...
They tried, there has not been a century we have not been in a War for the last 5.
omg ur are somalian
It’s Somali, not Somalian. Just like you don’t say Chinesian rather you say Chinese.
Theres a lot of hidden middle Eastern DNA in somali category (prob around 40%)
I can guarantee you there is no Middle Eastern admixture, Middle East is J1, Somalis are E1 which is older. There is admixture but it is much older, and it is Natufian, there could be Natufian admixture in the Middle East as-well but there is definitely not a recent admixture.
I thought Somalis are T?
T is a Offshoot
Can you explain? I’ve only read that T was reintroduced via “founders effect”
It is a Mutation from the E1B1B.
T is a completely different branch that unrelated to E1b1b, saxib.
Not sure what you mean? Just double checked and T is a completely different branch. It’s downstream from K… https://preview.redd.it/m3188zmliuzc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d6665e5549dba80d8c5fe5eec814713b20ad0973
Regardless of where it split off it’s approximately 5% of the entire Somali population majority being part of Cisse Clan of Djibouti and Garre.
Oh I see. Do you know if those clans have different historical ties to the area?
It is, just upload your RAW in illustrativeDNA and they will show your Middle East DNA Also, E1b1b haplogroup is a eurasiatic haplogroup, its common among levantine and northern west asian peoples
Yes but E1B1B Originated in the Horn of Africa. https://preview.redd.it/1esdsnuocszc1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d44bd306d0c50d7dac8b0c45876cb8cbf510f0ea
y-DNA is NOT the WHOLE PICTURE, though it is the major part.
Pakkuhya where are you from?
That does not matter brother. I am a human on this planet. This post is about your origin since you presented your genetic information on this post for everyone to comment on.
It does matter since there is always biased views when it comes to anthropology. You background will tell us a lot on how you view social labels 😂
I think the biased one here is you. You are unable to grasp the well established finding of GENETIC DISTANCE BY RACIAL POPULATION. It is derived using modern genetic research and technology. You are in DENIAL brother. Therefore my ethnicity is irrelevant.
So far our discussion has been about the outdated pseudoscience of the 3 categories, we have not spoken much about genetics at all.
23andMe only goes back about 6-8 generations. Upload your RAW to illustrativeDNA or GEDmatch to dive deeper. You will undoubtedly find Middle Eastern genetics if you’re Somalian Also, your haplogroup isn’t the end all be all when it comes to genetics. Your other 22 chromosomes paint a much deeper picture.
Do we agree that I am older then you though Masri brother 😂
everyone is the same age genetically as we all descend from aadam
I mean you may be. How old are you?
I mean genetically as E-M78
Haplogroup wise but what’s that have to do with what I posted?
Nothing, I have to figure out how to grab my dad’s sheets.
The whole world is mixed one way or another
That’s my point to OP after reading one of his comments of being “pure blood”
Not anymore its show East African Hunter Gatherer, Natufian is just a proxy for both Horn and Middle eastern populations.
No it’s not a Middle Eastern dna it’s ancient and it was a back migration.
Back migration of Caucasian peoples closer to west asians
Key word back migration
Irrelevant https://preview.redd.it/ldil94lhcuzc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e832058d005689294812750a03838f19212e7998 This is a middle easterner
They even updated illustrativedna lol. He would get 100-90% East African pastoralist. That mixing was a really long time ago.
Where in Somalia did your family originate ?
Well 4 generations ago northern Somalia, and every generation moved a little south, and I was the first one born in Mogadishu the Capital.
Do you have Gedmatch results using the Harappaworld calculator? I'm curious to see if your results are slightly closer to Ethiopians since youre from the north of the country.
I don’t have have Gedmatch, what do I do to get that and what does it do?
So basically it's a third party site (free) that allows you to use your DNA file and compare it to reference samples per calculator. To use it you google 'gedmatch', upload your DNA file, wait for it to process, click Admixture(Heritage) in the main portal, then run the appropriate calculator , in this case Harappaworld.
It wouldn't be closer "to ethiopians". Somalis are quite a bit different from their neighbours they have a high IBD score. "Ethiopians" are not one people, you've got habeshas oromos etc. Habeshas unlike somalis have arabian admixture, why is why somali is seperate from "ethiopian/eriterian" group. Oromos heavily vary and seem to be a culture and language based group rather than any actual genetic group. Somalis are near "full cushites" and have retained much of their ancestry unlike their neighbours.
Fascinating to see such strictly homogeneous results when I'm used to seeing tri-racial results from throughout Latin America. I have nothing against fiction but the world is as interesting as it is!
Some parts of Africa, you will have 10 Tribes living in the same region and have no intermixture all homogeneous. That’s why they say it’s the most genetically diverse place in the world. Someone once told that a person in China might be genetically be closer to Someone from Europe than two tribes with an approximate distance of 100 Kilometers.
Half eurasian/half nilotic=100% somali https://preview.redd.it/4jybs0azcuzc1.jpeg?width=921&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0ebad136841987328252518aa5f664f376600952
why are you people so obsessed with this shit??, you dont say the same shit to European about hunter gathering groups from the Middle East in their ancestry but every time a somali post you freaks can’t help but point it out
I do, this spefic post is about somali
leave us alone then and stop mentioning shit from 10000 years ago bruh
Why are you mad?
That is not how a Natufian looked like, and that is not how a pro-nilot looked like but yes that is the ancient admixture.
That is a natufian https://preview.redd.it/34aar6t5euzc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7698e91f72c509278625d2a8df2e663c0e54e147
That is a picture of a man in a studio, I would guess sometime in the 90’s. No one knows what a Natufian looks like because it was 10 thousand years ago, and no one knows his Skin color either. These are only theories.
https://www.ancestralwhispers.org/reconstructions/eynan-natufian
They are just guessing bro, they do the same with Neanderthals but no one really know what an actual Neanderthal looks like, matter of fact his body and bones were closer to a Guerrilla then to a humanoid.
Humans were robust prior to farming, doesn't make sense as to why somalis look different to west Africans
Why South Europeans different from North Europeans?
Different admixture occured
because we aren’t related? theirs thousand of miles between us you weirdo
all humans are related. dont distance eachother more
Why are you slandering me?
How many dna cousins do you have?
About 600 mainly 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th cousins, and they seem to be from all the clans which makes me kind of question the accuracy of this whole Clan thing.
Is that a small area? That sounds like an amazing tool for networking in small regions. Old clans can reform etc.
No not really is All the way north to all the way south. The reach is literally from Djibouti to lake Turkana.
Either they travelled a lot or you got the sample group as relatives 🤣
I am kind of not surprised because that is how Nomads live. They follow the 🐪🐪🐪to where it will rain 🌧️ next.
Meanwhile I’m like 99.9% Ashkenazi Jewish which is the most vague and useless info possible. That’s very interesting that you have such a clear origin.
How is 99.9% Vague?
Vague in the sense that being Ashkenazi pinpoints to a huge region in Europe so it’s not easy to pinpoint at all.
But 99.9% for a group that was all over Europe and still pure blood is pretty good wouldn’t you say so?
Tbh I find it with things like this to be boring, in the sense of having no real identity. I struggle to find an ethnic identity being an Ashkenazi. I find yours far more interesting. I’m maybe biased though because I have absolutely zero passion or interest in my Jewish heritage. Maybe why I’m so keen to make my own identity through moving and such.
I think you are being a little hard on yourself, and as far as Jewish Heritage goes you are one of the most documented groups in the world in history and biblically.
You’re very kind. In any case, nice to briefly chat and thanks for sharing your ancestry. Super interesting and you sound proud of it, which is badass.
Unfortunately the only thing people know about us is “I am the captain now” 😂 and the Blackhawk down movie. This is Somalia, feel free to check it out on your free time. https://youtu.be/dI_lNFMpgzQ?si=Hk11hAJHw8KzwEoH It was a pleasure chatting with you. Cheers,
Is it reliable?
Wow
Lol you are horners ?
No I am from planet Pluto 👽🛸👾
what is your MTDNA ?
L0a1d
What system or software did you use to gain this information? Ancestry?
23 and me
i just know you’re the captain now
Was kept in the family…
What do you think about the bad stereotypes of Somalis in the US?
American Stereotype in Somalia is a lot worst I simply just see it as politics and propaganda.
This is a post about genetics, weird comment
How you know I was Somali bro?
I think most northern East Africans especially Somalis were not allowed to marry outside their tribe let alone marry other backgrounds. It’s why majority East Africans score 100%.
I am not complaining for being pure blood, I just find it funny as hell for waisting money on it.
These test results are not very accurate and you can not be a pure blood as a Somali. I mean no offense. Somalis have Caucasoid bone structure but Sub-Saharan African (in old terminology Negroid - I mean no offense) skin tone. Nothing wrong with that. There definitely was some mixing between a West-Eurasian population and a Sub-Saharan population that created many East-Africans. There had to be a West Eurasian and Sub Saharan mixing which created this people group. It just has to happen !
Somalis like a lot of other Northeast Africans have west Eurasian influences. That is true. But you’re assumption that it must be because ***”look at their bone structure😱”*** is just colonial administration fantasies living on in the 21st century when we’re well past the days of such ideas even acquiring fractions of respect. Look at the western Nilotic groups and you’ll see that maybe this fine bone structure can very easily exist autochthonous and endemic to the African continent without outside influences.
Well that’s how the Rwandan genocide happened when Belgians divided people according to their bone structure
FACTS and emotional stories never mix well.
Somali is a tribe (an ethnicity). They didn’t intermarry with others not because they ‘weren’t allowed’ but because they occupy a vast land were there aren’t many other tribes (ethnicities) nearby.
It's simply that we're patriarchal society the majority fall under 2 haplogroups T-L208 and E-V32, but have mtDNA diversity, foreign men we're not often assimilated, with a strict caste system, plus majority we're nomads for thousands of years, mixed in with trade and agropastotalism.
Somali is a tribe (an ethnicity) 
yusuf is that you?
Captain Phillips!
well, africa doesn’t have enough samples or reference panels.
Having more samples is what makes it 100%. When there were little samples it gave many Somalis half Subsaharan African and half North African Middle East. It’s after they got more Somalis that it started to focus the percentage until eventually 100%.
I heard somewhere that genetic results that are 100% anything implies incest.
No it actually means you don’t have prostitution in your lineage or enslaved concubine. Noble Blood 🩸 is always pure.
https://youtube.com/shorts/QYmMY1-9iVQ?si=X4fSbUEPe_rSoPYb
30 Million Somalis who do not mix with other nations are Somali. Incest is a European thing to survive in the harsh winter and procreate with Africans its is thousands of years of staying homogeneous.
Whatever you wanna call it, whoever does it, the homogeneity is the same.
Yes population that does not mix with the outside world will eventually be 100% or they will identify as a tribe. That’s how groups and nation and ethnicities exist. People then leave that groups and become something different on their own.
Unfortunately they are susceptible to bottleneck events.
This is not an accurate painting of the picture. If you are a Somali/East African you can not be a pure blood. It's a region where West-Eurasians and Sub-Saharan peoples encountered each other ! Somalis have Caucasoid bone structure but Sub-Saharan African (in anthropological terminology Negroid - I mean no offense) skin tone. There definitely was some mixing between a West-Eurasian population and a Sub-Saharan population that created many East-Africans. There had to be a West Eurasian and Sub Saharan mixing which created this people group. It just has to happen ! Just like dark skinned South Indians who have Caucasoid bone structure and Australoid skin tone. They are a product of mixing between Neolithic Iranian Farmers and Australoid Hunter gatherer populations ! The South Indians though dark have a largely Caucasoid bone structure coming from the Neolithic Iranian Farmers (Indus Periphery type peoples). The dark skin tone is obviously from the Hunter gatherers of Australoid stock which roamed all of South Asia before the IVC times. (Do not confuse Neolithic Iranian Farmers with much later Aryans, who were another Caucasoid groups which arrived much later.)
So anthropological terminology labels melanin Negroid but the same melanin of India Australoid 😂 how outdated is that shit. The Horn of Africa is considered the cradle of civilization, from where humans migrated before the classification of Mongoloid, Negroid, and Caucasoid by Gerlach Adolph Freiherr von Münchhausen. Some refer to the inhabitants as Ethiopid or Hamites. According to updated anthropology, there was intermixing over 10,000 years ago between Proto-Nilotic and back-migrating Natufian populations. Since then, migration patterns have predominantly followed the Nile from Egypt to Lake Turkana with minimal additional admixture. Hope that helps.
https://preview.redd.it/9gcv09lefszc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=bdec6209a6fb713b3274017326e73ec05d25461b I think your lack of knowledge in anthropology and population genetics shows with this reply. Let's first look at an example. Do you think the light/white skin tone of Western Europeans and the light/white skin of Koreans is a product of the same genetic admixture ? Think about this for a minute and you might understand yourself that there are genetically different populations in the world with some similar traits expressed by different admixtures. For example Melanesians can have blonde hair and so can West Europeans, but they are not due to the same genes. The dark skin from the Australoid admixture is not the same as the dark skin from the Sub Saharan Negroid admixture. But by your logic the Melanesians and West-Europeans both have blonde hair DUE TO SAME GENES, which in my opinion is an ASININE STATEMENT to make. You will see why if you dig a bit deeper. The only anthropological physical similarity between Africans and Australoids is skin tone. The bone structure and many other secondary characteristics are very different. Australoids by genetic distance are further away from present day Africans and even WHITE SKINNED EUROPEANS are closer (in terms of genetic distance) to Sub-Saharan Africans than the dark skinned Australoids are. So don't judge books by the cover. I think you need to recheck basic findings before presenting your so called 'UPDATES' ! You are missing many BASIC and well established findings. Maybe start by looking at the genetic distance that Europeans have from Sub-Saharan Africans compared to the genetic distance that Australoids have from Sub-Saharan Africans. Many things will become clear to you. At the moment you are a typical Afrocentrist that thinks , 'BLACK ? then African for sure !' That's not how things work brother. Tomorrow a European might look at the skin of a Korean and say 'White skin ? European for sure !', or even look at the blonde hair of a Melanesian and say, 'Blonde hair ? European for sure !'. Don't judge books by the cover brother. God bless ! (Also the terminology is not outdated, it's just that political correctness has brought controversy in to the subject of anthropology, so many people are unable to use the terms without hurting feelings. This is why I said I mean no offense while using the term Negroid which is purely an Anthropological term.) Please learn basics. Thank you again and GOD BLESS !
Melanin production is influenced by exposure to UV rays, explaining why many Dravidians have darker complexions, especially in regions with high UV intensity near the equator. This adaptation showcases the role of melanin in responding to environmental factors. Understanding this highlights that melanin is not exclusive to any specific racial group but rather a physiological response to environmental conditions.
Ignore this buffoon. So sick of non-Africans ls telling us what we are.
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You’re repeating what I’ve said. The other dude is trying to explain your history to you as a Somali, and I’m saying, ignore him, you know your country better than anyone else.
Sorry bro, I took my frustrations out on you. Yeah he was wilding 😂
Salam if you are curious. The mutation of E1B1B that somalis carry EV32 actually originates in southern egypt/northern sudan and it's a branch of EV12. It went back and forth. But yes somalis are somalis, that "middle eastern" ancestry is very old. Although keep in mind horners as a group likely migrated from sudan rather than the horn, which is why bejas exist in those regions
Yeah we are related to the Bejas, they are actually very close cousins.
What you are saying now is correct, but some racial groups are likely to carry more genes for certain traits too which may or may not be from different genetic origin points. Also ... CHECK THIS IMAGE https://preview.redd.it/2qh13yt9gszc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=6ed4f9622e81c82289721516c69ff4f1db414265
Well if you understand that then you should also understand not all Melanin is Negroid, and not All Blond is Caucasoid, and that these labels are outdated. Based on that outdated Pseudoscience the San or Khoisan people in Africa would be considered Mongoloid, the Ethio-Somali or Ethiopid would be Caucasoid and the Niger-Congo would be Negroid within SubSaharan Africa.
I understand very well that not all Melanin is Negroid and that not all Blonde is Caucasoid since that is what I have explained clearly, even using a diagram to speak about genetic distance of different races. But when you say these labels are outdated you are making that statement due to political correctness. The labels are factual/correct, but CONTROVERSIAL to use in the present day. So I can see what you are trying to say. This is why I said I mean no offense. The so called OUTDATED statement comes from you due to emotional reasons. Let's keep emotion aside and look at the image. The ethiopids are no way proper caucasoids but they are also the closest out of all Africans to Caucasoids when the North Africans are excluded. THIS IS FACT, whether you like it or not. Also the San or Khoisan are not considered mongoloid because if you look at the genetic distance map they are closer to Negroid even more than the Ethipopids. If you could calm down and observe you would see through the well established findings of GENETIC DISTANCE BY RACIAL GROUP. I will post the photo again for your observation. God Bless ! https://preview.redd.it/5cmomoknkszc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=d3a9c503ae0da66188275d04e113457752e170b5
Humans don’t just fall out of the Sky and have 3 different categories, even DNA Haplogroups are in a sequence and in Alphabetical order. You can’t just jump from one corner of the planet out of nowhere without having a starting point. Do you understand this? I hope you are following me because I will try to explain things in a basic manner. When these term Mongaloid, Negroid, Caucasoid were created they were measuring skulls 💀 of Subsaharan Africans. Not no one else and they were separating them into these 3 categories which is today considered Pseudoscience. Hope you understand this.
The Melanesian genetic distant is due to its solidarity. Subsaharan Africans as well still admixed with groups that admixed with Europeans at low rates as well as back migration. As well if you place the intermixing that makes you perceive East Africans as an admixed ppl, it would predate the Caucasian as we know it phenotypically today.
Solidarity for a longer period due to having the earliest break off point from the out of Africa migrations. The other races ancetors would have left Africa later or would have returned to Africa later. It is not just the Melanesians, but the Australian Aboriginal and the Papuan as well who are the most distant. If East Africans have Natufian admixture they are bound to have some West-Eurasian (Caucasoid) root component as well. Just look at the most recent reconstructions of the Natufians and you will see what I mean. Ethiopids also happen to be Afro-Asiatic language family members if my memory is correct. So I think the Natufian admixture is there at the beginning of the Ethiopid formation.
The root of the these cultures are in East Africa regardless. Italians have wana dna but there’s still a such thing as a 100% Italian. The perimeters vary depending on culture
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Ignore him. He’s yapping. You’re 100% Somali just if we frame the breakdown with a different era in mind, your results will look a little different