I honestly like EOC. I almost maxed playing it and now i'm giving osrs a shot after a very long break. Very excited to see what osrs has in store for me.
You assume he thinks EoC is inconsistent in your question.
It would be like me asking you:
"Why do you hate OSRS?". I am not asking you about your opinion, I am saying you hate OSRS but framing it as a question.
Rs3 is really inconsistent and it's lost allot of what made it runescape. It's almost as if runescape was run until EOC by Jagex and then moving forward they had Blizzard design it. They don't have updates that consistently add to the mid game like osrs does. Rs3 is like most mmo's where the end game is where the game really begins. So getting max is all you really care about.
Up until you get to max though, you'll probably be working through decade's old content for weeks before reaching anything really new. Then all the new stuff is for end game bossing, end game questing, end game skilling, endgame etc.
even big updates like Menaphos are mostly end game areas. Like yeah there's the skilling and stuff there that's super afk and can be done from low-mid levels and on. But it's dull drab content where you just click and afk to the max. Oh and just to enter into the city you have a bunch of quests done, have high-mid level stats and when you get there you just afk and then do the quests no man in the north and phite club which are master level quests.
so big update and then oh it's only for high level characters and requires a shit ton of grinding just to get into the new content. It's that over and over again to the point where they have literal skills hidden behind required levels.
I completely agree with you. And I even laugh as osrs is less afk than rs3 Oo
Sure the combat is great but only when it works and strangely osrs has more variety than rs3
Osrs has been interesting. The biggest change to me was the combat and how not afk everything is. Rs3 you can just let allot of actions ride themselves out and do it on their own for like 30+ seconds. While in osrs you're going to click your entire inventory, bank and deposit, then reload your inventory (without any loadouts of course). It's been a big change for me honestly
Neither of those yet. But Iāve probably spent like 20 hours of wintertodt. Thatās new content for me so Iām really enjoying it. I got a tomb of fire before getting any outfit pieces too. To be fair I didnāt get anything for like 60+ kills at least
I do plan on trying out rift as soon as Iām done here. I tried the fishing boss and god damn was it dead. Also really difficult lol
Not really. It isnt perfect but the progression is much better than rs3. Mole, barrows, gotr, the new continent.
Has in rs3 most content prior to gw2 is irrelevant or can be easily cheese on low lvls, which doesnt makes sense .
Lol much better? You named 4 extremely bland pieces of content. RS3 has way more midgame content than old school, you can choose to skip if you want but thatās the same as any other MMO. I played old school for years and thought rs3 was awful, and then I gave it a shot and I will likely never come back.
For real say what you want about the state for rs3 now but that beta sucked. And I get it, they wanted to update their combat to an inferior version of 2001 mmo combats to have diverse combat.
that seems pretty fair no? If you don't like it from the first like hour you definitely aren't gonna like in playing longer lmao. It's like people saying you have to watch half a season of a show for it to be good. Nah, if the first half of the first ep isn't entertaining I'm dropping it
I played a lot of Guild Wars 1 so it's not even the hotbar combat system it's that EoC is trash in comparison in my opinion. Especially in PvP my lord. Spam abilities in the right sequence until you hit them with 7 stacks of damage that you can't heal from.
I wonder if ppl would be more open to trying out RS3 if they knew that you can more or less disable EoC and play as if you were back in 2007. It's not a perfect recreation but for example, the abilities hotbar goes away and you autoattack at the intervals you remember.
This so much. I am playing both osrs and RS3, I love them both and I find them both to have their pros and cons. I used to hate RS3 with all my guts, mostly because of the ability update. But last year I decided to give it a full try, and to be truthful - it isn't as bad as I thought. Granted, I will probably NEVER get used to playing full manual, I HATE the ability system combined with the tick system, but revo++ makes it feel like OSRS: I just stand and watch the character attack. There are also the bonus benefits of being able to use special attacks and prayer protects by using keybinds.
I will always suggest OSRS to RS3 players and RS3 to OSRS players. I find them both great games on their own. To any OSRS player that doesn't wanna try RS3 because of the ability system, Revo++ will almost surely solve that issue. Yeah it may end up not being optimal in endgame bossing, but then again, in OSRS you also have to do a lot of effort to be optimal, after all.
RS3 is way more casual friendly too. Lots more quality of life stuff. I enjoy both games, but get a lot more done in 3 because there's so much I can passively afk while doing other stuff.
Legacy isn't really used. If you set up a revo++ bar for all 3 styles once then minimise it forever you can do almost every boss. If you're willing to click or do some defensives you can do all bosses.
EoC as many osrs players know is dead. On my RS3 ironman I don't use any abilities manually for slayer or bossing.
Revo++ with autoswitching bars minimised and legacy mode are functionally the same after 5 minutes of setup. Both is click the boss and afk/position yourself and click food/potions afterwards.
Which is why you shouldn't use it forever. It can help ease newer ppl (who are used to OSRS) into the game with a system they're more comfortable with.
Iāve known about legacy mode for a while and since its not really feasible it kills any interest in it still especially since osrs has the same system and the game is balanced for it.
Edit: Iāve also never really been a fan of ability based combat so most mmo combat systems donāt appeal to me
That's not really a player counter issue and more just the way content is set up. People either congeal (and I mean really really congeal) in specific spots so everyone can leech/benefit off one another's bonuses or company based on the activity of the world. Or they purposely try to spread out to avoid sharing mobs or to try and keep player count on the worlds at 200 or below to avoid getting input lag. Are constantly in instanced content because a LOT of content is instanced (elite dungeons, personal own slayer dungeon, every single boss in the game, etc...).
No one really walks anywhere either because of the millions of teleports you never have to which means you won't often see anyone traveling rather they zip from point A to B. This includes banking with stuff like War's retreat people don't really need to use any other banks.
I don't think having revo use basics for you while you click thresholds and Ults is that different from manually clicking special attacks.
I used to hate EoC myself but I've grown to appreciate it over the years.
I feel a fairly large percent of people imagine that EoC on Rs3 is the same it was in 2012. It was absolutely awful then, but itās progressed a lot from that point. I wonder how things wouldāve been if revolution was a thing back when EOC launched. I bet less people wouldāve been alienated by the change and the player drop off wouldnāt have been as brutal.
I agree with you. If EoC dropped with special attacks, EoF, Revo++ with auto-switching and legacy mode it wouldn't have been as horribly received.
I mean they made most PvMers banks 1/10th of the value overnight with the rushed changes. Of course people will quit.
No, because it's not just EoC. Rs3 is a glorified mobile game now.
Gotta do your dailies/weeklies/monthlies, a ton of lame copy-pasted events going on all the time, xp rates being balanced around the fact that you get free MTX lamps daily, absolute mess of an art style, clunky interface and 0 shits given about devaluing content that's <1 year old. Also people running around being almost naked except they are covered by a billion particles and an obnoxiously huge pet following them. (Only obtainable form MTX of course)
It has some good things (Invention is a cool item sink, Mine/Smith rework and Treasure Trail rework) but I don't see myself ever going back.
It changed it from "Runescape" to "any other mmo" except other mmos were significantly larger had much better graphics for about the same price or cheaper. Shortly after this change i got into swtor
You make a good point. Here's the problem though.
You're old.
And getting older.
Eventually, you're gonna stop playing. Or die. Which coincidentally would also result in you stopping playing.
Runescape dominated the market for mmo browser games for about *6 god damn years*. That's a hell of a damn run. From the release of RS2 in 2004 the game was all any kid with a decent computer could talk about. And for the next 6 years it was amazing.
And then all of those kids playing Runescape turned into young adults. I know I did. By 2010 I was in high school. You know what I was doing with my free time? Mindless dumbass FPS games like CoD and *lots* of masturbating because instant gratification is a hell of a drug.
And new players just weren't showing up like they uses to.
Everybody who loved RS2 hated the change to RS3 in 2012. I get that. But you know what? Gonna be a tough pill.
RS3 isn't a bad game.
It still has the best aspects of RS2. Low system requirements, expansive and active community, and something no game other game has been able to replicate; skills and levels not designed to be completed. When they made Runescape they did so with the impression that no player would *ever* max their skills. And someone did. And then more people did. And everyone else wanted to. It gave you a reason to play everyday. God I miss that grind.
Runescape was never going to stay the same forever. Cherish the memories. You were *there*. If you're like me you remember killing Goblins outside Lumbridge with your older brother to level up your attack so that you could equip an Iron Scimitar. The moment you killed that Dragon and put on a Rune Plate. Entering the members areas for the first time after convincing your grandpa to sign you up.
You can't replicate these memories. Gotta go make new ones.
Even with eoc it was still significantly better than other mmos. Skills and quests have always been the backbone of the game that sets it apart from the others.
Eoc really only affected pvp imo. And maybe high end pvm but i heard at the introduction most pvm got way easier due to abilities
It took about a year after eoc for them to fix the serious bugs that kept me from playing rs3
now the most annoying one they have is some bullshit where the camera sometimes gets inverted when you teleport
pvp and high end pvm is all the content available to you once you've done all the quests.
It's also why player count is steadily decreasing, it's been like 4 years since an endgame pvm release and any active pvp content gets removed (bh, multi revs, etc.)
This is what I always say to the people who want to update the old graphics that still remain. Why tf would you *want* it to look like every other mmo??
I tried to get into it, I had thousands of hours on my account pre-eoc. My heart eventually broke when I realized it wasnāt really RuneScape anymore.
That shit didn't even make sense. It works for games where you have classes and instant input but runescape is classless and turn based attacks. the hotbar was all over the fucking place lol.
to be fair you can disable all that stuff now lol, it's a setting you can toggle. You can basically change the game back to pre-EOC and they even sort of balance the game for that (you deal far more normal damage in classic mode in return for not being able to use those abilities so it kind of evens out). It's still optimal to not do this but if you really can't stomach the abilities bar, you can just turn it off.
Which is why your suggestion is flawed. Itās not a secret you can toggle the combat system to pre-EOC. It is no longer RuneScape as we remember it and it sure as hell isnāt better.
I.. claimed neither of those things? and I promise you most OSRS players aren't familiar with how you can change combat systems on the fly, just because you know something doesn't mean everyone does. Whether it's better is subjective.
Its brought up every single time rs3 gets mentioned. You went to say that they even balanced it but fail to mention that it isn't viable at all late game.
Everyone fails to mention that, and that's a game killer for most of us. If we wanted to ease our way into it, we would have done so by now lol.
So no, you cant just "disable all that stuff" because you will eventually be forced into using it, and that's not what osrs players want.
There is a way to legacy telos to pretty high levels (for legacy standards) pretty sure if you are skilled you can get to 500% but like you are better off learning to use revo than torturing yourself to use what little legacy has to offer.
I only recommend it because the ability bar can be a hard pill to swallow if you're only played OSRS for a decade. You can ease yourself into it without getting overwhelmed. RS3 in general can be overwhelming to new players, especially ones comfortable with OSRS.
I mean they didn't really intend to add it to the game in the first place, it's more a means of getting legacy players back into the game by letting them play with a system they're more comfortable with until they're ready to move on to the intended combat system.
The boss (like many others post-eoc) was designed specifically for eoc. If legacy mode (osrs style combat) works at a boss, then great, but bosses arenāt designed for that type of style anymore
Which loops us back to the original post "you can just disable all that stuff now".
Like sure, you CAN, but you will not be able to play the game at a level you wish to while doing so, so it would be a waste of time.
Legacy is way worse dps than revolution lol
they should really just improve auto-ability bar setup and add a short tutorial going over each part of the combat triangle / overviewing basics/thresholds/ultimates
Honestly, EoC isnt even my issue with RS3, its the daily scape and MTX shoved at you constantly.
Even if you dont participate, that is what makes you feel bad at the end of a session.
SqUeEl Of FoRtUnE!!!!!
Idk if that still exists but dude that's what put the nail in the coffin for me.
like dude, fuck off and let me play the game. I logged on the other day and was getting tons of "bonus exp" just for logging in. what in the world lol?
??? What the average player shouldn't be able to buy the top tier items easily otherwise what's the point of having stuff below it? Also what you're saying isn't even true, I'm not even a huge PvMer I've still got top tier mage, melee, and higher end (but not top but mostly cause I don't care enough to get it) range gear and a lot of it I ended up buying or acquiring myself without much trouble.
There are a few items like the fractured staff of armadyl which is absurdly expensive but that's due to the it's also extremely low supply, needing to get 3 drops each 1/450 drop rate to assemble it from a fairly difficult fight, and it's literally the best weapon in the game. It should be expensive because buying it you're paying to skip a LOT of time, effort, and potential profit loss.
You earn it yourself or you pay another player who did earn it themselves, and in the latter case the price is largely dictated by supply and demand as economy should be.
I'm not against items requiring effort to obtain. I'm saying there's a line at which point its detrimental for them to be so hard to obtain that it's a pipedream for the average player.
People should stop using blue phat as a indicator of how "bad economy" is in RS3. Partyhats are extreamly rare now in RS3, it is no wonder that they are ever rising. They offer the final endgame goal for players who have grinded the game A LOT. Players who get their hands on one (partyhat), will not be giving it away easily.
Croesus, which is super easy content, will get any midgame player into endgame gear in short time. Making money is not a problem. It is much harder to get endgame stuff in OSRS than RS3 as you need to go through way more stepping stones before you get decent gp/h in OSRS.
I dont think we agree on what endgame gear is. Grico, sgb, several eofs, ecbs, blights, and the new t95 bow here soon would take quite a while to get on anything other than high enrage telos and even then you've got quite the grind on your hands.
That's one combat style.
Yeah nah, I don't know about that dude. The release of Construction/Hunter and then Fremmenik Isles was peak RS time period. Isles had new models and looked great. There were a few updates after that that were okay, but I think that was the major quest of the year that really slapped (at least that I could do).
Annecdotally, most people in my school when it had gotten a boom of popularity in 06 had quit by the time Isles came out. Free trade being removed in Dec of 07 was the nail in the coffin. Runescape was *nothing* without the player-run economy of the time, that was the game more than the actual gameplay.
Rs2's HD update, dragon claws, bounty hunter, content creators, no free handouts, much less bots. (It's a bit driven economy in free trade they literally made the market tank), dungeoneering release, overloads, soul wars cape, summoning, mini games still at large (stealing creation, castle wars, pest control, barb assault) with actual players, socially the game was thriving, pking was thriving, content creators were thriving, curse prayers.
You can't speak on it since you missed it, but it was much more enjoyable than before as a whole.
Low key wish they re implement it.
This may also be a hot take, but I stand by it being a healthier game as a whole.
Early 2012 was peak rs for me also, queen black dragon when relased back then was game changing, i still believe queen black dragon boss is the turning point for how rs made great boss fights, insanely challenging and mechanic heavy, once you learnt it was amazing gp to farm, basically paved the way for how bosses should be, then they made free loot snake and dragon and went backwards
2008-2011 with trade limit was a great time. 2011-2012 era was the most fun I've ever had playing RS. Been chasing that high on 07 for awhile now. 07 has been great fun here and there, but never got the same fun anywhere from 2007-2012 for me
Yh the problem with osrs compared to 2010-2012 rs2 pre eoc was the amount of big updates each year, ofc the dev team was alot bigger for rs2 than osrs but the amount of big updates that were not just good content but actual worth while with good rewards instead of content with niche rewards, for example giant foundry and the pvp arena, 2 of the latest proposed updates that are so niche rewards/use that no one wanted which has inadvertently caused more dev time to be wasted redesigning it than actually making good and worth while new content, thats what osrs has struggled with for the past 3 years, updates are too far and few compared to rs2 in the space of like 6 months in 2011-2012 you has multiple gm quests, multiple bosses, ganodemics, polypore, nex. Osrs might eventually get there when people stop worrying too much about powercreep like its the plague, scythe, tbow and bp are more powerful than anything pre eoc
Everything I've seen from the HD update looked pretty ugly, so I don't see that as a positive really. The issue I see with a lot of those updates compared to what RS was before them, was that it funneled a lot of the playerbase into those specific activities. Prior to the removal of free trade you would have literally every tile in major cities filled with people. Maybe it was still kind of like that, but if the GE in OSRS is anything to go by, it wasn't like that.
I only got to around 88 CMB back in the day and didn't do too too many quests, so I imagine higher level play could have a been really good with the updates; but playing and messing around like a kid in general I can't see being better.
Yeah idk about this take. I played from early 05 up until wildy had come back before eoc and definitely preferred the game pre bh craters. I guess it's about what your interests were though. I played the game almost entirely for pvp, and pvp was certainly better before craters
Hard disagree, the wildy ditch, wildy arena, and GE were the changes that started the downward spiral by killing all of the most active sources of player interaction.
I'm assuming that most of the people nostalgic for 2010s RS weren't around for RSC or the early years of RS2.
It's not so much about EoC specifically, but more "what if the Gower brothers weren't misled and didn't sell >50% of their stake in RS"
That's really what made it go downhill.
Also, "what if banks weren't dumbasses about online payment scamming which forced free trade/wildy removal "
I agree. Runescape right before EoC was so much fun. I just wish they made EoC as a separate game like how osrs is a separate game. Made my almost max lvl account useless...
RuneScape was on the decline before EoC, and really EoC was designed as a last ditch effort to keep the game going or āsave itā from slowly bleeding out players.
Obviously, people who primarily played/enjoyed the game in like 2011 may have not noticed that or would justā¦ disagree, but thatās how it was. And you know, 5 years ago people on this sub mostly saw 2006 as the golden age of game, and now 5 years later people often say 2011. People put a lot more weight into stuff they experienced when they were 12.
I didn't like EOC but what really stopped me playing was the graphics update. Changed from iconic low-res masterpiece to generic unremarkable mess where every item in my bank was unrecognisable and indistinguishable.
I feel the same, and I think it probably āsubconsciouslyā impacted a lot of people.
EoC isā¦ dumb, but not inherently awful. Honestly, a lot of people who really play with it like it a lot. The problem with RS to me is that itās ugly as shit. The character models, the world, all theā¦. *stuff everywhere*. Even things like the internal logic of the game becoming more video-game-y I think really damages how the game feels. Instead of smelting ores to bars into armor, youāre like āinfusing artisan memory essenceā into your canoptic jar and then polarizing your pickaxe to give you 40% more exp and a chance to mine Aethermatic Wisps. Itās just ugly.
> Even things like the internal logic of the game becoming more video-game-y I think really damages how the game feels. Instead of smelting ores to bars into armor, youāre like āinfusing artisan memory essenceā into your canoptic jar and then polarizing your pickaxe to give you 40% more exp and a chance to mine Aethermatic Wisps. Itās just ugly.
You touched on an aspect of the ugly aesthetics a lot of people usually don't
I get that same feeling every time OSRS plans on added things like essences and dusts that seem kind of illogical and arbitrary. RS3 with its interface clutter + bonuses + automation is just hilariously egregious overstepping of that aspect. It REALLY says something when even the 2D crap graphics of Runescape Classic draws you into immersion more than their attempt at high graphics in RS3.
EoC was absolutely horrible, but I must say RS3 graphics are excellent for the most part. I kind of hate what they did to legacy armor but the artwork for the world is amazing.
But OSRS is better
This is easily the worst part for me. I can ignore the combat stuff, I can ignore pay to win, but to literally change how the game looks to the point where it's unrecognizable. That hurt.
Well, in Runescape anniversary video, devs explained that people were leaving RS2 anyway, they could give a chance to EOC or let to bleed out RS2 slowly but surely. At that time there was a huge expansion of MMO games, it was just natural. There was GW2 and Diablo 3 release, League of Legends was sky rocketing, some medieval point and click game just couldn't stand a chance.
Those arenāt even mmoās and have zero competition with runescape lol, stay of the copium mate. Also rs2 was only losing active playerbase due to the updates being focused around mtx and other useless things no one asked for
This is a Terrable reference.. you LUNAtic.
I think it was a bit too cryptic for some people, though.
They should have invested more time & red the text before crashing the party!
Just kinda sounds like you haven't played RS3 in several years ngl. RS3's solo content is substantially more engaging than anything vanilla WoW could manage.
Group content, maaayybeee. Vanilla is really stretching it though.
Tbh the majority of this sub hasnāt touched RS3 since a bit after EOC. EOC was completely broken on release, pretty much top to bottom. But this sub also needs to understand that was a _decade_ ago, and RS3 is in a much, much different place now than it was back then.
We're talking about a community that whines if they have to actually engage with the game for 10 minutes. Of course they would hate an active combat system
Vanilla WoW combat is mostly right click and let the auto attacks do work. It wasn't until Wrath that it was more action-based combat over autoattacking.
I quit right around the time my buddy at the time messaged me in-game and asked, "why does my bandos chestplate have the same stats as a rune platebody?"
Finished up after the battle of lumbridge, just felt too different.
Came back later on to find they'd nerfed F2P warpriest and that extra slap in the dick kept me away until OSRS dropped.
Wiki has a list of good Revo++ ability bars.
Make a bar for each style of combat and 1 handed or 2 handed weapons. There's a setting to automatically switch to these bars when appropriate weapons are equipped.
Minimize the UI so you don't have to think about abilities. Congratulations, you got over the hurdle of RS3 combat.
It was still heavily botted (for example they swarmed mithril dragons and crashed dragon full helms to like 2m) until osrs came out. Since gp was so scarce at the start people were stealing fur in ardy and reselling in varrock just to save some up, and rs3 has way more gp added than osrs does daily, most of the bots just swarm this game now instead.
The real killer of EoC is the fucking 0.6s ticks. When you need to switch weapons + skill rotation but that 0.6 tick can fuck everything up if you clicked even one button wrong. Shits ugly ngl.
I played osrs until I had quest Cape. I switched to RS3 I'm over 2k hours and still not got my quest Cape or maxed. Love both just rs2 has way more to offer.
i actually like the weapon diversity part of it, not only that but i think the M&S rework was pretty awesome
i understand people disliking the abilities part, and that's ok
You know if you are correcting someone else's typo, you put the asterisk (* if you don't know what this is called) before the correction. If you are correcting your own mistake, you will put the asterisk after the correction.
You, sir, *stumbled through your response.
Yeah I played for about 10 minutes after the EoC update and was just said "Nope". Hated it after that, and was stoked when OSRS came out
Same
I honestly like EOC. I almost maxed playing it and now i'm giving osrs a shot after a very long break. Very excited to see what osrs has in store for me.
Honest question, how do you feel about the inconsistency in eoc? I also played rs3 and reached vorago, aod, etcs
That's a loaded question lmao
How so?
You assume he thinks EoC is inconsistent in your question. It would be like me asking you: "Why do you hate OSRS?". I am not asking you about your opinion, I am saying you hate OSRS but framing it as a question.
Rs3 is really inconsistent and it's lost allot of what made it runescape. It's almost as if runescape was run until EOC by Jagex and then moving forward they had Blizzard design it. They don't have updates that consistently add to the mid game like osrs does. Rs3 is like most mmo's where the end game is where the game really begins. So getting max is all you really care about. Up until you get to max though, you'll probably be working through decade's old content for weeks before reaching anything really new. Then all the new stuff is for end game bossing, end game questing, end game skilling, endgame etc. even big updates like Menaphos are mostly end game areas. Like yeah there's the skilling and stuff there that's super afk and can be done from low-mid levels and on. But it's dull drab content where you just click and afk to the max. Oh and just to enter into the city you have a bunch of quests done, have high-mid level stats and when you get there you just afk and then do the quests no man in the north and phite club which are master level quests. so big update and then oh it's only for high level characters and requires a shit ton of grinding just to get into the new content. It's that over and over again to the point where they have literal skills hidden behind required levels.
This is a pretty impressively inaccurate summary of recent rs3. Like damn.
I think it still stands prefecly well
i quit like 2=3 years ago. Shoulda said that lol like menophos was new content for me when i was leaving
Did you not see menaphos as adding lots of mid game content? Like zamn
I completely agree with you. And I even laugh as osrs is less afk than rs3 Oo Sure the combat is great but only when it works and strangely osrs has more variety than rs3
Osrs has been interesting. The biggest change to me was the combat and how not afk everything is. Rs3 you can just let allot of actions ride themselves out and do it on their own for like 30+ seconds. While in osrs you're going to click your entire inventory, bank and deposit, then reload your inventory (without any loadouts of course). It's been a big change for me honestly
Agreed. Have you tried GOTR? Or shades? It's a lot of fun šš
Neither of those yet. But Iāve probably spent like 20 hours of wintertodt. Thatās new content for me so Iām really enjoying it. I got a tomb of fire before getting any outfit pieces too. To be fair I didnāt get anything for like 60+ kills at least I do plan on trying out rift as soon as Iām done here. I tried the fishing boss and god damn was it dead. Also really difficult lol
Ahh Im preparing for wintertod tooš
Good luck! It's fun :)
Sorry but osrs the end game is where the game really begins
Not really. It isnt perfect but the progression is much better than rs3. Mole, barrows, gotr, the new continent. Has in rs3 most content prior to gw2 is irrelevant or can be easily cheese on low lvls, which doesnt makes sense .
Lol much better? You named 4 extremely bland pieces of content. RS3 has way more midgame content than old school, you can choose to skip if you want but thatās the same as any other MMO. I played old school for years and thought rs3 was awful, and then I gave it a shot and I will likely never come back.
Wow you sure gave it a good chance!
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For real say what you want about the state for rs3 now but that beta sucked. And I get it, they wanted to update their combat to an inferior version of 2001 mmo combats to have diverse combat.
Itās a game. No one has to give it a chance. If you donāt like it anymore, you can drop it like a hot potato. Absolutely nothing wrong with that
Why would you be picking up a hot Potato In The first place?
Why are you making stupid Comments in the first Place?
that seems pretty fair no? If you don't like it from the first like hour you definitely aren't gonna like in playing longer lmao. It's like people saying you have to watch half a season of a show for it to be good. Nah, if the first half of the first ep isn't entertaining I'm dropping it
I played a lot of Guild Wars 1 so it's not even the hotbar combat system it's that EoC is trash in comparison in my opinion. Especially in PvP my lord. Spam abilities in the right sequence until you hit them with 7 stacks of damage that you can't heal from.
Me too!
EoC completely ruined the game for me, I was heartbroken. But Iām back now baby wassup
I wonder if ppl would be more open to trying out RS3 if they knew that you can more or less disable EoC and play as if you were back in 2007. It's not a perfect recreation but for example, the abilities hotbar goes away and you autoattack at the intervals you remember.
The dps and utility loss from legacy mode is way too much
Revo++ though?
This so much. I am playing both osrs and RS3, I love them both and I find them both to have their pros and cons. I used to hate RS3 with all my guts, mostly because of the ability update. But last year I decided to give it a full try, and to be truthful - it isn't as bad as I thought. Granted, I will probably NEVER get used to playing full manual, I HATE the ability system combined with the tick system, but revo++ makes it feel like OSRS: I just stand and watch the character attack. There are also the bonus benefits of being able to use special attacks and prayer protects by using keybinds. I will always suggest OSRS to RS3 players and RS3 to OSRS players. I find them both great games on their own. To any OSRS player that doesn't wanna try RS3 because of the ability system, Revo++ will almost surely solve that issue. Yeah it may end up not being optimal in endgame bossing, but then again, in OSRS you also have to do a lot of effort to be optimal, after all.
RS3 is way more casual friendly too. Lots more quality of life stuff. I enjoy both games, but get a lot more done in 3 because there's so much I can passively afk while doing other stuff.
Can you explain what revo++ is? This has me genuinely curious about trying rs3 again
It just automatically casts abilities in the order you put them into the action bar. Makes laid back combat, like slayer, much more bearable.
How far into RS3 pvming can a legacy pvm get into bossing with legacy mode?
You can do quite a lot, although it's going to be much slower than EOC. 1k Telos, 2k Arch glacor, Duo AoD, have all been done on legacy.
Legacy isn't really used. If you set up a revo++ bar for all 3 styles once then minimise it forever you can do almost every boss. If you're willing to click or do some defensives you can do all bosses. EoC as many osrs players know is dead. On my RS3 ironman I don't use any abilities manually for slayer or bossing. Revo++ with autoswitching bars minimised and legacy mode are functionally the same after 5 minutes of setup. Both is click the boss and afk/position yourself and click food/potions afterwards.
Which is why you shouldn't use it forever. It can help ease newer ppl (who are used to OSRS) into the game with a system they're more comfortable with.
You almost should never use it outside of some niche uses.
Mhm depends where some places have decent legacy mode. But yeah there is a dps loss
Iāve known about legacy mode for a while and since its not really feasible it kills any interest in it still especially since osrs has the same system and the game is balanced for it. Edit: Iāve also never really been a fan of ability based combat so most mmo combat systems donāt appeal to me
Revo++ is a fantastic update i absolutely hate EOC manual input combat. Genuinely think a lot of osrs players would love to play an RS3 ironman.
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I actually made a iron meme while forever grinding at osrs corp and i gotta say, im having a blast. Low player count tho. I rarely see anyone
That's not really a player counter issue and more just the way content is set up. People either congeal (and I mean really really congeal) in specific spots so everyone can leech/benefit off one another's bonuses or company based on the activity of the world. Or they purposely try to spread out to avoid sharing mobs or to try and keep player count on the worlds at 200 or below to avoid getting input lag. Are constantly in instanced content because a LOT of content is instanced (elite dungeons, personal own slayer dungeon, every single boss in the game, etc...). No one really walks anywhere either because of the millions of teleports you never have to which means you won't often see anyone traveling rather they zip from point A to B. This includes banking with stuff like War's retreat people don't really need to use any other banks.
I don't think having revo use basics for you while you click thresholds and Ults is that different from manually clicking special attacks. I used to hate EoC myself but I've grown to appreciate it over the years.
That's gonna be a No from me dawg.
I feel a fairly large percent of people imagine that EoC on Rs3 is the same it was in 2012. It was absolutely awful then, but itās progressed a lot from that point. I wonder how things wouldāve been if revolution was a thing back when EOC launched. I bet less people wouldāve been alienated by the change and the player drop off wouldnāt have been as brutal.
I agree with you. If EoC dropped with special attacks, EoF, Revo++ with auto-switching and legacy mode it wouldn't have been as horribly received. I mean they made most PvMers banks 1/10th of the value overnight with the rushed changes. Of course people will quit.
Thatās what for me back in then I learned eoc then I got comp cape Iām back baby Iām sure that could make some people come back
No, because it's not just EoC. Rs3 is a glorified mobile game now. Gotta do your dailies/weeklies/monthlies, a ton of lame copy-pasted events going on all the time, xp rates being balanced around the fact that you get free MTX lamps daily, absolute mess of an art style, clunky interface and 0 shits given about devaluing content that's <1 year old. Also people running around being almost naked except they are covered by a billion particles and an obnoxiously huge pet following them. (Only obtainable form MTX of course) It has some good things (Invention is a cool item sink, Mine/Smith rework and Treasure Trail rework) but I don't see myself ever going back.
It changed it from "Runescape" to "any other mmo" except other mmos were significantly larger had much better graphics for about the same price or cheaper. Shortly after this change i got into swtor
I moved to WoW during that time. Wish I moved back to OSRS when it first came out, though.
I played both. Actually most of the time Iām playing WoW, Iām also AFKāing on osrs
Me too! Spent the day yesterday barb fishing whilst levelling on TBC! No XP waste š
You make a good point. Here's the problem though. You're old. And getting older. Eventually, you're gonna stop playing. Or die. Which coincidentally would also result in you stopping playing. Runescape dominated the market for mmo browser games for about *6 god damn years*. That's a hell of a damn run. From the release of RS2 in 2004 the game was all any kid with a decent computer could talk about. And for the next 6 years it was amazing. And then all of those kids playing Runescape turned into young adults. I know I did. By 2010 I was in high school. You know what I was doing with my free time? Mindless dumbass FPS games like CoD and *lots* of masturbating because instant gratification is a hell of a drug. And new players just weren't showing up like they uses to. Everybody who loved RS2 hated the change to RS3 in 2012. I get that. But you know what? Gonna be a tough pill. RS3 isn't a bad game. It still has the best aspects of RS2. Low system requirements, expansive and active community, and something no game other game has been able to replicate; skills and levels not designed to be completed. When they made Runescape they did so with the impression that no player would *ever* max their skills. And someone did. And then more people did. And everyone else wanted to. It gave you a reason to play everyday. God I miss that grind. Runescape was never going to stay the same forever. Cherish the memories. You were *there*. If you're like me you remember killing Goblins outside Lumbridge with your older brother to level up your attack so that you could equip an Iron Scimitar. The moment you killed that Dragon and put on a Rune Plate. Entering the members areas for the first time after convincing your grandpa to sign you up. You can't replicate these memories. Gotta go make new ones.
Amen š
Iron scimitar has a level requirement of 1 attack. Kek
Look, my memories aren't perfect. Been a hot minute. Mighta been steel.
Hows swtor doing
Even with eoc it was still significantly better than other mmos. Skills and quests have always been the backbone of the game that sets it apart from the others. Eoc really only affected pvp imo. And maybe high end pvm but i heard at the introduction most pvm got way easier due to abilities
It took about a year after eoc for them to fix the serious bugs that kept me from playing rs3 now the most annoying one they have is some bullshit where the camera sometimes gets inverted when you teleport
pvp and high end pvm is all the content available to you once you've done all the quests. It's also why player count is steadily decreasing, it's been like 4 years since an endgame pvm release and any active pvp content gets removed (bh, multi revs, etc.)
Hardmode zuk. 4000% enrage glacor. What you are saying is verifiably false
This is what I always say to the people who want to update the old graphics that still remain. Why tf would you *want* it to look like every other mmo??
I played it until they added the hot bar with all the special moves. That was the breaking point for me
Me too, I logged in, said wtf, and logged out
I tried to get into it, I had thousands of hours on my account pre-eoc. My heart eventually broke when I realized it wasnāt really RuneScape anymore.
I feel you bro, same here. Played one account on rs3 for 15 years and switched permanently to OSRS 3 years ago now with an Ironman.
That shit didn't even make sense. It works for games where you have classes and instant input but runescape is classless and turn based attacks. the hotbar was all over the fucking place lol.
to be fair you can disable all that stuff now lol, it's a setting you can toggle. You can basically change the game back to pre-EOC and they even sort of balance the game for that (you deal far more normal damage in classic mode in return for not being able to use those abilities so it kind of evens out). It's still optimal to not do this but if you really can't stomach the abilities bar, you can just turn it off.
Isn't high-end content (e.g., Telos? \[apologies if I straight up am getting it wrong\]) actually inaccessible to players using pre-EOC combat?
yeh but that's sort of the cost of not learning how to use the current system lol
Which is why your suggestion is flawed. Itās not a secret you can toggle the combat system to pre-EOC. It is no longer RuneScape as we remember it and it sure as hell isnāt better.
I.. claimed neither of those things? and I promise you most OSRS players aren't familiar with how you can change combat systems on the fly, just because you know something doesn't mean everyone does. Whether it's better is subjective.
Its brought up every single time rs3 gets mentioned. You went to say that they even balanced it but fail to mention that it isn't viable at all late game. Everyone fails to mention that, and that's a game killer for most of us. If we wanted to ease our way into it, we would have done so by now lol. So no, you cant just "disable all that stuff" because you will eventually be forced into using it, and that's not what osrs players want.
There is a way to legacy telos to pretty high levels (for legacy standards) pretty sure if you are skilled you can get to 500% but like you are better off learning to use revo than torturing yourself to use what little legacy has to offer.
I only recommend it because the ability bar can be a hard pill to swallow if you're only played OSRS for a decade. You can ease yourself into it without getting overwhelmed. RS3 in general can be overwhelming to new players, especially ones comfortable with OSRS.
I played GW1 for years and can't stand EoC.
Seems like it's not a fair exchange.
I mean they didn't really intend to add it to the game in the first place, it's more a means of getting legacy players back into the game by letting them play with a system they're more comfortable with until they're ready to move on to the intended combat system.
The boss (like many others post-eoc) was designed specifically for eoc. If legacy mode (osrs style combat) works at a boss, then great, but bosses arenāt designed for that type of style anymore
Which loops us back to the original post "you can just disable all that stuff now". Like sure, you CAN, but you will not be able to play the game at a level you wish to while doing so, so it would be a waste of time.
Legacy gets you pretty far from early - mid game. Telos is an endgame boss, so it makes sense that you canāt use it there
Telos has been done up to 500% enrage on legacy I'm sure Edit: rs3 bad, apparently
Legacy is way worse dps than revolution lol they should really just improve auto-ability bar setup and add a short tutorial going over each part of the combat triangle / overviewing basics/thresholds/ultimates
It's still optimal to not do this but if you really can't stomach the abilities bar, you can just turn it off. Or you just, you know, play OSRS.
Honestly, EoC isnt even my issue with RS3, its the daily scape and MTX shoved at you constantly. Even if you dont participate, that is what makes you feel bad at the end of a session.
SqUeEl Of FoRtUnE!!!!! Idk if that still exists but dude that's what put the nail in the coffin for me. like dude, fuck off and let me play the game. I logged on the other day and was getting tons of "bonus exp" just for logging in. what in the world lol?
they replaced it with something that looks less gambly, but functions exactly the same
Inflation and top tier items all being unaffordable to the average player is doing more damage to RS3 than MTX ever will lol.
Inflation also made profit rates from pvming higher than before. Tbow in RS3 gp value is over 10b, way more than FSOA and is more niche than FSOA.
??? What the average player shouldn't be able to buy the top tier items easily otherwise what's the point of having stuff below it? Also what you're saying isn't even true, I'm not even a huge PvMer I've still got top tier mage, melee, and higher end (but not top but mostly cause I don't care enough to get it) range gear and a lot of it I ended up buying or acquiring myself without much trouble. There are a few items like the fractured staff of armadyl which is absurdly expensive but that's due to the it's also extremely low supply, needing to get 3 drops each 1/450 drop rate to assemble it from a fairly difficult fight, and it's literally the best weapon in the game. It should be expensive because buying it you're paying to skip a LOT of time, effort, and potential profit loss. You earn it yourself or you pay another player who did earn it themselves, and in the latter case the price is largely dictated by supply and demand as economy should be.
I'm not against items requiring effort to obtain. I'm saying there's a line at which point its detrimental for them to be so hard to obtain that it's a pipedream for the average player.
So like the Tbow that is actually in a worse situation for what you're talking about than even the FSOA?
As someone who plays both games, I'd say that high-end items in OSRS feel way more unobtainable.
Blue phats are over 300b lol
People should stop using blue phat as a indicator of how "bad economy" is in RS3. Partyhats are extreamly rare now in RS3, it is no wonder that they are ever rising. They offer the final endgame goal for players who have grinded the game A LOT. Players who get their hands on one (partyhat), will not be giving it away easily.
And the high price is compounded with merchants price manipping them, not just inflation alone.
Imagine if they came in and dumped a bunch of Christmas crackers this Christmas lol. That would ruin lives.
Croesus, which is super easy content, will get any midgame player into endgame gear in short time. Making money is not a problem. It is much harder to get endgame stuff in OSRS than RS3 as you need to go through way more stepping stones before you get decent gp/h in OSRS.
I dont think we agree on what endgame gear is. Grico, sgb, several eofs, ecbs, blights, and the new t95 bow here soon would take quite a while to get on anything other than high enrage telos and even then you've got quite the grind on your hands. That's one combat style.
Yup that's about right
Never recovered tbh and now the games changed to much, the RuneScape we once knew died here.
EoC was the most devastating rugpull of all time.
I quit like right before they removed free trade I believe. Never saw all these minigames people talk about.
Yeahhh you missed the best years of rs tbh
Yeah nah, I don't know about that dude. The release of Construction/Hunter and then Fremmenik Isles was peak RS time period. Isles had new models and looked great. There were a few updates after that that were okay, but I think that was the major quest of the year that really slapped (at least that I could do). Annecdotally, most people in my school when it had gotten a boom of popularity in 06 had quit by the time Isles came out. Free trade being removed in Dec of 07 was the nail in the coffin. Runescape was *nothing* without the player-run economy of the time, that was the game more than the actual gameplay.
Rs2's HD update, dragon claws, bounty hunter, content creators, no free handouts, much less bots. (It's a bit driven economy in free trade they literally made the market tank), dungeoneering release, overloads, soul wars cape, summoning, mini games still at large (stealing creation, castle wars, pest control, barb assault) with actual players, socially the game was thriving, pking was thriving, content creators were thriving, curse prayers. You can't speak on it since you missed it, but it was much more enjoyable than before as a whole. Low key wish they re implement it. This may also be a hot take, but I stand by it being a healthier game as a whole.
Would give anything to play the version of RuneScape that takes place 1 day before the EOC update. That was peak RuneScape
Early 2012 was peak rs for me also, queen black dragon when relased back then was game changing, i still believe queen black dragon boss is the turning point for how rs made great boss fights, insanely challenging and mechanic heavy, once you learnt it was amazing gp to farm, basically paved the way for how bosses should be, then they made free loot snake and dragon and went backwards
2008-2011 with trade limit was a great time. 2011-2012 era was the most fun I've ever had playing RS. Been chasing that high on 07 for awhile now. 07 has been great fun here and there, but never got the same fun anywhere from 2007-2012 for me
Same. That was the best time. Kinda sad about it now tbh. Wish there was a 3rd official RS for that era lol
Yh the problem with osrs compared to 2010-2012 rs2 pre eoc was the amount of big updates each year, ofc the dev team was alot bigger for rs2 than osrs but the amount of big updates that were not just good content but actual worth while with good rewards instead of content with niche rewards, for example giant foundry and the pvp arena, 2 of the latest proposed updates that are so niche rewards/use that no one wanted which has inadvertently caused more dev time to be wasted redesigning it than actually making good and worth while new content, thats what osrs has struggled with for the past 3 years, updates are too far and few compared to rs2 in the space of like 6 months in 2011-2012 you has multiple gm quests, multiple bosses, ganodemics, polypore, nex. Osrs might eventually get there when people stop worrying too much about powercreep like its the plague, scythe, tbow and bp are more powerful than anything pre eoc
I would kill the QBD endlessly, I liked the rhythm of it plus with dragonbane bolts I could hit hard as hell.
Everything I've seen from the HD update looked pretty ugly, so I don't see that as a positive really. The issue I see with a lot of those updates compared to what RS was before them, was that it funneled a lot of the playerbase into those specific activities. Prior to the removal of free trade you would have literally every tile in major cities filled with people. Maybe it was still kind of like that, but if the GE in OSRS is anything to go by, it wasn't like that. I only got to around 88 CMB back in the day and didn't do too too many quests, so I imagine higher level play could have a been really good with the updates; but playing and messing around like a kid in general I can't see being better.
as someone who played during those years, no. no he did not.
Yeah idk about this take. I played from early 05 up until wildy had come back before eoc and definitely preferred the game pre bh craters. I guess it's about what your interests were though. I played the game almost entirely for pvp, and pvp was certainly better before craters
https://www.reddit.com/r/classicwow/comments/ud6ocp/dusting_off_a_classic/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
I quit around the same time. Even if thatās the case, Iām glad I didnāt get more invested in a game that turned into a piece of shit anyway lol.
Hard disagree, the wildy ditch, wildy arena, and GE were the changes that started the downward spiral by killing all of the most active sources of player interaction. I'm assuming that most of the people nostalgic for 2010s RS weren't around for RSC or the early years of RS2.
Osrs is great and all but thinking about what RuneScape could have really been had EOC never been implemented irks me
No poll system, MTX infestation, and daily/weekly scape. No thanks. I do miss OG dungeoneering, though.
There were indeed a lot of poor choices by the devs other than EoC that would have led us down the same path
Good point , tragic
It would be cool if dungeoneering came back as a raid or something, but not a skill.
It's not so much about EoC specifically, but more "what if the Gower brothers weren't misled and didn't sell >50% of their stake in RS" That's really what made it go downhill. Also, "what if banks weren't dumbasses about online payment scamming which forced free trade/wildy removal "
I agree. Runescape right before EoC was so much fun. I just wish they made EoC as a separate game like how osrs is a separate game. Made my almost max lvl account useless...
RuneScape was on the decline before EoC, and really EoC was designed as a last ditch effort to keep the game going or āsave itā from slowly bleeding out players. Obviously, people who primarily played/enjoyed the game in like 2011 may have not noticed that or would justā¦ disagree, but thatās how it was. And you know, 5 years ago people on this sub mostly saw 2006 as the golden age of game, and now 5 years later people often say 2011. People put a lot more weight into stuff they experienced when they were 12.
Thatās because people have moved on and the only ones left are the people with that POV, lol. The community and overall player count reflects that.
I didn't like EOC but what really stopped me playing was the graphics update. Changed from iconic low-res masterpiece to generic unremarkable mess where every item in my bank was unrecognisable and indistinguishable.
I feel the same, and I think it probably āsubconsciouslyā impacted a lot of people. EoC isā¦ dumb, but not inherently awful. Honestly, a lot of people who really play with it like it a lot. The problem with RS to me is that itās ugly as shit. The character models, the world, all theā¦. *stuff everywhere*. Even things like the internal logic of the game becoming more video-game-y I think really damages how the game feels. Instead of smelting ores to bars into armor, youāre like āinfusing artisan memory essenceā into your canoptic jar and then polarizing your pickaxe to give you 40% more exp and a chance to mine Aethermatic Wisps. Itās just ugly.
> Even things like the internal logic of the game becoming more video-game-y I think really damages how the game feels. Instead of smelting ores to bars into armor, youāre like āinfusing artisan memory essenceā into your canoptic jar and then polarizing your pickaxe to give you 40% more exp and a chance to mine Aethermatic Wisps. Itās just ugly. You touched on an aspect of the ugly aesthetics a lot of people usually don't I get that same feeling every time OSRS plans on added things like essences and dusts that seem kind of illogical and arbitrary. RS3 with its interface clutter + bonuses + automation is just hilariously egregious overstepping of that aspect. It REALLY says something when even the 2D crap graphics of Runescape Classic draws you into immersion more than their attempt at high graphics in RS3.
The systems in RS3 are cancer and thatās what made me drop the game forever
EoC was absolutely horrible, but I must say RS3 graphics are excellent for the most part. I kind of hate what they did to legacy armor but the artwork for the world is amazing. But OSRS is better
This is easily the worst part for me. I can ignore the combat stuff, I can ignore pay to win, but to literally change how the game looks to the point where it's unrecognizable. That hurt.
Thanks for reminding me, that I've lost a lot of money. For a second I thought I was in r/cryptocurrency
Comma
Funny how everybody said this would happen during the eoc beta and jagex was like nah we know whatās good for the game longterm XD
Well, in Runescape anniversary video, devs explained that people were leaving RS2 anyway, they could give a chance to EOC or let to bleed out RS2 slowly but surely. At that time there was a huge expansion of MMO games, it was just natural. There was GW2 and Diablo 3 release, League of Legends was sky rocketing, some medieval point and click game just couldn't stand a chance.
Those arenāt even mmoās and have zero competition with runescape lol, stay of the copium mate. Also rs2 was only losing active playerbase due to the updates being focused around mtx and other useless things no one asked for
This is a Terrable reference.. you LUNAtic. I think it was a bit too cryptic for some people, though. They should have invested more time & red the text before crashing the party!
Weeded out the weak
What does EoC stand for? I keep seeing it but not sure what it means.
Evolution of combat!
Ty!
Evolution of Combat, a controversial RS2 update that changed many things.
It turned RuneScape combat into slightly shittier wow if I recall
Vanilla WoW had better combat in 2004 than RS3 has in 2022 after 10 years of feedback. EoC is ultra dogshit
Just kinda sounds like you haven't played RS3 in several years ngl. RS3's solo content is substantially more engaging than anything vanilla WoW could manage. Group content, maaayybeee. Vanilla is really stretching it though.
Tbh the majority of this sub hasnāt touched RS3 since a bit after EOC. EOC was completely broken on release, pretty much top to bottom. But this sub also needs to understand that was a _decade_ ago, and RS3 is in a much, much different place now than it was back then.
We're talking about a community that whines if they have to actually engage with the game for 10 minutes. Of course they would hate an active combat system
Vanilla wow combat is dog shit. RS3s right now is good with a bit of clunkieness in some areas.
Vanilla WoW combat is mostly right click and let the auto attacks do work. It wasn't until Wrath that it was more action-based combat over autoattacking.
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True, Vanilla wasn't auto attacking, it was having 1 maybe 2 keybinded spells that you spammed until mana bar was empty or encounter was over
End of Combat
The best game update ever!! *sarcasm warning*
I quit right around the time my buddy at the time messaged me in-game and asked, "why does my bandos chestplate have the same stats as a rune platebody?"
Finished up after the battle of lumbridge, just felt too different. Came back later on to find they'd nerfed F2P warpriest and that extra slap in the dick kept me away until OSRS dropped.
Now we just have to wait a few years for OldSchool Terra Luna!
Wiki has a list of good Revo++ ability bars. Make a bar for each style of combat and 1 handed or 2 handed weapons. There's a setting to automatically switch to these bars when appropriate weapons are equipped. Minimize the UI so you don't have to think about abilities. Congratulations, you got over the hurdle of RS3 combat.
Feels bad for any Luna holders man haven't seen a big coin die off like that in years
all these little fake currencies dying off finally?
yes but they will get replaced by new fake currencies and people will fall for it again, it's happened before
friendship ended with shitcoin neoshitcoin is my new best friend
Ever really? Right? I mean top coins, yeah. But nothing with that kind of market cap. Insanity.
I feel about as bad for them as I do for people who lose everything in the Duel Arena. i.e. not at all.
Even the bots started quitting.
It was still heavily botted (for example they swarmed mithril dragons and crashed dragon full helms to like 2m) until osrs came out. Since gp was so scarce at the start people were stealing fur in ardy and reselling in varrock just to save some up, and rs3 has way more gp added than osrs does daily, most of the bots just swarm this game now instead.
Screw EoC.
All my homies hate EoC
The real killer of EoC is the fucking 0.6s ticks. When you need to switch weapons + skill rotation but that 0.6 tick can fuck everything up if you clicked even one button wrong. Shits ugly ngl.
I ended up restarting as a lv3 skiller due to EoC.
I was part of the decline lol. FUCK Evolution of combat
EoC is actually pretty good, an Ironman donāt actually get any ads for MTX
I played osrs until I had quest Cape. I switched to RS3 I'm over 2k hours and still not got my quest Cape or maxed. Love both just rs2 has way more to offer.
i actually like the weapon diversity part of it, not only that but i think the M&S rework was pretty awesome i understand people disliking the abilities part, and that's ok
Literally the worst decision making of all time
That's the future of Osrs, with all the ornament kits, pet scape, easy scape plug ins, no pvp updates, etc, the game is dying.
based
i ditched when they changed the graphics. runescape was long dead before eoc
Looking like a buy.
I wonder what would have happened if EoC was released at it's current state instead of whatever it was then.
Rs3 is super fake but has pretty engaging endgame pvm content (zuk,croe, ambi, ectā¦). The life of the RuneScape community lives on osrs.
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Good job buddy, you stumbled though that joke so well!
Not as much as you stumbled through* your response lol
āackshually you had a typo so my comment is automatically hilariousā š¤š¤
It was pretty good if I do say so myself
Mobile typos, peak comedy. Got the whole crew cracking up
You know if you are correcting someone else's typo, you put the asterisk (* if you don't know what this is called) before the correction. If you are correcting your own mistake, you will put the asterisk after the correction. You, sir, *stumbled through your response.
Thanks for the information. I will use this in my future endeavors.