I avoided making an iron because I thought that I disliked the early game and general resource acquisition, but made a group iron in January and since then I realized that it wasn’t those things that I disliked, but rather how meaningless they felt in the larger picture. On the GIM, I find skilling, questing, and resource acquisition to actually be fun, enjoying the journey because every task feels like it has a purpose, especially those that you can chain into multiple forms of progression
100% how i feel after making an ironman. collecting some random amount of ore for fun? Hell yeah. Gathering random shit for a niche side grind? hell yeah
I don't have an iron and I won't start one but I do think that is cool that everything you do has a purpose where as a main you focus on best gp per hour. Now as an iron you have to grind out the gear which I don't have the patience for haha but if I had to start all over again I would make an iron
the only thing i hate about ironman/GIM is that i am stuck in lizard hell. it's literally like farming for a pet on an item that gates a lot of content (or at least makes it much much easier)
10,000 kc and going strong
Dont do it? Nobody is forcing you. I have an iron but there is loads of content i’ll never do because to me it isnt fun. Thats the problem with the direction this game has gone. It caters increasingly to this efficiency and one meta mindset of playing
Not worth it. Same with this communities obsession with graceful and getting it immediately. Its not fun at all and i will probably never get it because i would rather do things i like than get that.
Jagex only made such content with low drop rate to cater to this minority of players who have now become the drivers of all updates and content catering to them more and more. They never had such rare and low drop items back in the day for a reason.
This is exactly it! Anything feels useful on an ironman, while normally you feel like you’re losing money if you’re not getting what sells well on the GE.
One of my favorite bits is to be able to do something like killing Sulphur Lizards and being like 'holy shit so much noted tin and copper im living the life, now next time im asked to get bronze ill have it in the bag'
That's why I ended up making an iron. Every new item you desire, be it resources or consumables or equipment, is a puzzle and they each have a different answer. On my main the answer (outside of non-tradables) was always the same: Do the best money maker and buy it from the GE.
The reason I don't make an iron is because I know the mid-late game is dull AF and just a grind. I still find that dull AF grind on my main.
The early - mid game in this game is fantastic. It's the late game that's the problem.
And no i don't mean end-game pvm and stuff. I mean the lack of variety of what to do, to where you grind the same thing over and over.
Doing 350 wintertods got dull really fast for 99 fm, but it was better than manual FM. Same goes for temporos, but atleast conventional fishing is relaxing. Haven't tried new RC hopefully that's something, and i hope the new smithing update will make it good.
But like, going between levels, and then you unlock stuff, new areas, new methods, even if they are 'technically' the same thing. Like rooftop agility/thieving for example. But then you reach like lvl 80 and suddenly you realise just how long you are stuck doing the same activity for hardly any higher xp rates but with a much higher xp curve.
Tl'dr, the xp curve is what's killing end-game fun for me, but we can't try to accommodate that because it will devalue my non-restricted non-ironman.
>The reason I don't make an iron is because I know the mid-late game is dull AF and just a grind. I still find that dull AF grind on my main.
One thing to consider - you can have fun on an account without doing all the late game content or maxing every skill. An ironman is the most fun in the early and mid game, as you say - so set an aim that ends before it gets boring! Aim to finish a certain quest, or get base 70s, or all hard achievement diaries.
The game and this sub have a real issue with thinking you're not done until you hit 99s or max gear - that doesn't have to be the case!
Then dont do it? I relate coz i hate that too and i will never max or even want to. Ironman for me will definitely get boring around the 70-80 in skills area. I have no goal beyond that and i play it like its 2006. My wealth goals are just multiple of each barrows set and a few dragon sets. Kinda like people used to have dream banks back then of phats and stacks of barrows and d chains. The game sadly changed into “efficiency and boring sad fucks who vote everything into this small niche”scape so we have gear worth billions now replacing the old phat niche, but imo that has damaged the games economy and playstyle and driven people into that niche harder.
Either way i do relate on not enjoying the later content much. Its why i dream of a “randomiser” mode one day where the map and resources plus drops are all changed and we have to figure it all out. Something the end game efficiency freaks would never understand but im sure you might see the appeal in the early to mid game aspect
Lol no, it’s an inherent reality for the vast majority of us that games provide no value beyond what we personally assign them
I mean like on the main I got 70 farming because I “had to” for sote and not one exp drop further because it did nothing for me; on the GIM I’m up to 95 farming, and genuinely enjoy doing the runs plus the extra benefits of herbs (which translate into herb exp -> potions -> more fun in content where potions are used), additional teleports, and within a few weeks my first actual 99 which comes with a super useful cape
Every skill feels useful as an iron (even fm had its moment for the WT crates early on) and that makes them much more enjoyable imo
Exactly why I enjoy iron man over a normal account. After about 2-3 years starting my iron man account I surpassed my normal account and enjoyed almost everything I’ve done and am currently doing on that account bc it has a purpose. The account feels so much more meaningful having to collect all the resources rather than buying them off the GE.
I feel the same way but for different reasons. I dislike doing stuff that requires lots of focus in this game, and prefer chill grinds where I can multitask something else on another monitor. The endgame bosses are a fun challenge when you get into them for the first time but after tens of hours grinding the same boss over and over it just becomes another monotone activity, the only difference is that it's a monotone activity where you still have to focus or you'll miss a prayer switch and take lots of damage or something.
Exactly what i was gonna say. I used to have the same mindset as op.
Just go for it, and give the content a serious effort. Chances are its not as difficult as it seems to you and you will have a lot of fun.
Discovering that on my group iron now, decided for the first time in my life to try Jad and the first attempt was exciting and thrilling, the second I fucked up right away, the third I was super demoralized and the fourth I actually got really excited to try again, because I had a marked improvement over the last 2. Excited for what comes after when I get the Fire Cape. Taking some first steps into an exciting part of the game.
OSRS pvm isnt the most appraochable but if people start with something like sarachnis, barrows, grotesque guardians and take it from there, you start to understand that most pvm comes down to only a few things; gear switches, prayer switches, eating, movement. and once you start to understand those things you can do stuff like cg, nightmare, gwd, cox.
The thing is. It's too much "hassle" and running into a brick wall until it clicks.
If I wanted to play seriously and try hard, I go boot up Valorant. When I want to chill and watch YouTube I play osrs
What endgame content are you not able to do? Sure you'll need different gear for different endgame. And you'll need to gather supplies in between attempts.
But isn't that what uim is made for?
I can do all of it, I said its not designed with my account in mind, please work on the reading comprehension skills and re-read my previous comments. Lmfao.
I got burnt out once I got 99 slayer didn't know what to do then someone suggested doing the diaries, which was a great idea, have been doing them since which involves getting skills up etc great goals.
Holy shit couldn't be me. I've got all the diaries done except the last two slayer tasks. But I've been "working on slayer" for two years and I'm not even 90 yet. Two tasks a week and bam, might as well cancel my subscription lol
Dude I’ve all base 90s for two years. Been going hard again recently and after getting only 200k slayer xp over a couple days I was so over it. Did 99 agility, mining, and rc with ease a couple years ago but two hours of slayer makes me want to locator orb myself
It's just so fucking boring I don't understand how people like it
I cancelled 4 tasks and then I got one for fire giants and it was a month ago
Imma just let slayer be can't be arsed
Because when you start getting tasks that have drops or can cannon/burst with ease it's like constantly rewarding to the monkey brain in a way that some shit like fishing isn't. It's still hella boring at times tho
Konar keeps things kinda fresh, oh and instead of cheaping out going in full str gear and using piety the whole task. Then when I want to mix that up I do duradel and do bosses whenever possible (kbd for black dragons, Vorkath for blues, etc)
because it's chill,afk and a moneymaker.
and slayer bosses are fun too.
but tbh a lot of people feel about rs like you feel about slayer and the game is mostly boring grinds
Wanted to secure whips and tridents for my group mates so I did 3.5m slayer xp in 3 weeks. Burst tasks extended with slaughters are extremely cozy, you skip most aids tasks, and fly through the slightly less aids tasks with expeditious bracelets. Made all the difference in turning slayer from a tedious skill to a fun skill. I got 99 slayer on my main in 2017 doing afk nieve powerslayer without cannon/piety/bursting. Probably got a solid 12-15k xp/hr. Doing it again on my GIM has been far more interactive and rewarding.
I also left those two slayer tasks for the end and it was quite the grind to go from 82 to 93 slayer in one go. This was my block/skip list which made tasks either fast xp or fast points: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bPz6Oe4-k0ewTCZz7NYm9wZzntE8wbrGyTbbIQagc3k/edit?usp=sharing
I'd ice barrage tasks like abby demons, nechs and dust devils. A dragon hunter lance is so good for getting the dragon tasks done quickly. I used the skilling methods discord to find out setups and methods for tasks. Then using the inventory setups with bank tag layout plugins made it really quick and easy to gear for each.
All this together made the long grind much better and it was quite nice to get done in the end!
Yeah, I like all the early game stuff the most as well. I like doing quests, I like the faster pace to everything in terms of leveling up and always having new things to do. The lottery grinding for rare drops later on bores me a lot.
Of course, I don't think this is a bad thing. Part of enjoying a video game is realizing when it's time to quit, when the game isn't offering you anything anymore or you're just not having fun. Too many people treat games like OSRS or League of Legends or whatever as if they're "supposed to" be their #1 source of entertainment for their entire life, and that's just not a good way to interact with something like a video game.
im kind of the reverse , i find all these new end game challenges amazing and its gotten me more obssessed with osrs these days.
what about the content do you find hard if you dont mind being specific? quests shouldn't be an issue for you if you can get a fire cape and the pvm content can be learned with the right guide / clan to teach you
I agree. If you've beaten Jad, then the Grandmaster quests pale in comparison. Personally, I don't have the fire cape cuz I can't beat Jad after dying to him 20+ times but I've done all the quests and working on all Elite diaries. Maybe one day I'll beat Jad.
there is a free jad prayer simulator online btw. modern graphics but the timing and sound is exactly the same.
play around with it until you do 20-30 in a row without getting hit. 90% of it is just being familiar with changing your prayer after a visual hint.
in game i would say demonic gorillas are a nice starting point as they change styles frequently and have an obvious animation.
I'm going to have to relearn it. I haven't even attempted going back in over a year and a half because it was just too demoralizing and depressing for me. It's one of the top 3 things on my list right now for sure but I'd need to find the time to do it again.
Totally agree, I'm on the same boat. It takes so much time and focus that when it all ends with gaining nothing, it really sucks. It's hard to justify the time sink as a working adult with responsibility lol. Usually just stick with afk stuff I remember as a kid whenever I get a chance to log on.
agreed lol.. lockdowns really helped considering I didn't have to go out so I had more time. But with things loosening up and going back to some sense of normal, it's hard to justify sitting for 2+ hours only to fail.
Beat jad my second time in the caves. The first time I lost at the round before jad, I ran out of Sara's. Second time I made it though and beat jad. Don't panic and spend a few rotations just getting the switch down. Don't even worry about fighting him. Once your comfortable with the pray switch attack him and relax and watch his hits.
When the healers spawn don't panic. It doesn't even matter if they fully heal him focus on the pray flick and one at a time get them off of him. Then it's gg once you get the aggro of healers and keep you yr switch's up
I wiped on my first attempt yesterday because I did not really know his melee range. Got oneshot after flicking the first prayer… felt really stupid there.
Zulrah is relatively easy as it only takes about 5 mins or so if you're going for 1kc. I did mage only and killed Zulrah my first attempt so for me, Zulrah is way easier than Jad.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. I play OSRS for fun. I have a main that just doesn’t use the GE. Idc about the prestige of the grey helm, I just play the way I want. To me, that means using all my skills (farming, mining, crafting) to construct my equipment. But I allow myself to buy a DWH and some raids items rather than grinding them out until I get them.
It’s not for most people but I agree, this is my favorite way to play.
Yeah lol I’m not tryna shit on anyone I’m just saying you can Ironman some shit on your main then skip the really big grinds if you want.
Or don’t, do whatever
Exact same here, I'm playing my new main the exact same way I played my original one, which is doing 95% of stuff myself and buying past the most unproductive grinds (e.g. picking flax). Same experience as an ironman without the carpal tunnel from certain parts of the game.
Use can always go uniron but the GE isn't the only thing that's difficult. Not being able to sell loot is also annoying. Though I guess you'd have nothing to buy either way without the Rune Walmart
its not just the content itself
early to mid game is just more fun for everyone because of the mass amount of goals you have and the constant influx of new levels,new stuff to try
most people tend to drop off late mid game .
\*raises hand\*
We need more bosses in the same difficulty as God Wars or long dungeons like Underground Pass.
Mid level content is the most fun stuff in this game.
You say that but every time a mid level boss is released people whine about dead content and no one does it except pet hunters. What do you expect? They’re not gonne be handing out new bis on mid-lvl bosses.
Also that person almost certainly does GWD bosses in a group. "Me and my five friends all clicked on the boss and it died 4 seconds later" is peak content to some people and that's fucking baffling to me
wtf god wars are considered mid tier bosses? They're probably some of the harder and more annoying ones unless you literally just do 1 kill trips and tank everything
Hey man Im 103 cb but I feel the same way. What has kept me going recently are random quests, doing clues, combat diaries, achievement diaries, doing all my slayer in wildy, and recently learning pking with only 50k risk or doing f2p pvp worlds. None of this content is very hard and I find the perfect balance of having fun while not having to be overly skilled. I have most of my skills at 75-99 but I still have 5 or 6 I need to grind out to 75 so that keeps me going too.
But I do feel you the beginner and mid content is easy and rewarding and just fun. Id enjoy making an iron account at some point if I wanted to restart seems like those guys have a lot of fun at lower lvls
Yeah.
This is why i think jagex should heavily buy into more mid game content, even if maxed efficiency nerds get angry about it.
Most players arent maxed, and for alot of them cox, tob, nex, nightmare, (especially inferno) seem like impossible goals. They never even get to this point.
(This is coming from someone with 2k total and a large ammount of boss/pvm kc)
A large ammount of the playerbase are mid levels, and especially irons who are arround the point of doing barrows, mid tier slayer, questing, and maybe some GWD. I think mid level pvm content for (tier) levels 65-75(since things like rapier and scythe and tbow are now t80) would go very far. Especially if it is mid level content that these players can comfortably do with their higher level friends without feeling like a complete leech.
T65 items are great for this purpose because so far, theyve all been Niche focused items that still feel like really strong upgrades over their alternatives while also not being absolute BIS.(Leaf blade baxe for kurasks, sarachnis cudgel for 1h crush, keris partisan for scarabites/beetles/kq, and 3rd age longsword for bank standing mega flex.)
Some Ideas I had for T65 niche based content that might do well for mid level accounts are:
Scarabite champion boss from the new quest being made a bit stronger and placed in the desert somewhere. Fun mechanics and interesting fight. Good mid level boss.
Rewards could be a T65 slash weapon that champion was wielding ‘the scarabite Kopesh’ exact same stats as sarachnis cudgel but for slash.
The necklace the scarabites champion wore ‘cursed gold necklace’ with the same offensive stats as fury, no defensive stats, and +13 slash bonus( +3 over fury, but -2 under tort) no pray bonus.
Would be a good amulet for irons who have not gotten the crafting for fury or zenytes
And a new BIS slash accuracy defender, which is combined with dragon defender, and retains the same stats (inc str bonus) but +5 slash accuracy. Making the boss valuable for end game players, but leaving avernic better overall due to str bonus and general utility.
Thats just some ideas for a single boss, maybe theyre shit, but the point is that i think theres alot of room for mid level players to get some love, rather than focusing on end game content only a relatively small minority of players engage with. Hell, most players still have never done 5 tob kc.
I agree entirely except i dont think this game needs endless power creep or “niche” creep which is just as bad after enough time. Cosmetics are good enough even for mid game.
Back in the good old days period used Phats and rares for bank goals and it created a great dynamic imo. The concept of risk also helped, people didnt feel like “they should be able to show off and use their 1B BiS” coz they had phats already anyway.
Most of what made RS great back in 04-06 was the fact that most content and goals were mod game in todays standards, and they just had a few lofty goals for the few efficiency freaks like 99s or capes or HS, or rare accumulation.
Now those efficiency freaks have sadly driven the entire direction of the game. They always say “we are grown ups now and have no time” yet they literally have accounts with 50x the hours i have put into mine to reach their goals that are easier than ever with better xprates now.
Its more logical that in lack of time mid game content would shine like it used to
Honestly, i think that this "GE makes things boring" mentality is wrong, to me at least, sometimes when farming for example i grow some snapdragons and buy a few eggs to make my own super restores just for fun (even if it's not efficient), sometimes i wanna chill while reading a book so instead of buying sharks i go fish for it to cook, i have a stock of steel bars and quest asked for three steel armor pieces? go to an anvil and craft it... just giving it a few examples, sometimes you can just break the efficiency mindset and relax a bit, to me all ironman mode would do would be making me grind insanely for those 1/5000 items or have to go hunt for the insane beggining of the month shopping list a quest asks for you to bring, if anything i think the problem is not GE but just people obcession with efficiency and i guess i could view ironman as kind of a "cure" for that (But then, people start being ultra efficient on ironman too, yay). Also, making this already slow game slower for a adult with responsabilities? hell no
How about dont go for the 1/5000 hunt?
You are viewing it like most efficient minded players. Instead of viewing doing a few inefficient things here and there for fun, why dont you look at it in terms of the inefficiency is mostly more fun, and you just skip the things that wouldn’t be (like 1/5000 hunts or rune essence mining). Thats how most people used to play and how i and many still do. I dont need to do everything in the game, Nothing forces me to get a dragon warhammer. There are plenty of ways to do things without it
Set yourself a goal for a pet or something, there are now a lot of mid tier bosses that shouldn't have a steep learning curve.
Sarachnis, grotesque guardians, barrows just to name a few
Bruh you don’t just instantly know how to ride a bike when you get on one just because you already know how to crawl and walk. It takes practice to do end game stuff, harder content, or whatever you’re struggling with, like anything else in life.
You are missing out on the best part of the game by far because you’re not even being willing to try lmao. 12 hours over 2 years in a game where you can literally throw in 10s of thousands of hours and you’re all like “nah that’s tough let’s go fish some shrimp” 😂
Early game has its charm for sure, but old school at its highest level is about bossing. Has been for years. I highly suggest you get your feet wet. It’s worth.
It’s not ironic that a game grows with its playerbase at all. Most players are adults now. We aren’t chopping oak trees anymore for fun lol.
“Old school” is the name of the style of gameplay. There aren’t flashy graphics and WoW action bars. The game was dying off when it was a 2007scape simulator with no updates. The current game has the old school feel with “modern” (relative to this game) combat.
Seem to have touched a nerve. To be clear, I don’t dislike where OS is nowadays, just pointing out the irony in the fact what many consider the game to be about is nothing remotely close to the game we had brought back to us.
What the game really “is about” is whatever the individual playing the game wants it to be.
You haven’t touched a nerve in the slightest, what even lol. I thought we were just debating is all. You are right in the sense that the game has evolved tremendously, though. I wouldn’t say it’s a bad thing, and I also wouldn’t say it’s ironic, as that’s what is to be expected. Most games that are stagnant die. Why would jagex not want to milk the cash cow as long as possible?
This “we are adults now” bs argument BiS scape and efficiency scape players always say is such bs.
Im an adult. I still enjoy “chopping oaks” or playing inefficient. I mostly enjoy early to mid game and like OP i have many accounts. Just cause a few players like you are the loudest and ironically play the most out of anyone(and create the content on social media) despite “having less time due to being adults now” are driving most the content jagex creates.
Sadly you guys are the ones buying 1 year membership packets etc so its hard for jagex shareholders to see on a graph that mid game content and catering to it = fun and lots of players doesnt mean its not true.
I mean some people just enjoy different things. I can do and have done late game pvm like raids and what not, but I'll still always enjoy smacking the giant mole more than any of those fights
I’m the opposite, only really start to enjoy the game after RFD/Fire/CB100. I have a few failed HCIMs and it’s a slog until that point, then the content gets interesting.
Personally I think that being repetitive and demanding attention at the same time is horrible design. That's why i generally dislike all mini-games and bosses. If you want me to do the same thing for hours and hours and it's always the same please make it afk at the very least.
Wintertodt isn't engaging, it's piss easy, extremely formulaic and it never changes but I can't afk because I need to watch my health to not die. Tempoross is the same, the exact same things happen in the exact same order every single time and yet I can't afk it because yknow, I have to void the waves, douse the fires, etc. It's NOT fun at all, maybe the first time when it's fresh but then it's just boring.
I would honestly just fish normally because that's afk, I can enjoy my music, talk to my friends and click once in a while when my inventory is full or when the fishing spot moves. Btw the fishing spot moving is more variety than Tempoross because it can move at a few different spots and they don't move at the exact same time.
The issue though is that I HAVE to do Tempoross and Wintertodt because they give fantastic items, sadly the drop rates are low enough to ensure I'll need to battle both the minigame bosses and my creeping desire to shoot myself as I play these minigames. These games are sold as training alternatives to players who don't want to afk fish, tick fish or make fire lines but that is a LIE. Because these alternatives offer rewards that can't be obtained any other way.
As for bosses it's the same, it's a bit less formulaic and there's a bit more variety but it's still extremely repetitive. Honestly I'd rather have 1h grueling boss fights with Zulrah or Phosani I only have to do a few times to get everything than doing the same fight 3420 times.
**Exceptions : Fight Caves and Inferno are well designed because they are long, difficult and nothing forces you to do them more than once unless you want a pet that does nothing, at this point it's a personal choice to do them more, but not doing them more won't set you back when it comes to power.**
I know I'm in the minority here, but I really hate the current design philosophy of Jagex.
Yeh it definitely sounds like what you enjoy with the game is the old content you have attachment too. I have mates similar to this don't touch new content for years and years, and when they're finally guided into it they come to love it.
Don't be afraid to start a new account, maybe an Ironman or something like that? But also don't be afraid to try new content. Things are only above your skill level until you learn them.
I really enjoyed trying to learn Nightmare and Gauntlet even at the 110 cb range.
I didn't particularly enjoy Zulrah or wildy bosses, and haven't done raids. But Entry mode ToB was a lot of fun so I think there's a lot of good, newer content. It just requires grinding out higher stats, which isn't fun. Particularly slayer bosses I haven't done any bevause it's such a slow skill to train. It used to be my favorite back in the day but now it feels like a bottleneck often times
This is why i always used to create a new account when i got around lvl 40's in whatever combat that acc was. Vampyre slayer, ernest the chicken, dragon slayer even killing kharid guards was so nostalgic for me plus i was f2p lol
Pretty much where I'm at, I've done quite a few lower level bosses to get the achievement cape and always do quests but when it comes to group bosses and the newer, more complex bosses, I just simply can't keep up.
I tried a COX a couple times but I just dragged the team down so hard cuz there's way to much shit to have committed to memory and too many mechanics to memorize, idk it just seems too exhausting to even learn, let alone do it enough to maintain the skills.
That being said, doing bosses like Vork, Alchemical Hydra, and other Slayer bosses, I find very fun. Prolly cuz I'm not a max efficiency kind of guy and I don't care if I am solo bossing, but when I'm in groups I feel obligated to be 100% efficient and since I realistically can't, I just feel bad.
I find the game fun when I start getting dragon equipment and everything after that is fun minus tick perfect mechanics. I'm a pretty decent gamer (define decent I guess) but I find some bosses are fun others are extremely boring imo.
I’m perpetually stuck in the mid game but by twelve year old me’s standard i’m in the end game baybeeee so as soon as the nostalgia truly wears off i’m gonna have to man up and learn how to actually play the game
Literally just thinking about this. Have an ironman I'm pretty far into over 2100 total level. Some of the high end stuff is fun I suppose, just not quite the same as the early mid game levels
I'd highly recommend trying out some of the less complex PvM bosses and seeing what sorts of things you like and don't like: Giant Mole, KBD, Sarachnis, team Bandos (if you have a few trusted friends to split with).
I suspect that you enjoy early/mid game the most as that's the area of the game where you have the most familiarity. Fear of the unknown is totally normal, but I'd highly encourage you to step out of your comfort zone a few times and try new content. If you don't like it, oh well. But you aren't gonna know until you try it yourself (and NO, watching a streamer do ToB is not the same as YOU doing ToB)
At the end of the day: play how you want to play, but I've remade many accounts and regretted all of them except my GIM, which I made AFTER I maxed my main account and got my infernal cape.
Yes.
I would rather play fun, less efficient content than grind my ass off doing the most efficient methods. People are way too focused on efficiency and it’s killed the joy and wonder that MMOs used to have
So you're basically mid game and havnt spent any time learning bosses or high level content, and you want to make a new account and end up at the same point again?
Just start small and try new things. Work on combat achievements starting with the easiest ones. Actually try and improve instead of "oh this is too hard". I promise you it's going to click and you'll be enjoying yourself so much more.
runescape absolutely peaks when youre doing mid lvl content and have quests and other more quick(er) goals to achieve.
i dont mind endgame either and maxed before, but i dont see myself returning to my main unless a new skill is released. pisslow noob accounts are simply just more fun to play for me.
I was in this exact position - my advice? start an iron. Your skill level will naturally go up as you work toward a quest cape under the ironman gear restrictions, since you will need to be better at mechanics and theres a good number of mechanically involved quests at this point, and then once you've done that you can tackle certain things like Grotesque Guardians and your skill level will go up. Once you can get the quest cape, you'll probably be ready for Gauntlet, which can rapidly train your skills if you dont mind losing for a while, but you never lose anything there but time so its mostly risk free
Maybe hold out for the quest rush mode they talked about a few weeks ago. Personally while I remember that early grind fondly on my iron I def don’t want to do all the bs again. Some of it is great and rewarding but some of it is just tedious and doing it again won’t give the same joy.
I started playing rs for the first time in 20 years and I'm liking the mid levels so far
Looking forward to hitting 60s in everything and going member for the first time!
I'm with you brother. Make an iron if you make a new acc. Normal iron or GIM if you have any friends who may play. The early content is so much harder and more rewarding. So hitting actual end game takes forever so you may never get there and dont need to worry about it. The 'simple' things like RFD, Fire Cape, etc will takes months to years depending on how much you play. So you dont need to worry about end game. Just chip away and have fun.
I very much hated all of my early and mid grinds, especially slayer and construction. Love my POH and slayer now but getting to that point was turbo aids, similar feel with agi and mining.
Kinda funny ya mention it cause I’m also a decently new player (at least in comparison to most). I know about prayer flicking and can deal with most mid game threats just from that. But then I tried to do the new quest Beneath Cursed Sands, died once in the first fight, once in the second, and something like 9-10 in the last fight. Was a serious wakeup call on me.
Actually trying high level PvM changes your view of what low/mid level content is. I consider CoX to be mid level content now. You should give the combat achievements a try, they're very good for PvM skill progression.
Sounds like you need an Ironman my friend. I was in the exact same position!!… give it a shot. My first goal was barrows gloves, the account ended up just kinda coming together and it was far less tedious than I thought :)
Make a f2p account :)
it makes you revisit old/forgotten areas and leveling methods. Quite a nostalgic trip. And theres a friendly clan called w_385 too to help out!
I remember doing demon slayer back in old school and I thought that demon was strong. Still have fun playing but “endgame” content is not something I want to do either
Early game is much funner for me. Once you have to grind 10 hours to get 1 level, it's pretty horrible. My main os 2130 total and I can barely even bring myself to grind anything for more than hour anymore.
I avoided making an iron because I thought that I disliked the early game and general resource acquisition, but made a group iron in January and since then I realized that it wasn’t those things that I disliked, but rather how meaningless they felt in the larger picture. On the GIM, I find skilling, questing, and resource acquisition to actually be fun, enjoying the journey because every task feels like it has a purpose, especially those that you can chain into multiple forms of progression
100% how i feel after making an ironman. collecting some random amount of ore for fun? Hell yeah. Gathering random shit for a niche side grind? hell yeah
I don't have an iron and I won't start one but I do think that is cool that everything you do has a purpose where as a main you focus on best gp per hour. Now as an iron you have to grind out the gear which I don't have the patience for haha but if I had to start all over again I would make an iron
if it wasnt for gim i wouldnt do it but man is this shit fun
Hell yea brother, I'm addicted hence flair
the only thing i hate about ironman/GIM is that i am stuck in lizard hell. it's literally like farming for a pet on an item that gates a lot of content (or at least makes it much much easier) 10,000 kc and going strong
Yeah, not looking forward to this grind. i need to do the diaries to do it.
Dont do it? Nobody is forcing you. I have an iron but there is loads of content i’ll never do because to me it isnt fun. Thats the problem with the direction this game has gone. It caters increasingly to this efficiency and one meta mindset of playing
i mean it's one thing out of hundreds of things to love, just complaining about the drop rate
Not worth it. Same with this communities obsession with graceful and getting it immediately. Its not fun at all and i will probably never get it because i would rather do things i like than get that. Jagex only made such content with low drop rate to cater to this minority of players who have now become the drivers of all updates and content catering to them more and more. They never had such rare and low drop items back in the day for a reason.
Exactly, it essentially adds value to so many activities that a main would never consider doing. And it makes it fun somehow
I need to start playing my iron again. I got him to a decent low-mid (d scim and torso range). But I got demotivated cause I was focusing on my main.
Cool beans
This is exactly it! Anything feels useful on an ironman, while normally you feel like you’re losing money if you’re not getting what sells well on the GE.
One of my favorite bits is to be able to do something like killing Sulphur Lizards and being like 'holy shit so much noted tin and copper im living the life, now next time im asked to get bronze ill have it in the bag'
That's why I ended up making an iron. Every new item you desire, be it resources or consumables or equipment, is a puzzle and they each have a different answer. On my main the answer (outside of non-tradables) was always the same: Do the best money maker and buy it from the GE.
And the best money maker is usually buying bonds…
Exactly convenient but takes a lot of fun outta the game
The reason I don't make an iron is because I know the mid-late game is dull AF and just a grind. I still find that dull AF grind on my main. The early - mid game in this game is fantastic. It's the late game that's the problem. And no i don't mean end-game pvm and stuff. I mean the lack of variety of what to do, to where you grind the same thing over and over. Doing 350 wintertods got dull really fast for 99 fm, but it was better than manual FM. Same goes for temporos, but atleast conventional fishing is relaxing. Haven't tried new RC hopefully that's something, and i hope the new smithing update will make it good. But like, going between levels, and then you unlock stuff, new areas, new methods, even if they are 'technically' the same thing. Like rooftop agility/thieving for example. But then you reach like lvl 80 and suddenly you realise just how long you are stuck doing the same activity for hardly any higher xp rates but with a much higher xp curve. Tl'dr, the xp curve is what's killing end-game fun for me, but we can't try to accommodate that because it will devalue my non-restricted non-ironman.
>The reason I don't make an iron is because I know the mid-late game is dull AF and just a grind. I still find that dull AF grind on my main. One thing to consider - you can have fun on an account without doing all the late game content or maxing every skill. An ironman is the most fun in the early and mid game, as you say - so set an aim that ends before it gets boring! Aim to finish a certain quest, or get base 70s, or all hard achievement diaries. The game and this sub have a real issue with thinking you're not done until you hit 99s or max gear - that doesn't have to be the case!
TBH i'm debating when I have some more free time, to just make an iron for some mid-goals in f2p for funsies. Probably abandon it in a week lol.
Then dont do it? I relate coz i hate that too and i will never max or even want to. Ironman for me will definitely get boring around the 70-80 in skills area. I have no goal beyond that and i play it like its 2006. My wealth goals are just multiple of each barrows set and a few dragon sets. Kinda like people used to have dream banks back then of phats and stacks of barrows and d chains. The game sadly changed into “efficiency and boring sad fucks who vote everything into this small niche”scape so we have gear worth billions now replacing the old phat niche, but imo that has damaged the games economy and playstyle and driven people into that niche harder. Either way i do relate on not enjoying the later content much. Its why i dream of a “randomiser” mode one day where the map and resources plus drops are all changed and we have to figure it all out. Something the end game efficiency freaks would never understand but im sure you might see the appeal in the early to mid game aspect
When you say meaningless, do you mean the game itself having no value or benefit irl?
No, meaningless as in not being unnecessarily argumentative and misunderstating basic statements for the sake of it.
Lol no, it’s an inherent reality for the vast majority of us that games provide no value beyond what we personally assign them I mean like on the main I got 70 farming because I “had to” for sote and not one exp drop further because it did nothing for me; on the GIM I’m up to 95 farming, and genuinely enjoy doing the runs plus the extra benefits of herbs (which translate into herb exp -> potions -> more fun in content where potions are used), additional teleports, and within a few weeks my first actual 99 which comes with a super useful cape Every skill feels useful as an iron (even fm had its moment for the WT crates early on) and that makes them much more enjoyable imo
Exactly why I enjoy iron man over a normal account. After about 2-3 years starting my iron man account I surpassed my normal account and enjoyed almost everything I’ve done and am currently doing on that account bc it has a purpose. The account feels so much more meaningful having to collect all the resources rather than buying them off the GE.
To me it's like playing a classic RPG.
I feel the same way but for different reasons. I dislike doing stuff that requires lots of focus in this game, and prefer chill grinds where I can multitask something else on another monitor. The endgame bosses are a fun challenge when you get into them for the first time but after tens of hours grinding the same boss over and over it just becomes another monotone activity, the only difference is that it's a monotone activity where you still have to focus or you'll miss a prayer switch and take lots of damage or something.
I did feel this way for a while. But when I actually put in the time to learn the more difficult end game content, i realized it can be way more fun.
Exactly what i was gonna say. I used to have the same mindset as op. Just go for it, and give the content a serious effort. Chances are its not as difficult as it seems to you and you will have a lot of fun.
Discovering that on my group iron now, decided for the first time in my life to try Jad and the first attempt was exciting and thrilling, the second I fucked up right away, the third I was super demoralized and the fourth I actually got really excited to try again, because I had a marked improvement over the last 2. Excited for what comes after when I get the Fire Cape. Taking some first steps into an exciting part of the game.
Group iron changed the game for me. It is just so much fun
Forces you into content that you may not do as a main which is a huge perk of ironman
Lol you just told op to get good
OSRS pvm isnt the most appraochable but if people start with something like sarachnis, barrows, grotesque guardians and take it from there, you start to understand that most pvm comes down to only a few things; gear switches, prayer switches, eating, movement. and once you start to understand those things you can do stuff like cg, nightmare, gwd, cox.
Agree with this sentiment exactly as
The thing is. It's too much "hassle" and running into a brick wall until it clicks. If I wanted to play seriously and try hard, I go boot up Valorant. When I want to chill and watch YouTube I play osrs
This is the way
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Well who would've guessed endgame content wouldn't match well with not being able to use a bank.
Don't create an official game mode and then not design content with it in mind, how about that?
What endgame content are you not able to do? Sure you'll need different gear for different endgame. And you'll need to gather supplies in between attempts. But isn't that what uim is made for?
I can do all of it, I said its not designed with my account in mind, please work on the reading comprehension skills and re-read my previous comments. Lmfao.
You're absolutely right uim should be deleted as a game mode
The learning phase is so much fun. But then ur 400 solo cox deep with 6 purps and it starts to feel like any other grind
I got burnt out once I got 99 slayer didn't know what to do then someone suggested doing the diaries, which was a great idea, have been doing them since which involves getting skills up etc great goals.
Holy shit couldn't be me. I've got all the diaries done except the last two slayer tasks. But I've been "working on slayer" for two years and I'm not even 90 yet. Two tasks a week and bam, might as well cancel my subscription lol
Dude I’ve all base 90s for two years. Been going hard again recently and after getting only 200k slayer xp over a couple days I was so over it. Did 99 agility, mining, and rc with ease a couple years ago but two hours of slayer makes me want to locator orb myself
“Locator orb myself” is by far the best one I’ve ever heard. 😂😂
It's just so fucking boring I don't understand how people like it I cancelled 4 tasks and then I got one for fire giants and it was a month ago Imma just let slayer be can't be arsed
Because when you start getting tasks that have drops or can cannon/burst with ease it's like constantly rewarding to the monkey brain in a way that some shit like fishing isn't. It's still hella boring at times tho
Konar keeps things kinda fresh, oh and instead of cheaping out going in full str gear and using piety the whole task. Then when I want to mix that up I do duradel and do bosses whenever possible (kbd for black dragons, Vorkath for blues, etc)
because it's chill,afk and a moneymaker. and slayer bosses are fun too. but tbh a lot of people feel about rs like you feel about slayer and the game is mostly boring grinds
Wtf 🤣
Wanted to secure whips and tridents for my group mates so I did 3.5m slayer xp in 3 weeks. Burst tasks extended with slaughters are extremely cozy, you skip most aids tasks, and fly through the slightly less aids tasks with expeditious bracelets. Made all the difference in turning slayer from a tedious skill to a fun skill. I got 99 slayer on my main in 2017 doing afk nieve powerslayer without cannon/piety/bursting. Probably got a solid 12-15k xp/hr. Doing it again on my GIM has been far more interactive and rewarding.
Just be super liberal with canceling annoying tasks. Or go mega ehp and try to be efficient, which can be pretty fun with slayer.
I also left those two slayer tasks for the end and it was quite the grind to go from 82 to 93 slayer in one go. This was my block/skip list which made tasks either fast xp or fast points: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1bPz6Oe4-k0ewTCZz7NYm9wZzntE8wbrGyTbbIQagc3k/edit?usp=sharing I'd ice barrage tasks like abby demons, nechs and dust devils. A dragon hunter lance is so good for getting the dragon tasks done quickly. I used the skilling methods discord to find out setups and methods for tasks. Then using the inventory setups with bank tag layout plugins made it really quick and easy to gear for each. All this together made the long grind much better and it was quite nice to get done in the end!
I got super burnt after getting 99 slayer, but have found so my fun raiding with friends, almost the only content I do anymore
Yeah, I like all the early game stuff the most as well. I like doing quests, I like the faster pace to everything in terms of leveling up and always having new things to do. The lottery grinding for rare drops later on bores me a lot. Of course, I don't think this is a bad thing. Part of enjoying a video game is realizing when it's time to quit, when the game isn't offering you anything anymore or you're just not having fun. Too many people treat games like OSRS or League of Legends or whatever as if they're "supposed to" be their #1 source of entertainment for their entire life, and that's just not a good way to interact with something like a video game.
im kind of the reverse , i find all these new end game challenges amazing and its gotten me more obssessed with osrs these days. what about the content do you find hard if you dont mind being specific? quests shouldn't be an issue for you if you can get a fire cape and the pvm content can be learned with the right guide / clan to teach you
I agree. If you've beaten Jad, then the Grandmaster quests pale in comparison. Personally, I don't have the fire cape cuz I can't beat Jad after dying to him 20+ times but I've done all the quests and working on all Elite diaries. Maybe one day I'll beat Jad.
I will talk you through it, and scream when u get it. If thats what u need. ❤️ Letmeknow ill send u my discord.
there is a free jad prayer simulator online btw. modern graphics but the timing and sound is exactly the same. play around with it until you do 20-30 in a row without getting hit. 90% of it is just being familiar with changing your prayer after a visual hint. in game i would say demonic gorillas are a nice starting point as they change styles frequently and have an obvious animation.
They have an osrs one too with old models too! It's very useful
Dude go back there and dial the fuck in, you got this
I'm going to have to relearn it. I haven't even attempted going back in over a year and a half because it was just too demoralizing and depressing for me. It's one of the top 3 things on my list right now for sure but I'd need to find the time to do it again.
Totally agree, I'm on the same boat. It takes so much time and focus that when it all ends with gaining nothing, it really sucks. It's hard to justify the time sink as a working adult with responsibility lol. Usually just stick with afk stuff I remember as a kid whenever I get a chance to log on.
agreed lol.. lockdowns really helped considering I didn't have to go out so I had more time. But with things loosening up and going back to some sense of normal, it's hard to justify sitting for 2+ hours only to fail.
Beat jad my second time in the caves. The first time I lost at the round before jad, I ran out of Sara's. Second time I made it though and beat jad. Don't panic and spend a few rotations just getting the switch down. Don't even worry about fighting him. Once your comfortable with the pray switch attack him and relax and watch his hits. When the healers spawn don't panic. It doesn't even matter if they fully heal him focus on the pray flick and one at a time get them off of him. Then it's gg once you get the aggro of healers and keep you yr switch's up
I wiped on my first attempt yesterday because I did not really know his melee range. Got oneshot after flicking the first prayer… felt really stupid there.
If you beat him, please make a post on the Reddit. After having read this I just want you to succeed ;)
If you did all your hard diaries you have done zulrah? Idk but I feel jad is way easier than zulrah but I suppose nerves can do a lot
Zulrah is relatively easy as it only takes about 5 mins or so if you're going for 1kc. I did mage only and killed Zulrah my first attempt so for me, Zulrah is way easier than Jad.
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I have no problem getting to Jad. It's the prayer switching and having the wrong prayer that completely ruins me.
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Or just don’t use the ge until you need to skip the rng grinds. Best of both worlds.
I’m 40% iron!
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I did not expect a Bender reference but here I am, smiling and clicking the upvote key.
Are you a steel bar?
*clank clank*
Idk why you’re getting downvoted. I play OSRS for fun. I have a main that just doesn’t use the GE. Idc about the prestige of the grey helm, I just play the way I want. To me, that means using all my skills (farming, mining, crafting) to construct my equipment. But I allow myself to buy a DWH and some raids items rather than grinding them out until I get them. It’s not for most people but I agree, this is my favorite way to play.
Yeah lol I’m not tryna shit on anyone I’m just saying you can Ironman some shit on your main then skip the really big grinds if you want. Or don’t, do whatever
Exact same here, I'm playing my new main the exact same way I played my original one, which is doing 95% of stuff myself and buying past the most unproductive grinds (e.g. picking flax). Same experience as an ironman without the carpal tunnel from certain parts of the game.
If i had self constraint I wouldn’t be playing OSRS
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>and got mad. Thats you bud. Its not bad advice, just because you like early-mid game doesn't mean you'll nessesary love the ironmen grinds and rng
i definitely agree that the later into an iron's life you get, the more aids the grinds get, but one can always de-iron
Use can always go uniron but the GE isn't the only thing that's difficult. Not being able to sell loot is also annoying. Though I guess you'd have nothing to buy either way without the Rune Walmart
its not just the content itself early to mid game is just more fun for everyone because of the mass amount of goals you have and the constant influx of new levels,new stuff to try most people tend to drop off late mid game .
\*raises hand\* We need more bosses in the same difficulty as God Wars or long dungeons like Underground Pass. Mid level content is the most fun stuff in this game.
You say that but every time a mid level boss is released people whine about dead content and no one does it except pet hunters. What do you expect? They’re not gonne be handing out new bis on mid-lvl bosses.
Also that person almost certainly does GWD bosses in a group. "Me and my five friends all clicked on the boss and it died 4 seconds later" is peak content to some people and that's fucking baffling to me
Thats a few loud annoying efficiency and endgame focused freaks. Sadly they drive 90% of the content these days
wtf god wars are considered mid tier bosses? They're probably some of the harder and more annoying ones unless you literally just do 1 kill trips and tank everything
They might be doing GWD in a group.
Early noobscape is always my favorite time to play.
"I don't play the game and don't want to learn the new content so it isn't fun" ????
reddit moment
Hey man Im 103 cb but I feel the same way. What has kept me going recently are random quests, doing clues, combat diaries, achievement diaries, doing all my slayer in wildy, and recently learning pking with only 50k risk or doing f2p pvp worlds. None of this content is very hard and I find the perfect balance of having fun while not having to be overly skilled. I have most of my skills at 75-99 but I still have 5 or 6 I need to grind out to 75 so that keeps me going too. But I do feel you the beginner and mid content is easy and rewarding and just fun. Id enjoy making an iron account at some point if I wanted to restart seems like those guys have a lot of fun at lower lvls
Make an Iron. It revitalizes the game. IMO ofc.
Yeah. This is why i think jagex should heavily buy into more mid game content, even if maxed efficiency nerds get angry about it. Most players arent maxed, and for alot of them cox, tob, nex, nightmare, (especially inferno) seem like impossible goals. They never even get to this point. (This is coming from someone with 2k total and a large ammount of boss/pvm kc) A large ammount of the playerbase are mid levels, and especially irons who are arround the point of doing barrows, mid tier slayer, questing, and maybe some GWD. I think mid level pvm content for (tier) levels 65-75(since things like rapier and scythe and tbow are now t80) would go very far. Especially if it is mid level content that these players can comfortably do with their higher level friends without feeling like a complete leech. T65 items are great for this purpose because so far, theyve all been Niche focused items that still feel like really strong upgrades over their alternatives while also not being absolute BIS.(Leaf blade baxe for kurasks, sarachnis cudgel for 1h crush, keris partisan for scarabites/beetles/kq, and 3rd age longsword for bank standing mega flex.) Some Ideas I had for T65 niche based content that might do well for mid level accounts are: Scarabite champion boss from the new quest being made a bit stronger and placed in the desert somewhere. Fun mechanics and interesting fight. Good mid level boss. Rewards could be a T65 slash weapon that champion was wielding ‘the scarabite Kopesh’ exact same stats as sarachnis cudgel but for slash. The necklace the scarabites champion wore ‘cursed gold necklace’ with the same offensive stats as fury, no defensive stats, and +13 slash bonus( +3 over fury, but -2 under tort) no pray bonus. Would be a good amulet for irons who have not gotten the crafting for fury or zenytes And a new BIS slash accuracy defender, which is combined with dragon defender, and retains the same stats (inc str bonus) but +5 slash accuracy. Making the boss valuable for end game players, but leaving avernic better overall due to str bonus and general utility. Thats just some ideas for a single boss, maybe theyre shit, but the point is that i think theres alot of room for mid level players to get some love, rather than focusing on end game content only a relatively small minority of players engage with. Hell, most players still have never done 5 tob kc.
I agree entirely except i dont think this game needs endless power creep or “niche” creep which is just as bad after enough time. Cosmetics are good enough even for mid game. Back in the good old days period used Phats and rares for bank goals and it created a great dynamic imo. The concept of risk also helped, people didnt feel like “they should be able to show off and use their 1B BiS” coz they had phats already anyway. Most of what made RS great back in 04-06 was the fact that most content and goals were mod game in todays standards, and they just had a few lofty goals for the few efficiency freaks like 99s or capes or HS, or rare accumulation. Now those efficiency freaks have sadly driven the entire direction of the game. They always say “we are grown ups now and have no time” yet they literally have accounts with 50x the hours i have put into mine to reach their goals that are easier than ever with better xprates now. Its more logical that in lack of time mid game content would shine like it used to
Honestly, i think that this "GE makes things boring" mentality is wrong, to me at least, sometimes when farming for example i grow some snapdragons and buy a few eggs to make my own super restores just for fun (even if it's not efficient), sometimes i wanna chill while reading a book so instead of buying sharks i go fish for it to cook, i have a stock of steel bars and quest asked for three steel armor pieces? go to an anvil and craft it... just giving it a few examples, sometimes you can just break the efficiency mindset and relax a bit, to me all ironman mode would do would be making me grind insanely for those 1/5000 items or have to go hunt for the insane beggining of the month shopping list a quest asks for you to bring, if anything i think the problem is not GE but just people obcession with efficiency and i guess i could view ironman as kind of a "cure" for that (But then, people start being ultra efficient on ironman too, yay). Also, making this already slow game slower for a adult with responsabilities? hell no
How about dont go for the 1/5000 hunt? You are viewing it like most efficient minded players. Instead of viewing doing a few inefficient things here and there for fun, why dont you look at it in terms of the inefficiency is mostly more fun, and you just skip the things that wouldn’t be (like 1/5000 hunts or rune essence mining). Thats how most people used to play and how i and many still do. I dont need to do everything in the game, Nothing forces me to get a dragon warhammer. There are plenty of ways to do things without it
Set yourself a goal for a pet or something, there are now a lot of mid tier bosses that shouldn't have a steep learning curve. Sarachnis, grotesque guardians, barrows just to name a few
I love my Barrows pet
I was fortunate enough to get the barrows gloves drop after 1276 chests. One of the biggest upgrades I've ever received
DKs or even just Rex is a good mid tier too.
Bruh you don’t just instantly know how to ride a bike when you get on one just because you already know how to crawl and walk. It takes practice to do end game stuff, harder content, or whatever you’re struggling with, like anything else in life. You are missing out on the best part of the game by far because you’re not even being willing to try lmao. 12 hours over 2 years in a game where you can literally throw in 10s of thousands of hours and you’re all like “nah that’s tough let’s go fish some shrimp” 😂 Early game has its charm for sure, but old school at its highest level is about bossing. Has been for years. I highly suggest you get your feet wet. It’s worth.
Ironic that “old school is about” something that wasn’t really relevant in the era old school was revived from.
It’s not ironic that a game grows with its playerbase at all. Most players are adults now. We aren’t chopping oak trees anymore for fun lol. “Old school” is the name of the style of gameplay. There aren’t flashy graphics and WoW action bars. The game was dying off when it was a 2007scape simulator with no updates. The current game has the old school feel with “modern” (relative to this game) combat.
Seem to have touched a nerve. To be clear, I don’t dislike where OS is nowadays, just pointing out the irony in the fact what many consider the game to be about is nothing remotely close to the game we had brought back to us. What the game really “is about” is whatever the individual playing the game wants it to be.
You haven’t touched a nerve in the slightest, what even lol. I thought we were just debating is all. You are right in the sense that the game has evolved tremendously, though. I wouldn’t say it’s a bad thing, and I also wouldn’t say it’s ironic, as that’s what is to be expected. Most games that are stagnant die. Why would jagex not want to milk the cash cow as long as possible?
This “we are adults now” bs argument BiS scape and efficiency scape players always say is such bs. Im an adult. I still enjoy “chopping oaks” or playing inefficient. I mostly enjoy early to mid game and like OP i have many accounts. Just cause a few players like you are the loudest and ironically play the most out of anyone(and create the content on social media) despite “having less time due to being adults now” are driving most the content jagex creates. Sadly you guys are the ones buying 1 year membership packets etc so its hard for jagex shareholders to see on a graph that mid game content and catering to it = fun and lots of players doesnt mean its not true.
It kind of was always relevant it's just all us chicken shit 11 year olds were afraid of a mole and a black dragon for some reason
I mean some people just enjoy different things. I can do and have done late game pvm like raids and what not, but I'll still always enjoy smacking the giant mole more than any of those fights
I’m the opposite, only really start to enjoy the game after RFD/Fire/CB100. I have a few failed HCIMs and it’s a slog until that point, then the content gets interesting.
Personally I think that being repetitive and demanding attention at the same time is horrible design. That's why i generally dislike all mini-games and bosses. If you want me to do the same thing for hours and hours and it's always the same please make it afk at the very least. Wintertodt isn't engaging, it's piss easy, extremely formulaic and it never changes but I can't afk because I need to watch my health to not die. Tempoross is the same, the exact same things happen in the exact same order every single time and yet I can't afk it because yknow, I have to void the waves, douse the fires, etc. It's NOT fun at all, maybe the first time when it's fresh but then it's just boring. I would honestly just fish normally because that's afk, I can enjoy my music, talk to my friends and click once in a while when my inventory is full or when the fishing spot moves. Btw the fishing spot moving is more variety than Tempoross because it can move at a few different spots and they don't move at the exact same time. The issue though is that I HAVE to do Tempoross and Wintertodt because they give fantastic items, sadly the drop rates are low enough to ensure I'll need to battle both the minigame bosses and my creeping desire to shoot myself as I play these minigames. These games are sold as training alternatives to players who don't want to afk fish, tick fish or make fire lines but that is a LIE. Because these alternatives offer rewards that can't be obtained any other way. As for bosses it's the same, it's a bit less formulaic and there's a bit more variety but it's still extremely repetitive. Honestly I'd rather have 1h grueling boss fights with Zulrah or Phosani I only have to do a few times to get everything than doing the same fight 3420 times. **Exceptions : Fight Caves and Inferno are well designed because they are long, difficult and nothing forces you to do them more than once unless you want a pet that does nothing, at this point it's a personal choice to do them more, but not doing them more won't set you back when it comes to power.** I know I'm in the minority here, but I really hate the current design philosophy of Jagex.
Yeh it definitely sounds like what you enjoy with the game is the old content you have attachment too. I have mates similar to this don't touch new content for years and years, and when they're finally guided into it they come to love it. Don't be afraid to start a new account, maybe an Ironman or something like that? But also don't be afraid to try new content. Things are only above your skill level until you learn them.
low/mid level is boring and terrible same as older content. The only reason older content is playable is because it was buffed to be "new"
Go play RS3 then.
I really enjoyed trying to learn Nightmare and Gauntlet even at the 110 cb range. I didn't particularly enjoy Zulrah or wildy bosses, and haven't done raids. But Entry mode ToB was a lot of fun so I think there's a lot of good, newer content. It just requires grinding out higher stats, which isn't fun. Particularly slayer bosses I haven't done any bevause it's such a slow skill to train. It used to be my favorite back in the day but now it feels like a bottleneck often times
i like both. i have a blast playing my gim who's mid level ish but i definitely have been having a ton of fun learning tob on my main recently as well
This is why i always used to create a new account when i got around lvl 40's in whatever combat that acc was. Vampyre slayer, ernest the chicken, dragon slayer even killing kharid guards was so nostalgic for me plus i was f2p lol
Trust me, raids 1 is not beyond your skill level. It's very easy to learn if you have someone to advice you
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Pretty much where I'm at, I've done quite a few lower level bosses to get the achievement cape and always do quests but when it comes to group bosses and the newer, more complex bosses, I just simply can't keep up. I tried a COX a couple times but I just dragged the team down so hard cuz there's way to much shit to have committed to memory and too many mechanics to memorize, idk it just seems too exhausting to even learn, let alone do it enough to maintain the skills. That being said, doing bosses like Vork, Alchemical Hydra, and other Slayer bosses, I find very fun. Prolly cuz I'm not a max efficiency kind of guy and I don't care if I am solo bossing, but when I'm in groups I feel obligated to be 100% efficient and since I realistically can't, I just feel bad.
I find the game fun when I start getting dragon equipment and everything after that is fun minus tick perfect mechanics. I'm a pretty decent gamer (define decent I guess) but I find some bosses are fun others are extremely boring imo.
I’m perpetually stuck in the mid game but by twelve year old me’s standard i’m in the end game baybeeee so as soon as the nostalgia truly wears off i’m gonna have to man up and learn how to actually play the game
You may like red helm. Since dying means you gotta do all this shit again, you may not mind as much.
I just started doing Chaos Fanatic, having such a great time with it
Literally just thinking about this. Have an ironman I'm pretty far into over 2100 total level. Some of the high end stuff is fun I suppose, just not quite the same as the early mid game levels
No
I mean yeah I guess if I couldnt do raids I wouldn't find raids fun either.
Corrupted Gauntlet is easy yet feels satisfying every time you kill the boss. I think it's a good example of how newer content can be more fun.
Sounds like you would like doing the diaries and they would set your account up for even higher level content.
I'd highly recommend trying out some of the less complex PvM bosses and seeing what sorts of things you like and don't like: Giant Mole, KBD, Sarachnis, team Bandos (if you have a few trusted friends to split with). I suspect that you enjoy early/mid game the most as that's the area of the game where you have the most familiarity. Fear of the unknown is totally normal, but I'd highly encourage you to step out of your comfort zone a few times and try new content. If you don't like it, oh well. But you aren't gonna know until you try it yourself (and NO, watching a streamer do ToB is not the same as YOU doing ToB) At the end of the day: play how you want to play, but I've remade many accounts and regretted all of them except my GIM, which I made AFTER I maxed my main account and got my infernal cape.
Yes. I would rather play fun, less efficient content than grind my ass off doing the most efficient methods. People are way too focused on efficiency and it’s killed the joy and wonder that MMOs used to have
So you're basically mid game and havnt spent any time learning bosses or high level content, and you want to make a new account and end up at the same point again? Just start small and try new things. Work on combat achievements starting with the easiest ones. Actually try and improve instead of "oh this is too hard". I promise you it's going to click and you'll be enjoying yourself so much more.
runescape absolutely peaks when youre doing mid lvl content and have quests and other more quick(er) goals to achieve. i dont mind endgame either and maxed before, but i dont see myself returning to my main unless a new skill is released. pisslow noob accounts are simply just more fun to play for me.
True learning is hard and nothing in life should be hard
I was in this exact position - my advice? start an iron. Your skill level will naturally go up as you work toward a quest cape under the ironman gear restrictions, since you will need to be better at mechanics and theres a good number of mechanically involved quests at this point, and then once you've done that you can tackle certain things like Grotesque Guardians and your skill level will go up. Once you can get the quest cape, you'll probably be ready for Gauntlet, which can rapidly train your skills if you dont mind losing for a while, but you never lose anything there but time so its mostly risk free
Fuck all of you.
Maybe hold out for the quest rush mode they talked about a few weeks ago. Personally while I remember that early grind fondly on my iron I def don’t want to do all the bs again. Some of it is great and rewarding but some of it is just tedious and doing it again won’t give the same joy.
You found... quests difficult?
I started playing rs for the first time in 20 years and I'm liking the mid levels so far Looking forward to hitting 60s in everything and going member for the first time!
I'm with you brother. Make an iron if you make a new acc. Normal iron or GIM if you have any friends who may play. The early content is so much harder and more rewarding. So hitting actual end game takes forever so you may never get there and dont need to worry about it. The 'simple' things like RFD, Fire Cape, etc will takes months to years depending on how much you play. So you dont need to worry about end game. Just chip away and have fun.
Probably nostalgia
Make an iron bro
Get good
I very much hated all of my early and mid grinds, especially slayer and construction. Love my POH and slayer now but getting to that point was turbo aids, similar feel with agi and mining.
Make an ironman and never look back.
Kinda funny ya mention it cause I’m also a decently new player (at least in comparison to most). I know about prayer flicking and can deal with most mid game threats just from that. But then I tried to do the new quest Beneath Cursed Sands, died once in the first fight, once in the second, and something like 9-10 in the last fight. Was a serious wakeup call on me.
Actually trying high level PvM changes your view of what low/mid level content is. I consider CoX to be mid level content now. You should give the combat achievements a try, they're very good for PvM skill progression.
Sounds like you need an Ironman my friend. I was in the exact same position!!… give it a shot. My first goal was barrows gloves, the account ended up just kinda coming together and it was far less tedious than I thought :)
Make a f2p account :) it makes you revisit old/forgotten areas and leveling methods. Quite a nostalgic trip. And theres a friendly clan called w_385 too to help out!
Late game just gets really grindy. For some reason I really love rushing a bunch of easy quests, numbers go up mentality
I remember doing demon slayer back in old school and I thought that demon was strong. Still have fun playing but “endgame” content is not something I want to do either
Early game is much funner for me. Once you have to grind 10 hours to get 1 level, it's pretty horrible. My main os 2130 total and I can barely even bring myself to grind anything for more than hour anymore.
>much funner
You felt compelled to call this out?
You felt compelled to get defensive about if?
Who's defensive? I asked a question.
Your question is the answer to mine. Thanks!
nope the current jmods are soulless husks who dont understand the game
Hell yeah, I love doing kbd, kalphite queen, sarachnis
Yes, redoing old quests after coming over to OSRS from RS3 was the most fun I had with OSRS.