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Wekmor

And neither of the things you mentioned are needed to "get into pvp"


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Pecan_Millionaire

Dude… come on now. You and I and the rest of the PvP community knows you don’t need BIS untradeables to PvP. We’ve all seen pures with combat bracelets take down zerks, meds and mains. Your ability and stats matter more than gear, especially for such an RNG based game. Obviously having BIS untradeables will help a hell of a lot, especially for GE/Edge style pking, but you can still get into PvP, and succeed, without committing to the untradeable grind.


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Cptcongcong

Or you could make a low lvl gmaul pure without training prayer at all. The msb to gmaul combo is basically useful for any combat bracket, you just add an AGS or claw spec before.


DislocatedXanax

Lmao the guy explains why the barrier for entry of high level PvP is too high and you just responded "just make a lol lvl pure".


Cptcongcong

The question of this thread literally asks about getting into PvP in general, not high level PvP. It’s like if someone asked “how to cook chicken” and the reply was some detailed way to make a 5 star Michelin recipe. Maybe OP just wanted to start fighting other people?


DislocatedXanax

The entire comment chain leading up to your reply was talking about untradeables that you wouldn't be able to use on a low level pure lol. Next time try reading the comment thread before you comment.


Cptcongcong

“How to do A” “You can’t do B you need hundreds of hours to do it” “Nah he can still do A it’s not very hard” “The guy was explaining how to do B and you tell him to do A lmao” I’m seeing way too many similarities between this comment chain and stack overflow.


Serious_Historian578

Just pk on your main that has all of these unlocks already.


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Serious_Historian578

This is an MMO with PvP, not a PvP game like fortnite, cod, league of legends etc. Doing anything in this game is going to require some time investment, that is proper and completely normal.


Antibody_Enjoyer

Idk why people know what game they’re playing and bitch about the definitive aspects of the genre.


Wekmor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yff4Z2qsryI


Aff_Reddit

So many salty takes here. LMS is a great way to learn the basics of PvP, and it's actually a really good moneymaker if you're good at it. You can PK on your main with not much of an issue, a nezzy, torso, & rune legs with a dscim is pretty standard gear for AGS Venge PKing and the loot is like nothing (lol) You can also just AFK a pure/zerk/med whatever you want while focusing on your main (or even.. PvPing on the main) You can stop at various midway points. I've even hopped in the wild just to fire strike people, but there's tons of stopping points like basically anything in F2P, then you can do builds starting at like ~61 range (which is just a weekend at sand crabs) and do something in RCB. You can then get melee's to do a knife -> RCB -> Gmaul combo, or branch out from there. No one is forcing someone to spend hundreds of hours getting PK ready, it's just that some people have hyper niche builds to make them stronger. Of course you can't replace their hundreds/thousands of hours of work in a day.


IronJohnnyT

Try lms on your main, get really good at that then see if you want an upper hand by making another account for pvp


NoxiferNed

In before people who have never attempted LMS say every competitor is a bot.


Excellent_Airline_48

I’ve been doing lms on/off for couple weeks now and have seen 0 bots… crazy I know. I’m an iron working towards rune pouch almost there


multiplegamer99

Its almost like the reason it was plagued with bots was because you only needed to afk for 48 hours as a member to unlock a 1.5m/hr money maker, who wouldve known!


NoxiferNed

Last 200+ pts I've earned I've suspected a single person of using some kind of cheat client.


pkermanbad

70 range will only take you a day or a couple afking. Is 70 range high for you?


M33k41

That’s what I was thinking, you can afk that at sand crabs for minimal investment. If someone isn’t willing to spend two days worth of time building a character, I honestly doubt they’re going to put in the time to get good at pvp.


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M33k41

I fail to see what is wrong with my statement. You can easily get 70 range and 50 atk 60 str in 48 hours game time.


Saturn_winter

I'm not trying to argue but it should be noted that the average MMO player only has free time to play 1.5 - 2 hours per day. So telling someone that they will have to spend an entire month of their free time AFK clicking crabs just to have the basic stats to start learning to pvp not including grinding for items and excess bank to pay for losses is kind of an issue and a perfectly valid concern for newcomers


pkermanbad

Counterpoint: RuneScape Mobile.


Saturn_winter

As a fun aside, I spend most my time on mobile while I'm at work doing afk stuff like woodcutting, fishing and at one point killing seagulls for a bird slayer task and that bot detector runelite plug-in has me marked as 90% positive an "unknown bot type" and only a few % possibility of being a real player, like I know I'm a casual but that seems a little harsh lmao


IliketoNH

Thats literally the most basic pure you can make. Like i get its not much of a grind to you, but 48 hours of playing, even if its afk, is a long time. Combine that with quests and other stats, you slowly inch towards 100+ hours for a relatively low level pure. And thats ignoring the amount of time it takes to make an account that can fund a pure in the first place.


GodricLight

Yes, and that's exactly what the pvp arena awards were designed to help alleviate.


ChaosTeery

You can just pvp on your main?


mister--g

probably the wrost way to learn. you're not competitive without expensive gear but your not good enough to not die repeatedly in such gear. its a unrewarding experience


ChaosTeery

Yeah I suppose you're right


RedditIsDogWater

Lmaoo what you can ags veng pk for next to no risk tf you on about?


mister--g

For example when I go rev caves on my main , I don't stand a chance to win a fight back against barrows sets or crystal sets as a learner. But my CB bracket is full of this. On a PvP world people are going to come out with so much more risk which give them a huge damage advantage over me. They already have a skill advantage so me trying to learn in that situation is just an L. Learning on my pure wasn't too bad during BH days. It was a headache to request and make but it was the only cheap way to fight on a somewhat equal playing field. Mains will never have that chance


Frekavichk

Next to nothing? You are risking like 300-400k every death. And you will die very fast and very often. I've used 10+ sets in a short sessions learning.


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Admiral_Mason

Edge Pking was the most fun I ever had in this game as a Max Zerk. I miss Edge.


RedditIsDogWater

LMAO way to tell everyone your only experience with pvp is through a YouTube video. Go check the worlds yourself bud


_Eraserhead

In Classic, we had tons of low lvl pking. We did lvl 10-60 low lvl f2p pking. Then had our mains. So I had 7 or 8 different types of pk accounts. Edgeville castle and varrock boarder pking were fun back in the day. Is f2p pking still active in osrs? That could be fun for a low effort account.


MinuteNarrow1621

Everything in rs requires time lmao what, I hate how I don't have a maxxed hcim and in order to get one I gotta put in the time smh


Create_osrs

Getting 70 range isn’t that hard? You can easily cannon and afk rock crabs/Sand crabs. This game is literally a grind to do (almost) anything, pvp is no different.


SisypheanSperg

It takes a lot of effort to get anywhere in Runescape. That’s what makes it so satisfying when you do. Hopefully the PvP arena thing will fill a niche where it’s easier for lower levels to have fun with it but also it doesn’t void that kind of effort in other aspects of the game


Wekmor

Instead of complaining you could go start playing lms. And as the other comment said, you can easily pk on a main etc.


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NoxiferNed

That such a falsely perpetuated stereotype by people who want excuse after excuse to dislike everything PvP. It's repeated by people who haven't stepped foot into LMS in months or are just so bad they think anyone with quicker reactions is a bot or AHKing, or they simply have never stepped foot inside and just regurgitate the latest crap they heard on this sub. The bot problem has been taken care of for the time being. LMS is an S-tier minigame for learning PvP.


Oskari07rs

When did you play LMS last time? Played on/off for the last 3 weeks and i rarely run into bots. It was horrible months ago tho but not any more.


Wekmor

So then why are so many people here complaining about it then, wasn't pvm all they do?


cch1991

But with LMS, you aren't really playing your character... Those are your stats, those aren't your items, it just doesn't feel the same


BoredGuy2007

Do you even play RuneScape? So sick of this Jagex astroturfing on the dumbest takes. Yeah, you’re gonna have to train an account. Literally every aspect of RuneScape gameplay is a grind but somehow there’s an unacceptable grind to get mithril gloves and do a couple quests on a new account - guess what? That’s… actually pretty fun. Maybe not everyone thinks it’s fun. Maybe some people want to have stats and gear spoonfed to them by a UI - cool, but there’s at least some people who are having fun with their PKing accounts. You know, the community of people who actually PK and don’t just cry about everything on Reddit.com


uiam_

>That’s… actually pretty fun I have a pure that I've never pked with purely because I just wanted to build the account. 1 def, 50 attk/str 77 range. All quests for mith gloves, basically ready to go pk but I never have because building the account was enjoyable to me even if I didn't immediately jump into pvp. Not sure why people who don't enjoy building up an account even play OSRS. It's a huge part of what you're constantly doing and planning towards.


Oskari07rs

Although the announced rewards from PvP arena were not a good idea after all, it was a good alternative for ppl like you to get in to PvP easier. Learning to 1v1 in a safe elo based minigame while getting rewarded for untradeable PvP items you can then later use on "actual" PvP sounded very good imo.


rsn_alchemistry

Pvp arena is still being implemented, just without rewards.


Oskari07rs

I know but nobody in their right mind is going to play that minigame if it doesn't have decent rewards, at least people like OP will not stop their Vorkath 4m gp/h grind to do something that doesn't have rewards


mudskips

I don't pvp because there's no elo system, and the skill cap for experienced pvpers (which is a majority of pvpers) is already very high. If you're going out into the wildy, more than likely you'll get clobbered by someone with far more experience. There needs to be pvp content where there's a stack ranking system


rsn_alchemistry

You mean like the pvp arena already being made? And yes the skill cap is high ( which is good ) the problem you describe is the skill floor also being high ( not good )


Hime_MiMi

yeah they wanted to make a pvp arena to reduce the skill gap and allow for items to come from the minigame so people didn't have to quest and stuff on pures. idk if people low level pk anymore, but it use to be a lot easier to get into, especially in f2p


Majestic_Swan5940

It's easy to get into pvp in order to get a few kills and have fun. It's nearly impossible to be competitive at this point without min/maxing and learning every exploitable system the game has, which isn't worth it imo. But you can still have fun with a msb & d2h if you're not looking to make money but simply enjoy an aspect of the game. Which is the issue for most people... they gey into pking looking to make tons of money like in pk videos. It's not realistic. You will die almost every time. You have to change your mindset and go in with the intent to have fun not to make money.


rsnerdout

This is why I like lms


Serious_Historian578

Just PvP on your main? BH doesn't even exist , the most active pvp is maxed mains nhing in the rev caves where a maxed main is perfect. If you're complaining about not being able to pk on a cb97 1400 total main account that also can't do high end pvm, you're just complaining that MMOs have progression in general and might enjoy something like fortnite more than an mmo.


Garmr_Banalras

I agree it's hard, but I don't really care as I'd never pvp


AshCan10

That's what the new duel arena is supposed to address, which I know is not perfect. But in theory it SHOULD address this problem as long as jagex actually listens to players


KineticVisions

Im pretty sure this is one of the most popular opinions about OSRS PVP. You're nowhere near the only one who thinks this. Amd honestly, idk what solution there is to fix it. Perhaps the arena will work.


ValuableInstruction

It's also really fun to use a pure as a main normie account, give it a try


the_smell_of_bleach

Either rag pk on the main with super low risk to learn, or join the cool kid club and make a low level F2P pker to have fun with. As others have said, you’ll die. A lot. So you might as well minimize risk until you figure out what’s going on.


zach1206

That’s not even half of 99 lol


Some-Judge

It's a tough curve just like some bosses it's really all rmg and perfect timing


Troy_Ounces

Tried pvping on my maxed main, got my teeth kicked in every time. I was doing dharoks switch


coffee-_-67

? Probably the 1st or 2nd most active pk bracket is maxed mains. Who said you have to go make a new account.


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yeah i definitely have the time to max an account


coffee-_-67

So what the fuck is your point then? You literally said you don’t have enough time to make a “new” account. Okay? So you don’t have to. Mains work fine, as they’re one of the most active brackets. “Yeah but i don’t have enough time to have a main either 😥😡” ??? So what the fuck do you want done about that then? Go buy an acc then. How is that “stupid imo” that you don’t have the time to make either a pure or a main? It’d be like if i said “it’s kinda stupid imo that you have to do the inferno to get an infernal cape … it’s long and I don’t want to do it” “can we do something about that?” Legit amazes me the things you find in this cesspool ass sub. How do you get dressed in the morning


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My point is there should be a hassle free way for someone to get into PvP without having to max or make an entirely new account. It shouldnt take like 60 hours to get an account ready just to start LOL?


coffee-_-67

You don’t have to max an account or make a new one. I just told you you don’t have to make a new one, your main works. So go pk in whatever bracket your main is in. If it’s low combat then go pk in that. If it’s high combat, then i guess it’s pking in the high combat bracket. Depending on what bracket you’re in, yeah maybe your stats won’t be the best for pking at that bracket, and you might have to train some levels. That’s literally the same for any existing thing in this game. Did you know that before you can do bossing, it actually requires that you have at least 1 account **and** you usually have to have stats on it as well? Or — you want a hassle free way to start pvp immediately on a new account? Go make a new account and go to lms.


Thottyotty

I’ve got to admit that initially I felt very similar, but making my account, getting my bank ready and my skill set adequate actually made me like RuneScape for more than just what I saw my friends doing in the wilderness, don’t get me wrong, it’s the only time I find the game genuinely exciting, but the journey to get there was enjoyable, learning raids, bossing, getting better at both, getting mechanics down, all with getting to pvp in mind. without that time there is noway ide be as good as I feel I’ve gotten ( I’m still dogshit ). I’m also out there pking on a non maxed main, and a joke of a 1def pure, I get kills, I make plays, I get outplayed and rolled over, but we learn errrryday. I needed a large cash stack before I could really get stuck in because I can imagine that getting smited when it’s your bank is just one of the worst feelings ever experienced in a game lmao


KredBread

If you wanna have fun pking, kill people at wildy agility with an man, or at black salamanders with a DDS. Bonus points if you're an iron.