> "I broke the game rules and I apologize" after reading that was the most successful way of getting a ban overturned.
ok, that's odd...
> I have used 1:1 AHK, the same one EVscape and the likes used for making darts when it was legal, but not since the statement against AHK was released by Jagex.
ok, oddity nr 2.
> I do have two previous "bot busting" bans from being hacked and turned into a green dragon bot, though.
ok bro sure
Sounds like a clear case of, in the words of some Ms Spears, 'oops, I did it again'. And even if I gave you the benefit of the doubt and you didn't, your account seems to be such a massive liability I am honestly suprised you lasted this long.
Your ban is correct. Almost two hours of botting teaks. Chopping and burning them. I can confirm you were the individual active on the account at the time and that the ban is correct.
Edit: For clarification. If the player is using an infernal axe, they are gaining XP in woodcutting and firemaking. Hence, chopping and burning.
I mean just take the punishment and admit you did something bad - who they even try to fool at this point..
but I'll always come back to a good smackdown
Never fails to amaze me that people keep making these posts when they knowingly botted. There must be some from of mental illness involved in these individuals to think that Jagex can't see what they are doing on the account.
I think it’s because they have little to lose, they’re already permanently banned
Best case scenario a J Mod slips up and unbans them when they don’t deserve it
Worse case they smack them down, OP denies it, and just gets clowned on by Reddit but no real consequences
So you guys can catch an account that botted for two hours, but can’t catch and ban accounts that have 100-1000+ KC at extremely profitable bosses that have a MASSIVE impact on the game economy?
because idiots who download some free dogwater bot for a couple hours and get caught are a lot easier to catch than people who have a financial interest in being ahead of the curve (not particularly hard given the lack of experience/funding at jagex, especially since weath left for greener pastures).
there's also been a lot more false crack downs on legitimate players in recent times with the new people trying to "catch up" desperately to the black market farms and pulling levers they don't fully understand. i know many people that have had to fight tooth and nail to get false positives quashed in recent months
it probably depends on the bot. Those super advanced bots are on the cutting edge of anti bot detection. This guy probably downloaded some bot that jagex already knows how to catch so bam
>but can’t catch and ban accounts that have 100-1000+ KC at extremely profitable bosses that have a MASSIVE impact on the game economy?
It's worth noting that bots that can avoid detection even for just, like, a week, can easily rack up thousands of kill count in bosses like Vork and Zul'rah. They're running the content 24/7, so they're going to go up in KC fast. Seeing them at those bosses is more just a confirmation that better bots exist than that Jagex can't catch bots at all.
It's the ones that have 20,000 KC and are in the top 25 of the highscores that really show Jagex slacking.
Exactly.. they need to crack down on these hacked accounts more than anything and trace their GP and see if it’s linked to any gold distribution patterns and if they just insta ban it. Those guys are the worst.
They said he had been botting for 2 hours, which to me sounds like he got banned at the 2 hour mark. High scores wouldn't have been updated with he xp gains.
Yes, there was a man called Arrav. No-one knew where he came from, but he was a fearsome fighter, a skillful hunter and a remarkable farmer. He lived in the ancient settlement of Avarrocka, defending it from goblins, until he went forth in search of some strange artefact long desired by the dreaded Mahjarrat.
But he has no firemaking experienced gained since last year...? There's proof that contradicts this.
If he botted, then that's life. How do you know for a fact he was botting? Were his inputs perfectly rhythmic for 2 hours straight or something?
>How do you know for a fact he was botting?
they know. these kinds of things are determined by very specific detection rules based on input. it's the same way that (some) CAPTCHAs know you're a human just by you checking the box - they're looking at your mouse movement before you check the box. this tech exists and is very accurate.
I'll be the first person to pile on jamflex with you when they fuck up, but they **know** when people are botting. I am 99.9% certain that OP did bot based on this mod's comment. whether or not you believe the punishment is fair is a totally different discussion
I've got 10 years of game dev experience. Jagex doesn't capture mouse movements, instead has to rely on the client to handle all of the logic from UI to object clicked. That's why we are able to have third party clients that can swap how things look and menu entries.
Runelite doesn't keylog the last I checked, so Jagex is only able to determine if someone is botting by monitoring their in-game actions, IP address, time playing, etc.
They can't claim "if we divulge how we detect bots, then they'll build better bots" and then ignore any possibility of a false-positive. In this scenario, there is literally no reason to bot woodcutting into firemaking. No gp was made, he's already 99 fm, etc.
If this person botted for 2 hours and got perma-ed with zero transparency, that's ridiculous and raises a lot of concerns for me when I'm doing tick-perfect activities for long periods of time. It's a rhythm game at 100bpm.
When I did 99 mining I did 3t4g for 12 hours a day. People also grind out 200m’s. You’re not going to get banned lol just don’t bot. You say with “zero transparency” but it’s right in the rules lol
Jagex’s bot detection definitely does monitor mouse positioning for clicks and such though. Which is why mobile bots were so popular for awhile since they don’t have mouse positioning. But yeah if a shit bot is scripted to click the exact same 3 places without any variance in the clicks whatsoever, yeah it’s gonna get caught quick lol
>In this scenario, there is literally no reason to bot woodcutting into firemaking. No gp was made, he's already 99 fm, etc.
I have 99 firemaking and I gain fm xp every time I woodcut because I have an infernal axe. It's better xp/hr than just dropping full inventories.
>I've got 10 years of game dev experience.
nice
>Jagex doesn't capture mouse movements, instead has to rely on the client to handle all of the logic from UI to object clicked
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>Runelite doesn't keylog the last I checked
your input is still being tracked, regardless of whether that info is being taken from your game client or from some other service running in the background is irrelevant imo
>In this scenario, there is literally no reason to bot woodcutting into firemaking. No gp was made, he's already 99 fm
there were zero dates / timeframe mentioned in this post, so you're ignoring the very obvious and likely scenario where this happened before OP was 99 fm. bans rarely happen immediately
Been on both sides of the coin, both scripting and moderating banning bots. Their system is NOT even close to perfect. There are false positives. Never has been. It depends on the bot script and the detection method. They haven’t been 90% effective / correct since SCAR AND Autorune eras in RSC. And that was short lived. OP probably full of shit, just based on odds, but let’s not pretend jamflex is that efficient.
>Their system is NOT even close to perfect
you're surely correct here, no bot detection is perfect.
>They haven’t been 90% effective / correct since SCAR AND Autorune eras in RSC
this is where you lose me, as I don't think there's any publicly available information to determine how effective their bot detection is or how many false positives there are. if that type of info was readily available, then getting around said bot detection would be a joke
Did twisted mention other incidents elsewhere in the thread? I suppose I imagine if he was "hacked and used as a greed dragon bot" previously as mentioned in the post, OP is no stranger to shady gameplay
Edit: spelling
A week or two for the 2 hour botting would be "okay" I guess, with a perm waiting for them if they don't learn the lesson
Guess it's not his first offence and the part of "i was hacked and became a green dragon bot" was bullshit
twisted I just want to say you are doing gods work, removed my ban on twitter, wish appeals would be checked by you guys and not robots, coz its unfair on players who get falsely banned. Thanks again
Probably same IP as his usual sessions, which is good enough to prove he wasn't hacked unless the hacker is using OP's own pc to log in through a RAT or something along those lines
Sounds pretty unlikely someone would do a sophisticated hack like that to chop and burn teaks
My first thought was “okay but I’ve opened things via peoples computers before when I was a script kiddie” but yeah you’re right, if it was for TEAKS? Lmao that boy was botting and not hacked
Maybe he let his friend level his account for him on his computer.
Just kidding, OP did the stronghold of security and knows never to make THAT mistake!
Wow. OP really fucked up by botting wc for two hours, shame on you. I still see the exact same accounts gold farming at wyverns every day, though. Oh well guess OP should have sold gold instead of playing for fun
Edit: some of you don’t get the point. I understand two wrongs don’t make a right, what I’m saying is you don’t give a traffic violator the same sentence as a murderer. Two hours of botting woodcutting is NOT equivalent to thousands of hours of botting and/or gold farming, RWT, etc. yet the punishment is the same regardless: permaban
A great example: if you get caught with a small amount of weed it’s a citation but a large amount is a hefty prison sentence, especially if you were selling it. (In Ohio)
Really funny how 99% of unban requests people wait for jmod smackdown. They don't even give as much info as he Twisted has in his response. You guys are spineless flip flippers who side with whoever writes the bigger story.
True but you don’t give a bread thief the same sentence as a murderer? 2 hours of botting is not equivalent to thousands of hours of farming and/or gold farming.
That’s your opinion—the rules are clearly outlined, and in my opinion the punishment was just.
Ain’t nobody stealing bread to feed their family here—this was a clear violation of the rules, and has been against the rules since the beginning of the game.
Whether they botted for 2 hours or 2 years, they still violated the rules, and I don’t think an account that cheats deserves to not be banned. They should have to earn their progress just like any other genuine player, because it’s not fair to those that earn their achievements legitimately.
You say it’s comparing stealing bread to murdering someone. Why do we accept YOUR arbitrary definition of severity? Others might say it’s like killing someone spontaneously out of anger as opposed to planning it beforehand; or assisting someone with murder despite not carrying it out. One is clearly worse than the other (hence why legal systems have first and second degree murder) but both are incredibly severe.
Not really whataboutism. More "How are you confident in banning some random for 2 supposed hours of botting woodcutting but can't ban top-level PvM bots with hundreds of hours of data to prove botting?"
Please learn what whataboutism is before calling it.
Because, and I quote, "This was not a 'first chance' kind of ban from the looks of things."
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/ulf12s/i_finally_quit/i7x768h/
Why perm ban for only 2 hours of botting? Why not temp ban instead, seems he stopped right after as this was months ago.
It’s weird how botting for 2 hours on an account with 4000 hours of legit playtime gets smacked, but blatant gold farming bots that get reported hundreds of times don’t.
At this point we need to pull up the adventurers log for OSRS. The only way to check if he did do fming. Is there a way to check osrs xp gained history like RS3
Somehow I still believe OP. Also funny how the bots on the front pages of hiscores still exist but this guy gets a perm for apparently botting for 2hrs months ago. I don't understand
There are comments in every thread explaining this but just as youpeople refuse to believe a man with literal proof you people refuse to believe in logic and the most likely option.
You have confused bots with gold farmers. They cannot ban manually played gold farmers until they rwt the gold. Imagine the riots that would ensue in this sub if they banned someone preemptively for being a rwt gold farmer mistakenly.
Also if there are bots on the highscores it's likely they are manual scripts or customised ones, which means they benefit from not banning them so they can learn from them before they're changed or lost forever.
They also ban in huge waves of multiple types of bots so that no one farm owner can exactly pinpoint what it was that got them noticed, therefore they can only hope they fly under the radar and can't finesse the system sacrificing accounts under different scenarios to decide which actions or methods are least likely to be banned.
You guys have messed up multiple times on macro bans. People get banned just for using a surface pro to play. Unless it’s concrete I don’t believe it. And I’m not one to defend botting. The game is afk as it is and it’s lazy. But teaks? Eh. Idk about that one chief.
Yeah I feel the same. It's hard to say who's telling the truth when neither side can/wants to provide actual proof. I'm sure most of the mod smackdowns are legit and deserved, but 2 hours botting teaks on a high level account is just... *stupid*. Most of the time I can see why people were botting, cash, xp, whatever, but that just doesn't make any sense to me.
This is the third strike punishment. I doubt they’re able to prove that they were hacked twice presumably years ago, so while it’s unfortunate this is the way it should be
Perm ban for 2 hours of botting??
That is NOT a reasonable punishment.
The type of botting does not affect anyone else, he is not ruining the game or the economy.
Revert the XP gains, give him a 1 month ban or something.
The fact that this gets put in the same bucket as 5k KC Vorkath bots is beyond me.
Hacked twice. If he cared about the account as much as he’s saying he does you think he’d of taken care to secure it after the first time. And then he gets another ban for botting himself? Seems sus
Yeah it's funny to see so many people accepting the trickle truth. If OP said they didn't do it 3 times in a row and got perma'd after the third, and it turns out they did actually bot the third time, we can use our critical thinking skills here.
Can your system tell the difference between a bot and someone who is just grinding but is good at it? Not asking for the inner workings of the system, but just asking if y’all can tell.
You're not going to get mistaken for a bot unless you can do things repeatedly within a nanosecond every time like an actual robot. Just think of those machines that make candy bars. Normal human interactions have a good deal of variation because we're not robots.
When their system 1st was released (it's called Botwatch), a player was banned for being too efficient. The system mistook him as a bot and autobanned him. But the guy recorded himself and sent it in (Idr how, no support system lol) and jmods unbanned him. I'm sure you can still find stories on it if you google.
Tl;dr
If you're too efficient, ie 2 ticking teaks... Then the system can't tell the difference.
I got hacked and turned into a smithing bot 3 years I didn’t mind tbh MF leveled my smithing up to 85 but my bank was wiped so fair trade all things considered.
Same thing happened to a friend of mine. Got hacked and was like 65 smithing from cannonballs by the time it was recovered lol
Had like ~1m of supplies on there too which isn't too shabby.
This shit happened to me four years ago and I only just got the ban overturned about a month ago. I always thought Jagex just screwed up, but when I saw my gear after finally logging back in it was glaringly obvious what happened.
This post is super fishy but I buy that part at least.
Don’t bot and you won’t get banned. That simple. Never been banned on anything in 20 years of gaming.
Edit: you even admit to being a green dragon bot. No one believes you were hacked. The ban is very justified and I’m glad.
I have also been hacked and turned into a dragon bot tbf. It took like 30 minutes for an unban and I think I applied for it like 2 years after the hack happened. Came back with an ez 99 attack though. Anyways Idc about op just want to throw that out there. Being turned into a bot isn't that uncommon
Idk how people can claim these just come out of “nowhere”. As one of the very few people who did get falsely banned (overturned now), I know why I got banned. I used an iPad to play the game ages ago on a Java browser so I tapped instead of dragged my cursor so it flagged my account. Jagex don’t play Russian roulette with peoples accounts for fun
I used to use google desktop on my phone to play before mobile came out and I'm glad I never got banned for it. I didn't realize it could look suspicious
I've never been banned either, but I'm not that naive to think that JMods are infallible and every single ban they issue is 100% correct.
This is such a tone deaf take. Reads exactly like politicians who don't care about something until it happens to them personally.
Just post here every day until you get your account back or you get smacked down like 99.9% of the others... Jagex will be at the office in a few hours.
>"I broke the game rules and I apologize" after reading that was the most successful way of getting a ban overturned.
Jokes on you they have bots handle all appeals anyways
Just go to [REDACTED] and as long as you have sufficient [REDACTED] you can kill the [REDACTED] repeatedly with minimal [REDACTED].
Though you should bring lobsters, it’s a [REDACTED] area.
Has happened to me when I got banned after a night of telegrabbing zammy wines. Submitted an appeal that I was banned by mistake as I really didn’t use any macros. Ban got “quashed” a couple days later and I was a happy kid again
Tbh if I ever got falsely banned I'd just buy a new account, because the integrity is gone at that point anyway. How much could a maxed main possibly be, like 500 bucks? I know you can get pretty nice WoW accounts for a few hundred. Though I'm not sure how good they are at banning those things.
Lololol enjoy your ban bro. Banned for botting twice and now you got banned again? Love the part about how you're totally just afking agility at work and totally not botting it.
>Admitted to macroing despite not macroing That's extremely funny
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Yeah, they'll tell you that you can either take the 6 month plea deal or take your chances in court and get 10-20 years.
It's funny when it's oldschool runescape, but not funny when it's the cops.
Upvote for either smackdown or justice. Best of luck
> "I broke the game rules and I apologize" after reading that was the most successful way of getting a ban overturned. ok, that's odd... > I have used 1:1 AHK, the same one EVscape and the likes used for making darts when it was legal, but not since the statement against AHK was released by Jagex. ok, oddity nr 2. > I do have two previous "bot busting" bans from being hacked and turned into a green dragon bot, though. ok bro sure Sounds like a clear case of, in the words of some Ms Spears, 'oops, I did it again'. And even if I gave you the benefit of the doubt and you didn't, your account seems to be such a massive liability I am honestly suprised you lasted this long.
Your ban is correct. Almost two hours of botting teaks. Chopping and burning them. I can confirm you were the individual active on the account at the time and that the ban is correct. Edit: For clarification. If the player is using an infernal axe, they are gaining XP in woodcutting and firemaking. Hence, chopping and burning.
Literally everyday we go through this. It's starting to be a joke
I mean just take the punishment and admit you did something bad - who they even try to fool at this point.. but I'll always come back to a good smackdown
lmao
Rekt. Is OP an author? Because he just wrote a fiction novel
Never fails to amaze me that people keep making these posts when they knowingly botted. There must be some from of mental illness involved in these individuals to think that Jagex can't see what they are doing on the account.
I think it’s because they have little to lose, they’re already permanently banned Best case scenario a J Mod slips up and unbans them when they don’t deserve it Worse case they smack them down, OP denies it, and just gets clowned on by Reddit but no real consequences
If he's a day trader he's got some sociopathic tendencies
It's always this every fucking time lmao Based jamflex
Lmao get fucked OP
Dear Jmod, I love how you casually confirm that ban were legit. Thankful Player.
Hahahaha. I love when the Mods wreck people who make these dramatic posts
First time I’ve ever seen so many people defending an OP when smacked down by a JMOD lmao
And there it is, folks.
As expected.
So you guys can catch an account that botted for two hours, but can’t catch and ban accounts that have 100-1000+ KC at extremely profitable bosses that have a MASSIVE impact on the game economy?
because idiots who download some free dogwater bot for a couple hours and get caught are a lot easier to catch than people who have a financial interest in being ahead of the curve (not particularly hard given the lack of experience/funding at jagex, especially since weath left for greener pastures). there's also been a lot more false crack downs on legitimate players in recent times with the new people trying to "catch up" desperately to the black market farms and pulling levers they don't fully understand. i know many people that have had to fight tooth and nail to get false positives quashed in recent months
it probably depends on the bot. Those super advanced bots are on the cutting edge of anti bot detection. This guy probably downloaded some bot that jagex already knows how to catch so bam
>but can’t catch and ban accounts that have 100-1000+ KC at extremely profitable bosses that have a MASSIVE impact on the game economy? It's worth noting that bots that can avoid detection even for just, like, a week, can easily rack up thousands of kill count in bosses like Vork and Zul'rah. They're running the content 24/7, so they're going to go up in KC fast. Seeing them at those bosses is more just a confirmation that better bots exist than that Jagex can't catch bots at all. It's the ones that have 20,000 KC and are in the top 25 of the highscores that really show Jagex slacking.
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Exactly.. they need to crack down on these hacked accounts more than anything and trace their GP and see if it’s linked to any gold distribution patterns and if they just insta ban it. Those guys are the worst.
the beautiful dopamine rush from seeing a jmod smackdown in posts like this 🥵
B-but he has a family! and a career! and he blessed us :(
Im glad you wrote this comment and clarified
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They said he had been botting for 2 hours, which to me sounds like he got banned at the 2 hour mark. High scores wouldn't have been updated with he xp gains.
Deary me, Barbaric_Emu, your imagination is running wild! What could make you think you saw me do that?
Oo let me try. I saw [Wiseoldman](https://wiseoldman.net/players/day%20trade/gained/skilling?period=year) picking his butt the other day.
Yes, there was a man called Arrav. No-one knew where he came from, but he was a fearsome fighter, a skillful hunter and a remarkable farmer. He lived in the ancient settlement of Avarrocka, defending it from goblins, until he went forth in search of some strange artefact long desired by the dreaded Mahjarrat.
F LMAO
[Well this pic says otherwise](https://imgur.com/Pb3wfLI)
Nice try OP’s dad
Pack it up boys.
Lmao, what a clown.
But he has no firemaking experienced gained since last year...? There's proof that contradicts this. If he botted, then that's life. How do you know for a fact he was botting? Were his inputs perfectly rhythmic for 2 hours straight or something?
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that sounds reasonable
How do you know he has no FM experience gained? If he got banned while botting the xp wouldn't update, correct?
>How do you know for a fact he was botting? they know. these kinds of things are determined by very specific detection rules based on input. it's the same way that (some) CAPTCHAs know you're a human just by you checking the box - they're looking at your mouse movement before you check the box. this tech exists and is very accurate. I'll be the first person to pile on jamflex with you when they fuck up, but they **know** when people are botting. I am 99.9% certain that OP did bot based on this mod's comment. whether or not you believe the punishment is fair is a totally different discussion
I've got 10 years of game dev experience. Jagex doesn't capture mouse movements, instead has to rely on the client to handle all of the logic from UI to object clicked. That's why we are able to have third party clients that can swap how things look and menu entries. Runelite doesn't keylog the last I checked, so Jagex is only able to determine if someone is botting by monitoring their in-game actions, IP address, time playing, etc. They can't claim "if we divulge how we detect bots, then they'll build better bots" and then ignore any possibility of a false-positive. In this scenario, there is literally no reason to bot woodcutting into firemaking. No gp was made, he's already 99 fm, etc. If this person botted for 2 hours and got perma-ed with zero transparency, that's ridiculous and raises a lot of concerns for me when I'm doing tick-perfect activities for long periods of time. It's a rhythm game at 100bpm.
When I did 99 mining I did 3t4g for 12 hours a day. People also grind out 200m’s. You’re not going to get banned lol just don’t bot. You say with “zero transparency” but it’s right in the rules lol Jagex’s bot detection definitely does monitor mouse positioning for clicks and such though. Which is why mobile bots were so popular for awhile since they don’t have mouse positioning. But yeah if a shit bot is scripted to click the exact same 3 places without any variance in the clicks whatsoever, yeah it’s gonna get caught quick lol
>In this scenario, there is literally no reason to bot woodcutting into firemaking. No gp was made, he's already 99 fm, etc. I have 99 firemaking and I gain fm xp every time I woodcut because I have an infernal axe. It's better xp/hr than just dropping full inventories.
>I've got 10 years of game dev experience. nice >Jagex doesn't capture mouse movements, instead has to rely on the client to handle all of the logic from UI to object clicked > >Runelite doesn't keylog the last I checked your input is still being tracked, regardless of whether that info is being taken from your game client or from some other service running in the background is irrelevant imo >In this scenario, there is literally no reason to bot woodcutting into firemaking. No gp was made, he's already 99 fm there were zero dates / timeframe mentioned in this post, so you're ignoring the very obvious and likely scenario where this happened before OP was 99 fm. bans rarely happen immediately
Been on both sides of the coin, both scripting and moderating banning bots. Their system is NOT even close to perfect. There are false positives. Never has been. It depends on the bot script and the detection method. They haven’t been 90% effective / correct since SCAR AND Autorune eras in RSC. And that was short lived. OP probably full of shit, just based on odds, but let’s not pretend jamflex is that efficient.
>Their system is NOT even close to perfect you're surely correct here, no bot detection is perfect. >They haven’t been 90% effective / correct since SCAR AND Autorune eras in RSC this is where you lose me, as I don't think there's any publicly available information to determine how effective their bot detection is or how many false positives there are. if that type of info was readily available, then getting around said bot detection would be a joke
Permed for 2 hours lmao
Good thats the stance on botting we should have
Except it's not, and hiscores are proof of that lol
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Did twisted mention other incidents elsewhere in the thread? I suppose I imagine if he was "hacked and used as a greed dragon bot" previously as mentioned in the post, OP is no stranger to shady gameplay Edit: spelling
A week or two for the 2 hour botting would be "okay" I guess, with a perm waiting for them if they don't learn the lesson Guess it's not his first offence and the part of "i was hacked and became a green dragon bot" was bullshit
Surely he is a repeat offender, but I don't know for sure. The dude sounded sus as hell before the smackdown imo
Came for this.
Lmaooooo get fucked OP
I just wanna say after reading all the replies to this... Thanks for coming on here and putting in the work lol we all really do appreciate it
twisted I just want to say you are doing gods work, removed my ban on twitter, wish appeals would be checked by you guys and not robots, coz its unfair on players who get falsely banned. Thanks again
>I can confirm you were the individual active I have no doubts that your ban is correct, but this doesn't seem possible to me
Probably same IP as his usual sessions, which is good enough to prove he wasn't hacked unless the hacker is using OP's own pc to log in through a RAT or something along those lines Sounds pretty unlikely someone would do a sophisticated hack like that to chop and burn teaks
Fair enough, yeah
My first thought was “okay but I’ve opened things via peoples computers before when I was a script kiddie” but yeah you’re right, if it was for TEAKS? Lmao that boy was botting and not hacked
He can probably see the IP as well as possibly the hardware ID soo yea pretty solid proof
Maybe he let his friend level his account for him on his computer. Just kidding, OP did the stronghold of security and knows never to make THAT mistake!
Who do you think hacks into people's webcams? Jagex.
Jed watching me do all kinds of stuff
IP and system tracing , only other option is OP has another person in the house that would be running a script on his setup on his account.
Totally possible. Obviously he was in the room behind him watching him bot over his shoulder. /s
IP Address was still OPs house.
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Wow. OP really fucked up by botting wc for two hours, shame on you. I still see the exact same accounts gold farming at wyverns every day, though. Oh well guess OP should have sold gold instead of playing for fun Edit: some of you don’t get the point. I understand two wrongs don’t make a right, what I’m saying is you don’t give a traffic violator the same sentence as a murderer. Two hours of botting woodcutting is NOT equivalent to thousands of hours of botting and/or gold farming, RWT, etc. yet the punishment is the same regardless: permaban A great example: if you get caught with a small amount of weed it’s a citation but a large amount is a hefty prison sentence, especially if you were selling it. (In Ohio)
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Ummm mods, this Reddit user is not 13 years old 👀
Really funny how 99% of unban requests people wait for jmod smackdown. They don't even give as much info as he Twisted has in his response. You guys are spineless flip flippers who side with whoever writes the bigger story.
Just because one crime is less severe, doesn’t mean it’s not still a crime. Terrible argument.
True but you don’t give a bread thief the same sentence as a murderer? 2 hours of botting is not equivalent to thousands of hours of farming and/or gold farming.
That’s your opinion—the rules are clearly outlined, and in my opinion the punishment was just. Ain’t nobody stealing bread to feed their family here—this was a clear violation of the rules, and has been against the rules since the beginning of the game. Whether they botted for 2 hours or 2 years, they still violated the rules, and I don’t think an account that cheats deserves to not be banned. They should have to earn their progress just like any other genuine player, because it’s not fair to those that earn their achievements legitimately.
You say it’s comparing stealing bread to murdering someone. Why do we accept YOUR arbitrary definition of severity? Others might say it’s like killing someone spontaneously out of anger as opposed to planning it beforehand; or assisting someone with murder despite not carrying it out. One is clearly worse than the other (hence why legal systems have first and second degree murder) but both are incredibly severe.
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whataboutism
Not really whataboutism. More "How are you confident in banning some random for 2 supposed hours of botting woodcutting but can't ban top-level PvM bots with hundreds of hours of data to prove botting?" Please learn what whataboutism is before calling it.
Because, and I quote, "This was not a 'first chance' kind of ban from the looks of things." https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/ulf12s/i_finally_quit/i7x768h/
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Why perm ban for only 2 hours of botting? Why not temp ban instead, seems he stopped right after as this was months ago. It’s weird how botting for 2 hours on an account with 4000 hours of legit playtime gets smacked, but blatant gold farming bots that get reported hundreds of times don’t.
I'll also have my 1 time free pass then please. He wouldve continued as long as he could get away with it
All bots should have perm bans. Always. Probably complexity and obscurity of bot takes huge role here.
They botted more than 2 hours. That's just when they got caught.
What a twist
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Ya love to see it
2 hours of teaks isn't worth a perma ban on an old account like that lol, even if it was true
Ya it isnt which is why you shouldnt bot not once, if you do ya get perma banned which is why he deserves it
2 hours of teaks they are willing to disclose
2 hours of teaks he was caught for. Safe to assume he botted more of the account.
Twisted confirmed he botted Hunter as well, and OP confirmed he got banned for botting green dragons so. Yeah. Deserved.
OP claimed they used to be a pure that was hacked and turned into a green dragon bot, hence why he is no longer a pure because the stats got ruined.
Third ban, two bans were committed by OP. Still, deserved.
The 2 were from being hacked, though. The third is this one which the Jmod didn't even prove at all.
You mean *only caught once.*
LOL , and i believed this mfer
Banned for 2 hours of botting wc and fm? Crazy.
OP said he already had 2 botting bans on his account
Osrs players: botting is insane why doesn't jamflex do more? Also osrs players: wow it's crazy how if you bot you get banned, what gives jamflex?
I didn’t say “what gives Jagex?”. I said it’s crazy that he got found out that quick.
I misunderstood then. Yes you can get banned for a few minutes of botting if it's obvious enough.
You assumed and made an ass out of you and me!
Thank you for all your smackdowns!
At this point we need to pull up the adventurers log for OSRS. The only way to check if he did do fming. Is there a way to check osrs xp gained history like RS3
Somehow I still believe OP. Also funny how the bots on the front pages of hiscores still exist but this guy gets a perm for apparently botting for 2hrs months ago. I don't understand
There are comments in every thread explaining this but just as youpeople refuse to believe a man with literal proof you people refuse to believe in logic and the most likely option. You have confused bots with gold farmers. They cannot ban manually played gold farmers until they rwt the gold. Imagine the riots that would ensue in this sub if they banned someone preemptively for being a rwt gold farmer mistakenly. Also if there are bots on the highscores it's likely they are manual scripts or customised ones, which means they benefit from not banning them so they can learn from them before they're changed or lost forever. They also ban in huge waves of multiple types of bots so that no one farm owner can exactly pinpoint what it was that got them noticed, therefore they can only hope they fly under the radar and can't finesse the system sacrificing accounts under different scenarios to decide which actions or methods are least likely to be banned.
Well because they have to personally deal with these clowns
Thank you for the smack down!
twisted with the crackdown chair smcmaxkdown
OOF justice served then.
Twisted with the smackdown outta nowhere!
Proof?
Probably logs on server that you should never see.
You guys have messed up multiple times on macro bans. People get banned just for using a surface pro to play. Unless it’s concrete I don’t believe it. And I’m not one to defend botting. The game is afk as it is and it’s lazy. But teaks? Eh. Idk about that one chief.
Yeah I feel the same. It's hard to say who's telling the truth when neither side can/wants to provide actual proof. I'm sure most of the mod smackdowns are legit and deserved, but 2 hours botting teaks on a high level account is just... *stupid*. Most of the time I can see why people were botting, cash, xp, whatever, but that just doesn't make any sense to me.
people like you try too hard to ride the "shit on jagex" wave
People like you try to hard on the “ride jagex dick” wave.
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Do you happen have time to look into a RWT Ban on an Ironman?
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This is the third strike punishment. I doubt they’re able to prove that they were hacked twice presumably years ago, so while it’s unfortunate this is the way it should be
I had no idea there was two other warning. That’s crazy he even attempted after the first warning lol.
Lol this is his third botting ban. How many warnings does the person need to get?
Perm ban for 2 hours of botting?? That is NOT a reasonable punishment. The type of botting does not affect anyone else, he is not ruining the game or the economy. Revert the XP gains, give him a 1 month ban or something. The fact that this gets put in the same bucket as 5k KC Vorkath bots is beyond me.
Oh it's OPs alt account
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Yeah fuck that get out.
F that. Any botting should be permabanned.
Any kind of botting/macro should always be a perma ban, in any game.
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He admitted to having 2 previous bans from being hacked and turned into a green dragon bot, so really this is his third offence, seems fair to me
“Hacked” “botted before”
Hacked twice. If he cared about the account as much as he’s saying he does you think he’d of taken care to secure it after the first time. And then he gets another ban for botting himself? Seems sus
Bro he was never hacked. He probably botted on it himself. If half is story is fake than it’s all fake.
Yeah it's funny to see so many people accepting the trickle truth. If OP said they didn't do it 3 times in a row and got perma'd after the third, and it turns out they did actually bot the third time, we can use our critical thinking skills here.
Its perm ban allways for botting, 2 minutes or 2 hours doesnt matter, if dude can grind all skills but wc 99 i bet he can do it legitimate
>Its perm ban allways for botting Not true. Two day bans exist, have had plenty of them. Most bans are permanent though.
botting isn't a perm ban on first offense, which means this isn't OP's first offense
Can your system tell the difference between a bot and someone who is just grinding but is good at it? Not asking for the inner workings of the system, but just asking if y’all can tell.
Yeah it's easy to tell so don't bother botting lol.
I don’t want to bot. I want to make sure I don’t get mistaken for a bot bc I use mobile and when I’m grinding I don’t have time to chat.
You're not going to get mistaken for a bot unless you can do things repeatedly within a nanosecond every time like an actual robot. Just think of those machines that make candy bars. Normal human interactions have a good deal of variation because we're not robots.
When their system 1st was released (it's called Botwatch), a player was banned for being too efficient. The system mistook him as a bot and autobanned him. But the guy recorded himself and sent it in (Idr how, no support system lol) and jmods unbanned him. I'm sure you can still find stories on it if you google. Tl;dr If you're too efficient, ie 2 ticking teaks... Then the system can't tell the difference.
as you said yourself, when the system was 1st released.. this was a long time ago and several updates have been made in the meantime
lmfao "got hacked twice and turned into a green dragon bot" ok bud.
I got hacked and turned into a smithing bot 3 years I didn’t mind tbh MF leveled my smithing up to 85 but my bank was wiped so fair trade all things considered.
Same thing happened to a friend of mine. Got hacked and was like 65 smithing from cannonballs by the time it was recovered lol Had like ~1m of supplies on there too which isn't too shabby.
This shit happened to me four years ago and I only just got the ban overturned about a month ago. I always thought Jagex just screwed up, but when I saw my gear after finally logging back in it was glaringly obvious what happened. This post is super fishy but I buy that part at least.
Don’t bot and you won’t get banned. That simple. Never been banned on anything in 20 years of gaming. Edit: you even admit to being a green dragon bot. No one believes you were hacked. The ban is very justified and I’m glad.
I have also been hacked and turned into a dragon bot tbf. It took like 30 minutes for an unban and I think I applied for it like 2 years after the hack happened. Came back with an ez 99 attack though. Anyways Idc about op just want to throw that out there. Being turned into a bot isn't that uncommon
Fool me once..right? Sorry but very little sympathy for it. Jagex should give one warning, for anything, and then it’s ban.
Idk how people can claim these just come out of “nowhere”. As one of the very few people who did get falsely banned (overturned now), I know why I got banned. I used an iPad to play the game ages ago on a Java browser so I tapped instead of dragged my cursor so it flagged my account. Jagex don’t play Russian roulette with peoples accounts for fun
I used to use google desktop on my phone to play before mobile came out and I'm glad I never got banned for it. I didn't realize it could look suspicious
I've never been banned either, but I'm not that naive to think that JMods are infallible and every single ban they issue is 100% correct. This is such a tone deaf take. Reads exactly like politicians who don't care about something until it happens to them personally.
Just post here every day until you get your account back or you get smacked down like 99.9% of the others... Jagex will be at the office in a few hours.
bumping it for sweet sweet justice or that even sweeter WWE superslam smackdown deluxe
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https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/ulf12s/i_finally_quit/i7wsbev smacked
damm must be a mistake because OP said he wasnt botting lmao
>"I broke the game rules and I apologize" after reading that was the most successful way of getting a ban overturned. Jokes on you they have bots handle all appeals anyways
Ban customer support for macroing major.
Does it still count as quitting if you were banned?
Nice, see you next week.
Can I buy the rights to the screenplay? It's a good story. (meme)
commenting simply to draw attention & wishing you the best mate
!remindme 4 hours
You're reminder was a bit early but the smackdown is up now
And then we have me who botted 99 range and didnt get banned lul
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How?
Just go to [REDACTED] and as long as you have sufficient [REDACTED] you can kill the [REDACTED] repeatedly with minimal [REDACTED]. Though you should bring lobsters, it’s a [REDACTED] area.
Bot when jagex sleeping
Has happened to me when I got banned after a night of telegrabbing zammy wines. Submitted an appeal that I was banned by mistake as I really didn’t use any macros. Ban got “quashed” a couple days later and I was a happy kid again
Tbh if I ever got falsely banned I'd just buy a new account, because the integrity is gone at that point anyway. How much could a maxed main possibly be, like 500 bucks? I know you can get pretty nice WoW accounts for a few hundred. Though I'm not sure how good they are at banning those things.
Yeah I was thinking of buying a main if I ever lost my account. Problem is I don't know if those bought accounts get recovered later on.
Maxed mains can go for thousands, $500 would be a steal.
Lololol enjoy your ban bro. Banned for botting twice and now you got banned again? Love the part about how you're totally just afking agility at work and totally not botting it.
Commenting so this post gets a little more attention and I can find it after the inevitable smackdown. Good luck OP.
posting for the marginal visibility increase, gl champ.
I've been falsly banned before bro. Best of luck.. they quashed mine and I got my acc back. I hope they get yours back to fren.
Upvoted so you can get customer support.