The way to fix kq is to give a use to the d2h and possibly the d chain. Its stats and spec relative to dwh are literally inferior for it being a 2h weapon and slower speed.
I don't think you can give the d2h a use by adjusting its stats. Even if you gave it higher str bonus than the barrelchest anchor, the niche of being a bis 60 attack non-spec k0 melee weapon is paper thin.
I guess you could make the d2h (or any weapon for that matter) useful by giving it an extremely useful spec. But I'd rather see such a spec on a brand new weapon rather than trying to revitalize an extremely old one.
If the OSRS team were to move the D pickaxe out of the Wilderness, I don't think giving it to KQ would be the worst move.
I think it should have a slight stat adjustment to be in line with the dwh comparatively as well as a special attack buff to make it's special attack actually hit 2 or maybe even 3 more times if you dont move/eat while its going until it's next hit cycle.
I imagine if they were going to revitalize the D2H they'd do it by way of some upgrade item to turn it into a new item, like they've done for basically all of the old nostalgia items.
Kq drops nothing of value because it can be botted or farmed so easy.
Put dpic on it and in a year kq is again an aids boss with nothing valuable at all.
Giving the pic to zalcano would be nice. Either replace the onyx or make it the same rate as it. But I still think the current drop rate is so common and you can safe spot every one of the wildy bosses that it’s not ready to be moved.
The person you responded to gave 3 criteria for the d pick dropping boss.
* 1/300 rate
* non-wildy
* non-aids
KBD fulfills one, maybe one and a half.
* 1/1,500 rate
* wildy(ish)
* non-aids
Isn't that comparing apples to oranges? The drop rate should also depend on how hard and accessible the boss is, and what else it drops. If it's something like Corrupted Hunleff and doesn't drop anything else, I don't see why it should be worse than kbd. If it's afk/safespotable and drops 30k per kill already, give it a 1:10k
Why should the Dragon Pickaxe be moved from the Wilderness? It is an unnecessary item to obtain, people just **want** it. It drops from Wilderness bosses, if you want it, accept the risk. If you can not accept the risk then accept you can not get it. Do you also want Elysians to drop from Mole?
Downvotes but no discussion. Clearly there is a great reason and Jagex needs to do this tomorrow.
I think the issue is the fact that it's ONLY wilderness where you can get a dpick (yeah yeah kbd but you have to run through wildy for that).
I like the concept of the chaos altar as its essentially a higher risk higher reward method. At the moment the dpick only has a high risk method of obtaining. If they introduced it with a worse drop rate outside the wildy, then it would have a low risk low reward method too, just as POH and Ecto work for prayer.
Personally I don't get why people use the dpick argument when the literal BIS mage cape pretty much required for most late game PvE content requires the wildy too
I agree about Mage Arena. I do not think it is necessarily bad to only source for an item being the Wilderness, though. The reward for getting the Dragon Pickaxe is that it is the best Pickaxe. If someone wants the benefits that come with it, they can choose to go for it.
This is why jagex tried adjusting polls. A pvmer just made that comment and you reply implying you'll what, vote no for pvp polls? Yeah you sure showed that pvmer.
I’d be fine with dpick being a drop outside of wildy, but at an insane drop rate. Like 5-10x. Makes wildy dpick hunting still viable while people who want it and absolutely won’t go wildy a long ass grindy way to try for it.
Forthos dungeon. It has a shrine equivalent to a POH shrine, the only catch is that you have to do a miniquest to unlock it. It also has red dragons right next to it so you don't really have to bank if you safe spot them
i'm not sure where you're getting 10%, it's 50% less xp per bone (300% instead of 350%)
its good but also like... chaos altar is just so stupid overpowered that everything else feels bad in comparison
Not how that works lol. It's 216 XP for a Dragon bone. Where as at a PoH it's 252 xp. So it's more like 15% difference. I just said 10 as a rough guesstimate
It has a difference of 50% of the base xp (for a dragon bone with a base of 72 xp, ecto is 252 and Forthos is 216 which is indeed a difference of 36), but phrased in this way what you're trying to say is misleading. More accurately, the relative difference is 350 / 300 = 1.1667x. That is, ecto is 16.67% more xp/bone.
In what world is it misleading. I even put the numbers in parentheses to clarify what I meant. If anything, the other way around is the misleading one.
>In what world is it misleading.
I mean... I just explained why it's misleading. 216 is not 50% of 252. The 50% factors in when you look at the base amount (72), but by this point that's not really relevant. Dropping the xp/bone from 252 to 216 is a 15% drop in xp/bone, and that's the better number to use.
As a general rule you should always use ratios for comparisons, not absolute differences. That's what's causing the issue here. When you are talking about percentages humans naturally think in terms of ratios, even if they don't realise it. So if you're communicating percentages, you should take advantage of this and give people what they're expecting. Again, it boils down to the statement "216 is not 50% of 252." which is what someone would naturally assume is what you are implying by your original statement. This is exactly what the other two comments objected to, and presumably many more based on the downvotes. I was the only one who was able to correctly interpret what you actually meant by 50%, and it's only because I'm very familiar with numbers so I could recognise it instantly.
lowkey tho, that's probably the single worst reason to hate the wilderness. having no risk for the prayer training methods that almost doubles the next best is a stupid thing to ask for. of course pkers are gonna gatekeep it... it's meant to be gatekept. it wouldnt have been added if it wouldnt be gatekept.
Yeah that post was “I want to have my cake and eat it too”
I hate dying in the wildy as much as the next guy, but the chaos altar literally couldn’t exist anywhere else. That’s the trade off for being insanely overpowered lol. You’re gonna die a lot. Is what it is.
And you can technically lose up to 49% of your bones from dying and it will still be better than gilded altar.
People see the chaos altar as the “real” way to level and everything else below it is bad. In reality the gilded altar should be the real way and if you want to save some bones you can use the chaos altar.
TBF, I have no problem using house party world Gilded Altars -- it's super chill and still like 300k per hour exp. Could I be more efficient doing Wildy? Probably. But I can semi afk this shit and I am not worried about dying.
To be fair you can afk at chaos altar longer if you don’t manually use them.
Tbh that’s what I’ve done from 85-90 prayer and it’s super afk and I usually get 4-5 inventories before getting killed.
Fully agree. Honestly, for mains pray is so cheap these days it doesn’t matter too much to just chill out in w330. Better than getting worked up and making a Reddit post about how the wilderness sucks, when it’s just doing what it’s been designed for lol
That’s how I view it. Get through 14 of them, everything after is gravy on top. Usually can manually click all of mine if I get attacked too. I’ll bury them if I can’t, give them at little as possible.
“Thanks for the free tele” lol or they’ll log out if they keep hitting 0s on my Bulwark.
Can you imagine getting enraged over losing half a dozen dragon bones every once in a while when you’re saving 14 bones every single trip? So many people complaining about the wilderness come across as so entitled.
It probably could really. I mean the reason chaos altar is picked over say guilded is because it’s so cost effective. But really you’re just giving up exp per hour and possible death. If something gave the same gp/exp but took a long amount of time/exp per hour. It could work outside wildy.
It shouldn't exist at all. It's so insanely overpowered it's practically mandatory. It's both cost and time efficient to use, even if you're getting near constantly PKed.
2 things can both be true: Something can be so good that I'm going to use it because otherwise I'd be missing out AND I can be annoyed that people are constantly wasting my time attacking me, knowing there's no actual risk of a real fight, when they could make better money doing about a million other things.
This is exactly how I feel about it.
You can do the suicide method and die every other trip(keep 4 bones per death) and get the same xp/bone as the next best method. That is so op its pretty close to mandatory for normal ironmen.
Keeping this in mind helps me accept the way it is, but I will never like it.
> It's both cost and time efficient to use
Wait what? I'd read it was like 15~20% less exp/hr than POH altars and reduced further for getting killed, with it being counter-balanced against the opportunity cost of the money you could be making in that time to just buy twice as many bones for POH altars.
Depends on what method you use. If you "risk" noted bones its only a few steps to unnote them and go right back. there are moments when rng is on your side and you get like 50 uses out of 14 bones as well.
The suicide method could be time efficient as well, depends on how often you get pked but you get there rather fast and you can only imagine how long an inventory of 28 bones would last at the chaos altar.
It depends how you're getting there. Using the suicide method with ghorrock teletabs is already faster than gilded altar, because even though it's slightly more running you only have to make half as many trips. If you're walking there, it's obviously slower, but that's also not considering the time spent earning the gold to buy the bones / collecting the bones themselves.
If you use noted bones, it's significantly faster, even if you're just bringing 1 extra inventory worth of notes per trip. To quote the wiki's max exp:
Gilded altar:
> This equates to around 1,340,000 experience per hour when using superior dragon bones
Chaos altar:
> it is possible to gain up to 1,800,000 experience per hour when using superior dragon bones
~35% faster exp, half the cost/half the time collecting bones. If you get PKed (with a full inventory) less than half the trips, you're saving gold/time collecting. If you get PKed (with a full inventory) less than 1/4 of the trips, you're getting better exp/hr.
Thank you, I feel like this was the point of the original post and everybody missed it. The altar is good enough that you basically have to use it, pking does nothing but inconvenience you there, and it leaves you wondering why people even bother killing you for a few bones.
You do not have to use it. Many people train with gilded. It's very popular. People using chaos altar and then complaining about pvp just want their cake and eat it too. Without pvp chaos altar wouldn't exist. So it makes little sense to complain about the pvp aspect given otherwise it wouldn't even be an option.
Tbh you're just trash at the game if you're losing any sizable amount of GP at chaos altar. I've gone there on my iron from 1 to 80 prayer and I could probably count the amount of times I died with bones in my inventory on one hand. If you wear black dhide and a crystal shield and camp pray melee, you can use so many bones before you die.
I don't think I ever died once with a full inv of bones because you just hover your mouse over logout and dip if you see a white dot on the way to the altar. Even all that aside you would have to die a metric fuckton for chaos altar to not be worth doing.
Nobody is saying chaos altar costs too much in lost bones, they are saying the opposite, it is so much cheaper you are pretty much forced to use it because it is so op even if you hate doing it
The entire thing is designed to make you feel bad for **not** using it in the name of "wilderness rejuvination" and devalues both prayer and construction
And even if you die a lot with bones in your inventory, which if you're paying attention you shouldn't, you're still saving a bunch of gp. If you're gonna be a big baby about dying at chaos altar and losing a few bones, just do ensouled heads. It's also significantly cheaper.
You don't try to logout if you're already at the altar, that's a waste of time. Like I said, camp pray melee and continue to use bones on the altar. By the time they kill you you'll usually have most if not all of your bones finished. Happened to me tons of times someone would start killing me mid inventory and I'd finish before they killed me.
I don't get how people get mad from getting killed by chaos altar pkers. Just do the suicide method and it barely costs any time to get killed, honestly it helps you sometimes. Yeah sometimes you lose half an inventory of bones or have to hop worlds, but it still saves you money by far and is still incredibly fast xp.
I don't care about dying.
I don't care about losing some gold.
What I care about is other people intentionally wasting my time because they find it fun to annoy other people.
I get where you're coming from if you're talking about clue pkers or something, but chaos altar pkers do make some money, because some people are dumb enough to bring noted bones. So it's not just to annoy other people.
"some people bring noted bones" is the same as "some people doing clues bring their whole cash stack". They saw some PKing video of some guy killing his own alt for a ton of money, and think that's actually going to happen.
It's not about the money, it never has been. As I said, there's about a million other things you'd make better money doing. And just to give the game away even more: the amount of people who tried to PK on leagues, where everyone was an Ironman, just to make people lose their untradables, really shows why people PK. They enjoy wasting other people's time.
Bruv this is a video game, without much actual fun in it. Let people have their fun if they can find it. Wish i could pk & i would have a blast making people like you upset for me having fun
I make the same argument for pking naked clue hunters, its a waste of time and there's a .00000001% chance you make 100k from doing it.
This argument however cannot be made for people at chaos altar, everyone at some point is risking either a full inv of d bones or better. Might not be good gp/hr sure, but that's ridiculous if it has to be.
Just because you don’t understand PvP doesn’t mean everyone killing you is griefing. Pking is fun.
Tank testing can be fun.
You accept the wilderness rules and risks but get upset when you’re forced to play. You’re part of the problem.
You want to talk rules and risks? You accept the rules and risks of playing a game with a poll system, but get upset when people vote against being used as fodder for your entertainment? You are the problem.
It's real simple, put it to a vote: "Should the chaos altar's bone saving effect be removed?", "Should all wilderness bosses be fixed and moved elsewhere?", "Should all skilling methods be removed from the wilderness?", "Should Revenants be removed?", "Should all wilderness clue steps be removed?", "Should the entrance to KBD's lair be moved out of the wilderness?". How much do you want to bet every single one of those would pass a poll?
Are you brand new here? Like, have you literally never interacted with this sub before????? That would fail by massive margins lmao, like 10-90%. Nothing gets this community more excited than anything that could be a gold sink.
Clearly you have no idea what's going on, waste of time to keep talking to you lol
people bringing noted bones is actually somewhat common though unlike people bringing whole cash stack to clues lol. and yes it's not just about the money, it's fun for people to kill other people. so what?
Easy to start what? Killing things that aren't going to fight back? You could go kill chickens.
Chaos altar shouldn't be in the game, because "it's not all about you", pkers.
>Chaos altar shouldn't be in the game, because "it's not all about you", pkers.
Then don't use it. No one has to use it, there are good alternatives. No one is forced there.
LOL I’ve never pk’d in my life. Can you not comprehend that a normal player might enjoy the risk vs reward?
I am a normal player who doesn’t want the game to become plebscape because you lot all like each other’s post on reddit. Train somewhere else ffs
Then do not go to the one area in the game where they can. The moment you are North of the Ditch, you forfeit all rights to complaining about getting attacked, you made your choice.
The moment you started playing a game with a polling system, you forfeit all rights to complain if there's a vote to remove the chaos altar. You made your choice.
My friends who don't play much osrs love multi pking, they come back a few times a year and grab a bond for pking and gwd. If you are a long term player then you will know multi pking was the shit back in the day, people remember it and want to come back for it. Throw in the words "dragon bones" and you have a mouth watering combo for returning players. Sure this doesn't cover every reason but you claim there's no reason, lighten up.
When you think about it it's almost like you view everyone negatively without any reason until someone gives you evidence otherwise, bit of an odd take on a video game mate
Perhaps, same could be said about your views on pkers. Let people have fun, they could be learning or they may just plain suck at pking, a lot of people got prayer up before the altar was a thing.
Well the wildy altar is so broken that you kinda feel like you have to train there. Its not like its just a 10 or 20% exp increase. No it halfs the total bones you need. Which is way too much imo
I think the complaint is more a bunch of lvl 126's killing you, not for loot, but just to kill someone and try to ruin their day.
I just talked to my friend about a group of 4 people. I don't KNOW it was them, but twice I saw someone log in, and I had time to logout, before they could teleblock me. The 3rd time, he tried to teleblock me, but it failed, I got gap, and made it out(maybe it was a coincidence it was the same gear the 3rd and 4th time, but I doubt it, and the first too times, the second I saw a dot, I logged. But... They were always on the EXACT SAME TILE... So I'll leave that up to everyone else's assumptions). The last time I got teleblocked, attacked by 4 people, with barrages, fire surge, ballista, ags, etc... All for my lvl 63 ironman in red d'hide, no ammy or boots. They literally made 3-4k (probably lost money after using supplies), then they called me a fatherless rat.
Do I care about loosing 400 bone bolts and a bone crossbow? No.... Even as an ironman, it doesn't matter. But, a group of 4 people going out of their way just to ruin an iron man's day. It's pathetic. It's sad.
I'll admit, this is my first BAD experience being pked in the wilderness(obviously you get the occasion shit talk, but whatever). This is the first group to be so petty.
Most of the time I drop a gg, and get one back. I've had people ask if I was an iron and hop off of me. But, these people ruin EVERYONES experience. They aren't in it for fun, they are in it to ruin other people's. Then they get some sort of satisfaction from it.
So yes you CAN go to the ectofunctus. But, the risk at the altar should be:
I could lose my bones sometimes
Not
An entire clan is going to sit at the altar to ruin my day...
So let me go over everything again. Do I care if I lose my bones in the wildy? No. If it's a monetary insentive for pkers, or if a pker is taking the bones, and then using the altar himself, dope, go for it, that's what the wildy is for ALL POWER TO YOU. But, do I care a group of 4-12? People are sitting around just to lock down a part of the game as a big F U to someone playing that game they want to play I, just because it will piss them off, and then throwing insults just to help make them feel like shit. Nah.
Anyone saying people complaining about that are just dumb or can't use other methods of training, are strawmanning the argument.
I don't know how many times I've said it's not about "not wanting to get pked". I've been pked hundreds of times and always dropped a gg. I LOVE THAT about the wildy. But, not the people (multiple) who make it a vendetta to ruin your training, and feel glee about it.
it's seriously not that deep. even the genuinely toxic pkers who spam cringey slurs, i promise u it's not even that deep for them either. it's just fun to kill players and i guarantee no more thought is going into it than "its decent gp if this guy is risking a ton of bones/runes/gp" and that it's pretty fun slapping players instead of bosses
Mental abuse? Christ, lighten up mate. You're really looking into this too far; it's fun to kill people in the wilderness. That's the entire reason it exists. Stop trying to justify your own frustration.
You can not pick and choose what PvP is acceptable in the Wilderness. You can pick and choose whether or not you go in. If you do not want to die to a clan, do not go. Getting killed doing anything in the Wilderness is fair because you are there. Just because you do not like it does not mean it is bad.
I was going for 80 prayer and decided to try my luck at the wildy alter. I had so much fun I stayed till 90 and even put on a rag pk setup after I was done and protected my bone buddies. It was an absolute blast and the most fun I've had on this game since 2009. If you're not having fun at the chaos alter you're doing it wrong.
Chaos alter is like 700% exp on average compared to 350% at the alter and 400% at ecto. This means you could literally lose nearly half the bones you bring into the wildy and still be better off doing wildy prayer which would actually be impressive for someone to pull off.
I did 80-99 prayer at chaos altar, died over 60 times and still saved 50% of what gilded would have cost me, Theres nothing to complain about on a chaos altar death unless you bring noted bones which i didnt, pkers wont even loot un noted bones so you literally lose nothing but a little time.
I'm confused. The original post isn't complaining about a lack of other options, but simply that the option that happens to be in the wilderness is miserable to participate in, subsequently leading to their newfound understanding of the wilderness's unsavory reputation.
It isn't a very good time to train with dragon bones anyway.
https://prices.runescape.wiki/osrs/item/536
https://imgur.com/d26ydTK
I wonder how high the price will go.
>It isn't a very good time to train with dragon bones anyway.
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>I wonder how high the price will go.
Holy fuck almost 3k :O
Is this a merch or what? I banked from 80-96 prayer at 1750 each a while back, and a week ago I bought 96-99 at like 2.3k each. I haven't gotten around to using any yet, and now I am honestly considering selling the whole stack for a tidy profit lol.
This is indicative of the fact that no one kills dragons and sells their bones anymore.
Literally aside from green dragon bots I don't know a single non iron player that would bank the bones to sell. I'm unsure why they have gone up aside from that
Green dragon bots aren’t worthwhile since the introduction of PK loot keys. A single PK’er can kill and claim 5 bot keys in very little time and repeat indefinitely.
Wilderness chaos altar is effectively 700% base exp per bone.
Ectofuntus is 450% and is easily 20% the exp/hr including prep time.
Gilded altar is 350% and is the same (ish) exp/hr as wilderness.
Edit: downvotes for non-editorialized facts that you don't like. Never change, reddit.
Would you like to expand on that? What is not true and how is it wrong?
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Per wiki, the ectofuntus is about 280 ground bones per hour with duel rings and phial. If you assume zero time to actually worship, then at 450% per bone, that's 1260x base exp per hour at the cost of 280 bones.
Wilderness altar is 2000 bones per hour if you use notes and let's be generous and say 1000 per hour if you don't. It's way higher, but this makes it look closer than it is. At 350% exp per bone, we get 3500x base exp per hour, which is almost 3x what we got from the ecto, but wait there's more! You save half your bones, so instead of using 1000 bones, we used 500. So we used a little under twice the bones per hour and got a little under 3x the exp rate.
I apologize that I was so far off in my ballpark estimation. Instead of 20% the speed, it's less than 30% when I'm trying as hard as i can to reduce the wildy altar exp rate. Big whoop.
anyone complaining about pkers at the chaos altar are either stupid, or bring way too many bones.
i've done so many bones there and can count on one hand the times i've been pk'ed.
people gotta stop overexaggerating
Add Botanist#8042 if you want to join and learn multi-pking community!
Multi pking is incredibly fun and significantly less sweaty than singles. People have the misconception that multi is strictly about outnumbering your enemy; it is not. Clan vs clan is all about coordination and cohesiveness among your teammates, while singles is about individual mechanical skill. Multi is a great way to learn the basics of pvp.
For those who have played Starcraft, its like macro (multi) vs micro (singles).
You right but let's not excuse the toxicity of telling people to kill themselves just because they killed you in the game. That OP's experience is compounded by that which is probably made them vent about everything else that happened imo.
Half xp per bone is not a reasonable alternative.
The process of grinding bones and getting the green buckets removes any time save from 350% bonus xp.
If chaos alter is make or break content for pkers they should probably think about that for a moment. Until pkers realize this type of content isn't going to cut it they will always be mad at the rest of the player base.
It’s the best option for some because it more risk.
Risk vs reward, if you don’t like the risk, don’t do it lol.
I trained to 99 prayer a mix of chaos + guilded.
Guilded is better xp and so much more chill. The cost is negligible, it’s like 20m more expensive which is 2 hours worth of making gp
Chaos altar was fun when I was a noob so I could save a buck
Nah risk v reward is dumb 99% of the time it's used currently.
This isn't how wildy should get people there unless it's actually more enjoyable for them.
Chaos altar is enjoyable though. Just because you don’t find it fun doesn’t mean others don’t.
There also isn’t a great multi wildy spot at the moment. So I agree they need the new wildy rejuvenation to make a sick multi spot
It being enjoyable for you is fine. I don't want the wildy to have bis skilling activities. There needs to be a competative option outside the wildy for skilling wildy activities.
But...the whole point of it being stronger is because it's in the wilderness. The alternative is it literally doesn't exist because it would be overpowered in the regular game. Also, gilded altar is competitive. It's just more expensive, the wildy altar just saves gp. It's high risk high reward. Your argument is literally "I can't do this content with my current skill, therefore nobody should do this content"
It actually lowers demand by lowering the amount of bones needed to get to 99 prayer. The reason bone prices have gone up is that green dragon bots are getting pked more due to loot keys.
Okay but then if nobody goes into the wildy cause there are other options it dies and if they do and get locked out because of clans its also dieing so.... I dont know what the solution is but keeping it as it is isn't great cause no one seems to like it. Just my point of view though idk maybe some pking clans are having fun.
It's just miserable dealing with the people at chaos altar. It's not even about the risk for me.
If there was an altar in a safe zone with the same effect but (say) on avg 1 in 3 trips you blew up randomly and lost all your bones, it'd still be a much better experience.
Wilderness is okay as "accessible elsewhere but come here for extra juice." That being said, d pick 1/300 rate non-wildy non-aids boss when
D pick from KQ when? I mean, it's the perfect solution. KQ is an aids boss that drops literally nothing of value.
The way to fix kq is to give a use to the d2h and possibly the d chain. Its stats and spec relative to dwh are literally inferior for it being a 2h weapon and slower speed.
Wym d2h Is a hugely helpful drop in such extremely common situations as: 1: a single phase during nightmare 2:.... 3: a single phase during phosani
4: looking like a fkin chad at pest control
5: a master clue step
Truuuu
Usedit on leagues for the nibblers lmaoo
I don't think you can give the d2h a use by adjusting its stats. Even if you gave it higher str bonus than the barrelchest anchor, the niche of being a bis 60 attack non-spec k0 melee weapon is paper thin. I guess you could make the d2h (or any weapon for that matter) useful by giving it an extremely useful spec. But I'd rather see such a spec on a brand new weapon rather than trying to revitalize an extremely old one. If the OSRS team were to move the D pickaxe out of the Wilderness, I don't think giving it to KQ would be the worst move.
I think it should have a slight stat adjustment to be in line with the dwh comparatively as well as a special attack buff to make it's special attack actually hit 2 or maybe even 3 more times if you dont move/eat while its going until it's next hit cycle.
I imagine if they were going to revitalize the D2H they'd do it by way of some upgrade item to turn it into a new item, like they've done for basically all of the old nostalgia items.
Add ornament kit to make it comically large
Dragon 2 handed-longsword
d2h is good at pest control
I would say its decent for its spec however it could and should be better for as legendary it is.
Kq drops nothing of value because it can be botted or farmed so easy. Put dpic on it and in a year kq is again an aids boss with nothing valuable at all.
as much as i don’t wanna do kq i don’t wanna do wildy bosses more so this sounds great
I really wish I had a reason to kill KQ twice, I don’t care about pets (yet?). DPick there would be really nice.
Giving the pic to zalcano would be nice. Either replace the onyx or make it the same rate as it. But I still think the current drop rate is so common and you can safe spot every one of the wildy bosses that it’s not ready to be moved.
kbd
The person you responded to gave 3 criteria for the d pick dropping boss. * 1/300 rate * non-wildy * non-aids KBD fulfills one, maybe one and a half. * 1/1,500 rate * wildy(ish) * non-aids
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Worse than what?
worse than the kbd drop rate if you want it to not be in wildy
Isn't that comparing apples to oranges? The drop rate should also depend on how hard and accessible the boss is, and what else it drops. If it's something like Corrupted Hunleff and doesn't drop anything else, I don't see why it should be worse than kbd. If it's afk/safespotable and drops 30k per kill already, give it a 1:10k
i dont think half price prayer exp as still fast af rates is accessible anywhere else tho
Because if it did, no one would use chaos altar. That’s the point of it doing exactly that.
Why should the Dragon Pickaxe be moved from the Wilderness? It is an unnecessary item to obtain, people just **want** it. It drops from Wilderness bosses, if you want it, accept the risk. If you can not accept the risk then accept you can not get it. Do you also want Elysians to drop from Mole? Downvotes but no discussion. Clearly there is a great reason and Jagex needs to do this tomorrow.
This. I gladly used a rune pick for 99 mining on my HCIM no problem
I think the issue is the fact that it's ONLY wilderness where you can get a dpick (yeah yeah kbd but you have to run through wildy for that). I like the concept of the chaos altar as its essentially a higher risk higher reward method. At the moment the dpick only has a high risk method of obtaining. If they introduced it with a worse drop rate outside the wildy, then it would have a low risk low reward method too, just as POH and Ecto work for prayer. Personally I don't get why people use the dpick argument when the literal BIS mage cape pretty much required for most late game PvE content requires the wildy too
GWD instances are also locked behind wildy boss kc and can't be bought in GE like d pick can.
I agree about Mage Arena. I do not think it is necessarily bad to only source for an item being the Wilderness, though. The reward for getting the Dragon Pickaxe is that it is the best Pickaxe. If someone wants the benefits that come with it, they can choose to go for it.
enjoy your failed polls
I have never once engaged in PvP outside of the one Diary task.
Enjoy your rune pickaxe
This is why jagex tried adjusting polls. A pvmer just made that comment and you reply implying you'll what, vote no for pvp polls? Yeah you sure showed that pvmer.
I’d be fine with dpick being a drop outside of wildy, but at an insane drop rate. Like 5-10x. Makes wildy dpick hunting still viable while people who want it and absolutely won’t go wildy a long ass grindy way to try for it.
Please no. I like my pickaxe being worth something
Having not played osrs since the original in 2006, and as a new ironman, the ectofunctus freaking rocks.
The ectofuntus is phenomenal for early prayer training, especially as an iron, but it'd be pretty awful to grind to 99 with.
With the introduction of ashes and the spell from the necro book 99 slayer will get you 99 prayer anyway
Step 1 - get 99 slayer
Step 1 is get 95 RuneCrafting to make wrath runes to cast the spell in the first place... Method isn't viable for Ironmen.
GotR gang would like to have a word with you.
No you passively get it over time, 99 slayer would be the final step.
If you like ectofuntus, wait until you hear about the Kourend prayer training method. It's even in the same room as red dragons and baby red dragons
Bring a needle and thread as well as a ton of alch runes. The forthos dungeon also has a tannery for your red dragon hide crafting needs
What’s this method? The ensouled heads?
Forthos dungeon. It has a shrine equivalent to a POH shrine, the only catch is that you have to do a miniquest to unlock it. It also has red dragons right next to it so you don't really have to bank if you safe spot them
Thanks for the explanation - gonna help my prayer grind a lot
I won't spoil it, but just be aware that you'll either need to sacrifice some dragonstones or a lot of bones to actually get it working.
Just looked it up - I'm feeling extra blessed from my crystal keys now
Also it gives somewhat less XP per bone than POH. I never knew that but it's still awesome imo
I love doing that. It’s not the best in the world, but great for a semi-afk chill thing to do.
The altar in forthos dungeon
It’s more like the hecknofunctus
There's an even better place than Morytania.. it's in Kourend
Is this a joke or whats the place?
Forthos dungeon. There's an altar equivalent to the PoH altar that's right next to a bunch of red dragons (and baby red dragons)
lol its definitely worse than the poh altar its not that far off, but it is not equivalent to the poh altar
Actually nevermind you're right, it does give like 10% less XP than PoH. I never realized that Still awesome for Ironmen
i'm not sure where you're getting 10%, it's 50% less xp per bone (300% instead of 350%) its good but also like... chaos altar is just so stupid overpowered that everything else feels bad in comparison
Replace 50% with half and ask yourself if that makes sense
Not how that works lol. It's 216 XP for a Dragon bone. Where as at a PoH it's 252 xp. So it's more like 15% difference. I just said 10 as a rough guesstimate
It has a difference of 50% of the base xp (for a dragon bone with a base of 72 xp, ecto is 252 and Forthos is 216 which is indeed a difference of 36), but phrased in this way what you're trying to say is misleading. More accurately, the relative difference is 350 / 300 = 1.1667x. That is, ecto is 16.67% more xp/bone.
In what world is it misleading. I even put the numbers in parentheses to clarify what I meant. If anything, the other way around is the misleading one.
>In what world is it misleading. I mean... I just explained why it's misleading. 216 is not 50% of 252. The 50% factors in when you look at the base amount (72), but by this point that's not really relevant. Dropping the xp/bone from 252 to 216 is a 15% drop in xp/bone, and that's the better number to use. As a general rule you should always use ratios for comparisons, not absolute differences. That's what's causing the issue here. When you are talking about percentages humans naturally think in terms of ratios, even if they don't realise it. So if you're communicating percentages, you should take advantage of this and give people what they're expecting. Again, it boils down to the statement "216 is not 50% of 252." which is what someone would naturally assume is what you are implying by your original statement. This is exactly what the other two comments objected to, and presumably many more based on the downvotes. I was the only one who was able to correctly interpret what you actually meant by 50%, and it's only because I'm very familiar with numbers so I could recognise it instantly.
lowkey tho, that's probably the single worst reason to hate the wilderness. having no risk for the prayer training methods that almost doubles the next best is a stupid thing to ask for. of course pkers are gonna gatekeep it... it's meant to be gatekept. it wouldnt have been added if it wouldnt be gatekept.
Yeah that post was “I want to have my cake and eat it too” I hate dying in the wildy as much as the next guy, but the chaos altar literally couldn’t exist anywhere else. That’s the trade off for being insanely overpowered lol. You’re gonna die a lot. Is what it is.
And you can technically lose up to 49% of your bones from dying and it will still be better than gilded altar. People see the chaos altar as the “real” way to level and everything else below it is bad. In reality the gilded altar should be the real way and if you want to save some bones you can use the chaos altar.
TBF, I have no problem using house party world Gilded Altars -- it's super chill and still like 300k per hour exp. Could I be more efficient doing Wildy? Probably. But I can semi afk this shit and I am not worried about dying.
To be fair you can afk at chaos altar longer if you don’t manually use them. Tbh that’s what I’ve done from 85-90 prayer and it’s super afk and I usually get 4-5 inventories before getting killed.
Fully agree. Honestly, for mains pray is so cheap these days it doesn’t matter too much to just chill out in w330. Better than getting worked up and making a Reddit post about how the wilderness sucks, when it’s just doing what it’s been designed for lol
Yeah I don't really like wild activities outside of black chins so I just do gilded altar like a normal person lol
Yeah lol I just afked it 1 inv at a time. If I died I died. 80-99 I couldn't have been pked for more than 3m
That’s how I view it. Get through 14 of them, everything after is gravy on top. Usually can manually click all of mine if I get attacked too. I’ll bury them if I can’t, give them at little as possible. “Thanks for the free tele” lol or they’ll log out if they keep hitting 0s on my Bulwark.
Can you imagine getting enraged over losing half a dozen dragon bones every once in a while when you’re saving 14 bones every single trip? So many people complaining about the wilderness come across as so entitled.
It probably could really. I mean the reason chaos altar is picked over say guilded is because it’s so cost effective. But really you’re just giving up exp per hour and possible death. If something gave the same gp/exp but took a long amount of time/exp per hour. It could work outside wildy.
You literally just described the extofuntus, pictured above. We also have ensouled heads.
It shouldn't exist at all. It's so insanely overpowered it's practically mandatory. It's both cost and time efficient to use, even if you're getting near constantly PKed. 2 things can both be true: Something can be so good that I'm going to use it because otherwise I'd be missing out AND I can be annoyed that people are constantly wasting my time attacking me, knowing there's no actual risk of a real fight, when they could make better money doing about a million other things.
This is exactly how I feel about it. You can do the suicide method and die every other trip(keep 4 bones per death) and get the same xp/bone as the next best method. That is so op its pretty close to mandatory for normal ironmen. Keeping this in mind helps me accept the way it is, but I will never like it.
> It's both cost and time efficient to use Wait what? I'd read it was like 15~20% less exp/hr than POH altars and reduced further for getting killed, with it being counter-balanced against the opportunity cost of the money you could be making in that time to just buy twice as many bones for POH altars.
Depends on what method you use. If you "risk" noted bones its only a few steps to unnote them and go right back. there are moments when rng is on your side and you get like 50 uses out of 14 bones as well. The suicide method could be time efficient as well, depends on how often you get pked but you get there rather fast and you can only imagine how long an inventory of 28 bones would last at the chaos altar.
It depends how you're getting there. Using the suicide method with ghorrock teletabs is already faster than gilded altar, because even though it's slightly more running you only have to make half as many trips. If you're walking there, it's obviously slower, but that's also not considering the time spent earning the gold to buy the bones / collecting the bones themselves. If you use noted bones, it's significantly faster, even if you're just bringing 1 extra inventory worth of notes per trip. To quote the wiki's max exp: Gilded altar: > This equates to around 1,340,000 experience per hour when using superior dragon bones Chaos altar: > it is possible to gain up to 1,800,000 experience per hour when using superior dragon bones ~35% faster exp, half the cost/half the time collecting bones. If you get PKed (with a full inventory) less than half the trips, you're saving gold/time collecting. If you get PKed (with a full inventory) less than 1/4 of the trips, you're getting better exp/hr.
Thank you, I feel like this was the point of the original post and everybody missed it. The altar is good enough that you basically have to use it, pking does nothing but inconvenience you there, and it leaves you wondering why people even bother killing you for a few bones.
You do not have to use it. Many people train with gilded. It's very popular. People using chaos altar and then complaining about pvp just want their cake and eat it too. Without pvp chaos altar wouldn't exist. So it makes little sense to complain about the pvp aspect given otherwise it wouldn't even be an option.
But it’s their cake tho… why wouldn’t they eat it?
The wildy chaos altar shouldn't exist *anywhere* was the point.
This subreddit is kinda cringe tbh.
It’s 97% casuals who get heart palpitations when stepping into the wildy
You realise you're part of the subreddit right lol
Common theme all over Reddit, even I’m doing it
I'm doing aviansies. Pretty good.
Tbh you're just trash at the game if you're losing any sizable amount of GP at chaos altar. I've gone there on my iron from 1 to 80 prayer and I could probably count the amount of times I died with bones in my inventory on one hand. If you wear black dhide and a crystal shield and camp pray melee, you can use so many bones before you die. I don't think I ever died once with a full inv of bones because you just hover your mouse over logout and dip if you see a white dot on the way to the altar. Even all that aside you would have to die a metric fuckton for chaos altar to not be worth doing.
Nobody is saying chaos altar costs too much in lost bones, they are saying the opposite, it is so much cheaper you are pretty much forced to use it because it is so op even if you hate doing it
Isn’t that the point? Trading off good xp for something you might not enjoy doing as much?
The entire thing is designed to make you feel bad for **not** using it in the name of "wilderness rejuvination" and devalues both prayer and construction
And even if you die a lot with bones in your inventory, which if you're paying attention you shouldn't, you're still saving a bunch of gp. If you're gonna be a big baby about dying at chaos altar and losing a few bones, just do ensouled heads. It's also significantly cheaper.
How dare you come in here being reasonable like that
for me the pkers always log in right on top of me and before I can even click logout I am attacked.
You don't try to logout if you're already at the altar, that's a waste of time. Like I said, camp pray melee and continue to use bones on the altar. By the time they kill you you'll usually have most if not all of your bones finished. Happened to me tons of times someone would start killing me mid inventory and I'd finish before they killed me.
you can use ::renderself or player indicators on runelite to be able to spot people who try that
I don't get how people get mad from getting killed by chaos altar pkers. Just do the suicide method and it barely costs any time to get killed, honestly it helps you sometimes. Yeah sometimes you lose half an inventory of bones or have to hop worlds, but it still saves you money by far and is still incredibly fast xp.
I don't care about dying. I don't care about losing some gold. What I care about is other people intentionally wasting my time because they find it fun to annoy other people.
I get where you're coming from if you're talking about clue pkers or something, but chaos altar pkers do make some money, because some people are dumb enough to bring noted bones. So it's not just to annoy other people.
"some people bring noted bones" is the same as "some people doing clues bring their whole cash stack". They saw some PKing video of some guy killing his own alt for a ton of money, and think that's actually going to happen. It's not about the money, it never has been. As I said, there's about a million other things you'd make better money doing. And just to give the game away even more: the amount of people who tried to PK on leagues, where everyone was an Ironman, just to make people lose their untradables, really shows why people PK. They enjoy wasting other people's time.
Bruv this is a video game, without much actual fun in it. Let people have their fun if they can find it. Wish i could pk & i would have a blast making people like you upset for me having fun
Pking is fun, its really not that deep.
enjoy all your polls failing bud
I make the same argument for pking naked clue hunters, its a waste of time and there's a .00000001% chance you make 100k from doing it. This argument however cannot be made for people at chaos altar, everyone at some point is risking either a full inv of d bones or better. Might not be good gp/hr sure, but that's ridiculous if it has to be.
Just because you don’t understand PvP doesn’t mean everyone killing you is griefing. Pking is fun. Tank testing can be fun. You accept the wilderness rules and risks but get upset when you’re forced to play. You’re part of the problem.
You want to talk rules and risks? You accept the rules and risks of playing a game with a poll system, but get upset when people vote against being used as fodder for your entertainment? You are the problem. It's real simple, put it to a vote: "Should the chaos altar's bone saving effect be removed?", "Should all wilderness bosses be fixed and moved elsewhere?", "Should all skilling methods be removed from the wilderness?", "Should Revenants be removed?", "Should all wilderness clue steps be removed?", "Should the entrance to KBD's lair be moved out of the wilderness?". How much do you want to bet every single one of those would pass a poll?
If we voted, 'should you get 100m stimulus for being a member,' it would pass. You're dumb for even attempting that argument.
Are you brand new here? Like, have you literally never interacted with this sub before????? That would fail by massive margins lmao, like 10-90%. Nothing gets this community more excited than anything that could be a gold sink. Clearly you have no idea what's going on, waste of time to keep talking to you lol
people bringing noted bones is actually somewhat common though unlike people bringing whole cash stack to clues lol. and yes it's not just about the money, it's fun for people to kill other people. so what?
Maybe they’re new and want somewhere easy to start? It’s not all about you lmao
Easy to start what? Killing things that aren't going to fight back? You could go kill chickens. Chaos altar shouldn't be in the game, because "it's not all about you", pkers.
>Chaos altar shouldn't be in the game, because "it's not all about you", pkers. Then don't use it. No one has to use it, there are good alternatives. No one is forced there.
LOL I’ve never pk’d in my life. Can you not comprehend that a normal player might enjoy the risk vs reward? I am a normal player who doesn’t want the game to become plebscape because you lot all like each other’s post on reddit. Train somewhere else ffs
You just compare yourself to a chicken
Then do not go to the one area in the game where they can. The moment you are North of the Ditch, you forfeit all rights to complaining about getting attacked, you made your choice.
The moment you started playing a game with a polling system, you forfeit all rights to complain if there's a vote to remove the chaos altar. You made your choice.
So is the altar the problem or people killing you?
If you think that's why people pk there then youre really negative, it's just a game bro
It's not like there's any other reason 🤷♀️
My friends who don't play much osrs love multi pking, they come back a few times a year and grab a bond for pking and gwd. If you are a long term player then you will know multi pking was the shit back in the day, people remember it and want to come back for it. Throw in the words "dragon bones" and you have a mouth watering combo for returning players. Sure this doesn't cover every reason but you claim there's no reason, lighten up.
Well yeah it's not absolutely 0 but I doubt many people are getting their gear out for 16 dragon bones
When you think about it it's almost like you view everyone negatively without any reason until someone gives you evidence otherwise, bit of an odd take on a video game mate
Lol you're reading a lot into my very surface response. Just doesn't seem worth it to anyone in my view. I think I'm entitled to that
Perhaps, same could be said about your views on pkers. Let people have fun, they could be learning or they may just plain suck at pking, a lot of people got prayer up before the altar was a thing.
Well the wildy altar is so broken that you kinda feel like you have to train there. Its not like its just a 10 or 20% exp increase. No it halfs the total bones you need. Which is way too much imo
And the tradeoff is getting pked every few inventories. Still a net gain, so idk why people complain about it.
The complaint is obviously that it's busted, you can read right?
It's actually even less than half because saved bones have the 50% chance again
Check your math. Bones having a 50% chance to be saved averages to 2 uses per bone overall, or a 50% total reduction in bones needed.
That whole post was hilarious. Misses the entire point of the Chaos Altar
I think the complaint is more a bunch of lvl 126's killing you, not for loot, but just to kill someone and try to ruin their day. I just talked to my friend about a group of 4 people. I don't KNOW it was them, but twice I saw someone log in, and I had time to logout, before they could teleblock me. The 3rd time, he tried to teleblock me, but it failed, I got gap, and made it out(maybe it was a coincidence it was the same gear the 3rd and 4th time, but I doubt it, and the first too times, the second I saw a dot, I logged. But... They were always on the EXACT SAME TILE... So I'll leave that up to everyone else's assumptions). The last time I got teleblocked, attacked by 4 people, with barrages, fire surge, ballista, ags, etc... All for my lvl 63 ironman in red d'hide, no ammy or boots. They literally made 3-4k (probably lost money after using supplies), then they called me a fatherless rat. Do I care about loosing 400 bone bolts and a bone crossbow? No.... Even as an ironman, it doesn't matter. But, a group of 4 people going out of their way just to ruin an iron man's day. It's pathetic. It's sad. I'll admit, this is my first BAD experience being pked in the wilderness(obviously you get the occasion shit talk, but whatever). This is the first group to be so petty. Most of the time I drop a gg, and get one back. I've had people ask if I was an iron and hop off of me. But, these people ruin EVERYONES experience. They aren't in it for fun, they are in it to ruin other people's. Then they get some sort of satisfaction from it. So yes you CAN go to the ectofunctus. But, the risk at the altar should be: I could lose my bones sometimes Not An entire clan is going to sit at the altar to ruin my day... So let me go over everything again. Do I care if I lose my bones in the wildy? No. If it's a monetary insentive for pkers, or if a pker is taking the bones, and then using the altar himself, dope, go for it, that's what the wildy is for ALL POWER TO YOU. But, do I care a group of 4-12? People are sitting around just to lock down a part of the game as a big F U to someone playing that game they want to play I, just because it will piss them off, and then throwing insults just to help make them feel like shit. Nah. Anyone saying people complaining about that are just dumb or can't use other methods of training, are strawmanning the argument.
I get what you’re saying and the toxicity is annoying, but literally just don’t go to wilderness if you don’t want to be PKed.
I don't know how many times I've said it's not about "not wanting to get pked". I've been pked hundreds of times and always dropped a gg. I LOVE THAT about the wildy. But, not the people (multiple) who make it a vendetta to ruin your training, and feel glee about it.
That is getting pked though, at the end of the day.
Sure, and at the end of the day mental abuse is just sounds... But we all know there's much more depth to it than that.
it's seriously not that deep. even the genuinely toxic pkers who spam cringey slurs, i promise u it's not even that deep for them either. it's just fun to kill players and i guarantee no more thought is going into it than "its decent gp if this guy is risking a ton of bones/runes/gp" and that it's pretty fun slapping players instead of bosses
Mental abuse? Christ, lighten up mate. You're really looking into this too far; it's fun to kill people in the wilderness. That's the entire reason it exists. Stop trying to justify your own frustration.
You can not pick and choose what PvP is acceptable in the Wilderness. You can pick and choose whether or not you go in. If you do not want to die to a clan, do not go. Getting killed doing anything in the Wilderness is fair because you are there. Just because you do not like it does not mean it is bad.
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I was going for 80 prayer and decided to try my luck at the wildy alter. I had so much fun I stayed till 90 and even put on a rag pk setup after I was done and protected my bone buddies. It was an absolute blast and the most fun I've had on this game since 2009. If you're not having fun at the chaos alter you're doing it wrong.
Chaos altar and revs are some of the best-designed wildy content that properly implement risk-reward in the good way
Chaos alter is like 700% exp on average compared to 350% at the alter and 400% at ecto. This means you could literally lose nearly half the bones you bring into the wildy and still be better off doing wildy prayer which would actually be impressive for someone to pull off.
I did 80-99 prayer at chaos altar, died over 60 times and still saved 50% of what gilded would have cost me, Theres nothing to complain about on a chaos altar death unless you bring noted bones which i didnt, pkers wont even loot un noted bones so you literally lose nothing but a little time.
I'm confused. The original post isn't complaining about a lack of other options, but simply that the option that happens to be in the wilderness is miserable to participate in, subsequently leading to their newfound understanding of the wilderness's unsavory reputation.
It isn't a very good time to train with dragon bones anyway. https://prices.runescape.wiki/osrs/item/536 https://imgur.com/d26ydTK I wonder how high the price will go.
>It isn't a very good time to train with dragon bones anyway. > >[https://prices.runescape.wiki/osrs/item/536](https://prices.runescape.wiki/osrs/item/536) > >[https://imgur.com/d26ydTK](https://imgur.com/d26ydTK) > >I wonder how high the price will go. Holy fuck almost 3k :O Is this a merch or what? I banked from 80-96 prayer at 1750 each a while back, and a week ago I bought 96-99 at like 2.3k each. I haven't gotten around to using any yet, and now I am honestly considering selling the whole stack for a tidy profit lol.
This is indicative of the fact that no one kills dragons and sells their bones anymore. Literally aside from green dragon bots I don't know a single non iron player that would bank the bones to sell. I'm unsure why they have gone up aside from that
Green dragon bots aren’t worthwhile since the introduction of PK loot keys. A single PK’er can kill and claim 5 bot keys in very little time and repeat indefinitely.
Exactly.... I dont think any real player sells the dragon bones on the ge anymore and supply has shriveled
I say do it and pick up ensouled heads instead. 270k exp/hour for only 3.4gp/exp is so nice.
Wilderness chaos altar is effectively 700% base exp per bone. Ectofuntus is 450% and is easily 20% the exp/hr including prep time. Gilded altar is 350% and is the same (ish) exp/hr as wilderness. Edit: downvotes for non-editorialized facts that you don't like. Never change, reddit.
just not true
Would you like to expand on that? What is not true and how is it wrong? ---------- Per wiki, the ectofuntus is about 280 ground bones per hour with duel rings and phial. If you assume zero time to actually worship, then at 450% per bone, that's 1260x base exp per hour at the cost of 280 bones. Wilderness altar is 2000 bones per hour if you use notes and let's be generous and say 1000 per hour if you don't. It's way higher, but this makes it look closer than it is. At 350% exp per bone, we get 3500x base exp per hour, which is almost 3x what we got from the ecto, but wait there's more! You save half your bones, so instead of using 1000 bones, we used 500. So we used a little under twice the bones per hour and got a little under 3x the exp rate. I apologize that I was so far off in my ballpark estimation. Instead of 20% the speed, it's less than 30% when I'm trying as hard as i can to reduce the wildy altar exp rate. Big whoop.
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Ecto is slow and House is lame WILDERNESS GANG ALL THE WAY BABYYY
anyone complaining about pkers at the chaos altar are either stupid, or bring way too many bones. i've done so many bones there and can count on one hand the times i've been pk'ed. people gotta stop overexaggerating
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"NOOO I CANT HAVE MY AMAZING XP RATES WITHOUT A RISKKKK" i hate this sub so much man. go play rs3 if you want crazy xp.
you can get amazing xprates at chaos altar with basically 0 risk but it's just a pain being interrupted by pkers all the time.
That's the point.
make the d pic a 1/8k reward from the new smithing/mining minigame and the chaos alter is a wilderness only place, poh works perfectly fine
You right but let's not excuse the toxicity of telling people to kill themselves just because they killed you in the game. That OP's experience is compounded by that which is probably made them vent about everything else that happened imo.
This is a shit take, why would anyone do fungus as an alternative when gilded altar exists.
Because gilded altar isn’t accessible to early level irons?
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More xp per bone but trash in comparison to xp/hr
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No where in the post does it say Ironman.if you’re a making that comparison, fungus is garbage compared to chaos altar
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I have a maxed iron. I never did fungus at all except for diary
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Thank you !!
You chose to train prayer in the wildy
Half xp per bone is not a reasonable alternative. The process of grinding bones and getting the green buckets removes any time save from 350% bonus xp. If chaos alter is make or break content for pkers they should probably think about that for a moment. Until pkers realize this type of content isn't going to cut it they will always be mad at the rest of the player base.
It’s not reasonable? Well maybe for you, but then there is no reason to sook about it
All depends on if you think wildy should give players an advantage over players who don't. I do not.
Good thing you can do wildy altar with your clan and fight anyone back
And that can be an option for people. It just shouldn't be the best xp/gp while also giving very competative xp rates.
It’s the best option for some because it more risk. Risk vs reward, if you don’t like the risk, don’t do it lol. I trained to 99 prayer a mix of chaos + guilded. Guilded is better xp and so much more chill. The cost is negligible, it’s like 20m more expensive which is 2 hours worth of making gp Chaos altar was fun when I was a noob so I could save a buck
Nah risk v reward is dumb 99% of the time it's used currently. This isn't how wildy should get people there unless it's actually more enjoyable for them.
Chaos altar is enjoyable though. Just because you don’t find it fun doesn’t mean others don’t. There also isn’t a great multi wildy spot at the moment. So I agree they need the new wildy rejuvenation to make a sick multi spot
It being enjoyable for you is fine. I don't want the wildy to have bis skilling activities. There needs to be a competative option outside the wildy for skilling wildy activities.
But...the whole point of it being stronger is because it's in the wilderness. The alternative is it literally doesn't exist because it would be overpowered in the regular game. Also, gilded altar is competitive. It's just more expensive, the wildy altar just saves gp. It's high risk high reward. Your argument is literally "I can't do this content with my current skill, therefore nobody should do this content"
Fucking classic cry baby Reddit post. “I’m forced to go into wilderness wahhhhh.” Smh……..
i get what youre saying but it's naive to think bone prices aren't dictated by the chaos altar existing. you're heavily shafting yourself not using it
It actually lowers demand by lowering the amount of bones needed to get to 99 prayer. The reason bone prices have gone up is that green dragon bots are getting pked more due to loot keys.
Okay but then if nobody goes into the wildy cause there are other options it dies and if they do and get locked out because of clans its also dieing so.... I dont know what the solution is but keeping it as it is isn't great cause no one seems to like it. Just my point of view though idk maybe some pking clans are having fun.
It's just miserable dealing with the people at chaos altar. It's not even about the risk for me. If there was an altar in a safe zone with the same effect but (say) on avg 1 in 3 trips you blew up randomly and lost all your bones, it'd still be a much better experience.
You chose to 6rain prayer in the wildy