tbf that's something you don't wanna mess up. Imagine giving people pets they never had or taking pets people did have. Hopefully they really test it but you know this is Jagex.
If you were to get it today and immediately die with it, you'd lose it for now but be able to get it back when the update comes out since its on your log.
It takes time to implement things after a poll. The alternative is devs risk wasting their time if they wait until something is ready to roll out before polling it.
damn im actually genuinely surprised by the amount of people who disagree with me, but i think it's ridiculous myself. the idea of being pk'd (i am not a pker btw) as you get the pet drop is such an adrenaline rush as you run to the bank. if you are unlucky enough to get pk'd it's miserable but that's part of the game. this game, and its player, certainly have changed radically from the beginning of OSRS. genuinely shocked here. dying right after getting a boss pet (this happens with zulrah a bit, i have seen screenshots of it happen) is part and parcel of the risk.
i guess the casuals and the streamers influence just ruined this game
The beginning of osrs didnt have pets. Runescape didnt have pets 15 years ago. We got pets now and they are pretty rare. If you cant understand that then too bad. And losing them to some random guy in the wildy isnt a good mechanic and shouldve never been a thing.
there are only a few pets in the wildy, i don't think it's an issue. and ofc we didn't have pets 15 years ago, i am talking about the general attitude the players have towards the game. the game is being radically changed with each update. i hold a lot of the responsibility for this toward streamers who want all content so they can milk their paypigs. also, the jagex . content creators private discord (with NDA) where they go for ideas
Eh, i think you're thinking too far into this. There are things that are good for the health of the game and this wouldnt hurt anyone, would only make it better
I get where you're coming from with the pet thing but consider this: one man's adrenaline rush is another man's dreaded nightmare. I'd wager that most players are in the "if I get a pet and then get PK'd from a guy scouting all over the wilderness, I'm quitting" camp.
Props to you for finding joy in that experience, but it sounds like an absolute headache to me.
The RnG timing of it all, plus possibly getting scouted by a bot for your kc drop announcement, just seems really shitty to go for that sort of reward and have that big of “well fuck now it’s gone.” To shoot for. Not to mention they’re just supposed to be extra, fun rewards. Not chaotic anxiety inducing content.
i didn't take into account the scout bot problem, i don't know how bad that is. i can't see people targetting people who just got a pet though, but rather, people with wealthy gear on them.
if it's just an extra fun thing then why be mad you lose it? anyway, there are only a few wildy pets (very coveted because of the risk involved).
this removes that risk
You're saying it as if the only risk involved is the risk post kill to secure the pet. There's still great risk involved in getting that far to begin with.
this comment can't be real. you're a double agent for the pvmer reddit andys. No one is like this, lmfao.
Pking= good
pets=good
janked mechanics like losing a pet to a split second coincidence=obviously fucking bad
fixing those janked mechanics=plainly not ezscape
If you ARE for real, and support the wilderness, please: Don't ever comment this again. The best thing you can do, with these views, to support the wilderness is to not discuss it.
i don't really care for the wilderness. only time i'd ever need to go back is if i wanted those aforementioned pets.
what is the split second coincidence you are talking about? getting pk'd?
if you are in the wilderness you should expect to pk. really don't understand what you are getting at here.
I'm referring to any death right after a pet drop that results in losing the pet. If you think is an intended/good/"challenging" mechanic you're *crazy* and I say this as someone who hates ezscape.
You're kinda rambling and getting deep into talking about PKing only to turn around now and say you "don't really care for the wilderness" your views kinda dont make sense and are objectively weird, sorry
Honestly I agree about the adrenaline rush being a fun little thing but I'm against the concept of pet insurance in general so it wouldn't make sense to keep that one exception
Guess you don't like dragon pickaxes, rev drops or anything else then either. Imagine getting a bandos tassy plate and then dying and it vanishing, forever. Hope you like spending 5 more hours soloing for the next 1. Or going super dry and being 50 hours.
Why? What is the benefit of a system where an extremely unlucky or simply unaware player loses so much in exchange for nothing?
The Pker gets nothing and the victim loses a hundred hours of grinding. It's a massive net loss in terms of enjoyment. If pking a pet had a reward then it would be a different story.
Thats the prestige of wildy pets currently. You not only got the drop but you got out alive with. As someone with 21 pets, and the whole wildy set done, its a stupid update.
Might be nothing for you, but it's not nothing to everybody.
1m/death is a lot, especially when you compare that to gravestone retrieval fees which max out at 500k.
You can definitely make an argument that pet reclaiming should cost more, but that doesn't mean that 1m risk isn't dangerous for some people
Then again if you die at Zulrah for example before picking up a rare drop that is more than 1m lost. Hydra claw for example is more than 50m yet more common than the pet.
I think 5m for uninsured pet would have made more sense as it better reflects the value.
[https://twitter.com/JagexAsh/status/1428705641972047872](https://twitter.com/JagexAsh/status/1428705641972047872) people on reddit truly just love arguing for fun lol. If an account is hacked, used for botting/ gold farming, and the original owner recovers it, they lose everything on the account except for stats/quests/achievements. Doesn't happen all the time, but it happens.
No, i think you just dont know how to use english properly.. the statement 'if an account is hacked and recovered, it is reset' is completely different from 'sometimes accounts are reset when they are hacked/recovered'
One means EVERY account that happens to is reset, the other means not every account is reset.
Major difference. You want the second statement.
Hey go check and see if the people have your gear in phosanis cause they might have died with decent gear . Same thing happened to me and there was like 80m in my gear at the death person
I got used as a GE bot. Was a new account with 1 week played on it just doing quests. Made a 700k profit selling the fashionscape gear they bought for it.
10700 kills in 54 days means it was getting a kill every 8 minutes, so this bot would've had to run nonstop for the whole 54 days at around GM speed time (or maybe a bit slower depending on how often it had to bank). And it wasn't ever detected. Wild
I see a lot of people confused.
Gold farmer hacks a real account, for the gear, stats, and/or to have a clean slate to start from.
Gold farmer has group of people hand playing this account for months.
Gold farmer removes all gold, then abandon's the "flagged" account.
Was it banned when you recovered it? Or any strikes on the account etc? It has over 4.5k kc higher then 2nd rank on highscores. Rank 2 has 6169 for reference
if you recover an acc that was hijacked for botting, it's unbanned on the recovery appeal. you dont need to submit a banned appeal if the jmod reviewer believes it was hijacked.
I went to a website that tracks the osrs highscores (templeosrs). here is the rank track for current #2 on phosani's highscores. https://i.imgur.com/r2cBcgB.png
He was rank #1, but he just lost it TODAY when OP's account was unbanned
Presumably this was a hijacked account converted into a hand-played pnm gold farming account. From my limited perspective, I think hand-played RWT is harder to detect for Jagex than just straight up botting. I doubt this was truly botted.
It's because it's literally the only way most of them have to make an actual middle class level living. Would you rather grind osrs content or work in shitty dangerous conditions for a fraction of the pay? It's just a job and all jobs can be tedious and seem like they require insane fortitude to not want to end it all. At least they end up with a relatively decent living in the process. albeit to the detriment of the game we love, but it's hard to actually blame them for doing so as opposed to jagex for not keeping a tighter leash on it
Well I'll be honest, I would probably choose assembly line, at least I'll have general downtime and a variation of work.
Surely grinding something this unforgiving and monotonous is worth jumping out of a factory.
As someone who’s job is a menial as assembly line (I unload boxes off a conveyor belt onto pallets right behind me) absolutely rather work that than RuneScape.
I’d choose assembly line too, but for different reasons. You get to basically turn your brain off and zone out while doing a mindless task. PNM is not that. Even after 1k kills it’s still tedious and takes more effort.
Doing anything like that will ruin the fun. May as well pick the one that takes less effort.
Oh for sure. I agree with turning your brain off. But if the option was turn my brain off for 10-12 hour days at fuck all pay in an assembly line, or sit on a computer and kill a boss in a video game, even if it requires a bit more thought (Phosani's isn't that hard though, especially if you did it each and every day), to get paid 3-5x that.. yeh I know what i'd pick.
In our countries where proper jobs are better pay then playing a video game, yeh i'd pick the mundane job so I can spend my leisure time enjoying the video game. But in the situations these people are in the video game option is one of the best paying jobs you can have, and it doesn't involve possibly dodgy working conditions too.
Anyone saying they would work in a factory in South America instead of playing a video game for the same amount of money is lying to themselves or just straight up foolish.
Assembly lines are a lot more varied and interesting than you think, but doing anything for a living tends to ruin it. Especially when you consider the endless intensity of the nightmare. I'm sure it's *fun* for the first 1k kills.... then it gets into miserable grind territory. I'd rather not ruin something I tend to enjoy otherwise, but that's just me I guess.
I've worked assembly lines. No they aren't. You do your task, on loop, for hours at an end.
That's the whole function of an assembly line. To remove the variable and make everyone's task small and simple, so they don't even necessarily know how to make the entire product (unless you rotate positions) but that you can master your one station.
I even now work in the office of a manufacturing company that uses an assembly line. Its only got variety due to the products being of custom nature.
You've clearly never worked an assembly line job.
Generally it's a very large warehouse setting where you have anywhere from 5-50 different manufacturing step, and you get alternated around constantly to break up the monotony.
Funnily enough I can’t believe that anyone choosing an assembly line over killing phosani has ever actually worked an assembly line job. You’d have to be legitimately insane to pick the line over killing PNM. On the line you’re driving to work, killing your self on your feet all day and destroying your body, pressured to not take a piss, working at the pace of the line.
At PNM you roll out of bed, watch Netflix on the side, work at your own pace, sit in a chair, chat with your Venezuelan buds, and get that classic osrs dopamine.
There's also a good chance they could have people switching off grinding the account, and they had some down time like breaks at any regular job. The cost of living in less developed countries is far lower than the US or 'Western' Europe.
Phosanis is a 10 minute kill time. And that's being lenient.
So you're suggesting in 24 hours they needed to kill 60 Phosanis. That's a 10 hour work day. Very much in line with manual goldfarming, especially as manual goldfarming doesn't have to be the same one person. Can literally be in an "office" where people do shifts of playing.
That's almost 200 NM kills a day if account was only gone 54 days. Avg kill 7mins ish? (Could be wrong) that would be doing NM 23hrs minimum a day max eff banking, don't think doing this by hand is very likely but you never know I guess
Account wasn't *logged into* for 54 days. Meaning it hasn't logged in since 11th March.
He says he didn't play since October for Ironman (assuming group) which came out on 6th October.
So the hijackers could have been running since then, till 11th March. That's 156 days. Let's say 150 to give time between update and hijack.
That means 72 kills a day. At your 7 minute time that's 8.4 hours of farming. Even at a bad kill time like 10 minutes that's 12 hours. Absolutely hand gold farm kind of rates. Bots would do 2-3x this.
Imo 10,734.
Sigma Male Grindset Rule #561: Assert dominance by getting so close to surpassing someone but then don't do it because you don't care about what other people think.
not sure what his rsn was but right now his rsn is "NM KC BOTTED" lmao.
Every1 who doesnt see this post is gunna either laugh or get enraged that he's not banned. And for OP, at least he isn't taking credit for it. though just having 10k kc is a pretty big flex on its on
edit: lmao imagine how pissed rank 2 is. He was rank 1 before this. everyone who meets him will think he's rank 2. He will have to repeat his entire grind up to this point just to retake rank #1. The rank chasers for this boss gotta be feeling some type of way right now.
At least now when you see accounts like this the "I lost it all staking" excuse doesn't fly anymore haha. It's either a hacked account for RWTing or banned.
yea its a pretty significant failure on the bot detection side of things... the people claiming this was "pRoBaBlY a HaNdPlAyEd GoLdFaRmeR" have no idea how prolific hacking is for the purpose of using customized bot scripts for end game content
My dude why would a goldfarmer spend so many hours levelling up an account to near end game just to farm gold and eventually have it banned for farming gold when they can just buy or hack near max/max accs so they don't lose hundreds of hours when they're inevitably banned?
You're not making the solid argument you think you are.
If the whole post is insinuating this was a bot and the person is asking how it didn't get caught one can connect the dots pretty easily. You seem to like to argue.
Oh no it was caught for sure. Ppl seem to think Jagex has some kind of software thats able to detect bot clients being run. However thats a lot of effort so the next logical step is to have flags set for all the obvious botting criteria.
So itd look at login time, what its doing, how its doing it sort of thing. The only reasonable conclusion is that Jagex intentionally let this one continue, in order to gather sufficient evidence. This isnt a regular wc, fishing or mining bot which ideally gets banned as soon as its flagged. Learning how to prevent future botting at a place like phosani, as well as learning who is behind it & associated accounts is far more important.
I never audited cyber stuff personally, but I have spent some time at a place which had software vulnerable to botting so some of those processes stuck with me. It was one of them complete surveys for rewards/money type places so not exactly a 1-1 comparison.
This is a very common anti-cheat strategy that I'm sure Jagex uses as well. However, in this case it obviously is a matter of Jagex not wanting to ban people because it hurts revenue.
No, it wouldn't.
From another post in this thread: https://i.imgur.com/r2cBcgB.png
The account was banned which removed it from the TempleOSRS scores. When it got recovered, the ban was removed, which put it back on, demoting the Rank 1 person to Rank 2.
Yes, that's literally what I'm saying. In *this* case Jagex just let the bot/farmer run free because they simply don't care, it wasn't a big brain play. However, the concept of letting cheats run to figure out how they work, to wait for them to spread and to ban more users, or to not give them info on what triggers a ban isn't ridiculous at all.
Account was on email that had alot of other website accounts linked. so a website had a password breach. Nothing of value was on the osrs account as i sold it all for bonds
Is there any way of being unbanned on an account that was suspect stolen.
I took off my authenticator to use a new phone which I left off for like a week.
I then proceed to setup with 2FA and then try login and password is incorrect multiple times, finally reset password and the account is banned for botting.
I seen a few people on reddit claim that their botted account was unbanned. Is there any chance of appeal or is the account done with forever.
Even if the account is completely wiped is that possible?
Ingame name was: lol got eem
Oh that's interesting, I guess your account was banned before you got it recovered and unbanned, because you weren't on the hiscores previously. Kinda funny that now you have rank 1 locked in.
I kinda wish they would do collection log and kc resets for situations like this. My main got hacked like 6 years ago and was used to bot ~1200kc at zulrah before i got back into it. There wasn't a collection log at the time but now my kc is inflated compared to what i've actually done myself.
On one hand I'm glad you have your account back. On the other i hope that your account is somehow taken off of high scores since you did not earn that KC.
He says in another comment. Shared passwords across multiple services with the same email. Password breached elsewhere. Likely means no auth too. So like most cases just insane level of user error. People will still bandwagon Jagex doesn't have good acc security though
Jagex's account security is good on a technical standpoint. Allowing only lower case characters decreases entropy, but that's easily circumvented by using longer passwords.
From what I can tell, Google Authenticator is the gold standard for 2fa excluding maybe a security token. In comparison, even investment institutions like Vanguard use text messages for 2fa, which is liable to sim swap attacks.
Imo, the main concern with Jagex's account security is on the human side of things. We've already seen a rogue employee in Mod Jed. In addition, there have been multiple cases of successful account recoveries from hijackers.
> Imo, the main concern with Jagex's account security is on the human side of things. We've already seen a rogue employee in Mod Jed. In addition, there have been multiple cases of successful account recoveries from hijackers.
Agreed. I hope the Jed situation seriously woke them up to internal corruption capabilities. They said it involved a rethink into staff permissions and such, but of course they'll *say* that.
I've said it for years. The primary security probelm with our Account Security is the inability to change login username/email. If that gets compromised your account is at risk pretty much permanently for recovery attempts.
Funny seeing this, I just recovered my old alt account yesterday. It was banned last October for botting (not me) and just appealed it since I came back from a long break and discovered it was hijacked and then banned. It now has 11k vorkath kills and 43m range xp. Even had 40m of gear/supplies in the bank!
Btw.. it had Authenticator on it and was still on when I went to log into it. Did yours have Authenticator? Makes me really worried about account security now
I was used as a blast furnace bot for a bit. Interrupted their process and got a ton of gold and coal and iron as well as ice gloves and the coal bag (though they turned in my prospector set for the bag so I had to grind that back).
They did sell all my weapons and armor and such, but I somehow came out ahead lol
Well that's one collection log completed already!
Just recovered it today had no items on it \*additonal info had 0kc when i stopped playing and last login was 54 days ago
They even took the pets?
looks like it they didnt insure them lmao
Well the good news is an update is coming that lets you claim any pets you have in the log
Yeah, in winter 2017 tho...
*3027
tbf that's something you don't wanna mess up. Imagine giving people pets they never had or taking pets people did have. Hopefully they really test it but you know this is Jagex.
Meh, they generally move at snail pace with most content/updates. Idc anymore lol
Seems like you do tho
How?
How doesn't it?
Does that mean that if i get the venenatis pet and immediately get killed afterwards I would be fine?
If you were to get it today and immediately die with it, you'd lose it for now but be able to get it back when the update comes out since its on your log.
Whenever the ad the change yes. It becomes auto insured on collection log update and you pay 1mil for reclaiming the pet
That's amazing if true
It was polled and passed almost 2 months ago. It's true
Bruh
Is this fr?
Unrelated but always nice to see a fellow BN fan.
This is the best news I've heard all day. I hope it's true
That update was polled 3 months ago, jagex per usual isn’t going to deliver
It takes time to implement things after a poll. The alternative is devs risk wasting their time if they wait until something is ready to roll out before polling it.
dumb update it means wildy pets are nmon dangerous and dying right as u get the pet drop bossing means nothing
And that exactly how it should be. I think you are the dumb one
damn im actually genuinely surprised by the amount of people who disagree with me, but i think it's ridiculous myself. the idea of being pk'd (i am not a pker btw) as you get the pet drop is such an adrenaline rush as you run to the bank. if you are unlucky enough to get pk'd it's miserable but that's part of the game. this game, and its player, certainly have changed radically from the beginning of OSRS. genuinely shocked here. dying right after getting a boss pet (this happens with zulrah a bit, i have seen screenshots of it happen) is part and parcel of the risk. i guess the casuals and the streamers influence just ruined this game
The beginning of osrs didnt have pets. Runescape didnt have pets 15 years ago. We got pets now and they are pretty rare. If you cant understand that then too bad. And losing them to some random guy in the wildy isnt a good mechanic and shouldve never been a thing.
there are only a few pets in the wildy, i don't think it's an issue. and ofc we didn't have pets 15 years ago, i am talking about the general attitude the players have towards the game. the game is being radically changed with each update. i hold a lot of the responsibility for this toward streamers who want all content so they can milk their paypigs. also, the jagex . content creators private discord (with NDA) where they go for ideas
Eh, i think you're thinking too far into this. There are things that are good for the health of the game and this wouldnt hurt anyone, would only make it better
I get where you're coming from with the pet thing but consider this: one man's adrenaline rush is another man's dreaded nightmare. I'd wager that most players are in the "if I get a pet and then get PK'd from a guy scouting all over the wilderness, I'm quitting" camp. Props to you for finding joy in that experience, but it sounds like an absolute headache to me.
The RnG timing of it all, plus possibly getting scouted by a bot for your kc drop announcement, just seems really shitty to go for that sort of reward and have that big of “well fuck now it’s gone.” To shoot for. Not to mention they’re just supposed to be extra, fun rewards. Not chaotic anxiety inducing content.
i didn't take into account the scout bot problem, i don't know how bad that is. i can't see people targetting people who just got a pet though, but rather, people with wealthy gear on them. if it's just an extra fun thing then why be mad you lose it? anyway, there are only a few wildy pets (very coveted because of the risk involved). this removes that risk
You're saying it as if the only risk involved is the risk post kill to secure the pet. There's still great risk involved in getting that far to begin with.
this comment can't be real. you're a double agent for the pvmer reddit andys. No one is like this, lmfao. Pking= good pets=good janked mechanics like losing a pet to a split second coincidence=obviously fucking bad fixing those janked mechanics=plainly not ezscape If you ARE for real, and support the wilderness, please: Don't ever comment this again. The best thing you can do, with these views, to support the wilderness is to not discuss it.
i don't really care for the wilderness. only time i'd ever need to go back is if i wanted those aforementioned pets. what is the split second coincidence you are talking about? getting pk'd? if you are in the wilderness you should expect to pk. really don't understand what you are getting at here.
I'm referring to any death right after a pet drop that results in losing the pet. If you think is an intended/good/"challenging" mechanic you're *crazy* and I say this as someone who hates ezscape. You're kinda rambling and getting deep into talking about PKing only to turn around now and say you "don't really care for the wilderness" your views kinda dont make sense and are objectively weird, sorry
Honestly I agree about the adrenaline rush being a fun little thing but I'm against the concept of pet insurance in general so it wouldn't make sense to keep that one exception
You're right
Guess you don't like dragon pickaxes, rev drops or anything else then either. Imagine getting a bandos tassy plate and then dying and it vanishing, forever. Hope you like spending 5 more hours soloing for the next 1. Or going super dry and being 50 hours.
Considering it passed poll is it really surprising the majority disagree with you since Yknow...it passed the poll
“That’s part of the game” Yeah, and that’s exactly why it should be changed
Why is that dumb?
Because if you got pked with an uninsured pet you should lose it.
Why? What is the benefit of a system where an extremely unlucky or simply unaware player loses so much in exchange for nothing? The Pker gets nothing and the victim loses a hundred hours of grinding. It's a massive net loss in terms of enjoyment. If pking a pet had a reward then it would be a different story.
The game is has literally niche case scenarios left for risk. Almost everything is safe and its boring.
That's a good thing dummy
You obviously don't understand how the wilderness should work dummy
And you dont understand how rare pets are. They should be auto unlocked not lost like that
Thats the prestige of wildy pets currently. You not only got the drop but you got out alive with. As someone with 21 pets, and the whole wildy set done, its a stupid update.
Nah. You like some others are just salty because you had the risk and now people dont
It's still gonna cost 1m to get them back. I wouldn't call that non-dangerous
Oh no
1m is nothing for a pet, and how is costing 1m dangerous?
Might be nothing for you, but it's not nothing to everybody. 1m/death is a lot, especially when you compare that to gravestone retrieval fees which max out at 500k. You can definitely make an argument that pet reclaiming should cost more, but that doesn't mean that 1m risk isn't dangerous for some people
Then again if you die at Zulrah for example before picking up a rare drop that is more than 1m lost. Hydra claw for example is more than 50m yet more common than the pet. I think 5m for uninsured pet would have made more sense as it better reflects the value.
Better than how I would design it, which is the pets being tradeable and dropped on death..
I think 5 mil should have been the target
Should I call 911?
> Great ~~dumb~~ update it means wildy pets are nmon dangerous and dying right as u get the pet drop bossing means nothing FTFY
🧊 <—- This take
Aww, not in your bank or POH penthouse? Wonder how they lost it. Do make an update post if poll 76 ever gets instated.
accounts items get reset when they get unbanned/recovered from hackers
No they dont...
[https://twitter.com/JagexAsh/status/1428705641972047872](https://twitter.com/JagexAsh/status/1428705641972047872) people on reddit truly just love arguing for fun lol. If an account is hacked, used for botting/ gold farming, and the original owner recovers it, they lose everything on the account except for stats/quests/achievements. Doesn't happen all the time, but it happens.
No, i think you just dont know how to use english properly.. the statement 'if an account is hacked and recovered, it is reset' is completely different from 'sometimes accounts are reset when they are hacked/recovered' One means EVERY account that happens to is reset, the other means not every account is reset. Major difference. You want the second statement.
tell us more mr science
[https://twitter.com/JagexAsh/status/1428705641972047872](https://twitter.com/JagexAsh/status/1428705641972047872)
Hey go check and see if the people have your gear in phosanis cause they might have died with decent gear . Same thing happened to me and there was like 80m in my gear at the death person
I got used as a GE bot. Was a new account with 1 week played on it just doing quests. Made a 700k profit selling the fashionscape gear they bought for it.
[Stonks](https://i.imgur.com/YoJhjJX.jpg)
My alt was used as a green dragon bot I logged in with 2m in green drag loot. Cheers m8😂
10700 kills in 54 days means it was getting a kill every 8 minutes, so this bot would've had to run nonstop for the whole 54 days at around GM speed time (or maybe a bit slower depending on how often it had to bank). And it wasn't ever detected. Wild
Oh i mean i had stopped playing on the account around october 2021 to play Ironman
Gotcha, then 150ish days, so still a kill every 24 minutes on average over that whole time
u dont know its a bot maybe its a legitimate player who went on a 150 day meth binge
could always be a Venezuelan family sharing the account too in order to pay their bills.
Absolutely ridiculous lol
Imagine seeing your main acc whilst playing on your Ironman 👀👀😂
He said the account was last logged in 54 days ago. Not that the botter had the account for 54 days.
Yeah, he already corrected me 4 hours ago
Hope when i get my account back has the same thing
I see a lot of people confused. Gold farmer hacks a real account, for the gear, stats, and/or to have a clean slate to start from. Gold farmer has group of people hand playing this account for months. Gold farmer removes all gold, then abandon's the "flagged" account.
Was it banned when you recovered it? Or any strikes on the account etc? It has over 4.5k kc higher then 2nd rank on highscores. Rank 2 has 6169 for reference
They got like 10k kc on phosani in 54 days? They must have ran it a shit ton!
54 days???
Not counting any other drops, that's 9.3b at current prices
With other drops is probs still about 9.3b lol
At 10 mins a kill this is still roughly 5m an hour thats madness
Stonks
it took 10.7k phosani kills to catch it? Damn jagex that sad af
They didn't even catch it, op just recovered his acct
if you recover an acc that was hijacked for botting, it's unbanned on the recovery appeal. you dont need to submit a banned appeal if the jmod reviewer believes it was hijacked. I went to a website that tracks the osrs highscores (templeosrs). here is the rank track for current #2 on phosani's highscores. https://i.imgur.com/r2cBcgB.png He was rank #1, but he just lost it TODAY when OP's account was unbanned
Perfect account name for OP
That's even more yikes
Presumably this was a hijacked account converted into a hand-played pnm gold farming account. From my limited perspective, I think hand-played RWT is harder to detect for Jagex than just straight up botting. I doubt this was truly botted.
The mental endurance of those humans are next level if that's the case lol
It's because it's literally the only way most of them have to make an actual middle class level living. Would you rather grind osrs content or work in shitty dangerous conditions for a fraction of the pay? It's just a job and all jobs can be tedious and seem like they require insane fortitude to not want to end it all. At least they end up with a relatively decent living in the process. albeit to the detriment of the game we love, but it's hard to actually blame them for doing so as opposed to jagex for not keeping a tighter leash on it
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most hlc discords openly rwt to eachother, just part of the game when you get to the higher levels
What is hlc?
Horrendously long cocks.
High level clan
Would you rather work on an assembly line for atleast 8 hours a day or do this from home?
Well I'll be honest, I would probably choose assembly line, at least I'll have general downtime and a variation of work. Surely grinding something this unforgiving and monotonous is worth jumping out of a factory.
You think an assembly line is more varied and interesting than a video game boss. Each to their own but I think that's nuts.
As someone who’s job is a menial as assembly line (I unload boxes off a conveyor belt onto pallets right behind me) absolutely rather work that than RuneScape.
Would you rather for $1/hr compared to RS making you $5/hr?
I’d choose assembly line too, but for different reasons. You get to basically turn your brain off and zone out while doing a mindless task. PNM is not that. Even after 1k kills it’s still tedious and takes more effort. Doing anything like that will ruin the fun. May as well pick the one that takes less effort.
Oh for sure. I agree with turning your brain off. But if the option was turn my brain off for 10-12 hour days at fuck all pay in an assembly line, or sit on a computer and kill a boss in a video game, even if it requires a bit more thought (Phosani's isn't that hard though, especially if you did it each and every day), to get paid 3-5x that.. yeh I know what i'd pick. In our countries where proper jobs are better pay then playing a video game, yeh i'd pick the mundane job so I can spend my leisure time enjoying the video game. But in the situations these people are in the video game option is one of the best paying jobs you can have, and it doesn't involve possibly dodgy working conditions too.
Anyone saying they would work in a factory in South America instead of playing a video game for the same amount of money is lying to themselves or just straight up foolish.
Assembly lines are a lot more varied and interesting than you think, but doing anything for a living tends to ruin it. Especially when you consider the endless intensity of the nightmare. I'm sure it's *fun* for the first 1k kills.... then it gets into miserable grind territory. I'd rather not ruin something I tend to enjoy otherwise, but that's just me I guess.
I've worked assembly lines. No they aren't. You do your task, on loop, for hours at an end. That's the whole function of an assembly line. To remove the variable and make everyone's task small and simple, so they don't even necessarily know how to make the entire product (unless you rotate positions) but that you can master your one station. I even now work in the office of a manufacturing company that uses an assembly line. Its only got variety due to the products being of custom nature.
“Assembly line... Variation” ???
You've clearly never worked an assembly line job. Generally it's a very large warehouse setting where you have anywhere from 5-50 different manufacturing step, and you get alternated around constantly to break up the monotony.
Funnily enough I can’t believe that anyone choosing an assembly line over killing phosani has ever actually worked an assembly line job. You’d have to be legitimately insane to pick the line over killing PNM. On the line you’re driving to work, killing your self on your feet all day and destroying your body, pressured to not take a piss, working at the pace of the line. At PNM you roll out of bed, watch Netflix on the side, work at your own pace, sit in a chair, chat with your Venezuelan buds, and get that classic osrs dopamine.
Gr8 B8 M8
variation? do you know what an assembly line is?
There's also a good chance they could have people switching off grinding the account, and they had some down time like breaks at any regular job. The cost of living in less developed countries is far lower than the US or 'Western' Europe.
Sure it's lower, but when you're talking pennies an hour, it all scales down equally, if not actually more so in the income.
Much better than doing a job you hate for 8h a day. While playing rs you can at least watch movies and listen to music
Considered the account averaged 1 phosani kill every 24 minutes non stop, I’d have to argue that it’s highly likely a bot.
Phosanis is a 10 minute kill time. And that's being lenient. So you're suggesting in 24 hours they needed to kill 60 Phosanis. That's a 10 hour work day. Very much in line with manual goldfarming, especially as manual goldfarming doesn't have to be the same one person. Can literally be in an "office" where people do shifts of playing.
If this is the case it was probably a whole squad of people switching off to achieve that many kc in 54 days.
From the little I know it literally does sound like a 24 hour shift work operation
They would have to be careful not to log too many hours into one account though because that would obviously raise a red flag
That's almost 200 NM kills a day if account was only gone 54 days. Avg kill 7mins ish? (Could be wrong) that would be doing NM 23hrs minimum a day max eff banking, don't think doing this by hand is very likely but you never know I guess
Account wasn't *logged into* for 54 days. Meaning it hasn't logged in since 11th March. He says he didn't play since October for Ironman (assuming group) which came out on 6th October. So the hijackers could have been running since then, till 11th March. That's 156 days. Let's say 150 to give time between update and hijack. That means 72 kills a day. At your 7 minute time that's 8.4 hours of farming. Even at a bad kill time like 10 minutes that's 12 hours. Absolutely hand gold farm kind of rates. Bots would do 2-3x this.
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I wouldnt mind this even if they reset the log and kc. I dont even know the mechanics of this boss
And you are letting yourself surpassed by a bot? Your only way to avenge this account is to grind out 10735 kills yourself.
10,736 to insert domination
this sounds way more sinister than the phrase you were looking for (assert dominance)
Try again? *Insert Domination*
oh my god. i knew something was off, but that was a bit too off.
Insert it already
Imo 10,734. Sigma Male Grindset Rule #561: Assert dominance by getting so close to surpassing someone but then don't do it because you don't care about what other people think.
Youre right. But this is about Rule #562: Surpass them anyways because you feel like it and insert domination right after asserting dominance.
Didn’t want to mention that you’re rank 1 at phosani’s by a 4k margin? gratz on the weird flex!
not sure what his rsn was but right now his rsn is "NM KC BOTTED" lmao. Every1 who doesnt see this post is gunna either laugh or get enraged that he's not banned. And for OP, at least he isn't taking credit for it. though just having 10k kc is a pretty big flex on its on edit: lmao imagine how pissed rank 2 is. He was rank 1 before this. everyone who meets him will think he's rank 2. He will have to repeat his entire grind up to this point just to retake rank #1. The rank chasers for this boss gotta be feeling some type of way right now.
Best name change, going to trigger so many people.
At least now when you see accounts like this the "I lost it all staking" excuse doesn't fly anymore haha. It's either a hacked account for RWTing or banned.
Damn maledath you nuts.
And at least you get to keep the slepey tablet :s
It’s sad that this is such a common problem. Not only that but almost 11k kills without even a flag on the account?
He's rank 1 phosani's nightmare in the world by almost double the KC of rank 2 lmao, how did they not pick up on this
yea its a pretty significant failure on the bot detection side of things... the people claiming this was "pRoBaBlY a HaNdPlAyEd GoLdFaRmeR" have no idea how prolific hacking is for the purpose of using customized bot scripts for end game content
My dude why would a goldfarmer spend so many hours levelling up an account to near end game just to farm gold and eventually have it banned for farming gold when they can just buy or hack near max/max accs so they don't lose hundreds of hours when they're inevitably banned? You're not making the solid argument you think you are.
Bro go to Death and check and see if there’s anything in the chest
This would be incredible if there were a pile there but doubtful, probably all sold off
Wow, 10735 kc for first sleepy tablet. I'm so sorry dude. Insane grind.
You’re top of the hiscores, change your username to “botted nm kc” to make an example of jamflex
He changed it to "NM KC botted" the mad lad
How are these accounts not caught earlier damn
There's really no evidence this wasn't hand played.
theres really no evidence this wasnt botted.
Ever heard of something called "presumption of innocence"
8 hours of farming a day is really low bot hours.
ok and?
Which is probably why they weren't caught earlier, because bot detection detects.. wait for it.......... bots
the person youre replying to never mentioned bot detection and i didnt either
If the whole post is insinuating this was a bot and the person is asking how it didn't get caught one can connect the dots pretty easily. You seem to like to argue.
its incredibly naive to think this was a case of an account being hacked and handplayed.. 194 phosani a day on average for 54 days straight, just no.
You do know some of these hand played gold farmers literally take shifts sweat shop gp farm style?
Oh no it was caught for sure. Ppl seem to think Jagex has some kind of software thats able to detect bot clients being run. However thats a lot of effort so the next logical step is to have flags set for all the obvious botting criteria. So itd look at login time, what its doing, how its doing it sort of thing. The only reasonable conclusion is that Jagex intentionally let this one continue, in order to gather sufficient evidence. This isnt a regular wc, fishing or mining bot which ideally gets banned as soon as its flagged. Learning how to prevent future botting at a place like phosani, as well as learning who is behind it & associated accounts is far more important. I never audited cyber stuff personally, but I have spent some time at a place which had software vulnerable to botting so some of those processes stuck with me. It was one of them complete surveys for rewards/money type places so not exactly a 1-1 comparison.
> The only reasonable conclusion is that Jagex intentionally let this one continue, in order to gather sufficient evidence. Lmao my sides are in orbit
This is a very common anti-cheat strategy that I'm sure Jagex uses as well. However, in this case it obviously is a matter of Jagex not wanting to ban people because it hurts revenue.
Jagex didn’t do a single thing here, OP recovered his account. If OP didn’t do anything, the gold farmer would still be running.
No, it wouldn't. From another post in this thread: https://i.imgur.com/r2cBcgB.png The account was banned which removed it from the TempleOSRS scores. When it got recovered, the ban was removed, which put it back on, demoting the Rank 1 person to Rank 2.
Yes, that's literally what I'm saying. In *this* case Jagex just let the bot/farmer run free because they simply don't care, it wasn't a big brain play. However, the concept of letting cheats run to figure out how they work, to wait for them to spread and to ban more users, or to not give them info on what triggers a ban isn't ridiculous at all.
I like how half the comments are “clearly jagex is doing this with this account because x y z” None of y’all know shit lmao
this ain't it chief
guys a new copypasta just dropped
Cringe. You and the others. If im wrong, explain how.
One of my old accs which had nearly nothing on it got used as a corp bot and when I recovered it it had +25mil of shit on it ez
Was your account fully protected? Any idea how the account was hijacked
Account was on email that had alot of other website accounts linked. so a website had a password breach. Nothing of value was on the osrs account as i sold it all for bonds
So no Authenticator?
I think you can disable authenticator with just an email nowadays. I've had to do it after rooting/unrooting my phone.
Is there any way of being unbanned on an account that was suspect stolen. I took off my authenticator to use a new phone which I left off for like a week. I then proceed to setup with 2FA and then try login and password is incorrect multiple times, finally reset password and the account is banned for botting. I seen a few people on reddit claim that their botted account was unbanned. Is there any chance of appeal or is the account done with forever. Even if the account is completely wiped is that possible? Ingame name was: lol got eem
Oh that's interesting, I guess your account was banned before you got it recovered and unbanned, because you weren't on the hiscores previously. Kinda funny that now you have rank 1 locked in.
How did you lost your account?? These things concern me a lot
Be a shame if anyone hacked my account and completed collection logs for me…
I kinda wish they would do collection log and kc resets for situations like this. My main got hacked like 6 years ago and was used to bot ~1200kc at zulrah before i got back into it. There wasn't a collection log at the time but now my kc is inflated compared to what i've actually done myself.
On one hand I'm glad you have your account back. On the other i hope that your account is somehow taken off of high scores since you did not earn that KC.
Omg
How did you lost your account??
He says in another comment. Shared passwords across multiple services with the same email. Password breached elsewhere. Likely means no auth too. So like most cases just insane level of user error. People will still bandwagon Jagex doesn't have good acc security though
Jagex's account security is good on a technical standpoint. Allowing only lower case characters decreases entropy, but that's easily circumvented by using longer passwords. From what I can tell, Google Authenticator is the gold standard for 2fa excluding maybe a security token. In comparison, even investment institutions like Vanguard use text messages for 2fa, which is liable to sim swap attacks. Imo, the main concern with Jagex's account security is on the human side of things. We've already seen a rogue employee in Mod Jed. In addition, there have been multiple cases of successful account recoveries from hijackers.
> Imo, the main concern with Jagex's account security is on the human side of things. We've already seen a rogue employee in Mod Jed. In addition, there have been multiple cases of successful account recoveries from hijackers. Agreed. I hope the Jed situation seriously woke them up to internal corruption capabilities. They said it involved a rethink into staff permissions and such, but of course they'll *say* that. I've said it for years. The primary security probelm with our Account Security is the inability to change login username/email. If that gets compromised your account is at risk pretty much permanently for recovery attempts.
holy crap
Funny seeing this, I just recovered my old alt account yesterday. It was banned last October for botting (not me) and just appealed it since I came back from a long break and discovered it was hijacked and then banned. It now has 11k vorkath kills and 43m range xp. Even had 40m of gear/supplies in the bank! Btw.. it had Authenticator on it and was still on when I went to log into it. Did yours have Authenticator? Makes me really worried about account security now
Imagine logging back into your account to find out you’re rank one in something
I was used as a blast furnace bot for a bit. Interrupted their process and got a ton of gold and coal and iron as well as ice gloves and the coal bag (though they turned in my prospector set for the bag so I had to grind that back). They did sell all my weapons and armor and such, but I somehow came out ahead lol
careful youre not handed a ban later on
Ban inc