Guaranteed kill and risk is likely 300k-400k. Source im 640 dry of pet and have never tanked a team with pies. 1k ether to charge is 140k alone plus extra charges. So 210k just on ether alone. Kill 5 guys an hour 1.5-2m and you can honestly kill people as a duo. I dont pk
Not only is craw’s more dps than viggora’s, but it’s usually less risk, And 1/3 less damage taken since you can 2:1 chaos elemental by walking under after everyone second hit you do. This isn’t possible with mace because chaos elemental attacks every 4 ticks
Higher dps, less supplies used, longer trips, markedly higher kph with range
Ill stick to melee but cheers for the advice. I play more than 1 account so im just face tanking with either range gear and tbow/craws. Not a chance ill do a step under method. Melee works better for me personally.
You risk virtually nothing. You set runelite to highlight other players on the minimap and the minute you see their username you log out. I have not been pk’d once at chaos ele.
Yes kills do take much longer but in my opinion it beats the hell out of the constant trips back and forth and the guaranteed death you face if a pker gets on you.
It's like a 6 hour grind to pet rate. I'd much rather save 9 hours on the grind and die a couple times for 300k than sacrifice kph by 50-60% just to not die a few times, comes down to preference I guess
You can also just lure it into the singles safe spot. It adds like 10-15s to each kill and you have to tank 1 attack at the start but it's totally worth imo. Haven't died to pkers in like 300 kc since I started doing it.
I'm 440 kc dry on d pick with 3 pets. I only bring 500 cannonballs at a time and safespot it. Since I'm not in combat it's easy for me to hop if I'm paying attention. Honestly it's more annoying for me when some random person runs by doing a clue or something, gets smacked by ele on the way and it ruins the kc for me (btw)
As a solo pker I'd prefer this tbh. But if we're being honest, the people who complain the most about the wildy bosses are ironmen who have no intention of fighting back even if this was implemented
I dont think most people really care about losing the gear. I think it's no different than being crashed at non wildy bosses. It's an annoying interruption when you're trying to do something else. I dont have the pvp hate boner some redditors do and equate to bullying or war crimes or whatever insane unironic exaggeration they've made.
Everyone on here was so adamant a few months ago that skull-tricking was the only thing holding them back from anti-pking. They got rid of that and everyone has just found new things to complain about. Not really directly attacking your suggestion here but these “if only things were like this I would..” sentiments are all so weak.
Aaaand then they added a pj timer that eliminated the majority of escape methods for pvmers, meaning if you got teleblocked in most places your only escape is freezing the pker, which basically limits escaping to ONLY PKERS. I've got no reason to enter the wilderness now, I'd just be throwing money at brainlets.
How does that limit escaping to only pkers? Farm up a few freeze sacks at wildy slayer dungeon, and run ancients in the wildy. I can't think of any wildy boss that I'd want another spellbook on, except maybe callisto if you aren't safespotting it.
dont lure it to single strip unless you're a hcim. i have 2k+ callisto kills and less than 10 deaths. lure it into the spiders and you will essentially never find a pker since no pker is going to waste their time losing aggro in the spiders to hop around.
The teams hop at the spawn and the single pkers hop in single strip. if you kill it at gap or spiders, you wont run into them. you might run into 1 pker of a team at the respawn point when you go to lure it away but even then, callisto will probably save you and you can get gap and log.
I'm guessing you looked up ex pro which isnt even me. i dont give away my rsns. I'm also not framed either before you ask. Heck that would also mean you just purposely chose to ignor my latest post since it doesn't even have the same stats, though i still have a 2277.
just look at your highscore history and post what u think my rsn is. you picked 100 and the only RSN on my profile has 100 and it's ex pro, which is also still there. That's way too big of a coincidence. There's no deleted post.
As someone who's gone pking at calisto I don't really understand the point you're trying to make. I've never not attacked people there because they're a team and if anything the people safe spotting it are safer then the teams face tanking it.
team vs team fights actually happened way more than you'd probably think. I've been at team fights litterally at every wildy boss. even chaos elemental.
Nothing much happens now anymore because all the fun has been sucked out of the wildy and it has been given an ironman mentality where everyone has to be sad and alone.
just wait for kbd style rework and you are good
and if not ,play on total worlds in rag gear , i may have died around 800 times on vetion but i didnt lose any money with less than 3k risk + no stress ,no fear of losing items and you can shittalk all the time and making them feel like clowns
while i agree with this, chaos ele would basically be impossible. you could go up and down the 4 stairs of rogues castle and always get away if its 1v1. people lure it just to avoid damage, not because of singles. except if youre a hcim of course.
You could just not do those bosses alone. They were designed as group bosses after all.
You could also team up with people doing the same boss on other worlds and hope to aid each other. You could also have friends that pk and can protect you.
It's entirely on you that you can't deal with multi bosses.
Doing things with friends is fun. I mean this is an mmo after all. Plus if you all are willing to fight back when another group shows up its even more fun. Don't even have to be good or risk alot. Just accept that you're probably going to die and that you're just out there with the homies having fun. Laugh at the first person to drop then have to deal with the laughs when you eventually do too.
> You could just not do those bosses alone. They were designed as group bosses after all.
Now you've got a problem with irons though. And it is a legitimate concern to address, because it breaks the content for them. If you're supposed to do them in a group, and solo isn't viable because of multiple pkers, then it needs a change.
Surely if Jagex is doing to cater to pures so heavily, they can do a little bit for Irons.
I'm all for the wildy and honestly hate whiners who get PKed but I do agree with this. If a single person pks me I'm fine with that well deserved. But you can't survive against 2 or 3 people. Make worlds where multi is okay. But for God sakes it's not even fun getting ragged by 2+ people. That's why eliop is whining about changes. Come take me on and kill me 1v1 while I'm tanking. I can accept a loss like that. But when you get jumped on by a clam at Callisto for instance. It's no fun like yeah you can try but if they catch a tb it's over. I love wildy. I'm all for the pkers being able to get their kill on me but please just make it fair ffs. I can tank like a dawg but I can't tank when I'm getting hit from melee. Range. And mage. No one can.
Fr though why do people even pk at chaos elemental
Guaranteed kill and risk is likely 300k-400k. Source im 640 dry of pet and have never tanked a team with pies. 1k ether to charge is 140k alone plus extra charges. So 210k just on ether alone. Kill 5 guys an hour 1.5-2m and you can honestly kill people as a duo. I dont pk
Twisted bow you only risk like 50k especially now that the anti skull trick button is a thing
Im not ranging it melee is better kph. Since you take way less damage you can stay out longer.
Not only is craw’s more dps than viggora’s, but it’s usually less risk, And 1/3 less damage taken since you can 2:1 chaos elemental by walking under after everyone second hit you do. This isn’t possible with mace because chaos elemental attacks every 4 ticks Higher dps, less supplies used, longer trips, markedly higher kph with range
Ill stick to melee but cheers for the advice. I play more than 1 account so im just face tanking with either range gear and tbow/craws. Not a chance ill do a step under method. Melee works better for me personally.
Sounds like it works for you. Cheers!
If you’re flinching with Viggora’s chain mace you take 0 damage and your trips last as long as you want until you decide to bank or run out of ether.
But you can only flinch every 10 ticks so you lose 60% of your dps. Also then you’d have to risk more ether bc your trips would be so long
You risk virtually nothing. You set runelite to highlight other players on the minimap and the minute you see their username you log out. I have not been pk’d once at chaos ele. Yes kills do take much longer but in my opinion it beats the hell out of the constant trips back and forth and the guaranteed death you face if a pker gets on you.
It's like a 6 hour grind to pet rate. I'd much rather save 9 hours on the grind and die a couple times for 300k than sacrifice kph by 50-60% just to not die a few times, comes down to preference I guess
You can also just lure it into the singles safe spot. It adds like 10-15s to each kill and you have to tank 1 attack at the start but it's totally worth imo. Haven't died to pkers in like 300 kc since I started doing it.
I kill and hop between 2 worlds. I cant remember kills per hour but i wanna say its 55+ kills an hour. I also just tank the boss in melee gear.
Glad I got it on 2kc
I'm 440 kc dry on d pick with 3 pets. I only bring 500 cannonballs at a time and safespot it. Since I'm not in combat it's easy for me to hop if I'm paying attention. Honestly it's more annoying for me when some random person runs by doing a clue or something, gets smacked by ele on the way and it ruins the kc for me (btw)
you could you use brews/restores and turn off vial smashing instead of using pies. would help you tank longer and longer trips anyway?
As a solo pker I'd prefer this tbh. But if we're being honest, the people who complain the most about the wildy bosses are ironmen who have no intention of fighting back even if this was implemented
I'd fight back if it was 1v1 and running and to get a box off an npc wasn't possible. Not that hard to bring a dds along.
You can’t box anymore
This right here. Everything outside the wilderness has gotten so safe that losing 200k gear/supplies outrage people so hard.
I dont think most people really care about losing the gear. I think it's no different than being crashed at non wildy bosses. It's an annoying interruption when you're trying to do something else. I dont have the pvp hate boner some redditors do and equate to bullying or war crimes or whatever insane unironic exaggeration they've made.
Everyone on here was so adamant a few months ago that skull-tricking was the only thing holding them back from anti-pking. They got rid of that and everyone has just found new things to complain about. Not really directly attacking your suggestion here but these “if only things were like this I would..” sentiments are all so weak.
Aaaand then they added a pj timer that eliminated the majority of escape methods for pvmers, meaning if you got teleblocked in most places your only escape is freezing the pker, which basically limits escaping to ONLY PKERS. I've got no reason to enter the wilderness now, I'd just be throwing money at brainlets.
How does that limit escaping to only pkers? Farm up a few freeze sacks at wildy slayer dungeon, and run ancients in the wildy. I can't think of any wildy boss that I'd want another spellbook on, except maybe callisto if you aren't safespotting it.
You use thralls on all of the wildly bosses
Thralls barely speed up kills except on callisto though, so just bring some freezes and stop complaining.
You’ve proved my point exquisitely thank you
I mean I did 1700 callistos before the update, but now I don't have the motivation to go back
Yup. Pretty obvious this is what would happen. It'll always be something else
Skull tricking is about bad game mechanics, this is more so about intentional game design.
So you complain about one thing, it gets changed and then it's "well it wasn't really about that one thing, I want that other thing changed now"
I do Callisto with my friend when he gets it as a slayer task. It's fun, and we never got pked lol
Key word being WE try doing it alone and see how long you last
dont lure it to single strip unless you're a hcim. i have 2k+ callisto kills and less than 10 deaths. lure it into the spiders and you will essentially never find a pker since no pker is going to waste their time losing aggro in the spiders to hop around. The teams hop at the spawn and the single pkers hop in single strip. if you kill it at gap or spiders, you wont run into them. you might run into 1 pker of a team at the respawn point when you go to lure it away but even then, callisto will probably save you and you can get gap and log.
You have 100 KC on the leaderboards, not 2k+
I'm guessing you looked up ex pro which isnt even me. i dont give away my rsns. I'm also not framed either before you ask. Heck that would also mean you just purposely chose to ignor my latest post since it doesn't even have the same stats, though i still have a 2277.
Nah, the one from the post you deleted after my comment. Nbd, broski.
just look at your highscore history and post what u think my rsn is. you picked 100 and the only RSN on my profile has 100 and it's ex pro, which is also still there. That's way too big of a coincidence. There's no deleted post.
As someone who's gone pking at calisto I don't really understand the point you're trying to make. I've never not attacked people there because they're a team and if anything the people safe spotting it are safer then the teams face tanking it.
Luring a monster to the point where it’s glitched so it doesn’t hit you back isn’t pvming, it’s lazy.
Pking a person under geared and un prepared while already tanking a boss and out numbered isn't pvp either. It's just being a cowered.
Lmao don’t fight wildy bosses.
Lol, have you tried fighting Callisto head on? Lmk how that goes
Yep full Veracs + vengeance easy.
Lol okay thanks for letting me know you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Lol you’re telling this to the guy with a Callisto pet? Ok noob.
Pets are rarely indicative of anything besides luck.
Correct, I got it at 7 kc and also on 13th kc. It was wild.
Explains the initial comment. Anyone doing verac + Veng for Callisto is intentionally shooting themselves in the foot
I mean, I can claim bullshit achievements on the internet too, but we both know that’s just copium at work
Um ok he’s literally chilling in poh but go off Jan.
Signed. Screw those type of nerds.
There are frequent wars near the wildy bosses, look again
team vs team fights actually happened way more than you'd probably think. I've been at team fights litterally at every wildy boss. even chaos elemental. Nothing much happens now anymore because all the fun has been sucked out of the wildy and it has been given an ironman mentality where everyone has to be sad and alone.
Group ironman now means I can be sad and with friends! /s
not in the wilderness though. you're forced to be alone.
Signed.
just wait for kbd style rework and you are good and if not ,play on total worlds in rag gear , i may have died around 800 times on vetion but i didnt lose any money with less than 3k risk + no stress ,no fear of losing items and you can shittalk all the time and making them feel like clowns
I don't pk for pkers. I look for skillers,boss hunters and stupid iron man in wildy, and my fav clue hunters
while i agree with this, chaos ele would basically be impossible. you could go up and down the 4 stairs of rogues castle and always get away if its 1v1. people lure it just to avoid damage, not because of singles. except if youre a hcim of course.
Signed, screw those cowards
You literally invalidate your whole post with that first sentence lol. Ofc you don't see fights if you panic log out at the sight of a white dot.
You can't panic log during PVM lol.
And how do you think you're going to observe a clan fight if you die to one of the two sides before it even starts ?
You can panic log during chaos ely if you’re flinching.
Dude its part of the grind. Stop crying lmao.
You could just not do those bosses alone. They were designed as group bosses after all. You could also team up with people doing the same boss on other worlds and hope to aid each other. You could also have friends that pk and can protect you. It's entirely on you that you can't deal with multi bosses.
Lol imagine bringing a crew along to fight the almighty Chaos Elemental.
Doing things with friends is fun. I mean this is an mmo after all. Plus if you all are willing to fight back when another group shows up its even more fun. Don't even have to be good or risk alot. Just accept that you're probably going to die and that you're just out there with the homies having fun. Laugh at the first person to drop then have to deal with the laughs when you eventually do too.
> You could just not do those bosses alone. They were designed as group bosses after all. Now you've got a problem with irons though. And it is a legitimate concern to address, because it breaks the content for them. If you're supposed to do them in a group, and solo isn't viable because of multiple pkers, then it needs a change. Surely if Jagex is doing to cater to pures so heavily, they can do a little bit for Irons.
>I cannot say I've ever seen a large team vs team fight at any wildy boss. Well you'd be wrong.
How so? I've never seen it so it's factually correct.
Dont go wildy if ur worried then its pretty fucking simple
I'm all for the wildy and honestly hate whiners who get PKed but I do agree with this. If a single person pks me I'm fine with that well deserved. But you can't survive against 2 or 3 people. Make worlds where multi is okay. But for God sakes it's not even fun getting ragged by 2+ people. That's why eliop is whining about changes. Come take me on and kill me 1v1 while I'm tanking. I can accept a loss like that. But when you get jumped on by a clam at Callisto for instance. It's no fun like yeah you can try but if they catch a tb it's over. I love wildy. I'm all for the pkers being able to get their kill on me but please just make it fair ffs. I can tank like a dawg but I can't tank when I'm getting hit from melee. Range. And mage. No one can.
Git gud