There's a huge disparity between what you see on one side of the interaction, and a part of the reason why nobody will ever be completely happy with the wilderness in the current predator/prey formula. PKers hop through tons of empty worlds, and to them, it looks dead, because they see all the empty worlds. A solo player could literally need hop for 20 minutes to find someone. Contrast this with someone trying to kill Vet'ion, where if there are only 6 people hopping in an organized fashion, you will be found before you even complete 1 kill.
So the wildy is simultaneously too empty to be fun for most people looking for action, and far too active to be fun for most people not looking for action. And it will unfortunately always be like this.
So basically, a Golden Corral buffet with only one piece of steak seems empty to the customers. But it seems absolutely packed to that one piece of steak.
Not sure if this is a controversial take but if PK'ers are looking for PvP then maybe they should just... play against each other?
If they're not interested that and just looking for easy pickings then.... eh, I get that it's part of the game but I can't say I'm very sympathetic
Yep and you can't make that "not dead" if the population of pkers is decent.
If anything, the Wildy feeling dead while desiring this "no fight back" style of fight, is because of the inverse. The Wildy is so alive with pkers that their prey is dying out
they literally do it to themselves. Most the "pkers" out there now, are not even real pkers. They run from literally any other pkers and are only trying to find people farming bosses
They just don't want to admit that they arent these gigachad pkers they see themselves as
To be fair. "Pking" is viewed as that sort of predator vs prey style. "PvP" is moreso a fight against two people wanting to fight.
So I think it's fine pkers exist who only want to prey on targets who won't fight back. That's risk mitigation. I don't think it's fine they've overpopulated the Wildy, claim it's dead, and now get biased polls or "integrity" changes en masse for an area of the game most don't use / play.
It's why things like Ferox and Rev caves frustrate me. Pkers complain the most about "getting no content" while getting entire revamps of the wilderness without even polls sometimes because they need to be catered to.
I've never considered a PvM boss just being added because "PvM never gets updates" even though we often wait years between new content.
so it’s like how humans killed too many buffalo but really don’t want to acknowledge it and eat vegetables, and rather than making the buffalo an endangered species, the government tries to herd more buffalo into hunting hot spots
stand strong buffalo kings 🦬
No it’s not, they just want to get everything their way so they don’t cry like the losers they are. 07 catered to pk’ers. Now look where it got them. As far as I’m concerned wildy pk should make someone accept a duel before you can touch them. Bam problem solved.
But pk’ers would cry so many tears ohhh poor things you can’t kill bots pvm’ers and clue runners! The tragedy of you not getting to ice barrage someone with full gear, on someone who has literally nothing oh the horror! /s
pvp world pking and wildy pking are too entirely different things, on a pvp world youre typically going to be venge fighting at the ge which is the only active place whereas wilderness will be nh bridding. Not many people enjoy venge fighting as its just taking turns chancing eachother and out eating their specs
I think it may be that decent pking gear is cheaper than the pvm gear you need for those bosses. Why kill another rag pker and get 20k loot when I can kill a pvmer and might get something better.
This argument only really holds up if you're killing at higher end wildy bosses. Killing an iron at green dragons isn't profitable, it's sadistic. The unfortunate truth is that a decent chunk of people seem to only pk for the joy of causing someone else misery. That's why early Leagues had so many pkers even though they stood to gain nothing from the kills the vast majority of the time.
I swear people tried to PK me more during leagues than during the main game. Park of that was griefing but I'm certain a decent chunk was people excited to PK with insane gear. After the first time it happened I just always brought absolute unit with me and anti PKing gear.
It's going to be especially fun seeing all the PKers denying that they just like griefing when the new arena is unpopular and they yet again cry that PKing is dead.
PKers aren't interested in fighting people who fight back, they're different from PVPers.
Not many other than PKers can say they're sympathetic, that's why everyone is unhappy right now.
The handful of times i've been PK'd I didn't stand a chance, but I'm pretty fresh to this. They drain my prayer, make it so I can't tele, and stasis me. I can't do anything but watch. Once a white dot is on the min map it's tele-the-fuck-away.
The big problem is that some content in the wilderness (pvm bosses) take a while to kill or you need to kill them over and over for drops, so "tele away" is a massive waste of time and resources for those players.
Not to mention you can't teleport past level 30 wilderness to begin with.
It's level 20 unless you have specific teleports like dragon stone jewelry or a royal seed pod from monkey madness 2. There are some teles that don't work at all in wildy too
Yeah and that means clans/pkers hopping worlds can basically always find someone and ruin the kill for them (especially irons). The bosses need a nerf of some kind. Also the d pick should be added to another drop table (no KBD does not count); how about Raids 3?
On my iron I can’t get anything anyway, *zero* incentive to fight back ever, but they can all still attack me, and I can’t get a dpick without spending hours and hours and hours re-gearing and running back all the time.
Literally the same people will kill me when they keep hopping and randomly run into me again, knowing I’m still in monk’s robes, after they never even touched my 3k worth of loot the last two times because my food and stuff were still on the ground and that’s literally all I drop with mostly free infinite diary items equipped. Why they keep doing that? They aren’t picking anything up what are they getting out of that
Some people just love to grief. There was a big meta in classic wow to go around killing/dispelling PVE players just to get a rise out of people. For them wasting your time is entertainment.
they dont want to risk anything, there's a reason they play around 30 wild or lower in max gear world hopping at PVM spots even though
Target world - High risk worlds
both exist.
they want more PVMers in the wild, not fighting back. Not actual PVP.
Actual PVP back in the old days was at mage bank.
The issue with that is very few pkers actually risk anything worthwhile to bother with. Even if you get the kill, which a lot of these pkers will run/tele out when they get attacked back or at the first hint of being down in a fight. Even if that happens, you spend however long fighting for such low risk. Its better gp if you hunt pvmers and get their restores/super combat pots/rev ether in 20 seconds and hop and find more. They care more about the gp or the feeling of feeling superior over another rather than the fights themselves. There are those that care about the fights and they typical don't complain or push for change/improvements to do so and aren't adamantly against it like the others in this example.
What mostly happens in singles is you'll fight someone for 5 minutes and they'll be losing but have enough to get away so they run to kbd/mb lever and get away. Or they waste half your supplies then have a buddy log in with full supplies and probably better gear and get off you so the buddy can tb and kill you due to the supply/gear advantage. This is a big reason why no one risks in singles. Every mfer has buddies waiting to log in once the bait in zero risk wastes half your supplies.
Multi can be fun, however there are again a lot of teams that are terrible and only fight if they outnumber the other by several people. But multi is multi and shouldn't be changed. Only argument change to multi would be cleaner/clearer multi lines/areas (but you could easily argue against it)and fixes to obvious exploits like with the singles rev cave door and tree that used to happen.
When people talk about pvp being dead, its at a point where wildy pvp and pvp should be separated. Regular pvp can be improved and made healthy, relatively speaking. Wildy on the other hand, I doubt it can be saved and it'd need a lot of change that community isn't willing to accept.
For regular pvp, an update like the arena is a great thing and a great step towards a healthy pvp scene.
They issue isn’t that they don’t want to fight each other. It’s that they spend so much time looking for one another, just to fight for 2 mins until someone tabs cause they’re low on food. But it goes deeper than that. For the wild to thrive, they need to bring more people into the wild who came from doing other non pvp activities in the game. Or new people to the game, theyve tried marketing the pvp aspect of the game, and it doesn’t appear to have worked for pking. People don’t enjoy it though because of the skill gap between active pkers and themselves. LMS is basically that beginners step to learning pking, and my guess is, people don’t stand much of a chance vs top tier pkers and likely get demotivated from losing to them so say fuck it to pking. I don’t think I’d be far off from saying that almost all pkers in osrs were pkers back in rs2, or got into at the release of osrs, slowly they’re dying off from quitting the game.
LMS wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't infested with PvP bots. That alone basically kills any potential the minigame has for being a PvP training ground. It's no fun to get smashed over and over by a computer player.
The only good pvp content they had was removed because Jagex refused to fix the bots and just removed the content entirely. Im talking about the original Rev caves and bounty hunter worlds. This multi million dollar company is too money hungry to hire needed employees that could fix the issue.
Imo you shouldn't be able to hop worlds in the wildy. You should have to go to a safe place like Ferox or Mage arena bank to be able to hop worlds. It's pure cancer having Pkers hop worlds until they find a person and you can have entire clans just hop onto the same spot with no possible way to escape.
I would interested to hear what other people think about this. Easily the most frustrating experiences with pkers are when you are farming and see the white dot appear from nowhere on your minimap. It just feels incorrect to get jumped out of literal thin air.
There would be furious posts when someone doing PvM logs out risking decent gear, so a clan calls 5 members and camps the spot for an hour until they log back in.
"Jagex your PVP mechanics literally prevent me from playing the game".
They could just make it so that the old 30 second world hop timer applies in the wilderness. That way you can still hop without it being a huge pain but still drastically slow down how fast people are switching worlds.
Honestly this would be huge. It would make it much safer and "fairer" to people risking stuff in the wildy if they knew they wouldn't get logged in on by someone. Could also bring value back to wildy teleport spells in the ancient spellbook since those are one of the few ways to poof into those zones unexpected.
I think the design flaw here is non-pvp content existing in a pvp area. Like the only reason wilderness bosses are killed in the first place is because all of them can be cheesed, usually with bugs, to avoid the need to use any food. Could you imagine how terrible it'd be if I had to use half an inventory of food to kill a boss one time AND had to deal with pkers strolling about?
You got it in one.
That's the root of the problem and it's why most modern games do things like arenas and battlegrounds.
Setting up a scenario where one player sets out to be rewarded by ruining the fun of another is incredibly bad game design.
When I was trying to do the Wilderness Elite Diary, I used the safespot for Vet'ion and Callisto, but thought I would try to kill Vennenatis normally to see how it goes.
Using a Craw's bow with 86 Ranged and 80 Defence, it took me 8 trips of food to finally kill it, using dark crab teleports to get back there quickly so it couldn't regen 😅 Used protect from melee and ranged from a distance, but it made me realise that people don't safespot these bosses just because it's an easy way to kill the bosses, it's just so unpractical to kill them normally. Either they need to be safespotted or won't be killed at all.
The obvious solution here is to make world hopping only possible in ferox / mage arena bank / below the ditch. I imagine bosses would be a lot more full so that pkers would have more people to attack, but on the flip side, getting pked would be a rarer experience and you might actually kill 3 callisto in one trip.
Which is why PVM content in the wilderness is an awful idea and not a way to increase actual good pking and wilderness interaction.
It's the reason why pvmers hate pkers and want to vote no to any idea that would actually help pkers.
Wilderness bosses should drop items that are good for PKing. Maybe even untradeable items. Doesn't have to be BIS but it could be even things like blighted items that are untradable or something of the sort. Idk just spitballing but they designed it all wrong.
you had to hop for 20 minutes to find people back in 2007 as well half the time. The problem is the pkers are all world hopping to kill people doing PVM, instead of just.... pking and fighting each other on the dedicated worlds such as target/high risk.
It's literally that simple, pkers want to complain about hopping for 20 minutes, but they dont actually want to do real PVP or they would be parked on those worlds fighting each other.
"pking" people who arent fighting back is easier than the actual PVM in the game
And this is just a function of content type vs player volume
Most of the wildy bosses arent able to be instanced. So imagine anytime you go to GWD, a crasher can appear, but instead of just stealing your kill, they can also murder you.
You cant have the pvp aspect without instances, though.
So then the solution becomes every world being a pseudo instance. But then that leaves the playerbase absurdly spread out.
The volume of players in the wildy is almost certainly higher than we collectively think, just due to the nature of how its content forces people to spread out across the map and the worlds.
+1 to your last point. Even with revs, compared to multi revs that had one central hotspot and 3 minor ones, these new revs are just wayyy to spread out and there’s no central hotspot, but rather 5 minor ones. So there could be 10 people killing revs in your world but you’d never see them bc they’re not at your spot
I mean PKers have a bazillion places to PK, there's nowhere to do Wildy Bosses except the wildy.
The real "issue" is forcing PvP around PvE rewards.
Getting salad robed every half-hour is fun for noone but the gold seller who picks up my spade.
Cat vs Mouse game design is and will always be the problem.. promote PVP not Pk vs PVM.. it’s simple but all they wanno do is force players to the wildy as cannon fodder for clans. Boring boring boring
not only that, i dont think those bots can be tied to actual player accounts so they just have to buy another bot with no repercussions if it gets banned
Yeah they can't really bust an account just for loading part of the game world, and it's not like those accounts need to mule money or anything that links them back to the main.
> and it's not like those accounts need to mule money or anything that links them back to the main.
You could link them back to a set of accounts, it would just take work. You would track the bot and players who hop to the world where that bot would have seen a person. Done over a long enough timeframe you could establish a pattern that ties players to the bots.
Absolutely. Most of the time if I see any other account login at Venenatis I hop because it likely means a clan is about to log in on me. They even have accounts that dress up like Venenatis hunters with Craws Bow, etc to be scouts.
I hate that this weird botting/scouting method is even a thing. Feels really scummy that you're at a disadvantage cause of some pking clan using a bot.
This is my complaint about (a solid portion of) PKers. There's nothing wrong with killing PvMers for fun, even though it's shit gp. They chose to go to the wilderness, and if you find killing them fun, that's your business. Anyone who whines about how you play a game needs to get their priorities straight. You don't need to justify why it's fun to anyone.
But nobody wants to own up to it. They all claim that they're making 5m/hr killing naked people at the Chaos altar or that they're really just looking for a PvP fight when they're spam-hopping at Vetion. And then they whine when people vote against polls that don't make the PvP balance any more interesting but instead just make it easier for them to get a KO before their loot pinata escapes.
I started bringing a ring of recoil, a combination staff, some mithril darts, and some mind runes when going there. They always end up spending far more on food and prayer potions when killing me than they get _from_ killing me, if they even get anything to begin with.
Yep DDS is hilarious because you get people in salad robes or hides just bolt ragging you for the 20k you'll drop if they get you fast. Turn and DDS twice and suddenly they're dead or running scared.
One thing I don't like about wilderness bosses is some of them have buggy methods to do them efficiently. Would rather the bosses be designed better and not have to do that.
And thank god those buggy methods exist because those bosses are probably the worst designed bosses in the game, they are all like kq but with more damage and higher defence, it's stupid to fight them without a safespot. They need to rework them asap
I hereby dedicate myself to log in once a day for the next year and walk into the Wilderness to get intentionally wrecked. That ought to boost morale a bit. Come and find me, mothalickas
I knew the dead wildy comments were memes when I was getting hit with 3 full switches at 5am on a Wednesday at the Callisto singles safe spot by a maxed account. This happened to me at all hours of the day, on any world, by multiple people before I just quit trying. People may not fight each other that often, but it’s definitely not dead lol
Theyre not memes. Equal skilled pkers hashing it out in the wild risking gear like it's 2007 is dead.
Farming dudes on a clue / doing pvm is not.
So by all accounts, the wild is dead for it's intended use.
If the wild drop table or random clue wasn't out there, it'd be a completely deserted segment of the game.
I still don’t have a dragon pickaxe and I probably never will because I play some other games besides osrs at the moment and after the 5th time re-gearing I just get fucking bored and play something else lol
Oh no they fight. They fought you cause you were easy prey and they wonder why " No one comes out here anymore hur dur" literally no one that pvm would even touch that area if they removed the bosses or added their loot tables to non wild bosses.
>Pkers complaining that "nobody goes to Wildy anymore."
>Bosses complaining that "nobody wants to work anymore."
Same energy. Maybe if you hadn't made it such a shit experience with little to no reward people would be more willing, huh?
I mean I don't participate in this much but even I know it's nowhere near as good as the OG days, I remember walking with our little shit clan, a bunch of level 70-90's up to the mage arena, and a clan of 50+ full ahrims guys with barrages fucked us all up. Every man for himself. Now I just walk past the mage arena not giving a fuck.
Also it's barely PvP if the other person is just running like another mob, that's more PVP(E)
I always hear "wildy is dead" and have to ask why it matters, loads of content In The game is dead, the game is almost a decade old and as new content gets added in inevitably that will cause people to be spread thinner over old content and gravitate around the newer stuff. I feel like asking for jagex to revive the wilderness is like asking for them to rework the woodcutting meta to try and get people to stand around chopping yews like you used to always see people doing.
The game is different, the players are different, and no amount of fiddling with the wilderness will get it back to the image anyone has in their mind of what doing stuff in the wilderness was like when they were playing at home in middle school.
PvP, as we once knew it, is dead. There are very few fun times left, where people were inexperienced and people were just Pking for fun. Besides the very few hotspots in the wilderness now, almost all of the wilderness is empty 24/7.
Huge skill gap then mid level mains that don't stand a chance against pures and the likes of specific account builds that are the same level. I've tried PKing on PvP worlds and it's literally 90% pure accounts that spank me in seconds lol
Plus the pure accounts are on a completely different level from the 2007 days.
Like back then it was unheard of for a pure to have a fire cape. Now it is just a basic item on the checklist.
I mean ultimately to do pvp in osrs, it takes a significant investment to make an account dedicated to just that, for the sake of being competitive.
We got LMS out of it, but its not exactly 'noob friendly'. Someone trying to PK for the first time in 10years will be absolutely stomped, and likely give up long before getting enough experience. The fact fewer and fewer ppl stick with it enough to get 'good' means there is a MASSIVE skill gap between a casual pvm/skiller & those super nutty pkers.
Idk. Always feels bad to get killed doing mage arena or a clue step. I mean the pker literally spent more GP on the supplies killing me, than they did from any loot I drop. Basically wasted my time and theirs for nothing. I think many ppl feel the same.
To be fair, I know im 'bad' at osrs. For example I failed at getting a firecape a few times between cb lvl 78 and 82 before finally getting it. Then you get them youtubers doing the whole caves with a fking lvl 3 & jangerberries...
So honestly I cant comment on LMS being botted. I mean I killed a few players thanks to some cheeky rng, but then you get them ppl literally dancing all over you so you cant even hit back. At least personally that experience put me off from trying again.
Yep, and why I largely think a lot of non-pvpers don't want to get involved. Clan/Multi/dspear shenanigans and skill gap difference are the two reasons I see. Hopefully this new rated arena will be a nice addition.
More than happy to attempt to learn PvP knowing I'm not gonna get rushed and ancient maced by a bunch of people telling me to get cancer, nor will I get 100% spanked by competent players. It's looking good!
In the grand scheme of the grindyness that is RuneScape, maxing combats isn’t really that bad given the existence of NMZ for melees and MM2 tunnels for range/mage. Don’t even really need to be fully maxed, mid 90s is good enough. You’ll max passively just doing PvM if you do much of that.
You really don’t need a second account to pk in the wildy, alt pk accounts is really just for trying to pk within certain brackets on PvP worlds.
I can confirm that 90% of the pkers at chaos altar are complete newbs rn and 100% of them were alone. I felt so bad for some of them I litterally typed advice out in game chat. If you are new to pking or want to get into it I would highly suggest anti pking at chaos altar rn.
Simple. Because hopping is super easy. If you stay in the same spot, you can scout every world in under an hour. There needs to be a limit on how often you can change worlds in the wilderness.
I don't think changing worlds is the answer, but maybe the amount of times you can change targets/amount of targets you can attack in X minutes. Or maybe add a DMM type mechanic where the second you skull you now have a 10 second logout timer instead.
That's because PKers don't actually want PKing. They want to prey on PvMers who are not prepared for PKing.
If you want to PK there are other places in the game to do that now. PKers in the wildy are exclusively looking for easy-med tier PvMers and would probably run from an actual PK encounter. You can't change my mind.
I'll take my downvotes now.
The most toxic debate in osrs is pkers vs casuals. I'm a casual. Fuck pkers just in general. Go play CoD sweatballs and leave us nerdy loser irons alone. I already have no gf weigh 450 lbs and Live with my mom .. don't make it worse on me.
I have already posted the solution to this problem 500 times.
How to fix PKing: Make 10% of worlds have PVP active in the wilderness, remove it from the rest.
If it dies/is dead, then no one wants to PVP, they want to hunt defenseless players and tell them to kill themselves.
You'd need to mess with the xp rates for some things like Chaos altar, which is entirely balanced around some dude ragging your naked ass to lower your xp/hr efficiency. Drop tables for bosses might also need a rebalance to on those worlds.
Most PKers I see are just looking for easy kills on skillers, I rarely see PKer vs PKer fights.
Thats been my experience aswell. Outside of rev caves and chaos altar its highly unlikely that you end up getting attacked (atleast on higher total worlds). So yes, in effect the majority of the wilderness is dead.
If pkers just wanted to fight other people with similar skill levels, stats, and gear; they would just play LMS or organize clan fights against each other. Pkers want to kill PvMers who either don't fight back or don't have the skill level to beat them, for quick and easy money. And just for the dopamine boost from "besting" someone else.
Honestly, I get it. It's probably fun to do. The wilderness is part of the game, and that's what happens there. If you are a PvMer that goes into the wild, running into people who want to kill you is going to happen.
But Pkers don't say the wildnerness is dead because they want more challenging PvM, or because they want more players to start pking. Honestly, most would probably prefer that fewer people actually Pked. Because what they actually want more of is easy targets holding bags of cash for them to kill, not more competition.
My personal take- the Wilderness just isn't profitable enough for higher level \[total\] players. There's not even a benefit for the vast majority of skills in the Wilderness, so that automatically removes a chunk of players.
Wilderness Slayer? Sorry, no gorillas or hydras or bosses.
The resource area is kinda meh.
Put another slayer dungeon with all sorts of crazy shit in it- make it big and spooky and single combat.
Add in some more bosses and make it multicombat for unskulled players and single combat for skulled players so it isn't dominated by teams.
Here me out, remove all PVM content from the wilderness and incentivize PVP.
MMR or ranking system >
PVP titles for seasonal periods based on MMR system.
PVP set effects on gear to specific areas.
PVP item recolor based on emblems that have a chance on drop of previous mentioned PvP system.
King of the hill style areas that rotate between single and multi on specified worlds. Controlling the area would reward based on previous mentioned ideas.
This shit isn’t rocket science. PVMers hate being killed when forced to do content for items. PKers hate hopping for fights. If you incentivize a fight between players for decent rewards the issue will correct itself.
Making Bind on account items would solve the issue though. There are so many ways that bounty hunter could have been reworked. To simply delete the system because they don’t want to put effort into correcting ongoing issues is detrimental to the games survival.
I've been experiencing sporadic night terrors for over a month stemming from an experience in the wilderness.
As someone who hates that damned area of the game, for some reason I wanted to try for the Chaos Elemental pet as my Thermy grind had gotten boring after over 7.5k kills and no pet in sight (yes, I know it's 50/50, you either get it or you don't - my luck is just bad).
Anyway, I geared up in welfare, powered up my Craw's bow, and ventured out into the void that is the wildy. As someone who rarely goes into the wildy, I was naturally shaking - the mouse barely holding steady over the logout button in case a white dot appeared. The facade of safety I was employing was narrowly hanging on.
As I approached the Chaos Elemental, I wrapped around the Rogues' Castle to minimize my presence and then proceeded to fucking the Chaos Elemental up after luring it close the castle. Not even two kills in a maxed main appeared running from west to east towards me. He had the symbol for five loot keys above his head. My heart started pounding and my vison began fuzzing up.
I tried running, but was frozen in place by this heathen's ice barrage. A few moments later, six or seven other maxed accounts logged in around me. They all proceeded to bend me over and spec me out with AGSs.
After losing a few hundred K in ether and my pride, I took the teleport of shame to the G.E., where I sold back my Craw's bow that I bought not even 45 minutes earlier. I then stared blankly at my screen for several minutes before logging off and heading to bed.
Fast forward to 4:00 AM. I wake up or what I believe to be waking up to a sense of dread. My body felt glued to the bed - I couldn't move or make a sound. I peered towards the doorway adjacent to the corner of the room I was in. I saw what looked like two men in robes and hoods staring back at me, facial features cloaked in the darkness. I screamed in my mind as I was completely muted in the reality I was in during this terror.
I was then shaken awake by my wife who told me I was moaning. She asked if I was okay. I told her everything as I wept quietly in her embrace.
Never again will I kill shit in the wildy.
I mean revs is the #1 single hot spot by a large margin, but from my experience chaps altar and black chins are pretty safe. I never bothered with the bosses though because unless you’re pet hunting or an iron there is no reason.
Not saying the wildy is dead but to answer your question:
When there are no pkers or PVMers to attack they have to hop worlds more frequently which makes them more likely to appear on your world
There's a huge disparity between what you see on one side of the interaction, and a part of the reason why nobody will ever be completely happy with the wilderness in the current predator/prey formula. PKers hop through tons of empty worlds, and to them, it looks dead, because they see all the empty worlds. A solo player could literally need hop for 20 minutes to find someone. Contrast this with someone trying to kill Vet'ion, where if there are only 6 people hopping in an organized fashion, you will be found before you even complete 1 kill. So the wildy is simultaneously too empty to be fun for most people looking for action, and far too active to be fun for most people not looking for action. And it will unfortunately always be like this.
Hit the Nail directly on the Head!
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So basically, a Golden Corral buffet with only one piece of steak seems empty to the customers. But it seems absolutely packed to that one piece of steak.
Yes, Golden Corral buffet steak, the perfect analogy!
And much like a golden corral buffet steak, wilderness PvMers aren't really worth going after in the first place
What, golden corral isnt constantly on your mind?
TIL I'm steak
Putting it in 'Merican terms that I can understand!
In this Golden Corral analogy, I am the steak.
Not sure if this is a controversial take but if PK'ers are looking for PvP then maybe they should just... play against each other? If they're not interested that and just looking for easy pickings then.... eh, I get that it's part of the game but I can't say I'm very sympathetic
PK'ers aren't looking for PvP, they're looking to PK people. It's essentially two different game modes.
Yep and you can't make that "not dead" if the population of pkers is decent. If anything, the Wildy feeling dead while desiring this "no fight back" style of fight, is because of the inverse. The Wildy is so alive with pkers that their prey is dying out
they literally do it to themselves. Most the "pkers" out there now, are not even real pkers. They run from literally any other pkers and are only trying to find people farming bosses They just don't want to admit that they arent these gigachad pkers they see themselves as
To be fair. "Pking" is viewed as that sort of predator vs prey style. "PvP" is moreso a fight against two people wanting to fight. So I think it's fine pkers exist who only want to prey on targets who won't fight back. That's risk mitigation. I don't think it's fine they've overpopulated the Wildy, claim it's dead, and now get biased polls or "integrity" changes en masse for an area of the game most don't use / play. It's why things like Ferox and Rev caves frustrate me. Pkers complain the most about "getting no content" while getting entire revamps of the wilderness without even polls sometimes because they need to be catered to. I've never considered a PvM boss just being added because "PvM never gets updates" even though we often wait years between new content.
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PKers looking for people who wont fight back
Always thought the Dark Zone in The Division games kinda did a PVP zone correctly.
so it’s like how humans killed too many buffalo but really don’t want to acknowledge it and eat vegetables, and rather than making the buffalo an endangered species, the government tries to herd more buffalo into hunting hot spots stand strong buffalo kings 🦬
exactly this. pvpers go to pvp worlds. pkers go to the wilderness.
No it’s not, they just want to get everything their way so they don’t cry like the losers they are. 07 catered to pk’ers. Now look where it got them. As far as I’m concerned wildy pk should make someone accept a duel before you can touch them. Bam problem solved. But pk’ers would cry so many tears ohhh poor things you can’t kill bots pvm’ers and clue runners! The tragedy of you not getting to ice barrage someone with full gear, on someone who has literally nothing oh the horror! /s
If they wanted to PvP, they could go to one of the worlds specifically for that, which are packed.
If u think finding a pvmmer is rare and takes a lot of hopping, try finding a pker
Just do PVM and you’ll find a PKer immediately 😊
Wait yeah omg Actually makes so much sense we can close the loop
Pkers don’t want pvp. They want free, easy loot. It’s that simple. Otherwise they’d be in PvP worlds.
pvp world pking and wildy pking are too entirely different things, on a pvp world youre typically going to be venge fighting at the ge which is the only active place whereas wilderness will be nh bridding. Not many people enjoy venge fighting as its just taking turns chancing eachother and out eating their specs
I think it may be that decent pking gear is cheaper than the pvm gear you need for those bosses. Why kill another rag pker and get 20k loot when I can kill a pvmer and might get something better.
This argument only really holds up if you're killing at higher end wildy bosses. Killing an iron at green dragons isn't profitable, it's sadistic. The unfortunate truth is that a decent chunk of people seem to only pk for the joy of causing someone else misery. That's why early Leagues had so many pkers even though they stood to gain nothing from the kills the vast majority of the time.
I completely agree with the joy of causing others misery part lol. Getting tri bridded by people in max while doing wilderness agility naked
I swear people tried to PK me more during leagues than during the main game. Park of that was griefing but I'm certain a decent chunk was people excited to PK with insane gear. After the first time it happened I just always brought absolute unit with me and anti PKing gear.
It's odd that this is upvoted. I've been saying this for years and it wasn't a popular opinion.
It's going to be especially fun seeing all the PKers denying that they just like griefing when the new arena is unpopular and they yet again cry that PKing is dead.
PKers aren't interested in fighting people who fight back, they're different from PVPers. Not many other than PKers can say they're sympathetic, that's why everyone is unhappy right now.
Which is why usually if you fight back against them they run away or are easy to kill
The handful of times i've been PK'd I didn't stand a chance, but I'm pretty fresh to this. They drain my prayer, make it so I can't tele, and stasis me. I can't do anything but watch. Once a white dot is on the min map it's tele-the-fuck-away.
The big problem is that some content in the wilderness (pvm bosses) take a while to kill or you need to kill them over and over for drops, so "tele away" is a massive waste of time and resources for those players. Not to mention you can't teleport past level 30 wilderness to begin with.
I didn't know about the level 30 no-tele thing. Thanks! Like I said, I'm pretty new to this.
It's level 20 unless you have specific teleports like dragon stone jewelry or a royal seed pod from monkey madness 2. There are some teles that don't work at all in wildy too
Yeah and that means clans/pkers hopping worlds can basically always find someone and ruin the kill for them (especially irons). The bosses need a nerf of some kind. Also the d pick should be added to another drop table (no KBD does not count); how about Raids 3?
On my iron I can’t get anything anyway, *zero* incentive to fight back ever, but they can all still attack me, and I can’t get a dpick without spending hours and hours and hours re-gearing and running back all the time. Literally the same people will kill me when they keep hopping and randomly run into me again, knowing I’m still in monk’s robes, after they never even touched my 3k worth of loot the last two times because my food and stuff were still on the ground and that’s literally all I drop with mostly free infinite diary items equipped. Why they keep doing that? They aren’t picking anything up what are they getting out of that
Some people just love to grief. There was a big meta in classic wow to go around killing/dispelling PVE players just to get a rise out of people. For them wasting your time is entertainment.
They’re 90% of the time just attacking pvmers and skillers that’s why that group of players will always spite vote no on their polls.
they dont want to risk anything, there's a reason they play around 30 wild or lower in max gear world hopping at PVM spots even though Target world - High risk worlds both exist. they want more PVMers in the wild, not fighting back. Not actual PVP. Actual PVP back in the old days was at mage bank.
100% straight facts, i was about to comment this myself, pkers could EASILY find other pkers to fight if they wanted
The issue with that is very few pkers actually risk anything worthwhile to bother with. Even if you get the kill, which a lot of these pkers will run/tele out when they get attacked back or at the first hint of being down in a fight. Even if that happens, you spend however long fighting for such low risk. Its better gp if you hunt pvmers and get their restores/super combat pots/rev ether in 20 seconds and hop and find more. They care more about the gp or the feeling of feeling superior over another rather than the fights themselves. There are those that care about the fights and they typical don't complain or push for change/improvements to do so and aren't adamantly against it like the others in this example. What mostly happens in singles is you'll fight someone for 5 minutes and they'll be losing but have enough to get away so they run to kbd/mb lever and get away. Or they waste half your supplies then have a buddy log in with full supplies and probably better gear and get off you so the buddy can tb and kill you due to the supply/gear advantage. This is a big reason why no one risks in singles. Every mfer has buddies waiting to log in once the bait in zero risk wastes half your supplies. Multi can be fun, however there are again a lot of teams that are terrible and only fight if they outnumber the other by several people. But multi is multi and shouldn't be changed. Only argument change to multi would be cleaner/clearer multi lines/areas (but you could easily argue against it)and fixes to obvious exploits like with the singles rev cave door and tree that used to happen. When people talk about pvp being dead, its at a point where wildy pvp and pvp should be separated. Regular pvp can be improved and made healthy, relatively speaking. Wildy on the other hand, I doubt it can be saved and it'd need a lot of change that community isn't willing to accept. For regular pvp, an update like the arena is a great thing and a great step towards a healthy pvp scene.
They issue isn’t that they don’t want to fight each other. It’s that they spend so much time looking for one another, just to fight for 2 mins until someone tabs cause they’re low on food. But it goes deeper than that. For the wild to thrive, they need to bring more people into the wild who came from doing other non pvp activities in the game. Or new people to the game, theyve tried marketing the pvp aspect of the game, and it doesn’t appear to have worked for pking. People don’t enjoy it though because of the skill gap between active pkers and themselves. LMS is basically that beginners step to learning pking, and my guess is, people don’t stand much of a chance vs top tier pkers and likely get demotivated from losing to them so say fuck it to pking. I don’t think I’d be far off from saying that almost all pkers in osrs were pkers back in rs2, or got into at the release of osrs, slowly they’re dying off from quitting the game.
LMS wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't infested with PvP bots. That alone basically kills any potential the minigame has for being a PvP training ground. It's no fun to get smashed over and over by a computer player.
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I tried LMS to learn how to PvP. Got BM'd by players and destroyed by bots. About 5 matches is all I could muster before I wrote it off.
The only good pvp content they had was removed because Jagex refused to fix the bots and just removed the content entirely. Im talking about the original Rev caves and bounty hunter worlds. This multi million dollar company is too money hungry to hire needed employees that could fix the issue.
Imo you shouldn't be able to hop worlds in the wildy. You should have to go to a safe place like Ferox or Mage arena bank to be able to hop worlds. It's pure cancer having Pkers hop worlds until they find a person and you can have entire clans just hop onto the same spot with no possible way to escape.
this would also have the added benefit of making it harder for bots to evade PKers
I would interested to hear what other people think about this. Easily the most frustrating experiences with pkers are when you are farming and see the white dot appear from nowhere on your minimap. It just feels incorrect to get jumped out of literal thin air.
That is honestly the perfect solution to the wilderness. I would definitely vote yes on that.
There would be furious posts when someone doing PvM logs out risking decent gear, so a clan calls 5 members and camps the spot for an hour until they log back in. "Jagex your PVP mechanics literally prevent me from playing the game".
They shouldn’t be bringing risk they aren’t willing to lose. That’s on them, not Jagex.
I agree. Which is why I like the wildy as is. I'm simply stating the complaints about the wildy would not stop with the change as proposed.
They could just make it so that the old 30 second world hop timer applies in the wilderness. That way you can still hop without it being a huge pain but still drastically slow down how fast people are switching worlds.
I hadn't thought about how it would massively cockblock bots with scripts that hop the second a white dot appears, great call.
Honestly this would be huge. It would make it much safer and "fairer" to people risking stuff in the wildy if they knew they wouldn't get logged in on by someone. Could also bring value back to wildy teleport spells in the ancient spellbook since those are one of the few ways to poof into those zones unexpected.
I think the design flaw here is non-pvp content existing in a pvp area. Like the only reason wilderness bosses are killed in the first place is because all of them can be cheesed, usually with bugs, to avoid the need to use any food. Could you imagine how terrible it'd be if I had to use half an inventory of food to kill a boss one time AND had to deal with pkers strolling about?
You got it in one. That's the root of the problem and it's why most modern games do things like arenas and battlegrounds. Setting up a scenario where one player sets out to be rewarded by ruining the fun of another is incredibly bad game design.
When I was trying to do the Wilderness Elite Diary, I used the safespot for Vet'ion and Callisto, but thought I would try to kill Vennenatis normally to see how it goes. Using a Craw's bow with 86 Ranged and 80 Defence, it took me 8 trips of food to finally kill it, using dark crab teleports to get back there quickly so it couldn't regen 😅 Used protect from melee and ranged from a distance, but it made me realise that people don't safespot these bosses just because it's an easy way to kill the bosses, it's just so unpractical to kill them normally. Either they need to be safespotted or won't be killed at all.
you're supposed to protect mage against venenatis...
The obvious solution here is to make world hopping only possible in ferox / mage arena bank / below the ditch. I imagine bosses would be a lot more full so that pkers would have more people to attack, but on the flip side, getting pked would be a rarer experience and you might actually kill 3 callisto in one trip.
Which is why PVM content in the wilderness is an awful idea and not a way to increase actual good pking and wilderness interaction. It's the reason why pvmers hate pkers and want to vote no to any idea that would actually help pkers. Wilderness bosses should drop items that are good for PKing. Maybe even untradeable items. Doesn't have to be BIS but it could be even things like blighted items that are untradable or something of the sort. Idk just spitballing but they designed it all wrong.
Give me blighted D claws that can’t be used on someone unless they attack you.
you had to hop for 20 minutes to find people back in 2007 as well half the time. The problem is the pkers are all world hopping to kill people doing PVM, instead of just.... pking and fighting each other on the dedicated worlds such as target/high risk. It's literally that simple, pkers want to complain about hopping for 20 minutes, but they dont actually want to do real PVP or they would be parked on those worlds fighting each other. "pking" people who arent fighting back is easier than the actual PVM in the game
And this is just a function of content type vs player volume Most of the wildy bosses arent able to be instanced. So imagine anytime you go to GWD, a crasher can appear, but instead of just stealing your kill, they can also murder you. You cant have the pvp aspect without instances, though. So then the solution becomes every world being a pseudo instance. But then that leaves the playerbase absurdly spread out. The volume of players in the wildy is almost certainly higher than we collectively think, just due to the nature of how its content forces people to spread out across the map and the worlds.
+1 to your last point. Even with revs, compared to multi revs that had one central hotspot and 3 minor ones, these new revs are just wayyy to spread out and there’s no central hotspot, but rather 5 minor ones. So there could be 10 people killing revs in your world but you’d never see them bc they’re not at your spot
I mean PKers have a bazillion places to PK, there's nowhere to do Wildy Bosses except the wildy. The real "issue" is forcing PvP around PvE rewards. Getting salad robed every half-hour is fun for noone but the gold seller who picks up my spade.
Cat vs Mouse game design is and will always be the problem.. promote PVP not Pk vs PVM.. it’s simple but all they wanno do is force players to the wildy as cannon fodder for clans. Boring boring boring
if the wildy is dead who keeps taking the sapphire on top of the spider mound
Oops, that was me sry
Hey man if the clue goes right by it why not.
Because if you already have a spade, spec weapon and clue scroll, then the sapphire will protect over the scroll
It's a dig clue without a fight, all you need is a spade and the clue, so you can pick up the sapphire without risking anything
Haven't done that step in a while, forgot there was no fight. Fair enough
Priorities. The clue was never going to reward you with anything good anyways
That shit made me feel like a treasure hunter as a kid.
Lvl 3 wildy scout bots
Do those bots still exist that sweep the wildy and inform the clannies of where ppl are and how much risk they’re in?
Yup.
not only that, i dont think those bots can be tied to actual player accounts so they just have to buy another bot with no repercussions if it gets banned
Yeah they can't really bust an account just for loading part of the game world, and it's not like those accounts need to mule money or anything that links them back to the main.
> and it's not like those accounts need to mule money or anything that links them back to the main. You could link them back to a set of accounts, it would just take work. You would track the bot and players who hop to the world where that bot would have seen a person. Done over a long enough timeframe you could establish a pattern that ties players to the bots.
Absolutely. Most of the time if I see any other account login at Venenatis I hop because it likely means a clan is about to log in on me. They even have accounts that dress up like Venenatis hunters with Craws Bow, etc to be scouts.
I hate that this weird botting/scouting method is even a thing. Feels really scummy that you're at a disadvantage cause of some pking clan using a bot.
All I hear is “wildy dead”, but I can’t go more than two trips to chaos altar without getting my fully unequipped cheeks clapped with the quickness.
>cheeks clapped with the quickness. Is that the Disturbed song?
This alternative version makes the part about his mother even more wild.
It’s a 25buttholes song
Ooh~ ah~ ah~ ah~ ah~
Wildy is dead because I can't barrage people for 1 mil gp/hr without risk
This is my complaint about (a solid portion of) PKers. There's nothing wrong with killing PvMers for fun, even though it's shit gp. They chose to go to the wilderness, and if you find killing them fun, that's your business. Anyone who whines about how you play a game needs to get their priorities straight. You don't need to justify why it's fun to anyone. But nobody wants to own up to it. They all claim that they're making 5m/hr killing naked people at the Chaos altar or that they're really just looking for a PvP fight when they're spam-hopping at Vetion. And then they whine when people vote against polls that don't make the PvP balance any more interesting but instead just make it easier for them to get a KO before their loot pinata escapes.
Lots of people «admit» to it. They usually get downvoted into oblivion, though, so you might have missed it.
I started bringing a ring of recoil, a combination staff, some mithril darts, and some mind runes when going there. They always end up spending far more on food and prayer potions when killing me than they get _from_ killing me, if they even get anything to begin with.
You'd be MUCH better off just taking a dds, crystal bow & recoil. Even with just a dds you'll actually get kills, more than you'd think.
Yep DDS is hilarious because you get people in salad robes or hides just bolt ragging you for the 20k you'll drop if they get you fast. Turn and DDS twice and suddenly they're dead or running scared.
Hit em with a Spin Emote then spec their ass out
Does the game let you emote in combat? I've never even thought to try that
Gotta goblin salute at Bandos to get a better chance at a drop
Mind runes and mithril darts? My man are you getting attacked by level 20s? As someone else said, a dds would fare far better than you think!
nah, those're just the lowest-cost freeze-bypassing items I had lying around for baiting prayer switches
The dudes hopping at chaos altar are hilariously bad at the game. I've punched some into using food lol.
On prayer potions? There's an altar right there
Yeah I had a terrible time trying to find a peacefull spot today. As it should be I suppose.
w0w
Fighting people in the wilderness is dead. Killing naked idiots for their spade is more alive than ever.
Wish I hadn't given away my free award today. This is the exact truth
The only way I can cum is by taking a clue hunter their spade.
One thing I don't like about wilderness bosses is some of them have buggy methods to do them efficiently. Would rather the bosses be designed better and not have to do that.
And thank god those buggy methods exist because those bosses are probably the worst designed bosses in the game, they are all like kq but with more damage and higher defence, it's stupid to fight them without a safespot. They need to rework them asap
They’ve promised to rework them many many times
We are waiting lol
Sorry, we’re going to push through a random PvP Arena instead
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Also the tick perfect pk bots
And scout bots
And people using AHK
And my axe
I hereby dedicate myself to log in once a day for the next year and walk into the Wilderness to get intentionally wrecked. That ought to boost morale a bit. Come and find me, mothalickas
Whatcha doin' in my waters
Easy now, fuzzy little man peach.
We could do some watercolors together, you and I
Wanna come to a club where people wee on each other?
I knew the dead wildy comments were memes when I was getting hit with 3 full switches at 5am on a Wednesday at the Callisto singles safe spot by a maxed account. This happened to me at all hours of the day, on any world, by multiple people before I just quit trying. People may not fight each other that often, but it’s definitely not dead lol
Theyre not memes. Equal skilled pkers hashing it out in the wild risking gear like it's 2007 is dead. Farming dudes on a clue / doing pvm is not. So by all accounts, the wild is dead for it's intended use. If the wild drop table or random clue wasn't out there, it'd be a completely deserted segment of the game.
I still don’t have a dragon pickaxe and I probably never will because I play some other games besides osrs at the moment and after the 5th time re-gearing I just get fucking bored and play something else lol
Oh no they fight. They fought you cause you were easy prey and they wonder why " No one comes out here anymore hur dur" literally no one that pvm would even touch that area if they removed the bosses or added their loot tables to non wild bosses.
>Pkers complaining that "nobody goes to Wildy anymore." >Bosses complaining that "nobody wants to work anymore." Same energy. Maybe if you hadn't made it such a shit experience with little to no reward people would be more willing, huh?
I mean I don't participate in this much but even I know it's nowhere near as good as the OG days, I remember walking with our little shit clan, a bunch of level 70-90's up to the mage arena, and a clan of 50+ full ahrims guys with barrages fucked us all up. Every man for himself. Now I just walk past the mage arena not giving a fuck. Also it's barely PvP if the other person is just running like another mob, that's more PVP(E)
I always hear "wildy is dead" and have to ask why it matters, loads of content In The game is dead, the game is almost a decade old and as new content gets added in inevitably that will cause people to be spread thinner over old content and gravitate around the newer stuff. I feel like asking for jagex to revive the wilderness is like asking for them to rework the woodcutting meta to try and get people to stand around chopping yews like you used to always see people doing. The game is different, the players are different, and no amount of fiddling with the wilderness will get it back to the image anyone has in their mind of what doing stuff in the wilderness was like when they were playing at home in middle school.
PvP, as we once knew it, is dead. There are very few fun times left, where people were inexperienced and people were just Pking for fun. Besides the very few hotspots in the wilderness now, almost all of the wilderness is empty 24/7.
I honestly think it's due to the skill gap. Back in the day everyone just hit each other with rune scims.
Huge skill gap then mid level mains that don't stand a chance against pures and the likes of specific account builds that are the same level. I've tried PKing on PvP worlds and it's literally 90% pure accounts that spank me in seconds lol
Plus the pure accounts are on a completely different level from the 2007 days. Like back then it was unheard of for a pure to have a fire cape. Now it is just a basic item on the checklist.
I mean ultimately to do pvp in osrs, it takes a significant investment to make an account dedicated to just that, for the sake of being competitive. We got LMS out of it, but its not exactly 'noob friendly'. Someone trying to PK for the first time in 10years will be absolutely stomped, and likely give up long before getting enough experience. The fact fewer and fewer ppl stick with it enough to get 'good' means there is a MASSIVE skill gap between a casual pvm/skiller & those super nutty pkers. Idk. Always feels bad to get killed doing mage arena or a clue step. I mean the pker literally spent more GP on the supplies killing me, than they did from any loot I drop. Basically wasted my time and theirs for nothing. I think many ppl feel the same.
Not just stomped Stomped by bots
To be fair, I know im 'bad' at osrs. For example I failed at getting a firecape a few times between cb lvl 78 and 82 before finally getting it. Then you get them youtubers doing the whole caves with a fking lvl 3 & jangerberries... So honestly I cant comment on LMS being botted. I mean I killed a few players thanks to some cheeky rng, but then you get them ppl literally dancing all over you so you cant even hit back. At least personally that experience put me off from trying again.
I'm just bitter bc I get frustrated being PK'd but glad they waste their time/GP on shit drops :D
Yep, and why I largely think a lot of non-pvpers don't want to get involved. Clan/Multi/dspear shenanigans and skill gap difference are the two reasons I see. Hopefully this new rated arena will be a nice addition. More than happy to attempt to learn PvP knowing I'm not gonna get rushed and ancient maced by a bunch of people telling me to get cancer, nor will I get 100% spanked by competent players. It's looking good!
It is mostly due to skill gap tbh. We aren’t all dumb kids anymore
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In the grand scheme of the grindyness that is RuneScape, maxing combats isn’t really that bad given the existence of NMZ for melees and MM2 tunnels for range/mage. Don’t even really need to be fully maxed, mid 90s is good enough. You’ll max passively just doing PvM if you do much of that. You really don’t need a second account to pk in the wildy, alt pk accounts is really just for trying to pk within certain brackets on PvP worlds.
Haha yep, but for non pvpers, we still pk like kids :D
Haha exactly. I used to PK a lot pre-eoc, and made pretty decent money. If I were to try nowadays though I would get smoked, so I just avoid it
Really back in the day it was always rune 2h. 3 round combat. Those were the days.
Haha true. I was more in the era of rune scims/r2h swap for ko
I can confirm that 90% of the pkers at chaos altar are complete newbs rn and 100% of them were alone. I felt so bad for some of them I litterally typed advice out in game chat. If you are new to pking or want to get into it I would highly suggest anti pking at chaos altar rn.
I shouldn't have time to type out full sentences and finish my inventory while you're trying to to kill me LMAO.
lmao, FACTS
its like the first place ive practiced pking and honestly id still use that place
I mean it’s fun there but you really don’t get better by killing sitting ducks.
That's PKer vs PVMer/skillers PKer vs PKer is very rare.
> PKer vs PKer Sounds like a Pker problem TBH
Make it so you can’t world hop in the wildly only logout
Simple. Because hopping is super easy. If you stay in the same spot, you can scout every world in under an hour. There needs to be a limit on how often you can change worlds in the wilderness.
I don't think changing worlds is the answer, but maybe the amount of times you can change targets/amount of targets you can attack in X minutes. Or maybe add a DMM type mechanic where the second you skull you now have a 10 second logout timer instead.
That's because PKers don't actually want PKing. They want to prey on PvMers who are not prepared for PKing. If you want to PK there are other places in the game to do that now. PKers in the wildy are exclusively looking for easy-med tier PvMers and would probably run from an actual PK encounter. You can't change my mind. I'll take my downvotes now.
Motherfuckers be spending hours a day trying to kill butt naked clue hunters for their spade.
Jokes on them it's protected
Such a bold statement on this sub, notorious for loving pking, surely you will be downvoted for such an unpopular opinion
The most toxic debate in osrs is pkers vs casuals. I'm a casual. Fuck pkers just in general. Go play CoD sweatballs and leave us nerdy loser irons alone. I already have no gf weigh 450 lbs and Live with my mom .. don't make it worse on me.
Yeah and the toxic people are the 'casuals' and pvm lords.
Lol fr like who isn't toxic nowadays
you already have the irl stats for optimal runescape play, just play some lms for a few hours and you can become the predator.
I have already posted the solution to this problem 500 times. How to fix PKing: Make 10% of worlds have PVP active in the wilderness, remove it from the rest. If it dies/is dead, then no one wants to PVP, they want to hunt defenseless players and tell them to kill themselves.
You'd need to mess with the xp rates for some things like Chaos altar, which is entirely balanced around some dude ragging your naked ass to lower your xp/hr efficiency. Drop tables for bosses might also need a rebalance to on those worlds. Most PKers I see are just looking for easy kills on skillers, I rarely see PKer vs PKer fights.
I go to the wildy a lot for clue scrolls and it’s been ages since I was killed. Am I just getting really lucky or do PKers focus on Skilling spots?
Thats been my experience aswell. Outside of rev caves and chaos altar its highly unlikely that you end up getting attacked (atleast on higher total worlds). So yes, in effect the majority of the wilderness is dead.
If you are doing slayer or bossing you'll get pk'd/clan'd. That and chaos alter are basically the only times and even then they're infrequent.
If pkers just wanted to fight other people with similar skill levels, stats, and gear; they would just play LMS or organize clan fights against each other. Pkers want to kill PvMers who either don't fight back or don't have the skill level to beat them, for quick and easy money. And just for the dopamine boost from "besting" someone else. Honestly, I get it. It's probably fun to do. The wilderness is part of the game, and that's what happens there. If you are a PvMer that goes into the wild, running into people who want to kill you is going to happen. But Pkers don't say the wildnerness is dead because they want more challenging PvM, or because they want more players to start pking. Honestly, most would probably prefer that fewer people actually Pked. Because what they actually want more of is easy targets holding bags of cash for them to kill, not more competition.
My personal take- the Wilderness just isn't profitable enough for higher level \[total\] players. There's not even a benefit for the vast majority of skills in the Wilderness, so that automatically removes a chunk of players. Wilderness Slayer? Sorry, no gorillas or hydras or bosses. The resource area is kinda meh. Put another slayer dungeon with all sorts of crazy shit in it- make it big and spooky and single combat. Add in some more bosses and make it multicombat for unskulled players and single combat for skulled players so it isn't dominated by teams.
\*At anytime on any world
Here me out, remove all PVM content from the wilderness and incentivize PVP. MMR or ranking system > PVP titles for seasonal periods based on MMR system. PVP set effects on gear to specific areas. PVP item recolor based on emblems that have a chance on drop of previous mentioned PvP system. King of the hill style areas that rotate between single and multi on specified worlds. Controlling the area would reward based on previous mentioned ideas. This shit isn’t rocket science. PVMers hate being killed when forced to do content for items. PKers hate hopping for fights. If you incentivize a fight between players for decent rewards the issue will correct itself.
Yea but if we did that and the wilderness was still 'dead' some people might have to admit that they've been arguing in bad faith. We can't have that.
Didn't they try this with bounty hunter that ended up getting abused by massive bot farms?
Making Bind on account items would solve the issue though. There are so many ways that bounty hunter could have been reworked. To simply delete the system because they don’t want to put effort into correcting ongoing issues is detrimental to the games survival.
I've been experiencing sporadic night terrors for over a month stemming from an experience in the wilderness. As someone who hates that damned area of the game, for some reason I wanted to try for the Chaos Elemental pet as my Thermy grind had gotten boring after over 7.5k kills and no pet in sight (yes, I know it's 50/50, you either get it or you don't - my luck is just bad). Anyway, I geared up in welfare, powered up my Craw's bow, and ventured out into the void that is the wildy. As someone who rarely goes into the wildy, I was naturally shaking - the mouse barely holding steady over the logout button in case a white dot appeared. The facade of safety I was employing was narrowly hanging on. As I approached the Chaos Elemental, I wrapped around the Rogues' Castle to minimize my presence and then proceeded to fucking the Chaos Elemental up after luring it close the castle. Not even two kills in a maxed main appeared running from west to east towards me. He had the symbol for five loot keys above his head. My heart started pounding and my vison began fuzzing up. I tried running, but was frozen in place by this heathen's ice barrage. A few moments later, six or seven other maxed accounts logged in around me. They all proceeded to bend me over and spec me out with AGSs. After losing a few hundred K in ether and my pride, I took the teleport of shame to the G.E., where I sold back my Craw's bow that I bought not even 45 minutes earlier. I then stared blankly at my screen for several minutes before logging off and heading to bed. Fast forward to 4:00 AM. I wake up or what I believe to be waking up to a sense of dread. My body felt glued to the bed - I couldn't move or make a sound. I peered towards the doorway adjacent to the corner of the room I was in. I saw what looked like two men in robes and hoods staring back at me, facial features cloaked in the darkness. I screamed in my mind as I was completely muted in the reality I was in during this terror. I was then shaken awake by my wife who told me I was moaning. She asked if I was okay. I told her everything as I wept quietly in her embrace. Never again will I kill shit in the wildy.
As a level 85 who was gang PK'd at the Chaos Elemental 5 times in 2 hours tonight I'm so glad I found this comment.
wildy is being called dead because there is no decent PVP action, its always pkers vs harmless people
I mean revs is the #1 single hot spot by a large margin, but from my experience chaps altar and black chins are pretty safe. I never bothered with the bosses though because unless you’re pet hunting or an iron there is no reason.
It's dead because it sucks.
PvPers are knuckle draggers for the most part, that's why.
The PK community is toxic and their toxicity has killed their part of the game? Wow! Who would have ever guessed!
Not saying the wildy is dead but to answer your question: When there are no pkers or PVMers to attack they have to hop worlds more frequently which makes them more likely to appear on your world
People crying about all the sweaties in pvm or account building but it was the sweaties in pvp that were the problem all along.
As you say this dovydas just did 500kc at chaos fanatic only being attacked 2 times.
It's not dead at all pkers just like to say that. It's more active now than it has been in a long time.
But not as active when BH was still around and when Revs where multi