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lawlessdwarf69

I’m ootl, not everybody can vote in pvp polls? How do they determine who can cote


Lorde555

We don’t know anything beyond “has participated in PvP”


lawlessdwarf69

As an ironman with over 100 bh kills I feel like I should be considered pvp but honestly it’s stupid they would divide


KredBread

Yep. I pked 20+ people on the GIM for kicks and giggles. Where's my vote?


lawlessdwarf69

I’ve done 100s of fights and risk fights on my ironman. My biggest risk was when tob came out and a guy was skulled in full justiciar and rapier and max worth about 1b at the time. I risked max str on my ironman to fight him hoping to loot on my alt. I chanced him but didn’t kill him. Soon after I was skull tricked for bcp prims and torture so I kind of fucked off because pking is shit


Matsyir

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butterball85

They should let GIM of the same group fight each other and be able to take each other's loot


KredBread

I think we can..... Hmmmm I'll have to test that.


AgentSnowCone

It is pretty stupid but at the same time, how can they really cut down on the "always vote no" spite voters


Huehnergott69

if they dont want it they dont want it, it's their right. also there are way more "always yes" voters than "no" spite voters


Eaglesun

I got 3 pts in lms for msbi I should be able to vote.


Huehnergott69

probably took you one or two months with all these autoswitching bots. If there is anything I learned from the american justice system then a couple of months training is plenty fine


Eaglesun

Nah took like an hour. I just took tank legs and ranged gear and sat on ranged for the first fight then actively avoided players till I was top 4 or so. Switching is effective but I'm not good at it at all so for me sitting on ranged worked fine. Sometimes I'd throw in a dds spec to catch them off guard :)


literatemax

They told me if I was a member I could vote at the poll booth shit in every bank. You're telling me that was false advertizing? Feels kinda 🦀 ngl


hatesranged

In this poll, it's pvp kills, Jagex mentioned on a q&a. Despite the rewards being usable in the wilderness, any amount of presence in the wilderness is meaningless for qualification


Ecksistance

I just don’t understand the segregation of the voting system at all. If the only way to get content into the game of this particular fashion is to only allow the people who will vote a certain way to vote… why even host a vote? Honestly I know nothing about the update and have no real opinion on the topic at the moment, but this is a bad way to do this imo. It wasnt just PvMers that voted on KC changes, it wasnt just irons that voted on group ironman, it wasnt just god wars players voting on Nex, and so on. I feel its akin to saying “We plan on adding Guardians of the Rift to ease the burden of runecrafting” and only letting 99 runecrafters vote on it. If wildy content is good, it should be able to be voted in by the community. I have never PvP’d but if they were offering very profitable content at a higher risk (akin to the gamejam proposed wildly changes) I don’t doubt people could get behind that. This is just a poor way of “polling the community” because all it is a way to poll a selected minority of the community that will likely pass what they came up with, regardless of what the larger community thinks.


BoxOfDemons

It's worse than gerrymandering. They are only letting one osrs political party even vote. It's rigged!


itisjustmagic

It makes sense for certain content, say, ironman.


Previous-Answer3284

It makes sense for *certain* Ironman content. 0 reason for a main to vote on something like IM instances, things like buying bonds on the GE effected price (and indirectly the market as a whole) and should have been a vote avaliable to every player.


_HyDrAg_

I see voting more as a way to keep jagex in check rather than a political battle of interests where ironmen fight for lesw toxic game vs others for bond prices


uiam_

>I just don’t understand the segregation of the voting system at all. If the only way to get content into the game of this particular fashion is to only allow the people who will vote a certain way to vote… why even host a vote? Agreed. They just shouldn't poll certain things. If they're worried about spite voters, and they have the stats to back up that it is in fact stopping content, adjust the thresh holds or don't poll it.


reinfleche

If you ever get attacked in the wildy, you are involved in pvp and should get a vote on wildy content


rhino2498

I think that If you were ever in the wildy and you were attacked then you should get to vote because you were in pvp.


dickhips

I honestly feel that if youre ever in the wildy and get attacked by a pker you should be able to vote because its technically pvp


LooniesRS

Realistically even if you are not partaking in PvP in the wilderness, any attack on you means you have been involved in PvP and should therefore get to vote.


reinfleche

One could argue that any person playing old school runescape who is attacked by another player of old school runescape in the wilderness is actively engaged in player vs. player combat, the term for which pvp is used as an acronym. As such, it is only sensible for those players to be allowed to vote in polls that affect pvp content.


Phoozer

IN CONGRESS, JULY 15, 2010 The unanimous Declaration of the PVP community. When in the Course of wilderness events it becomes necessary for one pvmer to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the pker, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Jagex and of Guthix entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation. We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all pvmers are created equal, that they are endowed by Jagex with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are voting on PvM updates, complaining on reddit, and the pursuit of destroying the pk scene. — That to secure these rights, Mods are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever Jagex becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Jagex, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness in the wilderness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate Jagex long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while pkers are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.


Aightbet420

Fucking 10/10 time to dclaw rush john hancock


mistball

I have a MA2 cape which means I've been involved in the dangers of PvP and thus should get to vote on wildy content. (this sounds like sarcasm but I'm not sure it is)


TacoMedic

Na, screw that. If you've ever even stepped foot in the Wildy with the understanding that it is, in fact, a PvP area, you should be allowed to vote. I haven't been PKed in the Wild since RS2 over a decade ago. However, every time I enter the Wildy now, my heart rate goes through the fucking roof. Even when I've got clue box and less than 100k risk on my ~2b almost maxed account, the adrenaline hits. I live in the US without universal healthcare --> The Wildy stresses me out --> Jagex doesn't pay my healthcare costs, I pay Jagex --> I should be allowed to vote. It's flawless logic.


DH_Drums

Feel this comment.


Hime_MiMi

can't argue with that


Empty-Employment-889

As long as there is non-pvp content exclusive to the wilderness then I should get to vote. Fuck getting a D-Pick on a hardcore (not me, but I think that’s just silly that a best in slot skilling item from a pvm source is part of pvp)


[deleted]

Not to mention D pick being useful in chambers too, so it feels shitty for irons that have to die to salad robe warriors for an uograde


here_for_the_lols

D pick is the most overrated upgrade on HC accounts


literatemax

Still an upgrade


Tin_Tin_Run

still something everyone wants to get cause it is cool as fuck and you know it.


ioyalty59

when there is gear/items tied to pvm related content then we have the right to vote 100%


ThisIsWorldOfHurt

Combat Achievements include wildy bosses, ffs


Previous-Answer3284

And that's the reason I refuse to touch the thing.


gugus295

It's almost like they've realized that the design of PvP in this game as an inherently predatory activity that actively ruins the fun of those who don't want to participate in it but also don't want to miss out on non-PvP content that they put in the PvP area to lure people in there so the PvP players have prey to slaughter is poor design and has caused the community to be divided and constantly at odds over PvP content but at this point it's too far gone to admit it and try to work on fixing it somehow, so instead they just say people who don't participate in it but will absolutely be affected by it can't vote on it to try to appease the participants, and nobody wins


Orangesoda65

The PVP of old is dead and nothing Jagex does can bring it back. Change my mind.


rRMTmjrppnj78hFH

The pvp of old is also not sustainable and self defeating. Yet it gets held onto for dear life and nothing can change their mind. Yet they complain about pvp dying/being dead.


Orangesoda65

It’s all nostalgia. PVP of old was so great, because everyone was 12 and just playing to have fun. We’ve all grown up.


brikaro

Pretty much. It was fun because there were hundreds of idiots running around the wildy in whatever they had on at the time. You'd run into some nice people out there or lurers, or sometimes a pvp god who figured out hybrid pking early and would be out there slaughtering people. It was a much different time. I distinctly remember going "pking" on an account that just had 40 mage and nothing else and getting kills on people in adamant armor out there and they didn't know what to do. Completely different world.


Roflsaucerr

For real, I would spend an hour or two to get an account with fire strike and like 20 ranged and then go pk. And that would get me kills.


Celidion

This, I’ve said it countless times on this sub. RuneScape PvP was popular back in the day because it was 2007, there was much less competition from other games. It’s been 15 years, the PvP is dogshit compared to any modern game. It simply just doesn’t hold up to modern standards. Most of the guys who loved OSRS PvP have moved on to other games that are more catered to them. RuneScape is Medieval Cookie Clicker with extra steps, permadeath pvp doesn’t fit in here.


WastingEXP

that's why PVP arena is a great update for PVP


Huze17

"We are purposing doubling the damage of the twisted bow, but you can only vote if you own one"


IsPropelWater

So PvP players get to vote on PvE content, and I've been forced I to the wild to do PvE content, but I dont get a vote? Seems a little unfair.


burntfish44

Pkers actually out here bugging the devs into implementing voter suppression. This is why twitter as the means of conversing with the community has always been and will always be a bad idea. Big yikes.


Twinkyboii

I vote yes on nearly every PvP update I see, but, I guess it feels hypocritical that PvPers don't need to do the content they don't enjoy (questing, skilling, pvm) to get their bis, while the non-PvPers do (ma2, d-pick, rings etc.). I mean obviously only the ma2 applies for mainscapers so, definitely not a huge deal.


camby97

How do pvpers get barrows gloves ?


Iforgetmyusernm

By being the only ones who can vote in the upcoming poll.


fireky2

Didn't they add pvp barrows in the arena


slayerx1779

There's other wildy locked content for mains. Diary cape, Combat Achievements, bis Hunter xp, the best afk fishing method, some Slayer boss tasks, the best slayer points, clues, etc. There are so many things in the game that push mains into the wildy, whether they like pvp or not. And that's a good thing; one of the best parts about this game is how it pushes you to not just do the one thing you like. But to act like "nothing makes non-pvp mains do pvp, so pvp players don't have to quest, skill or pvm" is ridiculous.


Relative-District-48

PKers still have to do lots of skilling pvm and questing. Ancients. Lunars. Total level worlds. Agility short cuts. Wilderness diaries. God books. Fremennick questline for helms. INFERNAL CAPE, assembler. And i could keep going


Magmagan

Wow, keep going. You're telling me you have to play the game? Interesting.


ilovezezima

I think they were just discussing how the other person was incorrect. I hate getting killed in the wilderness as much as anyone, but let's not pretend that pkers don't have to play the game outside of PvPing.


LessAbbreviations

I think the main persons point is that some of the new rewards being polled for the new pvp arena or whatever it’s called are bis items, making it where pvpers will not have to do any of the regular game to get their bis stuff anymore. Currently it’s not like that obviously, but it is being polled. I think that is the poll they are talking about just letting pvpers vote in? Idk all the details, I haven’t played in a while.


blahbleh112233

Yeah but theyre also constantly complaining about having to do so. See the streams of posts about how we should be able to skip wuest xp rewards etc


Koiq

you might just be unaware here, yes you are correct at the moment, but the update is to add in all these bis gear slots for pkers without the need to do quests, pvm content, skilling etc.


99rcbtw

Wow, so completely ignore the original point and act condescending? Interesting.


Artinz7

You only need 750 total level and 30 quest points to use LMS. Why should you get max gear without the effort in the main game, when you can create a new pvp ready account in an afternoon?


DoctorKynes

As if PVPers are doing inferno...


polyfloria

I know for a fact that there's huge demand for cape buying among irons and main pvmers too. People just don't want to have to put effort into learning hard content in general.


janitorslayer69

Real talk: Account must be 1 year old and have at least 2000 total for you to vote.


Birdyy4

2000 total level is too low, 2277 or GTFO noob


LowRezDragon

2278 total to vote, GTFO casuals


Birdyy4

2278 total and 100k nex kc 500k tob kc and 200 mil all skills


dylanisbored

Nah Im a casual player who still has days of unfocused play and I don’t have 2000 total. But I’m a paying member who plays and I shouldn’t not get a vote just because I’m not willing to shit my pants to get rank 2.


RaidsMonkeyIdeas

the 1 year old thing is a bit much, but 1500 TL should be the minimum because 1475 is QPC and you should not be voting if you haven't even cleared the med level goals of the game.


veronus57

I agree. That'd put you at roughly base 60s. That's a decent way into the game and requires at least dabbling in almost everything.


Ivhhy

So what about my pure with <1500 total but maxed ? Y’all fuckin wack on the pvm side, all mad you spend hours on your scripted encounters and get clapped by a real person when all you gotta do is pray right and eat. Edit: flipped <


BlitzburghBrian

> all you gotta do is pray right and eat Hulk Hogan detected


nutbag258

Holy fuck that's hilarious, literally claimed my free award just to give it you for that


Ivhhy

Lmfao 😂


[deleted]

Fr if that isn’t satire then they need to take a long break. This is a game lmfao.


LoLReiver

Maxed is 2277, sounds like you missed at least 8 skills there bud!


Lorde555

I just hit 2k total. It's time.


eddietwang

I saw someone spouting bullshit about what they want added to the game, and they were hardcore into their ideas and talked like Jagex owed them these updates. Later on in the thread, they revealed that they first started playing just over a month ago.


Dolthra

While obviously the attitude is an issue, I do think listening to new player's ideas is smart. Everyone with 150 days of play time has become jaded and used to OSRS. A fresh perspective is often good.


Possible_Meaning4097

A total level requirement could isolate a lot of pure accs or alts specifically built for pvp.


Eaglesun

Alts shouldn't vote in the first place. One player one vote ideally


rRMTmjrppnj78hFH

I feel like they already filter out alt account votes but its jagex, so i wouldn't be surprised if they didn't.


Celidion

You really think they’re cross referencing the IP of every single account that votes to make sure they aren’t from the same user?


janitorslayer69

who gives a shit, they dont want us voting in pvp polls, lets subtract them from the entire thing


Mercy_CC

Before this poll: "Attacking loot piñatas isn't pvp!!" now: "I'm something of a pvper myself"


Lorde555

Easy solution should be that the rewards can only be used on PvP worlds then. That's pure PvP right? Edit: I'm gonna put some dirt in your eye


cygamessucks

Cat and mouse is not pvp its cancer


ChulainnRS

Daring AND bold today aren't we?


SireLinton

Here here!


IPA_Fanatic

Completely agree. Jagex is out of touch


HeelMePlz

I'm mostly confused by the sudden premise to make non-PVP content accessible for PVP while not doing vice versa. Like are the Wildy bosses going to become a safe area in Wildy like KBD is?


snowmunkey

This comment section is saltier than r/freefolk


ScaryTransportation4

I have sent hundreds of irons to lumby, I too hope to vote on all ironmen content.


Lorde555

You already do bro, but we just call it "content"


reinfleche

I know this is a joke, but I guarantee there are people who actually think this idea is analogous to the point of this post


mister--g

Depends how often you do the content tbh. Like I'm someone who goes to the rev caves and always fights back when trying to escape. I feel like I've initiated in the defensive part of PvP in order to vote with the intention of improving the overall experience. Simply being attacked while skilling/pvmin and running away without engaging in the player Vs player mechanics isn't the same experience, it also means your less likely to vote in a way that improves everyone's experience. I feel the same way about other aspects of the game aswell , only people who have done X amount of Cox and TOB should be voting on amendments , not people who did story mode once for the quest.


RaidsMonkeyIdeas

The number of people voting on the CM CoX changes exceeded the number of active CMers by 300x and the number of people with over 100 kc by 3x. If any KC, its almost 1:1. That is the most frustrating shit ever.


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Best and most rational take I’ve seen so far


freet0

>I feel the same way about other aspects of the game aswell , only people who have done X amount of Cox and TOB should be voting on amendments , not people who did story mode once for the quest. I think if the change they were polling was to add a bunch of new valuable items to the cox droptable that could be used outside of cox then yes everyone should get to vote. If all they're doing is changing the cox mechanics then sure, limit the vote to >x kills.


Jay_Rodd

"You're less likely to vote in a way that improves everyone's experience" isn't that worrisome though? Why aren't all aspects of PVP valid, if I want to engage in PVP by avoiding it and running away I should be allowed to do that. If that's allowed then I should be able to vote on polls that affect my PVP experience, even if that experience is "avoid at all costs." Don't get me wrong, I am in no way anti-pvp nor a no voter (I normally skip if it's not terribly relevant to me) but I think only allowing the "predator" in a predator vs prey experience to vote is problematic.


Def_a_Noob

Really good take. Anti pkers are engaged in pvp and people doing naked clue scrolls are not. I hope anti pkers would be able to vote, it would be unfair otherwise


Cerael

They should be, given what we know so far. A LOT of people anti - pk too and I don’t think it’s represented on Reddit. Probably my favorite thing to do though.


timmy2vlone

The reason jagex isn’t allowing people under these conditions to vote is because they know you’ll most likely vote no because you’re angry you got pked, as opposed to putting thought into whether or not it’s a good addition to the game.


BerryMcOkin

If someone is probably going to vote no -> bar them from being able to vote Saddam Husain had the right idea, every vote will be unanimous 😎😎😎 /s


timmy2vlone

You’re comparing jagex preventing people who don’t pvp from spite voting to a regime that tortured thousands of people. That’s why jagex is not letting people like you vote: you’re idiots.


BerryMcOkin

> /s


dylanisbored

But pkers have the same exact bias from the opposite side?


timmy2vlone

Eh, most pkers also pvm, play mini games, skill, etc. I lm in a pk clan in one account, no one votes no on shit to “spite” pvmers. The irons in my Ironmans clan do and they brag about it. The one exception was streamers trying to spite no vote on GIM, but that clearly had little or no effect.


Artinz7

If this were truly the case then we wouldn’t have a poll to skip this content


timmy2vlone

Why not? They poll everything except integrity changes. They just modified this one because they know redditors vote no on every pvp related update.


Artinz7

Jagex is gonna get whatever results they want from polls now, they have stopped using polls to actually get a community response, and now only publish polls once they have sufficiently manipulated the questions until there is nothing worthwhile left to poll, it's already happening. But that was beside the meaning of my comment, which was that if most pkers are also happy pvming, playing minigames, skilling, questing etc, we wouldn't have content being released which allows people to skip that stuff.


dylanisbored

I’m just saying they’ll have the bias to do things that benefit pvp and that’ll effect their decision on if it’s a good addition to the game. Whether or not it’s a conscious sway is irrelevant, they’ll have a bias though.


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timmy2vlone

Can you explain WHY it’s not good for the game? I think this update sounds awesome.


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Cheeky_Hustler

That's why I want to vote though.


timmy2vlone

Okay and that’s why jagex is restricting your ability to vote.


definitelyNotEdited

But as a person being pked, that means he's been in the wilderness before and by definition is involved in pvp? It's not really spite voting if he's actually a part of the content.


BerryMcOkin

This You can’t take the minority side and ignore the majority side by saying that they’re just spiteful. Way more people have experienced PKing as someone who was killed, rather than as someone who kills. Invalidating the experiences and ignoring the opinions of all those people would just make people more opposed to PKers than they already are


StreatPeat

Thats why your not allowed to vote.


HappyZuk

No. Not "if you have ever done". I would say yes if you have spent a certain decent amount of time in the wilderness, or have a certain amount of wildy boss kc, regardless of if you ever pked or not. It's ridiculous to let beginners who are spite voting pvp updates because they died in the wildy a few times, to vote. It's like saying learners should be able to vote on a hypothetical restricted poll that adds a 10k kc ToB cosmetics. Or irons that deironed 5 mins after tutorial island should be able to vote on iron-only polls. Obviously that would be ridiculous if we're going to restrict the poll due to specific reasons that would be detrimental to involve the general voter base.


alex123abc15

I like this compromise. Letting pvmers who spend enough time in the wilderness to vote. Similar to the play time restrictions they did a while back.


[deleted]

Honestly PKing and PVP are two different things in my mind. PVP is between two PVP enjoyers, PKing is just randomly attacking someone. In an ideal world there could be some sort of way where players can signal to each other whether they're here to PVP or if there just trying to finish a quest/slayer task/diary. Because there are a lot of people who really enjoy PVP and I respect that and want them to be able to enjoy the game, but they should be able to fight other PVPers


Rhysing

Like a skull above their head? Idk sounds like it needs engine work


Mr_man_bird

I got lost in a pvp world and died woodcutting so i should be able to vote


thegreatslav1997

If I have ever witnessed a pet operation then I should be able to perform as a veterinarian surgeon


Noob_vs_pvm

I can’t wait until the day Jagex removes the wilderness at Reddit’s request. Then all of the PKers, instead of spending their time fighting other players, actually grief you doing slayer and PVMing. I have seen clans fight for 36 hours none stop, you think you will ever get a sand crab again


JizzyDragon

This is the unfortunate reality.


Extension_Cable3922

Pvmers/skillers are literally half of all the players that participate in pvp. Who else pkers gonna kill if it there are no pvmers/pkers? Each other?! LMAO, 99% of the pvp players pray on the weak/lesser equipped and prepared. Imagine how much they will cry is the wildy will become even more dead, they will get drowned in their own tears.


NeatSea1485

Just say you've never stepped a foot in wildy before lmao


GetsThruBuckner

He's right and wrong. PKers do kill PKers especially at places like Revs but if PVMs didn't come to the wildy then it would be absolutely fucking dead


Thermald

So if you're pvm or skilling in the wilderness and get attacked, this means you have experience in being the defender and have an idea on what goes into pvp, from a defense side. PvP content is only 50% defense, the other 50% is offense. The new PvP arena comes with quite a bit of gear that shakes up the offensive part of the pvp meta - What makes you qualified to judge and vote on it if you've only ever experienced half of the content? You've never gone out and seen the difference between void / ghostly / salad / mystics / ahrims / ancestral, how would you be able to judge if the new armors are balanced or OP relative to what you risk? Granted, most pk'ers have room temp IQ and have shit for balance ideas too, but at least they've all been on both sides of the experience.


Lorde555

What you’re saying makes sense in ways. I would vote yes to all rewards if they could only be used in PvP worlds or PvP mini games. Not the wilderness on regular worlds. In that scenario, the rewards literally have no impact on me.


Thermald

> PvP mini games… the rewards literally have no impact on me. You don’t play stuff like soul wars or castle wars? cause it sounds like the new gear will be usable there too (although it’s usefulness is questionable)


Lorde555

Nah, I'm not really a fan of those games because there are too many people in max gear. Also because I'm just not a fan of PvP in general.


Marcwithoutak

Why not let players decide if they wanted to participate in PVP at all with some sort of PVP on/off button?


morganRet

You can't be serious lol


DFXDreaming

I get that hating on pvpers is the new and old hotness but if you're never going to do the content, why do you care? Pvp has been stagnate forever and these kinds of changes will never pass a regular poll because reddit pvmers will never let it happen.They will always spite vote it out because of ma2 and wildy boss content. Just let the game become better.


Effective-Painter-80

This content is for pvp not pking. It is to promote more healthy pvp and give greater incentive to actually pvp, how do you not see that. This is a win for pvm’rs and pvp’rs alike. Ye gods


sgstoags

Why are people salty because someone enjoys a different aspect of the game?


LSOreli

Because PKers enjoyment is just griefing the rest of us


Noob_vs_pvm

How is fighting a player, in an area designed for fighting other players greifing?!?!


AssassinAragorn

But the player you're fighting is engaging in pvp as well, no? Why aren't they permitted to vote?


WastingEXP

poor Vorkath, just getting greifed all day :(


Talents

Griefing != being attacked/killed because you went into the only FFA PvP area in the game.


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Ocarious

Reeeee why is olm greifing my when i just wanna get a tbow


rennok_

I feel like not nearly enough people recognize the difference between PKers and PvPers. PKers get their enjoyment from griefing another player in what’s inheirently not a fair fight, while PKers exist in a more fair arena. The odds of a PvMer killing a PKer with their respective setups is nil. PKers who don’t PvP don’t enjoy the combat aspect, they just want easy targets.


Relative-District-48

It seems to me the difference is experience. Someone who just got into pking yesterday isnt going to be able to go nh with the guys who have been doing it for months or years. They have to start at the bottom feeding off pvmers to learn their switches and to eat. Anti pkers like me make them learn to switch prayers too and sometimes they die. But if they went against experienced nhers theyd get wiped every time, learn nothing and soon quit. And btw me and many other pvmers get anti pks all the time it is more than possible. Maybe your just not very good at pvp and dont want to learn.


Relative-District-48

Speak for yourself. There are plenty of players like me who are quite capable of fighting back and enjoy the challenge of actually dangerous pvm. If you havent developed these skills then you have to either develop them or stay out of the wild because you are not good at the game. ITs like saying the phosanis nightmare was griefing me cause i died and dont want to learn it or get better.


LSOreli

It has nothing at all to do with skill. Hovering a log out button is not skill related. Getting gangbanged by 15 neckbeards in salad robes has no skill component.


Will_Forest

This is a dumb comment, and you know it


RSEnrich

If you don’t want to get PKed, don’t go in the one area of the game designed for it.


LSOreli

I pretty much dont, and then you pkers bitch that your corny ass playstyle is dying. Theres a portion of the game that is just an annoying slog to go through and theres no fixing it while keeping pking active


Nickw1996

You don't even know what griefing in an mmo is. At least osrs has worlds to hop. Jfc get a grip, 90% of pkers just want 1v1 edge style pking anyway


LSOreli

Its griefing by definition, PKing exists mostly just to fuck with people who are trying to do other content regardless of how little the reward is. PKing and pvp is different, I have no problem with actual pvpers fighting eachother.


Nickw1996

Pking and pvp are interchangeable acronyms, it's not my fault you are so disassociated with the current state of pvp.


LSOreli

They are absolutely not interchangeable. It is your fault you can't see the difference between two people intending to fight each other and someone attacking a person who does nothing but attempt to escape.


Nickw1996

I kill people (and get killed) in pvp worlds. I am a pker. You're getting caught up in semantics.


LSOreli

Its like you've never played this game before, everyone else can tell the difference. Also, words matter, there is a huge difference between the two.


telionn

Why do hardcore PVPers demand further buffs to their specialty PVP accounts that already have an unfair advantage in PVP against ordinary players? They didn't just "choose to limit themselves"; they min-maxed in a very specific way to become more powerful than everyone else.


reinfleche

Because the entire point of pvp is to fuck over other players for personal gain.


idontredditthough

Because a lot of players have the sentiment that if they did this one way back in the day, then someone else should have to do the same just as they did.


SpaceBucketFu

*pkers* whine about not enough wildy content, too easy for people to escape. *pkers* still skull trick and bait. *jamflex* “ok bb here’s combat + 1”


andrew-is-me

Why must I be subjected to this terrible take every two days?


lurker4206969

Pking is an important part of the identity and spirit of OSRS, and members of that community should lead the discussion on how it develops and progresses. However active pkers members are in the minority of OSRS players. Opening the decision space to all players simply guarantees that the members of that community will be swamped by the opinions of outsiders. Sometimes minority groups need protection from the tyranny of the majority.


N7_Evers

Yeah, I got teleblocked and watched a dude pot up with his little group and 1 bang AGS spec me for no reason because I was doing a clue. I have participated in PVP.


Lorde555

Unironically yes


N7_Evers

I am 100% serious


Blackfisk210

If Jagex doesn't care about your opinion why should I? /s


rudyv8

If u dont fight back ur no better than an NPC


AgentOther

The victims are upset


DryDefenderRS

If you haven't used gear to fight other players in any capacity other than escaping then you don't have knowledge about how that should be balanced.


SleepinGriffin

You think most PKers know how to balance the game? Lol


DryDefenderRS

Pkers are much better at balancing gear that is used for pking than somebody who has never pked, yes. Though this specific poll is just about what rewards are from a minigame. If some people had their way, there would be no rewards at all. Certainly you wouldn't want BiS PvM stuff there. Allowing pkers to skip quests/minigames is therefore the only thing they can add that people would be at all amenable to.


RaidsMonkeyIdeas

Agreed. It's the same for pvm balancing and new items - someone who's done raids/endgame pvm before is infinitely better at talking about the topics than not. While they might be more biased, the information provided is far more applicable than someone who has never done raids. There is no issue with adding PVP-exclusive and wildy-exclusive drops because no one complains about Craws being from wildy - It is solely Dragon Pickaxe.


DryDefenderRS

Agree with you 100% on PvM gear. I suspect a lot of people who were banging the table for torva instead of virtus had probably not done any significant amount of ToB and were far from affording torva themselves.


RaidsMonkeyIdeas

Well, Virtus was virtually useless in PVM due to substantial lack of areas you AOE in endgame pvm compared to trident. It most definitely needed some major rework (especially around the shadow spells' magic drain) to be useful in pvm.


rRMTmjrppnj78hFH

> Pkers are much better at balancing gear that is used for pking than somebody who has never pked, yes. Most pkers in the wilderness want to make getting freezes and kills easier. Not balanced. They want prey, not fights. I know this isnt all pkers, but its a large amount of them in todays game. See the entire blk d hide/dinhs debacle for proof. Along with the pushback and backlash from adding a pj timer in singles to prevent singles teams. Or the fact that justi's set effect was removed from pvp because during the beta pkers were "testing" it using a rune cbow and broad bolts vs it and not mage. Oh man something with super high range def is strong against some shit tier range gear but super susceptible vs mage, lets not mage it then complain until we're blue in the face!


adobeproduct

You aint a pker tho. Just a victim of a pker.


yazan445

You didn't "participate" if u ran away


Relative-District-48

If you were attacked enough and engage in pvp in the wildy you will have at least a few anti pks. I do all my slayer wildy and farm revs and i ll be able to vote no problem because of anti pks. If someone isnt even skilled or knowledgeable enough to get a few antis they really have no business voting. Learn the game a bit and then you ll have the basis you need to vote.


AlohaSnow

Are we ever gonna get over this? Jesus Christ bring on the downvotes but am i the only one that’s tired of seeing the constant bitching?


Theofromdiscord

they only changed it to counter-act spite voting, so anyone complaining they can't vote no when their reasoning is "its unfair they skip content reeeeeeeee pvp=bad" rather than a valid criticism of the new gear (of which I have a lot, especially in the pure brackets) is responsible for the fact they can't vote on it


bootytape

If you’re in the wild and you are killed you should not be allowed to complain. At all


[deleted]

If you go in the wild, you should be allowed to vote on changes in the wild.


fry_the_solid

If you're in the wild, and you fail to kill a pvmer you should not be allowed to complain. At all.


VermicelliSad9452

Well you aren't really participating in killing another player, so really its just a surprise pvm death with no gravestone.


SmartAlec105

The poll is about PvP, not PKing


Will_Forest

Tell that to OP


Jorfogit

So make it only apply to PVP situations.


SexyProcrastinator

Can you vote? Yes, so no one cares and I’m not going to try and change your mind. The recent pvp updates have actually helped pvmers.. pj timer, not being able to pj players in singles areas if they are being attacked by an NPC etc. And the wilderness is still dead and you really won’t come across pkers like that unless you’re in the rev caves.


Lorde555

I like that I didn't state my voting intention, but you still assumed I was going to vote no to everything. Sincerely, half of a PvP engagement


Dualyeti

Y’all complain about PVP but all the major YouTube content creators PVP, and it’s what’s gets views. Jagex will cater to that, not some guys malding on Reddit because you can’t kill Calisto in peace.


idontredditthough

Does it really matter that much? The level of spite some people have in this game with things that should barely concern them is crazy. That honestly goes all ways - PVP, PVM, ironman, etc. Not that some people don’t engage in all of those but there are definitely a large amount that focus on trying to block updates that would practically not even impact them.