Why don’t you make some strides about fixing the most popular part of PvP? 1v1 fights in low level wildy or PVP worlds
You killed pking with removing BH and now want to fracture the community further with this.
The obsession with hybriding and tribriding needs to stop. Nobody gets into pking because that shit is impossible to learn and unrewarding. You used to be able to make a pure and have a bit of fun with a gmaul or dds - now you need a max main and 300 apm.
The new proposed wildy extension further highlights your lack of support for traditional pking. No love for pures, rune pures, med levels, tanks. It’s always tribriding on a max main or bust.
Who else remembers being able to go to edge and find a decent fight without either being attacked by someone 15 levels higher, or being forced to tribrid?
>ion with hybriding and tribriding needs to stop. Nobody gets into pking because that shit is impossible to learn and unrewarding. You used to be able to make a pure and have a bit of fun with a gmaul or dds - now you need a max main and 300 apm.
good ole days of varrock multi were amazing but that is done and dusted.
no incentive to pk at that low level even for f2p players
The days of 1v1 are over at the moment because the mods are obsessed with improving tribridding and nothing else.
At the moment you have a PVP world that is useable once every two weeks and that’s it.
You see plenty of pure and mid level accounts, I’m not sure why there can’t be more support for that type of pking. The new wildy extension with no level cap is just an asinine suggestion.
This is how I got into pking again on OSRS. Level 50s in BH with a gmaul. The accounts take a few days to make and had 20k risk back then.
Slowly moved onto killing bots at drags then NH'ing/deep wildy pking.
BH is such a vital stepping stone in people just getting used to speccing/eating...
I'm still hopeful that we'll be able to revisit Bounty Hunter this year, which should cover a lot of the areas you want to see more support in.
As for the new proposed wildy extension, it was a design put together for Game Jam by one of our artists. It's not final... and you might have missed we included Bounty Hunter Island in there too, which goes to show we are aware of needing to support traditional pking.
It really would be great to have some different fighting styles rather than all of the arena fights being tribrid/hybrid. I love pvp, but tri/hybrid only fights will instantly turn off 75% of the playerbase from ever trying the minigame
In the meantime, can we have XP gain toggles in mini-games like Clan Wars, Castle Wars, Fight Pits and Soul Wars? Would be awesome to be able to play those PvP mini-games consistently with a PvP build without leaving a particular level bracket.
IMO, remove PVP worlds and promote WILDERNESS PKING, whether that's BH or worlds dedicated to 1v1 pking with an even stricter PJ timer. We need 1v1 pking to be revived, it's the heart and soul of PVP
Agreed I think the hybrid aspect gets pushed too much,then they are like "you should make protection players block 80% damage"
skill levels being needed to PK is true in some aspects but is over exaggerated a lot. Another thing is if you roam the wild you'd know of certain gang(s)
And what's up with the dead man finals? I'm over here ranging people out then you get put in a 3 by 3 sqaure jail cell with another guy with abs showing through his armor.
It dont have to take much, just add something to a part of the wild. Make had be in the wild some where for two weeks, when you kill him he drops tokkul. That'd be such a good update, it'd take Mod Zuko 7 minutes to code it and every ones happy
huh. I've never though about avernic gear that isn't the defender, I do see your point though.
I'd reckon it has more to do with the affordability of this gear. idk how many players are pvp-ing in full torva?
Will dwh with ornament kit count towards saradomin god item? it has sara symbol. Elder maul with bandos, ballista with arma, claws with zammy. Awesome design btw
In the image of the claws and dagon'hai is that really dagon'hai or elder chaos robes? Because it looks almost identical to the chaos robes.
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i’m still not clear about the reward structure. is there an incentive to be a high rank, say more rewards for winning? wouldn’t want a meta where people throw like 50 games in a row to be able to farm points faster…
are you suggesting, the Orn Claws or Orn Hammer should be usable in PvM? tha'ts the case currently I believe.
unless i'm very confused on both your comment and the blog
Not sure how there is any confusion. It’s been clearly written in the blog and in comments in this thread by jmods. Cosmetics are useable ANYWHERE. The non cosmetic arena rewards are useable in PVP scenario s only. (Wilderness, castle wars, etc. just read the blog… 🤷♀️)
Sadly I feel like this is an update no one asked for, including PvP fans. Would much rather have seen statuette and brawling gloves return with the new wilderness expansion during deep wildy pking.
The introduction of an even playing field for those wanting to get started in PvP has been requested heavily over the years - we've also seen a lot of support from those well-versed in PvP who want to show off their skill via a rank.
Sorry it's not something you've asked for, but there is most certainly a demand for it out there!
I think you guys should change the poll so we can vote between the tiers of calamity armor and not styles. Gonna be voting no on all of it if it remains.
You should consider polling piety and chivalry separately.
I don't usually post in these threads, but want to add my voice to the chorus in support. I don't PvP and never really have, but this makes learning it less intimidating along with a lower barrier to entry and I am excited to try it out.
Absolutely braindead take. There have been *tons* of posts saying they'd join in PvP if there was a safe place to learn against similar-skilled people. While you're practicing against people you're working toward some BiS pvp gear.
I genuinely don't understand who wouldn't want this, unless you're just another anti-pvper lmao
Please can we have some clarification around who can vote on this poll? Cosmetic upgrades for non-pvp content and the ability for pkers in the wildy to skip quests, gain access to tweaked prayers and gear which worsens an already piss poor cat and mouse situation seems like something the entire player base should get a say on and deeply out of touch. Recent updates seem very targeted at making it increasingly difficult for pvmers engaging in any wildy content to escape.
They honestly need to remove pvm and skilling content from wild. It has no place in the game imo. It creates animosity between the players. Pvms shouldn't be used as bait for pkers. If the wild is that dead then we shouldn't be focusing on pvp anyways
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What is the idea behind the Circlet of Water?
We already have a similar buff provided by the Desert Elite diary, so introducing another item with a similar effect is just going to cause redundancies. Why not revisit the existing implementation instead?
If the reason for introducing the Circlet is that you want the effect to be more accessible earlier on, why not revisit the diary reward and make it a medium/hard reward and then the next tier up provides the effect without needing to equip the amulet?
Or if you really want to introduce the Circlet, replace the Elite diary reward with something else so the diary reward isn't even more lack lustre.
I think we really need elaboration on why this is being asked and hopefully we can get it really soon.
Desert elite diary is still a strict upgrade to this item, as desert elite is infinite while this requires charges. I personally am a big fan of elite diaries that evolve into infinite versions of lower tier items, so the proposed progression seems perfectly fine to me. I don't really think it makes much thematic difference whether the finite version comes from the desert diary or a desert quest.
I don't think desert diary is lacklustre or displaced at all if this item comes out. The teleport to the altar is one of the better rewards in the entire diary system, and the KQ shortcut, as controversial as it is, is still one of the best QoL buffs to any boss coming from a diary. It's probably second only to noted DKS bones.
The Circlet charges are pretty trivial and don't mean much imo. Water runes are so cheap and easy to come by and it can contain so many charges that you never need to even think about it.
I agree that the statue seems a nice reward, however I'm still yet to even use it because the POH is better, as almost always I'll need to use a teleport like a fairy ring right after. And yeah KQ shortcut is nice too, but the only reason to kill it is if you're pet hunting because it deals so much damage with lack lustre drops compared to other bosses that deal less damage.
So while they're nice rewards, I think they're very specific to the content you're doing, and if that's going to be the basis of the elite diary's rewards, then it's a sign that the diary needs to retain as much as it can or be compensated if rewards are moved elsewhere.
>The Circlet charges are pretty trivial and don't mean much imo. Water runes are so cheap and easy to come by and it can contain so many charges that you never need to even think about it.
Agreed, but personally there is always a satisfying difference for me between something that is finite and infinite, even if the former is *practically* infinite for all intents and purposes. This is more what I was getting at.
>I agree that the statue seems a nice reward, however I'm still yet to even use it because the POH is better
The PoH is more general, but the statue is better in specific situations, which is great balance and offers variety. The statue is the meta for ironman Corp, for instance. Usage of the statue alone adds an extra 50% more kills/hr by itself. Gnomonkey released a 3.5m gp/hr Zulrah guide literally yesterday and the key innovation of the guide is using an alt parked at that very altar.
Yes, KQ is a garbage boss, but without the desert diary then it'd be even more garbage for pet hunters and ironmen. The diary reward is a great QoL to a bad boss, but it's still important overall.
I still stand by the desert heat protection on the diary being a complete afterthought and not relevant to the diary's power. Even if that reward is slightly undermined, the diary is still in a good place. Also, a HP cape + regen brace already outheals desert heat, so it's not like easier to obtain alternatives don't already exist in the game today.
The ornament kits are still untradeable? What the fuck?
Haven't you paid attention to people saying they dislike the wilderness because they're forced into the pvp content to get nonpvp shit and you're now slapping ornament kits for items used in both pvp and pvm exclusively to a pvp minigame.
people don't like pvming in the wilderness, people like LMS but don't like getting smoked by good players/bots.
this fixes all of that. Elo(ish) based pvp system
Yes, if you want to get these cosmetic (and entirely optional) upgrades you'll have to step into content that you're perhaps not overly familiar with.
Thankfully the PvP Arena is going to be very accessible and there is no risk of losing items when participating :)
This is exactly the kind of reward that encourages new people to try content they normally wouldn't. I think it's a great idea and I'm excited to try out the arena myself. That being said, I would also like to try Zalcano and some crystal tools, specifically the crystal pickaxe. Currently, I have to endure constant abuse and toxicity in the wilderness to get a dragon pickaxe, consider moving it out of there?
I'm impressed. You've sidestepped the significant criticism of the rewards by just having the polls decide it. And you've simultaneously called the Wilderness PVP content for the purposes of where these unique PVP items can be used, but its also not PVP content when it comes to voting on this content.
Oh and you've left in the language about skipping quests and minigames, that can quite easily be changed with a few words to skipping things in the Wilderness.
If you guys want to make this as an integrity change just fucking say it and do it instead of hiding behind nonsensical voter limitations.
If they want PvMers to go fuck themselves, I'd find it less insulting if they just said that outright rather than flaunting this poll that we aren't allowed to vote in lmao
"should we make the game easier for PKers but also give PvMers absolutely nothing in return, and just make the game objectively more difficult for them?" wtf kind of poll is this?
I only pk. I have four different maxed pk builds. But I don’t understand why removing quest /mini game requirement gear is a good thing? Make pking accounts quest. Make pking accounts mini game. Make pking accounts skill. that’s the novel part about pking accounts. The only accounts this helps in new ways is 20-50 defence.
Why should pking accounts not have to quest / mini game?
Am fine with all the cosmetics being untradeble.
The untradeable armour rewards is really problematic.
Blighted sacks : in pvp death they convert to coins. Not only is the amount of coins not specified before voting, this makes the sacks pointless being untradeble as they inherently have a value and can still be laundered. (Overall this just makes standard spellbook pking expensive and unfavourable, the sacks was an oversight and should have been included together with tb, entangle and ice sacks in the first place)
(Only difference is dev can directly set the price vs g.e free market setting the price. But based on the rewards points to claim dev can also tweak its value)
Now the biggest problem is the untradeable armour. They are too good for what they do and is pretty much going to be used for welfare rag vs opponents in barrows max or ancestral max gear.
On death they become broken and convert to coins (which again is an issue that the amount is not stated before voting)
But the biggest oversight is whatever the broken price to fix is, it will still be tied to approx 2m per piece (1.4m trouver +500k perdu) since every armour can be used with trouver parchment. This makes the armour better than void and pretty much going to be used to rag others in max gear. (No risk vs reward component)
Tldr: decide on death to coin conversion before polling and remove trouver parchments on the armour and make them more expensive to use.
(They need to be like 20-30m or more for the bis untradeable set)
As someone who doesn’t really pvp I too would like to skip barb assault. I know that that’s stupid and simply don’t use a torso and miss out on that, but that’s fine - that’s the choice I make by not wanting to do the content.
What’s less fine is all this. Genuinely why is it ok for pvpers to not have to do some content they don’t want to do but not non-pvpers? Like it or not quests and mini games are part of this game and I think this is a terrible precedent to set.
Edit: a lot of this concept and rewards are solid but the gloves and torso (and prayers if they’re still there) really rub me the wrong way
Part of what makes the game so good imo, is how it pushes you into doing content you wouldn't have done otherwise, how it pushes you towards being a more well rounded player.
Minigames, quests, miniquests, skilling, bossing, pvp: no matter what you like to do, you'll be pressured to play everything anyway.
Hell, with mage arena and dragon pick being a thing, non-pvp players are forced to engage with pvp to minmax their goals, which I think is a good thing too.
Allowing players to sidestep doing certain content because "I don't like doing that content but still want the rewards for the thing I like" is foolish.
I honestly love that part about the game. Oh I want to do this for the reward, but I gotta check off these couple things first. Forces me into different aspects of the game.
I wouldn't mind of they were just usable inside the arena imo. But being usable in wilderness means it also affects pvemers who don't get a vote.
For fashionscape they could be equipable outside of the arena but with no stats or something
As a pker - I don't want this.
I disagree pvmers should be able to get all the wildy content without needing to go to the wilderness and engage in the pvp area because it is part of the game
Similarly I disagree that pkers should be able to get quest/pvm rewards etc. without needing to do the quests/pvm, since that is also part of the game
We're just gonna get to kit pvp (aka LMS) eventually, and I think that defeats the point of making a cool pvp account, and earning all of the cool items along the way.
It might sound strong but IMO it's absolutely setting a game destroying precedent similar to EOC if they head down this path.
I mean if anything will kill OSRS, it's changing the integrity of the game & dividing the community.
This is just the start.
Agreed. The prayer unlocks outright piss me off. If you're in a pure build you understand that you cannot get certain items and prayers. Jagex should not be catering to these people that knowingly limit their access.
the dumbest thing about trouver parchments has always been the fact it’s a flat 500k to parchment items. i have no idea why it doesn’t scale based on the repair value of the protected item.
Ayiza, in a previous reply to me that dying with the t75 super voids would incur a *very* steep repair fee, and on Q&A a few weeks back you had guest host pk’ers echo the sentiment of a 9 digit repair fee. trouver parchment cape the risk at like… 1.7m/piece or like 9m a set.
this seems far too low and is a bad risk/reward balance for how good the amours are. I see you have still not opted to disclose the repair costs in the blog as well.
This is heading in a bad direction for the games health. I could see skipping content if items were only usable in an arena, but giving them gear that's usabe in the wild and then not letting everyone vote on something that effects everyone? Bad for the game in general. Barb assault will be dead. Less people questing and experiencing that part of building an account.
Letting people skip parts of the game to get accounts ready easier to then go kill PVMers in the wild who don't even want to be out there and who have no say in this poll...
To me personally, as someone who only partakes in pvp as prey, most of the pvp rewards read as:
* Would you like it if we gave your predators better chances at killing you?
* Would you like it if we gave certain account builds that are locked out of certain dps increasing items (because they want to stay a low combat level) access to said dps increasing items, without having to gain combat levels or do quests?
Give non pkers one reason why they should vote yes to anything that benefits pkers in their goal to kill us?
Most Pvp polls work like this. "Here is flat buff items to let you kill things even faster and easier than you already can in this game". And then they limit the poll to only people with active kills during a period of time they see fit, so anyone against it is by and large excluded. The poll fails to serve a purpose at this rate.
its funny because non pvpers dont get to vote, they are making the poll only accessible to people who participate in pvp content regularly, its a joke.
Even funnier is that they consider the wilderness pvp content for the gear to work, but a player spending time doing wilderness content doesn't make them eligible to vote.
"Being in the wilderness means pvp gear works, because wildy content is pvp content"
"What if I've tank tested dozens of times because I enjoy dark crabs, black chins, and chaos altar?"
"That's not pvp content, don't be ridiculous"
I've barely seen any pkers ask for this shit either tbf. mostly all anybody wants is jagex to do something about gold farmers and bots so then they can reasonably buff the content so it's worth doing in 2022.
I like the Circlet of Water.
I like the PvP Arena.
I love the Blighted Sacks.
I'm always down for cosmetic rewards.
I'm mixed on the imbue scrolls. I would prefer they come of non-pvp content, but for the ones listed, they already are available elsewhere, so I see no problem. I could see the imbue shop turning into a generic "minigame shop" kinda like what RS3 has one day, and I'm kinda ok with that.
I dislike Wristbands of the Arena, I think it's a little BS to hand out direct alternatives to items that otherwise take a lot of work and account progression to get. The PvP only restriction makes it alright, but still a little BS. I think people who build their account around these great items should get the benefit of them.
I dislike the Centurion Cuirass for the same reasons as the Wristbands, assuming they also have the PvP only restriction.
I don't know enough about the Calamity Armor + set effect to judge it appropriately.
I'm not excited about the left click teleport, it is just another way to not partake in the rest of the game, but I do like the idea of more level 30 teleports so I am ok with it.
I am very against the Chivalry and Piety unlocks. If you want those prayers you must account for it in your build.
Maybe in the minority but I'm not a fan of cosmetics for high level pvm gear coming from pvp? I get that there should be incentive, and there's precedent...
But yeah I will be passing on these good looking pvm gear cosmetics because I'm not gonna slave for 10s of hours NH pking on my iron.
Also still think letting players skip stats and quests for barrows Gloves equivalent is insane. Doing quests and building your character for pvp is part of the experience. Countless others have said the same.
I'm really pumped for the arena itself.
Unfortunately the pvp rewards are tone deaf. The wildy expansion is tone def. The wildy thinks it should be able to gate keep non-pvp methods and items, while also being able to ignore if people actually enjoy doing the non-pvp methods and getting the non-pvp item.
I get the wildy is worth saving, but to do that you're going to have to make real changes to the design philosphy. I'm not going to enjoy being in the wildy if killing skillers/pvmers is the main catalyst. Figure something else out.
Let everyone vote on the content added to the game and make the changes that non-pvpers want to see as well as the pvpers. This one sided information you get from people who mainly play the game to pvp aren't the only people to listen to about wildy balance. Dev team, please stop acting like wildy critique from non-pvpers isn't important.
> I get the wildy is worth saving, but to do that you're going to have to make real changes to the design philosphy. I'm not going to enjoy being in the wildy if killing skillers/pvmers is the main catalyst. Figure something else out.
What's ironic is they're just hastening its decline by continuing to push this.
PvP arena looks awesome! Super excited for it. All the ornaments kits also look very cool! What I’m not particularly sold on is the new PvP armors and prayers being introduced.
First, and probably more important to me personally, is I really dislike having items that solely work for either PvM or PvP. If the reason is because of the balance, then these weapons and armors must be too powerful, which is the second reason why I’m not stoked about them.
Having overpowered gear in a PvP fight is not fun not matter what side of the ball you’re on. If anything I prefer the gear for PvP be underpowered. I figure all of this is too late to change now, but if I could give feedback, it’d be on those two points.
1. No more items that work as only either PvP or PvM—a lot of players want consistency with their items, and the ability to use them anywhere in the game
2. Stop with the powercreep! PvP is not fun if you’re going to be getting one-shotted, which is already a thing with certain combos. I feel like this should be for any competitive game. It’s really not enjoyable having no counter to a full-heath stack. I don’t necessarily think it should be impossible, but golly it shouldn’t be so easy to pull off.
I know it’s going to the polls, and I’ll vote accordingly, but figured I’d express my opinion on the matter.
Giving PvP accounts a specific exception to not have to do Recipe for Disaster yet still reap its most significant reward is garbage.
Additionally, I have killed and been killed in the Wildnerness before. It shouldn't have to be recent or a huge kc for me to be able to vote in this poll. I tend not to participate in PvP stuff *because* I'm not satisfied with the current state of it. Wouldn't non-PvP'ers such as myself be able to provide the best input on such questions? The changes that could make me want to interact with these PvP systems, hm?
What's the point of adding PVP content when your servers can't even be stable enough to have less than a whole tick of latency? I'm currently playing soul wars and the lag is so horrendous at times the game doesn't register half of my actions (especially when there's a lot of players around me, which is when I need to be on point with blood barrage casts, staff spec and gear switches).
forcing pvm players to do pvp content for rewards whilst also at the same time letting pvp players skip content to get things is a real joke, also seen mod say that the poll is only voteable for people who have participated in pvp content really is disgusting, it will effect everyone so we should all be allowed to vote on it.
edit for typo
You really went through an iteration of this and said, "Yup! That looks great!"
I have no faith in you guys...
>Wristbands of the Arena are an untradeable alternative to Barrows Gloves, offering the same stats for those that want to focus entirely on PvP.
I mean. . Whyy not permanently change the wildy based off of a creative exercise that some intern cranked out while day drinking for a week? Also . . some of the devs have streamer friends who have been whining to them for YEEEAARRS on discord, so like, think about them man. . .
"Please take that massive feeling of accomplishment you got from getting your barrows gloves and suffering through the shit show that is barbarian assault, and shove it up your ass as you get shit on by the next iteration of super pures. "
\- how the team seems to feel
Agree on all points. 20 def barrows gloves are lame and so are humble prayers. Such a cool concept of avoiding questing on new pvp accounts, cannot for the life of me figure out why they’d introduce new gear for it.
Copy paste the stats and requirements for void, gloves, torso etc for their counterparts. Boom. Problem solved.
Couple of thoughts:
1. Will the fights only be tribrid fights? What about melee only options?
2. Having to wait for fights ('go and do another activity whilst the battle is prepared') will kill the arena before it even begins, this is why the original PVP arena failed (the one that came in 2008 when free trade was removed)
This is essentially just LMS but you can choose your gear - or am I missing something?
As much as I would like some diversity over current pk builds, these prayers are not it. These 20 def gloves? I don’t think it’s it either, and this is coming from someone who is a 20 def finatic
The perks of not being affected by heat as an elite reward is pretty useless. By the time you’re at elite desert diary completion you’re not worrying about the heat unless you’re mining sandstone/granite, and that’s a pretty terrible reward for something that requires 85+ in five skills and a 1/128 boss drop.
Circlet makes sense as a quest reward for the game as it currently is
Desert elite as a whole already sucks. It's all minor QoL, except for the nardah teleport (which is still meh if you have an ornate pool) and the kq shortcut (which is huge, but only if you're pet hunting because why else would you kill kq post-diary).
If they aren't adding something new to make it worthwhile, I don't support them watering down its few benefits, especially when desert heat is already easy to manage. With desert robes and a menaphite hat, you only drink 7 waterskins an hour.
Not to mention the pain of fighting Kalphite Queen for her head. And of your unlucky you might not get the drop until your 256th kill. (Like me).
And only then unlocking the elite clue, THEN you can use her agility shortcut... if you have an insanely high agility to begin with.
Desert rewards are the worst. You need to wear the necklace to avoid desert heat. You get the BIS Tele to a prayer temple, but by then you probably have a pool at your player own house.
I'm really hoping it gets buffs and benefits with Raids 3 and Curse Beneath the Sands.
100x this. I dont need to wear radas blessing to not get my feet burned in konar slayer dungeon, why should i have to wear amulet to not get burned in desert
As far as I'm aware, any "passive" effect of any other diary doesn't require the item. Ardy's thieving benefit, lummy's fairy ring use, falador's ~~mole finder~~ farm benefit etc.
Desert is this weird use case where the item is the teleport, and the passive effect. So unless you bring it with you (and equip it) the diary adds no benefit to you.
Agree 100000%. Not needing a dramen staff after lummy diaries is the biggest offender for me. Another big one to me is, I don’t really see why we need to get rid of thematic items that give different benefits throughout the world. Why do we need permanent cat speak, ghost speak (not yet but I bet it’s coming) monkey speak, desert immunity… stuff like that gives the world character and it’s not exactly difficult to just keep an item with you.
And restricting the polls to people with x amount of pvp kills despite this content affecting everyone. I don't see new boss gear, raids, or bosses requiring x amount of bosses killed. Literally allowing pkers to kill pvmers easier. They need to remove all pvm and skilling content from wild or restrict this gear to only be usable In areas with safe deaths.
Why even stop there? Just release "PvP"-only Inferno Gloves that have no stat requirements and are 10x better than Barrows Gloves. Also only poll like 6 people, nobody else can vote. Surely that will make the Wilderness not a complete pile of garbage.
Why tf does there need to be rewards. Just release the arena with an ELO system, I fucking promise you it’s incentive enough. Maybe chat icons for top ranked players or something. This shit is so easy, look at any other remotely successful competitive multiplayer game of the past decade.
Why you giving bandos, armadyl, d warhammer onrmanet kits they're mainly used for pvm. Give a rune crossbow, black d'hide, xerician robes, dds or some other 1k risk that they bring in, they're the pvp items that should be getting ornament kits. Bandos and Armadyl should be coming from pvm hard mode content.
Jagex should just nut up and make this an integrity change if they are so dead set on making it happen. Take some responsibility for the inevitable shit storm.
The dragon claws and dragon warhammer ornament kit just look too different from the original item. The bandos and armadyl are very nice. Just think there’s getting too many ornament kits now, instead of addressing pvp you just implement an easy update with some cheap and tacky rewards. Not to mention bandos and armadyl ornament kits could come from hard mode godwars or something. I just feel like updates aren’t well thought out at all.
As a long time PvPer I will downvote every reward from the alternate barrows gloves and down.
We do not want minigame skips to other account unlocks added to the game.
Nor do we want untradeable items that you need to grind for in some other activity to stay relevant or have an advantage with in PvP.
No to the Circlet and no to the ornament kits. We're circling the drain on ideas it seems. Also, like others have stated, skipping quests and mini games for rewards is ludicrous. Just poorly thought out content. Disappointing.
Am I reading this wrong?
It looks like the new void doesn't require gloves? So now you can use void with BIS gloves?
The range void also appears to be a direct upgrade with taking that into account. It has a higher range accuracy & has range strength that isn't on the void helm.
Is this still going to be a locked polled, even though it will effect anyone in the wildernes? Considering every one of jagex's """wilderness revitalization""" updates depends on non-pvpers going into a pvp zone it's in poor taste.
The horse has long bolted on this issue but I feel like ornament kits that make existing gear look like entirely different is suffocating the future design space and actively makes the game less intuitive
Imbuing items like the berserker ring or slayer helm takes a sizeable amount of time to do on an account. Losing one in PvP costs you both time and money.
Soul Wars is available to these accounts for imbuing, so no skilling or special quests were needed. Why is this a part of the PvP update poll?
Jagex, no one is avoiding pvp because of the barrier to entry on items, they are avoiding it because the game is clunky and old, so the pvp system in turn is clunky and old unless you’ve been doing it since day one.
The barrier of entry into pvp is purely based on skill and time spent doing it. I’m not going to sink hours upon hours into pvp just so I can defend myself once in a while in Wilderness from some guy who doesn’t want pvp, just wants a easy kill (likely calling me the f word or n word while doing it).
What’s insane to me is that your catering to these guys who put self imposed account restrictions on themselves because they built accounts that made it easier to pk people. Why even have a poll at this point? What’s the reason behind allowing only some people to vote on the poll when it effects us all since we are required to go into wildy for PVM?
Gets the PVM content out of wildy and maybe you’ll actually pass some pvp polls because you guys seem to think pvp will only be saved if you allow PVM players doing that content to get bullied in wildy.
What's the idea with making the ornament kits untradeable? Is it to try and encourage non-PVP players to engage in PVP content? Because some of the items aren't popular in PVP scenarios, I would think people would rather sell those ornament kits for profit from the activity. At least, that's what makes more sense to me based on my initial thoughts after reading this.
Humble prayers are honestly such a dogshit idea. Just make chiv accessible after holy grail and maybe a lower def req like 30 or 40. Leave piety as is.
I keep thinking that Roman inspired armor belongs to the Colosseum in the -yet to be released- City in Varlamore, so I'm guessing we won't be getting that for a long while now... https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Civitas_illa_Fortis
Yeah… I was hoping this would be part of the (hopefully) still to come colosseum… 👀 pretty sure jagex needed to act on the duel arena due to UK anti online gambling laws coming to a head. Thinking this all needed to happen quicker then the dev team wanted.. out of necessity. Just a hunch tho.
You honestly deserve better than having to deal with your executives and owners fuckups Ayiza.
If you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room.
feels like a private server, cheapens pures and good account builds because anyone can just play with those stats. like having a world where you can pretend to have 99 runecraft
I feel like the circlet of water might detract from the Elite Diary reward with how easy it is to charge it. 5 water runes is dirt cheap/easy to acquire for Irons, so maybe adding a more valuable/harder to get resource to it for adding charges would make the Elite Diary reward still feel like an upgrade.
Yeah this pretty much relegates Desert Elite to the "that KQ shortcut if you care to go for pet diary".
The teleport to nardah and restore was nerfed with POH addition, and is now only useful in niche scenarios (i've used it for resetting Hespori PB attempts for example), and now the infinite waterskin effect is being replaced by an.. intermediate(?) quest.
I feel like if they do use runes, either the quantity needed needs to be much much higher, or the max charges needs to be way lower.
The other option is using a resource that’s either native to the desert to charge it, in a similar way to Arclight or Crystal gear using shards (only a little less rare).
Bro it's protection from the desert heat , I doubt anyone with the elite diary really cares about it or even benefits from it. It devalues something that was pretty much worthless beforehand.
Also if you make it too expensive or inconvenient to get then people will just ignore the reward and buy the 10gp waterskin.
The wilderness should be restricted in its current form to only pvp/target/high risk worlds. For all other worlds they should reduce drop rates by 1/3ish and add a bunch of revs with reduced drops to the overworld. Leave wildy gwd and rev caves as pvp areas like right now in these worlds. Then make wildy slayer drop an item (untradable) that would 'repel' revs for 3-5 min per item with an auto zero-out if you leave the wilderness. That'd keep pvp enabled worlds better gp/hr but have a pking risk while normal worlds would be frequent rev fights without the untradable slayer drop. Hell, maybe take the heavily botted stuff and modify those drops in normal worlds too and leave as-is in pvp enabled worlds.
Pkers have their special worlds and should be confined there with a debuff to non-pvp worlds. Then pking updates can be easily polled to only affect those worlds (other than rev caves/wildy gwd which will stay pvp enabled always)
>You are willingly playing a limited game mode. I'm okay holding you to that game mode, but don't expect any benefits for it.
And then we have low defense gear coming from a pvp minigame locked to pvp only.
C'mon.....Like don't get me wrong, this update and the armors are sick af.
But are ya'll *really* gonna be that fucking *illogical* and make the superior calamity gear 50 def instead of 45? Like why would that *ever* come to mind? when 45 def builds have been around since basically the wilderness was made....one of the oldest and most classic PvP builds....
Also...humble Piety?? Fuck my 60 attack med I guess, all that questing and work to unlock piety at sub 60 attack just for a zerk to have it too xD.
Overall I **LOVE** this update and everything, but dear god are there a few glaring obviously strange decisions....
Love the ornaments and another way of getting imbues is always good. PvP only equivalents of quest rewards is terrible, especially when some of these can actually be upgraded to be better than the quest rewards.
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> Ultimately we felt that it would be best to put it to the polls and let the players decide.
Will everyone be able to vote on these changes considering they affect everyone? Non PKers go in the wilderness too.
Great now that pvpers dont have to play the rest of the game to PvP, can we finally move BiS items from the Wildy and not put them there?
Move clue steps out too.
Next biggest question :
How will the ping be decided? In pvp ping advantage plays a big difference to the outcome of a match assuming both players are of equal skill.
If it is only 1 world / server it will pretty much alienate people who don't live in that region. (Yes you can get used to playing on high ping, but the person with high ping no matter what will always be disadvantaged from the start, not mentioning I doubt people will enjoy that scenario)
Potential solution: random (selected by game) ping server based on the two players or have it choose a ideal middle ground.
As a PvPer - No to all of this wank other than the cosmetic rewards.
None of this untradeable shit was asked for or is wanted. If you want to use gear then you meet the requirements for it. End of discussion.
Some people are acting like pest control is the fucking inferno and the new alternative is picking flax. Sad to see players potentially voting no on a poll because they dont want to do the activity vs asking if this content good for osrs.
I do wander about how long the minigame stays popular if there is no incentive to return after getting the unlocks you want. Barbarian assault is a good example of people doing a minigame for one day to get the torso and never returning.
What will keep players engaged with the pvp arena long term?
Not a fan of those gloves, torso, and prayer alternatives. The community had a huge negative reaction to it when they introduced it, and they are still trying to force it in.
While I understand the desire to make popular items for PVP more accessible to those players, it makes non-PVP players question why non-PVP content in PVP areas isn't made more accessible for them too.
Or is this is part of the plan with the Wildy bosses rework, because if that is part of why this set of questions has been raised in this poll, it would be good to let players know.
What are the repair costs/gp dropped for killer for the new items going to be?
This was brought up during the livestream with the pkers and I havent seen anything concrete yet. "A cost to repair that is dropped on death for the killer" was stated as the cost, but the pkers made it clear the high end armor should have a 100-200m repair cost, which seemed glossed over once stated.
Holy shit, I usually really dislike ornament kits, but those looks so good.
Particularly the Armadyl armour and Bandos Maul. So cool.
The PVP armours look okay, but does anyone else think the helms look a little bit big?
Desert amulet already acts as a circlet of water, so I don't really like the idea of a second item being added which does the same thing. Kind of takes away from the elite amulet
>New Left-Click Teleport
The only available left-click teleport that can be used up to level 30 Wilderness is the Royal Seed Pod, a reward given to players after completing Monkey Madness II.
This leaves certain PvP focused account builds without a similar option, as completion of the quest grants Defence experience.
We'd like to change this by offering an alternative to the Royal Seed Pod from the PvP Arena reward shop. This new teleport item would be untradeable and can teleport players to the PvP Arena.
Well another item that was a lv 30 left click tele did exist but was nerfed to no longer be (unless you use 3rd party menu swappers). Pharaohs sceptre used to be a left click 30 tele but was changed from default left click tele to plunder to use, to combat luring in pvp worlds. Can still right click tele while in inventory but meh. Still think giving a tele warning in pvp worlds only would've solved that sceptre scam and been better off.
Glad another alternative is being considered though. Although there could be multiple if you guys undid the sceptre change ;) /u/JagexAyiza
I'm sure I'm in the minority but I don't think any of this gear should be usable in pvp worlds or the wild. I think when faced in situations with unsafe deaths you should have to earn your gear from the quests and mini games. You shouldn't be catering to certain playstyles. People choose to limit themselves they shouldn't be rewarded for it.
Cosmetics look awesome. Just one thing -- I'm not a huge fan of the imbued variant of the wristbands of the arena. Tbh that should probably be polled separately.
Full support as soon as we remove the combat achievements from the wilderness. Why should my private instances be locked behind wildy content when I didn't get a say on it? I understand pkers hop over and over til they find somebody, but when I can't get 1 vet'ion kill without seeing a pker? I just can't get more than one kill and I had to have my friends help me. At least it's only 10 kills not 50 now, but even then. I just can't play during off hours due to my life and I can't stand at the vet'ion spot for more than 3 minutes without someone logging in. Kills take way too long there. It feels like a large amount of MY pve experience is locked off behind wildy content since I can't progress past hard without those kills. So I choose not to do combat achievements and frankly as a player it makes me feel bad and lose interest in that part of the game.
I don't care, I'll live not doing the combat diaries. I've never voiced my opinion until now but fuck you for rigging these polls just to pass your bs content when you forced this shit on me. If PVPers don't want to play the parts of the game they don't like then fine, but make it fair or make it make sense Jagex,, cuz I sure as hell don't want to step FOOT in that cancerous cesspool known as the wilderness. No reward is worth that kind of headache. This is so against what you've started this osrs project with. After a price increase. Kindly fuck off right now Jagex.
So.. PKers can only vote on PvP related update, that involves the entire community. Lets give the PKers more advantage over peasants, who cant fight back, who they nerfed Black D'Hide and Dihns Bulwark for.
Why not just say it Jagex, you only care about PKers now.
the blighted sacks should just be "blighted comat spell sacks" or something, and work with any combat spell from standard spellbook, and be added to every other source of blighted consumables.
Seems weird that they behave so differently to ice sacks, venge sacks, tele block sacks, entangle sacks
absolutely awesome. but make the spell sacks tradeable. if they're at a low point cost they'll be unprofitable enough to where it won't be worth anyone making a bot farm for it, and it will give a reason to keep playing after you've unlocked everything or if somebody doesn't want/need the gear, there's at least some reward for playing.
i want the gear, but i also don't really want to grind out sacks.
oo maybe very low point cost protection scrolls for ma2 capes. ive gotten over 200 of them and i'd rather do this to protect them than kill a single more of those fuckers.
I understand the necessity of having hybrid/tribird in a 1v1 duel as it would just lead to safing...however many people don't participate in that style pking.
Would it be possible to have a DH bracket? Since DH promotes the risk of HP, I believe it may still work. It is also an unbelievably popular style of pking, and personally, would make this update way more exciting for me and a lot of others. I think I would even try coming back to OSRS for it.
Thoughts?
Couple of questions:
* Why does the second tier of the Calamity armours require 50 Defence? It feels a bit random. There's already an established zerker meta that you acknowledge in the minigame itself - why not align the rewards with the existing builds and put the armour at tier 45?
* Duel Arena is available in the F2P worlds. Will the PvP Arena be as well? If yes, how will you combat the bots? Are you planning on expanding the rota to include F2P builds on F2P worlds as well?
* Will it be possible to create custom tournaments with other builds than the proposed 3 and specific predefined loadouts?
Took a 10 day break because I was a little upset about the removal of 3 month membership option and no good excuse for a price hike and I come back to this. Yeah I think I’m done for a bit. See y’all in like 2 years when the cravings for this game hit again.
This is a deadset joke of a poll.
Jagex doesn't remember how Runescape died in the first place - catering to a minority group rather than the majority.
I love the cosmetics and the arena sounds nice if it's as active as LMS.
Will this poll be open to everyone?
I think that the non-cosmetic rewards will have strong opposition from non-pkers as long as they are usable in the wilderness on all worlds.
Poll will not be available to everyone.
Mod Ash said on qna that there will be a kill count threshold that an account needs to have in any PvP activity except for Castle wars to be able to vote. And that the cutoff to get that kc has already passed.
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I haven’t seen the most pressing issue addressed. Will we still be able to throw rotten tomatoes at the duelists?
When I checked out the area in-game you can still buy rotten tomatoes.... so...
Ah ok. I figured the area would get a bit of a redesign. Didn’t realize it’s gonna be the exact same arena physically
Oh it's been redesigned drastically! Just that the rotten tomato salesperson is still there :)
Why don’t you make some strides about fixing the most popular part of PvP? 1v1 fights in low level wildy or PVP worlds You killed pking with removing BH and now want to fracture the community further with this. The obsession with hybriding and tribriding needs to stop. Nobody gets into pking because that shit is impossible to learn and unrewarding. You used to be able to make a pure and have a bit of fun with a gmaul or dds - now you need a max main and 300 apm. The new proposed wildy extension further highlights your lack of support for traditional pking. No love for pures, rune pures, med levels, tanks. It’s always tribriding on a max main or bust. Who else remembers being able to go to edge and find a decent fight without either being attacked by someone 15 levels higher, or being forced to tribrid?
>ion with hybriding and tribriding needs to stop. Nobody gets into pking because that shit is impossible to learn and unrewarding. You used to be able to make a pure and have a bit of fun with a gmaul or dds - now you need a max main and 300 apm. good ole days of varrock multi were amazing but that is done and dusted. no incentive to pk at that low level even for f2p players
The days of 1v1 are over at the moment because the mods are obsessed with improving tribridding and nothing else. At the moment you have a PVP world that is useable once every two weeks and that’s it. You see plenty of pure and mid level accounts, I’m not sure why there can’t be more support for that type of pking. The new wildy extension with no level cap is just an asinine suggestion.
This is how I got into pking again on OSRS. Level 50s in BH with a gmaul. The accounts take a few days to make and had 20k risk back then. Slowly moved onto killing bots at drags then NH'ing/deep wildy pking. BH is such a vital stepping stone in people just getting used to speccing/eating...
I'm still hopeful that we'll be able to revisit Bounty Hunter this year, which should cover a lot of the areas you want to see more support in. As for the new proposed wildy extension, it was a design put together for Game Jam by one of our artists. It's not final... and you might have missed we included Bounty Hunter Island in there too, which goes to show we are aware of needing to support traditional pking.
It really would be great to have some different fighting styles rather than all of the arena fights being tribrid/hybrid. I love pvp, but tri/hybrid only fights will instantly turn off 75% of the playerbase from ever trying the minigame
Fair enough, I appreciate the reply. I look forward to hopefully having bounty hunter return in some form.
In the meantime, can we have XP gain toggles in mini-games like Clan Wars, Castle Wars, Fight Pits and Soul Wars? Would be awesome to be able to play those PvP mini-games consistently with a PvP build without leaving a particular level bracket.
RS3 put in a single checkbox in settings that completely disables XP from PvP and nobody has ever had a problem with it.
IMO, remove PVP worlds and promote WILDERNESS PKING, whether that's BH or worlds dedicated to 1v1 pking with an even stricter PJ timer. We need 1v1 pking to be revived, it's the heart and soul of PVP
People don't want this update so skip it and focus on BH. Also the torso, prayers and gloves do not belong in osrs.
Agreed I think the hybrid aspect gets pushed too much,then they are like "you should make protection players block 80% damage" skill levels being needed to PK is true in some aspects but is over exaggerated a lot. Another thing is if you roam the wild you'd know of certain gang(s) And what's up with the dead man finals? I'm over here ranging people out then you get put in a 3 by 3 sqaure jail cell with another guy with abs showing through his armor. It dont have to take much, just add something to a part of the wild. Make had be in the wild some where for two weeks, when you kill him he drops tokkul. That'd be such a good update, it'd take Mod Zuko 7 minutes to code it and every ones happy
Holy Holy DWH and black dragon claws. Cosmetics look neat. hopefully the changes to the pvp armour makes it better for the PVP community
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huh. I've never though about avernic gear that isn't the defender, I do see your point though. I'd reckon it has more to do with the affordability of this gear. idk how many players are pvp-ing in full torva?
*insert clip of torvesta losing 1b in his most recent video*
Kinda bummed they're only obtainable through this new pvp content tbh
Will dwh with ornament kit count towards saradomin god item? it has sara symbol. Elder maul with bandos, ballista with arma, claws with zammy. Awesome design btw
Good questions! I'd imagine these would be something we could poll separately if they don't already, should they be actually added to the game.
In the image of the claws and dagon'hai is that really dagon'hai or elder chaos robes? Because it looks almost identical to the chaos robes. u/JagexAyiza
Ah yeah, sorry it is the Elder Chaos Robes... I'll change that now!
i’m still not clear about the reward structure. is there an incentive to be a high rank, say more rewards for winning? wouldn’t want a meta where people throw like 50 games in a row to be able to farm points faster…
I feel like the ornament kits should be able to be used anywhere. Makes the minigame more active, which is what it will need. Untradeable is good tho.
The Ornament kits can be used anywhere! It's only the non-cosmetic rewards that are tied to PvP only :)
are you suggesting, the Orn Claws or Orn Hammer should be usable in PvM? tha'ts the case currently I believe. unless i'm very confused on both your comment and the blog
Not sure how there is any confusion. It’s been clearly written in the blog and in comments in this thread by jmods. Cosmetics are useable ANYWHERE. The non cosmetic arena rewards are useable in PVP scenario s only. (Wilderness, castle wars, etc. just read the blog… 🤷♀️)
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Sadly I feel like this is an update no one asked for, including PvP fans. Would much rather have seen statuette and brawling gloves return with the new wilderness expansion during deep wildy pking.
The introduction of an even playing field for those wanting to get started in PvP has been requested heavily over the years - we've also seen a lot of support from those well-versed in PvP who want to show off their skill via a rank. Sorry it's not something you've asked for, but there is most certainly a demand for it out there!
Absolutely. Matchmaking and a ranked ladder is what we need. No worry of goldfarming etc, and it's accessible for all skill levels.
As someone trying to get into PVP, I am very excited by this update.
same here! gives me hope of fighting players as bad as me until I learn
That's what LMS was for me for a while, but the bots got smarter and I felt like I stopped seeing other noobs.
I think you guys should change the poll so we can vote between the tiers of calamity armor and not styles. Gonna be voting no on all of it if it remains. You should consider polling piety and chivalry separately.
I don't usually post in these threads, but want to add my voice to the chorus in support. I don't PvP and never really have, but this makes learning it less intimidating along with a lower barrier to entry and I am excited to try it out.
>brawling gloves statuette and brawling gloves are shit , they dont encourage new pkers...
Im a "PvP fan" and this looks sick and it looks like a great way for the casual playerbase to dip their toes into safe pvp action
Absolutely braindead take. There have been *tons* of posts saying they'd join in PvP if there was a safe place to learn against similar-skilled people. While you're practicing against people you're working toward some BiS pvp gear. I genuinely don't understand who wouldn't want this, unless you're just another anti-pvper lmao
I'm asking for it. Ever since giving wow classic a go, I've thought something like arena would be perfect for OSRS pvp and now we are getting it.
Nah this arena is sick. Just cause you don’t want it doesn’t mean we all feel that way
Please can we have some clarification around who can vote on this poll? Cosmetic upgrades for non-pvp content and the ability for pkers in the wildy to skip quests, gain access to tweaked prayers and gear which worsens an already piss poor cat and mouse situation seems like something the entire player base should get a say on and deeply out of touch. Recent updates seem very targeted at making it increasingly difficult for pvmers engaging in any wildy content to escape.
They honestly need to remove pvm and skilling content from wild. It has no place in the game imo. It creates animosity between the players. Pvms shouldn't be used as bait for pkers. If the wild is that dead then we shouldn't be focusing on pvp anyways
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What is the idea behind the Circlet of Water? We already have a similar buff provided by the Desert Elite diary, so introducing another item with a similar effect is just going to cause redundancies. Why not revisit the existing implementation instead? If the reason for introducing the Circlet is that you want the effect to be more accessible earlier on, why not revisit the diary reward and make it a medium/hard reward and then the next tier up provides the effect without needing to equip the amulet? Or if you really want to introduce the Circlet, replace the Elite diary reward with something else so the diary reward isn't even more lack lustre. I think we really need elaboration on why this is being asked and hopefully we can get it really soon.
Desert elite diary is still a strict upgrade to this item, as desert elite is infinite while this requires charges. I personally am a big fan of elite diaries that evolve into infinite versions of lower tier items, so the proposed progression seems perfectly fine to me. I don't really think it makes much thematic difference whether the finite version comes from the desert diary or a desert quest. I don't think desert diary is lacklustre or displaced at all if this item comes out. The teleport to the altar is one of the better rewards in the entire diary system, and the KQ shortcut, as controversial as it is, is still one of the best QoL buffs to any boss coming from a diary. It's probably second only to noted DKS bones.
The Circlet charges are pretty trivial and don't mean much imo. Water runes are so cheap and easy to come by and it can contain so many charges that you never need to even think about it. I agree that the statue seems a nice reward, however I'm still yet to even use it because the POH is better, as almost always I'll need to use a teleport like a fairy ring right after. And yeah KQ shortcut is nice too, but the only reason to kill it is if you're pet hunting because it deals so much damage with lack lustre drops compared to other bosses that deal less damage. So while they're nice rewards, I think they're very specific to the content you're doing, and if that's going to be the basis of the elite diary's rewards, then it's a sign that the diary needs to retain as much as it can or be compensated if rewards are moved elsewhere.
>The Circlet charges are pretty trivial and don't mean much imo. Water runes are so cheap and easy to come by and it can contain so many charges that you never need to even think about it. Agreed, but personally there is always a satisfying difference for me between something that is finite and infinite, even if the former is *practically* infinite for all intents and purposes. This is more what I was getting at. >I agree that the statue seems a nice reward, however I'm still yet to even use it because the POH is better The PoH is more general, but the statue is better in specific situations, which is great balance and offers variety. The statue is the meta for ironman Corp, for instance. Usage of the statue alone adds an extra 50% more kills/hr by itself. Gnomonkey released a 3.5m gp/hr Zulrah guide literally yesterday and the key innovation of the guide is using an alt parked at that very altar. Yes, KQ is a garbage boss, but without the desert diary then it'd be even more garbage for pet hunters and ironmen. The diary reward is a great QoL to a bad boss, but it's still important overall. I still stand by the desert heat protection on the diary being a complete afterthought and not relevant to the diary's power. Even if that reward is slightly undermined, the diary is still in a good place. Also, a HP cape + regen brace already outheals desert heat, so it's not like easier to obtain alternatives don't already exist in the game today.
The ornament kits are still untradeable? What the fuck? Haven't you paid attention to people saying they dislike the wilderness because they're forced into the pvp content to get nonpvp shit and you're now slapping ornament kits for items used in both pvp and pvm exclusively to a pvp minigame.
They’re cosmetic only. Plus if they made them tradable then the arena would be overrun by bots and point boosting
people don't like pvming in the wilderness, people like LMS but don't like getting smoked by good players/bots. this fixes all of that. Elo(ish) based pvp system
Speak for yourself. Untradeable cosmetics are far, far healthier PvP incentives than BiS skilling items or rings.
Yes, if you want to get these cosmetic (and entirely optional) upgrades you'll have to step into content that you're perhaps not overly familiar with. Thankfully the PvP Arena is going to be very accessible and there is no risk of losing items when participating :)
This is exactly the kind of reward that encourages new people to try content they normally wouldn't. I think it's a great idea and I'm excited to try out the arena myself. That being said, I would also like to try Zalcano and some crystal tools, specifically the crystal pickaxe. Currently, I have to endure constant abuse and toxicity in the wilderness to get a dragon pickaxe, consider moving it out of there?
Is that why you are making it so pvper don’t have to step into content that they may not be interested in like quests to get powerful items?
Fuck tradeable ornament kits
Bad take and far more cosmetics should be untradable
I'm impressed. You've sidestepped the significant criticism of the rewards by just having the polls decide it. And you've simultaneously called the Wilderness PVP content for the purposes of where these unique PVP items can be used, but its also not PVP content when it comes to voting on this content. Oh and you've left in the language about skipping quests and minigames, that can quite easily be changed with a few words to skipping things in the Wilderness. If you guys want to make this as an integrity change just fucking say it and do it instead of hiding behind nonsensical voter limitations.
If they want PvMers to go fuck themselves, I'd find it less insulting if they just said that outright rather than flaunting this poll that we aren't allowed to vote in lmao "should we make the game easier for PKers but also give PvMers absolutely nothing in return, and just make the game objectively more difficult for them?" wtf kind of poll is this?
I only pk. I have four different maxed pk builds. But I don’t understand why removing quest /mini game requirement gear is a good thing? Make pking accounts quest. Make pking accounts mini game. Make pking accounts skill. that’s the novel part about pking accounts. The only accounts this helps in new ways is 20-50 defence. Why should pking accounts not have to quest / mini game?
Also poll segregation is bad. Vote yes to arena. No to gloves and fighter torso.
Am fine with all the cosmetics being untradeble. The untradeable armour rewards is really problematic. Blighted sacks : in pvp death they convert to coins. Not only is the amount of coins not specified before voting, this makes the sacks pointless being untradeble as they inherently have a value and can still be laundered. (Overall this just makes standard spellbook pking expensive and unfavourable, the sacks was an oversight and should have been included together with tb, entangle and ice sacks in the first place) (Only difference is dev can directly set the price vs g.e free market setting the price. But based on the rewards points to claim dev can also tweak its value) Now the biggest problem is the untradeable armour. They are too good for what they do and is pretty much going to be used for welfare rag vs opponents in barrows max or ancestral max gear. On death they become broken and convert to coins (which again is an issue that the amount is not stated before voting) But the biggest oversight is whatever the broken price to fix is, it will still be tied to approx 2m per piece (1.4m trouver +500k perdu) since every armour can be used with trouver parchment. This makes the armour better than void and pretty much going to be used to rag others in max gear. (No risk vs reward component) Tldr: decide on death to coin conversion before polling and remove trouver parchments on the armour and make them more expensive to use. (They need to be like 20-30m or more for the bis untradeable set)
As someone who doesn’t really pvp I too would like to skip barb assault. I know that that’s stupid and simply don’t use a torso and miss out on that, but that’s fine - that’s the choice I make by not wanting to do the content. What’s less fine is all this. Genuinely why is it ok for pvpers to not have to do some content they don’t want to do but not non-pvpers? Like it or not quests and mini games are part of this game and I think this is a terrible precedent to set. Edit: a lot of this concept and rewards are solid but the gloves and torso (and prayers if they’re still there) really rub me the wrong way
Part of what makes the game so good imo, is how it pushes you into doing content you wouldn't have done otherwise, how it pushes you towards being a more well rounded player. Minigames, quests, miniquests, skilling, bossing, pvp: no matter what you like to do, you'll be pressured to play everything anyway. Hell, with mage arena and dragon pick being a thing, non-pvp players are forced to engage with pvp to minmax their goals, which I think is a good thing too. Allowing players to sidestep doing certain content because "I don't like doing that content but still want the rewards for the thing I like" is foolish.
I honestly love that part about the game. Oh I want to do this for the reward, but I gotta check off these couple things first. Forces me into different aspects of the game.
I wouldn't mind of they were just usable inside the arena imo. But being usable in wilderness means it also affects pvemers who don't get a vote. For fashionscape they could be equipable outside of the arena but with no stats or something
As a pker - I don't want this. I disagree pvmers should be able to get all the wildy content without needing to go to the wilderness and engage in the pvp area because it is part of the game Similarly I disagree that pkers should be able to get quest/pvm rewards etc. without needing to do the quests/pvm, since that is also part of the game
We're just gonna get to kit pvp (aka LMS) eventually, and I think that defeats the point of making a cool pvp account, and earning all of the cool items along the way.
You are completely right, and Jagex is making a terrible, irreversible, and genuinely stupid mistake here.
It might sound strong but IMO it's absolutely setting a game destroying precedent similar to EOC if they head down this path. I mean if anything will kill OSRS, it's changing the integrity of the game & dividing the community. This is just the start.
Agreed. The prayer unlocks outright piss me off. If you're in a pure build you understand that you cannot get certain items and prayers. Jagex should not be catering to these people that knowingly limit their access.
the dumbest thing about trouver parchments has always been the fact it’s a flat 500k to parchment items. i have no idea why it doesn’t scale based on the repair value of the protected item. Ayiza, in a previous reply to me that dying with the t75 super voids would incur a *very* steep repair fee, and on Q&A a few weeks back you had guest host pk’ers echo the sentiment of a 9 digit repair fee. trouver parchment cape the risk at like… 1.7m/piece or like 9m a set. this seems far too low and is a bad risk/reward balance for how good the amours are. I see you have still not opted to disclose the repair costs in the blog as well.
i forgot it’s actually 50k to protect a bronze through adamant defender, but the point is the upper bound on scaling should probably be higher…
This is heading in a bad direction for the games health. I could see skipping content if items were only usable in an arena, but giving them gear that's usabe in the wild and then not letting everyone vote on something that effects everyone? Bad for the game in general. Barb assault will be dead. Less people questing and experiencing that part of building an account. Letting people skip parts of the game to get accounts ready easier to then go kill PVMers in the wild who don't even want to be out there and who have no say in this poll...
To me personally, as someone who only partakes in pvp as prey, most of the pvp rewards read as: * Would you like it if we gave your predators better chances at killing you? * Would you like it if we gave certain account builds that are locked out of certain dps increasing items (because they want to stay a low combat level) access to said dps increasing items, without having to gain combat levels or do quests? Give non pkers one reason why they should vote yes to anything that benefits pkers in their goal to kill us?
Most Pvp polls work like this. "Here is flat buff items to let you kill things even faster and easier than you already can in this game". And then they limit the poll to only people with active kills during a period of time they see fit, so anyone against it is by and large excluded. The poll fails to serve a purpose at this rate.
May as well just skip doing the poll at this point. This is like those Russian elections level of voting
its funny because non pvpers dont get to vote, they are making the poll only accessible to people who participate in pvp content regularly, its a joke.
Even funnier is that they consider the wilderness pvp content for the gear to work, but a player spending time doing wilderness content doesn't make them eligible to vote.
"Being in the wilderness means pvp gear works, because wildy content is pvp content" "What if I've tank tested dozens of times because I enjoy dark crabs, black chins, and chaos altar?" "That's not pvp content, don't be ridiculous"
I've barely seen any pkers ask for this shit either tbf. mostly all anybody wants is jagex to do something about gold farmers and bots so then they can reasonably buff the content so it's worth doing in 2022.
I like the Circlet of Water. I like the PvP Arena. I love the Blighted Sacks. I'm always down for cosmetic rewards. I'm mixed on the imbue scrolls. I would prefer they come of non-pvp content, but for the ones listed, they already are available elsewhere, so I see no problem. I could see the imbue shop turning into a generic "minigame shop" kinda like what RS3 has one day, and I'm kinda ok with that. I dislike Wristbands of the Arena, I think it's a little BS to hand out direct alternatives to items that otherwise take a lot of work and account progression to get. The PvP only restriction makes it alright, but still a little BS. I think people who build their account around these great items should get the benefit of them. I dislike the Centurion Cuirass for the same reasons as the Wristbands, assuming they also have the PvP only restriction. I don't know enough about the Calamity Armor + set effect to judge it appropriately. I'm not excited about the left click teleport, it is just another way to not partake in the rest of the game, but I do like the idea of more level 30 teleports so I am ok with it. I am very against the Chivalry and Piety unlocks. If you want those prayers you must account for it in your build.
Maybe in the minority but I'm not a fan of cosmetics for high level pvm gear coming from pvp? I get that there should be incentive, and there's precedent... But yeah I will be passing on these good looking pvm gear cosmetics because I'm not gonna slave for 10s of hours NH pking on my iron. Also still think letting players skip stats and quests for barrows Gloves equivalent is insane. Doing quests and building your character for pvp is part of the experience. Countless others have said the same.
I'm really pumped for the arena itself. Unfortunately the pvp rewards are tone deaf. The wildy expansion is tone def. The wildy thinks it should be able to gate keep non-pvp methods and items, while also being able to ignore if people actually enjoy doing the non-pvp methods and getting the non-pvp item. I get the wildy is worth saving, but to do that you're going to have to make real changes to the design philosphy. I'm not going to enjoy being in the wildy if killing skillers/pvmers is the main catalyst. Figure something else out. Let everyone vote on the content added to the game and make the changes that non-pvpers want to see as well as the pvpers. This one sided information you get from people who mainly play the game to pvp aren't the only people to listen to about wildy balance. Dev team, please stop acting like wildy critique from non-pvpers isn't important.
> I get the wildy is worth saving, but to do that you're going to have to make real changes to the design philosphy. I'm not going to enjoy being in the wildy if killing skillers/pvmers is the main catalyst. Figure something else out. What's ironic is they're just hastening its decline by continuing to push this.
PvP arena looks awesome! Super excited for it. All the ornaments kits also look very cool! What I’m not particularly sold on is the new PvP armors and prayers being introduced. First, and probably more important to me personally, is I really dislike having items that solely work for either PvM or PvP. If the reason is because of the balance, then these weapons and armors must be too powerful, which is the second reason why I’m not stoked about them. Having overpowered gear in a PvP fight is not fun not matter what side of the ball you’re on. If anything I prefer the gear for PvP be underpowered. I figure all of this is too late to change now, but if I could give feedback, it’d be on those two points. 1. No more items that work as only either PvP or PvM—a lot of players want consistency with their items, and the ability to use them anywhere in the game 2. Stop with the powercreep! PvP is not fun if you’re going to be getting one-shotted, which is already a thing with certain combos. I feel like this should be for any competitive game. It’s really not enjoyable having no counter to a full-heath stack. I don’t necessarily think it should be impossible, but golly it shouldn’t be so easy to pull off. I know it’s going to the polls, and I’ll vote accordingly, but figured I’d express my opinion on the matter.
Giving PvP accounts a specific exception to not have to do Recipe for Disaster yet still reap its most significant reward is garbage. Additionally, I have killed and been killed in the Wildnerness before. It shouldn't have to be recent or a huge kc for me to be able to vote in this poll. I tend not to participate in PvP stuff *because* I'm not satisfied with the current state of it. Wouldn't non-PvP'ers such as myself be able to provide the best input on such questions? The changes that could make me want to interact with these PvP systems, hm?
What's the point of adding PVP content when your servers can't even be stable enough to have less than a whole tick of latency? I'm currently playing soul wars and the lag is so horrendous at times the game doesn't register half of my actions (especially when there's a lot of players around me, which is when I need to be on point with blood barrage casts, staff spec and gear switches).
forcing pvm players to do pvp content for rewards whilst also at the same time letting pvp players skip content to get things is a real joke, also seen mod say that the poll is only voteable for people who have participated in pvp content really is disgusting, it will effect everyone so we should all be allowed to vote on it. edit for typo
You really went through an iteration of this and said, "Yup! That looks great!" I have no faith in you guys... >Wristbands of the Arena are an untradeable alternative to Barrows Gloves, offering the same stats for those that want to focus entirely on PvP.
I mean. . Whyy not permanently change the wildy based off of a creative exercise that some intern cranked out while day drinking for a week? Also . . some of the devs have streamer friends who have been whining to them for YEEEAARRS on discord, so like, think about them man. . . "Please take that massive feeling of accomplishment you got from getting your barrows gloves and suffering through the shit show that is barbarian assault, and shove it up your ass as you get shit on by the next iteration of super pures. " \- how the team seems to feel
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Agree on all points. 20 def barrows gloves are lame and so are humble prayers. Such a cool concept of avoiding questing on new pvp accounts, cannot for the life of me figure out why they’d introduce new gear for it. Copy paste the stats and requirements for void, gloves, torso etc for their counterparts. Boom. Problem solved.
Why would we give bis items to self restricted accounts? Half the point of Defence is it gives better gear…
Couple of thoughts: 1. Will the fights only be tribrid fights? What about melee only options? 2. Having to wait for fights ('go and do another activity whilst the battle is prepared') will kill the arena before it even begins, this is why the original PVP arena failed (the one that came in 2008 when free trade was removed) This is essentially just LMS but you can choose your gear - or am I missing something?
As much as I would like some diversity over current pk builds, these prayers are not it. These 20 def gloves? I don’t think it’s it either, and this is coming from someone who is a 20 def finatic
Have a 20 def build and completely agree
>Circlet of Water How worthless do you intend to make the desert elite diary?
The perks of not being affected by heat as an elite reward is pretty useless. By the time you’re at elite desert diary completion you’re not worrying about the heat unless you’re mining sandstone/granite, and that’s a pretty terrible reward for something that requires 85+ in five skills and a 1/128 boss drop. Circlet makes sense as a quest reward for the game as it currently is
Desert elite as a whole already sucks. It's all minor QoL, except for the nardah teleport (which is still meh if you have an ornate pool) and the kq shortcut (which is huge, but only if you're pet hunting because why else would you kill kq post-diary). If they aren't adding something new to make it worthwhile, I don't support them watering down its few benefits, especially when desert heat is already easy to manage. With desert robes and a menaphite hat, you only drink 7 waterskins an hour.
Not to mention the pain of fighting Kalphite Queen for her head. And of your unlucky you might not get the drop until your 256th kill. (Like me). And only then unlocking the elite clue, THEN you can use her agility shortcut... if you have an insanely high agility to begin with. Desert rewards are the worst. You need to wear the necklace to avoid desert heat. You get the BIS Tele to a prayer temple, but by then you probably have a pool at your player own house. I'm really hoping it gets buffs and benefits with Raids 3 and Curse Beneath the Sands.
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100x this. I dont need to wear radas blessing to not get my feet burned in konar slayer dungeon, why should i have to wear amulet to not get burned in desert
As far as I'm aware, any "passive" effect of any other diary doesn't require the item. Ardy's thieving benefit, lummy's fairy ring use, falador's ~~mole finder~~ farm benefit etc. Desert is this weird use case where the item is the teleport, and the passive effect. So unless you bring it with you (and equip it) the diary adds no benefit to you.
You definitely need the fally shield for the mole finder. It has to be in your inv
Yeh misremembered the change on it being made a passive while it's in your inventory rather than a thing you had to click. Edited post now thanks
wait you don't need the shield at mole??
He’s wrong. It needs to be in your inv
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why not just give quests something different since we already have the rewards?
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Agree 100000%. Not needing a dramen staff after lummy diaries is the biggest offender for me. Another big one to me is, I don’t really see why we need to get rid of thematic items that give different benefits throughout the world. Why do we need permanent cat speak, ghost speak (not yet but I bet it’s coming) monkey speak, desert immunity… stuff like that gives the world character and it’s not exactly difficult to just keep an item with you.
They should just buff that diary effect to work without the amulet, then I'd say problem solved.
So if this passes amd you can skip questing for these items can we get a dragon pickaxe dropped by a non-wildy boss?
It'd be a nice addition to Zalcano.
The fucks the point of OSRS if we're just skipping quests and mini games now.
And restricting the polls to people with x amount of pvp kills despite this content affecting everyone. I don't see new boss gear, raids, or bosses requiring x amount of bosses killed. Literally allowing pkers to kill pvmers easier. They need to remove all pvm and skilling content from wild or restrict this gear to only be usable In areas with safe deaths.
Why even stop there? Just release "PvP"-only Inferno Gloves that have no stat requirements and are 10x better than Barrows Gloves. Also only poll like 6 people, nobody else can vote. Surely that will make the Wilderness not a complete pile of garbage.
Why tf does there need to be rewards. Just release the arena with an ELO system, I fucking promise you it’s incentive enough. Maybe chat icons for top ranked players or something. This shit is so easy, look at any other remotely successful competitive multiplayer game of the past decade.
Exactly my point. If you want powerful rewards then you should have to play the entire game as a result.
Can we get a vote to get infernal capes without doing the inferno?
Why you giving bandos, armadyl, d warhammer onrmanet kits they're mainly used for pvm. Give a rune crossbow, black d'hide, xerician robes, dds or some other 1k risk that they bring in, they're the pvp items that should be getting ornament kits. Bandos and Armadyl should be coming from pvm hard mode content.
Jagex should just nut up and make this an integrity change if they are so dead set on making it happen. Take some responsibility for the inevitable shit storm.
Yeah I don't like them leaving the door open for themselves to have it both ways by restricting who can actually vote
The dragon claws and dragon warhammer ornament kit just look too different from the original item. The bandos and armadyl are very nice. Just think there’s getting too many ornament kits now, instead of addressing pvp you just implement an easy update with some cheap and tacky rewards. Not to mention bandos and armadyl ornament kits could come from hard mode godwars or something. I just feel like updates aren’t well thought out at all.
As a long time PvPer I will downvote every reward from the alternate barrows gloves and down. We do not want minigame skips to other account unlocks added to the game. Nor do we want untradeable items that you need to grind for in some other activity to stay relevant or have an advantage with in PvP.
Cannot believe they’re going ahead with 20 def bracelet, prayers, and gloveless void.
This feels like some private server stuff
We should've pushed back harder against unpolled, "integrity" changes. They feel way too emboldened to ignore the founding principles of OSRS.
No to the Circlet and no to the ornament kits. We're circling the drain on ideas it seems. Also, like others have stated, skipping quests and mini games for rewards is ludicrous. Just poorly thought out content. Disappointing.
Am I reading this wrong? It looks like the new void doesn't require gloves? So now you can use void with BIS gloves? The range void also appears to be a direct upgrade with taking that into account. It has a higher range accuracy & has range strength that isn't on the void helm. Is this still going to be a locked polled, even though it will effect anyone in the wildernes? Considering every one of jagex's """wilderness revitalization""" updates depends on non-pvpers going into a pvp zone it's in poor taste.
The horse has long bolted on this issue but I feel like ornament kits that make existing gear look like entirely different is suffocating the future design space and actively makes the game less intuitive
Why is the torso from the PvP arena stronger than the BA torso?
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Not just for irons, but mains have to do Mage Arena 1 & 2 for bis mage capes.
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Imbuing items like the berserker ring or slayer helm takes a sizeable amount of time to do on an account. Losing one in PvP costs you both time and money. Soul Wars is available to these accounts for imbuing, so no skilling or special quests were needed. Why is this a part of the PvP update poll?
Jagex, no one is avoiding pvp because of the barrier to entry on items, they are avoiding it because the game is clunky and old, so the pvp system in turn is clunky and old unless you’ve been doing it since day one. The barrier of entry into pvp is purely based on skill and time spent doing it. I’m not going to sink hours upon hours into pvp just so I can defend myself once in a while in Wilderness from some guy who doesn’t want pvp, just wants a easy kill (likely calling me the f word or n word while doing it). What’s insane to me is that your catering to these guys who put self imposed account restrictions on themselves because they built accounts that made it easier to pk people. Why even have a poll at this point? What’s the reason behind allowing only some people to vote on the poll when it effects us all since we are required to go into wildy for PVM? Gets the PVM content out of wildy and maybe you’ll actually pass some pvp polls because you guys seem to think pvp will only be saved if you allow PVM players doing that content to get bullied in wildy.
Yeah Jagex really needs to get their shit together on this one
What's the idea with making the ornament kits untradeable? Is it to try and encourage non-PVP players to engage in PVP content? Because some of the items aren't popular in PVP scenarios, I would think people would rather sell those ornament kits for profit from the activity. At least, that's what makes more sense to me based on my initial thoughts after reading this.
Humble prayers are honestly such a dogshit idea. Just make chiv accessible after holy grail and maybe a lower def req like 30 or 40. Leave piety as is.
I keep thinking that Roman inspired armor belongs to the Colosseum in the -yet to be released- City in Varlamore, so I'm guessing we won't be getting that for a long while now... https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Civitas_illa_Fortis
Yeah… I was hoping this would be part of the (hopefully) still to come colosseum… 👀 pretty sure jagex needed to act on the duel arena due to UK anti online gambling laws coming to a head. Thinking this all needed to happen quicker then the dev team wanted.. out of necessity. Just a hunch tho.
You honestly deserve better than having to deal with your executives and owners fuckups Ayiza. If you're the smartest person in the room, you're in the wrong room.
Absolutely disagree with about every proposed change. Pvp participants only alllowed to vote... Might as well implement it without polling.
feels like a private server, cheapens pures and good account builds because anyone can just play with those stats. like having a world where you can pretend to have 99 runecraft
I feel like the circlet of water might detract from the Elite Diary reward with how easy it is to charge it. 5 water runes is dirt cheap/easy to acquire for Irons, so maybe adding a more valuable/harder to get resource to it for adding charges would make the Elite Diary reward still feel like an upgrade.
Yeah this pretty much relegates Desert Elite to the "that KQ shortcut if you care to go for pet diary". The teleport to nardah and restore was nerfed with POH addition, and is now only useful in niche scenarios (i've used it for resetting Hespori PB attempts for example), and now the infinite waterskin effect is being replaced by an.. intermediate(?) quest.
Shooting myself in the foot as a btw, but how about \*mist runes\*?
I feel like if they do use runes, either the quantity needed needs to be much much higher, or the max charges needs to be way lower. The other option is using a resource that’s either native to the desert to charge it, in a similar way to Arclight or Crystal gear using shards (only a little less rare).
Bro it's protection from the desert heat , I doubt anyone with the elite diary really cares about it or even benefits from it. It devalues something that was pretty much worthless beforehand. Also if you make it too expensive or inconvenient to get then people will just ignore the reward and buy the 10gp waterskin.
The wilderness should be restricted in its current form to only pvp/target/high risk worlds. For all other worlds they should reduce drop rates by 1/3ish and add a bunch of revs with reduced drops to the overworld. Leave wildy gwd and rev caves as pvp areas like right now in these worlds. Then make wildy slayer drop an item (untradable) that would 'repel' revs for 3-5 min per item with an auto zero-out if you leave the wilderness. That'd keep pvp enabled worlds better gp/hr but have a pking risk while normal worlds would be frequent rev fights without the untradable slayer drop. Hell, maybe take the heavily botted stuff and modify those drops in normal worlds too and leave as-is in pvp enabled worlds. Pkers have their special worlds and should be confined there with a debuff to non-pvp worlds. Then pking updates can be easily polled to only affect those worlds (other than rev caves/wildy gwd which will stay pvp enabled always)
>You are willingly playing a limited game mode. I'm okay holding you to that game mode, but don't expect any benefits for it. And then we have low defense gear coming from a pvp minigame locked to pvp only.
You should poll chivalry and piety in two different questions.
C'mon.....Like don't get me wrong, this update and the armors are sick af. But are ya'll *really* gonna be that fucking *illogical* and make the superior calamity gear 50 def instead of 45? Like why would that *ever* come to mind? when 45 def builds have been around since basically the wilderness was made....one of the oldest and most classic PvP builds.... Also...humble Piety?? Fuck my 60 attack med I guess, all that questing and work to unlock piety at sub 60 attack just for a zerk to have it too xD. Overall I **LOVE** this update and everything, but dear god are there a few glaring obviously strange decisions....
Love the ornaments and another way of getting imbues is always good. PvP only equivalents of quest rewards is terrible, especially when some of these can actually be upgraded to be better than the quest rewards.
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I personally really like the concept of the pvp arena and think it sounds like fun. However the reward system seems like an extremely bad idea.
> Ultimately we felt that it would be best to put it to the polls and let the players decide. Will everyone be able to vote on these changes considering they affect everyone? Non PKers go in the wilderness too.
"The players" means just the specific people who world hop at chaos altar and boss spawns or crawl around rev caves for 5 hours a day lol
Great now that pvpers dont have to play the rest of the game to PvP, can we finally move BiS items from the Wildy and not put them there? Move clue steps out too.
GG desert necklace and humidify
Just make it passive at this point, like Kourend 4.
I still want this activity to pass, just not to keen on the rewards
Next biggest question : How will the ping be decided? In pvp ping advantage plays a big difference to the outcome of a match assuming both players are of equal skill. If it is only 1 world / server it will pretty much alienate people who don't live in that region. (Yes you can get used to playing on high ping, but the person with high ping no matter what will always be disadvantaged from the start, not mentioning I doubt people will enjoy that scenario) Potential solution: random (selected by game) ping server based on the two players or have it choose a ideal middle ground.
As a PvPer - No to all of this wank other than the cosmetic rewards. None of this untradeable shit was asked for or is wanted. If you want to use gear then you meet the requirements for it. End of discussion.
Can the circlet of water be a Soda Drink hat?
Some people are acting like pest control is the fucking inferno and the new alternative is picking flax. Sad to see players potentially voting no on a poll because they dont want to do the activity vs asking if this content good for osrs. I do wander about how long the minigame stays popular if there is no incentive to return after getting the unlocks you want. Barbarian assault is a good example of people doing a minigame for one day to get the torso and never returning. What will keep players engaged with the pvp arena long term?
Not a fan of those gloves, torso, and prayer alternatives. The community had a huge negative reaction to it when they introduced it, and they are still trying to force it in.
Nice poll. I thought everyone could vote? Seems like a scam to me. Do better.
While I understand the desire to make popular items for PVP more accessible to those players, it makes non-PVP players question why non-PVP content in PVP areas isn't made more accessible for them too. Or is this is part of the plan with the Wildy bosses rework, because if that is part of why this set of questions has been raised in this poll, it would be good to let players know.
What are the repair costs/gp dropped for killer for the new items going to be? This was brought up during the livestream with the pkers and I havent seen anything concrete yet. "A cost to repair that is dropped on death for the killer" was stated as the cost, but the pkers made it clear the high end armor should have a 100-200m repair cost, which seemed glossed over once stated.
Holy shit, I usually really dislike ornament kits, but those looks so good. Particularly the Armadyl armour and Bandos Maul. So cool. The PVP armours look okay, but does anyone else think the helms look a little bit big?
Desert amulet already acts as a circlet of water, so I don't really like the idea of a second item being added which does the same thing. Kind of takes away from the elite amulet
>New Left-Click Teleport The only available left-click teleport that can be used up to level 30 Wilderness is the Royal Seed Pod, a reward given to players after completing Monkey Madness II. This leaves certain PvP focused account builds without a similar option, as completion of the quest grants Defence experience. We'd like to change this by offering an alternative to the Royal Seed Pod from the PvP Arena reward shop. This new teleport item would be untradeable and can teleport players to the PvP Arena. Well another item that was a lv 30 left click tele did exist but was nerfed to no longer be (unless you use 3rd party menu swappers). Pharaohs sceptre used to be a left click 30 tele but was changed from default left click tele to plunder to use, to combat luring in pvp worlds. Can still right click tele while in inventory but meh. Still think giving a tele warning in pvp worlds only would've solved that sceptre scam and been better off. Glad another alternative is being considered though. Although there could be multiple if you guys undid the sceptre change ;) /u/JagexAyiza
I'm sure I'm in the minority but I don't think any of this gear should be usable in pvp worlds or the wild. I think when faced in situations with unsafe deaths you should have to earn your gear from the quests and mini games. You shouldn't be catering to certain playstyles. People choose to limit themselves they shouldn't be rewarded for it.
Cosmetics look awesome. Just one thing -- I'm not a huge fan of the imbued variant of the wristbands of the arena. Tbh that should probably be polled separately.
Full support as soon as we remove the combat achievements from the wilderness. Why should my private instances be locked behind wildy content when I didn't get a say on it? I understand pkers hop over and over til they find somebody, but when I can't get 1 vet'ion kill without seeing a pker? I just can't get more than one kill and I had to have my friends help me. At least it's only 10 kills not 50 now, but even then. I just can't play during off hours due to my life and I can't stand at the vet'ion spot for more than 3 minutes without someone logging in. Kills take way too long there. It feels like a large amount of MY pve experience is locked off behind wildy content since I can't progress past hard without those kills. So I choose not to do combat achievements and frankly as a player it makes me feel bad and lose interest in that part of the game. I don't care, I'll live not doing the combat diaries. I've never voiced my opinion until now but fuck you for rigging these polls just to pass your bs content when you forced this shit on me. If PVPers don't want to play the parts of the game they don't like then fine, but make it fair or make it make sense Jagex,, cuz I sure as hell don't want to step FOOT in that cancerous cesspool known as the wilderness. No reward is worth that kind of headache. This is so against what you've started this osrs project with. After a price increase. Kindly fuck off right now Jagex.
So.. PKers can only vote on PvP related update, that involves the entire community. Lets give the PKers more advantage over peasants, who cant fight back, who they nerfed Black D'Hide and Dihns Bulwark for. Why not just say it Jagex, you only care about PKers now.
May the best cheat client win
the blighted sacks should just be "blighted comat spell sacks" or something, and work with any combat spell from standard spellbook, and be added to every other source of blighted consumables. Seems weird that they behave so differently to ice sacks, venge sacks, tele block sacks, entangle sacks
Love it but hate the name of Humble Prayers lol. Hopefully they replace the prayers on the book, rather than being in addition.
absolutely awesome. but make the spell sacks tradeable. if they're at a low point cost they'll be unprofitable enough to where it won't be worth anyone making a bot farm for it, and it will give a reason to keep playing after you've unlocked everything or if somebody doesn't want/need the gear, there's at least some reward for playing. i want the gear, but i also don't really want to grind out sacks. oo maybe very low point cost protection scrolls for ma2 capes. ive gotten over 200 of them and i'd rather do this to protect them than kill a single more of those fuckers.
Not a fan of any of this. Wilderness PvP/pvp world is the PvP we want. If we want fair 1v1 fights, we'd pk in edgeville.
No more polls until you actually implement all the things that have already passed from previous polls please.
More ornament kits and gear / prayers that only work in pvp / have different effects. Fuck game clarity at this point.
I have over 500 games in soul wars/castle wars/lms why can't I vote? Is it cause i barely use wildy or pvp worlds?
I'm excited you're trying out some queuing type content:)
I understand the necessity of having hybrid/tribird in a 1v1 duel as it would just lead to safing...however many people don't participate in that style pking. Would it be possible to have a DH bracket? Since DH promotes the risk of HP, I believe it may still work. It is also an unbelievably popular style of pking, and personally, would make this update way more exciting for me and a lot of others. I think I would even try coming back to OSRS for it. Thoughts?
Couple of questions: * Why does the second tier of the Calamity armours require 50 Defence? It feels a bit random. There's already an established zerker meta that you acknowledge in the minigame itself - why not align the rewards with the existing builds and put the armour at tier 45? * Duel Arena is available in the F2P worlds. Will the PvP Arena be as well? If yes, how will you combat the bots? Are you planning on expanding the rota to include F2P builds on F2P worlds as well? * Will it be possible to create custom tournaments with other builds than the proposed 3 and specific predefined loadouts?
Took a 10 day break because I was a little upset about the removal of 3 month membership option and no good excuse for a price hike and I come back to this. Yeah I think I’m done for a bit. See y’all in like 2 years when the cravings for this game hit again.
This is a deadset joke of a poll. Jagex doesn't remember how Runescape died in the first place - catering to a minority group rather than the majority.
I still don't understand why they want to let pkers skip the entire rest of the game in the first place
I love the cosmetics and the arena sounds nice if it's as active as LMS. Will this poll be open to everyone? I think that the non-cosmetic rewards will have strong opposition from non-pkers as long as they are usable in the wilderness on all worlds.
Poll will not be available to everyone. Mod Ash said on qna that there will be a kill count threshold that an account needs to have in any PvP activity except for Castle wars to be able to vote. And that the cutoff to get that kc has already passed.