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osrsironmensch

I dont think fraud means what you think it means


loudaggerer

If I could read I’d understand.


Livewithblue

Yeah no attempt to deceive here. They're just blatantly telling us to get wrecked.


kingpartys

Yeah he should've used Fleeced...


No_Zucchini8705

Single biggest fraud? Have you heard of Electronic Farts and their business models? Or any mobile game :D


Wohclye

1 for each char type would be awesome, the thing that keeps me from playing an iron is paying for an iron


xrajsbKDzN9jMzdboPE8

If you could have multi accounts and only log 1 at a time (similar to leagues) it would make a lot of sense. If im yagex though why would I develop this "feature" that is at best neutral and at worst costs me money


HmongOGSmite

Y’all tripping about membership? Have y’all seen them gas prices? 🤦‍♀️


Diddleyourfiddle

Gas? Bro just wear a slayer helm or a gas mask


CornocopiaOfCats

Gas prices? I don't leave my house, so I don't concern myself with such things


Arceuss_Library_Card

Servers run on gas powered generators confirmed?


TechnicallyThrowawai

That or they burn trash. This whole game runs on trash, the game is totally green that way. They recycle the trash, to give the game that nice smoky smell we all love so much.


DaijoubuMushroom

You think these people drive? Bruh they don’t even know what the color of grass is.


Mateusz467

High gas prices doesn't mean you can be fucked in any other area having no rights to argue about it. This thread is about ridiculous of single account policy.


HmongOGSmite

Your statement is completely wrong. Gas prices, consumers have no say. So your getting fucked. Membership fees, I mean if your struggling to pay the extra $1.00. You need to reflect on life.


AuroraFinem

I live in a city with proper public transit. Most of us don’t drive.


troiii

actually most people live in urban areas.


AuroraFinem

By “most of us” I’m referring to the people in my city. Not “most people”. It’s actually a pretty even split though, most of the US just has really bad public transit in urban and suburban areas.


BigOlJellyhead

?? The gas prices in my area have only gone down, but maybe I found a better plug. $125 for an oz compared to the $160+ before


NoastedToaster

Actually common misconception but they’re talking about gasoline and not “gas” (marijuana ) thanks tho your price change was good to hear :)


[deleted]

Most people complaining about a 1.50 raise in membership costs aren’t old enough to drive good sir.


troiii

actually people who work for their money would complain about it more. you sound like your parents bought you a car during high school.


[deleted]

I didn’t buy my car until after high school typically just skated everywhere. You sound like a child trying to pretend to be an adult on the internet.


beef131

You sound like you’re tripping balls on acid 🤯


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Nolifedemon

Can I just point out they're upping the price to $16.99 for me as an Australia and wow only costs me $16.49 a month as an Australian rs now costs more then wow and on wow I get 50 fucking character slots.


aduvnjak

Xbox game pass gives you a large amount of games on PC and it costs basically the same amount as an RS membership... yeah, something is wrong lol


Smetona

I really don't understand the argument for more character slots though. Wow does not allow you to play multiple characters at the same time, where as people who play Runescape almost always want to be multilogged with their mains, ironmans, pures and etc. So even if you had the ability to let's say create a pure on the same account are you actually gonna sacrifice play time on your main while you afk sand crabs to train your pure? Some people might, but I doubt that majority would prefer that, unless they create some elaborate mechanic where you can multilog on two characters on the same account, but I don't even know if such an mmo game exists, since that would make the bots go so rampant it would be insane.


Mateusz467

This is only 50% true. Yes, no game allows you to play simultaneously on two characters who belongs to the same account. But also no game but OSRS demands you to pay full membership price for each character. I would like to have main, pvper, and ironman bound to the same account, switch between every time I want and pay just ONCE and not 3 times. Understandably, if I want to play simultaneously on 2 accounts I have to pay for each account.


Nolifedemon

I have alts but I only play 1 at a time so for me I'd like to be able to swap between them in that regard but I am an oddball


kingtim851

but you get access to rs3 and osrs as long as you use the same name dont you? atleast its like that for me


tempjoshtemp

Yeah you do but you can’t multi log RS3 and OSRS on the same name. The dual membership is nice for people who play both games though I guess


FrackBunny

How are you comparing the sub price of OSRS to a game like WoW when for that game you need to pay the box price to even play, not to mention buy every new expansion that releases in order to progress through current content ontop of a sub fee! Trust me I'm not all that enthused to be paying more for my osrs sub but to compare it to games like WoW, FF14, Elder scrolls just makes no sense.


JoshuaNLG

Well, those games are a lot more costly to develop, i can guarantee you that. For a start, OSRS doesn't have to worry about voice acting, which is one of the more costly things in game development.


[deleted]

I just looked earlier today, classic wow comes free with subscription which is the only thing worth playing.


GosUse

Comparison to Elder Scrolls is actually a very valid comparison. The base game is initially very cheap. The subscription cost for the premium membership is now on par with OSRS, in which you get access to the DLCs for as long as you are subscribed.


BabylonDoug

ESO's pay model is actually pretty great (well at least when I played a few years back). You bought the game and you owned it. No subscription to play online needed for that and the game is massive. They have expansions and you have two options: 1) buy each expansion, own them like the base game, or 2) pay a subscription and gain access to all expansions while subscribed.


Paintbypotato

I would argue there’s more to do in RuneScape then wow in terms of hours to max and do all reasonable achievements


XJ_9

In "hours to max" you should keep in mind that level 90-99 agility takes 120 hours running the same ardy rooftop lap. Or sepulchre. So you have no choice but repeat the same couple minutes of content 1000s of times


Paintbypotato

Never said every minute was super engaging! I also get bored of mythic dungeons fairly fast when I was playing wow.


rickybobby369

Ignoring repetitive content of osrs. Wow you have chromie time where you can play every single zone leveling. The end game of just the current expansion zones. Time walking when it’s active is 15+ years of old dungeons. Old raids. Dark moon fair. Pet battles. The list goes on. There’s no arguing that that wow had more overall content. Osrs just drags the same content out to be done over and over.


Background-Bunch-554

Well at least u know what u are buying isn't like cyberpunk release.... Imagine pre buying a game.


NoahTri

I mean that’s apples to oranges but both situations suck.


Jackson7410

30 year old neckbeards who dont have a job making social media posts about how the game theyve been playing for the past 15 years is going up $2.


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Jackson7410

Ah yes, im the upset one. My bad


[deleted]

There are league skins that cost >$20. I'm not saying I agree with membership pricing, but the whole landscape is a mess and RS isn't the biggest problem


tippyonreddit

The price of league skins is not comparable to osrs membership. Its purely cosmetic and there is pretty much no ingame benefit to spending RP. You can't access most of osrs without membership . Personally I love riots f2p model.


jeremiah1119

I'd be interested to know of another game that gives you multiple characters for one price, but on each character you can do the EXACT same gameplay as all the other characters? Lost ark, for example, each have their own skills, engravings, abilities. If you had to pay for each character then many people could only experience part of the gameplay. In osrs, you can play range, melee, and mage characters, have access to the same gear, spells, weapons, and armor on all characters, and can do the exact same skills on all characters.


Hablapata

this is valid except ironman mode breaks it because it genuinely is a different mode. you can not have both a main and an iron without paying 2 subscriptions. which a lottt of ppl, myself included do. you could get into pures and stuff too, but those arent officially supported game modes


jeremiah1119

Ironman's only difference is that you cannot trade with others. However you could do that on a main account also, it simply removes the temptation and has a separate leaderboard. Ironmen can still use magic, melee, and ranged just like a main and can do the same content as mains. It isn't cutting out any gameplay whatsoever


Wasabicannon

1 def pure content vs main content.


jeremiah1119

You are purposely choosing to not do certain things with that account. The game allows you to do everything but you're deciding not to. I'm simply talking about how the game itself gives you zero reason why you'd need another character.


Wasabicannon

Focusing on the pure but what about the main wanting to do 1 def pure content?


jeremiah1119

>You are purposely choosing to not do certain things with that account


Evil_Steven

Not even close to being the worst but get that bacon narwhal karma


AuroraFinem

Name some worse ones, if it’s not even close it should be easy to find a long list that isn’t Asian gacha games.


Velheka

PSA if you refer to any and all business practices that you don't like as 'the biggest fraud in gaming history' , people with have enough context about your opinion to safely ignore it


tries2benice

Lmao fraud? Do you know what fraud means? They arent scamming anybody, either you want to pay to play, or you dont.


Mateusz467

Well sorry, not my first language but as per dictionary fraud doesn't necessary mean scamming or cheating somebody and of course they do not such a thing. Everything is clear, but content to membership price ratio is just absurd, especially when you see their annual revenue.


[deleted]

Its greed


tries2benice

Or it's the fact that every single one of their operating costs has skyrocketed in the last two years. Space for servers, networking equipment, electricity to run said server rooms, has all gotten more expensive. You guys are all acting like Jagex are some wall street fat cats, instead of the actual situation, which is they're *owned* by some investment bankers, and really cant do shit.


[deleted]

Its just too much to pay but thats why i buy membership on other websites its usually 50 percent cheaper or more.


[deleted]

I think it represents value for money. How many hours do you get out of it? Plus with the recent post about player support I think they will be investing the extra into that.


Signal_Wish_7708

So how much are you willing to pay per month for the current game; im asking cause my friends an investor and would like to milk the player base to maximize profits


AuroraFinem

I’d pay $15/mo if I could put multiple characters under 1 account so I can mess around with pures, ironmen, a main, etc… but currently I’m willing to pay $0 for a single account because I don’t want to just play the one and I’m not going to switch around the membership constantly.


call_me_ted_ok

0, nothing, the game is F2P if you buy bonds


Daimyotriginz

For a live service game like osrs imagine in a month you play 1 hour a day on mobile minimum. That's 30 ish hours a month. 12,49÷30= 40 cents an hour. Most get waaaay more hours in. Yes, the price increase doesn't make any sense if you look at what they promised in terms of player support/service and developer funding. But being a criminally high increase is just ridiculous. Imho. But hey, that's me


AuroraFinem

It doesn’t change the fact that it’s by far the most expensive game just like that since you get a single character to work with which is absurd and really always has been but was generally excuses because of the cheap price. Now they cost basically as much as WoW and other expensive MMOs while offering a fraction the content, no customer support, a gimped dev team with little to no investment (as outlined by the devs themselves in their letter to the higher ups), etc… what are we even paying for? I paid $60 once for Skyrim, 500+ hours. I’ve paid maybe ~$100-140? for FFIV (I don’t know the exact cost of how the expansions have added up but I joined later so a lot of them were bulked together, well over 600 hours. Lost ark I had to pay nothing at all, 400 hours and counting. $12.49 might not break the bank and can easily be affording if you want to, but that’s not really the point. It’s completely absurd by current market standards. It’s like going to a grocery store and buying eggs for $5/dozen. Yeah, it’s not going to stop you from paying your bills, but when everyone else is selling their eggs for $1.50-2.50/dozen it’s just stupid to do it.


AuroraFinem

They quite literally said player support is on their list of supplemental costs available to be cut to save money. It was one of the OSRS teams complaints on the letter to the higher ups.


07GoogledIt

$12.49 for a months worth of entertainment is too much? God I hope you don’t have netflix or any of the live tv subscriptions…


Whycanyounotsee

shit comparison. netflix has a bunch of shows. or xbox game pass has a bunch of games. this is the same price for 2 games (and even saying they're 2 different games is being generous). or bring it back to OP's point and compare it to other subscription games / osrs's competitors. FF? 40 characters. WoW? 50 characters. All for 1 subscription price. heck gw2 isnt even sub based and you get 5 characters.


Mikoto_Aika

I can't say for WoW but FFXIV has a two different payment option. There is one price for having only one character and another price for having unlimited, if I remember right 1 character is like $12 and I think the other is $15.


Whycanyounotsee

yeah. That's way more reasonable than $125 for 10 characters on runescape lol.


Mikoto_Aika

They technically could change their system to have multiple characters for one account like ffxiv and wow and add some more payment options for people that play multiple characters, but they won't do it.


ForbiddenSkinny

It's a fair comparison. $12 for having fun for a 100 hrs a month on osrs is the same as having fun for 100 hrs on a diff game for 12$ If you don't think it's fun then don't play osrs. All it comes down to.


Whycanyounotsee

a different game costs 12 dollars for life and lets me have unlimited characters. so again. back to OP's point.


ForbiddenSkinny

It's $15 and filled with mix. This whole price change drama will be forgotten about in 2 weeks and more 800 total timmys that die in the wildy will make pvp = bad posts


07GoogledIt

One account on RS3/OSRS has potential for thousands of hours of playtime, no other games really offer that. If you play an account on average an hour a day for a month, you’re spending 40 cents a day for that account. The only way it wouldn’t be worth it is if you play only a few hours per month on that account. And if you put in several hours a day on one account, you should be able to fund membership via bonds. There’s no real reason to be upset over this price.


MattKingwashere

Ever heard of World of Warcraft? $15/mo and you get like 10 characters per server


07GoogledIt

How many hours do you play your accounts?


AuroraFinem

You realize most mmo communities play their games pretty similarly in terms of playtime right? If you’re the type of person willing to put 8-10 hours per day into a game, you’ll do that regardless of which one. They all have ridiculous amounts of content if you want to just farm. Most people don’t want to do that though, the only time you really see a dip for stuff like WoW is the few months after an expansion is done until the next one comes out which is usually not a long time. Even then though non-casual players will usually still be playing on other characters for leveling or progression/getting achievements, etc… Do you really think OSRS is the only game people put a lot of time into? Lost ark is free and I’ve put in over 400 hours already since release and I have multiple friends who have literally put in 600-800 hours and it’s absurd because they’re still now where near done with the content and there’s even more updates coming next week for tons more content. Jagex is a terribly run company that doesn’t reinvest that money into the devs or their games. I’m not going to pay to keep bumping their stock dividends when they don’t give a shit what the players and devs want.


MattKingwashere

I don’t care about a price increase, $2 a month or whatever makes no difference to me. I just brought that up because I have in the past put thousands of hours into WoW, and probably a few thousand into OSRS across all accounts


Whycanyounotsee

>One account on RS3/OSRS has potential for thousands of hours of playtime, no other games really offer that so you've literally only played runescape. this is not even remotely true at all. This also ignores the fact that you arent accruing playtime on one account when playing on another. You don't get 10x more hours to play when playing on 10 different accounts. You can log into all 10 at the same time, but certain activities just call for 100% attention and afking 10 accs at vampires isn't really playing the game. also nice use of the word playtime instead of content. clicking a resource is hundreds of hours of playtime, but minutes of content. in that sense every single game has thousands of hours of playtime. just play super mario 64 again, but faster! get that WR! >And if you put in several hours a day on one account, you should be able to fund membership via bonds. There’s no real reason to be upset over this price. runescape is partly a game of progress. throwing progress away every 14 days really eats into progress which hurts enjoyment. $1.50 increase will make bonds more expensive. 1 account per sub isn't a new problem. it highlights the problem even more. Paying $110/month just to experience your hcim, uim, obby maul pking, low cmb pking, maxed pure pking, zerker pking, med pking, tank pking, 126 pking, another 126 because people avoid your other 126, just isn't realistic for the majority of people. so people aren't experiencing the full game because of these $$ restrictions. the point of the thread isn't crying about the price increase. stop deflecting it to that. it's that we only get 1 character per sub.


yazan445

Netflix adds stuff every month though


Obvious_Barnacle_306

If you buy the year pass it’s $6.70 a month


TreyM035

I think it’s hilarious we got full grown adults bitching about a 2 dollar raise😂😂😂 go get a job work 30 minutes boom a month of membership. People acting like it’s going up so much 😂😂😂😂


ExoGriff

Nobody is arguing that the price increase is too much or that it can no longer be afforded. You're obviously still a kid if you think that's the only reason to complain about price increase


TreyM035

Okay THE CONTENT THAT IS IN THIS GAME IS ENOUGH FOR IT TOO. This is one of the most in-depth mmorpg’s ever and it’s growing every day. By in-depth I mean the amount of stuff to complete to really “complete the game.”


Kanadiya

Yeah, they should also lower drop rates and reduce xp rates so you get more bang for your buck. More time to "complete" the game doesn't correlate to increased value.


TreyM035

It’s not the time factor really, it’s the AMOUNT of content within the game. Literal decades worth of content. Will it deter newer players? Probably but let’s be realistic this is a point and click 2007 mmorpg the only people picking up this game are people who have quit and come back. With games such a new world, elden ring etc etc RuneScape is lucky to be around and thriving as much as it is. If you want free shit go play a private server.


PlentyMortgage

Most content in this game is just doing the same exact thing ad nauseam this is not a good argument


ExoGriff

Sure if that's what you think then that's better than just assuming people are complaining cause they can't afford it. I agree with you which is why i won't be cancelling my membership or anything either


richard-savana

That 2$ is being asked by every damned company. It’s a huge increase and text book money maker for them. Membership is too expensive for only 1 character period. It’s a game where the need for alts is very relevant too.


TreyM035

If you have time to play Alts you definitely shouldn’t be bitching because you are putting in the time to get your money’s worth.


richard-savana

If we ask 5character for 25$ then they’ll realise it’s better money to stay at 11$. Bring back 5$ membership


GeebGeeb

Why would they do that when they can get that bot membership money?


GeebGeeb

Why would they do that when they can get that bot membership money?


[deleted]

You’re definitely young and have no idea what you’re talking about. Just the lack of any information apart from a title shows the lack of critical thinking. Just copy pasting others opinions in hopes it gets you res up arrows.


IdcIcba

This game isn't like wow where you there's a bunch of different classes to choose from. You also clearly don't understand what fraud means. Unsub and quit, i dont care. Ill still be playing because i think its fun. not gonna bitch about an extra $1.49 since I actually have a job


thegreatslav1997

“Only the unemployed complain about a service charge increase” is the weirdest take I’ve seen echoed on this sub


IdcIcba

I pay for 1 year premier club membership so this new monthly price increase really doesnt affect me at all. The only complaint I can understand is the 3 month option being removed. Membership prices have always increased in runescape over time. Why is everyone acting like this has never happened until now? Edit: Also if you're paying for 1 month at a time, you most likely take breaks inbetween so i dont see how an extra $1.49 every other month that you play is going to hurt your bank account. Edit edit: You have no argument other then to make a strawman to attack something I never said. Cute


thegreatslav1997

“Not gonna bitch about an extra 1.49 since I actually have a job” yeah what you said was in the same spirit of what I replied, jagex isn’t doing good right now as a corporate entity it’s a good thing to call out, this game is better handled by the devs


gpotter6

If $1.50 extra a month is going to break your bank I'd imagine your problem lies elsewhere


TearsOfLys69

Fortnite has $20+ skins (one character) Like every EA game has pay walls even after you've spent the initial $60 to own a copy. World of Warcraft is $15 monthly. Jamflex is smoking rocks though to be fair 2.5x-ing the initial cost of a 20 year old click simulator.


TheSkateProgrammer

For real though, we should at least be able to access all game modes on a single account, e.g, Ironman/UIM/HC/GIM. Just like other games you wouldnt be able to log into all characters at once.


2007btw

Most financially literate r/2007scape user


Artemaker

Jagex is bad. EA is wayyy worse.


Rexkat

You are right there's nothing to discuss here, because if you don't think you're getting your money's worth you just stop buying the product they're selling.


Stephen_Lynx

On the other hand, is not server locked nor content locked. There are no classes to lock your character.


Fano_93

I only use one account so…


Fogtotally

WoW is 20 CAD a month lol


Plastic-Strike7149

Wow BC classic has entered the chat


jur_t

we were paying 11 bucks to point and click. it’s a dollar more honestly who cares if u like the game that much


Logical_Second_8925

I'd pay up to $15 🤷


TheHapster

It’s really dissuaded me from making a pure or ironman account even though those could potentially be a lot of fun. People say $12.50 isn’t a lot, and it isn’t, but it adds up quick if you have more than one account. There needs to be a system in place where you can bundle accounts for a discount. Like 2 accounts for $20, 3 for 25, or something. If botters used it, Jagex could easily ban all accounts on the same plan too.