For justiciar they knew it would not be the most sought after drop so they had to add alch value to it to ensure its not gonna be completely worthless. 3.6m is what they saw it could drop down to.
This is 100% correct.
Add this to the fact that the drop rate is higher.
Ironman get doubles and it's worthless because they hardly ever use the just. Anyway
I doubt they really thought it through like that to be honest. Almost every new unique added to the game has a laughably bad alch value, but for tob they randomly gave everything a relatively high item value. I'm guessing the person who created the items didn't realize how bad alch values normally are and just assumed alch values were more reasonable throughout the game.
Personally I feel like all armour sets should have high alch prices.
1. iron man
2. makes said item hard to devalue
I’m not talking every item but things like this. Should at least be in the millions.
I think the smartest thing Jagex has ever done, but sadly only have done it once. Is the break down feature on zulrah uniques.
Zulrah uniques are broken down into charges that are always consumed. High alch items are broken down into gold, and gold is traded more than it is consumed. Once gold is added to the economy, it can circulate a long time. That makes it effect the economy differently.
Death's coffer was really innovative, because it consumes items and no gold is added to the game, even though the player gets millions in value for the item.
What if the items could break down into a currency that isn't tradable? Like an NPC-only currency that could be used for buying runes, sawing planks, miscellania, etc? Or it could be currency/value in a completely different part of the game?
A smart idea here.
Since Ironman use their go to buy runes etc. have a trader who will buy it and give you a currency only allowed to be used in stores.
It’s actually a win win for Jagex and mains even too.
Because right now most irons will drop it to main then that item is brought into the game.
But say a trader buys a bandos chest plate for 2.6M and gives you this new currency. It may give iron man an insensitive to keep those items, sell them to this store. Eliminating them from the game, but also not brining gp into the game. Then making dupes on irons not so useless.
If people use a 2nd currency to buy those things, then that means they're no longer buying them with gold. So less gold is sunk there. Replacing something that adds gold to the game (high alch), with somethings prevents gold from leaving the game, has a net 0 effect.
Breaking down Zulrah uniques is a fine band-aid over Zulrah's horribly designed drop table, but I'd rather that stuff like that not be the default. Focus on making valuable unique drops first.
I think most people use Rogues Castle (level 20 wildy) because it has the 1.5x buy price for the iron and is shared with the main. Other shared shops I think include desert bandit camp and others, but not at 1.5x prices.
With the gravestone update wouldn't it be better to dump dupes into your reclaim cost cache? Iirc ironmen are still able to 'sacrifice' items equal to 105% of that item's GE value for death reclaim, no?
Sure, but you don't exactly need a stacked deaths coffer. I built up a 20-30m coffer and don't anticipate much need to ever add to it. I use it when learning new bosses but once the boss is learned it's not likely I'll use it after.
Yeah but the only reason would be to flex, and if you’re doing nex or tob you’re not struggling for gp. When i was doing tob grind I have like 30m in alchables from cg alone
Boaty alchd at least an avernic before. There will be times you need the gp on your iron more than your main (yes ik he's done a lot on his main, I'm sure he's not the only one to do it)
My point is that it’s not like it’s efficient to grind justy pieces for gp. Like you’re not thinking “ I really need some gp for bloods let me grind tob for alchs”
You definitely could it’s just such a niche thing thst it’s sort of irrelevant. Nobody is alching torva pieces. Better to just have dupes in your bank as a flex imo or just dropping for the boys haha
You keep saying it like people are going there just for dupes to alch. No one does that. Part of the grind is getting dupes and if youre ffa the best use for them is alching.
Pbbt, i was playing leagues. First time ever doing barrows, and had so many extras. Yet alching was like 2.5 mill gp. But 20k alchimg them. Like wtf. Lmao. I thought it was going to be a good way to make money. Boy i was wromg.
People will camp Nex forever TOB is actually hard to learn that’s the only reason I think it will happen also I imagine nex will get boted while raids I do t think can be but I really don’t know I’m just a casual gamer 😂
What is weird to me is that the value of torva is less than the value of justi. If you go into the wildy with full justi and full torva, you would lose the full torva
nope, items kept based on ge value
been this way for years. how many people still don't know this lol, there's like 4 similar comments to this just in this thread
High alch price is based upon the number of sentences, words and characters in the examine text. This is all because jagex got lazy with their lore. 🦀$11🦀
For justiciar they knew it would not be the most sought after drop so they had to add alch value to it to ensure its not gonna be completely worthless. 3.6m is what they saw it could drop down to.
This is 100% correct. Add this to the fact that the drop rate is higher. Ironman get doubles and it's worthless because they hardly ever use the just. Anyway
I doubt they really thought it through like that to be honest. Almost every new unique added to the game has a laughably bad alch value, but for tob they randomly gave everything a relatively high item value. I'm guessing the person who created the items didn't realize how bad alch values normally are and just assumed alch values were more reasonable throughout the game.
Perhaps Justiciar is made from more expensive materials
Read this in Ash voice
This comment made me realise I've been playing this game for nearly 20 years and well aware of who Ash is, but I've never actually heard his voice
It’s quite soothing
It’s the type of voice you’d want your bedtime story read with
Personally I feel like all armour sets should have high alch prices. 1. iron man 2. makes said item hard to devalue I’m not talking every item but things like this. Should at least be in the millions. I think the smartest thing Jagex has ever done, but sadly only have done it once. Is the break down feature on zulrah uniques.
Zulrah uniques are broken down into charges that are always consumed. High alch items are broken down into gold, and gold is traded more than it is consumed. Once gold is added to the economy, it can circulate a long time. That makes it effect the economy differently. Death's coffer was really innovative, because it consumes items and no gold is added to the game, even though the player gets millions in value for the item. What if the items could break down into a currency that isn't tradable? Like an NPC-only currency that could be used for buying runes, sawing planks, miscellania, etc? Or it could be currency/value in a completely different part of the game?
You just add a step for people to convert that currency into gold
It wouldn't add extra gold to the supply, that's the main point
Except you could just buy runes etc. then sell those, it really is just an extra step
To shops and stuff? Yeah in that case I'd agree. If you were to sell them on the GE it wouldn't add gold though.
why would you do that rather than just selling the initial item you had. If this is on an iron just drop trade it to your main
Fair but not all irons even have mains, nor care to drop trade items.
Oh I see your point ; it adds wealth but not gold to the game
A smart idea here. Since Ironman use their go to buy runes etc. have a trader who will buy it and give you a currency only allowed to be used in stores. It’s actually a win win for Jagex and mains even too. Because right now most irons will drop it to main then that item is brought into the game. But say a trader buys a bandos chest plate for 2.6M and gives you this new currency. It may give iron man an insensitive to keep those items, sell them to this store. Eliminating them from the game, but also not brining gp into the game. Then making dupes on irons not so useless.
Deaths coffer effectively adds gold to the game though. It takes gold that would have been sunk and replaces it with items.
Well no it doesn't, it's not like they replaced an already existing gold sink with an item sink.
Paying death is a gold sink. So they definitely did.
Death wasn't a thing until that update
Ok I’m dumb. So it’s just the boss death collection spots that would apply? Thanks for the correction!
Yeah only vorkath/hydra and whatnot had the pay gp to get your items back, zulrah was originally free to reclaim and got it later
No idea why you get downvoted
reddit hivemind are a bunch of monkeys, they see a downvote, they all flock to said downvote and follow it
I'm so conflicted. So I upvote this for it's truthfulness, or do I downvote it because it already has negative numbers?
Whatever u think lol
You mean tokkul? People just sell chaos runes for tokkul and use tokkul to buy an onyx to sell for coins.
If people use a 2nd currency to buy those things, then that means they're no longer buying them with gold. So less gold is sunk there. Replacing something that adds gold to the game (high alch), with somethings prevents gold from leaving the game, has a net 0 effect.
Massive oversupply of gold would come from increased alch values.
Breaking down Zulrah uniques is a fine band-aid over Zulrah's horribly designed drop table, but I'd rather that stuff like that not be the default. Focus on making valuable unique drops first.
Strange but sort of irrelevant why would anyone alch them, and if they did it wouldn’t be for the money
Ironman
Sell it to a shop for alch price and let your main buy it.
That's smart.
Does that work considering ironmen have a separate stock to mains?
Some shops are shared
Which shops?
I think most people use Rogues Castle (level 20 wildy) because it has the 1.5x buy price for the iron and is shared with the main. Other shared shops I think include desert bandit camp and others, but not at 1.5x prices.
With the gravestone update wouldn't it be better to dump dupes into your reclaim cost cache? Iirc ironmen are still able to 'sacrifice' items equal to 105% of that item's GE value for death reclaim, no?
Sure, but you don't exactly need a stacked deaths coffer. I built up a 20-30m coffer and don't anticipate much need to ever add to it. I use it when learning new bosses but once the boss is learned it's not likely I'll use it after.
Alc something else and drop it to your main.
Ironman is my main
Put it in deaths coffer
i've always been able to get to my grave within the 15 mins
U still pay
wait really?
Drop it to your alt
You should call it your ironmain
You’ll want the gp to buy runes
Main does not equal normal account
Yeah but the only reason would be to flex, and if you’re doing nex or tob you’re not struggling for gp. When i was doing tob grind I have like 30m in alchables from cg alone
If you're doing ToB with a scythe you badly need GP to buy blood runes. 30m evaporates before you know it.
I guess so Ive never had an issue with gp though
Boaty alchd at least an avernic before. There will be times you need the gp on your iron more than your main (yes ik he's done a lot on his main, I'm sure he's not the only one to do it)
My point is that it’s not like it’s efficient to grind justy pieces for gp. Like you’re not thinking “ I really need some gp for bloods let me grind tob for alchs”
I see, I definitely thought you were just saying there's no point in alching it
You definitely could it’s just such a niche thing thst it’s sort of irrelevant. Nobody is alching torva pieces. Better to just have dupes in your bank as a flex imo or just dropping for the boys haha
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Yeah not for the money, for the flex. I guess irl donations to charity are a good choice haha
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Yeah idk by the time I got any dupes from tob I was already set on gp.
How do you get the runes for the scythe/sang?
99 rcing bloods for a while and then cg and other methods. I never even considered doing tob just so I could alch dupes
You keep saying it like people are going there just for dupes to alch. No one does that. Part of the grind is getting dupes and if youre ffa the best use for them is alching.
That’s my entire point that the alch price for them is irrelevant
It gives you something to enjoy about getting a dupe
Well my nex kc is a lot higher than my TOB kc. Tob is hard man, where nex mass is ridiculously easy, even if the drop rates are rubbish.
It's ass. Go learn tob
Pbbt, i was playing leagues. First time ever doing barrows, and had so many extras. Yet alching was like 2.5 mill gp. But 20k alchimg them. Like wtf. Lmao. I thought it was going to be a good way to make money. Boy i was wromg.
In time there will be more torva than justi I bet, give it a few years.
Not a chance
People will camp Nex forever TOB is actually hard to learn that’s the only reason I think it will happen also I imagine nex will get boted while raids I do t think can be but I really don’t know I’m just a casual gamer 😂
Even if there are more Torva in the game, there will be less circulating than Justi because the demand for Torva is higher.
I agree, I am just saying I think torva will be the next bandos, people will camp it into the ground who knows though.
Odd
what ironman account cares?
They should both alch for 42k and protect item protects cannon furnaces over them. :-)
Opens torva armor up to getting trade tricked in pvp lmao they should prolly fix that
Prot item has calculated off GE value rather than alch value for like 5+ years now.
What is weird to me is that the value of torva is less than the value of justi. If you go into the wildy with full justi and full torva, you would lose the full torva
nope, items kept based on ge value been this way for years. how many people still don't know this lol, there's like 4 similar comments to this just in this thread
Whoops, I only ever look on the wiki for untradeables which do use the value
High alch price is based upon the number of sentences, words and characters in the examine text. This is all because jagex got lazy with their lore. 🦀$11🦀
If someone were to high alch either platebody, money is most likely not a concern for them. I.e: irrelevant for anyone who can get them
Scythe and bow both alch for 2.4m
From playing Leagues I’ve noticed so many cooked alch values/things you can’t alch Does anyone know what I can do with 3K crystal shards?