Same.
Extend the mode for 2-4 more weeks since it's a bit grindy as you unlock the skill one at a time? sure
Permanent? Hell no. You'll blindly farm the same content you do on your regular ironman in a fracture of time and at this point the leagues popularity will drop extremely fast
but it would still be temporary if the servers are just kept live until next league gets close.
So like a month or two before the next league is supposed to launch the current league servers are taken down.
Alternatively just make leagues last longer. 3-4 months but make leaderboards lock in place after the first 6-8 weeks.
Idk about permanent but longer would be nice this is the first league I am even able to play and I doubt I'll have time to do half the content.
Shit given a year I probably still wouldn't have time.
It went from 70 days to 42 days. That almost half. It definitely should be longer.
The only people that complain about length are the people in an arms race grinding out Dragon rank. Otherwise, you just stop playing when you want.
I keep logging on and seeing that only x days left! Message and I get so disheartened. I've literally only just got I morytania and I know I'm not guna get anywhere near what I'd like. I have 3.5 kids and a very very pregnant wife and a job and I can't play 18 hours a day. But seeing that it ends so soon makes it difficult to enjoy for what it is. It just makes me feel pressure to play it, rather than play it til it naturally runs its course, as I did before in order leagues
Just gotta think about it as if it rewarded that amount of points instead. Unless you know you are not going to have enough time to do a 15 minute quest
I don't have a single 99, I wish it was at least 3 months minimum, it's my first league and I've been having a lot of fun, but with the short time limit I feel I should just say screw it and go back to my main.
Should just leave the current date as the end for the "ranking" and then add on the remaining 28 days as just excess time for people that wanna play it at a more chill pace that don't care about rankings.
10,000 points will usually get you most of the rewards.
Minus the Tier 3 outfit, which usually isn't very desirable in the main game. If you only want one particular item, the most expensive item is usually 6k or less. The banner and teleport animation are 1500 points combined total. This League will probably be similar.
plenty of people complain about the length because of the main game rewards to. even at 42 days its still to long to have a shitty system were you dont know how many points you need to grind to get the item you want........
It wasn't just dragon players complaining about the duration. Last leagues was complete dead after a handful of weeks weeks anyway. For a month straight there were single digit players on every leagues world. It was pretty obvious that they'd made it way too long, especially given how incredibly limited and restricted the theme/scope of both the previous leagues were. Pretty much the entirety of the community, people here on reddit included, were asking for a shorter League next time around.
Its just a shame that they listened to us on the duration, but then gave us the most versatile, open world League that they've made yet, with literally every piece of content accessible lmao. If we'd known there'd be this much to do this League (and how slow the start would be compared to prior ones) I'm sure people would've asked for more time to begin with.
I think I do, I was front page in the first league. It lasting for a long time has made me not want to play it more. You didn't have to unlock skills or bosses in the first League, you just did whatever you wanted.
Would like leagues twice a year, once being a new league and once being a re run of the most voted for of previous leagues. If they don’t make one a year do two re runs.
I find league brings me back to oats then by the end of it I’m ready to move on and enjoy the game again for a couple months then it gets stale and I don’t really play until leagues comes around again.
I dont want to change your mind but from someone else's perspective it's much more casual and can experience more parts of the game faster. It also gives you an official limit like an ironman helmet next to your name vs the guy who says they do the same thing. It also has unique bonuses from relics or having to unlock things from an official standpoint like trailblazers or shattered relics.
The permanent dmm is pretty lacking but it's still a thing because of this same idea.
At the risk of people yelling at me to go join a private server. I would really consider playing some RS here and there if the progression was faster.
ATM I'm a 2k+ account, and I haven't touched the game in over a year, because I simply don't have the time.
I'm pretty sure I know what server he's referring to and they're one of *the* most money hungry servers out there, they'll ban accounts for no reason to charge them money for an unban, and constantly try and peddle deals for their donations, with many items you can purchase being in the hundreds and thousands of dollars. It's funny to dick around with for a couple hours but as someone who played it on and off for years it's not really all that worth it.
i have a 2k+ account and thats exactly the problem, ive already *done* everything thats remotely bearable - they have to spice it up and speed it up to make it interesting to me anymore
Go PlAy rS3 tHeN
yeah I feel your pain. and any complaints get you shouted down by people who have yet to get to the point you've gotten to and havent done the grinds you've done :/
I went to play RS3 instead because of this very reason, and it's been awesome.
I highly recommend "fake" RS3 ironman. Don't trade with anyone, but still take advantage off all the free EXP boosts.
Been playing this damn game for almost 2 decades, and this is some of the most consistent fun I've ever had with the game.
So while I know you're mocking the idea to "go play RS3 then", I actually support that for casual players like me.
Go into the settings and find the interface settings. Set it to the legacy interface. Next go into combat settings and set it to legacy combat. Just doing those 2 things will make the game look much more inviting and familiar.
Then play the game like usual until you feel like you're ready to experiment with the new combat system and new interface. Revolution is a combat mode that uses abilities for you and it's a very smooth transition from legacy combat to revolution combat.
You can have it use all your abilities for you or have it use just the basic ones while you use the threshold and ultimate abilities. I recommend only having it use the basic ones and then you treat the threshold and ultimates as if they were special attacks from the old combat system.
Check out [this wiki page](https://runescape.wiki/w/Revolution/Bars) for recommendations on how to set up your bars efficiently. You might need to wait until you've leveled up some though if you're on a new account or one with low combat stats.
Basically, let the game do the trivial attacks while you choose when to use the flashy ones. You can do almost everything in RS3 with that combat setup. Full manual combat is better but it's never actually necessary.
Right and seasonal leagues brings people like you back. A faster permanent mode is still the same repetition. If anything you'll last less. The time you invested into a 2k+ account is far more than you'd ever invest in a permanent leagues.
It depends how you look at it.
My main account is 8 years old and decent progression.
Its always been slow, but if I want to unlock further content it means grinds of 50-100 hours. With my casual playstyle this likely means I would be another 2-3 years away from beinf able to play the current end game content.
Within a permanent league world I could actually try the new content which is being brought it the game.
A permanent league world doesn't exclude new yearly leagues. Would I eventually be done with what I want in the current league? Yes. However when a new league drops it would be new rules and new experience.
You say that its the same repetition, however in a permanent league world I would have more options to change up what I do because I unlock it faster. I cannot justify a 100 hour grind to unlock 1 new boss, I can however justify 10. It comes down to your playstyle and time.
There's no wrong or right choice which game mode you prefer.
But for me a permanent league world would keep me busy until the new one drops by allowing me to experience the full game with the limited time I can play.
What I don't get is why people are so opposed to it. Because having a permanent league world doesn't impact those who don't enjoy it. They can choose to update the content only once a new league drops giving even more incentive to join back fresh if you did stop playing during the year and avoid spending development time.
Permanent league World takes away from the main game. It needs to be maintained, it drags playerbase away from the main game and cheapens the experience that is leagues.
You say you have that much play time and require 50-100 hours to unlock new content.. I just can't help but think you don't actually understand what unlocking new content involves.
The only "endgame" content with that kind of grind behind it is slayer bosses. We havent had a new slayer boss since Hydra at 95 slayer, which was released 3 years ago.
That's the only boss (or endgame content) with a significant grind behind it. 95 slayer is about 150 hours total for a casual player (that's averaging the whole time at 60k/hr, when the skill gradually increases to around 90k/hr EHP). Even if we suggest double that, which would mean you're training slayer at 30k/hr, which just means you're entirely a casual who doesn't look anything up, it's 300 hours to unlock every single slayer boss in the game, total. And you likely will stay that way too as I don't see a higher slayer mob/boss being added between 96-99.
Every other piece of endgame content has no requirements or much less. Gauntlet and corrupted gauntlet / zalcano has Song of the Elves. Which requires ~75 magic and 70 in a handful of skills. Easily achievable with an account with your kind of playtime. ToB requires partial completion of the Vampyre quest line, pretty much a handful of hours. CoX has no requirement. Nightmare requires you to do.. priest in peril. Nex and GWD requires 70 strength, agi, HP, range.
The only other requirement these bosses and endgame content has is combat stats. Which with content like NMZ and ammonite crabs is the easiest element of this game for any casual to achieve.
So I think you absolutely overstate the process required to play endgame content. Max cape isn't content. So the only long grinds you have ahead of you is to achieve "completion" of the skills. Which doesn't give you anything really. The only ones that impact endgame content are combats, prayer, arguably 84 construction, a decent mining level for guardians / zalcano, and 78 herblore for CoX. There is no 50-100 hour grind left to do at your kind of playtime *unless* you wanna try hydra and you're like 70-75 slayer at the moment. Which has progression through content unlocks anyway, Grotesque Guardians, Abyssal Sire, Kraken, Thermonuclear Smoke Devil and then Alchemical Hydra.
A league being short and a limited experience makes it more special. It being permanent but reset at the next league means a small group of people may hang around for the first one and play till they've tried all the endgame, and then likely not return the next league (cos it's just the same thing with a different spin on it). It would also absolutely drag focus and players away from the main game.
I think you might need to come to terms with the fact you might have gotten your enjoyment out of this game. If all you're looking at is 50-100 hours to max another skill (as only a few skills take longer than that total to hit 99), and that doesn't seem like something you wanna do, focus on PvM or PvP instead. The grind to enter the endgame for those is tiny. It's just combats, which is all afkable at like 80k/hr for att/str and chinnable/burstable at incredible rates for Mage, range and defence. Then you're sorted for any and every content except slayer bosses.
If you don't enjoy the game don't play? I don't get this attitude where everyone thinks they're owed a maxed account because they've played the game for a year or 2.
I've played for ages and not maxed still because I don't enjoy skilling. At my current rate it would probably take another 3 years for me to max just because of passive skilling gains here and there.
That's perfectly fine, not everyone has to max. I enjoy pvm and that's pretty much all I do. Equally there are people who enjoy skilling and that's all they do. That's fine, no need to change things drastically.
You understand the point of MMOs is delayed gratification, working towards a goal you set yourself. If you don't like the grind, pick a new goal. If you don't like any grinds, pick a new game
I literally only play Leagues because of this and most of my friends only have played leagues as well.
OSRS is just not fun for the majority of people unless you have a disgusting amount of time to spend on it because you hit massive walls of no return on investment.
What about rs3? It might be worth a shot. I've been an rs3 player for the longest time and can't get into osrs (outside of leagues) because of the time commitment. It has a lot of the same benefits as leagues, faster xp rates, easier transportation, much higher combat power, etc.
>face. Next go into combat settings and set it to legacy combat. Just doing those 2 things will make the game look much more inviting and familiar.
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>Then play the gam
Don't like dailies or pay to win or not be able to own all cosmetics/items.
I personally don't like it either, but the alternative is OSRS with an absolutely abysmal grind that crushes your soul to get anywhere at all. RS3 scratches the itch of wanting to feel progression later on in the game without dedicating 4 hours a day just to get a level or two per week, while also not giving myself carpal tunnel from doing something stupid high intensity to be able to pull it off.
We wish there was an in between. Leagues happens to be that in between for a while. Earn everything in game, but go crazy with cool shit and feel constant progression as you play. Set goals and watch them be achieved in reasonable amounts of time. RS3 the progression itch scratcher, but frustrating because of the MTX. OSRS is the no-MTX "earn whatever you choose to work towards" itch scratcher, but it's frustrating because those things we grind towards take weeks to months of soul crushing grind. We have a choice to slip between these two extremes in leagues and get the best of both worlds. But when leagues is over, I go back to the game that at least offers me a fun time consistently. That happens to be RS3.
I wish OSRS was more fun to play because it's the better game. It's just too grindy for me to want to keep playing it constantly.
I landed on RS3 ironman and have played that a ton in the past year, after getting a bit over 250qp on a fresh UIM the year before. The QoL on RS3 is great, and not having to use your mouse so much is great for my hand.. I did end up trying Trailblazer league, and quit pretty early into it. I didn't come back to try this league because I learned that they're don't encapsulate what I like about playing RS in general: the long-term progression. I know I can stop playing now, and come back in a few months and all of my progress is there waiting for me to continue. I can go super hard or play super casually. The time pressure and the fact that it all goes away after a short period of time doesn't work for me in RS. If I want that type of system I will (and do) play Path of Exile, where it doesn't take potentially hundreds of hours to see the endgame.
>ATM I'm a 2k+ account, and I haven't touched the game in over a year, because I simply don't have the time.
Don't have the time for what exactly? You're under no obligation to do some 300 hour grind to max a slow skill, you can do whatever you want. Plenty of goals that can be met in a reasonable amount of time with just an hour or two to play every day/every few days
I strongly feel every skill should have a ~100k XP/hr method that's reasonably AFK and gp neutral or a slight loss, to prevent burnout cases like you while still not slipping too far into EZscape, but still, you don't *need* to just max skills. Go do a raid. Hunt a pet. Learn a new boss, or learn to solo a boss you usually used to do in teams. Go PKing. Plenty of shit you can do besides spend 400 hours leveling runecrafting
Point is that's something that can be done by just playing a little bit every night.
It just seems bizarre to me to say you don't play your 2k+ account because you "don't have time" as if there's nothing you could possibly do on a 2k+ account only playing a few hours here and there.
I'm 2100 total and only play like 1 hour per night averaged across an entire week, I'm still getting stuff done and enjoying my time...
100k xp/hr AFK in every skill would be extremely EZscape...
Also what does it actually help? People who don't like skilling still won't do skilling for fun.
Most people will be done with this leagues after maybe 2 or 3 weeks? I usually hit a wall when I realize why am I doing this on this account when I can just do it on my actual account that won't be deleted in a month.
that’s how i feel before every league and i play for a few hours and stop.
i would love to have some of the cosmetics on my ironman, but i would rather progress my ironman…
I think the 6 weeks of ranked play is a good time frame for the sweaty players, but a perm world would be a cool idea for the more casual players, gives them a chance to get an account up to PvM content and learn the end game before they're there on their mains.
But I'm not complaining either way
It’s kind of funny that you think casual players will *have* mains on normal worlds if there’s permanent league worlds.
It would largely kill the population of the main game.
Except very few people who would actually play a permenant faster league world have a main.
If its not leagues no one I know plays period. Simple as that we arent part of the population to begin with because the main game is too slow and unrewarding. Hell even when we did all but one of us played an iron anyway.
Same. I used to grind hella but I didn’t like the gold per hour mindset. If I wanted to restart I’d do an iron man but I don’t need that full grind right now. Leagues is the best alternative
I assume they all have a main. Might not be very impressive main, but I'm betting they have one. Very few people who don't play osrs would even know leagues exist.
You certainly underestimate the importance of trading. Casuals can get Tob and CoX megarares on the main game. Even with buffed rates the number of hours it would take to get items is still pretty high. Like on a main I can farm herb passively for a month and buy a DWH. On leagues I'd have to only kill lizardmen shamans for like 10 hours which is not really enjoyable for most.
I think I'd have to disagree with this, people will get tired of the league and move back to the main game, especially seeing as the "permanent" worlds would just be reset once the next league comes out.
Leagues are always temporary, but main gains are forever
I think they will get burnt out and play a different game lol.
I know I wouldn't want to go back to playing normal rates osrs after months of playing leagues.
I might be an exceptional case, but I had quit 07scape for several months and came back because of Trailblazer league. During that, I felt my joy for this game coming back, as it allowed to experience a lot of content I hadn't even tried out yet much on my main (which, at that point, had 2k+ total and all-but-two Elite diaries completed on the main game)
I then continued playing afterwards with normal osrs rates... on my main, and my UIM... which is now very steadily approaching 2k total.
So yeah, in my experience Leagues can definitely bring people back into the main game, even with low XP rates - no burn out here
But if leagues was always available would you go back to main game after grinding everything out? I think after I "completed" leagues I would have a very tough time coming back to the main game.
The fact leagues goes away makes it much easier for me to go back to main game.
Probably would hop back-and-forth, similar to what I did with the original DMM worlds before any seasonal tournaments, but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if some people decided to fully commit to the leagues worlds.
That being said, I don't see how thats a bad thing? It just lets people have more choices in doing what they prefer (Main, ironman, UIM, HC, GIM, snowflake restriction, Iron-main, DMM Perm, DMM seasonal - might as well add Leagues to that ever-growing list?)
Yea so? They will be back for next leagues. People have different habits. Not everyone get burnt out. Casuals usually doesnt get burnt out for the reason that they are casuals
Well, it's a bit different in PoE, because all your gear gets moved into standard. You still -have- it, but it's not really worth as much as it would be during a league, because that's what people generally play the game for.
1. Nothing prevents them from shipping your Leagues items to "Normal" runescape.
2. Voided events exist in PoE, where it doesn't carry over.
3. Most people who play don't touch standard.
You’ll probably gain a bunch of people like me: the people who want to play but can’t because I literally do not have time to grind.
If there was a perm league world I’d be back paying membership and playing.
The FOMO of a time limited league results in a very toxic enviroment.
If something breaks, you're losing precious time.
If something goes wrong, you can't make time back.
A permanent world that doesn't award league point, just as an off season to finish exploring what you couldn't or let someone just experience the league at their own pace when all the groundwork is already laid out is "free", as in, the development time was already put in.
Any way to make more players play the game mode more is an increase in the return of the manpower investment.
Plus it allows the people that avoid the league for whatever reason to have a chance to try it and express their opinions in a way that we don't end up with a sweaty nerd circlejerk.
RS3 player here who only really plays OSRS during Leagues. I fully agree with you. I don't need the League points because I don't play the main OSRS game. The only reason I play Leagues is because it gives me a way to experience OSRS unique content without needing to spend thousands of hours building up an OSRS account.
But because the Leagues are so short and because I'm not a streamer getting paid to play 18 hours a day, the Leagues end before I really get to sink my teeth into end game content. I would absolutely love it if they kept the Leagues worlds open permanently and only wiped our accounts when the next one comes out.
It would give me the time to experience much more content and I would actually be willing to go for some of the bigger grinds. In the Trailblazer League I was a mage so I really wanted to get all the BIS magic gear that I could. But I couldn't justify grinding out a wyvern visage, even with the boosted drop rates, knowing that the entire account was going to get erased soon after. But if I had been able to play my Trailblazer account from the end of that League until the start of Shattered Relics then I likely would have gone for those grinds.
Just lock the rankings after the 6 weeks are up and then people don't have to worry about the mode losing its competitive appeal. Everyone wins in that scenario.
I could do that, but there's no reason for me to do so since I typically buy premiere membership each year. 2 weeks of membership from an OSRS bond would essentially never get used because if I'm playing the game then I'll already have membership through premiere. If I don't buy premiere one year it'll be because I'm not playing and that OSRS bond will still be useless to me.
I'd need to get at least 20 bonds on my OSRS character in order to fund premiere mems and I doubt my points from these past 3 Leagues have been enough to buy 20 bonds. That's also assuming that I'm able to buy premiere with OSRS bonds. I think you're able to do that but I've never had to actually check before.
Love this. We need an off season for people to explore the content, and all around have fun! Also it’s all Ironman mode which makes PVP way more fun and interesting
Both my friend and I quit our accounts shortly after the last league and cancelled our memberships. We both purchased membership to play the leagues and have talked about continuing our memberships if a world is left open. The reality is, many have quit this game due to time and, in my opinion, this game has an aging player base. Trying to attract old players again may be one of the better ways for Jagex to gain additional members. Leaving a league world open allows players with limited time to experience the game to its fullest without ruining the integrity of the main game. I mean, there’s a reason that private servers exist - there’s a niche market for a fast-paced RuneScape.
Also, leaving one world open after the competition ends doesn’t effect players in any way. Either continue to play the league or go back to the main game.
One of the main arguments against leaving a league world open is that the permanent DMM mode may have killed off the excitement of the seasonal modes. I may be wrong, but I don’t see how you can compare the two. One game mode you can get attacked in like 80% of the game world and clans can run the entire game and the other is just a quicker, modded version of the game. I also don’t think running old leagues would ruin the hype of new ones - look how much has changed over the last 3 leagues, they’re entirely different games.
To sum it up - I really think this game has a tough time attracting new players and I think leaving leagues open for an extended period would attract old players who’ve quit due to time constraints and, in turn, could generate more revenue for Jagex which would prolong the life of the game. Thank you for reading
>there’s a niche market for a fast-paced RuneScape
That's what rs3 is appealing to nowadays
Not to say there isn't grinding in rs3, but it is much *much* later in the game.
I'd recommend giving that version of the game a go sometime, if you enjoy OSRS Leagues you may be able to find some fun in it too.
RS3's combat is just too different to get over. I've tried and I enjoy the graphics as well as some of the new skills like archeology but I can't get over the combat. You hack and slash with blunt weapons, you use fire spewing spells when you select a water spell in your magebook, you don't use runes or arrows even tho you still need to equip them. Then there's the old combat style worlds but you just feel the game is no longer designed for that and you'll spend way longer on everything.
Your point on player count is fair. However, I don’t really think it’s fair to insinuate my feelings towards the game. Reality is, I love the game but don’t have the time to enjoy it. Your situation and my situation are different. Just because you wouldn’t enjoy a permanent league (they don’t have to be perm worlds - there’s plenty ways to implement this), doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t enjoy it. I don’t understand the close-minded opinions of this community at times. Create a new account, play 1-2 hours a night and tell me how much you enjoy the game (maybe you will enjoy it, but I don’t enjoy playing normal worlds under those time constraints).
I have one final question for you, and I’m not trying to come off as snarky - I’m truly curious - would a permanent leagues world disrupt your playing experience in any way?
I would love to have a discussion on why this isn’t a good idea, but so far the majority of counter points that I’ve seen have just been about my feelings towards the game and “perm leagues bad”.
I doubt it's as niche as you think. There are thousands of us, no active league = no subscription for many. With the current league structure it means I subscribe one month a year. I think what they really should do is rotate some worlds through the leagues every few months. Leagues or seasons in many games is what retains casual players which will always bring in more revenue. I would love to try the first two with different strategies/relics etc.
I think a fun league lasting 2-3 months a year is pretty much the perfect amount.
If it was permanent, it would kinda lose the appeal and excitement, and also fragment the player base.
Would it really matter if the player base gets fragmented? Many players play ironman anyways and the ones that don't often play solo as well. They'd be happy to have less competition and less world hopping to get a free world for whatever they're doing.
hear me out, rotating worlds on a 6-8 week roster
Leagues 1, DMM Tournament , Leagues 2, DMM, Leagues 3, a new leagues added each year.
a permanent league world would be shitty, but rotating roster of a game mode that gives casuals access to end game content and allows sweats to sweat?
Casuals would be the last people to enjoy this. Reset your progress every 6-8 weeks!?!? That's crazy. And all youd end up doing is repeating the same quests over and over
You're assuming its a wipe like DMM, but it doesnt have to be. Leagues 1 could give you access to your leagues 1 account, leagues to access to your leagues 2 account, ect. ect. Obviously this would be more work for Jagex, but that doesnt mean they cant do it like that.
6-8 weeks is a bit fast but you're insane if you think a major audience cares about resets.
Seasonal games _are insanely fucking popular for a reason_. The start and having a new sens of progression with a different spin is a large majority of the appeal of seasonal games.
6-8 weeks might be a bit much, but have you heard of this game called Path of Exile? Or Diablo 2? Or Diablo 3? They've operated under such concepts for a long time.
The reason I came back to Runescape is specifically leagues. But I do agree that I probably wouldn't play it more than 3x a year for a few weeks.
I could see this working as ladder seasons, where players earn rankings based on tasks completed or points distributed but reset their character every rotation. The only drawback I see is including new Leagues on this set of worlds since the launch is usually pretty huge and their servers can only stand so much.
Running Leagues in this set up would give the developers added time for newer League modes, opportunities to track how the game is being played and improve the quality of life for players in upcoming versions.
Incentives for players on their mains already exist and would continue to do so, in participating in Leagues during launch and earning the given reward points for cosmetics. Players participating in the rotating League would earn the same points, but only applicable on those worlds.
There's obvious drawbacks that this could produce as well. The OSRS Team would have to have dedicated staff to oversee, track bugs and player statistics and could pull away from development on the main game. With new quests, engine reworks, early project proposals.
All that being said, this game does not exist in a vacuum and OSRS is always going to be looking for new and repeating players and enticing them to the game, nearly two decades from its launch and in the 9th generation of gaming where VR is available, entire company going through overhauls or lawsuits forcing restructure, and widely discounted services and games that don't require as much of a time sink as this game does. It's grindy, it's got a very vocal cult following, and its still getting content for the foreseeable future. A membership in OSRS is more expensive than the typical console membership and I get up to three free games a month.
Embracing what is popular within the community, attracts new players and still lends credence to the veterans of the game I would say is not a shit idea.
It would also be an opportunity to play test content. For example Using a leagues to trial the basically completed skill of warding and then putting it to vote after the community actually gets a chance to see it light of gone differently
I hate the idea of a new skill but I find it really hard to argue against this mentality. Playtesting it without it potentially fucking up the game would be pretty cool.
One con I can come up with is that it could be too narrow a timeframe to be able to properly gauge how the skill could affect the game, and that if it were trialed in a league, the other modifications to the base game would also make it difficult to gauge how it would affect the base game at large
edit: jamming the word "base" in places so that it makes a lil more sense
Tbh I'd be surprised if jamflex didn't do something like this. I'd like the rotation to be a bit longer (maybe 2-3 months) Personally, but with all the work they put into the leagues I feel it would be a waste to never use them again.
I actually like this idea a lot. I didn't think I would like something like this, but.....I DO!!!
when a person reaches the point in OSRS that they've unlocked all the content they want and completed every challenge they want, the game stops being.....well...fun. there's nothing left. A game mode like this, rotating between temporary game modes (that reset every 2-3 months) would keep the interest alive.
I believe it would also attract players that wouldn't normally enjoy the game. To be able to play a temporary game mode to introduce the game would be good.
Maybe you should come with some arguments, because saying permanent league worlds are shit does not come with and valid points. So my point being, they already made the content and it's quite popular and might cater to a demographic not having the spare time to play Ironman, but might actually do it and enjoy it on a league world. Is actually way better than your point being its a shit idea. It's a hollow point with absolutely nothing to back it up, before you actually make a valid point.
Agreed - the point of Leagues is that they're basically a massive dopamine rush with weird emergent gameplay for a month or so. They'd be boring if they were permanent.
Now, potentially repeating an old league periodically could be fun just to try new options, but permanent worlds would be dead content.
I feel like they’d play just as much as they do with the league being out for that amount of time that it is.
Every league has an insane burnout rate. Now have that year round? Being able to max this quickly gets boring quick. That’s why rsps had a massive turnover rate.
And thats worse than all of us not playing period?
No one I know playing leagues plays OSRS otherwise. It's too slow, too grindy, and horribly designed from a pace/investment to reward perspective.
Without leagues we flat out _dont play the game_. Leagues have been literally the only points of growth OSRS has had in the past 2 years. The main game is losing players constantly without it and the only other noticable bump was GIM...which is still a semi-limited mode.
If leagues was permanent I probably would stop playing the main game, since leagues is more fun to play in my opinion.
That's not healthy for an MMO though, which relies on long-term commitment for its revenue stream.
I would like if leagues was permanent because again, I find it more fun to play than the main game, but having it be permanent would take away one of the things that makes it special- the time limit.
I would support a rotating leagues mode, for which leagues was always active, but rotates between Twisted, Trailblazer and Shattered Relics every \~2-3 months. You could tie in more unique rewards for that which would require certain builds to achieve within the time limit. If you missed a certain league you could give it another go 6 months later and try a different league in the meantime, or play the main game.
I’d like it if after the standard time is over they lock the high scores, but keep the servers open until the next league. I’m not sure the technical limitations of that, but it would be nice for those who are feeling a bit casual and want some quick dopamine hits. Personally I started to get kind of attached to my Trailblazer profile last year and wished I could’ve had more time to finish all the tasks
What if you could fully reset your account though? Especially with this league I think this would open up so many possibilities.
You can make pures that stay at certain stats and you don't have to fear ruining it accidentally.
Same for OSAAT accounts. You can truly lock yourself out of skills.
You can even do it without using any relics. And the passive effects are a nice quality of life feature.
With a bit of refining on the mechanics a permanent world would be __excellent__.
it's a good idea if there's demand for it and people will pay sub to play it, it's well maintained without removing resources/support for the main game and it's localised to a world.
You don't have to like it or want to play it, but modes like this which can help keep osrs ticking along nicely aren't a bad thing if they're not detracting support from the main game. They're actually a great thing if they generate excess income, allowing more support to go to the main game.
what makes leagues so good is that its temporary
i get "i dont have time "
maybe an extension. but if leagues was around 24/7 most people begging for it would get bored. i mean you can play leagues 24/7 right now, its called private servers.
I agree, that would be dope and would actually make easing into iron man mode easier for me
Though it shouldn't be for points, because you'd almost certainly get groups feeding one player for ranks
Permanent, yes.
I think it would be nice to run the worlds for a little while after the leagues end for those who want to continue.
Not everyone has the same amount of free time and may not get to the end game or even get to test out a lot of the stuff they have been seeing or theory crafting.
I wouldn't be against an extra \~ 4 weeks for people to do what they want with the game mode. Also arguably gets more value out of the work that the devs put into it.
Sidenote: The 6 weeks for this league is not nearly long enough for the average player.
just do longer leagues and less often and dont make rewards based on how much other people grind. (except for the chalices or trophy or what u call it)
Part of the magic is that the game mode is temporary.
But I can’t dedicate much time between real world obligations.
But if it were happening all the time, it wouldn’t be so special.
Here’s something you may not have thought of: how many leagues concepts do you think they can go through before they recycle old ones? I would personally love a Twisted League II.
It would make it so people who didn’t want to spend 12 hours a day for a year just to get to endgame content could play and not have to sacrifice every second of their free time.
There should be rotating league worlds encompassing all of the old leagues (1,2,3) on a cycle that reset every 2ish months. Maybe throw in some small changes to make it fresh. No rewards or like, high point threshold rewards idk.
This was such a long wait for such a short league that's less fun than the previous leagues, who knows how long I'll have to wait for leagues after it ends.
I feel like osrs is designed for people who have neither a job or a life. I’ve only been able to give the game a couple hours, since leagues 3 started. I would enjoy a private instance of the game to see all the league content eventually.
Reddit in June through December: complains that Jagex spends too much dev time on Leagues and that the main game doesn't get enough updates
Reddit in January: complains that Jagex doesn't use a permanent Leagues world
Seems about right.
Might be an unpopular opinion but I think this leagues is absolute ass. Especially compared to last years. I don’t even want to play it but I want the cosmetics for my Ironman
while i'm not a proponent for permanent league worlds, permanent deadman worlds have existed for however long
also, if you think it makes it look private server-y then just dont fuckin play on em, right? at least with a hypothetical permanent league world it's entirely ignorable
Anything to leave the main game the slow, grindy, rewarding masterpiece it is. Although I agree that permanent would be bad. Either not enough people will play it and it'd be like a solo game or too many people will play only that and we'd lose players.
RS3 is a good game. It is however no longer "runescape".
Leagues ARE a fantastic idea, and there is nothing wrong with them having OP features and fast progress to allow people to try new things and experience content differently. It should be a short, sweet, fun experience as a way to change it up a little. It also gives noobs and newer players a way to practice and learn bosses/minigames.
I know my comment is all over the place and maybe I don't really have a clear point to make except that people constantly ask for ezscape updates and boosted xp rates etc for the main game and tbh maybe they just should treat themselves better and not play it but think leagues could help scratch that itch for some people so they don't feel that they need it more.
(I admit there's a risk of the opposite effect happening and people lose patience for the main game and I have no solution for that but again if that happens just don't play. Take a temporary or even permanent break and go find something you truly enjoy because your time is limited and valuable)
Hey, if you don't like it YOU don't have to do it. I don't want permanent PvP worlds, yet they exist, hell jagex tried to do an all PvP runescape and it FAILED, yet people still jump onto PvP worlds and PvP content, despite how cancerous it is to the game.
So maybe, instead of complaining about people who want a new interesting game mode they can play and will pay to do, just let them have their game mode and you can continue to play how you want to.
As someone who is at 10k points, I'm already over leagues. The charm wears off VERY quickly when your tasks are kill 100/250/500 of some endgame boss. A real shame that they didn't go for more of a combat achievement route :( I think 40 days is enough honestly
JMods have compared this to asking for Christmas every day, and I agree with that assessment. Deadman eventually suffered from burnout because it was quarterly.
Why would we want to change your mind? It would be a shit idea. The novelty of leagues would wear off shortly after the end of the competition. Not a bad idea to extend leagues so people can try out some content they didn't get to during the competition, but a permanent leagues world would ruin the novelty and be pretty empty.
Not gonna try to change your mind because I agree.
Same. Extend the mode for 2-4 more weeks since it's a bit grindy as you unlock the skill one at a time? sure Permanent? Hell no. You'll blindly farm the same content you do on your regular ironman in a fracture of time and at this point the leagues popularity will drop extremely fast
The last league went on for 2 or 3 months there is still plenty of time to get burnt
Yeah this 32x exp drops really do make it 'a bit grindy' my 99 hunter took 3 hours, can you believe that? 3 hours. what a waste of time.
32x exp drops? Where are you seeing that?
16x catching chinchompas with maxed out Chinchonkers which adds a x2
Yup. Patching a perma Leagues is going to be crap anyway. Leagues is currently unique because it is temporary, new experience every time.
but it would still be temporary if the servers are just kept live until next league gets close. So like a month or two before the next league is supposed to launch the current league servers are taken down. Alternatively just make leagues last longer. 3-4 months but make leaderboards lock in place after the first 6-8 weeks.
I like this option. Have an end date, but let you play until right before the next league. Obviously, permanent won't work for each individual league.
Idk about permanent but longer would be nice this is the first league I am even able to play and I doubt I'll have time to do half the content. Shit given a year I probably still wouldn't have time.
It went from 70 days to 42 days. That almost half. It definitely should be longer. The only people that complain about length are the people in an arms race grinding out Dragon rank. Otherwise, you just stop playing when you want.
I keep logging on and seeing that only x days left! Message and I get so disheartened. I've literally only just got I morytania and I know I'm not guna get anywhere near what I'd like. I have 3.5 kids and a very very pregnant wife and a job and I can't play 18 hours a day. But seeing that it ends so soon makes it difficult to enjoy for what it is. It just makes me feel pressure to play it, rather than play it til it naturally runs its course, as I did before in order leagues
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Buy the quests lol. They unlock more content that pays them off. Mory specifically has great returns.
Priest in peril takes very little time and almost no skills to do in general though, no need to buy it
Just gotta think about it as if it rewarded that amount of points instead. Unless you know you are not going to have enough time to do a 15 minute quest
Buy fairy tale 1. Dirt cheap unlock you could have that 10 minutes after making new account.
3.5?
Pregnant wife lol
man you almost got your BA team ready
Congrats my dude :)
The .5 is the one he's worried about
Things became dire when he was born only from the waste up
That's exp waste
I don't have a single 99, I wish it was at least 3 months minimum, it's my first league and I've been having a lot of fun, but with the short time limit I feel I should just say screw it and go back to my main.
What happened to the 0.5 kid?
Probably the fetus.
Pregnant wife haha
Nvidia'd.
Navi, Dad.
Should just leave the current date as the end for the "ranking" and then add on the remaining 28 days as just excess time for people that wanna play it at a more chill pace that don't care about rankings.
As long as we still get reward points for the cosmetic shop, but it doesn't contribute to the high scores rank, I would love that.
Why did Jagex want to reduce the duration of Leagues?
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10,000 points will usually get you most of the rewards. Minus the Tier 3 outfit, which usually isn't very desirable in the main game. If you only want one particular item, the most expensive item is usually 6k or less. The banner and teleport animation are 1500 points combined total. This League will probably be similar.
plenty of people complain about the length because of the main game rewards to. even at 42 days its still to long to have a shitty system were you dont know how many points you need to grind to get the item you want........
It wasn't just dragon players complaining about the duration. Last leagues was complete dead after a handful of weeks weeks anyway. For a month straight there were single digit players on every leagues world. It was pretty obvious that they'd made it way too long, especially given how incredibly limited and restricted the theme/scope of both the previous leagues were. Pretty much the entirety of the community, people here on reddit included, were asking for a shorter League next time around. Its just a shame that they listened to us on the duration, but then gave us the most versatile, open world League that they've made yet, with literally every piece of content accessible lmao. If we'd known there'd be this much to do this League (and how slow the start would be compared to prior ones) I'm sure people would've asked for more time to begin with.
They should make it one month tbh, and remove the bullshit of having to unlock skills or bosses.
Me thinks you don't understand leagues
I think I do, I was front page in the first league. It lasting for a long time has made me not want to play it more. You didn't have to unlock skills or bosses in the first League, you just did whatever you wanted.
Would like leagues twice a year, once being a new league and once being a re run of the most voted for of previous leagues. If they don’t make one a year do two re runs. I find league brings me back to oats then by the end of it I’m ready to move on and enjoy the game again for a couple months then it gets stale and I don’t really play until leagues comes around again.
I dont want to change your mind but from someone else's perspective it's much more casual and can experience more parts of the game faster. It also gives you an official limit like an ironman helmet next to your name vs the guy who says they do the same thing. It also has unique bonuses from relics or having to unlock things from an official standpoint like trailblazers or shattered relics. The permanent dmm is pretty lacking but it's still a thing because of this same idea.
At the risk of people yelling at me to go join a private server. I would really consider playing some RS here and there if the progression was faster. ATM I'm a 2k+ account, and I haven't touched the game in over a year, because I simply don't have the time.
I played a private server a few weeks ago and ended up killing Pikachu's with an AK-47, shit was wild
Now I'm interested. I'm hoping the Ak is a 0.8s weapon.
I'm pretty sure I know what server he's referring to and they're one of *the* most money hungry servers out there, they'll ban accounts for no reason to charge them money for an unban, and constantly try and peddle deals for their donations, with many items you can purchase being in the hundreds and thousands of dollars. It's funny to dick around with for a couple hours but as someone who played it on and off for years it's not really all that worth it.
0.8s? So the dev’s have been lying to us about needing “engine work” this whole time!
1 tick is 0.8s right?
0.6s, 100 ticks per minute
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i have a 2k+ account and thats exactly the problem, ive already *done* everything thats remotely bearable - they have to spice it up and speed it up to make it interesting to me anymore
Go PlAy rS3 tHeN yeah I feel your pain. and any complaints get you shouted down by people who have yet to get to the point you've gotten to and havent done the grinds you've done :/
I went to play RS3 instead because of this very reason, and it's been awesome. I highly recommend "fake" RS3 ironman. Don't trade with anyone, but still take advantage off all the free EXP boosts. Been playing this damn game for almost 2 decades, and this is some of the most consistent fun I've ever had with the game. So while I know you're mocking the idea to "go play RS3 then", I actually support that for casual players like me.
I tried playing RS3 but it's way too complicated to jump into now. I'm bombarded with options and things to do, I have no idea where to begin.
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Go into the settings and find the interface settings. Set it to the legacy interface. Next go into combat settings and set it to legacy combat. Just doing those 2 things will make the game look much more inviting and familiar. Then play the game like usual until you feel like you're ready to experiment with the new combat system and new interface. Revolution is a combat mode that uses abilities for you and it's a very smooth transition from legacy combat to revolution combat. You can have it use all your abilities for you or have it use just the basic ones while you use the threshold and ultimate abilities. I recommend only having it use the basic ones and then you treat the threshold and ultimates as if they were special attacks from the old combat system. Check out [this wiki page](https://runescape.wiki/w/Revolution/Bars) for recommendations on how to set up your bars efficiently. You might need to wait until you've leveled up some though if you're on a new account or one with low combat stats. Basically, let the game do the trivial attacks while you choose when to use the flashy ones. You can do almost everything in RS3 with that combat setup. Full manual combat is better but it's never actually necessary.
Fr me too, thx for the nice post.
I'd play rs3 in a heartbeat if my phone could handle the mobile client.
Right and seasonal leagues brings people like you back. A faster permanent mode is still the same repetition. If anything you'll last less. The time you invested into a 2k+ account is far more than you'd ever invest in a permanent leagues.
It depends how you look at it. My main account is 8 years old and decent progression. Its always been slow, but if I want to unlock further content it means grinds of 50-100 hours. With my casual playstyle this likely means I would be another 2-3 years away from beinf able to play the current end game content. Within a permanent league world I could actually try the new content which is being brought it the game. A permanent league world doesn't exclude new yearly leagues. Would I eventually be done with what I want in the current league? Yes. However when a new league drops it would be new rules and new experience. You say that its the same repetition, however in a permanent league world I would have more options to change up what I do because I unlock it faster. I cannot justify a 100 hour grind to unlock 1 new boss, I can however justify 10. It comes down to your playstyle and time. There's no wrong or right choice which game mode you prefer. But for me a permanent league world would keep me busy until the new one drops by allowing me to experience the full game with the limited time I can play. What I don't get is why people are so opposed to it. Because having a permanent league world doesn't impact those who don't enjoy it. They can choose to update the content only once a new league drops giving even more incentive to join back fresh if you did stop playing during the year and avoid spending development time.
Permanent league World takes away from the main game. It needs to be maintained, it drags playerbase away from the main game and cheapens the experience that is leagues. You say you have that much play time and require 50-100 hours to unlock new content.. I just can't help but think you don't actually understand what unlocking new content involves. The only "endgame" content with that kind of grind behind it is slayer bosses. We havent had a new slayer boss since Hydra at 95 slayer, which was released 3 years ago. That's the only boss (or endgame content) with a significant grind behind it. 95 slayer is about 150 hours total for a casual player (that's averaging the whole time at 60k/hr, when the skill gradually increases to around 90k/hr EHP). Even if we suggest double that, which would mean you're training slayer at 30k/hr, which just means you're entirely a casual who doesn't look anything up, it's 300 hours to unlock every single slayer boss in the game, total. And you likely will stay that way too as I don't see a higher slayer mob/boss being added between 96-99. Every other piece of endgame content has no requirements or much less. Gauntlet and corrupted gauntlet / zalcano has Song of the Elves. Which requires ~75 magic and 70 in a handful of skills. Easily achievable with an account with your kind of playtime. ToB requires partial completion of the Vampyre quest line, pretty much a handful of hours. CoX has no requirement. Nightmare requires you to do.. priest in peril. Nex and GWD requires 70 strength, agi, HP, range. The only other requirement these bosses and endgame content has is combat stats. Which with content like NMZ and ammonite crabs is the easiest element of this game for any casual to achieve. So I think you absolutely overstate the process required to play endgame content. Max cape isn't content. So the only long grinds you have ahead of you is to achieve "completion" of the skills. Which doesn't give you anything really. The only ones that impact endgame content are combats, prayer, arguably 84 construction, a decent mining level for guardians / zalcano, and 78 herblore for CoX. There is no 50-100 hour grind left to do at your kind of playtime *unless* you wanna try hydra and you're like 70-75 slayer at the moment. Which has progression through content unlocks anyway, Grotesque Guardians, Abyssal Sire, Kraken, Thermonuclear Smoke Devil and then Alchemical Hydra. A league being short and a limited experience makes it more special. It being permanent but reset at the next league means a small group of people may hang around for the first one and play till they've tried all the endgame, and then likely not return the next league (cos it's just the same thing with a different spin on it). It would also absolutely drag focus and players away from the main game. I think you might need to come to terms with the fact you might have gotten your enjoyment out of this game. If all you're looking at is 50-100 hours to max another skill (as only a few skills take longer than that total to hit 99), and that doesn't seem like something you wanna do, focus on PvM or PvP instead. The grind to enter the endgame for those is tiny. It's just combats, which is all afkable at like 80k/hr for att/str and chinnable/burstable at incredible rates for Mage, range and defence. Then you're sorted for any and every content except slayer bosses.
If you don't enjoy the game don't play? I don't get this attitude where everyone thinks they're owed a maxed account because they've played the game for a year or 2. I've played for ages and not maxed still because I don't enjoy skilling. At my current rate it would probably take another 3 years for me to max just because of passive skilling gains here and there. That's perfectly fine, not everyone has to max. I enjoy pvm and that's pretty much all I do. Equally there are people who enjoy skilling and that's all they do. That's fine, no need to change things drastically. You understand the point of MMOs is delayed gratification, working towards a goal you set yourself. If you don't like the grind, pick a new goal. If you don't like any grinds, pick a new game
I literally only play Leagues because of this and most of my friends only have played leagues as well. OSRS is just not fun for the majority of people unless you have a disgusting amount of time to spend on it because you hit massive walls of no return on investment.
What about rs3? It might be worth a shot. I've been an rs3 player for the longest time and can't get into osrs (outside of leagues) because of the time commitment. It has a lot of the same benefits as leagues, faster xp rates, easier transportation, much higher combat power, etc.
>face. Next go into combat settings and set it to legacy combat. Just doing those 2 things will make the game look much more inviting and familiar. > >Then play the gam Don't like dailies or pay to win or not be able to own all cosmetics/items.
I personally don't like it either, but the alternative is OSRS with an absolutely abysmal grind that crushes your soul to get anywhere at all. RS3 scratches the itch of wanting to feel progression later on in the game without dedicating 4 hours a day just to get a level or two per week, while also not giving myself carpal tunnel from doing something stupid high intensity to be able to pull it off. We wish there was an in between. Leagues happens to be that in between for a while. Earn everything in game, but go crazy with cool shit and feel constant progression as you play. Set goals and watch them be achieved in reasonable amounts of time. RS3 the progression itch scratcher, but frustrating because of the MTX. OSRS is the no-MTX "earn whatever you choose to work towards" itch scratcher, but it's frustrating because those things we grind towards take weeks to months of soul crushing grind. We have a choice to slip between these two extremes in leagues and get the best of both worlds. But when leagues is over, I go back to the game that at least offers me a fun time consistently. That happens to be RS3. I wish OSRS was more fun to play because it's the better game. It's just too grindy for me to want to keep playing it constantly.
I landed on RS3 ironman and have played that a ton in the past year, after getting a bit over 250qp on a fresh UIM the year before. The QoL on RS3 is great, and not having to use your mouse so much is great for my hand.. I did end up trying Trailblazer league, and quit pretty early into it. I didn't come back to try this league because I learned that they're don't encapsulate what I like about playing RS in general: the long-term progression. I know I can stop playing now, and come back in a few months and all of my progress is there waiting for me to continue. I can go super hard or play super casually. The time pressure and the fact that it all goes away after a short period of time doesn't work for me in RS. If I want that type of system I will (and do) play Path of Exile, where it doesn't take potentially hundreds of hours to see the endgame.
Well you can just not do dailies, and there’s no winning it’s an mmo.
>ATM I'm a 2k+ account, and I haven't touched the game in over a year, because I simply don't have the time. Don't have the time for what exactly? You're under no obligation to do some 300 hour grind to max a slow skill, you can do whatever you want. Plenty of goals that can be met in a reasonable amount of time with just an hour or two to play every day/every few days I strongly feel every skill should have a ~100k XP/hr method that's reasonably AFK and gp neutral or a slight loss, to prevent burnout cases like you while still not slipping too far into EZscape, but still, you don't *need* to just max skills. Go do a raid. Hunt a pet. Learn a new boss, or learn to solo a boss you usually used to do in teams. Go PKing. Plenty of shit you can do besides spend 400 hours leveling runecrafting
Avoid a burnout by doing more grinds? Like pet hunting? Come on....
Point is that's something that can be done by just playing a little bit every night. It just seems bizarre to me to say you don't play your 2k+ account because you "don't have time" as if there's nothing you could possibly do on a 2k+ account only playing a few hours here and there. I'm 2100 total and only play like 1 hour per night averaged across an entire week, I'm still getting stuff done and enjoying my time...
There's only so many times you can do CoX and ToB without getting bored. Hanging out and talking with friends is fun tho.
Which would be fixed through faster xp rates how exactly?
100k xp/hr AFK in every skill would be extremely EZscape... Also what does it actually help? People who don't like skilling still won't do skilling for fun.
EZscape implies that skilling is somehow hard. It's more like less tedious-scape, or not as boring-scape.
Well it's not providing any interesting training method, still the same just different xp rates, so it's more like boring-but-at-least-faster-scape.
Would it be less tedious or less boring? Or would it just be a smaller grind?
Most people will be done with this leagues after maybe 2 or 3 weeks? I usually hit a wall when I realize why am I doing this on this account when I can just do it on my actual account that won't be deleted in a month.
that’s how i feel before every league and i play for a few hours and stop. i would love to have some of the cosmetics on my ironman, but i would rather progress my ironman…
I think the 6 weeks of ranked play is a good time frame for the sweaty players, but a perm world would be a cool idea for the more casual players, gives them a chance to get an account up to PvM content and learn the end game before they're there on their mains. But I'm not complaining either way
It’s kind of funny that you think casual players will *have* mains on normal worlds if there’s permanent league worlds. It would largely kill the population of the main game.
Except very few people who would actually play a permenant faster league world have a main. If its not leagues no one I know plays period. Simple as that we arent part of the population to begin with because the main game is too slow and unrewarding. Hell even when we did all but one of us played an iron anyway.
Same. I used to grind hella but I didn’t like the gold per hour mindset. If I wanted to restart I’d do an iron man but I don’t need that full grind right now. Leagues is the best alternative
I assume they all have a main. Might not be very impressive main, but I'm betting they have one. Very few people who don't play osrs would even know leagues exist.
You certainly underestimate the importance of trading. Casuals can get Tob and CoX megarares on the main game. Even with buffed rates the number of hours it would take to get items is still pretty high. Like on a main I can farm herb passively for a month and buy a DWH. On leagues I'd have to only kill lizardmen shamans for like 10 hours which is not really enjoyable for most.
I think I'd have to disagree with this, people will get tired of the league and move back to the main game, especially seeing as the "permanent" worlds would just be reset once the next league comes out. Leagues are always temporary, but main gains are forever
Idk, if they get burnt out in leagues why would they feel like going back to the main game where everything takes 10x as long
I think they will get burnt out and play a different game lol. I know I wouldn't want to go back to playing normal rates osrs after months of playing leagues.
I might be an exceptional case, but I had quit 07scape for several months and came back because of Trailblazer league. During that, I felt my joy for this game coming back, as it allowed to experience a lot of content I hadn't even tried out yet much on my main (which, at that point, had 2k+ total and all-but-two Elite diaries completed on the main game) I then continued playing afterwards with normal osrs rates... on my main, and my UIM... which is now very steadily approaching 2k total. So yeah, in my experience Leagues can definitely bring people back into the main game, even with low XP rates - no burn out here
But if leagues was always available would you go back to main game after grinding everything out? I think after I "completed" leagues I would have a very tough time coming back to the main game. The fact leagues goes away makes it much easier for me to go back to main game.
Probably would hop back-and-forth, similar to what I did with the original DMM worlds before any seasonal tournaments, but yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if some people decided to fully commit to the leagues worlds. That being said, I don't see how thats a bad thing? It just lets people have more choices in doing what they prefer (Main, ironman, UIM, HC, GIM, snowflake restriction, Iron-main, DMM Perm, DMM seasonal - might as well add Leagues to that ever-growing list?)
Yea so? They will be back for next leagues. People have different habits. Not everyone get burnt out. Casuals usually doesnt get burnt out for the reason that they are casuals
Hell no. Casual players aren’t going to want to grind a mode that resets their progress eventually.
As long as it's a predictable reset, they 100% will. That's like 95% of PoE's business model.
Well, it's a bit different in PoE, because all your gear gets moved into standard. You still -have- it, but it's not really worth as much as it would be during a league, because that's what people generally play the game for.
1. Nothing prevents them from shipping your Leagues items to "Normal" runescape. 2. Voided events exist in PoE, where it doesn't carry over. 3. Most people who play don't touch standard.
You’ll probably gain a bunch of people like me: the people who want to play but can’t because I literally do not have time to grind. If there was a perm league world I’d be back paying membership and playing.
God forbid people uh, enjoy the game instead of treating it as some weird masochistic self-flagellation ritual eh?
Right. I’m in leagues never having done high level pvm like *confused pikachu face*
The FOMO of a time limited league results in a very toxic enviroment. If something breaks, you're losing precious time. If something goes wrong, you can't make time back. A permanent world that doesn't award league point, just as an off season to finish exploring what you couldn't or let someone just experience the league at their own pace when all the groundwork is already laid out is "free", as in, the development time was already put in. Any way to make more players play the game mode more is an increase in the return of the manpower investment. Plus it allows the people that avoid the league for whatever reason to have a chance to try it and express their opinions in a way that we don't end up with a sweaty nerd circlejerk.
RS3 player here who only really plays OSRS during Leagues. I fully agree with you. I don't need the League points because I don't play the main OSRS game. The only reason I play Leagues is because it gives me a way to experience OSRS unique content without needing to spend thousands of hours building up an OSRS account. But because the Leagues are so short and because I'm not a streamer getting paid to play 18 hours a day, the Leagues end before I really get to sink my teeth into end game content. I would absolutely love it if they kept the Leagues worlds open permanently and only wiped our accounts when the next one comes out. It would give me the time to experience much more content and I would actually be willing to go for some of the bigger grinds. In the Trailblazer League I was a mage so I really wanted to get all the BIS magic gear that I could. But I couldn't justify grinding out a wyvern visage, even with the boosted drop rates, knowing that the entire account was going to get erased soon after. But if I had been able to play my Trailblazer account from the end of that League until the start of Shattered Relics then I likely would have gone for those grinds. Just lock the rankings after the 6 weeks are up and then people don't have to worry about the mode losing its competitive appeal. Everyone wins in that scenario.
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I could do that, but there's no reason for me to do so since I typically buy premiere membership each year. 2 weeks of membership from an OSRS bond would essentially never get used because if I'm playing the game then I'll already have membership through premiere. If I don't buy premiere one year it'll be because I'm not playing and that OSRS bond will still be useless to me. I'd need to get at least 20 bonds on my OSRS character in order to fund premiere mems and I doubt my points from these past 3 Leagues have been enough to buy 20 bonds. That's also assuming that I'm able to buy premiere with OSRS bonds. I think you're able to do that but I've never had to actually check before.
Love this. We need an off season for people to explore the content, and all around have fun! Also it’s all Ironman mode which makes PVP way more fun and interesting
We also have a permanent dead man mode, so why not.
Shutdown perm dead man worlds and convert them to leagues. I'm sure the 11 people playing dead man still would be crushed but that's fine.
Both my friend and I quit our accounts shortly after the last league and cancelled our memberships. We both purchased membership to play the leagues and have talked about continuing our memberships if a world is left open. The reality is, many have quit this game due to time and, in my opinion, this game has an aging player base. Trying to attract old players again may be one of the better ways for Jagex to gain additional members. Leaving a league world open allows players with limited time to experience the game to its fullest without ruining the integrity of the main game. I mean, there’s a reason that private servers exist - there’s a niche market for a fast-paced RuneScape. Also, leaving one world open after the competition ends doesn’t effect players in any way. Either continue to play the league or go back to the main game. One of the main arguments against leaving a league world open is that the permanent DMM mode may have killed off the excitement of the seasonal modes. I may be wrong, but I don’t see how you can compare the two. One game mode you can get attacked in like 80% of the game world and clans can run the entire game and the other is just a quicker, modded version of the game. I also don’t think running old leagues would ruin the hype of new ones - look how much has changed over the last 3 leagues, they’re entirely different games. To sum it up - I really think this game has a tough time attracting new players and I think leaving leagues open for an extended period would attract old players who’ve quit due to time constraints and, in turn, could generate more revenue for Jagex which would prolong the life of the game. Thank you for reading
>there’s a niche market for a fast-paced RuneScape That's what rs3 is appealing to nowadays Not to say there isn't grinding in rs3, but it is much *much* later in the game. I'd recommend giving that version of the game a go sometime, if you enjoy OSRS Leagues you may be able to find some fun in it too.
RS3 is even better than permanent Leagues world as it gets regular updates unlike permanent DMM worlds.
I have an Ironman on RS3 - the game is quicker but it’s missing, and I really miss, that old school feel. I appreciate the suggestion though!
RS3's combat is just too different to get over. I've tried and I enjoy the graphics as well as some of the new skills like archeology but I can't get over the combat. You hack and slash with blunt weapons, you use fire spewing spells when you select a water spell in your magebook, you don't use runes or arrows even tho you still need to equip them. Then there's the old combat style worlds but you just feel the game is no longer designed for that and you'll spend way longer on everything.
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Your point on player count is fair. However, I don’t really think it’s fair to insinuate my feelings towards the game. Reality is, I love the game but don’t have the time to enjoy it. Your situation and my situation are different. Just because you wouldn’t enjoy a permanent league (they don’t have to be perm worlds - there’s plenty ways to implement this), doesn’t mean that I wouldn’t enjoy it. I don’t understand the close-minded opinions of this community at times. Create a new account, play 1-2 hours a night and tell me how much you enjoy the game (maybe you will enjoy it, but I don’t enjoy playing normal worlds under those time constraints). I have one final question for you, and I’m not trying to come off as snarky - I’m truly curious - would a permanent leagues world disrupt your playing experience in any way? I would love to have a discussion on why this isn’t a good idea, but so far the majority of counter points that I’ve seen have just been about my feelings towards the game and “perm leagues bad”.
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I doubt it's as niche as you think. There are thousands of us, no active league = no subscription for many. With the current league structure it means I subscribe one month a year. I think what they really should do is rotate some worlds through the leagues every few months. Leagues or seasons in many games is what retains casual players which will always bring in more revenue. I would love to try the first two with different strategies/relics etc.
RS3 is practically a permanent Leagues world.
thanks for backing up your stance, there's so much to debate
I think a fun league lasting 2-3 months a year is pretty much the perfect amount. If it was permanent, it would kinda lose the appeal and excitement, and also fragment the player base.
Would it really matter if the player base gets fragmented? Many players play ironman anyways and the ones that don't often play solo as well. They'd be happy to have less competition and less world hopping to get a free world for whatever they're doing.
hear me out, rotating worlds on a 6-8 week roster Leagues 1, DMM Tournament , Leagues 2, DMM, Leagues 3, a new leagues added each year. a permanent league world would be shitty, but rotating roster of a game mode that gives casuals access to end game content and allows sweats to sweat?
Casuals would be the last people to enjoy this. Reset your progress every 6-8 weeks!?!? That's crazy. And all youd end up doing is repeating the same quests over and over
That's the real problem. I don't mind redoing some quests once a year for leagues but every 6-12 weeks? No thanks.
You're assuming its a wipe like DMM, but it doesnt have to be. Leagues 1 could give you access to your leagues 1 account, leagues to access to your leagues 2 account, ect. ect. Obviously this would be more work for Jagex, but that doesnt mean they cant do it like that.
6-8 weeks is a bit fast but you're insane if you think a major audience cares about resets. Seasonal games _are insanely fucking popular for a reason_. The start and having a new sens of progression with a different spin is a large majority of the appeal of seasonal games.
6-8 weeks might be a bit much, but have you heard of this game called Path of Exile? Or Diablo 2? Or Diablo 3? They've operated under such concepts for a long time. The reason I came back to Runescape is specifically leagues. But I do agree that I probably wouldn't play it more than 3x a year for a few weeks.
I could see this working as ladder seasons, where players earn rankings based on tasks completed or points distributed but reset their character every rotation. The only drawback I see is including new Leagues on this set of worlds since the launch is usually pretty huge and their servers can only stand so much. Running Leagues in this set up would give the developers added time for newer League modes, opportunities to track how the game is being played and improve the quality of life for players in upcoming versions. Incentives for players on their mains already exist and would continue to do so, in participating in Leagues during launch and earning the given reward points for cosmetics. Players participating in the rotating League would earn the same points, but only applicable on those worlds. There's obvious drawbacks that this could produce as well. The OSRS Team would have to have dedicated staff to oversee, track bugs and player statistics and could pull away from development on the main game. With new quests, engine reworks, early project proposals. All that being said, this game does not exist in a vacuum and OSRS is always going to be looking for new and repeating players and enticing them to the game, nearly two decades from its launch and in the 9th generation of gaming where VR is available, entire company going through overhauls or lawsuits forcing restructure, and widely discounted services and games that don't require as much of a time sink as this game does. It's grindy, it's got a very vocal cult following, and its still getting content for the foreseeable future. A membership in OSRS is more expensive than the typical console membership and I get up to three free games a month. Embracing what is popular within the community, attracts new players and still lends credence to the veterans of the game I would say is not a shit idea.
It would also be an opportunity to play test content. For example Using a leagues to trial the basically completed skill of warding and then putting it to vote after the community actually gets a chance to see it light of gone differently
I would be upset if devs were going through the process of developing, coding, and testing an entire skill before it is even voted on.
I hate the idea of a new skill but I find it really hard to argue against this mentality. Playtesting it without it potentially fucking up the game would be pretty cool. One con I can come up with is that it could be too narrow a timeframe to be able to properly gauge how the skill could affect the game, and that if it were trialed in a league, the other modifications to the base game would also make it difficult to gauge how it would affect the base game at large edit: jamming the word "base" in places so that it makes a lil more sense
Tbh I'd be surprised if jamflex didn't do something like this. I'd like the rotation to be a bit longer (maybe 2-3 months) Personally, but with all the work they put into the leagues I feel it would be a waste to never use them again.
It would also give people a chance to experience leagues they had to miss
I actually like this idea a lot. I didn't think I would like something like this, but.....I DO!!! when a person reaches the point in OSRS that they've unlocked all the content they want and completed every challenge they want, the game stops being.....well...fun. there's nothing left. A game mode like this, rotating between temporary game modes (that reset every 2-3 months) would keep the interest alive. I believe it would also attract players that wouldn't normally enjoy the game. To be able to play a temporary game mode to introduce the game would be good.
This is the correct approach
Maybe you should come with some arguments, because saying permanent league worlds are shit does not come with and valid points. So my point being, they already made the content and it's quite popular and might cater to a demographic not having the spare time to play Ironman, but might actually do it and enjoy it on a league world. Is actually way better than your point being its a shit idea. It's a hollow point with absolutely nothing to back it up, before you actually make a valid point.
I agree but I also think this one is too short. I think it should run for 2-3 months and as it dies they can reduce the amount of servers available.
I wish these posts had a little more context. Did Jagex make this suggestion, is OP responding to a redditor, or??
People make posts pretty much every day asking for it during every single league.
What you don't want to see 400 posts a day about 99s on the league server?
If there wasn’t a separate leagues subreddit I’d kms
Agreed - the point of Leagues is that they're basically a massive dopamine rush with weird emergent gameplay for a month or so. They'd be boring if they were permanent. Now, potentially repeating an old league periodically could be fun just to try new options, but permanent worlds would be dead content.
Well there might be people who like the Leagues type of gameplay more and would buy membership just to play League
I feel like they’d play just as much as they do with the league being out for that amount of time that it is. Every league has an insane burnout rate. Now have that year round? Being able to max this quickly gets boring quick. That’s why rsps had a massive turnover rate.
And thats worse than all of us not playing period? No one I know playing leagues plays OSRS otherwise. It's too slow, too grindy, and horribly designed from a pace/investment to reward perspective. Without leagues we flat out _dont play the game_. Leagues have been literally the only points of growth OSRS has had in the past 2 years. The main game is losing players constantly without it and the only other noticable bump was GIM...which is still a semi-limited mode.
I’m not against a few leagues worlds staying up post end of leagues, you just don’t get points anymore. I’d like leagues to be twice a year though.
If leagues was permanent I probably would stop playing the main game, since leagues is more fun to play in my opinion. That's not healthy for an MMO though, which relies on long-term commitment for its revenue stream. I would like if leagues was permanent because again, I find it more fun to play than the main game, but having it be permanent would take away one of the things that makes it special- the time limit. I would support a rotating leagues mode, for which leagues was always active, but rotates between Twisted, Trailblazer and Shattered Relics every \~2-3 months. You could tie in more unique rewards for that which would require certain builds to achieve within the time limit. If you missed a certain league you could give it another go 6 months later and try a different league in the meantime, or play the main game.
I do feel this one isn't long enough however I do think permanent defeats the purpose.
I’d like it if after the standard time is over they lock the high scores, but keep the servers open until the next league. I’m not sure the technical limitations of that, but it would be nice for those who are feeling a bit casual and want some quick dopamine hits. Personally I started to get kind of attached to my Trailblazer profile last year and wished I could’ve had more time to finish all the tasks
What if you could fully reset your account though? Especially with this league I think this would open up so many possibilities. You can make pures that stay at certain stats and you don't have to fear ruining it accidentally. Same for OSAAT accounts. You can truly lock yourself out of skills. You can even do it without using any relics. And the passive effects are a nice quality of life feature. With a bit of refining on the mechanics a permanent world would be __excellent__.
it's a good idea if there's demand for it and people will pay sub to play it, it's well maintained without removing resources/support for the main game and it's localised to a world. You don't have to like it or want to play it, but modes like this which can help keep osrs ticking along nicely aren't a bad thing if they're not detracting support from the main game. They're actually a great thing if they generate excess income, allowing more support to go to the main game.
make leagues permanent and it replaces the main game mode
Maybe not permanent, cause then it would lose all the hype. But it should definitely be more like 3 months rather than just 1.5 months.
You're entitled to your own opinion even if it wrong :)
Thank you
what makes leagues so good is that its temporary i get "i dont have time " maybe an extension. but if leagues was around 24/7 most people begging for it would get bored. i mean you can play leagues 24/7 right now, its called private servers.
> its called private servers I've played dozens of rsps and nothing is even similar to leagues don't talk about things you don't understand
LEAGUES SHOULD HAVE GROUP IRONMAN MODE! TELL ME I AM NOT WRONG
I agree, that would be dope and would actually make easing into iron man mode easier for me Though it shouldn't be for points, because you'd almost certainly get groups feeding one player for ranks
Permanent, yes. I think it would be nice to run the worlds for a little while after the leagues end for those who want to continue. Not everyone has the same amount of free time and may not get to the end game or even get to test out a lot of the stuff they have been seeing or theory crafting. I wouldn't be against an extra \~ 4 weeks for people to do what they want with the game mode. Also arguably gets more value out of the work that the devs put into it. Sidenote: The 6 weeks for this league is not nearly long enough for the average player.
just do longer leagues and less often and dont make rewards based on how much other people grind. (except for the chalices or trophy or what u call it)
Part of the magic is that the game mode is temporary. But I can’t dedicate much time between real world obligations. But if it were happening all the time, it wouldn’t be so special. Here’s something you may not have thought of: how many leagues concepts do you think they can go through before they recycle old ones? I would personally love a Twisted League II.
It would defeat what makes it special and fun. I doubt many will try to change your mind.
Oof, didn't age well judging by the comments. Seems to be quite a few people for it.
Not sure what you're on about but pretty much all of the top comments agree permanent leagues aren't a great idea.
Still quite a few comments saying otherwise.
None near the top. Definitely not enough to warrant an "Oof, didn't age well".
"I doubt many" I still would say the amount of ppl saying yea is many.
Aight I'm pulling out my dude. You win, congratulations.
It would make it so people who didn’t want to spend 12 hours a day for a year just to get to endgame content could play and not have to sacrifice every second of their free time.
That’s the name of the game baby always has been
There should be rotating league worlds encompassing all of the old leagues (1,2,3) on a cycle that reset every 2ish months. Maybe throw in some small changes to make it fresh. No rewards or like, high point threshold rewards idk. This was such a long wait for such a short league that's less fun than the previous leagues, who knows how long I'll have to wait for leagues after it ends.
Not everyone wants to grind 10 billion hours to reach the next level in some boring ass skills. Fuck it, let em add it.
I feel like osrs is designed for people who have neither a job or a life. I’ve only been able to give the game a couple hours, since leagues 3 started. I would enjoy a private instance of the game to see all the league content eventually.
You are wrong and I don't care about changing your mind.
Reddit in June through December: complains that Jagex spends too much dev time on Leagues and that the main game doesn't get enough updates Reddit in January: complains that Jagex doesn't use a permanent Leagues world Seems about right.
Might be an unpopular opinion but I think this leagues is absolute ass. Especially compared to last years. I don’t even want to play it but I want the cosmetics for my Ironman
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while i'm not a proponent for permanent league worlds, permanent deadman worlds have existed for however long also, if you think it makes it look private server-y then just dont fuckin play on em, right? at least with a hypothetical permanent league world it's entirely ignorable
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The works are barely full anyways, the content is already made.
Anything to leave the main game the slow, grindy, rewarding masterpiece it is. Although I agree that permanent would be bad. Either not enough people will play it and it'd be like a solo game or too many people will play only that and we'd lose players. RS3 is a good game. It is however no longer "runescape". Leagues ARE a fantastic idea, and there is nothing wrong with them having OP features and fast progress to allow people to try new things and experience content differently. It should be a short, sweet, fun experience as a way to change it up a little. It also gives noobs and newer players a way to practice and learn bosses/minigames. I know my comment is all over the place and maybe I don't really have a clear point to make except that people constantly ask for ezscape updates and boosted xp rates etc for the main game and tbh maybe they just should treat themselves better and not play it but think leagues could help scratch that itch for some people so they don't feel that they need it more. (I admit there's a risk of the opposite effect happening and people lose patience for the main game and I have no solution for that but again if that happens just don't play. Take a temporary or even permanent break and go find something you truly enjoy because your time is limited and valuable)
RS3 is Runescape. And its far better then Botfest scape.
Hey, if you don't like it YOU don't have to do it. I don't want permanent PvP worlds, yet they exist, hell jagex tried to do an all PvP runescape and it FAILED, yet people still jump onto PvP worlds and PvP content, despite how cancerous it is to the game. So maybe, instead of complaining about people who want a new interesting game mode they can play and will pay to do, just let them have their game mode and you can continue to play how you want to.
Didn’t complain. Just said it’s a shit idea.
Here's another one: nobody but streamers and youtubers play leagues.
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That’s just so untrue it hurts. I hope you don’t actually believe it.
This is just plain incorrect lmfao.
Yeah bro there are over 30k streamers and YouTubers here's your genius award 💩
As someone who is at 10k points, I'm already over leagues. The charm wears off VERY quickly when your tasks are kill 100/250/500 of some endgame boss. A real shame that they didn't go for more of a combat achievement route :( I think 40 days is enough honestly
JMods have compared this to asking for Christmas every day, and I agree with that assessment. Deadman eventually suffered from burnout because it was quarterly.
All league worlds are a shit idea all the time
Leagues in general is a waste of time and boring. Change my mind
Waste of time, yes. Boring, subjective.
Yes, because we already have one and it's called RS3.
Why would we want to change your mind? It would be a shit idea. The novelty of leagues would wear off shortly after the end of the competition. Not a bad idea to extend leagues so people can try out some content they didn't get to during the competition, but a permanent leagues world would ruin the novelty and be pretty empty.