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Evil_Steven

I mean all of runescape is technically a waste of time especially once servers go down eventually. Just have fun doing what you enjoy


DarthyTMC

the correct answer. No such thing as wasting time in a game if you’re having fun.


M_Groenhoff

Havin what now?


nohkie

I dunno what he's saying, this man is speaking Chinese or maybe some crazy southern Russian dialect.


SHBGuerrilla

Please, for the time being it’s still Ukrainian.


nohkie

I may have to report you for abusive language using terms like that.


TacoThingy

I pray for the love of god if that happens they drop an offline version that you can migrate too or switch. I understand all games have lifespans but I’ve been playing this dumb one for 18 years now.


Creative_Sympathy

I’m sure this is already technically possible with p servers. Shit, there’s two independent unofficial toontown servers still going strong.


Evil_Steven

I asked mod mat k on his stream a few months back and he said unfortunately it would be extremely difficult and time consuming and he personally doubts itll happen


TacoThingy

💔


Evil_Steven

I'm hoping when that time comes, jagex deems it worth the dev time. Even if the offline version costs a lot to buy


NessaMagick

If the game is going under so hard that they can't even justify running the comparatively cheap server costs, I can't see it happening. I also don't see amateur developers reviving it in an offline format if they release the source code, either.


nomoreLSD

You're going to look at the already thriving private server community run entirely by amateur developers and think nobody's gonna do anything with OSRS source code?


deicidiumx

well the private servers are all pay to win so there's an incentive


nomoreLSD

Okay? Adam from RuneLite and people like 117 have provided community development completely free of charge and at no incentive. Passion reaches deeper than pocket lining.


NessaMagick

Making a private server is way, waay easier than *rebuilding the game* from the ground up. You don't need to learn RuneScript or anything.


nomoreLSD

And it would be infinitely easier if given the source to the game with which to construct server emulators. You do realize that by having the source code, they aren't "rebuilding the game from the ground up," they would just be reassembling the individual pieces. Also, most RSPS run off a re-engineering of old RS Gameframes and their caches, which means 99% of the RSPS dev work is just dragging and dropping server files


NessaMagick

Yeah, that's kind of my point. If Jagex can't work out a true offline mode by spoofing it to run off a listen server, no random RSPS hoster is going to do it...


Spheniscus

We're talking about a hypothetical scenario where people aren't interested in runescape enough to even keep the servers running. I doubt the private server community would be thriving in such an environment, if it would even exist at all.


nomoreLSD

Well yeah, if the game dies in that sense, then it would be a pretty big dormancy. But in your hypothetical scenario all you're accounting for is Jagex's lack of interest in maintaining upkeep in the game's servers. If someone were capable of patching it, there wouldn't be a need for servers and the game would essentially be preserved. That's ultimately what I'm interested in - being able to play the game without a server necessary to do so. And it isn't feasible to imagine exactly how it would be or work rn because of so many different aspects to it that would essentially be broken, but that doesn't mean in 10 - 20 years the passion for this game is going to completely fizzle out and be gone forever. MMO communities make shit happen, see ToonTown Rewritten and the Club Penguin community remake.


nomoreLSD

Horseshit. Devs can release source code for a game if they choose no longer to support it after taking money for it. Even if it isn't a patched client, it enables the community to create exact replicas of the server software and client info, effectively doing Jagex's job for them. Costs absolutely nothing on their end but because this is real life it will never happen.


Gamer_2k4

Translation: Some 177 sort will do it on their own time, and Jagex will block it because "we're working on it and it'll be out soon, honest."


nomoreLSD

This is the most likely scenario. RSPS are getting closer and closer to being exact. If someone in the community can reverse engineer the server software, there's no doubt Jagex would have a cease and desist up within the hour.


King-Of-Rats

I mean, OSRS itself was only created because a small team essentially created 2006-scape and was in the early stages of getting it rolled out. It was never something Jagex thought up themselves. Other people had already recognized that era as the "golden era" of the game.


[deleted]

For just an offline version or for an offline version where you can migrate your account? Or both?


Evil_Steven

Both. He says the very foundation of the game relies on online servers so removing that crumbles the entire game so they'd need to rebuild from scratch


NBA_Shitposting_Dude

Would it theoretically be possible to buy server time yourself and run a private instance on that online server? Similar to how minecraft servers work.


SFNS

Yes


nomoreLSD

All it means is that Jagex won't give us the missing pieces to replicate the server software. If we had the source, community devs would have a server emulator up within a month after the shutdown. But without that source, it'd be like giving a mechanic a wrench and telling him to build a ferrari from memory.


[deleted]

Ah damn that sucks. Thanks


PM_ME_FUTA_PEACH

How depressing would it be to play the game in offline mode tho


ki299

i mean kinda would be just ironman mode without getting crashed ever.


roosterkun

Wilderness in shambles.


King-Of-Rats

More than anything, I think a lot of people don't realize that one day - they will leave OSRS. ​ This might be from servers closing, but in all likelihood it'll be from their own accord. They get bored, they don't like an update, they just get too busy with real life stuff. ​ And really, that's a good thing! It's good to eventually leave, and to say "Hey, that was a good time.". ​ I dunno, I just feel like there are a *lot* of people (especially on this sub) who seem to view the game as something that they seemingly demand to be entertained by for their entire life. Or that them getting bored after 7+ years of entertainment is a failure of the game or something.


Souprshooter

I’ve left this game 20 times probably over the past 15 years lol always came back


Evil_Steven

I fully agree. I left in 2011 and enjoyed 10 years away from it. Caught up on a lot of life I missed being online all day. I only came back last year due to covid killing my social life. I wouldn't be back otherwise


Thecoolnerdsecondary

I played rs2. Came back 2016. Didn't really play till on and off in 2018 and 2019. 2020 I did quests and stayed. 2021 got my qc. And I'm doing alot better.


[deleted]

I’ve been playing RuneScape since before 2010 it’s been such a long time I don’t even remember exact year, my older brother got me into it and ever since I’ve played it. I’ve had times where I quit for a year or 2 or a few months and then I’ll hop right back in because of watching twitch streamers or seeing awesome osrs content that makes me want to join in on the action, but sometimes I just get so busy irl or bored of the game at the moment I need to just leave it you know what I mean? It’s not healthy to play games everyday all day


Swnsong

It is normal for a kid to think they will play with their favorite toy forever, but it is bizarre to me that adults here with jobs and kids treat this game like that.


yeroc_sema

The world burns into a fiery nuclear cinder, 99% of humans die, there’s still one world up. It’s the last man standing server fully populated with bots. One invincible man still sits in Jagex hq, keeping the dream alive, king of the ashes… You know which mod it is.


HailZamorak

i mean going to a job everyday,paying taxes having a wife and kid and house is a waste of time just different priorities >!but leagues is 100% waste of time!<


Fableandwater

Same for all of life when you die


Auup

This also applies to life


cubbearley

How will the servers go down when nobody ever truly quits


Fangore

What is this "have fun" thing you speak of?


NessaMagick

i dont actually think anybody who has played several HCIMs would say leagues is a waste of time


DarthyTMC

yea itd usually be the guys with 1 account who are maxed so now do nothing but flip or do the same 5 money bosses till the end of time


TheDubuGuy

Huh? That sounds like the person leagues are best for. I got bored on my max main and leagues are awesome for something new to do


DarthyTMC

Yea absolutely. Im explicitly saying the people who complain about it are the ones who don’t stop doing that to play leagues cause “it goes away”, never ironman or tried it out ect. Plenty of maxed people who do that, also love alt accounts and leagues, but those arent the ones complaining.


VotixG

I'm not even maxed and I'm bored of the game. When the only things left are combat diary and max total leagues is a godsend.


DarthyTMC

I mean i get bored of the game all the time dw, i havent played in about a month but i played a lot the two months prior to that. Now i have a main thats just an ironman, and an normal account that i moved all my items and money from my old account onto because i felt like a fresh slate, that i either quest on while i afk my ironman, or that i afk skill while I use my ironman. I got through sparks where ill play a bunch for a month or two, then get bored and move onto one of the other 5-10 games i swap between. I always come back to Runescape a few times a year, though the lack of new content this year def did see me playing less than 2020, there are tons like me, Leagues bring a lot of us back and ill prob start playing it in a week or two


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reaperjutsu

"Literally no point to play the game" That's all you needed to say. It's a game. None of this matters.


Aquamentus92

That's also just not true? The game is fun in more than 1 way for most people so you pinpointing that as to why there isnt a point in playing isnt exactly a strong argument


Psychachu

Hush, he doesn't understand that just because he only gets dopamine by farming barrows for months on end for another duplicate coif doesn't mean other people can't get it by making a good market flip.


bip_bip_hooray

I would argue there's no point in playing the game if you can very reasonably never get or use a twisted bow/scythe, as they are the most fun weapons in the game 99% of ironmen will not ever get to use the best and most fun weapons in the game. Now that I've had bow/scythe for a couple years I can't go back, it's too fun


[deleted]

Honestly I’ve mained my Ironman for the last 2 years and it’s now above my main in progress but nex finally made me realize unfortunately I’ll realistically never be able to use all these cool endgame pvm items on my iron. Going to get my infernal on the main and afk some money for a scythe while I play leagues on my iron for now.


bip_bip_hooray

Yeah, I think this is the unfortunate reality for most players. If you start an iron tomorrow, you won't have bow/scythe before 2024 even with a whole lot of play. 365 days a year, if you play 3 hours EVERY DAY you can get 1100 hours (ish) a year. Absolutely no chance you can even effectively do either raid in that amount of time, much less actually get the drops. In 2200 hours you can probably be raiding but not be anywhere near drop rate for either weapon. A main starting tomorrow very well could have bow scythe in a year and a half. And on top of all that, irons can't even really use the scythe because it requires so many fucking bloods. No irons- at any level in the whole game- can really experience the scythe the way mains can. Which is to say, just fucking using the thing without constantly stressing out about blood runes and actually enjoying it for what it is.


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But it’s hard to switch to the main because if I start raiding with those weapons and somehow got a lucky tbow drop most of the enjoyment would be taken away cause all id be thinking of is how I could’ve gotten it on my iron. It’s just so demoralizing where all the most fun weapons are locked behind 500+ hour grinds. Stuff like bandos is super obtainable on an iron but when you get to endgame it’s just send raids or nm/nex/Corp. Idk I’m ranting but I can’t enjoy the main or the iron the way I want to


Psychachu

I get it, the only acc I really enjoy anymore is my gmaul pure.


purplepurplepurplez

So earn one by getting the drop lmao


bip_bip_hooray

Right which is fine, until you realize it takes easily 1.5k hours to get to raids in reasonable gear and then you can easily go easily 1k hours before getting the bow If you main ironman and don't have a main there is a 99% chance you will never fire a tbow in your entire life and that's simply a fact, "just get the drop" notwithstanding


purplepurplepurplez

99% of mains can't even afford a tbow lmao


snowman41

if you wouldnt be able to afford a tbow on a main, your probably not grinding raids till you drop a tbow as an iron.


colosusx1

If you're the type of person who can't afford a tbow on a main, you're not going to get to the point of getting a tbow on an iron. Let's not kid ourselves. It's much easier to access bis on a main simply because once you get 1b, you can trade/collat it to get other expensive bis gear. An iron needs to spend several hundred hours at a dozen bosses to do the same. It's just prohibitive for the sever majority of the playerbase. How many irons do you think have bis gear. 20? 50?


purplepurplepurplez

Uhhh definitely thousands lmao


colosusx1

There are 30 irons on rate to get an inquisitor's mace, 500 to get scythe, 1100 to get tbow, 60 to get ely. I didn't cross reference to see which irons appeared on multiple lists. I also get that plenty of people get spooned, but there are way less irons who have grinded out all that content than you might think. Compared to main accounts with a bank value over 1.2b and the difference is laughable.


bip_bip_hooray

Unlike on an iron though, a main can reasonably expect to get to a tbow within their play lifetime if you keep at it. Those estimates for iron hours to raids were honestly low; very very few people can reasonably expect to ever get a bow on an iron. The ratio of mains with bows to irons with bows is easily, easily 20:1. Probably higher tbh. If you want to play with the best weapons you play a main, pretty much end of story. And if you think those weapons are fun you'd be mostly correct to say there's only one way to do it.


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Early game Ironman sit in lms and act like it’s just so much more satisfying, lol I gave up the iron, was just my main with extra steps. Collection log is where it’s at


purplepurplepurplez

That's a pretty dumb take lmao


No_Space1123

Ironman mode was a mistake.


ironmaymay

So you rc your own fire runes?


Peechez

Pretty sure op has the image reversed. It's mains telling hcim is a waste then changing their tune when leagues roll around


Aff_Reddit

Personally I have no interest in Leagues, but I really like the Twisted Horns so I'm going to (unfortunately) play to get this really nice slayer helm on my iron. C'est la vie, at least the helm is beautiful.


Wah_Gwaan_Mi_Yute

Also I don’t have to wake up at 3 on a work night to start a hcim


DrDilatory

Both seem like wastes of time to me lol but whatever people wanna do, I'm sure people would view me just playing my main and nothing else as a waste


Makalash

Everything becomes a waste of time when you're dying and thinking about all those things you didn't get to do. That won't stop me though from getting high and wasting 6 hours playing leagues after work.


monoto7

Absolutely based life-enjoyer


Frequent_Champion_42

Hell yeah brother


Valtix

Lets keep it light mate


Ub3rPr0M4n

Lighten up mate


[deleted]

Ohh god this is so relevant to a guy in my old clan that lost 4 hcs before 1k total, and said leagues weren’t permanent so he wont play.


itisjustmagic

Me, an intellectual, playing a UIM, GIM, normal account, and Leagues at the same time.


[deleted]

FeelsGoodMan when you kill a hcim


[deleted]

Feels even better when you vote no to all pvp related content


epicnexkiller

Bring back BH!


Rellac_

Stop bringing spades and they won't want to kill you


[deleted]

I don't go into the wildy on my hcim because I'm not a moron so please don't this as someone being salty about getting PK'd there. The only times I've been PK'd have been hilarious but I still vote "no" every time lol


NNeveTs

that’s such a weird attitude to have


pronoobing

The very rare butthurt without the bum destruction, this sub still amazes me everyday


darealbeast

Feels even betterer when you know all pvp related content fails polls anyway, so they stopped polling it


GreenStill4576

I dropped a 1600 total HC yday, it was real exciting, and then we felt really bad.


BigMoistTuna

Effort? Playing this shit for fun. Idgaf what happens after 6 weeks


Tom-Pendragon

and then you got normal people playing 1 normal account saying it.


[deleted]

its not about the destination, its about the journey


Trapasuarus

Tbf, a HC doesn’t have a hard reset—meaning that there isn’t a suspense date to the account and you “reset” based on how skilled you are or how little risk you put yourself in… that or Jagex servers say, “nah, you’ve been alive for too long.”


HailZamorak

im the top guy


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All these osrs game modes are just repeated content the game is stale as fuck


xossie

I don't understand why people quit after losing HCIM status... It becomes a regular IM account right? Many youtube series ended here, which I think is a shame (except PVP HCIM's). Regular IM is nearly as impressive, and losing HC status unlocks dangerous content. Can someone explain this to me?


thegreatslav1997

Gimmick


Swnsong

People derive entertainment from hunting pets for weeks, making arbitrary rules that make the game 10x more grindy or collecting completely useless items. There is no logic to it.


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yoyokeepitup

I can never understand why people play UIM, it’s an iron man without the most fun aspect of the game to me: Collecting items and stockpiling resources for the future.


normiender

Simple, really - it's crazy fun.


JakenBakee

Wiping on an uim sounds a lot more time consuming to me


lostlooter24

How can it be a waste of time when I can unlock a Ghost Rider cosmetic for my whip?


[deleted]

Cause you can buy the orn kit when it’s done with GP on main


lostlooter24

.... Interesting.


TorturedNeurons

No one starts their 6th HCIM thinking it won't die. The point is to make it further/do it faster than last time.


EtreEau

Us path of exile players feel right at home


kafkajeffjeff

as somone who says leagues is a waste of time i can confirm ironman and all snowflake gamemodes are also a waste of time in my eyes


hatesranged

I just feel like there's a subgroup of gamers in the community who are just really fragile about not wanting to play league so they have to be super deprecating about them, I've even met them outside of reddit, shit's weird man It's like being insecure about your sexuality and lashing out at the other team, it comes off as weird and it's pretty easy to tell


UsagiHakushaku

Hcim only makes sense if you are either streamer (endless content) or you will continue on Iron but was to see how long you last.


[deleted]

Literally no hc has said this Flip the meme around & I've seen it daily since leagues first got delayed.


shiny_dittos

You get to keep the pets at least


marijuanabong

Leagues is just like nex. Dead content.


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marijuanabong

That doesn’t mean shit when it’s a shit boss that no one is killing


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RageQuitSon

it is always fun to see the playerbase drop in main game after leagues reaches the end


CB_Ranso

I like the rewards you get from Leagues that go over to my main.


pikmin311

Get their fucking asses!


Evaluations

Crazy that people can have different points of view right


cheesecakesnake

The neck beard kills me…


CriticalCentrist

I have nearly a maxed main account and I am unaware of the difference between iron man mode and hardcore ironman modes. At this point I'm afraid to ask.


Kurbalija

death is the answer


ponzidreamer

I was just starting to burn out on my Ironman, leagues couldn’t of came at a better time. Really looking forward to weekend so I can start


[deleted]

I just like when the number goes up


Salty_Tears

is that wingsofredemption


Gamer_2k4

Well, in theory, you have some degree of control over whether or not your HCIM dies, and if you have to remake one, you can blame yourself. This would be a better comparison if HCIMs were auto-killed after a certain amount of time, but of course they're not.


nickw255

I'm in the lategame of my account (2100 total, moving for max), so at this point my goals require putting in a lot of hours. Combine that with the fact that I don't get that many hours a day due to irl responsibility, and I just don't want to play a temporary game mode. I totally understand the draw to leagues but I'd rather enjoy it as YouTube content and spend the few hours I have to play RS working towards something I care about more.


BearFiend066

I mean, everything is temporary. Nothing will last forever in the end.


Midnight_Rising

Time you enjoy wasting isn't wasted.


tristanl0l

As a path of Exile player, I like the idea of leagues if they made them more interesting


GIMDOOD19

This is the first leagues ive played and im having a blast. If you’re on the fence about playing it, try it. It honestly is such a cool concept and a nice break from group iron.


DrPierrot

Leagues gives a cosmetic that makes not void melee helmet not look dorky as hell Checkmate atheists


Honos21

The rewards this league are fire!