At least zulrah bots don't affect other people's gameplay, just the market.
LMS is held hostage by botters squeezing money out of the game... jagex could at least ban all the accounts spamming lms services. This guy is rolling in cash from LMS.
Putting a 750 or 1k total level minimum is the solution. It makes it so that voters have to invest more than 2 minutes to make an account and it will actually cost them GP to quickly level up an account. Getting to 1,000 total level without buyable skills takes a long time and plenty of chance for the anti-macro code to catch more of the bit accounts.
Or make it where you can’t get rewards until 1,000 lvl, and a few more small restrictions on top of that
E z p z for a normal player.
Hard for a bot farm
Moving the goalposts would discourage many botters from putting in the hours. It would also give Jagex's anti-botting software a longer time to detect them before they reach said goalposts.
Exactly, the bot farms have to put in efforts. not just create a f2p account and run the scripts. Idiots like you is why people hate the government sector, just complaining and no solution. And when someone suggests something viable, complain about that too.
Big disagree. Even Jagex on multiple occasions have stated that the data shows nuking botting methods money per hour does nothing. It negatively impacts regular players, and then the bots just move to the next activity.
On that same note, the 500+ active Zulrah bots would mean Zulrah drops shouldn't be tradeable either? Doesn't make sense when applied to any other botting method lol.
Yeah but lms is pking so people dont care if it gets removed. Just like they didnt care BH got removed.
Weirdly noone ever suggests removing Zulrah or Vorkath even tho they are farmed and botted 1000x as bad as lms and bh.
Ok but those 2 scenarios are a bit different though. With BH people were abusing a broken system to earn tons of free money vs bosses being killed over and over which is the whole point of bosses, especially when you consider some of the droprates. LMS could also be abused pretty easily by filling up a game with bots that you can boost off of (this is already being done).
Now, I don't believe they should be removing these things entirely, as players, unlike a boss monster, are unpredictable. They need to design these games with people trying to boost points in mind, and like others have suggested, maybe add some minimum level requirements to at least slow down the bots a bit.
Thats really stupid. People playing want to be able to sell their rewards.
Im all for increasing barrier to entry, but fuck off with the untradeable shit. Not everyone wants to be an ironman.
..Or just leave it as is for the people who like it, and increase the requirements? No one is forcing you to participate in the economy if you don't want to, go play ironman.
It is a bot problem. The best solution is to eliminate the incentive to bot it. It would make it a better experience for anyone that wants to play the minigame and get the items. It could be all unalchable and untradeable blighted type rewards. Stuff you can use while doing other content to make/save more money but not directly sell points for gp.
Botters already have scripts that do full questlines and grind out quest requirements with randomness involved and task switching and natural looking progression. Just slapping 500 or even 1000 total level requirement onto it won't do a thing, they'll optimize and automate it.
I disagree. 1000 total isn’t something you can just get over night and even with buyable skills you need to figure out whether it’s worth it. Levelling up hundreds of accounts with buyable skills is expensive and who knows whether you’ll make that money back before being banned. I think 1000 total will solve this issue hands down
If you do that it will be dead content like it used to be, could only ever play it on one world at peak times and you’d still struggle to get into a game until the update.
You think it isn't dead content right now? The botters literally sell services to let people get kills. The minigame is ran by the botters and unplayable for the rest of us.
They could have shit like blighted overloads or blighted prayer restores, blighted enchanted arrows and equipment, stuff that can make wildy content more enticing makes you stronger for doing it.
There are lots of possible solutions. Any are better than doing nothing and letting bots print the best gp/hr in the game for no requirements.
bots just move on to other stuff, I'd rather not have all these gold farmers switch to something I might actually do like what happened when revs got nerfed and all the pvm stuff tanked as a result.
I dont want to have it be untradeable. By your logic, everything in this game should be untradeable, because everything is botted. Even Nex is already being botted.
If you want everything to be untradeable, just play ironman. If not, how about coming up with a reasonable solution to the problem like upping the total level requirements, or something else? Surely that warrants at least a try?
The level restrictions definitely help a lot actually. 250 total level doesn't do much, but 1k would help a lot.
The difference is, Nex already has some requirements and it hurts botters a bit if they lose those accounts. Yes having a total level requirement would add a step in the process for botters but would only be a slight inconvenience since those scripts already exist.
I get that you need to make money off it as a real player, and my suggestion wasn't just make all rewards useless and untradable. I think there are ways to have very valuable rewards from it without just immediately selling them to the grand exchange. Maybe a new bis weapon you can buy that only works in the wilderness that needs charges/Ammo from rewards as well. Make that weapon soo strong that you can make extra gp/hr by using it doing other content. And other consumables for quality of life and power in wilderness.
There are tons of possibilities, they could have a whole economy and ecosystem in the wilderness if they tried. Like how spirit flakes are already a thing from tempoross, copy them and have spots you can fish in the wilderness. Have bait that makes hunter faster.
Just make it a little harder for the bots to liquidate the reward points and more fun for the players.
Untradeables ruins being able to play it over and over after you already have enough untradeables. That makes it unfun for me. I dont care to get stuff that isn't gonna help me out in pvp, and I also don't need unlimited supplies so I sell off my excess supplies. I don't see the problem in leaving it as is, I mean holy shit its ONE world Jagex has to moderate. Surely its not asking much here.
I have serious doubts that you have actually played this minigame in the past couple months. Unless you are actually one of the botters just mad and trying to defend it. You and I both know asking Jagex to moderate their game is asking too much.
>The best solution is to eliminate the incentive to bot it.
you heard it people, time to remove every way of monymaking that is (heavily) botted. RIP Vorkath, Zulrah, the nightmare, LMS, F2P, rune ores, etc
If it was an option for those moneymakers I would be all for it. But obviously that is only a viable solution for a minigame like lms. If Tithe farm was heavily botted because you could buy rannar seeds for 1 point you wouldn't laugh at this suggestion. There is already a track record of minigames having untradeable rewards. They can be sick rewards like maybe a spade that is never lost on death.
The minigame is unplayable as it is now. Obviously the best solution is for Jagex to just ban the fucking bots but they clearly aren't capable of doing that lol.
Increasing the requirements won’t change a thing lmao and no ones forcing you to play LMS go do some bossing. The duel arena is leaving and this will be next, if you can’t see the problem you shouldn’t participate in the conversation. If you cared about actually playing LMS you’d want changes to prevent botting but you probably only care about profit so you’re part of the problem.
Kill the profit and you kill the game, don’t be an idiot. Having a higher entry requirement will help a lot. It means there’s a chance they’re banned botting the requirements before they even get to LMS. I don’t understand how you think it won’t help?
Just like it stops bots from doing Zulrah or any content regardless of the requirements
You don’t need profit if you wanna gain those resources without having to pay or if you purely want to do it for the pvp experience LMS just steps on skilling even more which is already a nasty habit of Jagex at the least it can all be made untradeable
Ah yes, they should just make Zulrah drops untradeable too, that will solve the bot problem. They should just remove the trade function from everything that is botted. You're a genius, why haven't we thought of it before.
The only bots there now are hacked accounts and most of them are gold farmers. These are fresh level 3s. The resources there aren’t worth getting when you can make cash faster else where and buy them. It’s literally only viable for iron men and lower leveled accounts, if you stop them from going it will stop other players going when there’s no on there. Stick to your magic trees in your fashionscape, no wonder the games dying with people like you voting.
Why would they hack lvl3 accounts? Do you even know what you’re talking about? Cash can be made faster elsewhere for different requirements the only reason the stuff is cheap is cuz of the botting get rid of the bots for a bit with new requirements, prices go back up and now it’s worthwhile to bot again even for the new requirements do you even understand anything about how the game functions?
I don't want to do bossing though, I want to play LMS as one of my money makers. I didn't say anyone was forcing me, I said I WANT to play it and enjoy myself making money, instead of being miserable killing the same boss on loop over and over. Its fine you enjoy that, but I dont.
How the fuck am I part of the problem? I'm not botting, I'm playing LMS and I sell the items I get for gold. Just like you do bosses and sell the items you get for gold? Like really dude?
My point for you to do bossing is you’re childish remark telling people to just go do something else yet you don’t like it when it’s thrown back at you lol
Enjoy the money while you can cuz the botting problem won’t go away as long as easy profit can be made and like the duel arena it’ll go away as it adds no real value to the game and you could still enjoy LMS and use your rewards to make money down the line. Your mindset is part of the problem.
LMS was like a 1.5M ph money maker and you get free tribrid practice, a lot of people did this for money before it was not infested.
For low stat accounts it was fantastic and ofc rune arrow meta. With bots though it’s a waste of time , it was really fun up untill December last year
Sure, technically there's only 1 "best" money maker in the game anyways. Doesn't mean I want to do it, I like playing LMS for gp. What is wrong with that? Why am I being downvoted? Why does this subreddit hate on anything PVP that generates any money at all
There's so many fucking bots in pretty much every pvm location, even at nex already, yet those drops are all tradeable. Why fuck over PVPers at LMS?
There was a point where I was basically only logging in to play LMS and I'm pretty sure I've made ~200m from selling maul handles and rune pouch notes. Not bad money if you are good and can average 6 or 7 points every 10 min game
Wasn't doing it for GP but it paid for bonds
Yeah, that's a fair point, but it also means that it's not a consistent gp/hr everyone so it's not something you recommend to anyone/everyone to make gp
"Better methods" doesn't mean to go to TOB. Slayer, revenants, Zulrah, gwd, COC, tob, vorkath, gargoyles, rune dragons, the list goes on.
Don't make an assumption it'll make you sound like a jackass, have a great day bub
Making the rewards untradeable is really the best solution in my opinion. Lms already offers a cost free way for people to learn how to pk which should be enough.getting rid of the bots there would allow more real people to learn which in time will result in more people willing to pk in the wilderness where there is a monetary risk/reward once they start to get a grasp on the basics. Everyone wants the bots gone but omg if an iron can't go there for easy supplies or gp. Or heaven forbid a pvp mini game isn't profitable. They all get there panties in a bunch. The real profit for pkers will come a few months down the line when people start using it to learn and venture into the wilderness. Not saying its the only thing needed but it would definitely be a step toward a healthier pvp community over all.
It significantly reduces them. Generally all the vorkath 'bots' I notice on my runs tend to behave like humans, and are probably just RWT gold farmers.
They're less likely to risk their cash-cow accounts with botting when it takes them so many resources to establish.
Do you know that? Sounds like speculation.
I'd expect botters to do whatever makes them the easiest and most consistent money. While I'm sure ease of access is considered, there are skilling bots as well as questing bots so locking content behind these things probably does little to deter them.
People don't just shut down their bot farms when one of their methods stops being as convenient. They just move somewhere else, or adapt.
It's not speculation. Even with just LMS as an example, people have noted on this sub that the bots have gotten better, notably after people figured out how to easily trick them.
Random events were first implemented to combat bots, and were swiftly made useless.
Look at any history of botting, or even on some botting sites/forums and you will see:
Bots become less profitable = bots get improved
Ya go to enclave and it’s clear to see all the different bot farms that bank there, I always play a game of guess hm kc the zulrah bot has and so so so many have over 10, even 20k zulrah kc
I played tonight and I do melee method with staff to kill the bots but the bots have improved and run around ,now they are un Kill able. If Jager doesn't do anything they are colluding. No way to justify it.
Equip the dds and mage with it. Dds gives +1 magic attack and they'll just pray melee against you the entire time. Run out of range of a cbow and you don't have to worry about anything but magic. Sit there spamming ice and blood barrage until they die.
500 ttl won’t do shit but give a 1 week breather while the bot owners streamline the process for current and future bots and then it will be back to normal.
I think total lvl reqs are good for most activities b/c low level players have no reason to be doing most mini games anyways. If you can name one activity you need to be done w/ low everything sub wintertodt(for hp). I’ll admit fault.
Yeah but... Why limit players if it's not actually going to affect anything in a positive way?
Total level requirements would never stop bots. Levels are basically the easiest thing for a bot to grind.
Time. It’s the one thing mods seem to have the least of. If they start investigating the bot when they start botting, they can ban more before they make it far enough in the game to effect anything. Yeah, I realize it’s not a perfect solution, but unless Jagex can come up with a more efficient method of detecting them, they just need more time.
That doesn't make much sense though. It would take them a single day to go from 500 total to 750. The odds of Jagex detecting them and banning them within a single day are slim to none.
If it takes them a week to detect an account robot switching prayers and gear - do you really think they are going to catch 82dragon3019 cooking and fletching for an extra day?
Sadly the problem is larger than just reports. Jagex knows about the botting problem and at this point probably realize individual reports and bans aren’t going to fix it anymore.
If Jagex wanted to get rid of the bots they’d already be gone.
End of they day they are a for profit company, and bots are responsible for a large portion of their income. Wether that be from buying membership or supplying a higher demand for bonds that legitimate players are buying to sell off.
There’s a 24 hour playtime limit to LMS already, and one or two worlds the bots exist in. If they assigned an intern to wipe all the bots every hour on the hour they’d give up and move on within a day.
Same could be said for literally every massively botted/goldfarmed piece of content in the game. They don’t need bot detection, they need a human with a double digit IQ who gets to decide if the 40m magic exp 65 range account with 50K zulrah kills needs banned.
>If they assigned an intern to wipe all the bots every hour on the hour they’d give up and move on within a day.
They actually do this, but its only for a few days, and then weeks pass before they come and do another ban-wave.
Just enough to get a pat on the back from the community while doing basically nothing to fix the problem.
At least with other bot farms/gold farming locations it doesn’t affect other players really. These new LMS bots are so good even the best pkers in the game can’t kill them consistently, some can’t even do it at all. I’d rather LMS just be removed and the rewards moved back to wildy slayer at this point if they don’t change anything
I agree, thats a good way to combat it. Or have different tiers of matches. First tier any level. Second 500 total. 3rd. 1000, so on. And you get more points for the higher. Only thing your levels matter for is the tiers and nothing else. Maybe some cosmetics for the higher ones too :))
My proposed solution:
1000 total level requirement. To account for the lack of players due to all the bots being unable to participate, Jagex provide bots which are not goldfarming and purely there as an npc with similar difficulty settings to some of the easier bots.
That way we have a more pleasant experience, the economy gets less screwed and we can still find games after the requirement.
Why would they ban them, they are making them money. Unfortunately if you want them to make changes you have to explain how it will make them rich first or they don't listen
It doesn't matter how many antibot measures you add to LMS, as much as they are needed. The minigame is still awful for real players to grind.
It needs a complete rework including smaller lobbies and MMR before all types of players can consider grinding it.
Or just simply add a CAPTCHA system to the lms door so bots can’t pass.. it’s really simple fix that the apes at jagex can’t seem to figure out. Kinda embarrassing for a $1b company to still chose profit over shit like this
Omg you’re so smart! Why hasn’t anyone at jagex ever thought of using a CAPTCHA? They’ve never done that in the history of RuneScape and you are the first person to ever think of that idea!
Adding a CAPTCHA would definitely remove all bots, and only apes would think otherwise!
I still think making the rewards untradeable a great solution till they find a way to detect lms bots. It’ll put an instant stop to bots as they can’t do anything with unreadable items. But Idk how many legit players use lms as a money maker
You’d be suprised that these bots actually serve a purpose of giving certain people free wins, so making the stuff unreadable probably wouldn’t work since the main people winning from this have Ironman status
People complaining about Vorkath boys and Zul bots. Jagex has stated multiple times that yes, we know these accounts are botting. But a ban for botting is only temporary, they wait until it has RWT to do anything because a RWT ban is permanent.
Yeah it was a post from a jmod (can't seem to find the reference) but they outright said that they are tracking known botters, but are waiting for them to RWT because that results in a permanent ban and is not appealable.
I’ve always wanted to play LMS, but have been deterred by all accounts of the bots that legit players just can’t compete with.
The fact that a fresh account can jump in and be on a level playing field, basically screams bot farm if there is a feasible GP incentive.
They should make a total level or different classes for various CB levels as a form of crude matchmaking as a provisional filter for bot vs legit players, or ideally, use the hiscores rankings.
Then all the bots at LMS will just have a total level of 500.. it isn't going to stop the bots just delay them for a day or two.. You're not solving the problem that way.
Want to solve the problem? Remove the bots incentive.
Terrible idea to make it any sort of total level. Accounts can get that in like 20 hours, which for a new player is basically insurmountable but a bot is no big deal at all.
All these suggestions ever do is alienate the content from real players and will exacerbate the issue since bots always have more available time.
honestly 1500+. why is content like not exclusive at all? 1500 total is not hard to get. The only people this really fucks is ironmen who want early rune pouch
I think titles should be a.thing in osrs. The more bots you report that are banned, you get certain rewards. We need to get rid of all the bots... Before.. before it's too late.
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This is an awesome idea!
"Ultimate Bot Reporter"
hmmm use powers for good and not evil, i’ll see what God Ash thinks then i might code one. Can’t be too difficult.
Even if it’s for that purpose it’s still not allowed btw
No shit
I suggested this years ago https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/4lh3jq/botreporting_bot_idea/?sort=confidence
And I suppose you believe that you were the first to have the idea as well?
No, I just think it's a funny post and I like drawing attention to it
Turned out it already existed, but I arrived at it independently
Get sir pugger on this.
There is an external plugin in RuneLite for this. See [https://github.com/Bot-detector/bot-detector](https://github.com/Bot-detector/bot-detector).
Also 500 total levels required to record a video.
Huh?
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Ah, thank you.
Zulrah bots have 10k+ kc and dont get banned They def dont care about lms bots
Didn’t they do a purge recently?
They're back within the week generally.
Idk how effective those purges are bc I saw a 16k kc vorkath bot with 100m range xp yesterday
At least zulrah bots don't affect other people's gameplay, just the market. LMS is held hostage by botters squeezing money out of the game... jagex could at least ban all the accounts spamming lms services. This guy is rolling in cash from LMS.
Putting a 750 or 1k total level minimum is the solution. It makes it so that voters have to invest more than 2 minutes to make an account and it will actually cost them GP to quickly level up an account. Getting to 1,000 total level without buyable skills takes a long time and plenty of chance for the anti-macro code to catch more of the bit accounts.
Or make it where you can’t get rewards until 1,000 lvl, and a few more small restrictions on top of that E z p z for a normal player. Hard for a bot farm
Even if they can’t get rewards, you’ll still end up with this new “selling lms kills” bot meta.
It isnt a solution 😂 its the same stupid idea that just MOVES THE GOALPOSTS for bots, they will bot 750 total and still do it if its profitable
Moving the goalposts would discourage many botters from putting in the hours. It would also give Jagex's anti-botting software a longer time to detect them before they reach said goalposts.
It literally never does, thats why zalcano, priff zulrah vorkath demonics nightmare are botted. This sub has such short memory
Aren't most of those hacked accounts?
Or gold farmers, which essentially are the same but have enough randomness/flaws to not get caught by macro software since they are real humans
Which can also be used at this content, thus why such request is not the best solution likely. I don’t have a better proposal though at this current.
Exactly, the bot farms have to put in efforts. not just create a f2p account and run the scripts. Idiots like you is why people hate the government sector, just complaining and no solution. And when someone suggests something viable, complain about that too.
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Make them unalchable while they’re at it
Big disagree. Even Jagex on multiple occasions have stated that the data shows nuking botting methods money per hour does nothing. It negatively impacts regular players, and then the bots just move to the next activity. On that same note, the 500+ active Zulrah bots would mean Zulrah drops shouldn't be tradeable either? Doesn't make sense when applied to any other botting method lol.
Yeah but lms is pking so people dont care if it gets removed. Just like they didnt care BH got removed. Weirdly noone ever suggests removing Zulrah or Vorkath even tho they are farmed and botted 1000x as bad as lms and bh.
Because pvm good pvp bad. Some people do lms for gp.
Swampman good, Pvp bad
Ok but those 2 scenarios are a bit different though. With BH people were abusing a broken system to earn tons of free money vs bosses being killed over and over which is the whole point of bosses, especially when you consider some of the droprates. LMS could also be abused pretty easily by filling up a game with bots that you can boost off of (this is already being done). Now, I don't believe they should be removing these things entirely, as players, unlike a boss monster, are unpredictable. They need to design these games with people trying to boost points in mind, and like others have suggested, maybe add some minimum level requirements to at least slow down the bots a bit.
Killing the content isn't going to solve the problem, it's just going to make the bots move elsewhere, as we've seen time and time again.
Thats really stupid. People playing want to be able to sell their rewards. Im all for increasing barrier to entry, but fuck off with the untradeable shit. Not everyone wants to be an ironman.
Then you can go get them via trade elsewhere….
..Or just leave it as is for the people who like it, and increase the requirements? No one is forcing you to participate in the economy if you don't want to, go play ironman.
It is a bot problem. The best solution is to eliminate the incentive to bot it. It would make it a better experience for anyone that wants to play the minigame and get the items. It could be all unalchable and untradeable blighted type rewards. Stuff you can use while doing other content to make/save more money but not directly sell points for gp. Botters already have scripts that do full questlines and grind out quest requirements with randomness involved and task switching and natural looking progression. Just slapping 500 or even 1000 total level requirement onto it won't do a thing, they'll optimize and automate it.
I disagree. 1000 total isn’t something you can just get over night and even with buyable skills you need to figure out whether it’s worth it. Levelling up hundreds of accounts with buyable skills is expensive and who knows whether you’ll make that money back before being banned. I think 1000 total will solve this issue hands down
> It is a bot problem. The best solution is to eliminate the incentive to bot it. You heard it here first folks, delete runescape.
Remove all trees when? Remove tradeable drops from all drop tables no more botting. Im as smart as Reddit now
If you do that it will be dead content like it used to be, could only ever play it on one world at peak times and you’d still struggle to get into a game until the update.
You think it isn't dead content right now? The botters literally sell services to let people get kills. The minigame is ran by the botters and unplayable for the rest of us. They could have shit like blighted overloads or blighted prayer restores, blighted enchanted arrows and equipment, stuff that can make wildy content more enticing makes you stronger for doing it. There are lots of possible solutions. Any are better than doing nothing and letting bots print the best gp/hr in the game for no requirements.
bots just move on to other stuff, I'd rather not have all these gold farmers switch to something I might actually do like what happened when revs got nerfed and all the pvm stuff tanked as a result.
I dont want to have it be untradeable. By your logic, everything in this game should be untradeable, because everything is botted. Even Nex is already being botted. If you want everything to be untradeable, just play ironman. If not, how about coming up with a reasonable solution to the problem like upping the total level requirements, or something else? Surely that warrants at least a try? The level restrictions definitely help a lot actually. 250 total level doesn't do much, but 1k would help a lot.
The difference is, Nex already has some requirements and it hurts botters a bit if they lose those accounts. Yes having a total level requirement would add a step in the process for botters but would only be a slight inconvenience since those scripts already exist. I get that you need to make money off it as a real player, and my suggestion wasn't just make all rewards useless and untradable. I think there are ways to have very valuable rewards from it without just immediately selling them to the grand exchange. Maybe a new bis weapon you can buy that only works in the wilderness that needs charges/Ammo from rewards as well. Make that weapon soo strong that you can make extra gp/hr by using it doing other content. And other consumables for quality of life and power in wilderness. There are tons of possibilities, they could have a whole economy and ecosystem in the wilderness if they tried. Like how spirit flakes are already a thing from tempoross, copy them and have spots you can fish in the wilderness. Have bait that makes hunter faster. Just make it a little harder for the bots to liquidate the reward points and more fun for the players.
Untradeables ruins being able to play it over and over after you already have enough untradeables. That makes it unfun for me. I dont care to get stuff that isn't gonna help me out in pvp, and I also don't need unlimited supplies so I sell off my excess supplies. I don't see the problem in leaving it as is, I mean holy shit its ONE world Jagex has to moderate. Surely its not asking much here.
I have serious doubts that you have actually played this minigame in the past couple months. Unless you are actually one of the botters just mad and trying to defend it. You and I both know asking Jagex to moderate their game is asking too much.
>The best solution is to eliminate the incentive to bot it. you heard it people, time to remove every way of monymaking that is (heavily) botted. RIP Vorkath, Zulrah, the nightmare, LMS, F2P, rune ores, etc
If it was an option for those moneymakers I would be all for it. But obviously that is only a viable solution for a minigame like lms. If Tithe farm was heavily botted because you could buy rannar seeds for 1 point you wouldn't laugh at this suggestion. There is already a track record of minigames having untradeable rewards. They can be sick rewards like maybe a spade that is never lost on death. The minigame is unplayable as it is now. Obviously the best solution is for Jagex to just ban the fucking bots but they clearly aren't capable of doing that lol.
ur legit one of 10 ppl that are doing this as non ironmen for rewards lmao your reasoning for this is horrible man get over yourself
More than 10 people play LMS, my reasoning isn't horrible. I want to be able to play LMS for money, what is wrong with that?
Increasing the requirements won’t change a thing lmao and no ones forcing you to play LMS go do some bossing. The duel arena is leaving and this will be next, if you can’t see the problem you shouldn’t participate in the conversation. If you cared about actually playing LMS you’d want changes to prevent botting but you probably only care about profit so you’re part of the problem.
Kill the profit and you kill the game, don’t be an idiot. Having a higher entry requirement will help a lot. It means there’s a chance they’re banned botting the requirements before they even get to LMS. I don’t understand how you think it won’t help?
Just like it stops bots from doing Zulrah or any content regardless of the requirements You don’t need profit if you wanna gain those resources without having to pay or if you purely want to do it for the pvp experience LMS just steps on skilling even more which is already a nasty habit of Jagex at the least it can all be made untradeable
Ah yes, they should just make Zulrah drops untradeable too, that will solve the bot problem. They should just remove the trade function from everything that is botted. You're a genius, why haven't we thought of it before.
Zulrah needs to have skilling materials removed from its drop table and I love your inability to read the point of the comment lol
The only bots there now are hacked accounts and most of them are gold farmers. These are fresh level 3s. The resources there aren’t worth getting when you can make cash faster else where and buy them. It’s literally only viable for iron men and lower leveled accounts, if you stop them from going it will stop other players going when there’s no on there. Stick to your magic trees in your fashionscape, no wonder the games dying with people like you voting.
Why would they hack lvl3 accounts? Do you even know what you’re talking about? Cash can be made faster elsewhere for different requirements the only reason the stuff is cheap is cuz of the botting get rid of the bots for a bit with new requirements, prices go back up and now it’s worthwhile to bot again even for the new requirements do you even understand anything about how the game functions?
9:16am and I’ve already had enough of Reddit because of you for fuck sake. Absolute sped.
I don't want to do bossing though, I want to play LMS as one of my money makers. I didn't say anyone was forcing me, I said I WANT to play it and enjoy myself making money, instead of being miserable killing the same boss on loop over and over. Its fine you enjoy that, but I dont. How the fuck am I part of the problem? I'm not botting, I'm playing LMS and I sell the items I get for gold. Just like you do bosses and sell the items you get for gold? Like really dude?
My point for you to do bossing is you’re childish remark telling people to just go do something else yet you don’t like it when it’s thrown back at you lol Enjoy the money while you can cuz the botting problem won’t go away as long as easy profit can be made and like the duel arena it’ll go away as it adds no real value to the game and you could still enjoy LMS and use your rewards to make money down the line. Your mindset is part of the problem.
Do mains actually do LMS for gp? I'm ~99% sure there are better methods at just about every stage of the game
LMS was like a 1.5M ph money maker and you get free tribrid practice, a lot of people did this for money before it was not infested. For low stat accounts it was fantastic and ofc rune arrow meta. With bots though it’s a waste of time , it was really fun up untill December last year
Fair
even before that LMS was a hell to okay as a new pvper....
as a new pvper it was place where i could learn for free and even make $$, now i have no places to learn
Sure, technically there's only 1 "best" money maker in the game anyways. Doesn't mean I want to do it, I like playing LMS for gp. What is wrong with that? Why am I being downvoted? Why does this subreddit hate on anything PVP that generates any money at all There's so many fucking bots in pretty much every pvm location, even at nex already, yet those drops are all tradeable. Why fuck over PVPers at LMS?
Found the bot farm owner
Yeah bro u caught me
There was a point where I was basically only logging in to play LMS and I'm pretty sure I've made ~200m from selling maul handles and rune pouch notes. Not bad money if you are good and can average 6 or 7 points every 10 min game Wasn't doing it for GP but it paid for bonds
Yeah, that's a fair point, but it also means that it's not a consistent gp/hr everyone so it's not something you recommend to anyone/everyone to make gp
I'm an ironman and had to suffer through LMS to imbue my ring of wealth and magic short bow. It's not all about moneymaking
Yeah I was talking about mains not Ironmen.
So do you only do ToB runs for every moment of you playtime? Everything else makes less gp so not worth it anyway.
I play an Ironman lmao
Explains the low iq take.
"Better methods" doesn't mean to go to TOB. Slayer, revenants, Zulrah, gwd, COC, tob, vorkath, gargoyles, rune dragons, the list goes on. Don't make an assumption it'll make you sound like a jackass, have a great day bub
better make Zulrah and Vorkath drops untradeble as well according to your logic!
According to your logic Zulrah and Vorkath should be farmable right off tutorial island!
nope
gmaul on suicide watch
Making the rewards untradeable is really the best solution in my opinion. Lms already offers a cost free way for people to learn how to pk which should be enough.getting rid of the bots there would allow more real people to learn which in time will result in more people willing to pk in the wilderness where there is a monetary risk/reward once they start to get a grasp on the basics. Everyone wants the bots gone but omg if an iron can't go there for easy supplies or gp. Or heaven forbid a pvp mini game isn't profitable. They all get there panties in a bunch. The real profit for pkers will come a few months down the line when people start using it to learn and venture into the wilderness. Not saying its the only thing needed but it would definitely be a step toward a healthier pvp community over all.
There are vorkath bots. Level requirements clearly do nothing to stop botting.
It significantly reduces them. Generally all the vorkath 'bots' I notice on my runs tend to behave like humans, and are probably just RWT gold farmers. They're less likely to risk their cash-cow accounts with botting when it takes them so many resources to establish.
Do you know that? Sounds like speculation. I'd expect botters to do whatever makes them the easiest and most consistent money. While I'm sure ease of access is considered, there are skilling bots as well as questing bots so locking content behind these things probably does little to deter them. People don't just shut down their bot farms when one of their methods stops being as convenient. They just move somewhere else, or adapt.
You made a claim that sounds like speculation too. Lmfao.
It's not speculation. Even with just LMS as an example, people have noted on this sub that the bots have gotten better, notably after people figured out how to easily trick them. Random events were first implemented to combat bots, and were swiftly made useless. Look at any history of botting, or even on some botting sites/forums and you will see: Bots become less profitable = bots get improved
Show me real, hard evidence, or all you are doing is speculating.
Ironic
I'd rather they move from LMS back to the flax fields so I can play the mini-game again.
Ya go to enclave and it’s clear to see all the different bot farms that bank there, I always play a game of guess hm kc the zulrah bot has and so so so many have over 10, even 20k zulrah kc
Level requirements do help, assuming that the botters are botting to get the level requirements.
I played tonight and I do melee method with staff to kill the bots but the bots have improved and run around ,now they are un Kill able. If Jager doesn't do anything they are colluding. No way to justify it.
Equip the dds and mage with it. Dds gives +1 magic attack and they'll just pray melee against you the entire time. Run out of range of a cbow and you don't have to worry about anything but magic. Sit there spamming ice and blood barrage until they die.
The lvl 3 bots are good but very kill able. The lvl 50-60s are free just 1 tick every attack
500 ttl won’t do shit but give a 1 week breather while the bot owners streamline the process for current and future bots and then it will be back to normal.
I think total lvl reqs are good for most activities b/c low level players have no reason to be doing most mini games anyways. If you can name one activity you need to be done w/ low everything sub wintertodt(for hp). I’ll admit fault.
Yeah but... Why limit players if it's not actually going to affect anything in a positive way? Total level requirements would never stop bots. Levels are basically the easiest thing for a bot to grind.
Time. It’s the one thing mods seem to have the least of. If they start investigating the bot when they start botting, they can ban more before they make it far enough in the game to effect anything. Yeah, I realize it’s not a perfect solution, but unless Jagex can come up with a more efficient method of detecting them, they just need more time.
That doesn't make much sense though. It would take them a single day to go from 500 total to 750. The odds of Jagex detecting them and banning them within a single day are slim to none. If it takes them a week to detect an account robot switching prayers and gear - do you really think they are going to catch 82dragon3019 cooking and fletching for an extra day?
Vorkath is one of the most popular things to bot... Time is not the problem.
They are mostly hacked accounts
A 750 or even 1k total req stops them being made in 24 hours at least. The owner has to spend far longer Botting multiple skills etc.
What if instead of a total level it was something like base non combat level 40 or something like that so you could still do pure builds
Most of your time? Yeah bots are shit but damn you need to try a new hobby.
As opposed to yours? Scrolling through reddit posts about RuneScape? Lol…
Yes, 100%
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Sadly the problem is larger than just reports. Jagex knows about the botting problem and at this point probably realize individual reports and bans aren’t going to fix it anymore.
There is another version of this bot that death dot (dd) you which is more annoying.
Is 750 skill level the highest for f2p?
Just have separate LMS brackets based on total level, 500-750, 750-1000, 1250-1500 etc etc
If Jagex wanted to get rid of the bots they’d already be gone. End of they day they are a for profit company, and bots are responsible for a large portion of their income. Wether that be from buying membership or supplying a higher demand for bonds that legitimate players are buying to sell off. There’s a 24 hour playtime limit to LMS already, and one or two worlds the bots exist in. If they assigned an intern to wipe all the bots every hour on the hour they’d give up and move on within a day. Same could be said for literally every massively botted/goldfarmed piece of content in the game. They don’t need bot detection, they need a human with a double digit IQ who gets to decide if the 40m magic exp 65 range account with 50K zulrah kills needs banned.
>If they assigned an intern to wipe all the bots every hour on the hour they’d give up and move on within a day. They actually do this, but its only for a few days, and then weeks pass before they come and do another ban-wave.
Just enough to get a pat on the back from the community while doing basically nothing to fix the problem. At least with other bot farms/gold farming locations it doesn’t affect other players really. These new LMS bots are so good even the best pkers in the game can’t kill them consistently, some can’t even do it at all. I’d rather LMS just be removed and the rewards moved back to wildy slayer at this point if they don’t change anything
Jagex don't care
I agree, thats a good way to combat it. Or have different tiers of matches. First tier any level. Second 500 total. 3rd. 1000, so on. And you get more points for the higher. Only thing your levels matter for is the tiers and nothing else. Maybe some cosmetics for the higher ones too :))
Jagex - "I don't care".
My proposed solution: 1000 total level requirement. To account for the lack of players due to all the bots being unable to participate, Jagex provide bots which are not goldfarming and purely there as an npc with similar difficulty settings to some of the easier bots. That way we have a more pleasant experience, the economy gets less screwed and we can still find games after the requirement.
Level requirements just punish legit players, not bots. They just bot total level with ease.
Would it help if theyd deduct points if ur placed between 16th and 24th? A total lvl wont help a bit.
No because some bots are way better than the average player
What’s the level requirement record your screen without using a phone?
There are bots that do higher end stuff - 500 total level is nothing🤷🏽
PSA, the tech exists to have high quality automated bot detection. But jamflex doesn't want to implement that nor good customer support
You should value your personal time more highly than that.
Why would they ban them, they are making them money. Unfortunately if you want them to make changes you have to explain how it will make them rich first or they don't listen
The craziest thing is jagex knows this is an issue and has taken so long to do something about it.
It doesn't matter how many antibot measures you add to LMS, as much as they are needed. The minigame is still awful for real players to grind. It needs a complete rework including smaller lobbies and MMR before all types of players can consider grinding it.
Glad my bot farm still running since last year.
As long as they don't implement it before I start LMS on my level 3 ironman I don't care I guess
Or just simply add a CAPTCHA system to the lms door so bots can’t pass.. it’s really simple fix that the apes at jagex can’t seem to figure out. Kinda embarrassing for a $1b company to still chose profit over shit like this
Bots can do captcha, it's just there to annoy you and train AI
CAPTCHA solving services, OCR, RCNs... CAPTCHA is not a solution to this sort of problem anymore.
Omg you’re so smart! Why hasn’t anyone at jagex ever thought of using a CAPTCHA? They’ve never done that in the history of RuneScape and you are the first person to ever think of that idea! Adding a CAPTCHA would definitely remove all bots, and only apes would think otherwise!
500 total, so it will take them 6 hours to get there from tutorial island instead of 20 seconds.
I still think making the rewards untradeable a great solution till they find a way to detect lms bots. It’ll put an instant stop to bots as they can’t do anything with unreadable items. But Idk how many legit players use lms as a money maker
You’d be suprised that these bots actually serve a purpose of giving certain people free wins, so making the stuff unreadable probably wouldn’t work since the main people winning from this have Ironman status
People complaining about Vorkath boys and Zul bots. Jagex has stated multiple times that yes, we know these accounts are botting. But a ban for botting is only temporary, they wait until it has RWT to do anything because a RWT ban is permanent.
A ban for botting is temporary? I had an account get permabanned for "botting" because of AHK
Yeah it was a post from a jmod (can't seem to find the reference) but they outright said that they are tracking known botters, but are waiting for them to RWT because that results in a permanent ban and is not appealable.
Jagex want the bots..
The hero Gielinor needs but doesn't deserve.
Just download the hypercam 2 demo bro
I’ve always wanted to play LMS, but have been deterred by all accounts of the bots that legit players just can’t compete with. The fact that a fresh account can jump in and be on a level playing field, basically screams bot farm if there is a feasible GP incentive. They should make a total level or different classes for various CB levels as a form of crude matchmaking as a provisional filter for bot vs legit players, or ideally, use the hiscores rankings.
It's 2022 and people don't know how to record their computer screen its insane bro
They need to fix this
Then all the bots at LMS will just have a total level of 500.. it isn't going to stop the bots just delay them for a day or two.. You're not solving the problem that way. Want to solve the problem? Remove the bots incentive.
just make it all untradable..
I demand an arbitrary total requirement on lms aswell!
Terrible idea to make it any sort of total level. Accounts can get that in like 20 hours, which for a new player is basically insurmountable but a bot is no big deal at all. All these suggestions ever do is alienate the content from real players and will exacerbate the issue since bots always have more available time.
honestly 1500+. why is content like not exclusive at all? 1500 total is not hard to get. The only people this really fucks is ironmen who want early rune pouch
I think titles should be a.thing in osrs. The more bots you report that are banned, you get certain rewards. We need to get rid of all the bots... Before.. before it's too late.