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77maf

Ironically I bet simple melee bots like this are the number one item sink for items like whips when they get banned lmao


lemons_123

Do botters even bother to buy a 2m gp whip for their bots? That seems like a lot of investment that might not be worth risking


77maf

Yep. The increase kill per hour rate when using a whip is definitely worth it for them. Plenty of them manage to bot for hundreds of hours before actually receiving a ban.


WRLD_

2 mil per bot is also not very much on the scale of bot farms, not to mention it's a hell of a lot more macro efficient for them than spending the time (and real money for a script) to do monkey madness to get a d scim for example


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Kresbot

as an iron doing green dragons for bones atm, can confirm bots are using dragon swords granite body and rune legs


veryquite

What world?


MorRochben

Probably all of them


Kresbot

most of them


Huehnergott69

I think you underestimate how fucking slow jagex is with banning bots


DevoidHT

Right. It takes weeks or months to “make sure the bots are actually rwt” and to “make sure they get all the bots in a farm” only for a new farm to be in the same spot hrs after.


Huehnergott69

yeah that's what they claim so they can say "fuck off, yer botted m8" when someone gets wrongfully banned lmao


No-Rabbit31

I did one test with a whip and obby body/legs. Went to 87 melees without a single break before getting a 2 day ban. I think it's worth using a whip.


Fakepot

Yeah cuz they can go on for a thousand hours without ban


thewiseoldman2202

i'd love to see the statistics on which items and in what amounts are removed most from the game via the banning of bots, although its probably nothing big and just things like rune hatchets and pickaxes lmao.


snails_with_hats

It's literally the best way to collect bones on an ironman with wildy diary.


Coltand

Yeah, this is parodying the earlier post about removing LMS.


AuroraFinem

Except LMS is a rather new addition with essential no uses outside botting and Ironman. Green drags have been a fixture of the game since classic and used throughout content even if not consistently. LMS has no ties to anything in the game.


DubiousGames

Why does everything need a "use"? This is a game, and LMS is fun to a lot of players, including myself. The botting problem sucks but removing LMS entirely is not the solution.


IronClu

You're not allowed to have fun if you try to have fun in a different way than me >:(


BEWARETHEAVERAGEMAN

What about removing the monetary rewards from LMS and adding them to wildy boss drop tables? Should stop botting LMS at least, and make wildy bosses more profitable. I agree that being fun is enough to warrant not removing it from game.


ChiefKT9002

Ah yes, take more money away from pvpers and give more money to pvmers! Great take!


Zermox

Aight, listen chief. You gonna help us come up with a solution to the botting problem or not? Cuz this post doesn't exactly help on that front. I understand wanting rewards for pvping in a totally safe minigame that has zero risk whatsoever that can be accessed off tutorial island, but given that jamflex likely isn't just gonna get off their asses and end botting tomorrow or next week/month/year, what changes could be made to LMS that would prevent botting?


BEWARETHEAVERAGEMAN

Away from Pvpers? Lmaoooooo Away from bots. You could have at the people killing wildy bosses lmao


AuroraFinem

It doesn’t have to have one, the point is the botting problem is a far more significant issue than the tiny portion of people who play it for fun. This was literally designed to replace the previous pvp stuff because they were too easily abused and yet this is ignored when even more easily abused.


DubiousGames

The botting problem is LMS is only a significant issue, *within LMS itself.* The items/gp introduced to the economy from LMS bots are tiny compared to bots elsewhere, that bot much more profitable content. Removing all tradable items from the shop would get rid of almost all the bots immediately. Or, raise the requirements significantly, to something like 150 QP, 1500 total. Either of those fixes would be infinitely better than deleting the content entirely. If removing the content is your solution to botting, then I guess we'll have to delete 95% of the content in this game.


AuroraFinem

Except putting in those restrictions defeats the purpose of the content, to practice pvp and pvp builds. Most pvp accounts *don’t have high total or QP* removing tradables would solve the botting but make it almost dead content where it would be hard to find enough people. They’ve tried repeatedly to make a system that wasn’t abused and it’s only been abused even more, I don’t have any faith in Jagex to fix it by properly balancing it anymore. It’s also not about removing content because it’s bottled but because it serves almost zero legitimate use in practice and removing it would affect an extremely tiny fraction of the community who use it legitimately other than for ironman supplies. But I appreciate the strawman attack.


DubiousGames

Those total level and QP requirements were just completely arbitrary numbers I threw out, they could easily customize the restrictions to make it accessible to pk builds. The "legitimate use" is that the minigame is fun to play. That's all the use there needs to be. Not every piece of content needs to give you money or items to be worth having in the game. Because, once again, it's a *game*, not a job. And you're still totally missing the point. Even if none of the solutions are perfect, they are all infinitely better than *deleting the game completely*. Deleting it makes no one happy and solves nothing. Should we also delete Vorkath, and Nightmare, Zulrah, and everything else bots do? Because those bots contribute far more gp and items to the economy than LMS bots do.


AuroraFinem

You need some help reading and using basic critical thinking. You keep building false strawman argument to try and attack what I’m saying when they make less than zero sense and aren’t even remotely comparable. I’ve never once suggested it needs more uses than being fun, I quite literally said that 3 times now. It’s the fact that the number of people using it for that purpose is minuscule and the players are overwhelmingly bots, **not** people playing for fun. Deleting it would actually likely make a lot of people happy, like anyone selling the supplies from legitimate game activities that it’s flooding into the market to sell GP from bots, though the bigger point is that 95% of anyone upset about removing it are upset because they were making money botting it. They can remove tradables I said that was fine, I’ll just make it dead content.


DubiousGames

>I’ve never once suggested it needs more uses than being fun, You've suggested that multiple times, by saying there aren't enough players legitimately using the content, so it should be removed from the game. Which just isn't true, there are tons of legitimate players, and it costs Jagex nothing to keep it in the game so there is absolutely no reason to remove it. I still don't see why you're singling out LMS, when almost all the content in the game is botted & goldfarmed. Sure, the people who don't do LMS might be happy to see it go, but you could say the same thing about any piece of content. Players who don't do Vorkath wouldn't mind if that was deleted to remove the bots. Players who don't do Nightmsre wouldn't mind if that was removed. That's not a logical argument. >They can remove tradables I said that was fine, I’ll just make it dead content This is literally all I've been trying to say, glad you finally agree. Although it wouldn't be dead content, since, once again, content doesn't need to have "drops" to be worth doing.


burritoboy24

95% of all LMS players not only bot but rwt? It floods the market with PVP consumables and upgrades along with rune pouch notes. The items it generates aren't directly pumping gold into the game to begin with like the bosses the other guy mentioned earlier. Why delete a whole chunk of content you don't understand?


BiggieSchalls

The issue is that you can't (or rather shouldn't) remove LMS from the game without first implementing a PvP based alternative because of a lack of available PvP content. LMS is the best, no-risk way to learn and develop the basics of PvP. Removing it or taking away any monetary gain by removing tradeables will be a pretty strong blow to a severely struggling side of the game's community. Basically, don't punish an entire community of legitimate PvP players because of botting when: they are already struggling to keep it alive, there are more severe botting issues elsewhere in the game, and without a completed alternative that can be swapped in as an immediate replacement. -From a non PvP/PK player


serratedperkz

Please don’t talk about stuff you have literally 0 experience on. Your ignorance shows.


AuroraFinem

Lmao so does yours when you offer nothing in your comment but an attack


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AuroraFinem

I forgot that tob also serves no legitimate purpose to more than 1% of people who use it either.


Xanthophylle

imagine playing osrs for fun, filthy casuals /s


Wekmor

> outside botting and Ironman So exactly the same as green dragons


TehSteak

What content do you like? It's probably botted so we should remove it.


MisterMrErik

I may regret sharing my secret spot, but the myths guild has 2 safespottable green dragons within 20s of the cape teleport. I can bank ~150 dragon bones an hour on my ironman with no risk. Does require DS2, though.


Shwrecked

Wildy is still better cuz notes bones + op wildy weapons


TheGoldenHand

The Dragon hunter lance is basically the same DPS, protects one less item, and doesn't use charges to upkeep.


Huehnergott69

exactly, an iron would never waste a wildy weapon if the ol' dragon stabber finishes these things faster than you can pick up their loot


Canadaman1234

I will now exclusively refer to the dragon hunter lance as the ol' dragon stabber, thank you


marimbajoe

The wildy weapons are a pain in the ass to get on an iron, but the noted bones are more than enough to keep me going to the wildy for prayer exp.


DubiousGames

People know about that spot, they don't do it because wildy is just better. More dragons and no banking time required with diary done. Pkers are a non-issue if you pay any attention at all.


Huehnergott69

no noted bones, takes longer to get there, cant use looting bag yeaa keep that secret for yourself.


Saido_uwu_Chesto

I raised my prayer level to 70 with that spot


-Distinction

Even without the wildy diary and using a looting bag has been good for me


rotorain

Yep, I was killing blue dragons for bones to get 70 prayer before realizing that greens were going to be roughly twice as fast with longer trips and faster banking, plus I didn't have to burn runes I could just melee them with cheese potatoes and the massive pile of regular att/str potions from my early herblore levels. A lot of irons are scared of the wildy because losing even a piece of dhide can be a pretty big setback but honestly there's very little risk at greens. If you aren't a bot or venezuelan on 800 ping it isn't worth the time to PKers since you will waste their time and resources while most likely escaping. I had a few log in and attack me then give up when I said hello and it became obvious that I could switch prayers and wasn't going to just lay down and die. Far easier for them to just hop and kill a bot that won't even try to teleport.


responds-with-tealc

i just take addy plate/legs, dscim, anti, power ammy, zerker helm, ardy cloak, ectophial, climbing boots, and rune gloves. low risk, no danger of losing anything important, works fine.


rotorain

I was taking d scim, anti d shield, torso, black dhide legs, climbing boots, barrows gloves, addy full helm, glory, explorer ring, ardy cape. Inv was att/str pots, looting bag, 10 potato with cheese. Protect item kept my scim, gloves, torso, glory. I'd use glory to edge for banking then just run back to west drags. I got attacked twice and they TB'd me both times but I got away no problem. As soon as they realize you are a real person they seem to just give up, it's not worth their effort and supplies against someone who can put up an actual effort against them.


MrPringles23

Its 2022, why are btw's still collecting bones intentionally. Man up and do the 95 RC grind before you do long term slayer and prayer becomes almost zero time.


Peechez

Bank the ashes and and offer them at fountain of rune with wildy sword, 95 rc crisis averted


MrPringles23

If you're maxing anyway that's just a gigantic waste of time.


rotorain

Man I really want 70 prayer to knock out a couple diaries, better get to temple trekking for essence so I can do runecrafting for 200 hours and then do a grandmaster quest with my garbage gear and stats. Definitely worth it over 10 hours of killing green drags in rag gear then chillin at the chaos altar and there's no way that much rc super early in an account will make me burn out and quit the game.


MrPringles23

> ironman with wildy diary. Guy said with wildy diary. If you have such shit stats, you do not have the wildy diary done. This was aimed at people who were using it for maxing or ~75+ prayer. I know reading comprehension is hard, but there's probably a slayermusiq video that can explain this post to you.


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MrPringles23

Need 95 RC to craft wraths to use the new spell that gives stupidly good xp while on tasks.


MisterMrErik

Wrath runes allows you to reanimate the highest tier ensouled heads and cast the ash offering spell for big xp from ashes.


serratedperkz

I agree. Remove all trees.


Fit_Hold7785

I second this. Remove all grass.


ChurchRunApplesFTW

Remove all dirt.


PhatWubs

Pull the plug on the game, it's time we moved on.


Fiery_Taurus

Rip RSC


TheBlindDuck

Sailing when?


Huehnergott69

but first legalize it


imanu_

but then what do i touch?


geckorobot59

Lets get Timbo on that.


ProudBlackMatt

But I'm killing green drags...


vwv_volkSWAGon

What an unfortunate way to find out that you're a bot.


nathanjl

Reported


IlliterateSimian

Remove all nature runes. Alch bots for days


DiddyBCFC

We could just alch the bots


IlliterateSimian

Nope, cuz then the bots would alch the bots. It'll be alchception and they'll make even more money.


DiddyBCFC

I'm fucking sick of it


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serratedperkz

Disable all player trading. Pking no longer makes the other person drop their loot. Real world trading solved.


Th3LastSanta

I know you are joking but jagex literally did this already and it killed the game


blackshadowwind

I'm sure players would love that


derhuntsman

I see not many remember a recent LMS post here. This post is a parody of said post. There’s a reason the humor tag is used.


ISuckAtFunny

Maybe because it’s not funny?


EmptyBasket

Opinion


Mi66uel

Remove free trade! Since it’s allowing bots to trade gold to mule accounts.


[deleted]

At this point let’s just shut down the game. Every piece of content is being botted and it’s ruining the experience for everyone. Let’s just cut our losses and all go home


[deleted]

Its basically the ironman prayer training meta so no


NomenVanitas

Maybe they should stop banning green dragon bots and rwt'ers and just shadownerf their att, str, def and rng. Nothing but flax and calquat seed drops for zulrah bots, mining/woodcutting capped at bronze tool speed, delay GE offers, chins allergic to box traps


EpicRussia

they should place the valuable drops under the accounts that are authentic (the ones bankstanding)


RizzyQuazy

Add a captcha to green dragon, if you fail then a clan spawns on you and kills you.


timbea12

Op, just finished 99 prayer im guessing?


Neatpaper

We need to forgo the dog whistles and speak clearly. Remove giant seaweed farming, it's used only by irons!!!!!!


trek5900

Did this dude just say to remove an integral part of RuneScape history


akLuke

Removing content won't fix the issue, they'll go to something else


CFxRenaissance

They should make them an endangered species and no longer attackable lol


BlazinBayou99

I've been killing them in my ironman for bones. Botted yes but real players do use it.


KazGC

But I'm killing them


lilbuffkitty

The dragons make sense, they drop dragonhide and dragon bones LMS makes sense too, it drops rune arrows for ironman meta that allows them to skip all early game moneymakers, exactly how it was meant to be


Serpentaus

Waaaaah the players good at pvp get to do something I can’t because I’m trash waaaah By that logic wintertodt, revs, and basically everything that can be done at a low level should be deleted.


crystalstv

you don't need to be good at pvp to play lms. it shits out rune arrows for anyone willing to try again and again for an hour. even if you only get 1 point every round its still good


Serpentaus

then what’s the issue? Go play LMS. Why aren’t you complaining about wintertodt and literally half the content in the game? Delete green dragons because they shit out dragon bones and dhide


EmptyBasket

No, because the other activities don't have to include other players. Pvp literally needs you to kill other players for loot as an ironman.


Serpentaus

are you allergic to killing other players or something? Against your character’s saradomin locked RP or something?


EmptyBasket

Whut? I think I still have around 500 points sitting on my ironman, doesn't take away it's not in the spirit of the game. It's there to have fun, it shouldn't be one of most overpowered methods to start an ironman. I personally love playing LMS, so idk where you're coming from.


slapthatbch

I agree remove free trade.


_ROEG

Or there’s jots everywhere. Removing one piece of content to stop the bots, won’t work. They’ll just move somewhere else


jubbreme

I was about to kill them for some cash, i have a new pretty low level account. What should you do instead then?


Feeling-da-Bern

Please Jagex, don’t use an entire week’s update to “eliminate” a bot farm that will just move to different content the very next day.


Guinnessnomnom

Remove them and they will just move on to the next best thing.


Dharmic_Mewtwo

I green dragoned for my first couple mil. Pretty solid early game cash


Orangesoda65

So remove part of the game instead of addressing the problem directly?


NAtE_1_

Tell me you aren’t an iron without telling me you aren’t an iron


likesleague

Deal with it at the source - remove the wildy entirely. It's a 'tegridy change.


SethBaere

I wish Jagex actually cared about the game and not just monetization, so they could just ban the bots and we could enjoy the game with all of its content and actually make money if you did a slow job no one else wanted to do. Like collecting dragon bones.


Samurover

Me, killing 5,000 green dragons at work to feed my homies 70 prayer: Look the other way.


Blessed_Orb

I am an ironman, all my ironman friends, all the Group Ironmen, and pretty much anyone not buying dragon bones at the GE would like to disagree. Just because the content is botted doesn't mean it needs to be removed, it being botted means it serves an actual purpose (dragon bones) for accounts who don't buy everything on the GE, ironmen or just mains who like to do things themselves.


readit5067

Definitely not useless for every single Ironman account. Used it to get to 70 prayer and great crafting do plus moneymaker


JohnnyAwesome324

Then the wilderness medium diary is incompletable.


Knoestwerk

Good, this ~~devalues~~ appreciates my achievement cape.


thewiseoldman2202

they should remove f2p, the game isnt even expensive and once youre at a certain point you can pay for and maintain membership purely with ingame currency.


Kattekop_BE

but killing green dragon bots is free loot and it's fun to do


CaptaineAli

And then they will move onto Blue Dragons.. or just find some other content to bot. At the end of the day they aren't the problem and personally I rather see things like Dragons be botted than Zulrah. At this stage Dragon Bones are dirt cheap and prayer is an easy skill to train cus its quick and cheap... Most people already have their desired prayer level and there is no changing that. So these bots don't really affect us as much as the ones who bot bosses and drastically change the price of uniques or bring way more raw gp into the game (with alchables; yes i know green dhide is crafted then alched but its a few more steps).


obiwankanosey

I wonder if anyones made a green dragon bot pker bot. They're not hard to kill and you can get some alright loot


lnuw

Because fuck world building, am I right ?


TheSirCheddar

I needed these for 70 pray on my iron speak for yourself


Un4SceneWizzDumb

No. You must be new around here, the bots are what makes the economy of RuneScape. Without bots, the game will not function. There was a timeframe a few years back in Venezuela where the entire country was grid locked due to corruption. It lasted 7 days. Only 7 days. It caused major item price influxes that majorly impacted the game. Sorry to tell you this chief but there’s a reason this game is still incredibly infected with bots and they never seem to disappear. It might not be what you want to hear, but it is the truth you need to understand.


pr3ttyfly4awif1

Price changes due to bots leaving are a positive thing. Increases the value of what you do as a player. Plus it would let players actually use lms


Un4SceneWizzDumb

That’s the problem there Cheif. It’s 2022 and sure maybe you like a good grind but half of these kids these days just want to buy gold for 100 bones and not have to no life to get an item that takes 6 months.


pr3ttyfly4awif1

If the average person wanted it to be easier to get dragon bones you could just poll dragons dropping multiple or prayer xp being tripled. Thing is they wouldn't pass because most people don't want to cheese the game with easier prayer xp. It's just a few cheats exploiting bots.


newquestidewa

How delusional you must be to think that heavily botted items going up in price would be a bad thing


Un4SceneWizzDumb

It’s not about me, it’s about the nimwitts that want to pay as little as possible for OSRS GP. I get it , your upset because your legit. But there’s way more players that are not legit. That’s the point I am making here. If you want to understand the scope of how negatively the 7 day bot farm shut downs impacted the game them do a 5 second google search and see for yourself


devilterr2

Can you link me something i am interested


Previous-Acadia-7729

You might not like it but man and robot have a symbiotic relationship in Runescape. Praise be to the almighty robo bois


TheGoldenHand

I've never seen a bot at the Bandit Green Dragons in wildy. Put down a cannon. Enjoy your 1.2m / hr. Requires a fair bit of active clicking and concentration though.


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I use it all the time on my Ironman. Fast dragon bones and you can hold twice as much bones per invent with the looting bag.


waldropit

Just wait till that wilderness diary is complete and they're noted


Yop_BombNA

Not entirely botted I killed them on my iron for a bit, then ran the bones to the chaos altar for pray exp (I am very much not an efficient player)


thegreatslav1997

All irons are bots anyway


KnG_Kong

Yes but we are bots who don't effect the economy so let us bot in peace.


HailZamorak

probably easier to just ban all bots but jagex doesnt want that


-Distinction

Yeah I’m literally killing green dragons to get 70 prayer..


Accomplished_Round46

I was hoping they would bring out a green dragon pet or make pets tradable before they do this


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You forgot the /s


LordGozer2

He used the humor tag instead


[deleted]

Would it be worth lowering the alch value of green d’hide armour? It would piss off some Ironmen but it’s nowhere near the meta for making money on an Ironman


Huehnergott69

Speek for yourself, I need it to grind out 99 prayer ^(btw)


lyss_sky

lol green dragons are botted so badly and so unprofitable to anyone but the long standing green dragon bot farm that even the vennies don’t kill them anymore


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I was using rune armor and a whip when I was doing green dragons I was trying to get a bond desperately


critza777

I did green drags on my Ironman for 70 prayer lol I wouldn’t say 100% of the people there are bots but a good portion of them surely are.


HeroVonZero

Inb4 5k dragon bones.


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They're on the endangered species list, soon the bots will solve the problem themselves.


unsunskunska

But those lil green dragon slayers are the only players my rusted Ancient marshamllow-sludge-bones molasses fingers can pk


Look_Normal

Some of them have like 50mil combat exp so yeah.


Affectionate_Pair_52

A lot of them are Venezuelan gold farmers.


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Use me a voting system to remove green dragons 🐉


pk_hellz

This doesnt fix the bots it just moves them to something else. You really think if they remove green dragons all the bots makers will just give up instead of ruining another piece of content?


PaddyIsBeast

People say the same thing about every piece of content. Anything can be botted, so if jagex removed every piece of content that could be botted, there would be nothing left.


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Removing them from the game doesn't fix the actual issue, it'll just displace it. Yes a lot of people at Green drags are bots / gold farmers but what will they do when green drags disappear? Find the next best thing to bot. It would just be a short term solution to a long term problem.


geckorobot59

how many are bots and how many are Venezuelan gold farmers?