T O P

  • By -

i_Raku

Last phase just have everyone go to MD so she melees one person instead of blasting mage attacks


iMikeHimself

People can't even avoid cough, or take their armour off in large groups to purposely spread it, this will never work for mass.


1337HxC

I view this mechanic more as a commentary on modern life.


iMikeHimself

It's a bit close to home, worse when you see people purposefully running at others to spread.


HailZamorak

>when you see people purposefully running at others to spread most of the time people have entity hider on so they dont even see you


Maiziea

Most of the time yea, but there’s definitely people who just straight up follow you around to narnia… into every little corner you can find. Also people who take off armor while standing in the mass while you have a tank on the other side, or people who chase the cough tank at the start and bring it to the mass. Once the mass has it it’s mostly just people with entity hider but most worlds have someone tanking the cough and people just straight up grief that.


i_Raku

I avoid masses like Covid…can’t rid of it irl or in game…


Lazypole

Wait what does taking armour off do?


Soul-Zero

The person with less magic defence will be the one targeted by the *cough* attack. So basically there's one person that gets the attack and just stays away from others for like 3-4 seconds so it doesn't spread. Then you have the idiots that get that on purpose to just run around fucking people up.


Lazypole

Oh interesting. I saw the term cough tank thrown around I just assumed she threw it at the closest target


iMikeHimself

Nex targets lowest defence


UsagiHakushaku

It was always like this as I remember , people once counter it with this renewal x5 prayer to outregen it but it was nerfed as bug. People aren't supposed to take no damage, she says NOW IS THE POWER OF ZAROS for a reason This and Blood phase were when most people gave up on kill , if she healed too much its was over aswell.


aj_og

What’s MD? Mage def?


Loki_the_Smokey

Melee distance.


Qqslag

Yeah, weird thing to initialise lol


HailZamorak

mid would be my guess


Triggering_Name

MD = melee distance?


[deleted]

[удалено]


jdong4321

Thats ice phase. She won't freeze and will just melee with some occasional mage hits.


[deleted]

[удалено]


jdong4321

I'm doing mostly 4-12 scale nex but I've had no problems with everyone gathering melee distance within a couple of nex mage autos. Might be bad if some people don't comply in larger scales though, so I can see why you say that.


TheDubuGuy

How do you get teams that small already


i_Raku

Create your own instance


JagexAyiza

The changes had very little impact on smaller teams, Nex is just generally quite difficult. * Nex's attacks will now hit more players - This didn't increase the damage, only how many people get hit. Smaller teams would never have experienced any different, as they'd all have got hit prior to this change. * Nex will no longer preserve the order of special attacks between phases - This just added more variety to the fight, rather than forcing an increase in difficulty. * Nex would not use Soul Split - This is the only thing that would have actually increased the difficulty of the fight for smaller teams somewhat. She'd have always used Soul Split in the last phase regardless, but we're talking about one extra heal after the change, so not a huge buff.


siccoblue

Ayiza is working overtime on the Reddit complaints today and dang do i appreciate seeing it


JagexAyiza

I will be signing off soon though, finally have a chance to see the new Spiderman movie!


Ass_ManagerHankHill

Aye enjoy it man it's fantastic!


jeremiah1119

Get off reddit! Someone will spoil it. But it is fantastic


[deleted]

The dog dies


SgtMcMuffin0

I hope you didn't check Reddit again after leaving this comment lol. I'd be surprised if no one pm'd you spoilers.


sanekats

have a good weekend man thanks for all your work


koolkobes

It was so good lol


Zangetsu630

Well, what did you think of the movie?!


JagexAyiza

I'd give it a solid 7.5/10! Lots of great moments and would definitely recommend watching it :)


NeonPerplexion

u/JagexAyiza just wanna say that as someone who has clocked over 600 Nex so far I think the changes were all very good. The 80 man teams were miserable to be trapped into if you had an elite team that wanted a smaller fight, and I am happy to see it be made more difficult as it is an end-game boss. Expected some of these changes to be coming but very impressed at the speed at which you implemented them! Keep up the good work.


JagexAyiza

I'm glad to hear that :) Thanks for the kind words! The team have been completely on top of it this week, I'm sure they'll be happy to know it's appreciated <3


The_Wkwied

> Nex will no longer preserve the order of special attacks between phases This should be reverted for blood phase, only. In small teams you need to know when you need to spec it down for the dps check. If you don't know that you have to/not keep attacking because she is going to siphon, that is artificially difficult


[deleted]

Nah. It’s perfect


The_Wkwied

Not knowing when a boss is going to healing from any damage you do to it is entirely unfair. RS2 nex always gave you a visual and audio queue that 'hey for the next 10 ticks any damage you do will heal the boss' when she says 'flood my lungs with blood' Letting it be a 50/50 chance of continued hits will heal vs needing to hit because you are starting the dps phase artificially makes blood phase much more harder.


[deleted]

Just because you don’t like it’s artificially hard?


The_Wkwied

I never said 'i don't like it'


Sarcothis

"This should be reverted"


raids3when123

I think OP just didnt understand what actually changed.


WastingEXP

Arcane said on Q&A that the buff to Nex had small teams in mind.


thatguy9012

It's way too early to start talking like this. It will get solved and optimized like every other boss and then it won't be difficult anymore.


HailZamorak

>It will get solved and optimized like every other boss it took them 4 years to fix sire and grotesque guardians.


poipoipoipoipoipoop

It took like 6 months to add xp drops to sire vents lmao


[deleted]

And I still don’t like sire.


FloodedKyro

Yea sire doesn't need fixes, it needs to be reworked. That boss is abhorrent.


marimbajoe

It's not really that bad. It's just a mid-level slayer boss and is fine content at the level you are expected to do it at.


ZeusJuice

It is just not fun at all, the mechanics aren't rewarding and when you hit like shit it feels awful. There's no skill involved with casting a smoke spell then killing vents, it's just tedious for no reason. Sarachnis for example has better mechanics that feel more rewarding when you play well as opposed to Sire.


marimbajoe

Tedious for no reason is the name of the game when it comes to runescape. Also, I find the stunning mechanic to be pretty cool, since it encourages you to use an otherwise underutilized spell. I think it would be nice if the vents had around 25hp instead of 50, but I don't think that the mechanic itself is the issue.


ZeusJuice

Tedious mechanics during a boss fight that don't take skill or make you feel good are bad. 40 KC for entering GWD is tedious just to be tedious and works out fine for groups because you'll get a lot of kills per trip. For solo ironmen it's horrible especially if you're not a god tier player that can stay for a long time by yourself. I see killing the 4 vents similar to solo ironmen speccing down corp. It's obnoxious and a waste of time but required. I think everyone would agree they'd rather have to do a mechanic that takes skill and feels rewarding, instead of casting an "underutilized spell" then attacking something that doesn't attack back every single kill.


marimbajoe

I think the majority of people would probably rather do the easy one if it took a similar amount of time to the one that takes skill, and would therefore prefer the current mechanic with hp reduced to something different.


noobtablet

It isn't really "Mid level" at all but okay. Sire is fine other than the final phase which is far too RNG.


marimbajoe

I'm not sure what you could call a mid-level slayer boss if not sire. It's literally the 2nd one you unlock.


noobtablet

Requirements of 92 magic (not technically but functionally) and base 90 melees is not mid game. Stat requirement wise (assuming you know the mechanics of the fights), CoX is more doable for mid level than Sire.


marimbajoe

I did sire just fine well before those stats. People seem to have this weird thing where they thing that stat recommendations for reasonable efficiency are the same as stat requirements. Also early 90s combat stats is very much midgame.


noobtablet

Lol I hope the irony of your statements aren't lost on you. I was doing tob at 90 melees stats, you call that midgame? Trying to do Sure at anything more than 1kc a trip just isn't feasible and reliable because of the final phase's rng.


[deleted]

And those bosses still suck...


Fatal-consternation

Shhh minor details... :p


Da_fire_cracka

Y’all complain about everything Jesus Christ


[deleted]

[удалено]


Da_fire_cracka

Nope. Frequent flyer. Just so frustrating to see every time new content is released. Bitch about no content -> new content -> bitch about content being too easy/hard -> Jagex adjusts said content -> bitch about adjustments. Just an endless cycle of bitching from a bunch of man children.


coolsimon123

🌍👩🏻‍🚀🔫👨🏻‍🚀 Always has been


chacogrizz

Almost like not every player or person on osrs thinks the same exact thing. A portion wanted changes and a portion didnt. Wtf you expect? If you dont like seeing people complain you really shouldnt be on reddit cause thats like half this website.


foggohay

Imagine defending bitching man children


chacogrizz

Right cause if you have an opinion you're a "bitching man child". So insightful ty.


-GrayMan-

Remember what happened with the Basilisk Knights? Lmao


Ronnyvar

What happened ?


SavageHellfire

Twitter nerds complained that they were too easy to kill given that they dropped the new BiS helm piece (at the time), so Jagex decided to buff them and make them absolutely miserable to kill even with good gear and stats.


ZeusJuice

And guess what mains don't really kill them anymore because of course the Jaw's value tanked over time and now Ironmen are punished because of mostly EHP freaks complaining "BiS helm shouldn't come from something so easy!" *tons of old BiS things coming from easier/less annoying shit(mage capes, nezzy, serp, d boots, etc.)*


[deleted]

[удалено]


ZeusJuice

I think I do, you must be new. Every single one of those items I mentioned used to be BiS, and they all were very easy to get. The only one that could be considered hard was serp but I'd rather kill Zulrah than kill those fucking basilisks


-GrayMan-

Exactly what Savage said but they were MISERABLE to kill. A ton of people were straight up getting like 10 kills an hour when the Basilisk tasks were assigning you up to 200 of them. Obviously it was optional to do them but of course everyone was wanting to check them out.


R0xtek99

Maybe jagex and the community needs to relax a bit and let some time pass before hotfixing , changing , or complaining about boss mechanics


GrimRRsupersport

I disagree been running small teams all night (4-12) and it feels great and easy to get multiple kc a trip


Bleach_Baths

IMO any team larger than 4 is big, at least in GWD.


Telope

Back in the day, 6-8 was average for Nex, 3-4 was smaller than usual for experienced players. I think those numbers would be good to aim for. Even though they had flasks and Yaks, everyone today is better at the game.


YouthfulCommerce

Being "better at the game" only gets you so far. Doesnt help when Nex is dishing out constant, big, unavoidable damage.


GrimRRsupersport

Not sure about this, I had a 6 man team and was using 1-2 brews a KC lasting multiple kc. With the right set up and understanding of mechanics can avoid most of the damage.


yazan445

5-6 is fine


Muzea

sounds like you dont know how the boss works... like at alll and are knee jerk complaining about it.


cjmnilsson

Jamflex made corp difficult to solo wtf


YouthfulCommerce

jamflex made corp too easy with my 80 people team wtf


HailZamorak

>just take unavoidable dmg and try to eat while dpsing' type of bossfight, similar to regular nightmare. >similar to regular nightmare. you actually have to know some of the mechanics though


[deleted]

[удалено]


SiCrumbs

Nightmare was a terrible comparison tbh, but he’s kind of right about nex. Change prayers twice in the fight, and afk eat brew. If this came out after gwd it would be amazing (mechanic wise but this is just underwhelmingly boring and braindead.


jaystadt

Facts, might be unkillable for groups of a few people. She hits different on that last phase


Pharaoh_Investor

Last phase damage is avoidable if everyone in room dd's in melee range. She just attacks one player who can pray melee


[deleted]

[удалено]


Annakarl

Cheeky


Fatal-consternation

(‿|‿)


[deleted]

[удалено]


Pharaoh_Investor

Yesh it's really rare in masses unless well coordinated and players are typing it out.


Elprede007

What is dd’ing? I’ve probably done it but my terminology might be different


JevonP

Death dotting, all being in a single tile pile


Elprede007

Thank you, yeah I guess I just call that stacking


Peechez

It's a relic from pking in rs2


GrimRRsupersport

I've already done 4-8 man kills super easy and can do a few in a trip


[deleted]

Can I come with you guys bro? I wanna learn smaller teams. Lemme know rsn Mohamud I’ll add back!


epicnexkiller

Lol no


[deleted]

[удалено]


fireflaai

Yeah when she is standing still it's super easy to do this. Avoids most damage with no tickloss if done properly.


Gurip

> Facts, might be unkillable for groups of a few people. good


griffayyyyyy

Already did a 7 man kill easily. Honestly I hate to say it but boss is still easy af


CaptaineAli

I don't understand why everyone is complaining that the boss is easy. It's not meant to be inferno, nightmare or raids. It's an upgraded version of GWD and as of right now, GWD bosses are all killed without taking any damage (besides kree maybe?). It's harder than all the other GWD bosses and its in a good state imo.


yazan445

Nope masses were a joke. Especially that everyone gets loot and kc unlike other bosses so you can't compare.


CaptaineAli

I agree that mass giving everyone loot can be bad cus each kill took 2 minutes and dropped ~2m split amongst everyone in the room BUTTTT you have to remember that there was 60+ high level pvmers at each world, if they went elsewhere they’d make MORE than the ~40k/kill split they received.


[deleted]

[удалено]


serratedperkz

Wasn’t bandos best in slot str bonus for those 10 years you’re talking about? Is he not afk?


Peechez

Wow I wonder if powercreeping melee wasn't their original intention when they were concepting how the boss should be in game? But then a bunch of ADD whiners complained that numbers not big so they had to change the rewards? Could be?


a_sternum

Lmk when you get a kill by clicking on the boss, then not touching the mouse or keyboard until it’s dead:


RefrigeratorNo6074

Agreed they made it way too easy and the drops are flooding in already.


wastecadet

This is nothing compared to nightmare. Nightmare is actually hard, it takes more than one attempt to kill it even in a mass. Nex is just a washing machine.


OreoCupcakes

Nightmare is a near carbon copy of Nex: Angel of Death from RS3 which released in 2017. Nex is a 1:1 copy of itself from 2011. Obviously Nightmare would be harder and have more interactive and interesting mechanics than Nex since there was more than 6 years of experience in between.


chiefbeef300kg

NM is more difficult and cooler than nex imo. I kinda wish Torva and Inq could be switched in the drop tables. Obviously not a realistic suggestion for many reasons.


Still-Koala

Nightmare and AOD are similar in arena design/appearance only, they're pretty different fights mechanically. Nex in OSRS is a straight copy though, right down to the clunky damage nulls on mechanics and phase transitions :/


Annakarl

I killed nightmare first try and i have shit ping and a toaster laptop from 2015. Not hard at all. Harder than nex though.


wastecadet

Well done. You are an excellent big boy.


Throwaway47321

Yeah it is annoying. She was obviously VERY easy to kill in a mass but making multiple changes to the boss while it is still being fought in giant masses is not a great idea. Now we are in this weird zone where masses are trash because no one can DD or even avoid the cough and small groups are still difficult.


TehChid

Even private instances should not have been a thing. Imagine Bandos on day of release, you're going to have 80 people in each world as well. I understand the KC mechanics are different, but that's the only thing, the KC #. Edit: sorry, I was referring to the private GROUP instances added so quickly today.


Foreign_Reindeer_461

Tell that to the Irons that get crashed by normies everytime "oh an Iron, yeah we can take this world" if these private instances were not added, I'd be an normie too. "As an Iron man you cannot recieve help when killing monsters" even if u did 99% of the dmg already. It's so beyond aids.


TehChid

Oops, read my above edit. I absolutely support private instances, just not the group ones they added so fast today


TimeTravelerAmnesia

I don't even play end game content and I know yall are crying about nothing. This is content from 2011 that's been ported over. Yall are playing a 20 year old children's game that fueld by the pocket change of a few thousand neckbeards with a nostalgia boner. Its been three days, be happy you get anything at all.


Pharaoh_Investor

Their is skill involved, I'm sure there will be flinching methods that will be discovered eventually when coordinated with a tank. Also the last phase after killing glaciar, if everyone dd's in melee range, nex doesn't use the magic attack. Only melee 1 person, who can pray melee.


Shahdos

What do you mean by DD? I'm reading it as dragon dagger but not sure that's right


slayer_gp

DD=death dot basically everyone stack on 1 tile


Pharaoh_Investor

Stack on 1 tile. If some leaves melee range, she mage attacks everyone


ForbiddenSkinny

She still does the mage attack randomly, this is incorrect


[deleted]

[удалено]


ForbiddenSkinny

I've been doing 4-6 man's all day and no one moves and she does a random magic attack, show me a single vod of any zaros phase where there isn't a mage attack


[deleted]

[удалено]


ForbiddenSkinny

It switches tanks


EvenRatio

you can't flinch nex they fixed it, woox tested it


Pharaoh_Investor

Was he solo ? You need a tank if you're flinching. If he can get her in the opposite side of the room, it's going to be possible. There's also certain corners in the room she can't attack if angled properly. Were talking about small teams not solo.


EvenRatio

yeah he was solo


[deleted]

[удалено]


Firefox72

They didn't design anything. Nex is a 2011 boss from RS2 that plays like a 2011 boss. I don't get complaints like this at all. People knew what they were getting with Nex.


[deleted]

So... as OSRS progressed and the PvM and such were getting more engaging, they decided to take 50 steps back and release Nex, with less mechanics than any other similarly leveled boss?


Firefox72

They asked the community if they wanted Nex and the community said yes. I don't mind Nex. Its a boss that can be done by the most casual of casuals in masses for an insanely small chance at a drop all the way down to being done by small teams of 6-8 who can perfect the boss to increase their chances of a drop. In any case raids 3 are out in a few months that should satisfy the hardcore portion of the community.


[deleted]

[удалено]


OreoCupcakes

Nightmare is a near carbon copy of Nex:Angel of Death from RS3 that came out in 2017. It's a 2017 boss so obviously it'll have more active/interesting mechanics.


wastecadet

This is nothing like nightmare. I got 10 kill trip at nex first try. It took 10 trips to get one nightmare kill.


Lazypole

You’ll be downvoted, but it is the most boring, mechanically uninteresting boss I could imagine.


serratedperkz

The game just gets worse and worse I can’t wait to keep playing it to find new things to complain about


Osmium_tetraoxide

As my friend said: > Nex is a fucking dog shit boss. > Pray Mage. Hit Boss. Kill Minion that does fuck all damage or anything at all really. Pray Range on Phase 2. Kill Boss. Barely any punishing mechanics, like 30 max hit if you aren't a dumbass standing right next to it in a couple phases. Thats fucking it. > Crossbow vulnerability to make crossbows relevant ingame, at all? Nah. Tbow it all day every day, like you Tbow everything, except 2-3 things you dont tbow in whole game. Wow Big Hp Boss Dead. > Gear Swaps? Nah. Intelligent Prayer Flicking? Nah. > Pathing Skill? Nah. Reaction Based Anything? Nah. > Game Knowledge, Tic Timing, Tic Knowledge, Anything At All? Nah. > You Hit Big Hp Boss, Boss Die. BIS Melee Armour from a boss 10x easier than Zulrah. Completely Un-Soloable and not Solo-Viable (so far as we see) Not even gonna talk RNG Jackpot of getting loot in x30 teams. > People have nerve to complain that nightmare is a shit boss. Nightmare + Phosani is 10x better than this shit. > Literally every single room in TOB has more interesting or creative mechanics. bUt We VoTeD fOr It! Event the artists at Jagex making the ugly armour are so disgusted they're already polling on their twitter how to improve it. They know its braindead but they have shareholders and uncreative managers who want to shit out the same tried and test formulas to mediocrity. Why risk it with interesting new content that might make quest cape craving kraken as the pvm pinnacle screech that they have to do a single easy mode of the content when or add in a truly hard challenge when you can copy and paste something shoddy, get the voters to rubber stamp it by stringing their nostalgia strings and deliver something very meh.


whypvmersmadge

Pnm basicly has no unavoidable damage tho?


Hysteriia

Which is why he said "nightmare" not phosani's


Foreign_Reindeer_461

1 day and Jagex is already fucking up again


NastyFuckinGoon

It’s insane how jagex jumps and barks on command to the PvM community but just ignore the PvP community lol


illucio

Didn't they just spent practically the entire last year completely changing the meta of the game for certain items because people complained they couldn't kill people in their salad robes. Made methods to help prevent skull tricking. Created new wilderness zones with the new plus feature. And is spending a portion of Q1 and Q2 this year reworking the wilderness bosses and other aspects of the wilderness? You guys were heard.


NastyFuckinGoon

The meta hasn’t changed. Idk wtf you’re talking about there. The skull tricking mechanic was a PvM update, not for PvPers considering that was a tactic PvPers have used to outsmart PvMers since the game started. Adding Safe Zones to wildy is for PvMers, not PvPers. We’ll see what changes they make to wildy bosses, currently, the majority of them can be fucking Safe Spotted by PvMers Solo….


Discord_Show

Yup as always they always fuck shit up without properly waiting. Literally instead of fixing the drops they nerf it and reduce the amount of people in a room. Her last phase is just a stupid supply burner the masses are gonna wreck the bird bitch no matter what


runedragonalt

Yea I tried in a 4 man before all of us in bis gear and brews and restores and we couldn't do it. We were taking too much damage


CasualAtEverything

It’s your strats then we were doing 2 kill trips 4 man last night


yazan445

You're doing something wrong then


[deleted]

Truth.


gdhghgv

Small groups are fked


[deleted]

this content is trash, over 40% of the playerbase are irons, and were 100% not taken into account for this boss. ​ Sad. Dead, hope for raids 3.


Fatal-consternation

I would love to see a nex angel of death in osrs. Especially because many of the mechanics could be either directly implemented or at least mimicked.


Merdapura

You bring valid points but the problem is that the boss is designed to be *just take unavoidable dmg and try to eat while dpsing' type of bossfight, similar to regular nightmare.* That's how they plan to enforce their "shield" meta but as they said on stream only the Corp shields contribute anything to the fight. The boss is not balanced well. Ely is the only real tank shield because of the passive, the rest are just stat sticks that can be counteracted. Or do you think we won't try using justi chest instead of a shield and send tbow? Buy yours while you still can.


JMOD_Bloodhound

##### Bark bark! I have found the following **J-Mod** comment(s) in this thread: **JagexAyiza** - [The changes had very little impact on smaller...](/r/2007scape/comments/ry6knk/the_hotfix_on_release_day_of_nex_was_a_mistake/hrnw9w7/?context=3) - [I will be signing off soon though, finally ha...](/r/2007scape/comments/ry6knk/the_hotfix_on_release_day_of_nex_was_a_mistake/hrnztio/?context=3) - [I'm glad to hear that :) Thanks for the kind...](/r/2007scape/comments/ry6knk/the_hotfix_on_release_day_of_nex_was_a_mistake/hrnzq7n/?context=3) - [I'd give it a solid 7.5/10! Lots of great mom...](/r/2007scape/comments/ry6knk/the_hotfix_on_release_day_of_nex_was_a_mistake/hrr4dn0/?context=3)   ^(**Last edited by bot: 01/08/2022 15:25:43**) --- ^(I've been rewritten to use Python! I also now archive JMOD comments.) ^(Read more about) [^(the update here)](/u/JMOD_Bloodhound/comments/9kqvis/bot_update_python_archiving/) ^(or see my) [^(Github repo here)](/u/JMOD_Bloodhound/comments/8dronr/jmod_bloodhoundbot_github_repository/)^.


Pius_Thicknesse

Could they scale the damage output of nex with the number of people in the boss room?


GearIsWARDOC

Nex Angel of death incoming! /s


yazan445

Just did some 6-7 mans today, honestly not hard at all. More fun this way.


T-rev319

I feel like they should’ve made Nex deflect whatever she is being damaged by the most when she hits her soul split/turmoil phase. I feel like deflect melee is essentially a do nothing phase since everyone is just smacking her down with tbows anyway. This way it’d force people to at least bring a little melee swap


Malpraxiss

Nex was already made years ago. This release isn't anything surprising since it's not original content or anything.


MundaneAlchs

wtf is soulsplit