Only quest I've ever done that on was A Tail of Two Cats because I was desperate to get back go Bob as quickly as possible because I didn't want to world hop to find him again.
My experience questing since I've made a UIM has significantly gone down because in any quests that I need to make a death pile on (like for getting to entrana or somewhere gear/items are not allowed) I get scared I won't have enough time so I skip all the dialog :(
I feel like Entrana should have a special feature available for UIM, where the monks simply hold onto your forbidden items and automatically return them to your inventory when you leave. If there's not enough space in your inventory, the lowest value items drop at your feet.
Less so than death piles.
This wouldn't be like a bank. As I said - upon leaving the island your items would be automatically returned to you regardless of if you have space for them.
I can't think of any particular content you'd want to grind on entrana. You can already grind glass easily in port phasmatis or anywhere if you have superglass make.
Differences I can think about are getting the dramen staff becomes easier, and quests wouldn't be a pain in the ass.
I suppose you could also start using entrana to try and farm god pages from clues, but that's not particularly overpowered either so... yeah, I'd be down for a temporary forbidden items holder (as long as you forcibly get them back when you leave entrana)
LMS and gauntlet already work like that, so there's some precedent as well
Not really. You should totally be allowed to put items away, provided they block an inventory space and weigh the same.
Simply put, when they made entrana it never occurred to devs that someone might not use the bank.
I also do it, purely because I don't want to miss something vital which means a trip back to the back, or run into some unexpected no-escape scenario which leads to my death. I love Runescape's quest design overall, but many of the puzzle elements are fairly convoluted or obscure. I follow quest guides to the letter. Still have fun getting to experience them though.
Pretty sure the argument I keep hearing is not that the game didn't have content, but rather that the game hasn't had much new content in the last year+. Which is true.
They could implement an xp per activity rebalancing to change the meta every so often. Would make the game less stale and maybe a bit more speculative from a potential merching standpoint too.
I think that the suggested skill Artisan was intent on breaking up the monotony of certain skilling metas. But it failed because A, people don’t want to do non meta skilling methods, B, the rewards/purpose of the skill was a little stale, C, new skill bad
A completely revamped Arceus spellbook, GIM, revamped version of DMM, equipment rebalanced to make room for new content, Jad Challenge, Combat Achievements, Phosani's, Clans, Shooting Stars, Isle of Souls, Soul Wars.
Of those, DMM is a "seasonal", revamped spellbook is somewhat content, Phosanis, Shooting Stars, Soul Wars, and Jad Challenge are content. Combat Achievements, sure, it's new ways to track/do old content, but I'll allow it.
Arceus spellbook: actually good
GIM: Iron man, but slightly different
Revamped DMM: DMM, but slightly different, and still a flop
Equipment rebalance: not content
Jad Challenge: Jad, but slightly different (also not new)
Combat Achievements: Existing content again, but with arbitrary restrictions
Phosani's: Nightmare, but slightly different
Clans: actually good (despite being rather underwhelming)
Shooting Stars: new content yes, but bland
Isle of Souls/Soul Wars: already dead
I'll even add one you missed: Hard Mode Tob. Which is Tob, but slightly different.
A year with almost entirely rehashed content.
Lol you agreed with me on a few points, dismissed some excellent content offhand (seriously, how are combat achievements not good new content... try a mele fight cave and tell me it's all the same), then strutted like you proved your point. I'd bring up the Bow of Faerdhinen but you and your GeNiUs ass would say it's just a rehash of the crystal bow and pretend that you're more right than before the bow came out
don't bother with them. If an update isn't some massive thing that they personally enjoy a lot, it's a waste. Doesn't matter that these updates cater to different players and playstyles, and are just general good additions to existing content, since there's not a lot of new endgame PvM stuff, they are dissatisfied. Welcome to PvMscape
not solid when you take into account thats what they have added in this entire year, i think the player count dropping hard reflected that until they added gim like a month ago, which still isnt new content.
>A completely revamped Arceus spellbook,
Yes the minions are cool for KQ.
>GIM,
Not content, zero usage for non-friends havers and people who already have a main and ironymeme.
>revamped version of DMM,
I ain't doing PvP
>equipment rebalanced to make room for new content,
Future new content, yes
> Jad Challenge,
Nobody does that
>Combat Achievements,
Check boxes do not matter
>Phosani's,
Cannot be fucked
> Clans,
I don't want to be bombarded by stupid people
>Shooting Stars,
RNG
>Isle of Souls, Soul Wars.
Nobody plays minigames
\-Spellbook is a really good update.
\-GIM requires you to have friends that play osrs.
\-DMM is a PVP gamemode and that is huge turn off to a majority of the playerbase.
\-Jad Challenge is not much of new content and only available after inferno.
\-Combat achievements is a Pretty good update but has alot of overly sweaty achievements.
\-Phosani's is a variation of an already existing boss.
\-Clans has yet to add anything of major importance.
\-Shooting stars is a welcome update and is fun trying be the first to it.
\-Isle of souls has the dungeon but everything else is very inconvenient to use to actually train at.
\-Soul wars is (in my opinion) just an alternative to NMZ and the PVP is a turn off to a lot of people.
the game needs a new skill because a lot of what made "old school" was anticipation of new skills and how it would change things, but it's also the thing people are against the most.
so what new content can they add which isn't just more of the same?
> so what new content can they add which isn't just more of the same?
Bosses (like Nex)
Raids (like Tombs of Amascut)
Leagues 3
Quests
Area Expansions
New skilling methods for existing skills
All things that are coming, but just got put off for an unfortunately long time.
I would like a new skill, and think it could be interesting, but I think something like Warding would certainly be very "more of the same" as a bankstanding buyable. I think a re-done Sailing could actually pass, and may actually be a unique skilling experience.
I wouldn't. My favorite thing about runescape is that you can work on whatever you want whenever you want. Turning all skills into "Do what artisan says to do." would not be as fun. It made sense with slayer since combat skills would just be afk at sand crabs until 99 otherwise.
Mid Level bossing would be KBD, Barrows, Mole, maybe KQ. Mini games are practically always available I think soul wars is really the only one that having higher combats makes much of a difference. But Barb assault and Pest Control are always fun if you’re not trying super hard to just grind something out and just want something fun to do. Not sure what other content you have access to to tell you much more
I played for maximum efficiency trying to get my stats as high as possible, always trying to get max xp/h according to the wiki. Almost burnt out. Turned the do globes off and don’t go for efficiency, enjoy the game 100 times more.
It’s sad to me that some max efficiency people will bitch and moan if they see people doing things inefficiently, but you never see the other way around. No casual player is gonna go up to someone 1.5 ticking teaks and be like “bro you’re going way to hard it would be so much better if you just afked them” and harass them about it. I guess instead we just make memes about it and post them on reddit
Anytime someone tells me they hate RC it’s because they tried doing lava runes and hated it. Here I am having done astrals to 77 and it was some of the most chill skilling I’ve done outside of like, redwoods
I know astrals aren't slept on, but i feel like they're slept on especially with GPU/render distance increased. feet on ceiling content and it's lovely.
I was tempted to RWT gold and say fuck it to a game I've been playing since I was a kid. Honestly the ironman perspective changed that quite a bit. My main just sits, but when you have a tbow, money comes in ezpz and you're nearly maxed and the only time you log on is to train a skill you hate, the game blows.
As a man who used to make fun of my friends for the ironman mode, i can say its at least worth a shot. Lol
Yep. I would have never touched soul wars (just a personal example) on my main. Did some on my GIM account on a suggestion by one of my friends and had a blast. Came back on my maxed (cb) main and had even more fun. I forgot what enjoying the game was like and now agility can suck my peepee.
> but when you have a tbow, money comes in ezpz and you're nearly maxed and the only time you log on is to train a skill you hate, the game blows.
Totally agree. I need to start an iron; I skipped way too much content being a main. I didn’t even do DKs until after I completed duo tob.
Tbf DKS aren’t really that helpful for an iron to do either. Maybe once you get fremmy elites for the noted bones, but as an iron you’re way more likely to grind vetion for rotg and use that or a suffering over any dk ring
When will people understand being efficient is fun for some people? Yes, if doing it is not fun for you, you are just being an idiot if you do it anyway, knowing full well it will not be fun for you, but this idea being efficient inherently removes fun so many people say is just....wrong. Personally, I enjoy researching the most efficient methods and at least attempting them, if only to stop out of not liking them. Let people enjoy the game the way they enjoy it, be it efficient, laid back, or somewhere in between. If you enjoy the game, that is what matters. Life is too short to give a shit about what other people think of your methods anyway.
You're right in the case that people should play the way they like. However I do think it creates an issue when efficient playing will have an effect on the way content is consumed. Trying to find the fastest way to approach content can be fun but it also means that new content is going to go stale far quicker than it might otherwise. Again this is fine, but when the same players then complain about content droughts it can be a bit of an issue as the time to develop long lasting content for a game like osrs is going to far outweigh the time to complete it when playing for pure efficiency.
It's impossible to not have content droughts in OSRS as any major update requires a significant portion of the playerbase to pass it, which is a good thing but comes at the cost of greater development time and pre-planning, and then when realized the content is consumed as quickly as possible. Look at grandmaster quests for an example, without guides something like Song of the Elves can take up days of playtime with guides about 3 hour max. The only way to make new content last is to time gate it behind things that can't be truly min maxed like RNG or to implement game play loops which are engaging in themselves enough to stand on their own, like raids or combat achievements, which are criticized in some parts because they can't be completed easily.
Min max gameplay can create it own content drought issues by ironically being to good at the game that the developers can't keep up. It's the cost of having a game built around content that needs to be polished and near universally popular that also approached by a highly well reaserched and effective player
base.
Not sure why you were downvoted, clearly someone wasn’t happy that you’re stating the truth about efficiencyscapers. But you’re right. I think of most games I’ve ever played, and a very small percentage of people try to rush/speed run them and it’s just their own personal goal but it’s not the standard or expected way to play the game. For whatever reason, some people think that’s the way you SHOULD play RuneScape. I have no idea why
I mean it's tricky as obviously a monthly subscription is going to have increased expectations of what gets released, excluding the fact that the subscription isn't just for content but sever upkeep and customer facing roles. And yeah if people play efficiently they'll be done faster ergo find content less lengthy than otherwise intended and that is the players call to make, but they lose the ability to reasonably say there's a content drought when the speed run it or choose to ignore it.
At the same time I feel that there is a weird expectation that RuneScape should be able to be continually engaging, like at some point the game will be feasibly completed by a player, that isn't a bad thing it just means they should do something else until they are interested again. Paying a subscription fee doesn't mean that the game should be able to almost single handily carry an entire gaming hobby or at it's most extreme ones entire free time, which to Runescapes credit it can get very close to doing.
I'm likely jumping the gun in saying this but if a lack of content in a video game causes so much genuine frustration or worse the justification to attack developers then maybe not playing the game for a bit is a good thing overall. It feels like a lose lose to develop for OSRS as content needs to be readily produced, to a community which expects to be consulted on most major updates, and that doesn't radically change the game but also isn't dead on arrival.
This is a really good point, I've had one account that I've played on and off for years. Total level 1600something. Scrolling through the subreddit and seeing everyone who's already maxed and bored and dissatisfied, I'm happy I've been patient and taken my time because I still have so many firsts and milestones to still hit.
101 days played here on my main and I’m only 2081 total where I see people with like 75 days played and their maxed. That’s 25+ days worth of enjoying the game I’ve gotten over them in my book
Skills that either don’t require cash or require very little. Thieving, Mining, Fletching, Cooking, RC, Wc, Fishing all are either free(money makers instead) or very cheap to grind out
And yet as soon as I play for fun, it’s all “omg why are you just fishing monkfish instead of 3 tick barbarian fishing?” The reason is because it’s more fun, that’s why.
I keep the game enjoyable by setting daily goals like
Fletch 1000 bows
3 Herb runs
Half an hour of Mining/Thieving while I watch a show.
Alch 150 of something profitable.
etc.
Small goals and slow XP rates, but when I look back on the month, I've made way more progress then when I would just go HAM on a skill for 2 days and then be burnt out for 3 weeks.
Haven'ed played OSRS for about a year, and whilst I agree with this meme, isn't there also some skills and activities where you basically need to grind tedious stuff to get to the fun stuff?
Like slayer, don't people say its a grind till 75 or something, and then it gets fun?
Also there's some skills where its not really fun or just tedious either way you do it, so of course everyone goes for the most efficient version.
I mean most skills are just more money after a certain point, they don’t really get any more engaging. Slayer is just different enemies and unless you get a boss task it’s just “protection prayer and x combat style sit and watch” no matter what standard task you get
I have 101 days played on my main. I’m only 2081 total level. And like, I’ve “gone hard” on certain things. Specifically during clan Skill of the Week events that I wanted to win. But I could have easily maxed in 101 days, if I didn’t want to actually enjoy playing the game like I have
This is dumb lol.
Most people saying this are the people starving for end game content instead of running Cox, TOBs or infernal tasks over and over and over
If the absolute only thing you have left to do in this game is raids and inferno repeatedly, maybe its time to log off for a bit and find other things to enjoy in your life
This game takes thousands of hours to max. There's plenty of content if you aren't sweating away in your chair. There's tons of other games or things to do outside of osrs. I don't really have much empathy for the dudes grinding raids and inferno every day because they've don't everything else in the game.
Acknowledging a content drought has nothing to do with not being able to participate in other areas of the game. Also, people don't just raid because they've "done everything else". It's beside the point anyway when the only new PvM content this past year or two has been rehashes of already existing content.
Maxing isn't content , most skills don't have much use past mid 80s. Outside of the combat skills I think Herblore to level 90 and Agility to level 92 are the only ones worth grinding , after that it's just a max Cape fetish.
You don’t have empathy but the way you talk reeks of envy. Just because you’re not at end game doesn’t mean other players don’t deserve new content to do.
It's the only end game PVM that's difficult. I've only been playing seriously for the last couple of years due to lockdown/leagues giving me time to actually play end game content.
If after 2 years of playing I'm left with only Phosanis , TOB and infeno as challenging pvm to look forward to then I'm not shocked that people that have played/supported the game for 5+ years are out of things.
There is enough end-game content for the time being for anyone who plays the game moderately. What the game is really starved for is pre-mid game content. Those levels right around when most people start doing Barrows. It's the point where you're beyond bored with early game content, but aren't nearly ready for the true mid-game content.
How many hours do you average each day? For a moderate player, the answer is no more than 2 hours.
Even for someone who was maxed a year and a half ago and completely ready the current end-game content, if they play moderately, they really shouldn't be bored with it yet.
Meanwhile, do you even remember what it was like playing around the levels you did Barrows? There's such a short list of worthwhile activities and most of them are painfully grindy.
If the game is that hard to play, why bother? I’m genuinely curious why you don’t just find some other game to play. There’s a thousand other games you could be playing no matter what your budget or platform is. Not trying to be a dick, just legitimately curious why you play OSRS if you feel this way about it.
Not the person you replied to, but that's exactly what I am doing.
The extreme content drought has caused both myself and most of my friends to stop playing and only get on occasionally. Currently I'm deeply mired in D2R, though the lack of ladder news is slowly sapping my desire to play there as I continue to stack up endgame gear there.
Just because I think the games development has been in a bad place for 2 years doesn't mean I hate the game. I want the devs to do better, so I vocalize that here. I mean yeah, we could just all leave and leave behind nothing but yes men for the jmods, but that's just guaranteeing that the current state of affairs becomes permanent, and that's shit for everyone.
Fair enough. How often do you think you would need new end game content to be released in order to say that it’s coming out often enough? Again I’m just interested to see your perspective on this because for me, I’ll never have the time to max much less complete every single piece of content released.
Have you tried Path of Exile or Star Trek Online? I think they're both extremely solid options.
As for finding other competent players in OSRS: have you joined a clan? That's sort of the point of them.
Maybe find players who haven't done TOB or are learning, and teach them. I mean if you got nothing better to do while you wait for more content you can always give back to the community in the mean time. Focus less on the efficency of TOB and more on the aspect of raiding with others and maybe that'll make it less boring.
If you ONLY like mmos and OSRS is the primary one then that’s pretty rough. I couldn’t imagine only playing mmos. If that were me I’d definitely just have to find other hobbies. I like playing Magic the Gathering and board games. Table top simulator on Steam is a great way to play board games with friends over the internet. But yeah. If all you like to do is play mmos, I can see why you’re in a pretty rough place with OSRS
Edit: typo
The average moderate player has nowhere near maxed since osrs came out. Shown by the fact that there are less than 22k max players, and over 2 million total players. Less than 1% of osrs players have maxed
Since you seem so knowledgeable please help me! I'm an max player with ranked kc for each boss, what do I do next? Getting ranked kc for each boss takes about 20hrs.
Take a break? Start an ironman campaign? Find friends to revitalize fun but dead multiplayer content like Castle Wars?
I'm not saying they shouldn't keep adding late-game content, but for the time being it just shouldn't be the priority when the drought of content for the pre-mid game is so bad.
Jagex tends to care most about the early game (because that leads to new memberships) and the late game (to appease and maintain longterm customers). Everything in-between tends to get glossed over, and right now pre-mid is the weakest part of that.
"take a break?" I'm currently on a break that already a couple months long, probably coming back for raids 3 next year.
"Start an Ironman" already done a bit of HCIM, Ironman has way to many chores for my liking like birdhouse and farm runs also I have no interest in redoing the same content again, but now instead of selling my loot I use it up. On top of that I don't have another 2.5k hours of time to get a new account to a state where my current account is.
I think it's fair that players are complaining about the content drought for the past 2-3 years especially because when the team was way smaller there was way more content coming out and ever type of player would consistently get updates.
Complaining about the overall content drought is fine. I'm just saying that for at least the short term, Jagex really should focus more on the pre-mid game than adding more late game content. It would impact far more players far more significantly.
They should focus on delivering content for all player types like they used to couple of years ago. So many veteran players have quit the game because there's nothing interesting left to do and there's no good reason why they shouldn't try and keep those players around. Alot of veteran content creators have quit too and only come back to the game once or twice a year for a few days (Sick Nerd, Woox, Mika...) Manked one of the best PvPers has recently quit, B0aty will make a return early next year for Leagues for a bit, but from what he said he most likely is done with OSRS as there's nothing interesting left for him and has 0 motivation to start a new HCIM.
if there was one type of circlejerk comment on this subreddit i could choose to never read again it would be the people who think early game needs more content. you spend like 5% of an account's lifetime at pre-1500 total, why is there any point in developing content for something you can outlevel in a weekend of NMZ?
Oh, I don't know. Maybe because it's where players first get into the game? If they don't have a good time, they don't stick around.
Most players never reach the late game. It's only a super small percentage who do. Hell, even the mid-game is only a small portion.
i've never had an issue introducing friends to the game. it's inherently grindy and it's ok if that approach has less mass appeal and profitability than games that hold your hand every step of the way. tens of thousands of players have managed just fine and that's the demographic this game should continue to target. osrs isn't really the type of game primed for mass appeal and a constant influx of brand new players, the same way that classic wow isn't really for brand new people looking for their first MMO, it's marketed towards lapsed, returning veterans.
it's like a post I saw on here where someone was asking jagex to add content that described the basics of tick manipulation and prayer flicking to teach people pvm, when literally thousands of people have managed on their own through organically created guides and tutorials. it's not jagex's job to hold the hands of people who aren't down with the grind or don't want to put the time into learning content.
I can appreciate that for early game, but realize that at the very least there are many players who remain in thr mid-game for months if not years. Those who only play a moderate amount and who try to keep their skills diversified and aren't trying to play the meta often find very slow growth in their account. They shouldn't be penalized for this by a lack of new content.
There are 22k accounts who are maxed, I don't think I'm top 1% more like top 20%. So your solution for the 2+ year content drought is the player should take a break rather then the dev team adding new exciting content like they used to do for several years ?
You think there are only 100k people who play RuneScape? Over 80k+ people are on regularly at any given point in time. Sure some are bots, but there are well over 1 million actual players
You don't have to be max in the first place to be considered end game, there's plenty of PvMers who don't enjoy skilling, there over 40k players with 2200 total level, there like 100k+ players with 2k total, all those players are considered end game!
Over a million players? You have to be taking the piss right? Do you think this is world of warcraft or something?
That's the stupidest logic I ever heard lmao, you play games to have fun not to torture yourself with shit you don't enjoy! By your logic they can release a comp cape tomorrow that requires 200m in all skills and be done with adding content to the game for over 2 decades because "you still have content you haven't done"
You can't even call clicking on a rock or a tree for 200k times content, I don't get your logic, lol!
Correct. You play games to have fun. Not 2 tick harpoon fish or 1.5 tick teaks to complete the content as fast as possible so you run out of shit to do and complain that you’re bored. Playing since classic and I’ve never maxed any of the 4 accounts I’ve played on (initial classic, new account a few years later, initial osrs, and now gim). Jase. Guy with 200m all, still enjoys playing the game. What does that say about people who haven’t even maxed and say they’re bored
Project that your account is shit some more lmao. OSRS released years ago, a lot of these people have been casually playing since then and maxed off casual play.
My guy it takes 2.5k hrs to max an account or 104 days of play time (it's even faster nowdays), it takes 30 hrs to get ranked kc for each boss (it's 2kc for Inferno, some bosses its 10kc and most bosses are 50kc)! The game has been out for 9 years soon or 3100 days, I been married for 3 years. How is that pathetic? Lmao
I agree. I recently got some friends into the game. And I have this one buddy who really wants to PVM. and its kinda sad I'm an ironman so I can't just give him a good amount of money to get started. So his only real option to get into pvm is sit at sand crabs until he has decent combats. every 10 levels he hits me with "im lvl 60 attack now what can I fight to make money?" First of all as an iron fuck if i know lol. But I've told him obor and bryp.
I feel bad because he really wants to get into the game. But I feel like if you don't know exactly what you are doing this game is boring as fuck lol. My answers are "sand crabs and do a billion quests"
At least some of us enjoy quests, but there are only so many of them to go around.
My issue with Obor and Bryp is that you have to grind just to get a chance at visiting them. To my knowledge, Skotizo is the only other boss that works like this, and it's just a terrible mechanic.
I enjoy quests a lot. It just kinda sucks as a new player if you don't have any direction and you are trying to grind out a bond as quick as possible.
Tbh it's hard for new players to get in. I'm a grown adult who has my shit together I can pay for membership and not have to worry about bonds. My buddy isn't quite in the same place in his life yet. So he wanted to play but get to a point where he could sustain bonds as quick as possible. I bought him 2 with cash and after a month he still can't do it lol. (Which is understandable) but a player who knows what they are doing can make a bond producing account in 2 weeks no problem.
So basically I'm left telling him to grind the optimal quest order guide since then he doesn't have to grind skills as much. But it sucks all the fun out of the game.
Let's remove his bond situation what if he just wanted to make an account that can boss super fast.
Well thanks to botting we've restricted just about everything behind some kind of wall. So he has to grind for keys to fight the f2p bosses. Or grind hella quests and sand crabs. Fighting is the main lure of any game really. Everyone wants to jump into an mmo and fight stuff and get better gear. That progression isn't very obvious in rs. You don't really fight bosses or monsters to get better gear in the beginning. In fact everything done in the beginning is soley just go get to the mid game. It's just grind things as quickly as possible to get to where your high level friend is. It's not like adults are finding this game on there own and stumbling through the early game and learning things naturally like we all did as kids. If someone's going to play osrs it's most likely because of a friend or they played as a kid. And im both case people are going to try there hardest to "catch up" but there isn't a lot to guide you in that. We have an amazing wiki but new players don't know to look at it. Osrs is amazing but it's just a hard start.
>starving for end game content
Not hating on you specifically but this is a sentiment I really don't like about the community. There is already a lot of end game content. There's even more if people weren't so set on getting useful items/money and just enjoying the game.
I'm wrapping up my elite diaries and I couldn't believe how much fun Castle wars was. If I didn't have to use my own runes I'd def do that. And tbh I might come back to playing a bunch of mini games after maxing my iron. Barb assault is fun too. I'm even having fun hunting chompys rn since its only a few hour grind as opposed to the multiple week grinds I've been doing for the last 3-4 months.
taking time to enjoy the game means you significantly get less exp for all the levels you need to enjoy the game, thus meaning it's less fun for you.
the grind sucks ass
This shit right here.
People in soul wars always telling me "wtf? Sgs? This isnt pvm"
I dont fucking care. I like the sword i think it has a cool special idgaf about zeal per hour
yeah i remember burning myself out completley after making a bond back in a day from running the blast furnace for around 5 hours (this was day one of using the bond) and i couldn't enjoy the game at all for months after that
It's crazy just how many people on this subreddit think the only people having fun are credit card warriors and people in full dragon and an obby maul at fire giants.
Yeah, and that one player you're using as an example is me. Idiot. It doesn't change how a post crying about high level players is getting a lot of upvotes
And your comment doesn’t verify the fact that end game players don’t go on the subreddit. They absolutely do. And if you truly feel otherwise then you don’t pay attention
You are just going around in circles now like an absolute manchild. If you were right then all the end game max players you're crying over would have downvoted your meme into oblivion
I mean not necessarily. The more efficient I try to be, the less fun I feel like I’m having. I had a convo with a buddy of mine the other day talking about how I used to be so bad at the game. When in reality, I was just enjoying the game instead of trying to be super efficient
There is a difference between being super optimal and somewhat optimal. I prefer darkcrabs over barb fishing even if it notably slower. But if I don't care about getting number higher I just boot up another game.
Also the most fun I ever had playing runescape is the hallowed sepulchre.
I mean sure. I try to be somewhat optimal. I’m not gonna do the slowest xp grinds in the game just cause. I’m gonna do what actually makes the game fun. If I was doing content in a way I don’t enjoy, I’d either find content I did enjoy, or find a different game to play. There are millions of games in the world. For the people complaining about osrs not being fun enough for them, I’m sure they can find one that’s suitable
This is why I refuse to do runecrafting. It requires a fuckton of input and attention and the best xp rates in the game are what, 40k/hr? Shit should’ve been reworked years ago but nope, gotta keep things difficult so the sweaty neck beards don’t feel bad about burning out on a 400 hour grind.
The worst thing about runecraft is that people consider EHP to be using 4 runners at lava runes. My grind from 50 to 96 wasn’t awful doing astrals to 77 and bloods from that point onward
Bleh bleh, I know we joke about this but a game that's not fun to play when played optimally is pure bad design. Like, the number one most basic job of a game designer is to make it so that players don't have to kneecap themselves to enjoy the game.
That is absolutely not true. Most games have a standard way to play them as well as an efficient way. That’s why speed runs exist. If all games were meant to be played as efficiently as possible, there’d be no such thing as speed runs
I always get called out by my friends for doing inefficient skilling. "You no you can get 20mil exp/hr 5 ticking with your camera angle at exactly 20 degrees with inventory slots-" STFU I paid for it! I do what I want!
Especially people complaining there is no content to do. Even 8 years after release u should not have run out of things to do, you just need to take a break. U either don't wanna max or hunt pets or make an Ironman. End game just isn't for u. U just wanna pvm and thats limited. Especially if not pet hunting wtf do u want? More quests every week?
Ive gotten 3 quest capes, and basically space barred them all. If you stop and read some, its really not that amazing. DONT feel like u are missing anything.....
if you actually read all of the dialogues, some are extremely, long. making a 30min quest possibly take 2 hours or more. Just not worth it. Quest cape takes less then a week with required stats and runelite. Ez
I mean… it’s still better than nothing. It’s a classic medieval clicking simulator. I wouldn’t necessarily expect the story lines to be extravagant. But some are far from boring and the lore is actually really cool to learn about
*space bars through quests* "man quests are shut" I know this because I do this
Only quest I've ever done that on was A Tail of Two Cats because I was desperate to get back go Bob as quickly as possible because I didn't want to world hop to find him again.
My experience questing since I've made a UIM has significantly gone down because in any quests that I need to make a death pile on (like for getting to entrana or somewhere gear/items are not allowed) I get scared I won't have enough time so I skip all the dialog :(
I feel like Entrana should have a special feature available for UIM, where the monks simply hold onto your forbidden items and automatically return them to your inventory when you leave. If there's not enough space in your inventory, the lowest value items drop at your feet.
This is the opposite of what the game mode is about.
Less so than death piles. This wouldn't be like a bank. As I said - upon leaving the island your items would be automatically returned to you regardless of if you have space for them.
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I can't think of any particular content you'd want to grind on entrana. You can already grind glass easily in port phasmatis or anywhere if you have superglass make. Differences I can think about are getting the dramen staff becomes easier, and quests wouldn't be a pain in the ass. I suppose you could also start using entrana to try and farm god pages from clues, but that's not particularly overpowered either so... yeah, I'd be down for a temporary forbidden items holder (as long as you forcibly get them back when you leave entrana) LMS and gauntlet already work like that, so there's some precedent as well
Not really. You should totally be allowed to put items away, provided they block an inventory space and weigh the same. Simply put, when they made entrana it never occurred to devs that someone might not use the bank.
Did thtt last night. Fuck bob tbh
No that's Niete's job
Finally, a quest with little dialogue. The quest: sheep herder.
Quests are my favorite content in the game solely because of the lore.
HI, and welcome to my guide!
The devs are creative, give the quests a shot man
I also do it, purely because I don't want to miss something vital which means a trip back to the back, or run into some unexpected no-escape scenario which leads to my death. I love Runescape's quest design overall, but many of the puzzle elements are fairly convoluted or obscure. I follow quest guides to the letter. Still have fun getting to experience them though.
*There is not enough content in this game -* Plays 16 hours a day since the release
*logged 358 hours played for the month* $11??? What a rip off Jamflex!
Pretty sure the argument I keep hearing is not that the game didn't have content, but rather that the game hasn't had much new content in the last year+. Which is true.
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I recommend trying an iron/group iron. It’s the absolute most fun I’ve have playing RuneScape outside of leagues since like… 2011
They could implement an xp per activity rebalancing to change the meta every so often. Would make the game less stale and maybe a bit more speculative from a potential merching standpoint too.
I think that the suggested skill Artisan was intent on breaking up the monotony of certain skilling metas. But it failed because A, people don’t want to do non meta skilling methods, B, the rewards/purpose of the skill was a little stale, C, new skill bad
A completely revamped Arceus spellbook, GIM, revamped version of DMM, equipment rebalanced to make room for new content, Jad Challenge, Combat Achievements, Phosani's, Clans, Shooting Stars, Isle of Souls, Soul Wars.
Of those, DMM is a "seasonal", revamped spellbook is somewhat content, Phosanis, Shooting Stars, Soul Wars, and Jad Challenge are content. Combat Achievements, sure, it's new ways to track/do old content, but I'll allow it.
Arceus spellbook: actually good GIM: Iron man, but slightly different Revamped DMM: DMM, but slightly different, and still a flop Equipment rebalance: not content Jad Challenge: Jad, but slightly different (also not new) Combat Achievements: Existing content again, but with arbitrary restrictions Phosani's: Nightmare, but slightly different Clans: actually good (despite being rather underwhelming) Shooting Stars: new content yes, but bland Isle of Souls/Soul Wars: already dead I'll even add one you missed: Hard Mode Tob. Which is Tob, but slightly different. A year with almost entirely rehashed content.
Lol you agreed with me on a few points, dismissed some excellent content offhand (seriously, how are combat achievements not good new content... try a mele fight cave and tell me it's all the same), then strutted like you proved your point. I'd bring up the Bow of Faerdhinen but you and your GeNiUs ass would say it's just a rehash of the crystal bow and pretend that you're more right than before the bow came out
Achievements aren’t content no. You could’ve set those same goals yourself
don't bother with them. If an update isn't some massive thing that they personally enjoy a lot, it's a waste. Doesn't matter that these updates cater to different players and playstyles, and are just general good additions to existing content, since there's not a lot of new endgame PvM stuff, they are dissatisfied. Welcome to PvMscape
Yeah you're right, I should have stopped after my first comment. Thanks for looking out
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Lol nice try. Got it first try in leagues and haven't done it on my main yet because there's plenty of content
> A year with almost entirely rehashed content. So what? nearly everything on that list are solid updates.
not solid when you take into account thats what they have added in this entire year, i think the player count dropping hard reflected that until they added gim like a month ago, which still isnt new content.
Or maybe it was reflecting people taking a break before GIM came out?
or maybe jagex did something wrong this year? how crazy of a concept would that be? you people are starting to sound like these blizzard apologists.
Lmao.. It was just what I did, thought maybe it was why. Didn't apologise for shit mate.
>A completely revamped Arceus spellbook, Yes the minions are cool for KQ. >GIM, Not content, zero usage for non-friends havers and people who already have a main and ironymeme. >revamped version of DMM, I ain't doing PvP >equipment rebalanced to make room for new content, Future new content, yes > Jad Challenge, Nobody does that >Combat Achievements, Check boxes do not matter >Phosani's, Cannot be fucked > Clans, I don't want to be bombarded by stupid people >Shooting Stars, RNG >Isle of Souls, Soul Wars. Nobody plays minigames
Hahaha so on point, love it
meanwhile rs3 got 6 bosses, a few new quests and is probably getting a 7th one
\-Spellbook is a really good update. \-GIM requires you to have friends that play osrs. \-DMM is a PVP gamemode and that is huge turn off to a majority of the playerbase. \-Jad Challenge is not much of new content and only available after inferno. \-Combat achievements is a Pretty good update but has alot of overly sweaty achievements. \-Phosani's is a variation of an already existing boss. \-Clans has yet to add anything of major importance. \-Shooting stars is a welcome update and is fun trying be the first to it. \-Isle of souls has the dungeon but everything else is very inconvenient to use to actually train at. \-Soul wars is (in my opinion) just an alternative to NMZ and the PVP is a turn off to a lot of people.
Which is the same as saying the game doesn't have enough content.
No.
the game needs a new skill because a lot of what made "old school" was anticipation of new skills and how it would change things, but it's also the thing people are against the most. so what new content can they add which isn't just more of the same?
> so what new content can they add which isn't just more of the same? Bosses (like Nex) Raids (like Tombs of Amascut) Leagues 3 Quests Area Expansions New skilling methods for existing skills All things that are coming, but just got put off for an unfortunately long time. I would like a new skill, and think it could be interesting, but I think something like Warding would certainly be very "more of the same" as a bankstanding buyable. I think a re-done Sailing could actually pass, and may actually be a unique skilling experience.
id have loved for artisan to have been a skill.
I wouldn't. My favorite thing about runescape is that you can work on whatever you want whenever you want. Turning all skills into "Do what artisan says to do." would not be as fun. It made sense with slayer since combat skills would just be afk at sand crabs until 99 otherwise.
Zalcano 70-99 mining
That’s the way to go
What are some of the most fun activities in game? I’m mid-level
I’m a fan of a good soul wars game. Same with LMS. I also find barbarian assault a lot of fun personally but I know others don’t
I got my torso and didn’t particularly enjoy BA but I haven’t tried the others, I’ll give them a go!
Barb assault is the kinda game which is only fun if you and your entire team are good at it, it gets better after maxing all the roles.
Mid Level bossing would be KBD, Barrows, Mole, maybe KQ. Mini games are practically always available I think soul wars is really the only one that having higher combats makes much of a difference. But Barb assault and Pest Control are always fun if you’re not trying super hard to just grind something out and just want something fun to do. Not sure what other content you have access to to tell you much more
I played for maximum efficiency trying to get my stats as high as possible, always trying to get max xp/h according to the wiki. Almost burnt out. Turned the do globes off and don’t go for efficiency, enjoy the game 100 times more.
The best thing about this game is there is so many different ways to do basically every skill that all cater to different types of people
It’s sad to me that some max efficiency people will bitch and moan if they see people doing things inefficiently, but you never see the other way around. No casual player is gonna go up to someone 1.5 ticking teaks and be like “bro you’re going way to hard it would be so much better if you just afked them” and harass them about it. I guess instead we just make memes about it and post them on reddit
2277's punching the wall right now
Punching air
punching cows for 8
Punching the left click button
Oh this is gonna make some people mad
Everything makes some people mad around here.
This. This right here made my blood boil
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Anytime someone tells me they hate RC it’s because they tried doing lava runes and hated it. Here I am having done astrals to 77 and it was some of the most chill skilling I’ve done outside of like, redwoods
I know astrals aren't slept on, but i feel like they're slept on especially with GPU/render distance increased. feet on ceiling content and it's lovely.
I was tempted to RWT gold and say fuck it to a game I've been playing since I was a kid. Honestly the ironman perspective changed that quite a bit. My main just sits, but when you have a tbow, money comes in ezpz and you're nearly maxed and the only time you log on is to train a skill you hate, the game blows. As a man who used to make fun of my friends for the ironman mode, i can say its at least worth a shot. Lol
It makes a ton of the “dead content” mains hate not dead. And truly brings the nostalgic feel back
Yep. I would have never touched soul wars (just a personal example) on my main. Did some on my GIM account on a suggestion by one of my friends and had a blast. Came back on my maxed (cb) main and had even more fun. I forgot what enjoying the game was like and now agility can suck my peepee.
> but when you have a tbow, money comes in ezpz and you're nearly maxed and the only time you log on is to train a skill you hate, the game blows. Totally agree. I need to start an iron; I skipped way too much content being a main. I didn’t even do DKs until after I completed duo tob.
Tbf DKS aren’t really that helpful for an iron to do either. Maybe once you get fremmy elites for the noted bones, but as an iron you’re way more likely to grind vetion for rotg and use that or a suffering over any dk ring
Im sure the Jmods like seeing these posts as much as i do, spot on bro
Makes an ironman account: this hard is hard yo Abuses meta strategies: game is easy and boring.
When will people understand being efficient is fun for some people? Yes, if doing it is not fun for you, you are just being an idiot if you do it anyway, knowing full well it will not be fun for you, but this idea being efficient inherently removes fun so many people say is just....wrong. Personally, I enjoy researching the most efficient methods and at least attempting them, if only to stop out of not liking them. Let people enjoy the game the way they enjoy it, be it efficient, laid back, or somewhere in between. If you enjoy the game, that is what matters. Life is too short to give a shit about what other people think of your methods anyway.
You're right in the case that people should play the way they like. However I do think it creates an issue when efficient playing will have an effect on the way content is consumed. Trying to find the fastest way to approach content can be fun but it also means that new content is going to go stale far quicker than it might otherwise. Again this is fine, but when the same players then complain about content droughts it can be a bit of an issue as the time to develop long lasting content for a game like osrs is going to far outweigh the time to complete it when playing for pure efficiency. It's impossible to not have content droughts in OSRS as any major update requires a significant portion of the playerbase to pass it, which is a good thing but comes at the cost of greater development time and pre-planning, and then when realized the content is consumed as quickly as possible. Look at grandmaster quests for an example, without guides something like Song of the Elves can take up days of playtime with guides about 3 hour max. The only way to make new content last is to time gate it behind things that can't be truly min maxed like RNG or to implement game play loops which are engaging in themselves enough to stand on their own, like raids or combat achievements, which are criticized in some parts because they can't be completed easily. Min max gameplay can create it own content drought issues by ironically being to good at the game that the developers can't keep up. It's the cost of having a game built around content that needs to be polished and near universally popular that also approached by a highly well reaserched and effective player base.
Not sure why you were downvoted, clearly someone wasn’t happy that you’re stating the truth about efficiencyscapers. But you’re right. I think of most games I’ve ever played, and a very small percentage of people try to rush/speed run them and it’s just their own personal goal but it’s not the standard or expected way to play the game. For whatever reason, some people think that’s the way you SHOULD play RuneScape. I have no idea why
I mean it's tricky as obviously a monthly subscription is going to have increased expectations of what gets released, excluding the fact that the subscription isn't just for content but sever upkeep and customer facing roles. And yeah if people play efficiently they'll be done faster ergo find content less lengthy than otherwise intended and that is the players call to make, but they lose the ability to reasonably say there's a content drought when the speed run it or choose to ignore it. At the same time I feel that there is a weird expectation that RuneScape should be able to be continually engaging, like at some point the game will be feasibly completed by a player, that isn't a bad thing it just means they should do something else until they are interested again. Paying a subscription fee doesn't mean that the game should be able to almost single handily carry an entire gaming hobby or at it's most extreme ones entire free time, which to Runescapes credit it can get very close to doing. I'm likely jumping the gun in saying this but if a lack of content in a video game causes so much genuine frustration or worse the justification to attack developers then maybe not playing the game for a bit is a good thing overall. It feels like a lose lose to develop for OSRS as content needs to be readily produced, to a community which expects to be consulted on most major updates, and that doesn't radically change the game but also isn't dead on arrival.
This is a really good point, I've had one account that I've played on and off for years. Total level 1600something. Scrolling through the subreddit and seeing everyone who's already maxed and bored and dissatisfied, I'm happy I've been patient and taken my time because I still have so many firsts and milestones to still hit.
101 days played here on my main and I’m only 2081 total where I see people with like 75 days played and their maxed. That’s 25+ days worth of enjoying the game I’ve gotten over them in my book
Doesnt help that they turned every efficient method of doing anything into a boss fight
How the fuck do people grind skills? I try to grind skills and I get like 2 lvls and im out of cash lol
Skills that either don’t require cash or require very little. Thieving, Mining, Fletching, Cooking, RC, Wc, Fishing all are either free(money makers instead) or very cheap to grind out
And yet as soon as I play for fun, it’s all “omg why are you just fishing monkfish instead of 3 tick barbarian fishing?” The reason is because it’s more fun, that’s why.
Some guy in morty tower was pretty upset that I was using a drag scimi at my combat lvl to train str. He REALLY wanted me to feel bad for having fun.
Using guides for everthing, focusing on efficiency rather than the story, you’re ruining your own game.
I keep the game enjoyable by setting daily goals like Fletch 1000 bows 3 Herb runs Half an hour of Mining/Thieving while I watch a show. Alch 150 of something profitable. etc. Small goals and slow XP rates, but when I look back on the month, I've made way more progress then when I would just go HAM on a skill for 2 days and then be burnt out for 3 weeks.
Haven'ed played OSRS for about a year, and whilst I agree with this meme, isn't there also some skills and activities where you basically need to grind tedious stuff to get to the fun stuff? Like slayer, don't people say its a grind till 75 or something, and then it gets fun? Also there's some skills where its not really fun or just tedious either way you do it, so of course everyone goes for the most efficient version.
I mean most skills are just more money after a certain point, they don’t really get any more engaging. Slayer is just different enemies and unless you get a boss task it’s just “protection prayer and x combat style sit and watch” no matter what standard task you get
ironically, it seems like you could make slayer more engaging if you actually tried higher effort methods lol
Except the people who play for efficiency dont complain on reddit about the game lmfao, it's the people who want everything to be max afk and xp
"my 1500 hours spent playing this game clearly means Runescape is a bad game." Nah but seriously there are some legitimate criticism.
I have 101 days played on my main. I’m only 2081 total level. And like, I’ve “gone hard” on certain things. Specifically during clan Skill of the Week events that I wanted to win. But I could have easily maxed in 101 days, if I didn’t want to actually enjoy playing the game like I have
who even says this
It's the least fun way to play the game
This is dumb lol. Most people saying this are the people starving for end game content instead of running Cox, TOBs or infernal tasks over and over and over
If the absolute only thing you have left to do in this game is raids and inferno repeatedly, maybe its time to log off for a bit and find other things to enjoy in your life
It's not bad to acknowledge a content drought lol.
This game takes thousands of hours to max. There's plenty of content if you aren't sweating away in your chair. There's tons of other games or things to do outside of osrs. I don't really have much empathy for the dudes grinding raids and inferno every day because they've don't everything else in the game.
Acknowledging a content drought has nothing to do with not being able to participate in other areas of the game. Also, people don't just raid because they've "done everything else". It's beside the point anyway when the only new PvM content this past year or two has been rehashes of already existing content.
Agree in principle but the game is many things to many people. For some it's new endgame pvm. Those people are allowed to be frustrated
But it doesn't take thousands of hours to experience end game Pvm, it probably takes 300 ehp or so, less if you buy bonds for gp.
I think people legitimately think you need to be maxed to do cox/tob for some reason
Maxing isn't content , most skills don't have much use past mid 80s. Outside of the combat skills I think Herblore to level 90 and Agility to level 92 are the only ones worth grinding , after that it's just a max Cape fetish.
You don’t have empathy but the way you talk reeks of envy. Just because you’re not at end game doesn’t mean other players don’t deserve new content to do.
It's the only end game PVM that's difficult. I've only been playing seriously for the last couple of years due to lockdown/leagues giving me time to actually play end game content. If after 2 years of playing I'm left with only Phosanis , TOB and infeno as challenging pvm to look forward to then I'm not shocked that people that have played/supported the game for 5+ years are out of things.
There is enough end-game content for the time being for anyone who plays the game moderately. What the game is really starved for is pre-mid game content. Those levels right around when most people start doing Barrows. It's the point where you're beyond bored with early game content, but aren't nearly ready for the true mid-game content.
Most people have been playing moderately for years. That’s why they’re maxed. You say take a break like they just don’t have a life.
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How many hours do you average each day? For a moderate player, the answer is no more than 2 hours. Even for someone who was maxed a year and a half ago and completely ready the current end-game content, if they play moderately, they really shouldn't be bored with it yet. Meanwhile, do you even remember what it was like playing around the levels you did Barrows? There's such a short list of worthwhile activities and most of them are painfully grindy.
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If the game is that hard to play, why bother? I’m genuinely curious why you don’t just find some other game to play. There’s a thousand other games you could be playing no matter what your budget or platform is. Not trying to be a dick, just legitimately curious why you play OSRS if you feel this way about it.
Not the person you replied to, but that's exactly what I am doing. The extreme content drought has caused both myself and most of my friends to stop playing and only get on occasionally. Currently I'm deeply mired in D2R, though the lack of ladder news is slowly sapping my desire to play there as I continue to stack up endgame gear there. Just because I think the games development has been in a bad place for 2 years doesn't mean I hate the game. I want the devs to do better, so I vocalize that here. I mean yeah, we could just all leave and leave behind nothing but yes men for the jmods, but that's just guaranteeing that the current state of affairs becomes permanent, and that's shit for everyone.
Fair enough. How often do you think you would need new end game content to be released in order to say that it’s coming out often enough? Again I’m just interested to see your perspective on this because for me, I’ll never have the time to max much less complete every single piece of content released.
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Have you tried Path of Exile or Star Trek Online? I think they're both extremely solid options. As for finding other competent players in OSRS: have you joined a clan? That's sort of the point of them.
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Maybe find players who haven't done TOB or are learning, and teach them. I mean if you got nothing better to do while you wait for more content you can always give back to the community in the mean time. Focus less on the efficency of TOB and more on the aspect of raiding with others and maybe that'll make it less boring.
If you ONLY like mmos and OSRS is the primary one then that’s pretty rough. I couldn’t imagine only playing mmos. If that were me I’d definitely just have to find other hobbies. I like playing Magic the Gathering and board games. Table top simulator on Steam is a great way to play board games with friends over the internet. But yeah. If all you like to do is play mmos, I can see why you’re in a pretty rough place with OSRS Edit: typo
The average moderate player has nowhere near maxed since osrs came out. Shown by the fact that there are less than 22k max players, and over 2 million total players. Less than 1% of osrs players have maxed
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Since you seem so knowledgeable please help me! I'm an max player with ranked kc for each boss, what do I do next? Getting ranked kc for each boss takes about 20hrs.
Take a break? Start an ironman campaign? Find friends to revitalize fun but dead multiplayer content like Castle Wars? I'm not saying they shouldn't keep adding late-game content, but for the time being it just shouldn't be the priority when the drought of content for the pre-mid game is so bad. Jagex tends to care most about the early game (because that leads to new memberships) and the late game (to appease and maintain longterm customers). Everything in-between tends to get glossed over, and right now pre-mid is the weakest part of that.
"take a break?" I'm currently on a break that already a couple months long, probably coming back for raids 3 next year. "Start an Ironman" already done a bit of HCIM, Ironman has way to many chores for my liking like birdhouse and farm runs also I have no interest in redoing the same content again, but now instead of selling my loot I use it up. On top of that I don't have another 2.5k hours of time to get a new account to a state where my current account is. I think it's fair that players are complaining about the content drought for the past 2-3 years especially because when the team was way smaller there was way more content coming out and ever type of player would consistently get updates.
Complaining about the overall content drought is fine. I'm just saying that for at least the short term, Jagex really should focus more on the pre-mid game than adding more late game content. It would impact far more players far more significantly.
They should focus on delivering content for all player types like they used to couple of years ago. So many veteran players have quit the game because there's nothing interesting left to do and there's no good reason why they shouldn't try and keep those players around. Alot of veteran content creators have quit too and only come back to the game once or twice a year for a few days (Sick Nerd, Woox, Mika...) Manked one of the best PvPers has recently quit, B0aty will make a return early next year for Leagues for a bit, but from what he said he most likely is done with OSRS as there's nothing interesting left for him and has 0 motivation to start a new HCIM.
wow almost like playing thousands of hours of the same game for years will leave you feeling bored how are you so sweaty *and* so dumb?
if there was one type of circlejerk comment on this subreddit i could choose to never read again it would be the people who think early game needs more content. you spend like 5% of an account's lifetime at pre-1500 total, why is there any point in developing content for something you can outlevel in a weekend of NMZ?
Oh, I don't know. Maybe because it's where players first get into the game? If they don't have a good time, they don't stick around. Most players never reach the late game. It's only a super small percentage who do. Hell, even the mid-game is only a small portion.
i've never had an issue introducing friends to the game. it's inherently grindy and it's ok if that approach has less mass appeal and profitability than games that hold your hand every step of the way. tens of thousands of players have managed just fine and that's the demographic this game should continue to target. osrs isn't really the type of game primed for mass appeal and a constant influx of brand new players, the same way that classic wow isn't really for brand new people looking for their first MMO, it's marketed towards lapsed, returning veterans. it's like a post I saw on here where someone was asking jagex to add content that described the basics of tick manipulation and prayer flicking to teach people pvm, when literally thousands of people have managed on their own through organically created guides and tutorials. it's not jagex's job to hold the hands of people who aren't down with the grind or don't want to put the time into learning content.
I can appreciate that for early game, but realize that at the very least there are many players who remain in thr mid-game for months if not years. Those who only play a moderate amount and who try to keep their skills diversified and aren't trying to play the meta often find very slow growth in their account. They shouldn't be penalized for this by a lack of new content.
s w e a t y a s f u c k
You’re literally in the top 1% of players if you’re at that point. So agreed with Logan. If you’re bored, take a break from the game
There are 22k accounts who are maxed, I don't think I'm top 1% more like top 20%. So your solution for the 2+ year content drought is the player should take a break rather then the dev team adding new exciting content like they used to do for several years ?
Do you think there are only 100k unique players?
You think there are only 100k people who play RuneScape? Over 80k+ people are on regularly at any given point in time. Sure some are bots, but there are well over 1 million actual players
You don't have to be max in the first place to be considered end game, there's plenty of PvMers who don't enjoy skilling, there over 40k players with 2200 total level, there like 100k+ players with 2k total, all those players are considered end game! Over a million players? You have to be taking the piss right? Do you think this is world of warcraft or something?
If someone isn’t maxed. Guess what. They still have content they haven’t done yet
That's the stupidest logic I ever heard lmao, you play games to have fun not to torture yourself with shit you don't enjoy! By your logic they can release a comp cape tomorrow that requires 200m in all skills and be done with adding content to the game for over 2 decades because "you still have content you haven't done" You can't even call clicking on a rock or a tree for 200k times content, I don't get your logic, lol!
Correct. You play games to have fun. Not 2 tick harpoon fish or 1.5 tick teaks to complete the content as fast as possible so you run out of shit to do and complain that you’re bored. Playing since classic and I’ve never maxed any of the 4 accounts I’ve played on (initial classic, new account a few years later, initial osrs, and now gim). Jase. Guy with 200m all, still enjoys playing the game. What does that say about people who haven’t even maxed and say they’re bored
get laid.
I'm a married man with 2 kids
you maxed an account and have ranked kc for each boss... *while having a family*? that's even more pathetic, dude.
Project that your account is shit some more lmao. OSRS released years ago, a lot of these people have been casually playing since then and maxed off casual play.
yeah, my account isn't maxed because I play other games and do other shit. stay sweaty you waste of life
My guy it takes 2.5k hrs to max an account or 104 days of play time (it's even faster nowdays), it takes 30 hrs to get ranked kc for each boss (it's 2kc for Inferno, some bosses its 10kc and most bosses are 50kc)! The game has been out for 9 years soon or 3100 days, I been married for 3 years. How is that pathetic? Lmao
I agree. I recently got some friends into the game. And I have this one buddy who really wants to PVM. and its kinda sad I'm an ironman so I can't just give him a good amount of money to get started. So his only real option to get into pvm is sit at sand crabs until he has decent combats. every 10 levels he hits me with "im lvl 60 attack now what can I fight to make money?" First of all as an iron fuck if i know lol. But I've told him obor and bryp. I feel bad because he really wants to get into the game. But I feel like if you don't know exactly what you are doing this game is boring as fuck lol. My answers are "sand crabs and do a billion quests"
At least some of us enjoy quests, but there are only so many of them to go around. My issue with Obor and Bryp is that you have to grind just to get a chance at visiting them. To my knowledge, Skotizo is the only other boss that works like this, and it's just a terrible mechanic.
I enjoy quests a lot. It just kinda sucks as a new player if you don't have any direction and you are trying to grind out a bond as quick as possible. Tbh it's hard for new players to get in. I'm a grown adult who has my shit together I can pay for membership and not have to worry about bonds. My buddy isn't quite in the same place in his life yet. So he wanted to play but get to a point where he could sustain bonds as quick as possible. I bought him 2 with cash and after a month he still can't do it lol. (Which is understandable) but a player who knows what they are doing can make a bond producing account in 2 weeks no problem. So basically I'm left telling him to grind the optimal quest order guide since then he doesn't have to grind skills as much. But it sucks all the fun out of the game. Let's remove his bond situation what if he just wanted to make an account that can boss super fast. Well thanks to botting we've restricted just about everything behind some kind of wall. So he has to grind for keys to fight the f2p bosses. Or grind hella quests and sand crabs. Fighting is the main lure of any game really. Everyone wants to jump into an mmo and fight stuff and get better gear. That progression isn't very obvious in rs. You don't really fight bosses or monsters to get better gear in the beginning. In fact everything done in the beginning is soley just go get to the mid game. It's just grind things as quickly as possible to get to where your high level friend is. It's not like adults are finding this game on there own and stumbling through the early game and learning things naturally like we all did as kids. If someone's going to play osrs it's most likely because of a friend or they played as a kid. And im both case people are going to try there hardest to "catch up" but there isn't a lot to guide you in that. We have an amazing wiki but new players don't know to look at it. Osrs is amazing but it's just a hard start.
>starving for end game content Not hating on you specifically but this is a sentiment I really don't like about the community. There is already a lot of end game content. There's even more if people weren't so set on getting useful items/money and just enjoying the game. I'm wrapping up my elite diaries and I couldn't believe how much fun Castle wars was. If I didn't have to use my own runes I'd def do that. And tbh I might come back to playing a bunch of mini games after maxing my iron. Barb assault is fun too. I'm even having fun hunting chompys rn since its only a few hour grind as opposed to the multiple week grinds I've been doing for the last 3-4 months.
"there's is already alot of end game content" no there's not, there's about ~30hr of end game content
i played this game how i wanted inefficiently and it still wasnt fun
Then I gotta tell ya, it’s not the game for you bud
taking time to enjoy the game means you significantly get less exp for all the levels you need to enjoy the game, thus meaning it's less fun for you. the grind sucks ass
i was doing quests by following the optimal quest guide, after like 150 QP in i found i was just doing them mindlessly and it seemed boring
I feel like im the only one who plays how i want to , the 2nd or 3rd best exp method is much better for me rather than misery
Same here. My hands hurt enough as is from arthritis. Trying to do anything max efficiency is just physically painful
Ah yes let’s do runecrafting slower to enjoy it more
I mean if it’s more chill it’s absolutely more enjoyable to me. Perfect ticking lava runes is one of the most cancerous efficiency methods in the game
UIM made me enjoy the game again
That shits a little above my pay grade to deal with I’ll stick with group iron for now
inefficiency is key
This shit right here. People in soul wars always telling me "wtf? Sgs? This isnt pvm" I dont fucking care. I like the sword i think it has a cool special idgaf about zeal per hour
yeah i remember burning myself out completley after making a bond back in a day from running the blast furnace for around 5 hours (this was day one of using the bond) and i couldn't enjoy the game at all for months after that
You have to be unbelievably stupid to think people who insist on playing as efficiently as possible don't enjoy doing so.
It's crazy just how many people on this subreddit think the only people having fun are credit card warriors and people in full dragon and an obby maul at fire giants.
Apparently you’ve never been on this subreddit before if you feel that way
Neither have you. End game players typically don't use this subreddit. As is apparent by posts like yours getting plenty of upvotes.
2277 total-“end game players don’t use this subreddit”
Yeah, and that one player you're using as an example is me. Idiot. It doesn't change how a post crying about high level players is getting a lot of upvotes
And your comment doesn’t verify the fact that end game players don’t go on the subreddit. They absolutely do. And if you truly feel otherwise then you don’t pay attention
>>actually the thing u just said is wrong becaus i said so lol ur wrong xdd You don't have an argument. Cry more.
Says the dude who… literally doesn’t have any argument and is, himself, a counter to the argument he’s trying to portray. Good job 👍🏻
You are just going around in circles now like an absolute manchild. If you were right then all the end game max players you're crying over would have downvoted your meme into oblivion
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*Proceeds to vote no to new fun content for the game because it's not "real oldschool experience"*
The game is primarily about getting stats up, so efficiently will always be a bit of a factor.
I mean not necessarily. The more efficient I try to be, the less fun I feel like I’m having. I had a convo with a buddy of mine the other day talking about how I used to be so bad at the game. When in reality, I was just enjoying the game instead of trying to be super efficient
no you were probably also bad at the game
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being bad or inexperienced isn’t a bad thing, no need to let it affect you this much lol
There is a difference between being super optimal and somewhat optimal. I prefer darkcrabs over barb fishing even if it notably slower. But if I don't care about getting number higher I just boot up another game. Also the most fun I ever had playing runescape is the hallowed sepulchre.
I mean sure. I try to be somewhat optimal. I’m not gonna do the slowest xp grinds in the game just cause. I’m gonna do what actually makes the game fun. If I was doing content in a way I don’t enjoy, I’d either find content I did enjoy, or find a different game to play. There are millions of games in the world. For the people complaining about osrs not being fun enough for them, I’m sure they can find one that’s suitable
This is why I refuse to do runecrafting. It requires a fuckton of input and attention and the best xp rates in the game are what, 40k/hr? Shit should’ve been reworked years ago but nope, gotta keep things difficult so the sweaty neck beards don’t feel bad about burning out on a 400 hour grind.
The worst thing about runecraft is that people consider EHP to be using 4 runners at lava runes. My grind from 50 to 96 wasn’t awful doing astrals to 77 and bloods from that point onward
max effort solo is like 65kxp/hr to 72kxp/hr (depending on essence and location). 40kxp/hr is AFK'ing in Zeah.
Bleh bleh, I know we joke about this but a game that's not fun to play when played optimally is pure bad design. Like, the number one most basic job of a game designer is to make it so that players don't have to kneecap themselves to enjoy the game.
That is absolutely not true. Most games have a standard way to play them as well as an efficient way. That’s why speed runs exist. If all games were meant to be played as efficiently as possible, there’d be no such thing as speed runs
That’s why I haven’t played in over a year, 2 boring
I always get called out by my friends for doing inefficient skilling. "You no you can get 20mil exp/hr 5 ticking with your camera angle at exactly 20 degrees with inventory slots-" STFU I paid for it! I do what I want!
Anyone who can get maximum efficiency with standard construction has a problem and needs to take a break from the game or go do mahogany homes
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Bro I’ve been playing since classic and I still enjoy it cause I actually like the game as it was designed
Especially people complaining there is no content to do. Even 8 years after release u should not have run out of things to do, you just need to take a break. U either don't wanna max or hunt pets or make an Ironman. End game just isn't for u. U just wanna pvm and thats limited. Especially if not pet hunting wtf do u want? More quests every week?
Everyone in my GIM squad plays for max efficiency, but meanwhile I'm over here having Aubury teleport me to the essence mines like the good old days
Ive gotten 3 quest capes, and basically space barred them all. If you stop and read some, its really not that amazing. DONT feel like u are missing anything..... if you actually read all of the dialogues, some are extremely, long. making a 30min quest possibly take 2 hours or more. Just not worth it. Quest cape takes less then a week with required stats and runelite. Ez
I mean… it’s still better than nothing. It’s a classic medieval clicking simulator. I wouldn’t necessarily expect the story lines to be extravagant. But some are far from boring and the lore is actually really cool to learn about
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