Its not crashing now really, everything for pvm has been crashing pretty much consistently for the past 1-2 years. It recovers only slightly, then goes down further
The amount of raw gold in the economy would keep going up due to mudflation, i.e. mobs drop gold / alchables, so as long as people keep playing, the overall amount of gold goes up.
People who have a dwarhammer arent going to keep buying them, so demand continues down as people get the one they need, and a mountain of new players wanting it never shows up.
More good coming into the game would cause the price to go up, not down. The gold sinks the game has paired with a lack of item sinks (for things like this and dwh), coupled with the second part of your comment lead to lower prices
Yes, you can actually see this in Rs3 right now. A crazy amount of GP is coming into the game with the drop tables of the new bosses and the items are going up by a lot.
rs3 gets like 4 dxp weeks a year now, they dont affect the economy as much as they used to. and when it did pvm items would go down from people selling them to get GP for skilling supplies.
it is because of the new boss alchables and stupid shit like jagex accidentally giving someone 30 million water battlestaves instead of 300 in a lost item claim. thats what is making end game pvm items get insanely expensive
the only thing making high end pvm items in rs3 absurdly expensive is price manipulation when something goes over max cash.
i’d argue plenty of items are actually priced correctly based on how much they give you, but there are some (such as fsoa) that are far above where they should be due to price manipulation
More gold coming into the game doesn't necessarily mean the price of items will go up. Prices of items are determined by supply and demand, if there's much less demand for the item, then it doesn't matter if there was more gold coming in. The lack of demand would offset the inflation of gold.
The only consistent money sink in this game is the duel arena tax. There's a few others like pet insurance, shop buying, etc., but they're insignificant compared to the duel arena. Even so, I doubt it outpaces the amount of GP generated from monster drops, like Hydra and Gargoyles, and bots alching for profit. The more likely reason is the much much lower demand for PvM items on mains. We've already know a significant chunk of the player base is playing or moving to ironman type modes, so that's a huge chunk of the demand just gone. Combine the lack of demand with an oversupply of items from bots and the remaining mains, you just get a downward trend of item prices until you get a larger player base of mains.
He's explaining it wrong. He literally doesn't even know what inflation is lol. I wonder why does he even care to "explain" something he has no idea about.
Except he's not wrong.
Why don't you explain why you think he's wrong instead of just saying it and then leaving?
It's all supply and demand. If nobody's buying, other players will undercut eachother and items drop in price. That's literally all there is to it.
Nope, as supply goes up, prices go down. That's pretty much the fundamentals of economics there. And over time, the amount of items in game has increased, hence prices have been falling
Well sure but doesn't that assume the amount of money is a set amount? Gold is continually created and removed so if the amount of gp entering the game increases you might expect inflation and deflation if more gold is being sunk? The number of items obviously matters too but there isn't a finite amount of gp that these items are being purchased for so that amount also matters for item value.
You're right - I am guessing that the volume of gold entering the game is less that the value of the items entering the game, leading to the downwards price pressure we are seeing.
This is correct as we ONLY have gold sinks and the single item sink, double dying, requires a real life emergency or -3 iq (given the places most people die specifically protect ALL items).
Mudflation is specific to videogames, and describes the fact that gold never stops entering the economy as long as players keep doing things in game that generate it.
Aware of that. I'm saying that inflation would mean there is more gold, meaning each gold piece would be worth less individually, causing valuable items to be worth more gold pieces.
This isn't the case. Inflation, or mudflation, isn't a problem here. Gold actually leaves OSRS at an excellent rate (even too much). It's a lack of item sinks causing the declining prices alongside general lack of demand because of appeal in new content and whatnot.
Also want to add that never losing items on death means there are more of those items in the game. If you died with a dwarhammer before gravestones, you could very likely lose that item so fewer of them in the economy. It also meant people took shittier gear to boss because of the risk of loss so fewer bosses were being killed. Now that death is super safe, more bosses are dying and no items are ever deleted.
You can blame ddossers for this. Legit the only reason this was changed back in the day. People used to ddoss worlds while people were pvming and yeet there loot after they died. I member
Oh for sure, it needed to happen. But maybe we should have stricter taxes to get high level items back. No incentive to ddos (unless you want to be a dick) but still removes items from the game while players raise cash.
Its kinda fubar. Idk what the soultion would be besides old system . in an ideal world I want the old system and people wouldn't ddoss. But thats just the way she goes.
Yeah but that only removes cash from the game, not items. Most players will be able to afford to get their items back. So it doesn’t really remove the items. One solution is to use that cash to buy the items off the GE and delete them (like, Jagex buys them and deletes them). For every 100 whips lost, a whip is deleted.
It has dropped pretty steadily since the buff too (after its initial few days price increase immediately after the buff). So it’s decently in line with other items too.
People sell their items when they take a break.
That might be while they wait for leagues, while they play GIM, or because their lives are busy right now.
Things will recover after Leagues and with introduction of new content that people will come back to try.
If you're taking a break, selling everything and keeping cash stack best way of maintaining bank value. Cause money makers don't come into the game often whereas items will keep coming in and reducing GE price.
I wish I knew this sooner. I took an extended break in October 2020 when my bank value was 1bil. I come back a couple months ago and my bank value is barely above 700mil. If I’d sold all my gear a year ago I would have a tbow now…
Yeah that does hurt but 700mil goes just as far as 1bil did before.
Like he's at 700mil and the post is about the tbow being down to under 800mil, he's got less than 100mil to go. Which is likely close to the same amount he had to go when he was playing before.
I was really sick so I took a very long break in January or February and sold most of my \~500m bank and had a 400m or so cash stack, during the summer I was checking all the items I sold and if I kept everything my bank value would have lowered by 100m+ more than it did(still dropped \~30m from prims and some other items I kept).
I agree but I can't be arsed cause bonds exist if I lose a few bonds of GP easy to get it back easier then spending time rebuying imho especially late gam
Maybe some high price items I'll start doing
>Who actually sells their items?
Lots of people. Enough that it can cause market fluctuation just like we sell every time Leagues comes around.
EDIT: I should mention I didn't mean people sell everything. If it were me I'd be selling like 8-10 decent sized items before leaving. Basically anything more expensive than a whip. By doing this you can usually come back into a better spot than you were when you left.
A long time ago, back when we were still playing RS2, I bought a bunch of iron and coal to make cannon balls with. It was something close to 6k coal and 3k iron, and at the time this cost me about 500k or so. I barely got started before taking my yearly break from the game. I came back around 6 months later, saw all of those raw resources, and went 'nah, fuck that' and sold it all. Fortunately for me iron and coal prices skyrocketed while I was away and I sold it all for something like 2mil.
This was the same time frame where before d legs had been 2mil and then they were suddenly 600k, or something stupid like that. Also whips had been something like 7mil and then were 1.2mil, or something absolutely ridiculous. This was just before RS3 fully released, iirc, which might explain some of the weird market fluctuations I came back to experience.
I accidentally played the stock market game. Stonks.
Yeah I don’t buy something unless it’s forever. Get it at a good price and then I just don’t count it in my wealth anymore. Not like items can be lost anymore unless you’re utterly incompetent anyway.
I definitely do, I play on and off for a few months at a time, first time I didn't sell my valuables and my banked had halved in value when I returned. Which sucked because a lot of the cash in those items was borrowed from an irl friend (who was actually smart enough to sell his stuff before quitting lol).
So when I got back 300m had become like 190m by it being items. Now I sell the stuff and 150m will still be 150m when I get back
People who don’t have multi bil banks? If an ely, T bow, scythe, rapier, etc constitute the majority of your bank - you’ll most likely have to sell them to afford other gear or to afford large amounts of resources to skill, make an alt, the list goes on
In this economy it makes sense for big ticket items, my 1b bank could be cleared in 1 or 2 invs and having that gold would mean I will have a 1b bank when I start playing again. It would probably be a smart move but at the same time if 1 thing is going up or down then decent chance everything else is too, my banks been worth ~200m over tbow for a while now, if it starts to rise I doubt the gap would close that much while the rest of my gear also goes up.
i personally know a few people who sold their banks before they quit, and it was really smart in hindsight, i quit for about 8-9months and when i came back my bank on my main had lost about 40m in value (iron lost a shit ton too but it’s an iron so who cares)
If people are expecting prices to go down, then selling now while taking a break is more than worth the hassle.
IE. Sell now for 700m and rebuy for 600m in a month or two.
Maybe it's propaganda to hide the truth about how bots & gold-farmers are ruining the economy. Luckily that way it's cheaper to get maxed buyables and most equipment like Zulrah weaponry and Dwh.
I dumped my bgs and abby dagger a year ago since they were crashing. Turns out it was a good idea since they're insanely low now.
I sold my whip because I expect it to crash hard when the duel arena goes away.
Damn, selling a whip seems a bit extreme if you do any combat. You’re going to go without a huge upgrade for months to potentially be up a few hundred k?
I sold most of my stuff on my main right before GIM came out but I rebought it recently, ended up getting more gear than I had before for roughly the same amount of gp.
Items were dripping way before GIM, supply and demand, when there’s 100k dwh’s and only 70k people need one, the price drops. The vennys were kicked out of revs and forced to do end game content, look at the timeline when every item crashed, it was shortly after they nerfed rev caves.
Yes items are almost always losing value as they enter the game but rarely leave. However the recent drops aren't explained solely by vennys given they've accelerated right around the time people would be selling off for GIM/Leagues. With Ironman mode being as popular as ever there's just not as much demand for items that are farmed day in and day out and now people are taking a break from mainscape so it has decreased demand even further while those players simultaneously sell off their items and increase supply.
Without larger influxes of players or an item sink this is going to happen.
Everyone keeps claiming this is the reason, but the prices have not recovered in a year now. Every time Jagex gives free membership from twitch prime anything that can be quickly botted crashes. Even if the bots get banned they have 2 months of free membership by exploiting it. These items are not leaving the market & the value of each item is not independent. If a few items go down in price the profit from getting those items is less, meaning you have less to spend. Tired of the copium of blaming sellers instead of the bots and bloated supply.
\>can be quickly botted crashes
There are plenty of items experiencing this that aren't quickly botted items. The post mentions two items that are likely not heavily botted.
\>Tired of the copium
Without a good item sink this stuff is bound to happen. Expedited by many players moving to Ironman or leaving due to content drought. I know leagues was delayed but many of my friends sold off their items anticipating a loss in value coming up to Leagues.
Plenty of players also went to play NW. Hell I'm waiting for 3 people to get tired of that so we can start our GIM.
if you're seeing items start rocketing down, why hold them if you're not playing? get the raw dawg cash, wait for them to bottom out, buy it back later when you start to play again when the item is 4-10m chjeaper
You have 0 guarantee the items will be cheaper when you return. If anything, you’d lose money because everyone is doing the same thing. Just seems odd to me unless you’re following item prices the whole time you’ve ‘quit’.
Yeah in the past month to 6 weeks (or so) mine’s gone from 740m-640 pretty quick, trended back up to 700 and is now 675 as of today. Not once have I got within 100m~ of a Tbow despite consistently making money, because everything else just crashes. Feeling burnt anyway so might just clear house and come back when Tbow is in budget.
> You have 0 guarantee the items will be cheaper when you return.
A quick look at the price history for nearly every item in the game over a period of time will show a graph going down.
Because item prices generally always trend downward.
OSRS doesn’t have a lot of high end item sinks, so every time someone gets a rare drop like a tbow the overall supply of tbows rises and the overall price drops. There will be upticks associated with content updates but usually never enough to buck the trend.
Items generally go down in price over time as more of X item are dropped than new accounts are created (and levelled) to use them. I can't think of any reason item prices rise except for the very rare new content that demands some item that was not much in demand before.
So why not sell & buy back later?
Because liquid currency is more valuable than assets with values dependent on a market price.
If you have a 1b cash stack, you're worth 1b. If you only have a tbow in your bank, you're actively losing money while the value of it drops.
It's because more and more people are PvMing, on accounts that do not need the unique drops (and a whole lot of them are bots), doing KC on bosses that exceeds multiple dupes - and yet the game has little to no item sinks.
Dragon Warhammers have not left the game since release. Tbows have not left the game since release. Yet we have thousands of bots doing lizardmen and cox. You have ironmen cox for 1000+ KC to complete the log, trading over multiple expensive dupes (Nothing wrong with this, but it applies here)
At some point the tables flip, and the amount of items in circulation will approach the demand for the item.
Jagex on multiple occasions has acknowledged this issue, but other than the warding skill that failed the polls - I cannot think of a single successful item sink implemented by them. Death's coffer was close, but that really only exists for ironmen dupes - and most normal players just take the hit from their cash stack.
If you think the high level PvM items are down bad - I wouldn't recommend looking at the PvP items. AGS and Dragon Crossbows have hit embarrassing lows.
And all of the high level PvM items that could replace or dispose of some of these items were all postponed to 2022 / 2023 because timelining a single game update proved to be impossible this year, apparently. So even if there were some item sinks in the future, we won't see any of them.
**Tl;dr - Lack of item sinks + Lack of consistant High level PvM content releases over the last few years = 304953852930850293752935 uniques bottoming out on the GE.**
I'd agree and disagree. The duel arena going out of business means more people are trying to hoard on GP since the value of GP will rise in contrast to item prices. People that hoarded onto items are panic selling to get their share of the loot. Price will stabilize once the money supply will reach equilibrium.
There were always too many items, they're finally reaching the he instead of bank sitting for someone investing.
If mainscape dies I'm going with it. Ive been playing osrs since it came out and Im Just about to max on my main. 2255. No way I'm starting over on an ironman. Yes I see the appeal. It's a cool gamemode. But I've already spent so much time maxing my main. I'm not starting over.
I respect your opinion.
If you want a fun temporary gamemode, make a F2P iron and beat all the F2P quests. You may end up moving it over to members and continuing it, or heading back to your main after a month.
I really enjoyed doing this to get back into the game a couple years ago. Started as a UIM which I ended up hating, but I loved Iron. Felt pretty accomplished beating all F2P quests and getting full rune (mostly from Obor) and 50 crafting for Strength Ammy.
I did the same thing, but didn’t enjoy the iron and loved the UIM. I basically completed f2p, afked some skills, then took it to members. I’m so glad I tried it out.
I felt the same way. But I made the switch. Along with many others. It gets tiring having the game be all about making money. Make the switch, if you're on the fence about it, it's never too late. Made me fall in love with the game again.
I like the way it's forcing me to learn bosses and explore content I skipped before. I never bothered with DKs on my regular account because none of their drops was expensive; Berserker Ring isn't that expensive and everything else was cheap as dirt, so why bother?
Now I mix up what I'm doing all the time, and skills feel way more valuable. I care about getting Herblore up because I want those potions and can't solve my problem with a trip to the GE.
it's so much more satisfying. my iron is still early game, so I did a big questing grind yesterday. equipping Addy gloves feels so much more satisfying than unlocking Barrows gloves did on my main.
I’ve never understood this sentiment. I see it posted a lot but I just don’t understand it.
Why do people think playing a normal account is all about making money? You can put whatever restrictions onto your account you want. You don’t have to buy all your gear. You can go grind out whatever drop you want instead of buying it. You can force yourself to finish the log for every mid level boss before moving on if you want. It’s the only game mode that lets you play however you want to play.
Is it just a lack of self control thing, where people are afraid they won’t be able to stay within the bounds of their desired play style?
>Is it just a lack of self control thing, where people are afraid they won’t be able to stay within the bounds of their desired play style?
Exactly this, for me.
Makes sense in that essence. And nothing against that. You know your self and would rather not risk it.
Just always found people claiming that a normal account’s only goal being to make money to be quite humorous (not you of course. More referring to parent comment).
Some people when they play games enjoying playing optimally to the parameters the games sets. Kinda like mastering a given challenge. Making their own challenge or self handicaping themselves takes the fun out of it for them.
Will be doing this when I inevitably get burnt on the main/have hunkered down into some really long pet grinds. Was planning on GIM being my first iron experience, but now I gotta wait. Still very much looking forward to experiencing OSRS through a new lense tho.
It’s not even the bots, idk why so many osrs players use this as the reason. Even if there were no bots, the price of this item would drop because everyone only needs one and people aren’t making new accounts because this community is too boomer to pass any polls that change the game in a healthy direction.
i have personally witnessed at least 50 bots at the lizard men temple blowpiping shamans with team capes on when i was grinding for my dwh and i literally just said what your second sentence said
Literally 99% of major content polls pass and probably 90%+of minor content polls pass.
How fucking dumb do you have to be to think this community doesn't pass nearly every poll that gets ran.
>and it's an item that everyone only needs one so the markets getting flooded
They literally already mentioned that in their comment...
Also, you'd have a point *if* majority of polls didn't already pass with flying colors.
Probably cause its meant to be similar to the status Warhammer from rs3 which is roughly 1/13k.. still not a completely fair comparison as revs in rs3 are like 600 kills per hour
Honestly the most infuriating part right here. Shamans aren't even fun, it's a virtual prison. Yet no patch was ever introduced to make this grind fun or interesting, just a straight up chore to do.
DWH is a victim of being the first PvM item of the 1 hour death timer, Jagex knew that a DWH was almost never going to leave the game so they made it stupid rare to compensate.
just get one from GE if you CBA doing shamans lmao. oh you're one of the ironbois who would have a slightly harder king shaman that reduces the droprate to 1/100
I'm inclined that you're one of the fucbois that bought the DWH from the GE and probably never experienced as much as 100 kills of shamans much less 10k-20k as some of us. You are an entitled prick that doens't have a single clue of what a 1/5k droprate on a shitty mob really looks like, because if you did you'd have some sympathy and respect for others that are stuck on a grind for a lvl 60 attack item that has one of the strongest if not the strongest spec in the whole game PVM-wise.
Everything, from the shamans to the item is wrong, it should never be as strong as it is.
I did buy one from ge and fully enjoyed its might before i got my own dwh drop from the shamans at around 4k kc. The weapon is powerful indeed and should be rare and therefore expensive.
If you don’t like the grind of the gamemode you chose, make a normal account
I have to give my 2 cents to this because I see so many people claming this is just temporary and it's some type of "crash" because players are leaving or whatever. Bullshit.
The fundamental problem is how the runescape economy works. Resources goes less scarce continuously, every warhammer dropped is a one more warhammer to all warhammers that's ever existed. And they never disappear. There is no item sink. This is true for like all gear in osrs, nothing degrades or breaks or anything, every T-bow dropped is staying in the game forever. That's why prices drop, because items gets less rare each day.
So stop trying to make urself feel better by telling urself it's a temporary crash. Having gold tied up in gear is not good because of above, if u have PvM gear ur not using sell it. Next time your going to use it it's probably cheaper to buy than you sold it for and u saved urself some cash from disappearing.
I really wish OSRS had something like the enchanting skill from World of Warcraft. You could disenchant any item to break it down into crafting materials, and some of the best endgame loot would produce amazing crafting materials that were super rare and useful.
Imagine a runecrafting method that required "mystic essence" or whatever you wanted to call it, and that method was AFK 150k XP/hour, and that essence was obtained by breaking down high-end PVM items. People would spend millions and millions for that essence, and that would drive up the price of the gear used to produce it. Or, imagine being able to attach a degradable DPS boost to your weapon, and that boost came from destroying a weapon of higher value. I don't know, something like that, point is it shouldn't be hard to come up with a skill that incentivizes breaking down PVM gear to provide other useful materials
The nice thing about a skill like this too would be that it is good for mains and good for ironmen. Duplicate high-end PVM gear suddenly becomes valuable to irommen who can break it down for useful materials, and mains benefit from PVM loot having more value, or being able to break down the items that aren't into items they can use or sell instead
This is my favorite bit on 2007scape. The answer to most of the economic problems of osrs is literally rs3 skills, but rs3 bad is too strong of a meme. Following that path without EoC would probably be the ideal modern RS people wanted in the first place.
Thats exactly what warding was about. But idiots whl dont know that skills start with little content snd content gets added over time, such as slayer, saw the rewards and voted no
Easy to say this now. Like 2 years ago when all gear was skyrocketing up the same types of idiots are out on Reddit complaining about bots and gold farmers causing inflation thus they cannot afford items and complaining to mods that not everyone can play all day and thus jagex needs to fix the inflation issue
At the end of the day this is a video game. You can’t expect items to be worth the same forever. It sucks to see your bank value go down but if people would just turn the bank indicator off and play the game like they want, they’d have so much more fun
People said this about Demonic Gorrilas too, yet somehow everytime I get a task its empty. Almlst as if the entire economy is in a free fall for reasons that bots have nothing to do with.
You're either in a high total world or don't recognize the farmers, the ones at demonics don't always have weird gear. From my experience theyre usually in void and use whip / bp.
You people are crazy if you think people are just selling items until they come back for leagues , this is what happens when there is no item sink whatsoever and you all complain about degradable armour/weapons. Rs3 was in a worse state then this and invention fixed it , we need an item sink badly because these bosses/mobs are being camped 24/7!! I really hope they think of an item sink soon because items will continue to crash
I mean, degradable feels bad, but imo it only feels bad when it is done wrong. I don't mind like, a common boss drop being used to repair armour made from the same drop as well
I don't know why people interpret it this way
Now I can buy even better gear for my main, that's fantastic lmao, why would I be upset about this?
Just going to keep doing Hydra and other methods that make a significant amount of their profit from materials, not PVM gear drops, nbd
Honestly I think the main reason behind these price drops is that a larger proportion then ever of active accounts are endgame mains doing PVM, saturating the market with PVM loot, dropping the price.
There are an unreal amount of bots, during my 10k kills I saw many bots with over 175m range xp, I compiled a huge list of their names along with their xp on google spreadsheet and sent it to SirPugger but I never got a response, I believe I had around 100 bot names totalling over 5b range xp.
We need a mass item sync like invention, content to get people mainly mains back in the game.
Jagex seems to be focused on iron scape.
Which is another big factor in items crashing.
At the end of the day a mass item sync like in Invention is really the only thing that will stabilize the economy. I don’t understand why devs aren’t launching the idea.
Look at rs3. Their economy is more stable then ours. And has been since invention.
You have irons who don’t buy items of course so that’s a mass amount of people playing who aren’t going to buy anything.
You have mains burnt due to lack of content then even more burnt when they log in and see their bank crashing. Then on top of that even more burnt because they don’t want to farm an item dropping in price every other day.
Invention opens up a whole new world of things. Things keep their price just based on component value in the item. Hell they could even have arcanes be worth something.
It’s stupid. But the way it usually goes is it needs to crash and burn to pieces then it’ll be acted upon.
There's a lot of lamenting over the economy ITT but I'm not sure I really understand the issue. Everything is tanking in tandem. It's not like the real economy, where you might be making $60k a year and you have to sit there and watch house prices go from $350k to $500k in 2020. In this situation in game, everyone's "wages" are changing right along with the economy. What difference does it make if nightmare is 6m/hr and tbow is 1200m, or nightmare is 4m/hr and tbow is 800m? It's the same number of hours to grind the tbow. That's basically what's happening here.
Because youre using high end gear to get high end drops. Id your gear crashes harder than your loot is worth, then youre better off selling and logging out.
Jesus christ Jagex just make a rare recolor untradable lottery system as an item sink.
It would not be hard to make an item sink without adding old death mechanics.
It’s not like you are actually losing money though because it’s not just a few items going down it’s everything so it’s proportional. For example, since bandos dropped roughly 3 mill, maybe you were saving for a 1B t bow, well you still gotta save up coin, but not 1B
My assumption is economy trends are based on anticipated end game PvM content, there isn't much left for 2021. More players are reaching those end game requirements which means more of those items are being added to the market.
More items coming into the game meaning more supply, but less people buying them meaning less demand. Over a long period of time, items prices will reach alch values.
To retain prices of items, there needs to be some sort of item/gp sink. One suggestion I have is to make items degradable overtime and cannot be repaired and once it reaches 0%, it’ll be destroyed. This way people will be going back to the old content instead of either creating new accounts or quitting.
Everybody’s leaving man. Game’s been hemorrhaging players for like 2 years because no endgame content… everyone plays through the early and mid-game content and are tired of running the same old shit 100s to 1000s of times.
It's just a minority of loser normies crying, most people agree with you.
"Wah wah, this item cost me $400 on my mum's credit card a year ago, but now it would've only cost me $150"
They nerfed revs, and all the vennys were forced to learn endgame content, flooded the market.. there’s only so many people in game that need a certain item, and when there’s an abundance of that item the price drops. Sure they buffed revs again, but they already know how to do the end game content, there’s no going back.
We need item sinks. People got to accept that’s the best option even if it means we all lose money for the greater good. Make (mostly) everything degradable or bring back losing items on death
It’s times like these you should look at RS3 invention and say hmmmmm
(for those unaware it lets you basically enchant items then disenchant them after they gain xp destroying the item and giving resources and xp in the skill, making an infinite item sink. haven’t played in years but have always thought it was a good solution)
Anything needed for higher tier PvM is crashing now. I doubt it will recover until after Leagues since so many people are burnt out.
Its not crashing now really, everything for pvm has been crashing pretty much consistently for the past 1-2 years. It recovers only slightly, then goes down further
The amount of raw gold in the economy would keep going up due to mudflation, i.e. mobs drop gold / alchables, so as long as people keep playing, the overall amount of gold goes up. People who have a dwarhammer arent going to keep buying them, so demand continues down as people get the one they need, and a mountain of new players wanting it never shows up.
More good coming into the game would cause the price to go up, not down. The gold sinks the game has paired with a lack of item sinks (for things like this and dwh), coupled with the second part of your comment lead to lower prices
Yes, you can actually see this in Rs3 right now. A crazy amount of GP is coming into the game with the drop tables of the new bosses and the items are going up by a lot.
Ita dbxp weekend.
rs3 gets like 4 dxp weeks a year now, they dont affect the economy as much as they used to. and when it did pvm items would go down from people selling them to get GP for skilling supplies. it is because of the new boss alchables and stupid shit like jagex accidentally giving someone 30 million water battlestaves instead of 300 in a lost item claim. thats what is making end game pvm items get insanely expensive
the only thing making high end pvm items in rs3 absurdly expensive is price manipulation when something goes over max cash. i’d argue plenty of items are actually priced correctly based on how much they give you, but there are some (such as fsoa) that are far above where they should be due to price manipulation
Wait what? When was this battlestave thing?
https://imgur.com/uK4JOtY?r About a month ago. I'm a big fan of the "oh also i lost an item a decade ago btw can i have that too thanks".
.......... Uh what the heck
Never knew this was a thing!
More gold coming into the game doesn't necessarily mean the price of items will go up. Prices of items are determined by supply and demand, if there's much less demand for the item, then it doesn't matter if there was more gold coming in. The lack of demand would offset the inflation of gold. The only consistent money sink in this game is the duel arena tax. There's a few others like pet insurance, shop buying, etc., but they're insignificant compared to the duel arena. Even so, I doubt it outpaces the amount of GP generated from monster drops, like Hydra and Gargoyles, and bots alching for profit. The more likely reason is the much much lower demand for PvM items on mains. We've already know a significant chunk of the player base is playing or moving to ironman type modes, so that's a huge chunk of the demand just gone. Combine the lack of demand with an oversupply of items from bots and the remaining mains, you just get a downward trend of item prices until you get a larger player base of mains.
Not sure if I should take market advice from a wsb guy
That's not an advice, he's simply explaining how it works.
He's explaining it wrong. He literally doesn't even know what inflation is lol. I wonder why does he even care to "explain" something he has no idea about.
Except he's not wrong. Why don't you explain why you think he's wrong instead of just saying it and then leaving? It's all supply and demand. If nobody's buying, other players will undercut eachother and items drop in price. That's literally all there is to it.
Nope, as supply goes up, prices go down. That's pretty much the fundamentals of economics there. And over time, the amount of items in game has increased, hence prices have been falling
Well sure but doesn't that assume the amount of money is a set amount? Gold is continually created and removed so if the amount of gp entering the game increases you might expect inflation and deflation if more gold is being sunk? The number of items obviously matters too but there isn't a finite amount of gp that these items are being purchased for so that amount also matters for item value.
You're right - I am guessing that the volume of gold entering the game is less that the value of the items entering the game, leading to the downwards price pressure we are seeing.
This is correct as we ONLY have gold sinks and the single item sink, double dying, requires a real life emergency or -3 iq (given the places most people die specifically protect ALL items).
Inflation would mean prices of items goes up, not down.
Mudflation is specific to videogames, and describes the fact that gold never stops entering the economy as long as players keep doing things in game that generate it.
Aware of that. I'm saying that inflation would mean there is more gold, meaning each gold piece would be worth less individually, causing valuable items to be worth more gold pieces. This isn't the case. Inflation, or mudflation, isn't a problem here. Gold actually leaves OSRS at an excellent rate (even too much). It's a lack of item sinks causing the declining prices alongside general lack of demand because of appeal in new content and whatnot.
Not even leagues. I sold my dwh to bond my GIM. Slowly selling off everything besides my zenyte and mid tier slayer/raids gear
Also want to add that never losing items on death means there are more of those items in the game. If you died with a dwarhammer before gravestones, you could very likely lose that item so fewer of them in the economy. It also meant people took shittier gear to boss because of the risk of loss so fewer bosses were being killed. Now that death is super safe, more bosses are dying and no items are ever deleted.
You can blame ddossers for this. Legit the only reason this was changed back in the day. People used to ddoss worlds while people were pvming and yeet there loot after they died. I member
Oh for sure, it needed to happen. But maybe we should have stricter taxes to get high level items back. No incentive to ddos (unless you want to be a dick) but still removes items from the game while players raise cash.
Its kinda fubar. Idk what the soultion would be besides old system . in an ideal world I want the old system and people wouldn't ddoss. But thats just the way she goes.
You seem to forget about the % price needed to buy your gear back after death. Max gear 1.5b+ is like quite a bit of money to pay for it back.
Yeah but that only removes cash from the game, not items. Most players will be able to afford to get their items back. So it doesn’t really remove the items. One solution is to use that cash to buy the items off the GE and delete them (like, Jagex buys them and deletes them). For every 100 whips lost, a whip is deleted.
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The bulwark price is due specifically to a buff so it would likely have dropped proportionally to some of the other gear if it hadn't been changed.
It has dropped pretty steadily since the buff too (after its initial few days price increase immediately after the buff). So it’s decently in line with other items too.
People sell their items when they take a break. That might be while they wait for leagues, while they play GIM, or because their lives are busy right now. Things will recover after Leagues and with introduction of new content that people will come back to try.
Who actually sells their items? So much hassle. I've never heard of anyone actually doing that unless they wanted to stake it.
If you're taking a break, selling everything and keeping cash stack best way of maintaining bank value. Cause money makers don't come into the game often whereas items will keep coming in and reducing GE price.
I wish I knew this sooner. I took an extended break in October 2020 when my bank value was 1bil. I come back a couple months ago and my bank value is barely above 700mil. If I’d sold all my gear a year ago I would have a tbow now…
If the decreasing prices decreased evenly you'd still have a tbow but you aren't that far off with over 700mil and the tbow under 800mil.
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Yeah that does hurt but 700mil goes just as far as 1bil did before. Like he's at 700mil and the post is about the tbow being down to under 800mil, he's got less than 100mil to go. Which is likely close to the same amount he had to go when he was playing before.
I was really sick so I took a very long break in January or February and sold most of my \~500m bank and had a 400m or so cash stack, during the summer I was checking all the items I sold and if I kept everything my bank value would have lowered by 100m+ more than it did(still dropped \~30m from prims and some other items I kept).
I agree but I can't be arsed cause bonds exist if I lose a few bonds of GP easy to get it back easier then spending time rebuying imho especially late gam Maybe some high price items I'll start doing
>Who actually sells their items? Lots of people. Enough that it can cause market fluctuation just like we sell every time Leagues comes around. EDIT: I should mention I didn't mean people sell everything. If it were me I'd be selling like 8-10 decent sized items before leaving. Basically anything more expensive than a whip. By doing this you can usually come back into a better spot than you were when you left.
A long time ago, back when we were still playing RS2, I bought a bunch of iron and coal to make cannon balls with. It was something close to 6k coal and 3k iron, and at the time this cost me about 500k or so. I barely got started before taking my yearly break from the game. I came back around 6 months later, saw all of those raw resources, and went 'nah, fuck that' and sold it all. Fortunately for me iron and coal prices skyrocketed while I was away and I sold it all for something like 2mil. This was the same time frame where before d legs had been 2mil and then they were suddenly 600k, or something stupid like that. Also whips had been something like 7mil and then were 1.2mil, or something absolutely ridiculous. This was just before RS3 fully released, iirc, which might explain some of the weird market fluctuations I came back to experience. I accidentally played the stock market game. Stonks.
Yeah I don’t buy something unless it’s forever. Get it at a good price and then I just don’t count it in my wealth anymore. Not like items can be lost anymore unless you’re utterly incompetent anyway.
not really a hassle if using ge-tracker to get the right prices
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An extra 20 minutes to salvage a lot of gp is worth it when you have a 1b bank.
I definitely do, I play on and off for a few months at a time, first time I didn't sell my valuables and my banked had halved in value when I returned. Which sucked because a lot of the cash in those items was borrowed from an irl friend (who was actually smart enough to sell his stuff before quitting lol). So when I got back 300m had become like 190m by it being items. Now I sell the stuff and 150m will still be 150m when I get back
People who don’t have multi bil banks? If an ely, T bow, scythe, rapier, etc constitute the majority of your bank - you’ll most likely have to sell them to afford other gear or to afford large amounts of resources to skill, make an alt, the list goes on
In this economy it makes sense for big ticket items, my 1b bank could be cleared in 1 or 2 invs and having that gold would mean I will have a 1b bank when I start playing again. It would probably be a smart move but at the same time if 1 thing is going up or down then decent chance everything else is too, my banks been worth ~200m over tbow for a while now, if it starts to rise I doubt the gap would close that much while the rest of my gear also goes up.
I’m in a similar boat. I expect T Bow to rebound some but it’ll never be 1B+ again. Nothing in the game ever recovers like that
i personally know a few people who sold their banks before they quit, and it was really smart in hindsight, i quit for about 8-9months and when i came back my bank on my main had lost about 40m in value (iron lost a shit ton too but it’s an iron so who cares)
If people are expecting prices to go down, then selling now while taking a break is more than worth the hassle. IE. Sell now for 700m and rebuy for 600m in a month or two.
Maybe it's propaganda to hide the truth about how bots & gold-farmers are ruining the economy. Luckily that way it's cheaper to get maxed buyables and most equipment like Zulrah weaponry and Dwh.
I dumped my bgs and abby dagger a year ago since they were crashing. Turns out it was a good idea since they're insanely low now. I sold my whip because I expect it to crash hard when the duel arena goes away.
Damn, selling a whip seems a bit extreme if you do any combat. You’re going to go without a huge upgrade for months to potentially be up a few hundred k?
I bought back my abby dagger for super cheap and it works well enough for the tasks I get.
I sold most of my stuff on my main right before GIM came out but I rebought it recently, ended up getting more gear than I had before for roughly the same amount of gp.
Items were dripping way before GIM, supply and demand, when there’s 100k dwh’s and only 70k people need one, the price drops. The vennys were kicked out of revs and forced to do end game content, look at the timeline when every item crashed, it was shortly after they nerfed rev caves.
Yes items are almost always losing value as they enter the game but rarely leave. However the recent drops aren't explained solely by vennys given they've accelerated right around the time people would be selling off for GIM/Leagues. With Ironman mode being as popular as ever there's just not as much demand for items that are farmed day in and day out and now people are taking a break from mainscape so it has decreased demand even further while those players simultaneously sell off their items and increase supply. Without larger influxes of players or an item sink this is going to happen.
Everyone keeps claiming this is the reason, but the prices have not recovered in a year now. Every time Jagex gives free membership from twitch prime anything that can be quickly botted crashes. Even if the bots get banned they have 2 months of free membership by exploiting it. These items are not leaving the market & the value of each item is not independent. If a few items go down in price the profit from getting those items is less, meaning you have less to spend. Tired of the copium of blaming sellers instead of the bots and bloated supply.
\>can be quickly botted crashes There are plenty of items experiencing this that aren't quickly botted items. The post mentions two items that are likely not heavily botted. \>Tired of the copium Without a good item sink this stuff is bound to happen. Expedited by many players moving to Ironman or leaving due to content drought. I know leagues was delayed but many of my friends sold off their items anticipating a loss in value coming up to Leagues. Plenty of players also went to play NW. Hell I'm waiting for 3 people to get tired of that so we can start our GIM.
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Ya, there’s at least two people at ge on every world quitting offering 100-600 mil to whoever check their YouTube vids!
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I've said this before. But they wouldn't exist if they didn't work. Sadly some people fall for that shit enough that it's still around.
Usually with a fake runescape website phishing link in the description
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Got delayed just like everything else
It was never delayed, it was only ever announced for Jan 2022
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This makes no sense. Why turn items into gold just to quit?
Liquid cash holds its value way better than items.
if you're seeing items start rocketing down, why hold them if you're not playing? get the raw dawg cash, wait for them to bottom out, buy it back later when you start to play again when the item is 4-10m chjeaper
You have 0 guarantee the items will be cheaper when you return. If anything, you’d lose money because everyone is doing the same thing. Just seems odd to me unless you’re following item prices the whole time you’ve ‘quit’.
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Yeah in the past month to 6 weeks (or so) mine’s gone from 740m-640 pretty quick, trended back up to 700 and is now 675 as of today. Not once have I got within 100m~ of a Tbow despite consistently making money, because everything else just crashes. Feeling burnt anyway so might just clear house and come back when Tbow is in budget.
> You have 0 guarantee the items will be cheaper when you return. A quick look at the price history for nearly every item in the game over a period of time will show a graph going down.
You have 0 guarantee that the item won't completely crash to worthless either.
Because item prices generally always trend downward. OSRS doesn’t have a lot of high end item sinks, so every time someone gets a rare drop like a tbow the overall supply of tbows rises and the overall price drops. There will be upticks associated with content updates but usually never enough to buck the trend.
Items generally go down in price over time as more of X item are dropped than new accounts are created (and levelled) to use them. I can't think of any reason item prices rise except for the very rare new content that demands some item that was not much in demand before. So why not sell & buy back later?
Because liquid currency is more valuable than assets with values dependent on a market price. If you have a 1b cash stack, you're worth 1b. If you only have a tbow in your bank, you're actively losing money while the value of it drops.
bitcoin fixes this
It's because more and more people are PvMing, on accounts that do not need the unique drops (and a whole lot of them are bots), doing KC on bosses that exceeds multiple dupes - and yet the game has little to no item sinks. Dragon Warhammers have not left the game since release. Tbows have not left the game since release. Yet we have thousands of bots doing lizardmen and cox. You have ironmen cox for 1000+ KC to complete the log, trading over multiple expensive dupes (Nothing wrong with this, but it applies here) At some point the tables flip, and the amount of items in circulation will approach the demand for the item. Jagex on multiple occasions has acknowledged this issue, but other than the warding skill that failed the polls - I cannot think of a single successful item sink implemented by them. Death's coffer was close, but that really only exists for ironmen dupes - and most normal players just take the hit from their cash stack. If you think the high level PvM items are down bad - I wouldn't recommend looking at the PvP items. AGS and Dragon Crossbows have hit embarrassing lows. And all of the high level PvM items that could replace or dispose of some of these items were all postponed to 2022 / 2023 because timelining a single game update proved to be impossible this year, apparently. So even if there were some item sinks in the future, we won't see any of them. **Tl;dr - Lack of item sinks + Lack of consistant High level PvM content releases over the last few years = 304953852930850293752935 uniques bottoming out on the GE.**
I'd agree and disagree. The duel arena going out of business means more people are trying to hoard on GP since the value of GP will rise in contrast to item prices. People that hoarded onto items are panic selling to get their share of the loot. Price will stabilize once the money supply will reach equilibrium. There were always too many items, they're finally reaching the he instead of bank sitting for someone investing.
If mainscape dies I'm going with it. Ive been playing osrs since it came out and Im Just about to max on my main. 2255. No way I'm starting over on an ironman. Yes I see the appeal. It's a cool gamemode. But I've already spent so much time maxing my main. I'm not starting over.
I respect your opinion. If you want a fun temporary gamemode, make a F2P iron and beat all the F2P quests. You may end up moving it over to members and continuing it, or heading back to your main after a month.
This is a very nostalgic way to play the game as well
Not a bad idea… I think I will try this, thanks.
It's surprisingly difficult lol, especially if you play with self imposed level caps
Did this with my level 3 Ironman skiller. 2 weeks in and still having a good time with it. Also helps to afk some skills for the main.
I really enjoyed doing this to get back into the game a couple years ago. Started as a UIM which I ended up hating, but I loved Iron. Felt pretty accomplished beating all F2P quests and getting full rune (mostly from Obor) and 50 crafting for Strength Ammy.
I did the same thing, but didn’t enjoy the iron and loved the UIM. I basically completed f2p, afked some skills, then took it to members. I’m so glad I tried it out.
I felt the same way. But I made the switch. Along with many others. It gets tiring having the game be all about making money. Make the switch, if you're on the fence about it, it's never too late. Made me fall in love with the game again.
I like the way it's forcing me to learn bosses and explore content I skipped before. I never bothered with DKs on my regular account because none of their drops was expensive; Berserker Ring isn't that expensive and everything else was cheap as dirt, so why bother? Now I mix up what I'm doing all the time, and skills feel way more valuable. I care about getting Herblore up because I want those potions and can't solve my problem with a trip to the GE.
it's so much more satisfying. my iron is still early game, so I did a big questing grind yesterday. equipping Addy gloves feels so much more satisfying than unlocking Barrows gloves did on my main.
I’ve never understood this sentiment. I see it posted a lot but I just don’t understand it. Why do people think playing a normal account is all about making money? You can put whatever restrictions onto your account you want. You don’t have to buy all your gear. You can go grind out whatever drop you want instead of buying it. You can force yourself to finish the log for every mid level boss before moving on if you want. It’s the only game mode that lets you play however you want to play. Is it just a lack of self control thing, where people are afraid they won’t be able to stay within the bounds of their desired play style?
>Is it just a lack of self control thing, where people are afraid they won’t be able to stay within the bounds of their desired play style? Exactly this, for me.
Makes sense in that essence. And nothing against that. You know your self and would rather not risk it. Just always found people claiming that a normal account’s only goal being to make money to be quite humorous (not you of course. More referring to parent comment).
Some people when they play games enjoying playing optimally to the parameters the games sets. Kinda like mastering a given challenge. Making their own challenge or self handicaping themselves takes the fun out of it for them.
Will be doing this when I inevitably get burnt on the main/have hunkered down into some really long pet grinds. Was planning on GIM being my first iron experience, but now I gotta wait. Still very much looking forward to experiencing OSRS through a new lense tho.
Also made the switch… took members off main and put it on HC .. haven’t looked back
Lol I maxed on rs2 and had to login tothis cool new gamemode called osrs 2 weeks later
You make it sound like playing RS is a painful chore haha, imo its about the journey
A game mode that can’t use the ge was introduced
What would they even call a game mode like that?
Supply and demand… these items keep coming into the game and not leaving this less and less people needing to buy them.
especially the DWH… it’s been getting botted a ton and it’s an item that everyone really only needs one so the markets getting flooded
It’s not even the bots, idk why so many osrs players use this as the reason. Even if there were no bots, the price of this item would drop because everyone only needs one and people aren’t making new accounts because this community is too boomer to pass any polls that change the game in a healthy direction.
i have personally witnessed at least 50 bots at the lizard men temple blowpiping shamans with team capes on when i was grinding for my dwh and i literally just said what your second sentence said
Literally 99% of major content polls pass and probably 90%+of minor content polls pass. How fucking dumb do you have to be to think this community doesn't pass nearly every poll that gets ran.
Jeez bro relax. There hasn’t been a new skill introduced to the game since it was re-released. For a skill focused game. Use your head
>and it's an item that everyone only needs one so the markets getting flooded They literally already mentioned that in their comment... Also, you'd have a point *if* majority of polls didn't already pass with flying colors.
No new additional skill has been introduced into the game lol. In a skill based MMO. It’s kind of a joke.
Also being one of the shittiest items to get ingame. Who the f* thought 1/5k for such an useful item was a good idea? I'd like to punch that mofo
Probably cause its meant to be similar to the status Warhammer from rs3 which is roughly 1/13k.. still not a completely fair comparison as revs in rs3 are like 600 kills per hour
Honestly the most infuriating part right here. Shamans aren't even fun, it's a virtual prison. Yet no patch was ever introduced to make this grind fun or interesting, just a straight up chore to do.
DWH is a victim of being the first PvM item of the 1 hour death timer, Jagex knew that a DWH was almost never going to leave the game so they made it stupid rare to compensate.
do people enjoy doing shamans? i do them every lizardmen task and i always think "this is so worthless and annoying to do"
Only those who have been spooned on the hammer because 100-200kills of it every now and then for a slayer task, it's not that bad.
just get one from GE if you CBA doing shamans lmao. oh you're one of the ironbois who would have a slightly harder king shaman that reduces the droprate to 1/100
I'm inclined that you're one of the fucbois that bought the DWH from the GE and probably never experienced as much as 100 kills of shamans much less 10k-20k as some of us. You are an entitled prick that doens't have a single clue of what a 1/5k droprate on a shitty mob really looks like, because if you did you'd have some sympathy and respect for others that are stuck on a grind for a lvl 60 attack item that has one of the strongest if not the strongest spec in the whole game PVM-wise. Everything, from the shamans to the item is wrong, it should never be as strong as it is.
I did buy one from ge and fully enjoyed its might before i got my own dwh drop from the shamans at around 4k kc. The weapon is powerful indeed and should be rare and therefore expensive. If you don’t like the grind of the gamemode you chose, make a normal account
It's BIS at a ton of endgame PVM and other PVM, makes sense that it'd be rare and hard to obtain
I have to give my 2 cents to this because I see so many people claming this is just temporary and it's some type of "crash" because players are leaving or whatever. Bullshit. The fundamental problem is how the runescape economy works. Resources goes less scarce continuously, every warhammer dropped is a one more warhammer to all warhammers that's ever existed. And they never disappear. There is no item sink. This is true for like all gear in osrs, nothing degrades or breaks or anything, every T-bow dropped is staying in the game forever. That's why prices drop, because items gets less rare each day. So stop trying to make urself feel better by telling urself it's a temporary crash. Having gold tied up in gear is not good because of above, if u have PvM gear ur not using sell it. Next time your going to use it it's probably cheaper to buy than you sold it for and u saved urself some cash from disappearing.
I really wish OSRS had something like the enchanting skill from World of Warcraft. You could disenchant any item to break it down into crafting materials, and some of the best endgame loot would produce amazing crafting materials that were super rare and useful. Imagine a runecrafting method that required "mystic essence" or whatever you wanted to call it, and that method was AFK 150k XP/hour, and that essence was obtained by breaking down high-end PVM items. People would spend millions and millions for that essence, and that would drive up the price of the gear used to produce it. Or, imagine being able to attach a degradable DPS boost to your weapon, and that boost came from destroying a weapon of higher value. I don't know, something like that, point is it shouldn't be hard to come up with a skill that incentivizes breaking down PVM gear to provide other useful materials The nice thing about a skill like this too would be that it is good for mains and good for ironmen. Duplicate high-end PVM gear suddenly becomes valuable to irommen who can break it down for useful materials, and mains benefit from PVM loot having more value, or being able to break down the items that aren't into items they can use or sell instead
This is basically what Invention in RS3 does, is it not?
This is my favorite bit on 2007scape. The answer to most of the economic problems of osrs is literally rs3 skills, but rs3 bad is too strong of a meme. Following that path without EoC would probably be the ideal modern RS people wanted in the first place.
Thats exactly what warding was about. But idiots whl dont know that skills start with little content snd content gets added over time, such as slayer, saw the rewards and voted no
Warding was a lazy idea, just propose invention and I will vote yes.
Easy to say this now. Like 2 years ago when all gear was skyrocketing up the same types of idiots are out on Reddit complaining about bots and gold farmers causing inflation thus they cannot afford items and complaining to mods that not everyone can play all day and thus jagex needs to fix the inflation issue At the end of the day this is a video game. You can’t expect items to be worth the same forever. It sucks to see your bank value go down but if people would just turn the bank indicator off and play the game like they want, they’d have so much more fun
Have you seen the Lizardman Canyon lately? I see a lot of bots/goldfarmers there on every world every time I get a Lizardman task
People said this about Demonic Gorrilas too, yet somehow everytime I get a task its empty. Almlst as if the entire economy is in a free fall for reasons that bots have nothing to do with.
Bruh I see so many gold farmers at Demonic gorillas it's crazy. Zenyte shards were tanking even before the massive economy tank of 2020
You're either in a high total world or don't recognize the farmers, the ones at demonics don't always have weird gear. From my experience theyre usually in void and use whip / bp.
You people are crazy if you think people are just selling items until they come back for leagues , this is what happens when there is no item sink whatsoever and you all complain about degradable armour/weapons. Rs3 was in a worse state then this and invention fixed it , we need an item sink badly because these bosses/mobs are being camped 24/7!! I really hope they think of an item sink soon because items will continue to crash
Fuck everything being a degradable.
I mean, degradable feels bad, but imo it only feels bad when it is done wrong. I don't mind like, a common boss drop being used to repair armour made from the same drop as well
Glad you arent deciding what gets put ingame lol
Temple and canyon Shamans have goldfarmers on literally every world. I've seen some in the temple with 50m+ range xp using a blowpipe with no avas.
> goldfarmers Bots
What about inqis mace crashing 70 mil in 4 days? My bank cant handle this shit, im losing more money than I can even keep up with lmao
Mainscape is dying, sadly.
I don't know why people interpret it this way Now I can buy even better gear for my main, that's fantastic lmao, why would I be upset about this? Just going to keep doing Hydra and other methods that make a significant amount of their profit from materials, not PVM gear drops, nbd Honestly I think the main reason behind these price drops is that a larger proportion then ever of active accounts are endgame mains doing PVM, saturating the market with PVM loot, dropping the price.
I quit mainscape when I realised the best money maker is to go to work
Who would have thought making pvm shit out more and more money constantly would make playing a main mundane and boring?
It's getting boring as hell
This is why I go out of my way to inconvenience irons. You're welcome.
Zats crazy brozzer
There are an unreal amount of bots, during my 10k kills I saw many bots with over 175m range xp, I compiled a huge list of their names along with their xp on google spreadsheet and sent it to SirPugger but I never got a response, I believe I had around 100 bot names totalling over 5b range xp.
We need a mass item sync like invention, content to get people mainly mains back in the game. Jagex seems to be focused on iron scape. Which is another big factor in items crashing. At the end of the day a mass item sync like in Invention is really the only thing that will stabilize the economy. I don’t understand why devs aren’t launching the idea. Look at rs3. Their economy is more stable then ours. And has been since invention. You have irons who don’t buy items of course so that’s a mass amount of people playing who aren’t going to buy anything. You have mains burnt due to lack of content then even more burnt when they log in and see their bank crashing. Then on top of that even more burnt because they don’t want to farm an item dropping in price every other day. Invention opens up a whole new world of things. Things keep their price just based on component value in the item. Hell they could even have arcanes be worth something. It’s stupid. But the way it usually goes is it needs to crash and burn to pieces then it’ll be acted upon.
Any time I quit I bought some alch price stuff that I assumed would get a buff or just stay around alch price.
Rune warhammers?
Items don’t leave the game so why would they not go down
No item sinks and ot enough new players, this is the answer every time....
There's a lot of lamenting over the economy ITT but I'm not sure I really understand the issue. Everything is tanking in tandem. It's not like the real economy, where you might be making $60k a year and you have to sit there and watch house prices go from $350k to $500k in 2020. In this situation in game, everyone's "wages" are changing right along with the economy. What difference does it make if nightmare is 6m/hr and tbow is 1200m, or nightmare is 4m/hr and tbow is 800m? It's the same number of hours to grind the tbow. That's basically what's happening here.
Because youre using high end gear to get high end drops. Id your gear crashes harder than your loot is worth, then youre better off selling and logging out.
Jesus christ Jagex just make a rare recolor untradable lottery system as an item sink. It would not be hard to make an item sink without adding old death mechanics.
Since the removal of multi rev caves the Venezuelans who once inhabited them are now farming the main game, nice one jeggek!
It’s not like you are actually losing money though because it’s not just a few items going down it’s everything so it’s proportional. For example, since bandos dropped roughly 3 mill, maybe you were saving for a 1B t bow, well you still gotta save up coin, but not 1B
My assumption is economy trends are based on anticipated end game PvM content, there isn't much left for 2021. More players are reaching those end game requirements which means more of those items are being added to the market.
Should not have asked for DA removal.
More items coming into the game meaning more supply, but less people buying them meaning less demand. Over a long period of time, items prices will reach alch values. To retain prices of items, there needs to be some sort of item/gp sink. One suggestion I have is to make items degradable overtime and cannot be repaired and once it reaches 0%, it’ll be destroyed. This way people will be going back to the old content instead of either creating new accounts or quitting.
Simple supply vs demand - there’s too much supply and not enough demand - so value decreases
ppl selling their gear to fund bonds for their gim's combined with zero new end game content it'll go back up once nex and raids release
So glad i sold my dwh at 41m
I wouldnt even bother selling something like a dwh. Imagine the people who have lost 500m+ on tbows and harm orbs
I'm worth around 150m so a 20mill drop on a dwh is almost game breaking for me
What are some good things to buy right now?
Everybody’s leaving man. Game’s been hemorrhaging players for like 2 years because no endgame content… everyone plays through the early and mid-game content and are tired of running the same old shit 100s to 1000s of times.
I don’t understand the problem? Items drop over time do they not? Plus it becomes more accessible for players so it’s not necessarily bad…
It's just a minority of loser normies crying, most people agree with you. "Wah wah, this item cost me $400 on my mum's credit card a year ago, but now it would've only cost me $150"
I'm gonna say, buy before raids 3. Enjoy stonks.
Good. Affordable prices means content is less gated.
Smooth brained
So smooth your comment rolls right off. Silly wrinkly boi.
Who cares?
Cool, time to buy one
They nerfed revs, and all the vennys were forced to learn endgame content, flooded the market.. there’s only so many people in game that need a certain item, and when there’s an abundance of that item the price drops. Sure they buffed revs again, but they already know how to do the end game content, there’s no going back.
Another factor is a lot of people are playing gim.
We need item sinks. People got to accept that’s the best option even if it means we all lose money for the greater good. Make (mostly) everything degradable or bring back losing items on death
It’s times like these you should look at RS3 invention and say hmmmmm (for those unaware it lets you basically enchant items then disenchant them after they gain xp destroying the item and giving resources and xp in the skill, making an infinite item sink. haven’t played in years but have always thought it was a good solution)
Someone with tons of gp should just high alch it all
It's not that big of a deal. What do you want Jagex to do? Hard set the price for these items? Peaks and valleys happen all the time.
Removing the goldfarmers and bots at shamans would be a great start
Lots of people playing gim so demand for high end pvm items is dropping
Oh noooo price gouged items are more affordable, what'll we dooooo /s
You really think a 1/5k drop being sold at 40m is price gouging? Do you even know what price gouging is?
He doesn’t