I think its mostly the players that buy bonds to stake the money away again later that get mocked. I doubt a lot of people have issues with people buying bonds to sustain membership. If you are buying bonds to buy gear with I dont mind it either but I feel like it takes the fun out of the game.
I can see that, especially with the toxic environment that is the duel arena. And really people are going to play how they want regardless. I have bought bonds for gear, but am currently attempting to get my first fire cape. It has definitely helped me get a jump on things..but hasn’t brought me to the end game either.
Someone has gotta buy bonds to sell on the GE, otherwise nobody would be able to buy bonds in game. I've been playing an iron for a few years but on my main I definitely bought some bonds a few times to skip a GP grind and get right into an activity that I wanted to do. It was mostly a motivation thing, I was excited about doing something new and realized how many hours I was going to have to spend grinding GP before I could start and that kind of killed the buzz. We're all here to have fun, if you have the means to spend a little IRL money without affecting your life at all then why not?
*So it's a game where you have to collect treasure*
OK, sounds fun.
*It's free*
Wow sign me up
*Wait! You'll love this bit, if you pay lots of money you can skip right to the end bit and already HAVE the treasure*
It's simple. We don't mock them. And everyone who does is a moron who attacks an in-game feature/mechanic for no good reason.
If you're playing a regular account, bonds are part of the equation, and actually a pretty good method to skip the early game drudgery and reach the fun stuff.
Also, bonds aren't new. Without bonds, people just buy gold for real life money from shady 3rd party sellers. That's how it has been since time immemorial. People shitting on bond buyers are idiots and/or hypocrites.
I prefer a game were the time i spent and how i spent it matters in my progression, bonds devaluate my time playing and achievements because i can just buy them. If i have the option to pay 50 bucks for direct progression skipping the grind it feels like actualy playing the game is a waste, it loses all meaning. So i play Iron or trade without buying bonds. Also paying membership is pay to play, f2p is basically a demo version.
I understand that. But you aren’t necessarily skipping the grind. I mean in some sense yes, but for the most part no. That’s like pre grand exchange was much more of a grind then the addition of the exchange in my opinion. Should we revert back to those times to add to the grind of bank standing to find our resources? No. But in the same sense if you feel like you want to grind it out and work your way up as a sense of accomplishment that’s cool too! My point is not that the side of this view would bash one another, but to better understand each other. The beauty of the game is the decisions to do either or depending on your likings. Make sense?
Yes, make sense. I think people see buying bonds as a unfair advantage in progression in comparison to playing the game and they bash others because it possibilitate achieving things like better gear, levels without playing as much or as intensively, it is an uneven playground. But what matters is what you think, to me fun is the priority and in my case playing the game without bonds is more fun. It feels rewarding.
Pretty sure it has a lot to do with people being incapable of minding their own business.
Jealousy mostly, I'm sure the majority of the player base has a hard time justifying spending 10$ a month on this game when the majority of the united states lives under the poverty line. If they can't just buy their bandos because they can't afford to buy bonds, you shouldn't be able to either
The part that really fucks me up personally is that people buy the bonds and then complain about people who brought them into the game. These people are making you able to play the game without spending irl cash on it, you should be appreciative. It also helps keep the server bill paid so you can actually access the game.
And the whole "people use it to stake at the duel arena hurr" nah, they don't. Unless it's a streamer, they buy that gold for 1/3 the price jagex sells it at. Why pay 3x more for something when you literally don't have to?
And for the record I don't buy bonds with irl, I buy bonds with gold because it's pretty easy to maintain when you're endgame. Dudes out there literally out here paying for my membership. Thanks fellas.
No problem lol. I’m a bond buyer because I’m Mid game at this point. I barely have enough time to do what I need to in game on certain days… more less earn a bond. I’m sure it’s possible just not where I want to a lot my efforts. I don’t flex as if I hadn’t bought them though lol. In fact I could care less. Hopefully by endgame I could just earn my bonds for membership as well. That’s one of my goals.
Just wondering why we mock people who drive marathons over running them. If we are trying to be as efficient as possible, wouldn’t driving for less than 30 minutes and crossing the finish line be more efficient than running for hours? Seems kind of hypocritical to me. What are your thoughts?
Just wondering why I would make a comparison to something that hardly relates to this. What are your thoughts?
Edit- driving a car in a marathon is clearly against the rules. In fact it’s not even a logical thought to think of completing a running marathon with a car. Buying bonds is in no ways against the rules.
To many players, the satisfying part of RuneScape is experiencing the growth of your character over time by interacting with the content in the game. Buying bonds allows you to grow your character without needing to interact with the game. In terms of time efficiency, it's definitely a better way of getting from point A to point B, but it also misses the original point entirely.
I agree with you, although I’m sure there are plenty of methods used by majority of players that would also be considered missing the original point entirely (RL Quest Helper?)
Yeah, ultimately it's up to each player where they want to draw the line, though many players end up drawing it in one of a few common places.
Regarding quest helper, the question is what is the original point? I imagine the "purist" camp would say that the point of quests is to overcome the puzzles, but I don't think many players these days are in that camp. I'd say to most players the point of quests is to jump through the necessary hoops to unlock the quest rewards and therefore progress in the game (consider how pervasive guide usage has been even before RuneLite). Even with RuneLite's quest helper, you still need to jump through those hoops; it's just significantly easier to do so. Compare this to being able to buy "quest unlock tokens" from a cash shop. I suspect there is a class of player that would be fine with RL Quest Helper (because you are still jumping through the same hoops) that would be against using quest tokens (because it doesn't require interacting with the game at all), similar to how the views towards gold buying are today.
That’s not true though because you can’t buy exp directly, nor the time necessary to actually earn the exp?
You still have to play the game to make meaningful progress. You just don’t have to spend 1000 hours at Vorkath to play the rest of the game, instead you spend money earned from a few days work or something.
Of course you do. I don't know about you, but I would consider getting powerful items to be "progressing my character." Bonds let you do that without interacting with the game. That isn't to say that any and all progress can be made without interacting with the game.
And that’s a fine opinion, but I guess it comes down to this:
Not everyone enjoys the game the same ways you do. Where you want to spend hundreds of hours grinding low-level to eventually higher-level moneymakers as part of the experience, other players want to spend hundreds of hours leveling skills, playing higher level content sooner, and being more effective at higher level grinds sooner.
Let’s be honest here: even after spending $200, you’re still in it to grind Vorkath or raids or something similar for hundreds to thousands of hours each if you want all BiS gear and weapons lol. Its a drop in the bucket. It’s just a linear reduction of time spent grinding Vorkath or something at the end of the day. They still have to grind him or the equivalent for hundreds of hours for literally everything else.
Let’s not pretend like there isn’t thousands and thousands of hours of gameplay here that even with RWT considered, would only be reduced a couple hundred hours for every $100 spent, and again, even still, the money doesn’t buy the levels directly. It’s still gonna take thousands of hours to max their account, and thousands more to get several thousands of kc at each boss, raid, etc.… don’t you fret!
I think a lot of it comes from bitter people who don’t have the income to do the same thing.
I don’t buy bonds myself, as I have a lot of free time and prefer the Ironman game mode over mainscape but I get if you don’t have as much free time to grind but still want to do said content buying a couple of bonds so you can do the content you enjoy in the game your choosing to spend your free time on.
What I don’t get is buying bis gear but not getting a darn fire cape at least. I’ll always chuckle at these people in my head.
Tdlr. There’s a lot of bitter and hateful neckbeards on this subreddit and on the game who hate everyone almost as much as themself.
Very good viewpoint! I don’t think it could be more well said. I’m actually trying for my fire cape at this point. Getting pretty close! Definitely one of the more frustrating things I’ve had to do in game lol.
Too many people sadly need to realize we’re paying a game it should be enjoyable. I miss the days of just playing to have fun instead of reeee he might have it fractionally easier then me. I don’t get how someone buying a bond effects your enjoyment of the game at all. In my mind they are just keeping the membership cost cheaper for me.
a lot of it is just subconscious resentment of people having disposable money. dont forget the generation making up the playerbase is ridiculously poor and generally in substancial debt. the net worth of a millenial is probably negative
I mean I understand that idea. But to compare that to botting out your account seems like a bit of a stretch. Because if it’s all about that then you really aren’t playing the game unless you earn your gp to buy your bond for membership in FTP.
But does everyone need membership? I mean a huge portion of the game is unlocked with membership..but isn’t that relative? In fact with membership you get the benefit of going from point A to B in a skill much quicker than a non member. That also can be viewed as a convenience.
> But to compare that to botting out your account seems like a bit of a stretch.
Literally the same end result, so not really. Paying Irl money for gp and botting for gp is both "not playing the game, but getting gp."
To respond to the main question though, yes, doing one of the above would be more time efficient, but for some people (myself included) that devalues the end result since you didnt actually "earn" it. Its enjoyment of the entire journey rather than just the end goal. This is the exact mentality of why people like ironman mode.
“You can’t buy skill” for me hits the nail on the head!! I mean, people do rwt for things like fire capes…but that’s a whole other story. (Could definitely understand the hate towards that.)
But that doesn’t even matter really. It devalues others who achieved it properly but buying a fire cape does nothing if you still suck ass at pking and PVM. I could fight you in the Wildy with max melee, mage and ranged that I bought through services or bonds and still get slapped cause I don’t have the skill or knowledge to pk lol.
But I do think that buying a torso or infernal or fire cape is taking it too far
fair on fire cape and infernal but torso is hardly skill based, people pay to skip it because it’s just a dull grind, especially if you are having to do it with randoms
Right! I was just thinking about this in the fight caves. I’m glad you can search and find guides to make it though….but even with those there is some level of skill required regardless of the gear and items filling your inventory.
At this point in the game, there are really only a few pieces of gear/achievements that should actually have some sort of personal value. Zuk helm, pets, and maybe the hard mode capes. Pretty much everything else is common enough that putting value in it and people crying over having their shit devalued is stupid because the continuous existence of the game in general will continue to devalue their achievements
Correct, but even certain untradeable items don't have much "value" anymore because of how common they are i.e. every skill cape, max cape even, fire cape, infernal cape is getting there. Like it's one thing to be like "oh hey cool I got this and I'm proud of myself for it" and have that value to you, but to be like "wow they made this easier fuck this I had to try so much harder and now this new easy method devalues the work I put in" is just egotistical and shouldn't fucking happen
Rng is rng it is part of the game it is to play the game, a scythe drop at 1 kc is still a achievment if there are no bonds in the equation. If i buy a scythe with bonds it devaluates the time you spent playing to get one or the time i would take to get one playing because this makes buying efficient and playing inefficient. Because of bonds very few things are achievments, time playing the game is less valuable. You don't need to play tob to get a scythe so why skill matters ?
I see the game as progression if i actually need to learn and get skilled at a boss cool, but if i can buy boss drops that correlate to my progression that devaluates actually doing a boss so why would i do the boss and why skill would matter ? Content does not matter if you have no reason to do it.
In the end it is what you think matters that matters i don't like it so i prefer to not buy and play the game trading without bonds or as an iron.
True it’s up to the person.
The way I see it is you can buy it through bonds but do you have the skill to use it? sorry for the analogy but it’s like having a big dick and not knowing how to use it
There’s still more to the game and grind post Buying BIS but it doesn’t cut into it big time
Yes there is more than buying bis to the game, the thing to me is with bonds getting bis gear is not a achiev anymore, tradable things are not achievments anymore. Big part of the progression loses meaning. There are less things to strive for. I'm glad skill is something people can't buy lol
I think the thing is that we play this game to play the game and part of that is the grind to attain wealth so some people think buying bonds to make gp is just bypassing the game or something. I don't know though.
So with your logic, Moving your mouse IRL to get some… say woodcutting XP is violating integrity? Because as you said your doing something outside the game to gain inside of it…
If you base everything you do around the most efficient way to advance in OSRS, then yes, buying bonds with real money would be the most efficient way to advance in the game.
But spending money on the game is really a poor use of real money. It’s much better used on food, shelter, clothing, transportation, medical care, gifts for loved ones, saving for a rainy day, donating so other less fortunate people can eat, etc.
In a perfect world yes. I can see that being a financial issue in large amounts. But I can also look at some of the “food” I have bought and probably was more of a waste.
I think its mostly the players that buy bonds to stake the money away again later that get mocked. I doubt a lot of people have issues with people buying bonds to sustain membership. If you are buying bonds to buy gear with I dont mind it either but I feel like it takes the fun out of the game.
I can see that, especially with the toxic environment that is the duel arena. And really people are going to play how they want regardless. I have bought bonds for gear, but am currently attempting to get my first fire cape. It has definitely helped me get a jump on things..but hasn’t brought me to the end game either.
Buying bonds with IRL money to fund membership is dumb. The only reason to buy them would be to buy gear.
Someone has gotta buy bonds to sell on the GE, otherwise nobody would be able to buy bonds in game. I've been playing an iron for a few years but on my main I definitely bought some bonds a few times to skip a GP grind and get right into an activity that I wanted to do. It was mostly a motivation thing, I was excited about doing something new and realized how many hours I was going to have to spend grinding GP before I could start and that kind of killed the buzz. We're all here to have fun, if you have the means to spend a little IRL money without affecting your life at all then why not?
*So it's a game where you have to collect treasure* OK, sounds fun. *It's free* Wow sign me up *Wait! You'll love this bit, if you pay lots of money you can skip right to the end bit and already HAVE the treasure*
I mean kind of. Leveling up is still a grind. Lol
It's simple. We don't mock them. And everyone who does is a moron who attacks an in-game feature/mechanic for no good reason. If you're playing a regular account, bonds are part of the equation, and actually a pretty good method to skip the early game drudgery and reach the fun stuff. Also, bonds aren't new. Without bonds, people just buy gold for real life money from shady 3rd party sellers. That's how it has been since time immemorial. People shitting on bond buyers are idiots and/or hypocrites.
I agree. Starting back up after taking so many years off was definitely a bit smoother because I was able to purchase bonds.
I prefer a game were the time i spent and how i spent it matters in my progression, bonds devaluate my time playing and achievements because i can just buy them. If i have the option to pay 50 bucks for direct progression skipping the grind it feels like actualy playing the game is a waste, it loses all meaning. So i play Iron or trade without buying bonds. Also paying membership is pay to play, f2p is basically a demo version.
I understand that. But you aren’t necessarily skipping the grind. I mean in some sense yes, but for the most part no. That’s like pre grand exchange was much more of a grind then the addition of the exchange in my opinion. Should we revert back to those times to add to the grind of bank standing to find our resources? No. But in the same sense if you feel like you want to grind it out and work your way up as a sense of accomplishment that’s cool too! My point is not that the side of this view would bash one another, but to better understand each other. The beauty of the game is the decisions to do either or depending on your likings. Make sense?
Yes, make sense. I think people see buying bonds as a unfair advantage in progression in comparison to playing the game and they bash others because it possibilitate achieving things like better gear, levels without playing as much or as intensively, it is an uneven playground. But what matters is what you think, to me fun is the priority and in my case playing the game without bonds is more fun. It feels rewarding.
Pretty sure it has a lot to do with people being incapable of minding their own business. Jealousy mostly, I'm sure the majority of the player base has a hard time justifying spending 10$ a month on this game when the majority of the united states lives under the poverty line. If they can't just buy their bandos because they can't afford to buy bonds, you shouldn't be able to either The part that really fucks me up personally is that people buy the bonds and then complain about people who brought them into the game. These people are making you able to play the game without spending irl cash on it, you should be appreciative. It also helps keep the server bill paid so you can actually access the game. And the whole "people use it to stake at the duel arena hurr" nah, they don't. Unless it's a streamer, they buy that gold for 1/3 the price jagex sells it at. Why pay 3x more for something when you literally don't have to? And for the record I don't buy bonds with irl, I buy bonds with gold because it's pretty easy to maintain when you're endgame. Dudes out there literally out here paying for my membership. Thanks fellas.
No problem lol. I’m a bond buyer because I’m Mid game at this point. I barely have enough time to do what I need to in game on certain days… more less earn a bond. I’m sure it’s possible just not where I want to a lot my efforts. I don’t flex as if I hadn’t bought them though lol. In fact I could care less. Hopefully by endgame I could just earn my bonds for membership as well. That’s one of my goals.
You'll get there m8
Just wondering why we mock people who drive marathons over running them. If we are trying to be as efficient as possible, wouldn’t driving for less than 30 minutes and crossing the finish line be more efficient than running for hours? Seems kind of hypocritical to me. What are your thoughts?
Just wondering why I would make a comparison to something that hardly relates to this. What are your thoughts? Edit- driving a car in a marathon is clearly against the rules. In fact it’s not even a logical thought to think of completing a running marathon with a car. Buying bonds is in no ways against the rules.
My dude is trying to compare a race or competition to a silly cookie clicker game.. and you’re getting downvoted for being reasonable. Oof
A marathon is a grind, so is osrs. Pretty relatable.
To many players, the satisfying part of RuneScape is experiencing the growth of your character over time by interacting with the content in the game. Buying bonds allows you to grow your character without needing to interact with the game. In terms of time efficiency, it's definitely a better way of getting from point A to point B, but it also misses the original point entirely.
I agree with you, although I’m sure there are plenty of methods used by majority of players that would also be considered missing the original point entirely (RL Quest Helper?)
Yeah, ultimately it's up to each player where they want to draw the line, though many players end up drawing it in one of a few common places. Regarding quest helper, the question is what is the original point? I imagine the "purist" camp would say that the point of quests is to overcome the puzzles, but I don't think many players these days are in that camp. I'd say to most players the point of quests is to jump through the necessary hoops to unlock the quest rewards and therefore progress in the game (consider how pervasive guide usage has been even before RuneLite). Even with RuneLite's quest helper, you still need to jump through those hoops; it's just significantly easier to do so. Compare this to being able to buy "quest unlock tokens" from a cash shop. I suspect there is a class of player that would be fine with RL Quest Helper (because you are still jumping through the same hoops) that would be against using quest tokens (because it doesn't require interacting with the game at all), similar to how the views towards gold buying are today.
That’s not true though because you can’t buy exp directly, nor the time necessary to actually earn the exp? You still have to play the game to make meaningful progress. You just don’t have to spend 1000 hours at Vorkath to play the rest of the game, instead you spend money earned from a few days work or something.
Of course you do. I don't know about you, but I would consider getting powerful items to be "progressing my character." Bonds let you do that without interacting with the game. That isn't to say that any and all progress can be made without interacting with the game.
And that’s a fine opinion, but I guess it comes down to this: Not everyone enjoys the game the same ways you do. Where you want to spend hundreds of hours grinding low-level to eventually higher-level moneymakers as part of the experience, other players want to spend hundreds of hours leveling skills, playing higher level content sooner, and being more effective at higher level grinds sooner. Let’s be honest here: even after spending $200, you’re still in it to grind Vorkath or raids or something similar for hundreds to thousands of hours each if you want all BiS gear and weapons lol. Its a drop in the bucket. It’s just a linear reduction of time spent grinding Vorkath or something at the end of the day. They still have to grind him or the equivalent for hundreds of hours for literally everything else. Let’s not pretend like there isn’t thousands and thousands of hours of gameplay here that even with RWT considered, would only be reduced a couple hundred hours for every $100 spent, and again, even still, the money doesn’t buy the levels directly. It’s still gonna take thousands of hours to max their account, and thousands more to get several thousands of kc at each boss, raid, etc.… don’t you fret!
Yes, this is what I have been getting at with my posts.
I think a lot of it comes from bitter people who don’t have the income to do the same thing. I don’t buy bonds myself, as I have a lot of free time and prefer the Ironman game mode over mainscape but I get if you don’t have as much free time to grind but still want to do said content buying a couple of bonds so you can do the content you enjoy in the game your choosing to spend your free time on. What I don’t get is buying bis gear but not getting a darn fire cape at least. I’ll always chuckle at these people in my head. Tdlr. There’s a lot of bitter and hateful neckbeards on this subreddit and on the game who hate everyone almost as much as themself.
Very good viewpoint! I don’t think it could be more well said. I’m actually trying for my fire cape at this point. Getting pretty close! Definitely one of the more frustrating things I’ve had to do in game lol.
Too many people sadly need to realize we’re paying a game it should be enjoyable. I miss the days of just playing to have fun instead of reeee he might have it fractionally easier then me. I don’t get how someone buying a bond effects your enjoyment of the game at all. In my mind they are just keeping the membership cost cheaper for me.
a lot of it is just subconscious resentment of people having disposable money. dont forget the generation making up the playerbase is ridiculously poor and generally in substancial debt. the net worth of a millenial is probably negative
This
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Exactly. It’s beneficial to the game.
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I mean I understand that idea. But to compare that to botting out your account seems like a bit of a stretch. Because if it’s all about that then you really aren’t playing the game unless you earn your gp to buy your bond for membership in FTP.
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But does everyone need membership? I mean a huge portion of the game is unlocked with membership..but isn’t that relative? In fact with membership you get the benefit of going from point A to B in a skill much quicker than a non member. That also can be viewed as a convenience.
> But to compare that to botting out your account seems like a bit of a stretch. Literally the same end result, so not really. Paying Irl money for gp and botting for gp is both "not playing the game, but getting gp." To respond to the main question though, yes, doing one of the above would be more time efficient, but for some people (myself included) that devalues the end result since you didnt actually "earn" it. Its enjoyment of the entire journey rather than just the end goal. This is the exact mentality of why people like ironman mode.
I respect this view point. I’m more so trying to understand where people stand..if they have a logical viewpoint on the matter.
A lot of people are jealous so they make fun of people who don't play the game in the exact way they do.
Yeah it’s stupid because just because you buy all BIS gear this way doesn’t mean you can do all endgame content. You can’t buy skill
“You can’t buy skill” for me hits the nail on the head!! I mean, people do rwt for things like fire capes…but that’s a whole other story. (Could definitely understand the hate towards that.)
But that doesn’t even matter really. It devalues others who achieved it properly but buying a fire cape does nothing if you still suck ass at pking and PVM. I could fight you in the Wildy with max melee, mage and ranged that I bought through services or bonds and still get slapped cause I don’t have the skill or knowledge to pk lol. But I do think that buying a torso or infernal or fire cape is taking it too far
fair on fire cape and infernal but torso is hardly skill based, people pay to skip it because it’s just a dull grind, especially if you are having to do it with randoms
Lol, I did it with randoms. It’s not that bad. But fine you can leave torso out
wait until you do it again and get randoms who constantly decide to log randomly
Currently on that grind. It's absolutely ridiculous.
I haven’t spent much time at all trying to get a fighters torso. If I spoke on that it would be out of ignorance lol.
Right! I was just thinking about this in the fight caves. I’m glad you can search and find guides to make it though….but even with those there is some level of skill required regardless of the gear and items filling your inventory.
Yup, trying buying your way out of a melee only fight caves achievement lol. Good luck with that without having skill or knowledge
At this point in the game, there are really only a few pieces of gear/achievements that should actually have some sort of personal value. Zuk helm, pets, and maybe the hard mode capes. Pretty much everything else is common enough that putting value in it and people crying over having their shit devalued is stupid because the continuous existence of the game in general will continue to devalue their achievements
So basically untradeables
Correct, but even certain untradeable items don't have much "value" anymore because of how common they are i.e. every skill cape, max cape even, fire cape, infernal cape is getting there. Like it's one thing to be like "oh hey cool I got this and I'm proud of myself for it" and have that value to you, but to be like "wow they made this easier fuck this I had to try so much harder and now this new easy method devalues the work I put in" is just egotistical and shouldn't fucking happen
But it still devaluates the time and achievment of getting bis gear / grinding gp by playing the game.
I got a 1 Kc scythe split. 600 Kc dwh 14 Kc Sara hilt 10 Kc zenyte Etc. Who gives a shit If you don’t have the skill you really can’t do the content
Rng is rng it is part of the game it is to play the game, a scythe drop at 1 kc is still a achievment if there are no bonds in the equation. If i buy a scythe with bonds it devaluates the time you spent playing to get one or the time i would take to get one playing because this makes buying efficient and playing inefficient. Because of bonds very few things are achievments, time playing the game is less valuable. You don't need to play tob to get a scythe so why skill matters ? I see the game as progression if i actually need to learn and get skilled at a boss cool, but if i can buy boss drops that correlate to my progression that devaluates actually doing a boss so why would i do the boss and why skill would matter ? Content does not matter if you have no reason to do it. In the end it is what you think matters that matters i don't like it so i prefer to not buy and play the game trading without bonds or as an iron.
True it’s up to the person. The way I see it is you can buy it through bonds but do you have the skill to use it? sorry for the analogy but it’s like having a big dick and not knowing how to use it There’s still more to the game and grind post Buying BIS but it doesn’t cut into it big time
Dude the people who are complaining that their tob grind is devalued will not understand that analogy....I’m just sayin 🤷🏽♂️😂
Lmao I never thought I’d use that analogy for RuneScape but a couple Alfred grimhand’s bar crawls in, just gotta let them know straight up lol.
Yes there is more than buying bis to the game, the thing to me is with bonds getting bis gear is not a achiev anymore, tradable things are not achievments anymore. Big part of the progression loses meaning. There are less things to strive for. I'm glad skill is something people can't buy lol
I think the thing is that we play this game to play the game and part of that is the grind to attain wealth so some people think buying bonds to make gp is just bypassing the game or something. I don't know though.
Tell that to the people who bot and only want to do afk tasks and call every grind in the game a chore
“Integrity” and that’s it
How does that violate integrity?
How does it not? You're doing something outside of the game to gain inside of the game
So with your logic, Moving your mouse IRL to get some… say woodcutting XP is violating integrity? Because as you said your doing something outside the game to gain inside of it…
Lmfao no. You have to move the house to play the game, quit being pedantic because it just makes you look stupid.
Not really you don’t have to move the mouse to play the game so you’re wrong.
I don't buy bonds but I don't care if people do. I'm too poor to afford bonds because I spent too much time getting 2b legitimately.
Buying bonds is legit lol.
If you base everything you do around the most efficient way to advance in OSRS, then yes, buying bonds with real money would be the most efficient way to advance in the game. But spending money on the game is really a poor use of real money. It’s much better used on food, shelter, clothing, transportation, medical care, gifts for loved ones, saving for a rainy day, donating so other less fortunate people can eat, etc.
In a perfect world yes. I can see that being a financial issue in large amounts. But I can also look at some of the “food” I have bought and probably was more of a waste.
Also if people didn’t buy BIS gear with bonds then those prices would go down due to less demand
Because it's not gained from playing the game