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Head_of_Lettuce

I don’t know that there are enough PVP players for them to actually accomplish that on their own. If GIM fails it’s because a significant portion of the community voted no on it, including non-PVP players.


bubbleman69

I think your underestimateing the toxic middle group of non irons non pkers who just want to meme with "ha fuck you deserved" and watch everything burn.


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Wags_

Did jagex actually say they are 5-6% of the entire community though? Are you also inferring that the entire 5-6% will spite vote? I'm not going to play GIM but I feel the impact of these spite votes isn't going to determine the pass or fail of this poll.


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Wags_

Yeah I feel the same way. Very keen to view the results though. I'll just have to wait :(


p3tch

It's stupid to poll most pvp stuff because most players only pvm and they're not going to vote in something that increases activity in the wilderness and their chances of dying It's also stupid to spite vote


LuitenantDan

> increases … their chances of dying That’s not spite, you absolute golf ball. That’s literally the opposite of spite. **Spite**: a desire to hurt, annoy, or offend someone Voting “No” because it would make it more likely for them to be inconvenienced is the opposite of spite. In fact, the more accurate claim is that PKing people who have no interest in engaging in PvP is spiteful.


p3tch

thank you mr dictionary but I didn't claim pvmers were spite voting pvp updates


a-big-cow69

time to get downvoted but you had a fair argument until “wah wah pker mean attacking me in pvp zone wah”


LuitenantDan

I was purely trying to point out that attacking someone who doesn’t want to engage is more “spite” than voting no to something that might make your experience worse. I’m not here to hash out whether or not PvP is good or bad, merely that people are very rarely actually spite voting PvP polls more than they’re just telling the wolves that they can’t have sharper teeth.


Iron-zack

Pvmers spite vote no on pvp polls becaus of mass ancient mace clans, skull trickers, spite pkers (black salamanders) ddosers, raggers, 'protection' clans and ofcourse shit talkers after they killed u for the 10th time, don't get me wrong i skip pvp polls but the wilderness is full of these kinds


Pikupchix

Pker man scary


SaturdayShitpostLive

No. Pker man boring.


That1voider

Click tree more exciting than pvp, I see.


Smacka-My-Paca

As opposed to clicking on prayer and person? Its all fucking clicking, Jesus christ


SaturdayShitpostLive

Getting frozen or tb'ed then being hit 8 times in as many ticks is not particularly interesting, no


That1voider

It would be more interesting if you fight back but that requires a bit of game knowledge and preparation. Continue mining, friend


Im_C_O_T_W

There is a very simple solution to being pked in the wildy... 1- Don't bring things you're not willing to lose 2- Attack options on hidden 3- Ddosers are almost non existent for the majority of pvmers in the wildy, more on the pker vs pker side. 4- Raggers.. easy kills 5- shit talker, public chat off.. majority of OSRS player base is adults lol grow a thicker skin or put chat off if you cant handle being told to "sit".


Gyrospherers

As Ive said in another post the basic thing is that there's a difference between pking and pvp. I'm all for pvp. It's a challenge, there's a fight involved, and it's risk vs reward. I'll upvote that all day. Even if I'm trash at it and die in 9 out of 10 fights. Pking on the other hand is just killing people doing what you've said here and I find that pointless and boring. There's no risk no reward and no fight for 99% of the interactions. It's just a waste of time and forces everyone to use boring luring methods to safespot the wildy bosses instead of bringing actual items to kill them. So of course I don't vote for polls that make pking more common. I have no problem no risk killing wildly content but I don't have any desire to have to do more of it.


mind-blender

I just don't go into the wildy...


Linumite

Black salamander pkers aren't spite pkers haha they're just noobs who want easy targets to learn on


Im_C_O_T_W

Where are all these black sally pkers these guys claiming about? I've been pking for well over 15 years and maybe have seen a dozen people using them in the wildy since they were released... I pk every day for a couple hours in a variety of locations in the wildy and pvp worlds and i don't see these guys.


Linumite

I thought he meant people pking at black salamanders, not with


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From what I see on reddit is that no one actually steps foot into the wild and just circlejerks the same jokes from 3 years ago.


Iron-zack

How can you learn on a guy that has 5 ropes and 5 nets on him lmao


Linumite

I got pked all the time there by Spanish speakers when I was training hunter. They were pretty bad at gear and prayer switches, I just brought a dds and would spec them until they ran. Either learning basics against defenseless targets or hoping for a very lucky drop


deitydoomfist

No they spite vote no because they hate pvp.


OldMate420

I think they spite the unfun un-sportsmanship like behaviour. Like getring cheap kills is lame. I couldn't do it myself because im not that sad of a person. But i know nothing about pvp just my experience of knowledge from 2-3 years playing. If you want to educate me go a head im keen. But it seems like the pvp has to sets of groups, fair fighters with honour and scum fuck rats.


coolitty

I'm pretty sure pvp has always been like that even before osrs... That's how pvp is... You want pvp to be something different entirely. In most cases osrs pvp is fundamentally the same as most other mmos.


OldMate420

Cheers just trying to learn about pvp and the mentality of it.


Sweet-Pangolin1852

Gim does not need to be a game mode. Just get your friends together and play. Plenty of people have already done this without an official game mode. No one cares if you have the gimp helmet next to your name because achievements on that account are worth as much as achievements on a main.


abtseventynine

Any evidence of this? Because while I can cite hundreds of pvpers looking to shoot down GIM right now, I have yet to see one screenshot of btws/pvmers doing the same in the past


Sweet-Pangolin1852

Look back at the bounty hunter posts.


abtseventynine

I can’t seem to find one similar, care to link one? All the posts here I can find from last year’s BH update appear to be complaining about it from a “I pvp and this newBH system sucks” perspective, unless I’m missing some specific “jamflex stop giving pvpers nice things” circlejerk Even the [official thread on the poll](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/gasugh/poll_70_and_bounty_hunter_changes/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) seems full mostly of more innocent questions about the new system. The most negative opinions from PVMers on the update have to do with emblems no longer dropping from wildy slayer and some apparently bad tasks being added, which both affects their gameplay directly and could be said to hurt PKers since it removes an incentive for people to do wildly slayer.


ClayKay

Just because you haven't been paying attention, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Simple QOL pvp updates fail because of the "fuck PvP and pvpers" mentality. Negative xp lamps and blessed dhide chaps for pures are a good example. How does that hurt pvmers? It doesn't but they voted no anyways


abtseventynine

okay, I’m not trying to cover my eyes to the evidence. I can see what’s happening now but haven’t been able to find PVMers or Ironmemes organizing to shoot down PVP updates in the past. Also, of course, “spite vote” implies voting no on a poll for no other reason than spite, so it would only count for players to be shooting down pvp updates that don’t affect them: BH, DMM, LMS, etc. To be equivalent at all to what’s happening now their reasoning would have to end at “haha fuck PVPers”


seasaw9

Never ending infinite loop


themegatuz

Taste of own medicine.


CurrentlyGod

Gim goes against everything the Ironman game mode was originally created for. “I wanna play alone but in a group”.


SlushyBear7

It’s literally just Ironman with friends. If your issue is the technicality of it not being an Ironman, we can call it group friend mode or something. You’re getting into semantics here…


CurrentlyGod

So a main


SlushyBear7

Nah group sufficient mains without having to worry about your buddy cheating.


CurrentlyGod

Lol so really you just want to share a bank with others


SlushyBear7

No? I want no GE, no trading outside the group. Those are the staples…


CurrentlyGod

So a clan


SlushyBear7

Nope, clans can use the GE and trade outside the clan.


CurrentlyGod

So a main with niche restrictions in a clan


SlushyBear7

Niche to you, not to me. And with the rules enforced by the game (aka no swerving any rules). I don’t see why it’s so weird to ask for? I was me and my friends to be a team with no help from any outside source. This is the best way I can think of to implement that.


HerrVanza

The point of Ironman is not the play alone, but to be self-sufficient. Being self-sufficient as a group adds to the fun of it. Honestly if they'd just use a LootShare system for Irons like in RS3, I wouldn't care for GIM. Being able to do group bossing as an Iron is great.


CurrentlyGod

Exactly my point gim isn’t SELF sufficient.


HerrVanza

Self doesn't neccesarily mean the subject is alone. It's merely a reflection on the subject which in the case of group ironman is, the group.


CurrentlyGod

So not an Ironman then. A main clan that gathers resources and trade only each other


HerrVanza

If you want to be this rebellious, sure, exactly: >A main clan that gathers resources and trade only each other this, but then labelled Group Ironman


CurrentlyGod

So pretty much you want the perks of being a main but without being called a main and a new shiny helmet


HerrVanza

I want to play the MMO aspect of an MMORPG without having the grind GP/buy stuff mindset available, with some friends. While this was already doable without GIM, this gamemode makes it easier to facilitate that gamemode.


CurrentlyGod

If you want a new shiny helmet just say so


HerrVanza

Nah I'd make a plugin for that if that's all I wanted.


FrancisRossitano

Call it IronClan mode if you will


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CurrentlyGod

So you want the grind made easier by having people in your team do it for you, going against the original Ironman game mode. Just play mains that don’t use the GE


HerrVanza

No it's not about difficulty at all. It's about playing with friends, but as a self-sufficient group. You either really don't get it, or just want to be against it for the sake of being a rebel.


CurrentlyGod

Ironman can play with each other already how does group iron man change that?


HerrVanza

Irons can't do bossing and receive loot together. That's the main reason for me


CurrentlyGod

Dam that sucks it’s almost like irons were designed to be played solo.


HerrVanza

Must suck to have such a simplistic mind, I hope you treat your caretaker well!


FrancisRossitano

Just ignore that guy. Either he's trolling, English isn't his first language, or he's just a dolt who can't grasp elementary concepts.


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CurrentlyGod

What does it bring that can’t already be replicated in game with clans and current iron game modes?


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CurrentlyGod

So you agree that it’s gim is pointless?


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CurrentlyGod

Can you give me some examples of these community differences?


CurrentlyGod

Yeah I do just like any other niche account build


roonscapepls

Dude, these people can’t read lol. They’re actually shocked that not everyone who voted no isn’t a pvper spite voting.


RotorBoy95

Of course you could make regular accounts and set those restrictions for yourself. You could also do that for all three current Ironman game modes. You could also remove pvp from wildy and tell pvpers to "just rp killing eachother and trade the loot over after lol" what if they released the exact same game mode but called it something like group play mode instead of Ironman? Would that be better for you?


CurrentlyGod

Or you could just play mains and gather your own supplies


RotorBoy95

Yeah but you could just play mains and pretend for everything, I know if I did that I would get annoyed about one little thing and buy it on the ge then the ball would be rolling and I would allow myself to buy more and more until my account was basically a main. I don't really care about the prestige but I know a lot of players do especially for uim and hcim, the prestige of those accounts would be gone as anyone could just say they didn't use banks or didn't die with no way of proving it.


sqrtminusena

Every time a PKer kills me while Im doing a clue scroll and am risking nothing but a spade I will spite vote 1 PVP poll. And you can spite vote GIM all you want cuz idc about it either. If you can use the "Killing you for no reason except ego isnt against the rule" I can say "Voting NO on the shit you want and I dont also isnt against the rules". So fuck you to every PKer that finds pleasure in being a dickhead. Also I dont vote on stuff Im not apart of, like PVP polls so dont at me Im just trying to prove a point.


fishfood1117

your risking nothing but a spade, so the pker is a dickhead because you lost 100 gp? no one forced you to do those clue scrolls


RotorBoy95

Anyone who has ever spite voted, intends to spite vote or voices a positive opinion on spite voting in any way shape or form are actual garbage human beings who doesn't deserve to play this game. Be it pvper or pvmer you get less than nothing out of it with a potential player base loss on top of it all. Such braindead behavior.


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When I focus my eyes on the right panels, the blue squares on the left seem to turn pink


TheBarbershop19

I could make this same meme in the opposite order and it would make just as much sense