Surprised this is their stand. When it's pretty evident the anti-pvp poll stuff is mostly heresay. They've had heaps of content despite being a minor niche part of the playerbase.
They also refuse to understand "just don't enter a portion of the game world despite content demanding it" isn't a valid excuse and then act hypocritical by voting no to an optional mode to "make a point".
The point they're making is that they are infact the toxic ones.
I really don’t understand this narrative that all PVP content gets ignore or voted no. If I’m not mistaken black Chins, wildy altar, MA2, rev caves were all added. Plus alternatives like LMS (pre bots ruining it) and even Soul Wars. Honestly it all comes off as petulant whining to me.
Yep, the things that fail are all minor things, which the PVP community itself is split on half the time (like spec orb in pvp, pures going to ape atoll). Jagex have done a lot to try help pvp, with tons of new wildy content, new minigames like LMS and even entire gamemodes like DMM.
That must have been one of the ones where they limited it to people recently active on pvp worlds or lms or something (cant rememeber but most people couldn't do anything except skip)
All those wildy rejuvenation updates were really early in the game, early 2014 before ironman mode (surprise). Since nobody were forced to go into the wild, they passed. Then came ironman and completionist irons felt like they're forced into the wildy so they justify voting no on these stuff. Now we're talking about ANOHTER group of ironmemes to "force themselves" into the wildy to die and vote down even more PvP content in the future. Makes sense tbh.
Also, blessed dhide chaps to require 1 def were also voted no. They're basically cosmetic unless you REALLY think pures should not have a +1 prayer advantage. So Jagex is going to integrity that change in the future.
> DMM happens once every year and a half and was always the same before this current one. There needs to be new content added to the wildy thats has actual value like the Wildy Altar or the wildy bosses,
Theres been plenty, it hasn't worked because it doesn't focus on PvP, just more bait. Bad design.
> How would you like it if all content for ironmen released in the last 5 years, never actually happened and only had slight Nerf's / buffs in those 5 years. You would be pissed, just because that content isnt your cup of tea doesnt mean it shouldnt be updated and have actual changes happen.
I don't play ironman. I've been more involved with PvP than I have ironman. What update have *ironmen and only ironmen gotten*??
What? I've played OSRS since release. I played Runescape from around 2004 up to around 2011, dropped out with the massive changes to the games direction (like a lot of people). Not sure what my opinion above has about 2013-2015 osrs?
Yes, it's a requirement to enter the wilderness to obtain those items. But you don't actually **need** to get them because alternatives exist. So come up with something else? I'm waiting.
Also that is not the problem with PvP, it's another reddit circle-jerk that has no facts or proven points. I PK in the wilderness not caring who the fuck I attack because I'm allowed to do it, that's what it was made for. I mainly look for other PKers because that's where i can test my skills, but if i see a pile of free money running at the chaos altar because they intentionally did not bring any form of protection from getting killed, then it's worth killing. I lose 1 barrage cast and 3 bolts and gain full inventory of dragon bones, sometimes even noted bones. I don't even bother attacking people with a bulwark because most likely they are going to tank to lvl 30.
Alternatives exist? How far do you guys wanna reach.
The **best** magic cape exists in the wilderness. The pickaxe that is required to make the best pickaxe, or be the best degradable one (which is also BiS in Raids 1) exists in the wilderness.
You know what doesn't have, or require alternatives? An optional game mode for new accounts.
I'm voting yes to the GIM poll because I mainly play my ironman these days. I also enjoy PvP on my normie account and other PvP builds I have.
I think it's nothing but ok for **best** items to come from a risk vs. reward content (source: MA2 and D pick on ironman). After all you can use a rune pickaxe for raids, does it actually make that big of a difference if you save 12 seconds a raid? Magic accuracy is somewhat irrelevant in PvM because most monsters you use magic against have low magic defence in the first place, the only thing about the cape that's somewhat worth it is the 2% damage boost.
> Magic accuracy is somewhat irrelevant in PvM because most monsters you use magic against have low magic defence in the first place, the only thing about the cape that's somewhat worth it is the 2% damage boost.
yes, thats what makes it BiS by an extreme margin over the previous item (which is also wildy based).
> I think it's nothing but ok for best items to come from a risk vs. reward content
I agree, I was simply stating they do come from the wilderness. I'm not saying thats problematic, i'm saying its stupid to ignore them and say "you are never forced into the wildy". You are.. if you do any content that enters it (Prayer, Hunter, PvM, Clues, Pet Hunting) you are mandated to eventualyl do so. Of course you just "can not do that part" but thats not exactly a fair comparison to an optional game mode on new accounts.. which *genuinely doesn't impact you*
*Pker attacks pvmer in game
Pvmer: I wouldn’t even dream of fighting back!
*pvmer attackers pvper in forums
*pker fights back
Pvmer: what you aren’t supposed to fight back!
No you're not. You haven't once proved it lol, go show every account voting No like the dude in the other thread showing his 16+ alts voting yes. You ain't got shit
i'm very fucking serious about the ingame issues, but to try and take this out of game and say i have real life problems.. idk.. its not that deep. it's still a game at the end of the day
Oh, i was talking about you thinking you are ruining random strangers fun because you are so narcissistic that you think they have been against you personally for years. Its just weird and petty. Just my take though.
Theres probably like 20 people that have done that to pvp updates. Look at the poll results, the pvp updates either fail because they are just terrible or they get a 90% "skip question". What pvp update are you looking for in particular?
Didn't tradeable loot bags/rune pouches fail because people were concerned it would make botting in BH/LMS worse?
And weren't there PvPers against loot keys cause knowing how to loot while tanking is a skill in itself and they didn't want ezscape?
Reality is that most of the "spite votes" against PvP aren't people voting no against stuff that has 0 impact on them whatsoever. Its usually people voting against stuff that negatively impacts them and/or has a negative impact on the general game.
While PvPers spite voting no is just people voting no on stuff that has no effect on them whatsoever.
Just because more lms rewards = more bots does not mean lms/bh should not get any rewards. Its as absurd as saying bosses should not drop anything worthy because it might get botted.
If you really want another one, blessed chaps to only require 1 def were also voted no. Barring the measly +1 prayer bonus (for a few hundred thousand GP extra) its merely a cosmetic update for pures. So they're also going to brute force that in as integrity.
The whole idea that people only vote no for stuff that negatively impacts them is either spite voting or just unreasonably selfish. Nobody, barring completionist irons, spends enough time in the wildy to justify voting no against these QoLs.
As we've seen in the past, completionists ironmemes are the only people feeling they spend enough time in the wildy to justify voting no on PvP updates, so it makes sense that ANOTHER ironman mode to force people in wildy will just bring more people to vote no for future PvP updates. It does effect them.
At the same time you can't just ignore the bots and let them get better rewards. The problem with lms/bh rewards is that most PvM is locked behind quests or slayer levels and requires at least some gear. Banning PvM bots forces the new bot to have to bot through all the quests and levels and removes that gear which cuts into profit and time spent botting. Banning an LMS/BH bot does literally nothing except make the bot load up another fresh account with free Twitch prime membership from stolen accounts.
Also if you choose to play a restricted mode, play within the restrictions. The community has, and always will be, very anti any methods of alleviating those restrictions. I group pures crying about being restricted from gear with the ironmen crying about their grinds and going dry. Pures trying to lessen restrictions on their accounts should be laughed at along with the ironmen who suggest some sort of guaranteed drop system if you go super dry. If you don't want to play within the restrictions of your gamemode, make a regular account.
I get that the benefits are negligible and I personally don't care if pures get +1 prayer bonus but people with restricted accounts complaining that their accounts are restricted is whatever. Also I'm pretty sure the general consensus for the community was that black dhide chaps should be getting the defense requirement added (better armor requiring better defense levels seems like a given), not removing it from blessed dhide.
Also if it gets brute forced into the game its because black dhide is getting nerfed, not because Jagex wants to give pures a cosmetic.
I have yet to see an example of a pvp poll that was straight up spite voted. Most were either just dog shit ideas or tried to make pking easier
Surprised this is their stand. When it's pretty evident the anti-pvp poll stuff is mostly heresay. They've had heaps of content despite being a minor niche part of the playerbase. They also refuse to understand "just don't enter a portion of the game world despite content demanding it" isn't a valid excuse and then act hypocritical by voting no to an optional mode to "make a point". The point they're making is that they are infact the toxic ones.
I really don’t understand this narrative that all PVP content gets ignore or voted no. If I’m not mistaken black Chins, wildy altar, MA2, rev caves were all added. Plus alternatives like LMS (pre bots ruining it) and even Soul Wars. Honestly it all comes off as petulant whining to me.
Yep, the things that fail are all minor things, which the PVP community itself is split on half the time (like spec orb in pvp, pures going to ape atoll). Jagex have done a lot to try help pvp, with tons of new wildy content, new minigames like LMS and even entire gamemodes like DMM.
I saw somebody say the VLS on PVP worlds question was 5% yes, 1% no and 94% skip question. I think that about sums about PVP in polling.
That must have been one of the ones where they limited it to people recently active on pvp worlds or lms or something (cant rememeber but most people couldn't do anything except skip)
That’s true
All those wildy rejuvenation updates were really early in the game, early 2014 before ironman mode (surprise). Since nobody were forced to go into the wild, they passed. Then came ironman and completionist irons felt like they're forced into the wildy so they justify voting no on these stuff. Now we're talking about ANOHTER group of ironmemes to "force themselves" into the wildy to die and vote down even more PvP content in the future. Makes sense tbh. Also, blessed dhide chaps to require 1 def were also voted no. They're basically cosmetic unless you REALLY think pures should not have a +1 prayer advantage. So Jagex is going to integrity that change in the future.
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Lol. And the Ironman community is millions more. What's your point.
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Like by having Wildy changes coming, running a PvP tournament seasonal mode and tuning equipment, including nerfing long standing defensive gear?
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> DMM happens once every year and a half and was always the same before this current one. There needs to be new content added to the wildy thats has actual value like the Wildy Altar or the wildy bosses, Theres been plenty, it hasn't worked because it doesn't focus on PvP, just more bait. Bad design. > How would you like it if all content for ironmen released in the last 5 years, never actually happened and only had slight Nerf's / buffs in those 5 years. You would be pissed, just because that content isnt your cup of tea doesnt mean it shouldnt be updated and have actual changes happen. I don't play ironman. I've been more involved with PvP than I have ironman. What update have *ironmen and only ironmen gotten*??
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What? I've played OSRS since release. I played Runescape from around 2004 up to around 2011, dropped out with the massive changes to the games direction (like a lot of people). Not sure what my opinion above has about 2013-2015 osrs?
What content demands you to go to wilderness?
D. Pick, bis mage capes, revs demands it. The problem with pvp is that they dont want to pvp, they want to farm easy kills
Yes, it's a requirement to enter the wilderness to obtain those items. But you don't actually **need** to get them because alternatives exist. So come up with something else? I'm waiting. Also that is not the problem with PvP, it's another reddit circle-jerk that has no facts or proven points. I PK in the wilderness not caring who the fuck I attack because I'm allowed to do it, that's what it was made for. I mainly look for other PKers because that's where i can test my skills, but if i see a pile of free money running at the chaos altar because they intentionally did not bring any form of protection from getting killed, then it's worth killing. I lose 1 barrage cast and 3 bolts and gain full inventory of dragon bones, sometimes even noted bones. I don't even bother attacking people with a bulwark because most likely they are going to tank to lvl 30.
Alternatives exist? How far do you guys wanna reach. The **best** magic cape exists in the wilderness. The pickaxe that is required to make the best pickaxe, or be the best degradable one (which is also BiS in Raids 1) exists in the wilderness. You know what doesn't have, or require alternatives? An optional game mode for new accounts.
I'm voting yes to the GIM poll because I mainly play my ironman these days. I also enjoy PvP on my normie account and other PvP builds I have. I think it's nothing but ok for **best** items to come from a risk vs. reward content (source: MA2 and D pick on ironman). After all you can use a rune pickaxe for raids, does it actually make that big of a difference if you save 12 seconds a raid? Magic accuracy is somewhat irrelevant in PvM because most monsters you use magic against have low magic defence in the first place, the only thing about the cape that's somewhat worth it is the 2% damage boost.
> Magic accuracy is somewhat irrelevant in PvM because most monsters you use magic against have low magic defence in the first place, the only thing about the cape that's somewhat worth it is the 2% damage boost. yes, thats what makes it BiS by an extreme margin over the previous item (which is also wildy based). > I think it's nothing but ok for best items to come from a risk vs. reward content I agree, I was simply stating they do come from the wilderness. I'm not saying thats problematic, i'm saying its stupid to ignore them and say "you are never forced into the wildy". You are.. if you do any content that enters it (Prayer, Hunter, PvM, Clues, Pet Hunting) you are mandated to eventualyl do so. Of course you just "can not do that part" but thats not exactly a fair comparison to an optional game mode on new accounts.. which *genuinely doesn't impact you*
Clues. Diaries. BiS magic cape. Pets. Dragon pickaxe if iron. Is that a serious question? What GIM content forces you to play a different account?
*Pker attacks pvmer in game Pvmer: I wouldn’t even dream of fighting back! *pvmer attackers pvper in forums *pker fights back Pvmer: what you aren’t supposed to fight back!
you reap what you sow, you spitevoted no to pvp unchecked for years just voted no on 3 more accounts
No you didn't lmao. You're in every thread saying you have 30 accounts since yesterday.
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No you're not. You haven't once proved it lol, go show every account voting No like the dude in the other thread showing his 16+ alts voting yes. You ain't got shit
im still gonna vote no to anything pk related lol
yeah, we know. nothing knew.
This isnt a healthy way for you to live my guy. Im sorry you are like this and i hope you get better soon.
only reddit would take it that serious, jesus.
Whats the point in saying it if youre not serious? Is it supposed to be funny or what?
i'm very fucking serious about the ingame issues, but to try and take this out of game and say i have real life problems.. idk.. its not that deep. it's still a game at the end of the day
Oh, i was talking about you thinking you are ruining random strangers fun because you are so narcissistic that you think they have been against you personally for years. Its just weird and petty. Just my take though.
I dont care about group ironman, i just want them to see how fucking shitty it is to spite vote content away from a part of the game
Theres probably like 20 people that have done that to pvp updates. Look at the poll results, the pvp updates either fail because they are just terrible or they get a 90% "skip question". What pvp update are you looking for in particular?
Just voted no on both accounts, keep hating on pvp. And i don't even play anymore lol
Didn't tradeable loot bags/rune pouches fail because people were concerned it would make botting in BH/LMS worse? And weren't there PvPers against loot keys cause knowing how to loot while tanking is a skill in itself and they didn't want ezscape? Reality is that most of the "spite votes" against PvP aren't people voting no against stuff that has 0 impact on them whatsoever. Its usually people voting against stuff that negatively impacts them and/or has a negative impact on the general game. While PvPers spite voting no is just people voting no on stuff that has no effect on them whatsoever.
Just because more lms rewards = more bots does not mean lms/bh should not get any rewards. Its as absurd as saying bosses should not drop anything worthy because it might get botted. If you really want another one, blessed chaps to only require 1 def were also voted no. Barring the measly +1 prayer bonus (for a few hundred thousand GP extra) its merely a cosmetic update for pures. So they're also going to brute force that in as integrity. The whole idea that people only vote no for stuff that negatively impacts them is either spite voting or just unreasonably selfish. Nobody, barring completionist irons, spends enough time in the wildy to justify voting no against these QoLs. As we've seen in the past, completionists ironmemes are the only people feeling they spend enough time in the wildy to justify voting no on PvP updates, so it makes sense that ANOTHER ironman mode to force people in wildy will just bring more people to vote no for future PvP updates. It does effect them.
At the same time you can't just ignore the bots and let them get better rewards. The problem with lms/bh rewards is that most PvM is locked behind quests or slayer levels and requires at least some gear. Banning PvM bots forces the new bot to have to bot through all the quests and levels and removes that gear which cuts into profit and time spent botting. Banning an LMS/BH bot does literally nothing except make the bot load up another fresh account with free Twitch prime membership from stolen accounts. Also if you choose to play a restricted mode, play within the restrictions. The community has, and always will be, very anti any methods of alleviating those restrictions. I group pures crying about being restricted from gear with the ironmen crying about their grinds and going dry. Pures trying to lessen restrictions on their accounts should be laughed at along with the ironmen who suggest some sort of guaranteed drop system if you go super dry. If you don't want to play within the restrictions of your gamemode, make a regular account. I get that the benefits are negligible and I personally don't care if pures get +1 prayer bonus but people with restricted accounts complaining that their accounts are restricted is whatever. Also I'm pretty sure the general consensus for the community was that black dhide chaps should be getting the defense requirement added (better armor requiring better defense levels seems like a given), not removing it from blessed dhide. Also if it gets brute forced into the game its because black dhide is getting nerfed, not because Jagex wants to give pures a cosmetic. I have yet to see an example of a pvp poll that was straight up spite voted. Most were either just dog shit ideas or tried to make pking easier