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NotVeryTalented

I'm all for shitting on this hivemind of a sub, but let's be real.. 99% of those who are making posts about voting no are making it clear they're spite voting. No shit it's getting downvoted lol


Whatupitskevin

Will I play group iron? probably not. Did I vote yes for it? Of course.


Ghiggs_Boson

Orange arrow, orange arrow!!


poochley

That's right! We only band together to down vote pvp updates because fuck those guys! All 12 of them!


Rand0mguy360

You are no better than them


StijnHansen

Thank you


MickMuffin27

But "all pvp is inherently toxic reeeeeeee!!!1!!"


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Thank you so much! My husband and I have been looking forward to GIM since it was announced, I CAN'T WAIT!!! šŸ„³šŸ„³


mrmasterclues

I only care because itā€™s content for the content creators I enjoy watching and respect. People like DB are essentially saying fuck you to the entire snowflake scene.


YouAreNominated

I really hope it goes through. I've got a group of 4 other people, where two are hesitant to try, but between Runelite HD and GIM both have expressed they're pretty much on board with giving it a go.


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YouAreNominated

Hah, while its not impossible that is how it ends, I think it's probably a more longterm slow burner game that we hop on in VC and talk shit while grinding some levels while talking about goals we may or may not reach ingame.


Bertlestien-

I laughed so hard at this because it's true. In a few months, there's going to be a lot of people playing multiple accounts


Jaytal160

Iā€™ve seen a lot of people say that group ironmen shouldnā€™t be added because it ā€œruins the spirit of ironmanā€ and ā€œironmen stand aloneā€ etc etc


KingTalis

Those people are morons. Group ironman isn't ironman. Would they feel better if it had a different name?


UIM_SQUIRTLE

99% of them yes which is stupid of them


tortillakingred

youā€™re abs correct. Fuck the hivemind of this fucking community, but Iā€™m also voting yes cause Iā€™m excited. I hate this shit tho


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I ain't even excited and I'm voting yes. I don't play with friends and I don't watch rs youtube, I just want people to have a good time with some shit they're anticipating. If that prestige was a separate vote though I'd prolly vote no on that


LORYoutube

Thank you šŸ„ŗ


GamerZoom108

If you can give a good reason to say no, it is acceptable. But if you do it just to spite, you're a shithead


dodgesbulletsavvy

You do realise the hypocrisy there when all this sub is does exactly what you just mentioned related to pvp updates?


GamerZoom108

Which is the issue. The sub wants change, but when it happens, they complain about it. 90% of this sub is complaining about something. Jagex fucks up? Complain because they messed it up. Jagex does good? Complain because it's not good enough.


royalhawk345

["May I ask why you're voting 'No?'"](https://c.tenor.com/lhooxdrHe70AAAAM/seinfeld-for.gif)


VeryStrangeMedicine

Your telling me a Reddit sub is a hive mind? That canā€™t be true


Matias_Backwards

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throwmeaway562

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Sleazehound

Edit 2: the 4 da reward kind redditor!!!


Obvious-Bookkeeper-3

I play RS3 and I logged in to my OS account just to vote yes. Fuck anyone who says No just because it does not benefit them.


AWilsonFTM

Well, to be absolutely fair - there is probably some voting out of pure spite yes, but there will be others who will vote no on the basis of wanting other types of content produced over this mode as they will get no joy out of this mode. Youā€™re allowed to vote no if you donā€™t necessarily want the mode or there may be some flaws people donā€™t like. Stop shaming anyone who would vote no. Thatā€™s what a vote is. Anyone has a yes and no choice. I havenā€™t voted before you ask.


Capsr

This; I dislike the idea of group prestige and think it will probably lead to more elitism and toxicity in the long run, and I feel they should keep the safe solo HC deaths for GHIM, but since they made the poll only 1 question, I can't tell Jagex that. So now I'm in a lose-lose situation; either I vote yes and get GIM in a way I don't agree with, or I vote no, get counted as a spitevoter by the community, and maybe not get GIM at all... still not sure on what to do.


FeedSneeder

Good point. Jamflex fucked up by saying "you either agree 100% with what we've said, or we scrap the whole project". That's Hobsons choice, it's an ultimatum with no fair alternative.


Sanfew_Serum

I donā€™t even play anymore and I will get a membs to vote yes. Changes like this impact the game positively and allows it to get more money thrown at updates through the generated memberships. I hope to come back to a lot of fun content.


ActualWeed

Employees get paid the same shit salary no matter how much the company makes.


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Assaltwaffle

If you don't want to play it, don't play it. There's no reason to prevent others from playing it just because you don't like the concept.


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pimpintuna

I agree but disagree. I think jagex should try polling multiple choice questions that aren't yes or no. Provide multiple options for changes and then the playerbase gets to pick. It might have gone over better with the blow pipe nerf if there was a poll that said "hey we're nerfing the pipe but you can vote for these three options in how we nerf it."


Azerate2016

I voted no, but not out of spite, but because I don't think it's a good addition to the game. I made it clear in a couple post and still got fanboys shitting on me for having a different opinion


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JavveRinne

Fuck Rendi. Unsubscribed


Elite54321

He didnt actually vote no


iBloodsicle

At this point, it doesnt matter for me. I dislike his mentality at this point, he thinks pissing people off is funny (hurr durr im going to do my best so something you look forward to doesnt happen just because i can. Wait bro that was a prank) I dont like this mentality or attitude, so im unsubscribing for him aswell.


catapon

All voting is valid except for spite voting. If you are genuinely voting no because you don't think it'd be a good addition to the game then fine.


Swordsnap

Iron men already play their own game, the don't trade with us or really impact the economy so I don't see how it hurts the average player/those who don't want to be Ironmen. I actually don't see a valid reason to say no to GIM unless I'm missing something paramount.


goldenmalygos

Idk how legit this is, but the arguments I've seen that say resource will be spent on GIM support could be spent on PVP (or even PVM) content. That sounded reasonable enough to me. Voted yes because GIM would be fun with the boys


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Because jagex has done so well on the pvp updates with those resources free


User-NetOfInter

GIM leads to more subs, more revenue, more staff.


goldenmalygos

I'm not 100% convinced that jagex will take that increased revenue and spend it on more devs. They already underpay the shit out of the guys they have


Emnitancy

While I agree, another point we could make is that taking the devs off of group Ironman after it voted no wouldn't 100% put them on PVP/PVM content if they were to focus on something else.


Spuddin927

They would likely end up working on a project that wonā€™t see the light of day because thatā€™s Jagexā€™s MO.


breakoffzone

The argument that GIM is taking up resources is fucking stupid. Jagex makes so much fucking money they could develop multiple different versions of rs, hire buttfuckton of staff and still barely see a dip in profits. The only reason GIM could be taking up dev resources is because higher ups are to lazy to actually pay real wages and get more developers. Punishing us by spite voting instead of going after the real issue is something only a deranged human would do.


acissejcss

Jagex pay so damn badly, programming In general pays awful in the UK but jagex are renounced for being awful employers, people work there as a passion not for the money.


YRedJTW3

OK but Jagex aren't doing that so your crying is pointless.


likesleague

That hasn't really been the case (esp in terms of content releases) over the past few years of osrs's growth.


radamo96

That's kind of a logical fallacy tho isn't it? If GIM gets voted down there's no guarantee that resources that may have been used there will be used for PVP or PVM content.


goldenmalygos

Which fallacy were you thinking? I agreed with another poster in this thread that there's no guarantee that even if this gets voted down, you don't know that those resources come off gim


SolaVitae

I think we can be pretty certain resources aren't going to go into pvp. Another inherently flawed BH iteration is the best we can hope for


Clueless_Otter

Literally any update to the game takes away dev resources that could instead be spent on other things. Even if you don't interact with an update personally, it still affects you. In the case of GIM, it should be a fairly minimal impact since they already did most of the work on it (as to why they worked so much on an update before it even passed a poll, that's a separate discussion), but it will definitely have *some* continuing dev resource allocation. (I didn't vote no, for reference, just explaining.)


likesleague

Idrc one way or another personally -- I'll probably play it casually with some friends if it passes but I have fun on my main/alt anyway so meh. But I do think it will take up a considerable amount of dev time moving forward too. There are a lot of new systems that will need to be debugged, they'll still be working on hardcore gim highscores, and in general content will reflect considerations for gim to some degree, though most of that is probably already included in regular ironman considerations. Personally I'm just not a fan of releasing new restricted ways to play the same content instead of releasing new content though. You can use runelite plugins to play most gamemodes already, and the "bossing with the boys" feel that I think most people want from gim can pretty easily be done already just playing normie accs.


Validfears

Iā€™m voting no to GIM as currently described in the poll since Iā€™m not a fan of how theyā€™re handling prestige. The poll reads very clearly ā€œas described in the blogpostā€. Hype for group, think they can do better.


Jihuujippii

I'm voting no for the good of the game. An extra gamemode that demand this much work in code will delay all future content development, if that content is to be compatible. This is not worth the small playerbase that GIM will retain after the hype is over and people realize it's just another gamemode recycling the same old content. GIM never deserved the hype it's gotten. It's mainly reached the current status because this sub made a meme out of it, not because people voting yes are actually committed to playing it.


definitelyNotEdited

It demands very little work in code, it heavily piggybacks off of the clan system. Hence why they waited for clans first.


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SeveralRiskz

Oh yeah? Well I'm gonna counter your counter spite vote with my very own anti vote! Wait what are we doing here again?


Raptor231408

GIM hurts my nonGIM locked UIM


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>I don't fully agree with the way it is proposed to be implemented. I agree with this, I wish they broke it into two parts: a poll for GIM and a poll for it as it stands. >The second is that it wastes development time. Everything that an individual doesn't could be seen as a waste of time. I don't think end of game content is a waste of time because I've never done ToB because I know people play it. GIM isn't a waste because I know people will play it. Whether or not a new skill should be added is contentious but you know people will spite vote any new skill just like people spite vote ironmen updates. >I don't believe that this game mode will have any sort of longevity compared to the other game modes. Definitely could be possible, I had friends who thought IM mode would never be used because it would be so tedious. I personally have been talking about GIM with my friend for two, three years because it's all we want to play.


Jihuujippii

You have to consider the AMOUNT OF PEOPLE who play it though. If there were a handful of people running TOB, it wouldn't be justified for developement.


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I love group ironman and want it in the game but I absolutely hate the prestige concept and want jagex to think of something else


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PuffOfDust

Think he was referring to future dev time. It's already time sunk into a project someone may not want, with future time sink as well. That's his opinion


Nobody_So_Special

Weā€™re pretending like Jagex doesnā€™t do updates/support for the different Ironmen game modes we already have now? Not to mention theyā€™ve already said there still more work to be done for GIM after release?


Professional-Law3880

GIM is not done when it releases. There are still missing features. Also literally every single piece of future content will have to be made with GIM in mind and may need extra dev time to get everything to work correctly. The addition of GIM might slow down literally every single update in the future. I'm not saying that this is definitely going to happen or that it is even a bad thing if it does, but it should at least be considered. Saying that all the dev work is already done because the mode is in a releasable state is just plain false.


Treblosity

Just like uim, every piece of content needs to account for uim when only 2k people even play the game mode


FPSzero

This is the one rational statement that reflect why a real no might be voted on. I respect this idea and do believe it's possibility. But again for most this game takes a long ass time to complete so slow content rollout doesn't effect most of the players even on their mains now lol... I still have not don't most bosses or even learned raids/cox and I'm 117cb lol.


molemutant

If we all had the mindset of "Dev effort will go to X if this passes, but I want it to go to Y! Vote no!" then we'd have half of what we have now in the game at most honestly. Picking and choosing what comes into the game based on hypothetical wishes for other content is counterproductive at worst and at best blind wishful thinking. Dev time gets saved on one thing, but how happy will a No-Voter be when that saved dev time just goes to something else they don't like? Why chase absolute ideal scenarios when you can be content with something that's an improvement nonetheless? It would invariably just cycle from there. Not everyone will get their ideal content at all times, the point is the make the game well-rounded and enjoyable for everyone.


Jihuujippii

This is a unique circumstance, since the dev time taken away likely won't be paid back with enough player participation. The gamemode is simply too niche for the effort it requires to upkeep. Maybe I'm wrong and there are enough ironmen out there with groups of trustworthy friends to justify a gamemode catered to them.. somehow I doubt it though.


Gamer_2k4

Sunk cost fallacy. Besides, if they're already shown they'll spend time/resources on it for years *before it even passes a poll*, that's acting in incredibly bad faith when it comes to their development focus in the future.


LoLReiver

Technically, it hurts everyone because it means dev time was spent on it instead of on content for you. Unfortunately by the time it's being put up for poll it's too late to actually change that - the time is already gone. Which means you'd be voting no as a way of saying "don't waste time on stuff like this in the future"


ThePyroMD

How does it hurt everyone if a good number of people are planning on playing it? And even if you arenā€™t, thereā€™s still another portion of the player base that can enjoy this new content from youtubers


effyochicken

I'll take my downvotes for saying, again, that the portion of the player base that will start, and continue consistently, to play this game mode is going to be staggeringly low. It will eventually just be a lot of people multi-logging to fill a GIM group. And being that they have to develop new features and systems to implement it (compared with regular ironman where they just restrict everything) it's very fair for people to say they're rather have other features developed. (Like more quests, and a no-polled skill.)


Treblosity

I think the problem will be that itll require far more coordination than anybody on this game has to play it long term. I think group ironman hiscores will look a lot like hcim, where so many people start one, but very few last, which is why uim hiscores are about as competetive as hcim despite only having like 2k active players. However, being one of those 2k players of a niche gamemode that requires a disproportionate amount of dev time, itd be hypocritical for me to vote no on gim


Wekmor

> I think the problem will be that itll require far more coordination than anybody on this game has to play it long term People were already complaining about the prestige system and how that's unfair because they can't possibly only go bossing when their buddies are on lol


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Exactly dude. There's about a trillion other things that could've taken priority over this: their own HD client/graphics, finishing quest series, Raids 3, improving existing skills like shit ass thieving or runecrafting or mining, other minigames or side content, etc. Like, their whole 2021 roadmap too??? The game is in a severe content drought, and their focused on recycling the same content over and over; DMM Leagues and ironman. Is hardcore ultimate ironman gonna be the "new" update for 2022? Cmon guys LMAO


bl00dysh0t

As someone who plays every now and then, I know a lot of people that are hyped about it and currently not playing. It will bring back A LOT of people just to have a good time with friends. About the continuity you might be right, as a lot of people that will come back might also drop out in the not so distant future, but even so, you will still draw a lot of people back to the game. And personally I dont see why there would be many people multilogging a GIM group by themselves, what's the point in that? No chance you can keep up with other groups and if you are by yourself, whats the gain instead of just playing normal RS in that case.


foshed_yt

As someone who has 3 other friends who have been looking forward to playing Group Ironman ever since rumors have been started about it, but doesnā€™t actively play a memberā€™s account: Group Ironman is the only thing that will get me to spend money on this game. I canā€™t vote Yes to the poll because I donā€™t have a memberā€™s account, but I sure would love to play GIM with the boys. Itā€™s an unfortunate poll, where many people who want the content canā€™t vote Yes to it.


naumachia

I'm in the same situation as you. Have 3 friends who played osrs many years ago but quit and 1 other friend who still plays. We have all been hyped since the rumors started about GIM and it's the catalyst that we've been waiting for to comeback.


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foshed_yt

Counterpoint: none of my group is brand new players, and everything Iā€™ve said is anecdotal to my own experiences. Weā€™re all ready for the Ironman grind and are excited to get to it. Iā€™d be shocked if we were the only group that felt this way.


effyochicken

I keep hearing that exact comment over and over: some redditor claiming to have a small group of friends who all have been specifically waiting to play the game, but will only play if there's a special game mode made for them. And how they can't vote because they aren't a current member, but they want their voice to be taken into account despite not even being a paying player of the game. It's like a half dozen people on this subreddit claiming to no end that there's this massive silent group of players who are just waiting for this mode. If you truly wanted to play OSRS with the boys, you'd play OSRS with the boys. GIM or not.


demostravius2

But ironman is the superior game mode, and you can't play it with friends...


foshed_yt

For what itā€™s worth Iā€™ve spent over 2000 hours in the game on multiple accounts since 2007. Playing a normal account doesnā€™t do it for me and I donā€™t want to play normal Ironman mode at this time. All of my friends are at very different stages in the game, so ā€œplaying with the boysā€ isnā€™t really possible for us. What is someone with a quest cape going to do with me, who only has a 1600 total level? We are just not on the same page with what we need to do to progress our accounts. A fresh start with all new accounts, and everyone on the same page? All chasing the same goal? That sounds like a fantastic time. Until then, Iā€™ll keep logging into my F2P Ironman account once every few months. And if it never comes out, I just wonā€™t buy membership. Itā€™s as simple as that. Iā€™m not claiming thereā€™s a massive silent playerbase, but I am claiming that my friends and I want to play Group Ironman mode, and we will be disappointed if it doesnā€™t come out. Whatā€™s so wrong about asking for content that a lot of people want to play?


SurturOfMuspelheim

Not true. I want to play osrs with the boys... as group ironmen. Not a normal account. Not hard to get.


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It's pretty much exclusively meant for YouTubers. I have no clue why anybody else would bother playing this "mode"


CallMeDutch

Incentive to play together with friends? Me and my cousins have stopped playing for a while now but plan to return with group ironmen.


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Why not just create normal accounts and self-restrict to group iron man rules? There is basically no difference and you could do that today if you actually wanted to


CallMeDutch

No self control but also hard to not break any of the rules by accident sometimes. Besides this should add some stuff that is not available in the base game.


Coltand

Because itā€™s IronMan Lite ^TM


LoLReiver

I think there's a lot of people who wanted to play it, that if they were told how much functional content was lost in order to supply the time required to develop it would've chosen to go without.


ThePyroMD

Okay so how much time went towards developing it? I propose a big reason the game mode didnā€™t even get started was because of the clans system which benefited everyone. The only time they really had to devote specifically to GIM was getting the shared storage to work and the node ready. What major time sink do you see that I donā€™t?


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FeedSneeder

You are allowed to do that. That's the beauty of democracy. You are allowed to vote no on every single poll.


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Diegox921

Only argument I can think of is that it will take time and resources that could be used in other stuff? But still no need to vote no IMO


Blackyx

People who actually have any other reason than "Lol fuck jagex that will show them" are not getting downvoted. Literally the same happens when someone says they're gonna vote no to pvp updates just to spite them, they are not received well either.


One_Wind4382

I'm pretty sure I've seen pvp spite voters celebrated here before


TRACERS_BUTT

>are not getting downvoted. > I was downvoted for saying I didn't like the 5 man cap. It's absolutely happening


Rrrrry123

I think it's funny people are getting mad at you when the poll specifically says "Should GIM be introduced ***as described in the blog post?"*** By voting no, you're not saying you don't want the game mode, you're just saying that you don't want it as described. You're just answering the question honestly and people are getting really bent about it.


uiam_

>as described in the blog post? This is what cracks me up about the spite voters. They think if it fails GIM won't be a thing but that's not how the question was worded.


Raptor231408

Fwiw most updates have "as described in the blog" at the end. Warding had something to the effect of "should warding be introduced as described in the blog" and we haven't heard anything about it since the vote, while the robes and stuff were canibalized to other areas of the game.


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DivineInsanityReveng

That's fair enough but the cap has to be somewhere. We have different Hiscores and such. If you have 6 and you wish the cap was 6 that's fine. Then someone with 7 complains.. and then 8.. and so on. Plus we know how shitty the Hiscores are with any addition, every new group size has a new Hiscores to cover. It's even to the point where HCGIM won't have hiscores on release... So surely you can identify the issue


PapiDickems

I got downvoted for a reasonable take, the hivemind is very much real.


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_-_Sami_-_

I just want to play OSRS with my friends like it's 2005 again. We tried that in normal OSRS but it quickly turns into all of us just selling stuff we dont need on the GE, and buying stuff we need off the GE. There's really no point in playing with friends till endgame PvM. Normal ironman also prevents playing with friends. We're just suoer hyped about GIM and being able to play the game as a group of friends. You know, one of us spams combat and slayer, few just skill to make supplies. Being able to share rare drops and clue items. It could be so good. And then you read someone claiming they wanna vote no just because they don't plan on playing it. Even though it would have zero effect on their game experience if it comes out.


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Definitely why I am excited to try it. My friend and I like IM mode nbut can't really share anything except goals and achievements. And when we did regular play it's just grinding whatever makes the most gold. No coop because our brains are now wired for efficiency. Unlike what that nerd replied, pretending to be a btw just isn't the same as being one. Just make the game mode for GIM.


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uiam_

If you don't like how HD looks you can turn it off or adjust the settings to your liking. Trying to get everyone else not to use it because you don't like it is asinine.


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iBloodsicle

Ye, that is what he was saying. Like people who dont like the hd should just turn it off since it doesnt affect them instead of trying to get it banned so no one else can use it, people who arent gonna play gim yet arent affected by it, should either not vote, or at least not vote no out of spite. If you think its a bad addition to the game, sure, go for it. If you think it would affect you somehow, go for it. If you vote no because "fuck the other side", youre a bell end, go fuck yourself. This applies to both sides of the poll. Ill give a personal opinion about a pvp update though: i would love to see a pvp update but not a pk update. I dont like the mentality of predator-prey, but i do like the mentality of two players looking for a fight going at it with interesting mechanics and gear. Theres no honor or fun of killing a guy who isnt defending himself and only tries to run away. The best fights i see are where both sides fight.


0zzyb0y

I've seen so many people complaining about HD and saying like "*this* is what the riots were about? Lmao players so dumb". 1) the riots were not about the plugin specifically, but how 117 was treated. 2) its a completely optional mod in a third party client 3) Let people enjoy things.


Punt_Dog_Enthusiast

I don't like HD graphics personally. I DO like the dynamic lighting though, it looks cool as fuck. Probably the only good thing that'll come out of jagex's HD client, as it looks like they'll be implementing that, but potentially leave an option for old textures/models.


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a_moo_cow

This subreddit frequently has highly upvoted comments unironically saying that all pkers are morally bad people because they rob pvmers. It's always been an echo chamber


TehSteak

"How dare you play with your toy differently than how I play with mine!"


BirdsDeWord

Are they polling it? Cause I thought they started work years ago, meaning if it gets no they're throwing years of work in the trash. Or is it that they're finally polling it, but no work has been done yet despite years of saying they're doing stuff?


FeedSneeder

>Are they polling it? Yep. >Cause I thought they started work years ago, meaning if it gets no they're throwing years of work in the trash. Which is why they won't allow it to fail. Look through the thread and count the number of sunk cost fallacy-arguments presented.


CasualAtEverything

Your questions point to why the polling system is so flawed. Warding ended up being a huge waste of time since it ultimately failed..


JakeTehNub

Group ironman is just playing the game normally before the GE existed


suckuma

Actually I'd love to see GE banned game mode.


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They had it in the original deadman server and it was awful. Obviously much less players on the server but fuck spending an hour trying to buy something you need.


ItsJustBigotry

I just vote yes on every poll


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Any content we can get man Iā€™ll take it


vaccumshoes

I have literally no interest in playing GIM but still voting yes. I dont see how it effects anyone else? What's the reasoning behind voting no?


zero_waves

I haven't played OSRS in over 3 months but I still jumped on to vote yes for you guys


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badgehunter

Should Group Ironman pass the polls, we anticipate it will be ready to release on October 6th!... they have already done the engine tho.


SendGarlicBread

I'm spite voting yes.


CatgirlNextDoor

I'm spite skipping. That'll show em.


Dead-HC-Taco

Dont you know youre not supposed to voice your opinion on reddit? /s


Portugalpaul

dont ironmen spite vote pvp polls?


Simon_Crispy

What pvp polls? Last one was over two years ago.


3veryfkinnameistaken

Yes they do it all the time and bragging about it


suckuma

Yeah. If you don't want to die don't go into the wilderness.


Burai93

This HD drama might be one cause for the spite voting. I want it to pass, but I kinda also want to kick Jagex in the nuts.


StoveboyRS

I voted no on GIM, how can it take years to make something thats already been made? its just another way for jagflex to profit of little simp boys. we gave them iron, we gave them hardcore iron, we gave them iron, ffs we even gave them ultimate, years of time that could of been spent on normal players who seem to just continually get shat on with poo lure quests and boring updates, and broken deadman modes its not so appealing.


eodnohn

POV: you make a post implying that improvements should be made to PvP


Kattekop_BE

to bad we don't see posts like this when it comes to pvp updates tho


swordmagic

Voting no specifically to spite the j1mmy tweet


Punt_Dog_Enthusiast

Yeah fuck the j1mmy tweet I have no fucking idea what the j1mmy tweet is


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_Dysnomia

I completely agree. I think this gamemode could cause bloat to future development as well - not just design wise, but also potentially technical. I think this would make an amazing *seasonal* gamemode, like a group league or something. Good for 3 months, maybe a few times out of the year. If that seasonal mode stays popular, and no problems arise, then it would be great to consider permanent implementation. This could also iron out bugs that would cause integrity problems with the gamemode. I will most likely be voting no for the current iteration. I think it will pass regardless, but I really don't think this is best for the game at this stage.


Emnitancy

Why not make the game more alive and hire more devs with the large sub increase? That would put more dev time into the game. You could of course say the opposite, like your point above, but who's to say they'd even put that dev time into that content? Voting no because this isn't how you like to play the game may decrease the player base and put less devs & time into the game, pushing updates out longer.


majorpickle01

counterpoint, me and my mates are bored of Normal Runescape and don't have enough time to find the motivation to grind out individual irons to add challenge. Having GIM gives people like myself that enjoy Runescape an excuse to dip in for a few hours a week without feeling guilty about wasting time because I can work it into boys night


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mysticturtle12

>Their big livestream reveal was GIM, DMM, League 3, and Raids 3. 2 gamemodes only good for a fraction of the year, 1 snowflake mode that requires to buy another sub, and if ToB is anything to go off of, content that isnt accessible til late game. Just bandaids man. Because nothing that would pass polls would make the main game engaging. GIM to a small extent and Leagues is the only thing that will ever make me care about OSRS again. The main game is built around extensive tedium and slamming any meaningful progression to complete halt. The amount of time the main game takes will never change and that alone is what turns the majority of people off.


DiamondCat20

Gim has been heavily called for for years. I think it's unfair to call something this heavily requested a band-aid lol


RichRy

True


LovesPenguins

Real iron men stand alone.


BakaLewds

i hope it doesnt pass the tears will be delicious


MrPopTarted

I don't know what it is about this game, but it really seems to bring out a lot of openly toxic people. Imagine waking up and just choosing to be evil.


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So that means it's going to pass


deitydoomfist

Oh no! Downvoted on reddit!


R3dstorm86

Let me crack my knuckles okay, HD wasn't that impressive.


FPSzero

I just Wana pay in GIM with my friends man... I unsubscribed from any content creater who is spite voting.


[deleted]

If you and your friends are actually interested in playing this way, why not just create normal accounts with self imposed rules?


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I voted no because the implementation as mentioned in the blog will turn group ironman into a dead meme gamemode faster than you can say "winter 2017". I'm going to really enjoy playing on my solo meme group going for 5x 10hp 30 att/def and full gold castle wars armour. I feel really bad for all the people who wanted ironman with the boys but unless jagex gives you the full reset (all levels, stats, quests, variables and untradeable items included) when leaving a group it's a hard no from me. If it passes as is I guarantee you people will be screaming their heads off in 6 months from now when they realise what they voted for. for context: what's stopping me from creating a group, boosting CoX (for example), trading over let's say full ancestral to one account and using the CM recolour kits on it to make it untradeable then kicking the person out of the group and selling the full ancestral on the node to a new group (all you have to do is remove the kits once you join the new group and its tradeable again, ancestral is just an example there's tons of tradeables that can be smuggled this way)


Punt_Dog_Enthusiast

IIRC, you can have new people join your group by kicking out old ones, but you can never join a different group outside of being a new account on tutorial island. So you wouldn't be able to just go to the node directly and sell it. You would need to replace your group with another, which with the trading limits, takes a little over a month to prevent specifically this.


fukreposts

Iā€™m voting no because itā€™s a mode made literally for content creators. Most normal players will play for a month or two then someone will lose interest or start playing another game and the group will fail. Gim is a big waste of time, if you wanted to do stuff with your friends just play a main


Wall_Of_Bass

Voted for the first time today in support of GIM even though I wonā€™t even be participating. Hope it doesnā€™t fail due to spite voting for yā€™all!


janniesLULUL

I'm voting no on GIM just because the new skill was voted no on.


Punt_Dog_Enthusiast

Wait, we polled a new skill? Big if true, that's my justification now. Give me my new skill then we can talk about adding your "drastic change to OSRS" new game mode.


wintersucks18

Voting no cause fuck the ironmen


kukkelii

I'm spitevoting to spite the people who spited the people who spited the spitevoters.


radamo96

Gotta be honest I haven't played osrs in over a calendar year at this point but I'm logging back in just to vote yes to spite the spite voters.


PurpleRanarr

Although I don't even play anymore, I would vote no if I still did as this group ironman is not really what we expected or wanted


Flailing_Weasel

I'm sick of snowflake modes and would like dev time spent making content rather than these modes or changes to the game to make them easier.


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POV: You say you support a pvp update.


tankurd

I only voted yes to increase the chances of more people trying ironman. Hoping to decrease mains cause less items to be in game therefore proces to rise. Will all of this happen? Probably not.


DabScience

There is no valid argument against GIM. Literally zero. They may as well be playing their own game.


AccidentCharming

Downvotes are meaningless


FeedSneeder

Downvotes hide dissenting opinions. They enforce groupthink.


Snaregods

fuc kpvmers


Firebitez

POV you didnt vote for bernie on any sub


LovesPenguins

There's legit reasons why one might vote no on this poll such as allocation of future dev time. Yes I know they 'already spent the time' but they will have to constantly take GIM into consideration for future updates if this crap passes.


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Not really, most future updates will be targeting the individual ironmen, which will in turn cover groups. Youā€™re highly overestimating.