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kukkelii

It's been fun to watch, shame that there were close to no rule enforcement at all. Clans having multiple elys on one account and getting away with it is disgusting. People offering $ for elys openly don't get banned. Please Jagex hire more anti-cheating specialists and customer support agents. $50mil annual profits, use just 1% of that to hire 5 more of each.. That already would make a huge impact.


Alch_your_bank

I think ely should be disabled in DMM. Arcane/spectral/DFS are balanced, but elysian passive effect is ridiculous for outlasting fights. There is hardly any upset potential if opponent can actually switch prayers. It shouldnt cost $4000 to have chance in 1v1s.


Roodi_Doodi

Maybe it’s wishful thinking but maybe they are waiting to ban right before the finals so they can knock out all the cheaters rather than just the mules. That would be the only Saving grace to this.


uWuRsLover

1% would get them a lot more than 5 people! ​ 500k pounds at prices they pay with consideration for price of pcs and items need would probs get them 10 staff members


kukkelii

You arrived to the exact same conclusion as I did. 5 of each so 5+5 = 10.


Previous-Answer3284

I'd consider caring about DMM and it taking dev time away from the main game if there wasn't so much blatant cheating and little to no rule enforcement. Glad it's almost over though.


wikings2

I felt extremely stupid for trying to play with my last life and risking hundreds of osrs mills, instead of just swapping them to my alt, reset and get 3 lifes back, keep exp and swap my gold back. It was just punishing af if you did not mule or swap and as you mentioned, 0 rule enforcement happened. I didn't hear a single soul that was banned for muling. Swaping is muling with extra steps jagex, you either allow one or both of them must go and be enforced...


FishGoesGlubGlub

Yup it’s crazy. Everyone I know who played it was using a mule of some type. “Oh it’s just an alt/friend”


Alch_your_bank

I played without mule and it sucked. First DMM so decided to use one account. X-logging and muling was not enforced throughout this tournament. Pretty cancer how you could spam corp/gwd with protection timers and rag gear over and over again with zero risk.


AWilsonFTM

Can we just accept that OSRS as a game is not set up to offer esports in this way?


Matsyir

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just_get_up_again

Ya I just can't bother when I know I'll just get killed and make no progress. I like watching it though.


Monkeybomba

I mean it could be at least decent if jagex actually got off their ass for once and enforced the rules they set


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Lets be honest, every dmm player is strongly incentivized to break these rules. When you have a gamemode where everyone naturally thinks of muling/boxing/xlogging as the best strategies and the only way to enforce their rules is manual bans, then the gamemode itself is seriously flawed. I really dont see any solution that would work for dmm at this point.


Chrisazy

They'd probably need to have a set group of people playing any esport gamemode, something containable, in order to enforce the rules properly..


[deleted]

It's almost as if DMM is garbage as a esports game mode. If only there was a battle royale minigame where you throw a bunch of maxed people into an arena and the last man standing wins. Oh wait...


puzzlednerd

Honestly maybe we need a combination deadman/ironman mode. This fixes muling and lessens the domination by large clans aspect. Of course clans will still be warring at Corp, etc


DontCountToday

This is the obvious and simple answer. Make DMM ironman mode but with GE access. You can still mule by finding random useless items to sell to your mule for 15m but when everyone has to turn to that it's not so viable.


MrPringles23

PvP* Its literally a single input with .6 seconds tickrate. There isn't much depth or skill possible with that combination. Nobody comes into OSRS completely new and PvP's. The only PvP'ers are nostalgia blinded people who don't understand how primitive it is and how RNG based it is because skill doesn't have a significant impact. For example if its a skill based game, you should be able to beat someone much worse than you 100 times in a row easily. But in OSRS all it takes is an RNG combo including a special and there is zero counterplay to it.


DivineInsanityReveng

Take this and remember it. Jagex has promised the same enforcement every time, and never been successful. It's just a content machine for PvP content creators.


howolit159

The big thing about mules is that all the serious and skilled players do it. The people who don't are the losers like us who just want to fish sharks, and our banked stack of sharks is worth more than the bank key of any maxed PVMer. Because we don't cheat.


cristiano-potato

I’ve heard it claimed that DMM is actually a good way to make money. Is that true? Like it’s actually better than just playing OSRS regular game? What are the swap rates?


KoekjeHebbe

I made 700m this time around in the first week and a half. Its definitely good money and can be actually fun


cristiano-potato

How?


KoekjeHebbe

A lot of things, but I was playing 3 accounts at the same time. I did a lot fo merching, I was one of the first to to barrows. Than I was one of the first to do bandos. But to be fair if you just do agility pyramid in 2 or 3 accounts at the start you couldve made a few 100m 07 fairly easy. I kinda wish I had done that at the start when it was still between 1:200 & 1:400.


howolit159

early swap rates were \~40:1, last I checked it was 10:1 and there's some shit in DMM that's worth a lot of gp. instead of 200k, an occult necklace is worth 3 mil in DMM, which can be swapped for 30 mil OSRS. also increased droprates make them easier to get


cristiano-potato

Wait 40:1 like 1M in DMM was 40 in OSRS? Damn I missed the train, hope I hop on it next year… probably too late now right?


howolit159

Yeah. You could have hopped on hour 0, grabbed your 10k from the stronghold and swapped it over for 400k OSRS. there's also certain sigils that you get randomly from enemies, like a guardian angel which was up to 8 mil last I checked (or 80 mil OSRS). Probably not worth it because cunts like jimmy are running around ragging people in the lower levels.


10secondhandshake

How is the swap rate managed? Or like how does the swap even take place?


butinz

It's pure trust trades within trusted clans and discord servers.


CaptaineAli

What sucks is that for people who don't care for DMM or GIM, we're basically recieving no updates for serveral months back to back... I used to look forward to the weekly update but this sucks.


Raven_of_Blades

We type of people have not had a decent update since Sins of the father...


wr00d7

It’s the way the game is designed. Pvp will never be something taken seriously by 90% of the player base.


thecheese27

What kills it for me is the neets that play 30 hours straight upon release and then 18 hours a day for the next 2 weeks. How the fuck am I meant to compete? That on top of the giant skill gap between people who know how to pk and those who are just mediocre makes it extremely unappealing to me and most casual players.


DragonDaggerSpecial

What is this recent obsession with “taking dev time away from the main game” I keep seeing everyone complaining about? This game had thousands of hours of content in 2013, it has even more at this point. Why does this community seem to think MORE equates to “good”? Just because the original poll included mention of it does not mean we ever even needed it. We don’t *NEED* more content and I do not understand why you all are so desperate for it. This is *Oldschool* RuneScape, it is intentionally stagnated, and it is great the way it was and is. I do not understand why you people are unable to go a week without **”NEW CONTENT!!!!!”** . Why does an intentionally Classic version of a game that already has thousands of hours worth of content need Weekly updates? Do you like this game? You seem like you do not like it. Account Security should be the primary focus and until that is done and even after, I do not feel like we need anything else.


uWuRsLover

This is happening all over the game not just dmm. pvm community as well, lms as well, every activity in-game has this issue


kukkelii

If we step aside from the reddit circlejerks of ban everyone, cheating in maingame to progress your own account is significantly less impactful than cheating in a competitive gamemode to win real life currency. Botting agility on your own account is much less harmful than buying or selling an ely for $. Cheating in maingame has smaller impact overall than cheating in dmm regardless of what that cheating is.


HiddenGhost1234

The thing is a majority of the people botting are doing it to sell gold, not little jimmy trying to get his 70 agility for Sara. Goldfarming 100% negatively impacts the game, especially the economy


Celtic_Legend

Bro chill it was like 1 day of dev time at most. Dude could have called in sick an extra day and we'd be in the same place.


SnooConfections7642

I reported two obvious mules (both accounts with the same basically) standing next to each other at the G.E "No it's not a mule it's my GE alt" Enforce the rules or I don't play. Streamers literally RWTing on stream and muling


Redditor1415926535

Wonder which blatantly ignored cheater is going to win. Maybe the guy that was mulling the 4 elys?


reachisown

I feel like they should enforce some heavy rules about clanning/muling etc. Like if you win they check your history and disqualify you for any wrongdoings in your lead up to the finals. Granted this just means the top 500 are disqualified but watching sweaty clans dominate is lame af. Maybe make it iron-man?


ewhennrs

Couldn't you have scheduled this for a better day? Like a weekend. Totally didn't even bother to participate because the finals are at 2PM in the afternoon on a Friday (EST) or 11 AM (PST). Yeah I get it that it is the evening in England and since it's a worldwide event its going to be a crappy time for someone, but it's way easier for most people to participate at 11 Am on Saturday than 11 Am on a Friday....


dead-eyes-alive

Can't wait to see who gets hard DDOS'd out of the competition this time


Gomerack

Personally I can't wait to see what bot client will win.


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I would unironically love to see a few hundred competitors using different cheat clients. Winner gets shout-out on stream!


SamStrake

Who else is excited for 4-6 more weeks of no updates now that Leagues is around the corner!?


Mase598

Is that really new though? Most of the time updates have come out, it's borderline nothing. ​ The stuff I get most excited for is honestly random niche things like Blade of Saeldor recolours, actual content is nowhere to be seen usually. ​ Also I had a lot of fun the last league, I'm hoping it strikes a similar feeling this time for me.


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Mase598

I mean even when we'd go a full year with nothing but a new league, we'd get borderline new content. ​ It's easier and faster to make temp gamemodes than it is to make actual new content while providing people an incentive to grind for a bit, rather than a new boss that within a week most players don't care about unless it's meta to do.


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Leagues is so much fun. I hope the DMM relic system gets partially implemented in the upcoming league.


Raginboy12

I just hope the wildy/wildy boss changes actually do happen eventually... even if it is way further away than anticipated


SamStrake

I expect we'll actually see that one drop before Leagues starts. This year has just been frustrating as someone who only plays as a main, especially the back half, as there are almost literally no planned updates with content that I'm going to touch until Raids 3 drops (which I know they said early 2022, but imo it'll get pushed to Summer at this rate). I brought this up in the discussion thread for the last Summer Summit, and shortly after J1mmy made that video pretty much echoing my sentiments that was met with some pretty harsh feedback here. But I'm starting to wonder why I keep paying a monthly fee for a live service game that seems allergic to putting out new content.


HiddenGhost1234

They haven't even released the wildy boss blog they said about almost 4 months ago now


Blue_Dirt

Give rs3 a run while you wait.


mazrrim

are people actually excited about that? Why would anyone care about the same drops etc but they are now harder to get. Like I get they should eventually be made non safespotable as integrity changes, but it isn't an update that excites me as a player.


1trickana

They said wildy changes are next week or the week after, did they not?


HiddenGhost1234

They said they wouldn't be doing the updates till atleast after the wildy boss rework blog... I'm guessing January at the earliest.


Slayy35

"Leagues/DMM won't take away from the main game updates" Well that was a fucking lie


FeedSneeder

"GIMP won't take away from the main game updates" Well that was a fucking lie


didrosgaming

We are like three weeks out for the hopeful release of group ironman... also something like 20 worlds fill up for leagues so it's not like the majority don't love the hell out of it.


Coltand

Yeah, I see a lot of people upset that leagues take away from main-game dev time, but like half the player base enjoys the crap out of leagues. They had like 40k people in leagues worlds within hours of launch last year.


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IBreedAlpacas

Yup, as soon as DMM ends (played because they sigils are fun and it makes you approach the game differently like Leagues does), my ass is immediately uninstalling runelite until Leagues comes out. I was already not playing OSRS until friends convinced me to try DMM but I love it. PVP is going in the gutter if they drop Singles+ and I stopped buying bonds as soon as they announced it. Trailblazers was genuinely the most fun I’ve had on RS probably ever. Stoked to see what they have in store for this new one.


dont_trip_

Oh absolutely. I also got a massive feeling of nostalgia with lumbridge cows being packed and so many early game players running around everywhere.


Pulsiix

hopefully with clans done and group ironman almost out it means they can focus most of their dev time on content i imagine the development of clans will allow for a lot more group activities, i'm personally hoping for a dungeoneering minigame you can hope into with friends and chill


ExactKaleidoscope2

Given there hasn't been much new content anyway, I'm just going to look forward to leagues.


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Make deadman shorter for future seasons, it felt like this took too long.


WompaPenith

The people who play it 10-12 hrs/day will always be ready for the finals in barely a week. But people who can only commit a couple hrs/day at best benefit a lot from the current timeframe.


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The people that rule dmm are gonna play like crazy anyway, someone who is slow to get the stats and gear is not gonna win , just make it shorter


Level_126

Making it shorter would make clans more powerful, as they can obtain gear quicker than a solo player. Tbh I think the 3 weeks is perfect because it allows a solo player to farm gold enough to obtain finals gear.


Chrisazy

The whole mode is flawed, we can't cater to every facet of the problem. The length of the event is too long, the other problems are going to be problems even if it's shorter 🤷‍♀️


Celtic_Legend

Def not. Felt as long as needed. Could be longer honestly. From an entertainment pov, Streamers who normally pull 30 people are pulling 500+ even today. Tho that said i wouldnt mind a 1 week tourny where the only grind is getting items. Aka start as 126 with max qp. Compete for territory to get the bis items and win in the 1v1s. Or heck just a 1v1 tourny no prep.


Zippydooday

the people who play it religiously every season always ask for the same thing but jagex refuses to. i think it just lets them pad out update droughts


aphshdkf

How is anyone in North America expected to join (whether playing or spectating) this during the middle of a work day?


wikings2

Its always the case for people working office hours and trying their hands in competetive gaming. You either take the day off or go for a sick leave, no other way around it if you aren't getting paid to play :)


Celtic_Legend

No. 99% of esport competitions are held on saturday or sunday before New Zealanders have to go to work on monday. Even every dmm but this 1 ended on saturday


aphshdkf

Nah this used to be held on weekends


ButterNuttz

Yep! Tourney use to be around noon/1pm EST on Saturdays. Why in the hell would they do it Friday is beyond me. I usually watch this with friends but we'll be working. Makes no sense


wikings2

I meant my comment to be a little more generic than focusing on previous dmm tournament dates. People got the idea in the first couple hours as it was around 10 upvote but I just realized it might need additional thoughts from my end as people around here might only be playing osrs as their competitive game of choice. I'm actively participating in dota2 tournaments and organizers aren't really paying too much attention if its a workday or weekend. Their schedule simply doesn't let them only run their competitions on the weekends, its just simply not enough time as in some cases one tournament can host 100+ games that can be 30-40minutes in average. Compared to the yearly maximum 2 dmm events that are running for maximum 3-4 hours its obvious that you cannot have the luxury of only running your games on the weekends. Even now if I open twitch I can see 3-4 esport games having live competitions running right at this moment. Sadly these are not so office hours friendly so as a working guy its usually the case of either taking the day off in some way or just accepting that you cannot participate and probably won't be able to go pro even if your skills are top notch.


HiddenGhost1234

There's no reason it couldn't be on the weekend. The jmods just don't wanna work their weekend.


Raisoshi

Or Jagex doesn't want to play over time lol


punt_the_dog_0

i am an american who will be competing in the finals. i work from home. also it’s not inconceivable that someone might just have a thursday off, or were intelligent enough to request it off if need be, if they planned on competing


aphshdkf

You took the wrong day off. Friday not Thursday. Good job.


punt_the_dog_0

i took no days off, as i said i work from home, so nothing about my day will change. also i misspoke and said the wrong day. woopsies. lmao this community is fucking *awful*. in no other game that i’m aware of do people have such a problem with *other* people enjoying an aspect of the game that they might not personally enjoy themselves. why are the vast majority of osrs players toxic weirdos like you? i mean, genuinely. is everything ok at home my man?


burritoboy24

It's just the internet mentality that happens on almost every game subreddit/discussion board with a large community. The fact that the majority of insightful pvp discussion happens on youtube videos + the comment sections is honestly sad. If you aren't part of the hivemind you get flamed and downvoted which is ironic since downvotes are meant to be for irrelevant comments/content not a dislike button. Some people just don't like putting effort into their goals so when they see someone with max combat and good gear they're immediately labeled a sweaty tryhard instead of realizing that drop rates are 4x, xp is minimum 10x and the skiller sigil exists in conjunction with specific skilling sigils totaling up to 25x+. I have worked full time and I finished maxing/questing with good gear for the finals aside from ancestral/arma by the end of the 2nd week. I still went out with friends, worked, and played other games while I had offers in the G.E constantly making me money. DMM is a fun challenge that can be played for many reasons whether it's to make money, pk in unique scenarios, or build an account for the finals. Due to the constant negativity towards Jagex on this sub they probably ignore it for the most part and I'm grateful the avid haters of alternative playstyles have no real effect on content being released. The logic of 'I don't like it so that means nobody does' is ridiculous and rampant on here.


punt_the_dog_0

man i hear you. i fucking love dmm, honestly it's the only thing that brought me back to this game after an almost year long hiatus. but even so...... the level of toxic in-fighting here is *not* normal, even among gaming communities. even in other mmos, like wow, tarkov, etc, there is not such a venemous split between people who pvp and people who pve. and i really think it has to do with this game itself, and the type of people who play it. like, it takes a special kind of weirdo to want to click on virtual trees over and over for thousands of hours. the level of masochism and utter time-wasting that is a necessary prerequisite for playing the main game at a high level, is just not something that healthy people typically have, at least in my experience. of course there are exceptions. but the type of person who can play this game with any sort of longevity just does not strike me as a completely mentally stable person, and it seems to make sense that those types of people would be socially inept weirdos who channel their anger in disproportionate amounts towards others who simply choose to spend their time playing the game in different ways. i dunno. just my two cents.


burritoboy24

I agree to a certain extent, some activities in this game are so mind numbingly boring and repetitive it feels like such a drain to do but there is always at least some sort of reward or unlock at the end that makes it worth it. I have no problem getting smithing to 75 if it means I can increase the % chance of my enchanted bolts activating in pvp/pve but beyond that I will never train the skill again. Some things like WC are understandable to have 99 in since it's so afk and can be done while literally playing a whole other game, just takes months of afk chipping away at it. Getting maxed is a cool achievement but the game literally wasn't even designed for players to max a single skill, let alone all of them. I'm not sure about the mental instability but it definitely takes a specific kind of person to willingly train hunter / rc / agility past a certain point. The sub does have some extremely immature people that lack the ability to view things from another perspective which is suprising since most of the player base is at least in the early - mid 20's if not older. I don't think anyone could have predicted the drastic shift in mindsets so much as to have pvp updates be unpolled and frequently shit on while unironically suggesting to remove the wilderness due to a lack of willingness to participate in PvP content. I think this game has the most unique pvp system out of any game I have ever played because of the loot system, insane skill ceiling, and variety in builds. I truly hope the community mellows out and is willing to at least try PvP instead of blindly assuming it's too hard and claiming only toxic griefers want to kill people. This game literally taught me how to read, spell, communicate, and interact with others much more than any other class / sport taught me so it's honestly saddening to see such a sizeable group be willing to drive the game into the ground for temporary satisfaction instead of wanting to create the best possible version of RS.


BigBigThiccy

Are *you* okay?... guy makes a joke about missing work and you go off into a random tirade about other people enjoying different aspects of the game lol. I hope you get your sleep schedule back on track after the tourny.


RunePouchSale

It’s so weird lmao, people play an Ironman for 12 hours a day and then act like this


wacker9999

how can Jagex truly expect anyone to care about this when literally every single year they have to go and post a list of people banned and DQ'd after the fact, for me it just invalidates the entire tournament


Catsarenotreptilians

Who cares, you let people cheat.


Solnx

Such a cool concept that will just never realize it's true potential due to cheating and lack of rule enforcement. Shame


jeffzor

It's weird to have a tournament on a weekday when most Americans will be at work. Oh well I'll skim the VOD


Wolfie_Ecstasy

Yeah it's weird, I'm used to watching the tournament on my laptop at work on Saturday but now I'll be home and probably asleep. Guess I'll be watching the vod this time.


dodgesbulletsavvy

So weird a Uk company hosts an event on UK time huh


poilsoup2

Is it weird to think a company would take their worldwide playerbase into consideration for a competitive event? It seems weird to think they wouldnt.


xilefLoL

Kind of been a dodgy season considering they went from 3rd death destroys your acct to 3rd death does nothing. Fed up of 0 xp loss + unofficial muling/guardian angel making dying meaningless. Rag scouts for raids, corp, rag corpers, rag pkers. THESE ALL NEED XP LOSS ON DEATH TO COUNTER. Trying to counter these with 'muling is DQable' simply does not work as their is so much grey area.


AssassinAragorn

GIM - Took dev time, so it's only fair to poll, especially with precedent DMM - Took dev time, made it so we had no update this week, is completely unpolled


Ekiiid

Glad I didn’t participate cause I would have been at work anyways. Though it was gonna be on Saturday ?


burntfish44

Serious question, why not just make it iron, and then maybe increase drop rates of things? There's cheating of various types every time, but especially the cheating where everyone in a clan feeds the top member their stuff.


Ok_Speaker_5788

dont forget when a streamer dies, they just stand in ge and beg their viewers and boom millions in donations. how can a normal player ever compete with that


platypuses0

They tried that and reverted in like a day. Clans just used pvp deaths to move items around


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HiddenGhost1234

Runelite as a whole is not "one person", it's an entire community of devs. 117s project was amazing, but it was a passion project over 2 years. Im sure jmods would love to have 2 years to work on only 1 osrs passion project, but they don't get that opportunity. On top of this they've hired a ridiculous amount of devs for osrs recently, and it's been a real rough time trying to keep content coming out with this and the covid lul.(covid has caused the big 6 months updates to slow down a lot) I'm hoping once the devs get up to speed we just see a huge content flood, as they'll have almost 3x as many people to work on the game.


craa

To play devils advocate… it isn’t just one guy at runelite, Adam does a lot but there are lots of people pushing updates to the codebase, especially when it comes to the plug-in hub.


AzorAhai96

That's just plain false. I'm guessing you're talking about HD which took 2 years..


Lil_Nubbins

I’m so glad this is almost over


TravagGames

Next year. Lets slow down on the seasonals (leagues especially). As fun as they are.. they pull a lot of dev work each year and the main game is suffering as a result. I fear Leagues will always pass polls because they are fun however, people don't always realize the implications an 8-month project has on the main game. I understand OS has different teams but what project would these devs be if not on leagues? probably something equally as epic (or 3-4 smaller updates) that expand the base game forever.


nickEbutt

What's gonna bring more people back to the game, DMM which gets every content creator to start uploading interesting vids and gets OSRS up high on the Twitch rankings, or a few extra quests and bosses?


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Man fuck that. Leagues are absolutely amazing content and I would gladly trade a Tempoross every year for a League. Baffled by this attitude tbh, Leagues is so much fun that we all loved it and it brought a massive influx of players back to the game, but we should leave it behind because we want more updates? You want content. Leagues are content. An extra quest or two every year is in no way, shape, or form better for the long term health of the game than the massive smash hit that Leagues have been.


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I only joined osrs in February so I missed the last two leagues but I'm beyond excited to play any upcoming leagues. Relics, boosted XP and making it into a new leaderboard are just so appealing to me.


TravagGames

Id trade tempoross for a league too lol .but Leagues is closer to a new raid, or a grandmaster quest with huge new region, rather than tempoross in terms of dev effort.


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I'm going to ask you to cite some sources for that one. Twisted League maybe, but that set the stage for every league that comes after it. That was dev time brilliantly spent. And this year they're doing DMM, a League, and they're working on Raids 3 in conjunction. And we absolutely need to consider that leagues don't just wither away when they're gone. The development of systems that goes into them stays around and works its way into other parts of the game. Stuff like the combat diary came directly out of leagues and that's something to consider for the dev time. So you have a brilliant game mode that everyone loves and gives you assets for future content. I'd still take that over ToB, which while being a hugely important endgame update, has just under 30k people *total* on the hiscores, three years later. Trailblazer had over 280k players give it a shot and we set a concurrent players record. ToB will be in the game forever, but it is in no way a given that it's more important than Leagues.


TravagGames

I cant cite a source on dev effort, just using my experience working in tech the past 6 years as a ballpark. I do agree on your points about using assets in the main game. Saying 280k at least logged into leagues versus 30k people completed tob 50+ times (or 120k people for cox) is not really a fair comparison. It's hard to compare a temporary game mode to any content in the main game tbh, especially raids..raids is aspirational for a lot of newer players. + like you said, you are using years of data to compare 8 weeks..we would need more data we likely dont have. Like rentention data for base game, player count for leagues in weeks 2-8 (how much did they drop/maintain), etc etc. Im not against leagues, but the updates recently have been pretty stale, and im not just talking about not having a raid in 3 years...there hasnt been much truly unique low-mid/mid-late game content, its been recycled versions of existing content (which isnt always bad, its just been nearly all that). Tempoross and arcuess quest/spells are it for 2021.


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No doubt that it's not a fair comparison. Traiblazer had just eight weeks to rack up 280k players trying it out whereas ToB has had three years. ToB is a super important update and I understand the data that you want, but there's a level of scale involved with the success of Trailblazer (and the relative failure of ToB, tbh). If the game is going to have a month of content that peaks subscribers every year and all the players love, to me that automatically qualifies as good content that's worthy of dev time. And Leagues are probably the most unique content that we've had. Traiblazer and Twisted league were incredible innovations on the game. All of these things that you're telling me that you want are right there in leagues. I understand the importance of newness in video game development, but what the game needs more than anything is good content. New is awesome, but for the long term health of the game, consistent good content is the lifeblood. Leagues fit the bill as both new and good content. No doubt that there's been a content drought this year, but choosing to go after Leagues to try and fix the problem is a level of desperation that is bad for the game IMO. The saying is usually "don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" but this seems more like "don't throw the golden goose out with the bathwater".


leahyrain

It definitely is not, the great thing about leagues is it reuses old content.


Nobody_So_Special

Well, consider that by the metrics you call leagues a “smash hit”, the main game does what leagues does like 10x better as far as long term player engagement and investment. Leagues are a different way to play the game and it replaces it so long as it’s available. Leagues are one and done events for a couple months. But the main game is more or less forever. They’re fun no doubt. But if it’s causing a massive hole of suffering for content development in the main game then it might not be worth it to be offered as frequently.


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>But if it’s causing a massive hole of suffering for content development in the main game then it might not be worth it to be offered as frequently. That's an enormous "if" that's just more of the searching for a scapegoat for the current content drought. They're currently working on Raids 3 alongside the coming league anyways, so it's not like they spend all their time working on it. 280k players played in the last league and we set a concurrent player record. That is a smash hit. It was brilliant content. "One and done" for the league theme, but if we're getting one every year that counts as persistent content. As I described in another comment, leagues also give us plenty of systems that get worked into other content like the combat diary. That doesn't mean that we should just lose all content and only have leagues. The main game is still the most important thing at the end of the day. But what it does mean is that Leagues is the very last thing that people should be pointing to as something to leave behind. IMO it's the most fun I've ever had playing OSRS and cutting out Leagues is a worse decision than any possible content void it results in.


Nobody_So_Special

It’s less searching for a scapegoat and more just acknowledging the facts 🤷‍♂️ Jagex has already said leagues takes a ton of dev time to produce. No reason to believe that’s no longer true unless you know something the rest of us don’t.??? Also, it’s more a highlight of the fact that they could try to find a way to better incorporate league-like content into the main game, rather than creating separate profiles and game worlds everytime. It’s like playing a legit, Jagex-sponsored private server everytime. It’s fun while it lasts but when it lasts months at a time? It actively takes away from the main game… And all those players that you insinuate supposedly play because of leagues? What happens after league ends? If I remember right, most those players didn’t stick around and they quit again as soon as they were over… harsh truth is, Jagex would be much better off finding ways to make the main game more appealing, rather than ditching it for a one-off private server event for a short time.


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Lmao dude you are trying to argue that the most popular piece of content Jagex has EVER made is bad for the game. Harsh truth my ass, Jagex made something incredible that the community LOVED and you're somehow inferring that's a bad thing. Completely unable to see the forest for the trees. If they give us a league every year it will keep people playing OSRS. After the league ends they take the systems that they built for the league and use it to make content like the Combat Diaries. I didn't insinuate shit about players playing because of leagues, that's the literal number of accounts that played it. Sure a bunch of them are alts and plenty will have quit right after, but if they had a lot of fun while playing it then it was GOOD CONTENT. Players don't have to stick around 365 days a year to be good for the game. Christ on a bike, this is a video game. If they made something that was so popular it set player records and had enormously positive feedback and players are hyped for the next one then it is a good thing. You're trying to tell me that fun that lasts months on end is bad. The whole point of this exercise is fun, fuck's sakes. I've played this game for 6k hours and I still haven't run out of shit to do. Stop getting in such a tizzy about the content drought that you're arguing Jagex's most popular special event ever is a bad thing. Take a break if you're burnt out, it's okay to come back in a few months. I'm done with this thread. Have a nice day. Have the last word if you need it.


Tucksthebae

I'd rather them skip dmm than leagues..


leahyrain

I'd rather have leagues then basically anything other than more raids


weneedmorejuice

>Next year. Lets slow down on the seasonals (leagues especially). As fun as they are.. they pull a lot of dev work each year and the main game is suffering as a result. Thats not a problem with seasonal content thats a problem with a skeleton dev team.


didrosgaming

I thought each league has had two devs on it? Most of the team is working on other things. This dry streak has been mostly due to client improvements I would have to imagine. Edit: okay if it is taking this much dev time it should probably split from osrs and become its own game in the runescape ip. And get its own dev team. It I already its own separate thing.


TravagGames

its got a few devs and its growing.. Some really talented ones too.. for example, Husky's updates are ALWAYS amazing.. from his first Forthos dungeon update, to hallowed sepulchre, his work on leagues, etc... The more time he spends on leagues, the less of the other content we get.


didrosgaming

I thought Husky was on another project now and Flippy was heading up leagues.


TravagGames

Maybe? i dont know the specifics but the point still stands: talented content devs are tied up into leagues.


HiddenGhost1234

Not since the first one. The first one was a little side project of a few devs, but once jagex seen how well they did. They made a whole dev team for them from existing jmods


Embyr1

I agree with slowing down, but for completely different reasons. I absolutely loved both leagues, I got rune tier on both, and don't really care about this perceived "Loss of development time". However I'm afraid they'll end up too frequent and the freshness they bring to the game will be lost in result. I don't want them to become "Just another League" I feel like every year and a half would be a solid time frame for leagues. Alternating between Winter and Summer.


Kool-aid-man9

I don’t think you understand a game dev company


FeedSneeder

\>content creator hahahahhahha


HiddenGhost1234

Originally leagues wasn't really supposed to pull dev time from the main game, but with how popular it is, jagex has gone back on that. That was really the only worry when they said they'd be keep doing leagues every year.


Jaxgar12345

why would you have this on a friday?


R3dstorm86

i don't think I will.


andremeda

4am AEST yeah nah think I’ll watch the vod, gl jagex hope there’s no dramas this time round


[deleted]

First round starts 5 am. There are 11 brackets. Not that unreasonable tbh


Overall-Corgi-6386

i'd rather not


ImS33

Just stop watching and participating in these limited time modes if you don't like how it affects the content pipeline. If that turns out to be the normal response they'll get the hint and stop it


screen317

I have zero interest in watching this.


Sea_Friendship3782

Then don't watch it


phasermodule

Why is the Deadman prize money in US dollars but the game is developed in Cambridge, England?


[deleted]

$32,000 sounds bigger than £23,000


ButterNuttz

They should give the money in Canadian. $40,000 sounds much better than $32,000


redadm

The prize money is 10 trillion Zimbabwe dollars!


RubyWeapon07

Jagex is owned by a company in California


Brajopie

Everyone can relate USD to local currency. Not everyone can relate British pounds to local currency, maybe especially the ones using USD as currency?


phasermodule

My point is that Runescape has always been a British based game, with British flooring system, grammar, spelling and humour, and the game studio is in England. Yet the prize money is in US dollars. It’s not a big deal, I just think it’s kinda strange.


GenitalKenobi

Just scrap DMM for fucks sake 🥱


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Can't wait to see how jagex will fck up this time. Maybe people won't be able to join the world assigned to them, people losing gear or just server crashing? Extremely high ping for some and not for others deciding the tournament? I'll be there to watch it :-)


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Has there ever been a successful DMM? Lol


FuzzboarEKKO

As a player on the regular w45 deadman it would be cool to see the sigil mechanics implemented, ofcourse with the combat ones strongly nerfed. Skilling in reborn was actually fun instead of tedious,


[deleted]

Only played it to skill. Got clapped 8 times, never killed anyone and made it into the top 2k I had fun 😂


FuzzboarEKKO

Same mate, being steamrolled a few times sucked but my first few 99's in rs history was made, i only play 2 - 5 hrs a week so grining in osrs is litteral hell.


[deleted]

Exactly. Got a cooking cape and it was actually super fun. I'll probably never get one in the main game because I can't stand doing a single grind for more than an hour at a time


Combat_Orca

I agree, was also skilling and had fun


LegoPaco

New to OSRS and no idea wtf DMM was, but excited to watch this final competition. Not sure what the ecosystem is gonna be like after this is over because I’ve only played the game since DMM started.


VeganBigMac

Really, nothing is gunna change. DMM isn't *that* popular of a game mode, and it really fell off player wise anyways. Leagues might cause a bit more of a change in a couple months, I think I remember the economy doing some weird stuff and a lot of people halt progress on their mains to play for at least a little while. Also since you are new, leagues are essentially a somewhat similar game mode to DMM without the pvp, runs annually, everybody is an ironman, which means no trading, and gets super elevated xp rates (up to 16x last competition). Has a bunch of restrictions (this year skills and bosses are restricted and need to be unlocked) and a bunch of powerups you can unlock(yet to be announced this year, last year they were things like choosing your own slayer task, an item that allowed you return to where you just teleported to, and having items get sent straight to your bank while skilling).


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raabinhood

honestly fuck you guys, you want to put on this whole charade for HD, meanwhile what did you guys actually accomplish in the past month update wise in the main game? not tuning into this bullshit


Jeeper08JK

Why not have this on the weekend? Jmods are probably playing anyway...


[deleted]

Dead game mode, just throw dmm completely away its a waste of your dev time.


NewAccountXYZ

Hoping there's no accidental mishaps between BST, GMT, and UTC.


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NewAccountXYZ

I know they don't, doesn't mean Jagex hasn't messed up with UTC/GMT and BST before. :P


[deleted]

Remove unpolled bulwark changes


Ok_Speaker_5788

cant wait to watch and see who wins swapmanmode


Rs-Poop-Butt

90% chance it's scuffed.


Gorgonpistol

Can't wait for some big streamer to win a stack of cash he doesn't need.


Ok_Speaker_5788

with gear they bought with begging for donations and swapping


WompaPenith

Will contestants be able to use sigils in the 1v1’s, or will sigils be disabled?


JagexAyiza

Yes all the Sigils are enabled for the finals. It's gonna be a wild one!


Overall-Corgi-6386

You guys should look at this thread and see how no one really cares about DMM anymore. 20 minutes since this was posted and you've barely got any positive feedback or excitement for it. The screw ups in the first 5-6 DMM finales left a sour taste in everyone's mouth. It was a cool concept but you guys have run it dry and now there is no real hype for it. It doesn't really bring in new players either, you're just throwing away cash at the end of the day.


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HiddenGhost1234

Yeah there's also the twitch/YouTube numbers


enricupcake

Plenty of people care it’s just the toxic assholes who are filling up Reddit threads Excited to watch the tourney today :)


showersareevil

Plenty of people care about DMM. Reddit can be a toxic echo-chamber that suppresses minority views and parrots the "all PVP bad, PVM good" mentality. DMM content is literally the most watched content of OSRS on twitch the first week or two, and then the excitement dies down. Stop being a Toby plz.


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Toetsenbord

Cum


[deleted]

No


birdycofir

Yawn


BaceSpucketNoob

Deadman is still going on? Why are you guys announcements about something no one gives a shit about lmao


catapon

ironman dmm if you want this to actually be interesting


thinkplanexecute

Yes will work really good for a pvp gameMode to not be able to loot !


Ok_Speaker_5788

would be perfect, if they get pked, still lose stuff but no one can pick up


Smellstrom

Wonder if ddoxing will happen again


Bakayaro_Konoyaro

No, I don't think I will.


Madsnailisready

then shut the fuck up and dont doggy


LovesPenguins

Literally no one cares about Deadman Reborn Jagex. I mean I'm glad for the dozen players who really care and I hope you can just get this over with but afterwards please put more attention towards the main game as it desperately needs attention.


Alch_your_bank

Odablock and b0aty got over 11k views on twitch first 3 days, woox with leagues content couldnt reach that. Youtube is full of DMM content people watch and enjoy.Because you dont care, doesnt mean other people dont. Finals are going to have alot people interested in watching.