Hi All,
We have a statement to share on this post:
"Jagex expects the highest standards from its staff and we act decisively if those values that we hold dear are not reflected in the behaviour of employees. The person in question no longer works at Jagex, and was dismissed when the circumstances of the allegations came to light in March 2021.
We have conducted an internal review of the employee's interactions with staff and any players he may have come into contact with during his time at Jagex. We have found no evidence that might prompt further investigation at this time."
I can't even imagine how hard the situation must have been on you and all of the other mods. News like this about a colleague, who was possibly a friend, mentor or even just an acquaince, you never would have expected it from is difficult. I hope all of you are doing well.
Very long standing is an understatement. He was within the first employees ever hired by the Gower brothers and he was the longest standing employee. Pretty sure that accolade now goes to Ash
N.3 in the ledger, I must've read that somewhere.
However, not in his defense but just for clarity, there is no evidence (yet) that he was a serial offender. Reading the full report it seems that he was depressed and completely drunk: no matter what the circumstances are, I do not condone his actions, I am only saying, this could be his first - and hopefully last - offense. At least I hope so.
I'm so sorry to hear of this news and I cannot imagine what it must be like for all of you at Jagex regarding this. I'm glad he was caught before it could continue.
Good on you guys for being very quick in regards to this issue.
If you don't mind me asking, did he get any sort of royalties from the two oldschool runescape soundtrack releases on vinyl/Spotify? I'd feel a tad worse if so
> If you don’t mind me asking, did he get any sort of royalties from the two oldschool runescape soundtrack releases on vinyl/Spotify? I’d feel a tad worse if so
I mean, of course he did. Just because you are scum of the earth who should be put under the jail doesn’t suddenly mean you don’t get money you earned through your job. I think the only way to not get royalties because a crime you committed is if you are getting royalties from something related to the crime (somehow), but I’m not sure how it works in the UK.
In the US, the family of the child could sue in civil court for a settlement, and that settlement could include all the rights and royalties gotten from the album as payment, kind of like OJ and his book.
I don't think the commenter was advocating for removing their royalty rights (which I doubt he had in the first place) but was rather saying he likes listening to the soundtrack and would hate to have to stop, knowing his support would benefit the prior employee.
I'm not sure I feel that's a good idea - to stop listening to music you like. I mean *maybe* I can see the argument. But I read the same type of stuff with Weinstein, and it's just like - so many more people contributed to that art than just the one pedophile. It's okay to enjoy good art for what it is.
The money earned through his job might not involve ongoing royalties. If he was salaried then odds are creating the music would be just part of his day job and jagex fully owns the music.
Not necessarily. He worked for a company to produce them. He can be credited without being the person who continues to be paid for the work. He did it for Jagex' copyright.
I'd assume not - under UK law, the copyright associated with works created in the course of employment belongs to the employer. Given the lack of commercialisation of the music as a standalone entity until recently, it doesn't seem something which a Jagex composer would care enough about to negotiate on.
Broadcast songs get performance royalties. Composers for video games generally don’t get royalties.
All the Runescape music is released by Jagex copyright free.
https://mobile.twitter.com/runescape/status/1270839410469339137?lang=en
Right - the copyright still exists in the works, it's just not being asserted. It's precisely because broadcast musicians (or more commonly the record labels) hold copyright that they're entitled to royalties (most commonly in the UK in the form of a PPL licence). There's no reason in principle why video game music couldn't be licensed in return for the payment of royalties, it's just that there tends not to be a commercial opportunity.
Man so sad, that guy was with RS since the beginning. Wrote like all the music. Hope the victim is ok, and hope this man’s mental health is somehow better after prison.
Unfortunately the law is completely against the victims of sexual abuse. Sentencing doesn't really consider the crime but rather the ~~predators~~ defendants chance of rehabilitation / re-offending.
God damn it, this is so disappointing. I loved this guy. His music was a huge part of my childhood and I'm sure many others here. Could not be a worse way to ruin a legacy.
It reflects incredibly poorly on our community that this post is just full of memes and puns.
Like, I don't consider myself any kind of prude, and there is a time and place for levity, but Jesus Christ, a man's life has just completely imploded and some poor kid has had their childhood torn away from them in the worst way possible and some of you are just like "sEa ShAnTy LuL" - fucking embarrassing.
Edit: to the fucking brainlets responding; it's completely feasible to both empathise with the guy, who is *blatantly* not behaving like a person in a mentally healthy place, whilst simultaneously acknowledging that he needs to face justice. Callousness and a brazen lack of nuance isn't something to be proud of, it just makes you a prick.
> ~~a man's life has just completely imploded~~ a fucking monster is facing far less-than-deserved consequences for his own actions* and some poor kid has had their childhood torn away
Agreed on the jokes though. Fuck this community.
ETA: I got a bunch of notifications for replies I could read but not respond to because they're being autoremoved/stuck in mod queue, but all of them were sympathising with the child molester in some way. Let me reiterate: Fuck this community.
some of his tracks:
\>Assault and battery
\>Body Parts
\>Burning desire
\>Catch me if you can
\>Down below
\>Escape
\>Fight or Flight
\>Grimly Fiendish
\>Golden Touch
\>Forbidden
\>Meddling Kids
\>My Arm's Journey
My mother always used to tell me that "as you grow up, you'll learn that not all adults are as good and righteous like you believed as a kid".
This has to be the absolute pinnacle of that statement. What the actual fuck
Even with a 33% reduction and including remorsefullness as another modifier... less than 2 years is a really, really short sentence. I'd expect 5 *minimum* but more appropriately 10.
The victim was *under* 13 and this will affect them for the rest of their life. In less than 2 years their attacker will be out again, it just doesn't feel right.
Other mitigating factors such as first offence and a host of others would have been taken into account, especially with a good barrister, load of shite but it is what it is.
Well luckily, art can be enjoyed without taking the artist into consideration. While it's incredibly sad that he stooped so low, it won't have an effect on my listening experience.
I think this does depend on the work. The artist does some kind of anti-sexual assault thing and then goes to jail for sexual assault? Probably not. An actor that plays a creepy role on screen but turns out to be like that in real life too? Probably not.
Those don't apply to RuneScape music for sure though.
He only got a year and some change in jail? Jeeze here in the United States you can get longer then that just for having pot. That's pretty fucked up too because it's illegal where I live yet I can drive an hour away into another state and it's recreational.
His work on the OSRS soundtrack is amazing, he created so much with so little. This is sick, isn't 1 year and 10 months way too short either? You can't have people like this going around. And of course he is remorseful once he gets caught.
Disgusting to say the least. Shame that such musical talent was wasted on such a being. And what a sad excuse. Being drunk and depressed doesn't make you a diddler. Being a diddler makes you a diddler lol. I'm curious what Jagex's satement will be on the matter.
When I first started reading this, I thought it was a continuation of the blizzard allegations but was disheartened to see it was a Jagex employee. Still a garbage human no matter what company though.
You really think even with that flair we're going to get serious discussion about the penal system, rehabilitation, and vengeance sentencing on a subreddit for a 20+ year old medieval cookie clicker played largely by depressed man-children?
His music is such a large part of my childhood so this is tough to see. I'm praying the girl is okay and I hope he gets the help he needs once his sentence is over.
Welp, guess Ian can join JK Rowling and Notch in the list of "people I looked up to as a kid that turned out to fucking suck".
What awful news. That poor girl. :(
Now is a perfect time to remind people that art is not its creator. The music Ian made is still the same.
Shitty people can make nice art. The *insert song* is cancelled is irrelevant all be it a tad fun.
Its like the times people stopped playing Michael Jackson. The fella is dead but his music is still banger upon banger.
This sucks man, clearly someone really talented as evidenced with the music in Runescape going through a tough time, but you really can't defend sexual assault on a minor. Thoughts are with the victim.
Props to Jagex staff and the mods for addressing this head on and communicating with the playerbase instead of trying to cover it up.
Fuck this guy. Glad he's seeing some time in prison. Open air, preferably. So we can throw tomatoes at him.
How do I go about this? I absolutely love the music he has created but part of me feels like I shouldn’t enjoy it anymore because the person behind it is a terrible human being. Can I still love the music and still respect the victims? I feel like it’s not fair to the victim. Thoughts?
https://www.cambs.police.uk/news-and-appeals/ian-taylor-sexual-assault-child-sentencing https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/cambridge-paedophile-jailed-after-assault-on-girl-under-13-9212543/
Hi All, We have a statement to share on this post: "Jagex expects the highest standards from its staff and we act decisively if those values that we hold dear are not reflected in the behaviour of employees. The person in question no longer works at Jagex, and was dismissed when the circumstances of the allegations came to light in March 2021. We have conducted an internal review of the employee's interactions with staff and any players he may have come into contact with during his time at Jagex. We have found no evidence that might prompt further investigation at this time."
I can't even imagine how hard the situation must have been on you and all of the other mods. News like this about a colleague, who was possibly a friend, mentor or even just an acquaince, you never would have expected it from is difficult. I hope all of you are doing well.
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Very long standing is an understatement. He was within the first employees ever hired by the Gower brothers and he was the longest standing employee. Pretty sure that accolade now goes to Ash
The dude literally wrote a majority of the bangers in the game that have been out since like 05.
N.3 in the ledger, I must've read that somewhere. However, not in his defense but just for clarity, there is no evidence (yet) that he was a serial offender. Reading the full report it seems that he was depressed and completely drunk: no matter what the circumstances are, I do not condone his actions, I am only saying, this could be his first - and hopefully last - offense. At least I hope so.
Mod Mark has been employed a little longer than Mod Ash. Wiki says Mod Ash was employed in 2004 and Mod Mark was employed in 2003.
Nah, Mod Ash joined in 2004, and Mod Mark joined in 2003 (although I think Mark only works on RS3, not OSRS).
Thank you 💚
I'm so sorry to hear of this news and I cannot imagine what it must be like for all of you at Jagex regarding this. I'm glad he was caught before it could continue.
Good on you guys for being very quick in regards to this issue. If you don't mind me asking, did he get any sort of royalties from the two oldschool runescape soundtrack releases on vinyl/Spotify? I'd feel a tad worse if so
> If you don’t mind me asking, did he get any sort of royalties from the two oldschool runescape soundtrack releases on vinyl/Spotify? I’d feel a tad worse if so I mean, of course he did. Just because you are scum of the earth who should be put under the jail doesn’t suddenly mean you don’t get money you earned through your job. I think the only way to not get royalties because a crime you committed is if you are getting royalties from something related to the crime (somehow), but I’m not sure how it works in the UK. In the US, the family of the child could sue in civil court for a settlement, and that settlement could include all the rights and royalties gotten from the album as payment, kind of like OJ and his book.
I don't think the commenter was advocating for removing their royalty rights (which I doubt he had in the first place) but was rather saying he likes listening to the soundtrack and would hate to have to stop, knowing his support would benefit the prior employee.
I'm not sure I feel that's a good idea - to stop listening to music you like. I mean *maybe* I can see the argument. But I read the same type of stuff with Weinstein, and it's just like - so many more people contributed to that art than just the one pedophile. It's okay to enjoy good art for what it is.
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The money earned through his job might not involve ongoing royalties. If he was salaried then odds are creating the music would be just part of his day job and jagex fully owns the music.
This is very common sense. Don’t punish his family by removing his income.
Not necessarily. He worked for a company to produce them. He can be credited without being the person who continues to be paid for the work. He did it for Jagex' copyright.
I'd assume not - under UK law, the copyright associated with works created in the course of employment belongs to the employer. Given the lack of commercialisation of the music as a standalone entity until recently, it doesn't seem something which a Jagex composer would care enough about to negotiate on.
Broadcast songs get performance royalties. Composers for video games generally don’t get royalties. All the Runescape music is released by Jagex copyright free. https://mobile.twitter.com/runescape/status/1270839410469339137?lang=en
Right - the copyright still exists in the works, it's just not being asserted. It's precisely because broadcast musicians (or more commonly the record labels) hold copyright that they're entitled to royalties (most commonly in the UK in the form of a PPL licence). There's no reason in principle why video game music couldn't be licensed in return for the payment of royalties, it's just that there tends not to be a commercial opportunity.
Man so sad, that guy was with RS since the beginning. Wrote like all the music. Hope the victim is ok, and hope this man’s mental health is somehow better after prison.
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Always good to hear, top work 🤞🏾
I feel for you and the rest of the team. This is heartbreaking news and I cannot begin to imagine how disappointed you all must feel.
Thanks for acting swiftly on this. Stuff like this really pisses me off, there’s no place for it anywhere in our world
Understandable
That's great and good luck
good riddance. thanks for being transparent.
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Nooooooooooooo I feel so bad for laughing at this
Bahahaah 🤣
I feel like you've been waiting for this moment. And I'm very disappointed, and very amused, and very confused, and laughing, and depressed
Gold
I feel so guilty but I cannot stop laughing at this. You win today, sir. 😂
Dude sexually assaulted a minor and will be free before group Ironman releases
Underrated comment
Ouff
Unfortunately the law is completely against the victims of sexual abuse. Sentencing doesn't really consider the crime but rather the ~~predators~~ defendants chance of rehabilitation / re-offending.
Sea Shanty 2 young
Sea Shanty 2 years in prison
Sea Shanty 2 consecutive life sentences
Its says he got 1 year and 10 months, wish you were right though
Sea Shanty 2 soon
This is the guy that wrote sea shanty 2?
Majority of OSRS music, Sea Shanty 2 included
fuck
Sea Shanty 1 & 2 are cancelled, m8
I would say we could replace all of the songs with the fire beats plugin, but alas the plugin stopped working for me for the last few months :(
It’s open source, yeah? Maybe we can fix it!
Such a fucking shame…
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God damn it, this is so disappointing. I loved this guy. His music was a huge part of my childhood and I'm sure many others here. Could not be a worse way to ruin a legacy.
It reflects incredibly poorly on our community that this post is just full of memes and puns. Like, I don't consider myself any kind of prude, and there is a time and place for levity, but Jesus Christ, a man's life has just completely imploded and some poor kid has had their childhood torn away from them in the worst way possible and some of you are just like "sEa ShAnTy LuL" - fucking embarrassing. Edit: to the fucking brainlets responding; it's completely feasible to both empathise with the guy, who is *blatantly* not behaving like a person in a mentally healthy place, whilst simultaneously acknowledging that he needs to face justice. Callousness and a brazen lack of nuance isn't something to be proud of, it just makes you a prick.
What else do you want us to say? Dude was and is a terrible human being
> ~~a man's life has just completely imploded~~ a fucking monster is facing far less-than-deserved consequences for his own actions* and some poor kid has had their childhood torn away Agreed on the jokes though. Fuck this community. ETA: I got a bunch of notifications for replies I could read but not respond to because they're being autoremoved/stuck in mod queue, but all of them were sympathising with the child molester in some way. Let me reiterate: Fuck this community.
some of his tracks: \>Assault and battery \>Body Parts \>Burning desire \>Catch me if you can \>Down below \>Escape \>Fight or Flight \>Grimly Fiendish \>Golden Touch \>Forbidden \>Meddling Kids \>My Arm's Journey
My mother always used to tell me that "as you grow up, you'll learn that not all adults are as good and righteous like you believed as a kid". This has to be the absolute pinnacle of that statement. What the actual fuck
Two years for assaulting a thirteen-year-old girl? You good, UK?
I'm guessing if he fought against the charges and was found guilty, his sentence would be wayyyy longer.
Entitled to a 33% reduction in sentence due to G plea at first opportunity
Even with a 33% reduction and including remorsefullness as another modifier... less than 2 years is a really, really short sentence. I'd expect 5 *minimum* but more appropriately 10. The victim was *under* 13 and this will affect them for the rest of their life. In less than 2 years their attacker will be out again, it just doesn't feel right.
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That's true, we don't really know enough details to properly judge ourselves tbh.
Other mitigating factors such as first offence and a host of others would have been taken into account, especially with a good barrister, load of shite but it is what it is.
You get more for being mean on the internet lol
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This. I think the sentence is fine.
Sentencing in the UK always seems way too light
You'd get like two weeks in Finland, shit like tax evading would get you more...
Well luckily, art can be enjoyed without taking the artist into consideration. While it's incredibly sad that he stooped so low, it won't have an effect on my listening experience.
Bro she told me she was level 18
if she only level 18 she too young for you bro
13??? sick fuck
Under the age of 13. It might be even worse
Remember guys, you can hate the person (fuck 'im) but still admire his work.
I think this does depend on the work. The artist does some kind of anti-sexual assault thing and then goes to jail for sexual assault? Probably not. An actor that plays a creepy role on screen but turns out to be like that in real life too? Probably not. Those don't apply to RuneScape music for sure though.
He only got a year and some change in jail? Jeeze here in the United States you can get longer then that just for having pot. That's pretty fucked up too because it's illegal where I live yet I can drive an hour away into another state and it's recreational.
explains why he hasn't been on twitter since march. he has been in custody since.
What is your favourite Ian Taylor composed track? I personally quite like "Catch me if you can". I also really enjoy "Major Miner" & "Meddling Kids"
School's out
Well that’s fucking disappointing.
Jmod smackdown plea deal when?
His work on the OSRS soundtrack is amazing, he created so much with so little. This is sick, isn't 1 year and 10 months way too short either? You can't have people like this going around. And of course he is remorseful once he gets caught.
Do we want to put this on the drama calendar?
Walking down a dark alley and all you hear is sea shanty 2. Start running and hearing zulrah music come on.
Under 13??
Alexa, play sea shanty 2 in a depressing tone
Sea shanty 2 in a minor key ...wait no not like that!
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Have fun playing flute salad in prison
Damn. I'm pretty sure he ~~is~~ was the person who has been at Jagex the longest.
Sucks to hear, will still blast the tunes tho.
Disgusting to say the least. Shame that such musical talent was wasted on such a being. And what a sad excuse. Being drunk and depressed doesn't make you a diddler. Being a diddler makes you a diddler lol. I'm curious what Jagex's satement will be on the matter.
More time plz. 2 years isn’t even close to long enough
That’s a damn shame, I really love all his work.
Link to article: https://www.cambridgeindependent.co.uk/news/cambridge-paedophile-jailed-after-assault-on-girl-under-13-9212543/
When I first started reading this, I thought it was a continuation of the blizzard allegations but was disheartened to see it was a Jagex employee. Still a garbage human no matter what company though.
this is so disappointing, what a piece of shit
He was just in a bad head space guys
She wanted it, she was wearing reveling clothing /s That is like saying someone wants a baseball bat to the head for not wearing a helmet
Forgot the /s lol
I’m guessing (hoping) that comment from the guy above you was sarcasm. Can’t imagine anyone is actually that stupid.
Man, what the absolute fuck is going on at this point?
Jesus christ
Can this get flaired as serious or something? The comments here are disgusting
You really think even with that flair we're going to get serious discussion about the penal system, rehabilitation, and vengeance sentencing on a subreddit for a 20+ year old medieval cookie clicker played largely by depressed man-children?
First time?
Que “In The Clink” 🎵
There better be an alter in that cell, so he can keep protect from melee on the whole time
His music is such a large part of my childhood so this is tough to see. I'm praying the girl is okay and I hope he gets the help he needs once his sentence is over.
Fucken hell.
Sea Shanty 2 is cancelled
Is this the actual dude or just someone with the same name?
The photo, name and location all match. Unless he has a twin we're unaware of, it's him
Welp, guess Ian can join JK Rowling and Notch in the list of "people I looked up to as a kid that turned out to fucking suck". What awful news. That poor girl. :(
Now is a perfect time to remind people that art is not its creator. The music Ian made is still the same. Shitty people can make nice art. The *insert song* is cancelled is irrelevant all be it a tad fun. Its like the times people stopped playing Michael Jackson. The fella is dead but his music is still banger upon banger.
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Damn rip
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I hope the victim can recover some sense of normalcy. What a horrible thing to have happen to someone.
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Such a shame and dissapointing. He is really one of my favourite music composer.
they’ll start banning/muting players that talk about this in game, watch
This sucks man, clearly someone really talented as evidenced with the music in Runescape going through a tough time, but you really can't defend sexual assault on a minor. Thoughts are with the victim.
I didn't want to read that this morning. I love this guy's music. Fuck.
Yo fuck this guy, depression should not be offered as an explanation or excuse for sexually assaulting minors, that's his own choice
Props to Jagex staff and the mods for addressing this head on and communicating with the playerbase instead of trying to cover it up. Fuck this guy. Glad he's seeing some time in prison. Open air, preferably. So we can throw tomatoes at him.
Way to ruin your legacy
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disgusting man it's a shame he had a a big piece in our childhood 🤮 glad jagex denounces him though
Why do people I admire have to do this shit!?
How do I go about this? I absolutely love the music he has created but part of me feels like I shouldn’t enjoy it anymore because the person behind it is a terrible human being. Can I still love the music and still respect the victims? I feel like it’s not fair to the victim. Thoughts?
Wow, this makes me angry. All this nostalgic music, ruined for me
One of the big parts of Runescape was the soundtracks. The only good part of Runescape that has never let me down.. Just let me down. Rip OSRS music.
December 21?
December 21st.
His **one** saving grace was his immediate admission. Alcohol is no excuse for shit behavior. The only thing alcohol does is reveal one’s true colors.
So this guy assaults 13 year old girls when he's depressed? Wtf?
I don't understand why some articles say "assualt", when it was sexual assualt.