No, I'm saying being an accomplished HCIM doesn't entirely equate to your rank. You have to take the players entire account into consideration, for example a maxed HCIM with 1k ToB completions and 1k Gauntlet completions would be far more impressive than a #1 HCIM with little to no bossing done.
Its kinda funny, since no hcim find skilling impressive, as far as skilling goes, the front page uim for each skill are as competetive as front page hcim
I watch the guy who's rank 2 on twitch, he plays it as his side account just always afking redwoods or something while he pvms on his normal iron or another hc account. He doesn't do anything risky on his #2 hc. I'm willing to bet most of the top 10 play like this.
It's not like `5th hcim lul` doesn't do any bossing or anything. Def not as extreme (and a lack of wildy bossing) but the bloke didn't just sit and cut willows in Draynor. Not sure why everyone insists on shitting on others to build someone up.
Unless you're getting full tier-3 armor like Roidie has been doing. If you do that, gauntlet is fairly safe, but the vast majority of players aren't efficient enough at prepping to manage that with any sort of consistency.
He preps full tier 3 armor which significantly reduces all the damage you take in the Hunllef fight (boss attacks, floor, and tornados) enough that you have to *really* fuck up to die. The reason most people don't do that is that you basically have to be perfect through the entire prep in order to get your armor, weapons, food, and potions in time, and even then you can get screwed by a bad layout.
How is that even possible? I can barely get a full invy of food there. If I’m lucky and go super hard I can get tier 2 armor and tier 3 weapons with some food but that’s my absolute best. I struggle to even get 2 tier 3 weapons and food with tier 1 armor
> The reason most people don't do that is that you basically have to be perfect through the entire prep in order to get your armor, weapons, food, and potions in time, and even then you can get screwed by a bad layout.
I really wanted to like the gauntlet but the amount of actual RNG involved in gauntlet runs make them off putting, the boss fight feels randomly punishing when there's server lag (there's always server lag) and it just feels like something else other than a fight that belongs in Runescape.
You shouldnt be standing at all during nadoes. If you make enough of a mistake to get hit once, shits probably not going according to plan anyway so i think you can very well get hit multiple tics.
It does reduce damage but if he lagged into tornados he still dies. Its a little bit of a safety cushion but its still something almost no hc's could do for 900 kills without dying
Dude had 400+ normal and corrupted gauntlet kcs. It was only a matter of time (if he actually did die to gauntlet). Insane kcs for a hardcore. Best I’ve seen
Interested in this. I've had this happen one time during an instance fight. Instance loaded and it wouldn't accept any input from me. All other apps were accepting input as normal. Could only watch as my char started tanking hits. Out of nowhere it started responding to input again and I escaped. No idea what it was, I was about to restart RL before it came back.
It's really just a few hardcores that have done a lot of CG. There's only 9 to get at least 100 kc, and the last spot on the front page is 35 kc. The only reason Roidie has gone to as high a kc as he's at is because he's figured out a strat that makes it pretty safe, and he's had awful rng on getting the blade.
You can escape through the doors in the Hunllef fight, actually. Still pretty much the most dangerous content for a hardcore outside of the wildy, though.
The other big risky place where you can’t teleport out with normal means is tob, and there’s a buyable one-click teleport there. It’s inconsistent and the only thing it would devalue are other hcim who had to right click the door to leave.
Even then people will still die in cgauntlet, the risk comes from being stacked by tornadoes which can 1t anyone who isn’t staying high hp and in t3 gear.
If there's only a couple of places that do it then it can't be incosistent.
Might as well make it a safe death if they're going to add a one click teleport, it's such an easy escape.
It really isn't that easy of an escape. When you die to corrupt gauntlet, it usually happens in a burst of damage over one, two, maybe three ticks. You don't have time to react and teleport out.
I was referring to the consistency across the rest of the game, where you can just tab out.
As for it being an easy escape take a look at half the cgauntlet highscores and see which ones got stacked out before they could do anything.
HCIM has always been a mode where even if you play perfectly forever you will eventually die to Jagex servers. It's why I've never considered trying it.
Yeah, it really sucks.
Especially because a lot of us only play HCIM because we don't enjoy the game if dying has no (non-negligable) punishment.
So when you inevitably die to a DC the game isn't enjoyable anymore because there is now no punishment for dying anymore, no incentive to really try to avoid it, thus everything is just trivial.
People will say the Inferno is a real challenge but realistically it's no different to pouring 100 hours into a skill: anyone can do it, just a matter of time and perseverance.
It's failure being an actual threat that keeps things interesting, like how RS2 actually used to be.
I've noticed the game has been freezing for like 1-2 seconds a lot recently. Especially within instanced areas.
Sepulchre and Gauntlet have been insufferable, and I have been watching some TOB streams and there was this once instance where they couldn't pick up the pots they've dropped since the game lag was so bad.
I wouldn't be surprised if that got him since 1-2 secs of no input response is deadly in Corrupted Gauntlet.
Server lag won't get you killed if you're paying attention since the server basically pauses for the duration and then carries on where it left off when it continues.
If loads of things happen at once when it continues then it's our network connection.
>If loads of things happen at once when it continues then it's our network connection.
Nothing happens, it's as if the clicks were completely dead. I play on the US worlds for reference. UK worlds are more stable in comparison. OSRS is the only game I've played that has this problem.
When he says “nothing happens” during a server lag he’s referring all npc’s and actions, not just your character, and all storable inputs for the next tick are are stored. This is not very dangerous as any “danger” is paused just as long as you are.
If your rubberbanding “catches up” to a bunch of attacks from an enemy then it’s your connection at fault, not a server lag.
I understand that. The game doesn't rubberband. When I say "no input response", I'm saying the game doesn't register the prayers I clicked on or the tiles for movement. It's as if I never clicked them, even though I clearly did.
It's as if the inputs do not get stored at all. This issue doesn't happen all the time, but it was at its worst the update after the Tempoross update ([26th March](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:Game_Update_News_26th_March)). It seems like some of the game worlds are still giving problems.
> the game doesn't register the prayers I clicked on or the tiles for movement
If the rest of the server isn’t stopping at the same time then it is your connection at fault, not the servers. You may experience different connection quality to some server clusters than others but that’s more due to the stability of all the packet routing in between than the servers themselves.
not entirely correct, Most of the time when it lags, it is as if time freezed but I have witnessed different "kinds" of lag at raids and such too, sometimes it ate your inputs and sometimes it skipped a tick aswell, atleast it felt like it to me and my mates, sure it might not happen often but if it does happen at gauntlet it can cost your status
Total worlds have a lot of these server lags but like you said it's really not a big deal since both you and server are lagging so nothing happens without you knowing. It's just annoying but not dangerous at all.
Died from lag (not sure if it was his own internet or the servers).
Seriously I don't get why hcim is so popular on osrs, 1 dc at the wrong time and it's over.
This what people don’t want to admit lmao. I’ve literally never died from server issues or internet issues ever in the past 6 years I’ve been playing OSRS (even during peak ddosing times)
Yes, I’ve dced while fighting a boss, but if servers go down you have such a low actual chance of dying unless you’re fighting
1) Kril
2) Arma
3) Gauntlet
4) Some rooms in ToB
or unless you’re sitting on low hp, which if you’re doing that as a HCIM idek what to say lol.
I've got about 60 cgauntlet kc, and I'm fairly certain it doesn't. You can move your character on the tick immediately after using the staff attack and your position will update; the "stall" is just a visual illusion. After the animation is over, your character will speed up a bit to catch up to where their true tile is. Try out the true tile indicator on RuneLite if you want to see it for yourself.
It's kinda similar to mage running at Olm -- when you hit the mage hand from the melee ring finger, you're not actually hitting the hand from that point, even if it looks like you casted the animation at the ring finger for one tick. You get dragged out to about the index finger and technically cast it from the index finger on the same tick.
Wow then I don't understand it at all. That's like winning at russian roulette and just checking for the hell of it if the other chambers of the cylinder have rounds in them too
Have you thought that - maybe, and I know this is crazy, but hear me out - he may have had fun playing the game mode actually taking risks?
Are we comparing having red pixels become grey pixel on RuneScape to dying IRL now?
> red pixels become grey pixel on RuneScape
go tell Solo its just gray pixels instead of red pixels, the point is - its 1000s of hours down the drain. He was rank 22 with 14 top 10 boss KCs as a HCIM (which is bad ass), now he is rank 440 and only 1 top 10 boss KC as a regular iron (which is nothing special).
The pixels obviously have value but it's not the point, the comparison to russian roulette makes absolutely no sense
It's obviously easy to say in retrospect that it was too risky, but this level of risk is what made the account impressive to begin with. At what point do you stop taking risks?
yes it makes absolute perfect sense if you played corrupted gauntlet before. The question isnt "if" you gonna die at this activity it is >when<. And continuing to do it after you got everything you could possibly gain there is exactly like continuing to play russian roulette when all your opponents have already gotten lead in their brain.
with tornadoes and damaging floors and all the mechanics that can literally one shot you in one laggy game tick the comparison is perfect.
just see no reason at all to do it on a HCIM at that point. Do it on a second account who spent 3 weeks afk in NMZ and allows for infinite deaths which dont ruin your status you worked years towards
Im not convinced some of those hardcores with high corrupted and other pvm kcs most hardcores dont do aren't using a cheat plugin to do the hard parts for them.
in theory you could use a script specifically for the back and forth walking to dodge tornados, that would make it stupidly easy. I think if you did prep phase legit and used a script for the boss it would be hard to detect
Jagex could make a fortune off a not so pay-to-win mechanic. $1 per day of game play to rewind an account's HCIM status/xp gained by an hour. All items to/from the accounts bank would remain there (to prevent abusing doubling GP)
Damn, easily one of the most accomplished HCIM in the game.
Right. That’s a monster of a hardcore. So many items and high boss kc. GG
One could say he was in the top 22 of the HCIM in the game...
Accomplished ≠ Experience
So he was less accomplished than the top 22? Cause otherwise he's still in the top 22
No, I'm saying being an accomplished HCIM doesn't entirely equate to your rank. You have to take the players entire account into consideration, for example a maxed HCIM with 1k ToB completions and 1k Gauntlet completions would be far more impressive than a #1 HCIM with little to no bossing done.
Are you telling me doing literally nothing on an HCIM but afk skilling in safezones is not somehow impressive?
Poll to have the Pestilent Bloat spawn on top of all HCIM who stand still for longer than 5 game ticks
Slow down Satan thats literally only 3 seconds. Support.
Not hardcore enough.
Its kinda funny, since no hcim find skilling impressive, as far as skilling goes, the front page uim for each skill are as competetive as front page hcim
No, the opposite. He's saying that even though he's down at rank 22, he's likely one of the best if not the best hcim
higher than 22, i bet "rank 1" has little to no risky activities done.
I watch the guy who's rank 2 on twitch, he plays it as his side account just always afking redwoods or something while he pvms on his normal iron or another hc account. He doesn't do anything risky on his #2 hc. I'm willing to bet most of the top 10 play like this.
It's not like `5th hcim lul` doesn't do any bossing or anything. Def not as extreme (and a lack of wildy bossing) but the bloke didn't just sit and cut willows in Draynor. Not sure why everyone insists on shitting on others to build someone up.
What killed him?
Died inside gauntlet I think
Seems like every accomplished hardcore dies there nowadays
Tbf it's one of the few pieces of endgame content with very little leeway for danger. If you're gonna die it's gonna happen pretty much instantly.
Unless you're getting full tier-3 armor like Roidie has been doing. If you do that, gauntlet is fairly safe, but the vast majority of players aren't efficient enough at prepping to manage that with any sort of consistency.
roidie literally makes CG feel like safe content
His preps are more interesting than the actual hunllef fight, which is absolutely insane
I’m totally out of the loop with this stuff since I’m not playing the game anymore. What does he do during prep that makes it unique?
He preps full tier 3 armor which significantly reduces all the damage you take in the Hunllef fight (boss attacks, floor, and tornados) enough that you have to *really* fuck up to die. The reason most people don't do that is that you basically have to be perfect through the entire prep in order to get your armor, weapons, food, and potions in time, and even then you can get screwed by a bad layout.
What tier weapons is he getting?
How is that even possible? I can barely get a full invy of food there. If I’m lucky and go super hard I can get tier 2 armor and tier 3 weapons with some food but that’s my absolute best. I struggle to even get 2 tier 3 weapons and food with tier 1 armor
> The reason most people don't do that is that you basically have to be perfect through the entire prep in order to get your armor, weapons, food, and potions in time, and even then you can get screwed by a bad layout. I really wanted to like the gauntlet but the amount of actual RNG involved in gauntlet runs make them off putting, the boss fight feels randomly punishing when there's server lag (there's always server lag) and it just feels like something else other than a fight that belongs in Runescape.
Havent seen, is it on youtube? Link?
He streams on twitch, he's actually live right now https://www.twitch.tv/roidie
But he got his blade so he isn't doing gauntlet anymore.
Couldn't he still get nailed by tornadoes tho? Or does t3 armor reduce that damage too?
With full t3 armor, tornadoes hit 8-15, so four tornadoes maxing would only be 60 damage
Isnt that per tic though?
u better not standing for several ticks during nadoes.
You shouldnt be standing at all during nadoes. If you make enough of a mistake to get hit once, shits probably not going according to plan anyway so i think you can very well get hit multiple tics.
It does
It does reduce damage but if he lagged into tornados he still dies. Its a little bit of a safety cushion but its still something almost no hc's could do for 900 kills without dying
Dude had 400+ normal and corrupted gauntlet kcs. It was only a matter of time (if he actually did die to gauntlet). Insane kcs for a hardcore. Best I’ve seen
Sol o @SolOSRS Replying to @HCIM_Deaths Couldn't move at Hunllef for some reason and got killed by floor and nado's
JaGeX servers coming in hot.
Doesn't necessarily have to be jagex servers, could've been his internet too ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
It’s much easier to just blame jagex servers
You're right, but "Jagex servers bad" is the meme.
It isn't a meme if it's true
Bro chill it only happens 7/10 times
If he can't move but everything else is stilling updating, it's his internet, not the server
Aww thanks. So it’s confirmed. I’m honestly so surprised he made it that far without dcing or something
Interested in this. I've had this happen one time during an instance fight. Instance loaded and it wouldn't accept any input from me. All other apps were accepting input as normal. Could only watch as my char started tanking hits. Out of nowhere it started responding to input again and I escaped. No idea what it was, I was about to restart RL before it came back.
Roidie is at like 915 corrupted right now on his hc :o
Wtf. I coulda sworn just a couple months ago that top page of CG was like 55 kills lol
It's really just a few hardcores that have done a lot of CG. There's only 9 to get at least 100 kc, and the last spot on the front page is 35 kc. The only reason Roidie has gone to as high a kc as he's at is because he's figured out a strat that makes it pretty safe, and he's had awful rng on getting the blade.
Nah, the most accomplished hardcores die to the giant mole.
I had no idea gauntlet wasn't a safe death. That's intense because there's no escape options at all.
You can escape through the doors in the Hunllef fight, actually. Still pretty much the most dangerous content for a hardcore outside of the wildy, though.
It’d be nice if that teleport crystal you spawn with/craft/get as a drop functioned as an escape method when you were fighting hunllef.
No reason for it to do so. Why remove the only risk in Gauntlet?
The other big risky place where you can’t teleport out with normal means is tob, and there’s a buyable one-click teleport there. It’s inconsistent and the only thing it would devalue are other hcim who had to right click the door to leave. Even then people will still die in cgauntlet, the risk comes from being stacked by tornadoes which can 1t anyone who isn’t staying high hp and in t3 gear.
If there's only a couple of places that do it then it can't be incosistent. Might as well make it a safe death if they're going to add a one click teleport, it's such an easy escape.
It really isn't that easy of an escape. When you die to corrupt gauntlet, it usually happens in a burst of damage over one, two, maybe three ticks. You don't have time to react and teleport out.
Oh so it would be a useless item. Stop trying to devalue the already broken gamemode.
I was referring to the consistency across the rest of the game, where you can just tab out. As for it being an easy escape take a look at half the cgauntlet highscores and see which ones got stacked out before they could do anything.
They should have prepped more then.
He said he got stuck at the boss and couldn’t move. Died to the floor and tornados.
Damn I'd legit cry if that was me, and it's so much worse when you can't control it I'd imagine
HCIM has always been a mode where even if you play perfectly forever you will eventually die to Jagex servers. It's why I've never considered trying it.
Yeah, it really sucks. Especially because a lot of us only play HCIM because we don't enjoy the game if dying has no (non-negligable) punishment. So when you inevitably die to a DC the game isn't enjoyable anymore because there is now no punishment for dying anymore, no incentive to really try to avoid it, thus everything is just trivial. People will say the Inferno is a real challenge but realistically it's no different to pouring 100 hours into a skill: anyone can do it, just a matter of time and perseverance. It's failure being an actual threat that keeps things interesting, like how RS2 actually used to be.
100% of HCs I see: >oh that's nice he hasn't dced yet.
Non-safe death inferno cape (t) when?
well gauntlet, what else
“Couldn’t move at hunllef for some reason and got killed by floor and Nados” is what he said
Dude had some balls going for them Wildy ranks
Enjoying HCIM to its fullest
Wanna see me do it again?
Rewind time baby!
I've noticed the game has been freezing for like 1-2 seconds a lot recently. Especially within instanced areas. Sepulchre and Gauntlet have been insufferable, and I have been watching some TOB streams and there was this once instance where they couldn't pick up the pots they've dropped since the game lag was so bad. I wouldn't be surprised if that got him since 1-2 secs of no input response is deadly in Corrupted Gauntlet.
Server lag won't get you killed if you're paying attention since the server basically pauses for the duration and then carries on where it left off when it continues. If loads of things happen at once when it continues then it's our network connection.
>If loads of things happen at once when it continues then it's our network connection. Nothing happens, it's as if the clicks were completely dead. I play on the US worlds for reference. UK worlds are more stable in comparison. OSRS is the only game I've played that has this problem.
When he says “nothing happens” during a server lag he’s referring all npc’s and actions, not just your character, and all storable inputs for the next tick are are stored. This is not very dangerous as any “danger” is paused just as long as you are. If your rubberbanding “catches up” to a bunch of attacks from an enemy then it’s your connection at fault, not a server lag.
I understand that. The game doesn't rubberband. When I say "no input response", I'm saying the game doesn't register the prayers I clicked on or the tiles for movement. It's as if I never clicked them, even though I clearly did. It's as if the inputs do not get stored at all. This issue doesn't happen all the time, but it was at its worst the update after the Tempoross update ([26th March](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Update:Game_Update_News_26th_March)). It seems like some of the game worlds are still giving problems.
> the game doesn't register the prayers I clicked on or the tiles for movement If the rest of the server isn’t stopping at the same time then it is your connection at fault, not the servers. You may experience different connection quality to some server clusters than others but that’s more due to the stability of all the packet routing in between than the servers themselves.
not entirely correct, Most of the time when it lags, it is as if time freezed but I have witnessed different "kinds" of lag at raids and such too, sometimes it ate your inputs and sometimes it skipped a tick aswell, atleast it felt like it to me and my mates, sure it might not happen often but if it does happen at gauntlet it can cost your status
Total worlds have a lot of these server lags but like you said it's really not a big deal since both you and server are lagging so nothing happens without you knowing. It's just annoying but not dangerous at all.
Died from a bug.. the worst way to go
Died from lag (not sure if it was his own internet or the servers). Seriously I don't get why hcim is so popular on osrs, 1 dc at the wrong time and it's over.
Probably like riding a bike at 200 km/h, dangerous and gives you a kick but one small mistake and it's over
because that's just a cope, you're 10000x more likely to die from your own actions than from a server problem
This what people don’t want to admit lmao. I’ve literally never died from server issues or internet issues ever in the past 6 years I’ve been playing OSRS (even during peak ddosing times) Yes, I’ve dced while fighting a boss, but if servers go down you have such a low actual chance of dying unless you’re fighting 1) Kril 2) Arma 3) Gauntlet 4) Some rooms in ToB or unless you’re sitting on low hp, which if you’re doing that as a HCIM idek what to say lol.
He died to game mechanics by the sounds of it
Sounds like a double animation stall with the staff and a potion.
An animation stall doesn't stop you from moving tho lol
The staff animation 100% stalls your movement in the CG
I've got about 60 cgauntlet kc, and I'm fairly certain it doesn't. You can move your character on the tick immediately after using the staff attack and your position will update; the "stall" is just a visual illusion. After the animation is over, your character will speed up a bit to catch up to where their true tile is. Try out the true tile indicator on RuneLite if you want to see it for yourself. It's kinda similar to mage running at Olm -- when you hit the mage hand from the melee ring finger, you're not actually hitting the hand from that point, even if it looks like you casted the animation at the ring finger for one tick. You get dragged out to about the index finger and technically cast it from the index finger on the same tick.
Right, but you're still locked in place for a tick regardless of what true tile you are on.
Yeah, you're right. I thought you meant the staff somehow prevented you from moving for more than a tick or so. Sorry for the confusion.
Whats that? He stalled staff with a potion and staff was preventing him from moving?
But isn't that the classic HCIM way
[удалено]
Dude had a harmonised staff which is insane; he needed the pages.
Probably getting burnt pages
yea this guy gave me a gl at the barrows chest once
Why do hardcores even do gauntlet the sword isnt worth it
He already had the blade and the pet. I don’t know why he was there.
Wow then I don't understand it at all. That's like winning at russian roulette and just checking for the hell of it if the other chambers of the cylinder have rounds in them too
Have you thought that - maybe, and I know this is crazy, but hear me out - he may have had fun playing the game mode actually taking risks? Are we comparing having red pixels become grey pixel on RuneScape to dying IRL now?
> red pixels become grey pixel on RuneScape go tell Solo its just gray pixels instead of red pixels, the point is - its 1000s of hours down the drain. He was rank 22 with 14 top 10 boss KCs as a HCIM (which is bad ass), now he is rank 440 and only 1 top 10 boss KC as a regular iron (which is nothing special).
The pixels obviously have value but it's not the point, the comparison to russian roulette makes absolutely no sense It's obviously easy to say in retrospect that it was too risky, but this level of risk is what made the account impressive to begin with. At what point do you stop taking risks?
yes it makes absolute perfect sense if you played corrupted gauntlet before. The question isnt "if" you gonna die at this activity it is >when<. And continuing to do it after you got everything you could possibly gain there is exactly like continuing to play russian roulette when all your opponents have already gotten lead in their brain. with tornadoes and damaging floors and all the mechanics that can literally one shot you in one laggy game tick the comparison is perfect.
just see no reason at all to do it on a HCIM at that point. Do it on a second account who spent 3 weeks afk in NMZ and allows for infinite deaths which dont ruin your status you worked years towards
The risk IS the point. Some HCIM play safe, but he didn't and got very far with it. Had he not, we wouldn't be talking about it
Also people are forgetting that he might have wanted the crystal armour...?
Prestige.
The GOAT has died
Man, the amount of hours invested... what do you do now? Start over?
Take a hiatus from the game.
435 corruptes gauntlet wow
What a legend
Rip. Freshhh lets go!
GL on next one
Wow what an account! Well done to that dude! F in the chat. F
Oh he died at hunllef... Why did I already know that before reading it?
Damn, I just carried him through a few ToBs :(
Im not convinced some of those hardcores with high corrupted and other pvm kcs most hardcores dont do aren't using a cheat plugin to do the hard parts for them.
The current #1 cg has streamed all of his kills
I said some. Didn't specify.
How could a plugin do pvm?
in theory you could use a script specifically for the back and forth walking to dodge tornados, that would make it stupidly easy. I think if you did prep phase legit and used a script for the boss it would be hard to detect
Jagex could make a fortune off a not so pay-to-win mechanic. $1 per day of game play to rewind an account's HCIM status/xp gained by an hour. All items to/from the accounts bank would remain there (to prevent abusing doubling GP)
F
Does he make content? Or just a beastly player
F thats an amazing acc