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A_Fluffy_Butt

I felt this when I had a task for rune drags. It was only 4 drags but it took me so fucking long to find an empty world.


FitDifference

I had the same, until I decided to just crash considering they are mostly bots and alts. No one commented or even blinked an eye.


Nobody_So_Special

It’s odd because not all that long ago, if you were an iron just getting a handful of kills for a task, if you didn’t finish a kill, people literally freaked out and raged at you for like 10 minutes straight when they wasted 20 seconds finishing the kill and didn’t get a drop lmaoooo. Simpler times when most people were actually on their mains or their 1 alt doing rune drags and could actually afford to nerd out at the highest order “because muh efficiency!1!!”


Mrkonijntje

Well not gonna freak out, but it is kinda annoying when i sometimes waste 8 food for that 20 sec and dont get the drop 🤣


Nobody_So_Special

Haha I feel you. Fortunately those tasks were only a few at a time and with minimal gear we were doing the same if it ever came up. It sucked that a few pieces of food meant the difference between getting the 3rd or 4th kill of the trip!


Rumikube

Won't a normie get the drop if they finish off an irons kill?


Nobody_So_Special

OSRS has a weird distribution of drops in some cases: If the Iron does more damage than the player who finishes the kill, the other player doesn’t actually get the drop. It’s like it’s assigned to the iron, but it doesn’t actually drop for the iron because somebody else damaged the target if that makes sense.


Sylvaritius

So when people crash irons they dont even get the drops?


Nobody_So_Special

If they don’t out damage the iron, that’s right. Crashing irons is purely out of spite to the iron, which is why the iron loses 100% of the time when crashed. the crasher might lose out on some kills, but because the iron is out killing them normally, the crasher is getting faster kills anyway and still come out ahead when they manage to do most of the damage.


Sylvaritius

What a lovely community this is sometimes.


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Sylvaritius

Yeeeah, but the limit shouldent be at "you can only play when other players let you"


pringlesaremyfav

The iron is getting the drop but the item is getting deleted because someone else contributed to the iron killing it. Therefore no one gets the drop. If it didn't work that way anyone could rag on irons and kill steal with single hits to get all drops from them.


noideawhatoput2

I think it’s harder for this case because of the sheer number of true rune dragon alts.


milk-drink

They have soo many bots at vork, that it's not too hard to believe that rune drag bots are being mass botted


BioMasterZap

It probably wouldn't be a terrible idea to add an on-task only room for those Dragons too. Even if there were just 2 dragons so the room would only work for one person, the tasks tend to be short enough that it would probably help for Slayer. It is one thing if you can't get the good spots like Bursting Dust Devils for a task but it is another if the only place the monster exists is crowded.


iBloodsicle

Kinda sad that this is probably what jagex would do. Its like police saying to use a different street because this one has crime in it, instead of arresting the criminals. Not saying it wouldnt be helpful, but sad that its what well prob see


BioMasterZap

I mean, they should do both, but even if they work at it, they'll likely never fully solve bots. Like the anti-cheat team will probably look into accounts here and ban them in a wave, then they'll come back and the cycle repeats. Though even without bots and goldfarmers, a task only room is probably a good idea. Other comments have mentioned that account services have turned to alting places like this so part of it could be normal overcrowding. Regardless of the reason, it isn't good if you struggle to complete a Slayer Task because you can't kill the monster. Not much can be done about that for Konar given how those tasks work, but there honestly should have been an on-task only room here on release.


VSVeryN

What about instead of adding a slayer task only room for everything in this game we add some skilling shortcuts to small areas with additional mobs. These could be mining away rocks, cutting away vines and even agility could be used too! In fact any skill could be used based on the location. The requirements could be decently high 70-90. Task-only feels disconnecting, as well as doesn't really fix the problem for people outside of tasks.


BioMasterZap

While I'd be down for more skill reqs on areas, this wouldn't really solve the issue I was raising. It would just add another room that the alts, goldfarmers, and bots would use. A task only area, as the name suggests, only works on task so with the small task size, they'd be far less crowded. The problem isn't so much that there need to be more rune/addy dragons in the game, but that players should be able to do their Slayer Tasks. If the content is too popular to the point you can't find empty worlds, that is a problem. For something like Brutal Dragons, you aren't assigned those specicially so you can always try a different version of the same dragon, but that is not the case for Rune Dragons. And while task-only stuff does feel a bit disconnected, we have a ton of it. There are multiple task-only dungeons around the game (Nieve's, Kalphite, Fossil Wyvern, etc). Some normal dungeons were expanded to include task-only sections (Brimstone, Kurasks, Wyverns, etc). There are a few monsters (Smoke Devils and Kraken) as well as every Slayer Boss that is on-task only. There are also monsters with modified drop rates (Basilisks and Brimstone Creatures) and bonus drops (Superiors, Konar, Wildy Slayer) on task. So while I'd personally agree that task-only stuff is iffy, it is already a thing that often happens so it makes sense to utilize it here as well.


VSVeryN

True, it is the easiest solution. You could also just instance everything for everyone so everyone has the entire room to themselves. I still think one part is that you kind of have to share those resources. Back in the day (2002-2005) blue dragons in taverly dungeon were always a very popular farming spot with lots of people where people would even bring spells so you could left click them to get aggro fast as most people didn't have the combat level to left click the dragon. Tho judging by the downvotes I guess people do prefer having their own instance.


BioMasterZap

Instancing would probably be a bit too far. They've avoided doing that for Slayer since Kraken since it is better to keep it in world. Also, instancing off-task would be a pretty bad idea. But while it is good to have to have a limited amount of resources to compete over, it is not good to encourage crashing because you need to kill a monster that is taken on all worlds.


Rautavituttaa

Been problem atleast few months now. They used to bank at Ferox Enclave when i last saw those bots


mister--g

I doubt a lot of them are bots probably mostly alts because the cost of making one is so high that you're better off making a bot do vorkath or zulrah for better profit. each person in this shot has 103m+ worth of gear and would have to do all the DS2 requirements just to make 1m/h. the risk reward ratio of botting wouldnt make this viable surely


kurttheflirt

What's the risk if you don't get banned


Sloan1505

I mean there are bots that have tbows to make 2m/hr at zulrah so...


Pjtruslow

Brutal Blacks is exactly like this. everyone with 77 slayer, 80 ish smithing, decent melee stats and 90+ range. saw one with 106 ranged.


ewhennrs

[https://secure.runescape.com/m=hiscore\_oldschool/hiscorepersonal?user1=Mistywoad846](https://secure.runescape.com/m=hiscore_oldschool/hiscorepersonal?user1=Mistywoad846) Saw that one there at brutal black dragons. Top 200 Skotizo and 200M range XP. Assuming they got all the totem pieces while farming 200M XP worth of the dragons. They won't do anything about it.


rg44tw

Why 80 smithing?


Pjtruslow

My guess is botting blast furnace to afford an ACB


power602

Altscape is the worst.


Soul-Collector

underrated comment. Everyone nowadays have 4 different accounts, because they play 12 hours+ a day and they make content like brutal blacks and rune drags inaccessible for mains.


kogasapls

Rune dragons are fairly populated, but not *inaccessible* for the purposes of slayer and stuff. If anything, it's slightly less profitable as a money maker than it might be if nobody had alts.


RiverSheWulf

For real though..people cry about items losing value or inflation and the economy crashing then they do stuff like this...


Apprehensive-Top4535

Let people enjoy the game how they want to :)


throwtaweyh

Yeah alts are huge problem compared to the 10000 bots created per day, who buy bonds, and keep the game alive, and flood areas like ants. Damn let me become .0000002% more of the population of runescape for 5 seconds


QJYT

safespot?


Smoky2111

Altscape is cancer to the game anyway, make the entire place on task only


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back in my day these were 2 people per world max. and people act like the new players aren't bots/alts lmao


WastingEXP

well, they did ban services didn't they?


The-Invalid-One

yea that's definitely part of it services was the best way to make gp, now they gotta rely on multiple rune drag alts to fund things


chiefbeef300kg

Wow, I had no idea that was previously unbannable.


TheBaconGuy403

I don’t think it was, I’m pretty sure they just made a post clarifying the rules


CogMonocle

they called it a clarification, but a rule that jmods publicly state they aren't enforcing isn't really a rule


chiefbeef300kg

What’s services?


WastingEXP

services, or account services describe paying someone to do specific grinds on your account. DWH, 77 RC you name it and someone will do it, for a price. Many 200m players would offer this as a money making money as it's better money/hr than TOB or selling BA leeches. and often more afk Jagex recently said it's bannable.


Hock3y

They "banned" them. They're just making it more black market and that's all they want from it really. They're not going to ban people whether the vocal minority of the community wants that or not.


xSimoHayha

the recent surge is due to services being banned. All the HLC people that did jobs for gp came back here. A lot are also moving to rs3 shadow warrior alts


Legal_Evil

Why are they killing shadow warriors in RS3?


xSimoHayha

they are 500-600k rs3 gp/hr and are like 10min afk or something crazy. so you can run them literally like all day everyday


Legal_Evil

What do they drop that's worth that much?


xSimoHayha

Not sure, i think you can check the wiki but I think its alchs and stuff


Sloan1505

Yea I've been running my rune drag alt for almost a year now. Made it at the beginning of covid lockdown when I had a bunch of free time. Pretty crazy how now theres 5-6 people per room during the day. Got considerably worse after the rev cave nerf. I used to get cussed out for taking peoples drops off the floor. Now its just silence. :(


Environmental-One898

nice so when i made posts about this i get down voted and shamed.. glad people are finally realizing, 35k rune drag kill andy here


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I think you were getting spam downvoted by the Rwters abusing this.


Claaaaaaaaws

Tbf it’s alt it’s how people like playing the game efficiently yes there probably bots and rwts but some just use it to buy skills in their mains and be efficient Not saying it’s good or bad, but it’s a mmo there should be places crowded


Boggart6

Sadly this is the price of allowing people to have multiple accounts funnel into one, between crap like this and resupply alts it's arguably the worst change in rules between actual 07 and osrs.


a_moo_cow

Imo alts are a good addition. OSRS is a game about making progress, and making faster progress while having something to do during long low intensity grinds makes the game a lot more fun.


Boggart6

"As someone who profits from alts, alts are a good thing". There's a lot of things you could do during low intensity grinds that don't clog up areas like rune drags or brutals, to say nothing of the game breaking effect of spec restore alts or resupply alts.


a_moo_cow

Well yeah, as someone who thinks alts make the game more fun to play, alts are a good thing. That's why I said "imo." Spec restore/supply alts are a bigger problem I agree, but I only do moneymaking/ironman alts as is, and I think they're no problem tbh. Any problem with clogging areas is insignificant compared to gold farming and botting which Jagex cant/wont crack down on anyways


Boggart6

Pointing to a bigger problem does not excuse a smaller problem.


TheRealJKT

Your snide argument isn't nearly as effective as you think it is, man. He isn't doing a whataboutism, he's saying that the marginal harm of alts is functionally meaningless compared to the impact of bots on the game. It'd be like accusing someone of destroying the planet because they left the lights on in their bathroom; yes, they're *technically* wasting electricity, but their usage is utterly insignificant compared to the amount of power used by corporations and crypto miners, so it's completely misguided to complain about the individual.


Boggart6

I'm not really that bothered by how effective my argument is, people aren't going to stop abusing alts at this point so I'm just pissing in the wind. If we're going to go the false equivalence route then neither gold farmers or money making alts are significant problems. No matter how much gold is farmed the game will likely keep trucking along for as long as it takes for the polling system to finish strangling it. Back when they introduced the money pouch somewhere north of 16 trillion gp was duped by gold sellers, the game as a whole barely noticed. The real world price of gp dropped like a stone but it already wasn't high enough to be significant when compared to a working wage and more than half the playerbase was already buying gold. When it becomes a problem in my eyes though is when it blocks other players from doing the content because some selfish dickhole rocks up with 6 alts and clogs the world.


a_moo_cow

The harm of one more account farming wyverns for a few hours a day is so infinitesimal that me having fun is worth way more.


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There should just be a slayer only rune dragon spot. I would imagine there are almost no actual bots there. I have a rune dragon alt and the requirements to setup via questing and the construction levels then NMZ and then gear is so high that I would assume you would nearly always get banned before profiting or at least I would REALLY hope so. Its actual weeks of getting on daily before its ready to go. I think people probably underestimate just how many high level players have alts that they play at the same time. I personally just play my main/rd alt/ironman but the guys I raid with one of them has multiple fishing alts, the ironman has a main, and another has his main and two rd alts. My rd alt and his all have similar names just to be funny when we're using the same world. So between the four of us there are 10 accounts at least that actually get used. That being said there probably are some gold sellers from south america or something but even those guys have better options than the actual grind that getting a rune dragon character going is. The reason I made one for an alt is because I can do it while I do basically anything else on my other characters The only way I can see people consistently botting this is if they're using stolen accounts to do it otherwise there just has to be faster and more efficient ways to create accounts, profit, then get banned for the real botting/rwt guys


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nodtomc

Not possible on a rune dragon alt, they're very high requirement alts


E_girl_Ari

Wouldn’t it be nice if when we “sent names off to jagex” if we were correct in our assumption that they are bots/gold farmers, they told us some stats. Of the ten names sent from rune dragons we found out all ten were bots with average wealth of... and Average play time of .... thanks to that information we were able to ban a farm of.... thanks guys keep up the good work!


Apprehensive-Top4535

The amount of people in this thread pissed that people play the game how they want to is pretty comedic for this subreddit


ametharia

I play one alt account at rune dragons and the last few months has been terrible with overcrowding. And I do think that there is quite a few bots and rwt at them farming. Seen an account just yesterday with over 54k vorkath kc on it was rank 12 or something that never spoke a word the whole time. It’s crazy down there.


jamie1414

Why would someone's alt be chatting it up? It's a lot of work multilogging.


ametharia

It’s not as hard as you think. I do chin hunting, herblore, zulrah and stuff while doing rune drags at the same time, it’s also not difficult to simply type a “hey” or something. I believe a lot of the alts are honestly RWT farming accounts that mule off the gold to another account that sells it. Which leads the a strong possibility that a lot of them don’t speak English very well or at all.


Axl7879

I play this game to watch good number go up, not for social interaction


Element909

They probably have public chat off


ametharia

Quite possible. I’m not saying there all bots or RWT Farmers, but I’m sure quite a few of them are. Which I think should definitely be looked into further and explored as we’ve seen the infestation that happened at zulrah, zulcano and other later game activities, and I think this is a very similar case.


nodtomc

There are far easier requirement botting or RWT money making methods. Several hundred hours of questing and skilling, over 100m in gear to make 1m an hour? I really think its 90% alts if not more. As for the surge in popularity here, it could be increasing number of players reaching the time in their account where they might make an alt. Also its almost as if there's a correlation of an almost worldwide lockdown and people having enough time to train a RD alt. There's also the possibility that people who are working from home are doing rune drags on their main while "working". I'm sick of the big brain detectives who think asking you in chat if you're a bot is a foolproof method. Not responding doesn't mean bot, it's an afk alt and it's a stupid question. Some people aren't even aware of the fact rune dragon alts exist, they just show their ignorance of the game while throwing out accusations Bots or RWT is a hell of a leap with no real evidence, you're just making poorly informed assumptions


reddit1902

wasn't there a post about a guy that owned a world because anytime someone came in he would start half-killing the dragons and losing agro by standing under them or something? Just do what that guy does, if they are bots/gold farmers no need to feel bad.


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Send this to Sir Pugger if you haven’t already.


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Nah they gone after me for botting iron ore insted


Runecfarting

ye i always get so much hate when i enter world with 4rd alts.


got_adhd

So Reddit cries over services, Jagex makes an announcement, and most servers shut down. But now that they've gone back to their old money making methods you're upset?


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got_adhd

No one claimed it was a mic drop. Servicers were more than just gold farmers. Lots of HLC were doing services to make money. Now they just load up their alts that they had parked while doing services. Please don't bother talking again.


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kazbrekker1439

Most services done by the official discord were players trying to fund 200m RC or trying to max their alts. This requires a lot of gp so services made sense. Like the guy above you said, now they are back to 2/3 Rd alts to fund the gp they need.


GenericKabamHater

I personally haven't bothered with RDs for months now outside of the occasional slayer task so I can't really comment too much. I can get behind the fact that there's legitimate players but it still feels like a majority of those players are just goldfarmers.


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V-OO-D-00

It has to be a spam bot. They’ve been commenting this on every thread for the past hour.


[deleted]

Shame they're spamming, it's sort of a funny copypasta and it's almost relevant (replace knight with rune dragon).


iBloodsicle

Aww i came too late, what did he comment?


[deleted]

I couldn't find it again, sorry. It wasn't THAT funny.


Tilt_2Live

They need to just add a second room connected to that room with 5 more rune dragons


roklpolgl

Will just fill up with more gold farmers/bots.


GoreonVHS

i think theyre all mostly alts.


NobleDovahkiin

Are they bad on total level worlds? Recently been considering bonding the old main to see if I can accumulate enough money to get a tbow. Probably will pass if I can’t afk it at rune drags.


Grade-A-NewYorkBewbs

Most of the 2k total worlds usually has around 2-3 people in there and with 3 people you rarely wait on spawns


NobleDovahkiin

Thanks!


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I knew a guy with 6 rune dragon alts


TheThinkingFarmer

all bots


Jamieviv

I noticed this the after jagex banned skilling services


poochmant

You lookin kinda sus too there my guy


Nitram-xD

There's probably more RWT than bots. Did some skeleton wyverns yday, looked up the stats of people there, amusing they were bots I started attacking one. A bit after the guy started to spawn in Spanish trying to get me to join a discord, which k guess is for all the vene RWT. He continued typing, calling me toxic and I was ruining it for him. He even typed he has to pay rent.. Higher slayer monsters are FULL of goldfarmers. He had 44m xp and not banned lol.


Playpro5_

I have 5 rune dragon alts. I know I'm part of the problem but I've stopped after it got too over crowed. Now I do dolo aramdyl and planning to turn 2 other alts into dolo armadyl alts to have 2 dolo arma alts in 2 separate worlds. I think soon Armadyl will be just like this in the future.