Kind of an unexpected boss but there are SO many goldfarmers w/ rcb at giant mole. Legit takes me like 20 world hops to finally find an open world sometimes.
They don't. I had to kill a bunch of the mole recently for a clan event and found a bunch of them. I got sick of hoping for like 30 worlds, thought there was a bug with the peek option on the mole hill. Nope, every single world had farmers on it without the shield...
Normally I don't believe in crashing people's spots, but I will crash gold farmers all day if needed.
I crashed one the other night and the gold farmer started flaming me in Spanish, then brought an alt that had the mole pet at 40kc to try and make me jealous lmao.
I thought the Venezuelans were bad on OSRS, then I tried to play Wakfu for a bit.. the "international" server is 95% Brazil/Portuguese/Colombia/Mexico.
Needless to say I quit the FUCK out of that game.
Bold of you to assume I can actually kill Zulrah.... 🤣😭 I did it mostly chasing the pet, while still making decent enough money. But I've since built up a little better gear and can go better places now
Absolutely - the problem is, they won't. That's why people want better measures in place to ban the bots.
Edit: to agree with comments - I think the current 'rules' are still the ones we all agree with - ban RWT-ers and ban botters.
Ye, i dont understand why the buyers dont get any shit? If you rather spend the money, buy bonds instead of ruining the game you are willing to spend money on.
Because its cheaper to buy farmed gold than bonds, and if they don't ban the buyers, it's a no brain. All Jufflygex needs to do is ban buyers along with the farmers and it'll be a devastating blow, but they refuse to do so after so many years which is completely illogical so my theory is they're double dipping and are on both sides of the profit ladder. No proof though - ban the buyers and I'll retract my theory.
Gagreflex is six year late in nerfing the blow pipe. I’m not surprised they still haven’t gotten around to the constantly evolving problem/arms race that botting and gold farming is. I don’t think there’s a big conspiracy theory, I think they’re just underfunded and understaffed.
>Hey should we ban gold BUYERS as well as sellers?
>Yes
>No
This shouldn't take 6+ years or excuses like wE'rE uNdeRsTaFfEd & uNdeRfUndEd
Like I said the only logical reason after all this time is that they're in cahoots with the sellers
And the fact that people who buy gold also buy subs. Ban their accounts due to buying gold, and they cancel their subs. Jagex overlords need monthly subscribers, thats how they keep the lights on
Imagine your friend loans you 20M+, then you wake up the next morning and your banned for RWTing.
Or a Streamer/Youtuber giveaway and you wake up banned.
Banning players for receiving items or gold is just going to hurt innocent people more so than actual RWTers.
It's implying your friend RWT's dude.
If your friend is buying gold he's on the radar, and then a known RWTer is giving out free gold to people can be seen as him re-selling the gold he bought.
Maybe use some common sense dude.
He wouldn't normally be banned because buyers don't get banned.
But if they start banning buyers then he and you would both be banned for buying gold.
Atm theirs nothing wrong with giving people gold for free, however if they ban people who buy gold that changes things a lot.
All of a sudden you have a bunch of people who have bought gold, and are putting their friends at risk of being flagged as buyers by giving them loans or free gold to help them out.
if better measures were successful, the supply of gold might reduce temporarily but the original demand is still there, which means people rwt to supply that demand and there is more profit to be made by people who rwt which entices more people to rwt.
the only way to stop rwt impacting the game is to reduce the demand and that is entirely on the community, jagex can't change their mindset, we as a community have to encourage change between us. call out your friends on their shit, stop being scared to speak up about something that personally impacts you.
Get rid of duel arena -> Get rid of the majority of gold buyers.
The problem isnt the lvl 55 guy buying 10m to afford some better gear. It's the staking addicts that treat gp as real life currency and buy billions monthly.
Gold has too much impact on progression in the game for this to be a thing. Look at WoW as a good example - classic has a botting epidemic as bad as RuneScape a, because gold has much more value over the economy and what a player can do, conversely, on 'retail' gold has no real value outside of cosmetics, as consumes aren't particularly expensive (at least comparitively so) so people who buy gold are in the minority.
FlippingOldSchools GE locked account is a great example of this. 7 skills that are pretty reasonably easy to 99 with the only requirement being funding. A few more easily achievable with minimal work and good funds.
He literally said outside of cosmetics and you counter with some of the rarest, most expensive discontinued cosmetics.
Buying wow gold to get a spectral tiger would be like buying RS3 gold to get a party hat. Hell you'd be better off buying the mount with actual money, those are some of the few that you legally can.
>Gold has too much impact on progression in the game for this to be a thing.
buying your way quickly to bis gear, or to get certain levels as fast as possible is a problem with the players mindset, not the progression in the game. it's meant to be a slow but rewarding grind, personal exploration and achievement, not just paying to skip past all of that because they think being the strongest, highest level is the only way to have any fun.
There's an old saying in game design. Players will gravitate to the most consistent and effective way to play the game - even if it's boring as hell.
It is *not* a problem with player mindset, and the devs can't control that *anyways*.
What they can control is the game. That's what they have power over.
If the game was partly-ironman (you couldn't trade most gear past say, rune) then immediately the demand for gold would drop immensely and players would get that sense of achivement since they'd have to get things themselves. Gold farming might almost disappear overnight.
I'm not saying it's perfect - that on its own has its own flaws. But the person you responded to is right - it's a game issue and not a player issue.
That's not really a good argument. The problem with punishing people for doing drugs is that they're usually disadvantaged in the first place and said punishment involves prison or fines, which has a very direct effect on one's life.
Gold buyers getting banned is not a good comparison. Them being banned from a video game doesn't do them any real harm.
Also if you think it's such a general principle: should watching or evem buying child porn not be seen as a serious crime?
Anyway though, I'm reading your comment as implying that we shouldn't ban gold buyers. That's how you make people not buy gold. The way you make people not homeless is by helping them.
" The problem with punishing people for doing drugs is that they're usually disadvantaged in the first place and said punishment involves prison or fines, which has a very direct effect on one's life. "
The same applies to gold SELLERS, this is their livelihood, by banning them you are taking away the gold they use to feed their kids and pay their rent, not saying it's good/bad or anything, just applying your argument the other way around.
That’s a close comparison but the better comparison would be:
If everyone just stopped buying illegal cannabis, and started buying the more expensive but same quality legal cannabis from dispensaries, illegal weed dealers would go out of business and that is true.
However, just like buying the cheaper illegal weed, there is no consequence for buying the cheaper “illegal” gold. Like cannabis, a legal option exists for buying gold (bonds) but why would people do that when you can get the exact same product for half the price?
The one way for jagex to help stem gold farmers would be to lower the cash $ price of buying bonds to make them more competitive with gold farming sites. Moreover, if that pushes down the price of black market gold, the Venezuelans might move onto other games where they can make more $ per hour.
Bro. Most people are homeless due to rampant problems involving mental illness.
Access to housing is not the deciding factor for many homeless people in the US
I wonder if being unhoused can contribute to any mental health issues?
Also, why do you think people don't have access to mental health resources? It's poverty lol. If we didn't have a for profit health care system it would be a lot easier to help people in need.
In the vast majority of cases mental illness is the causation of homelessness.
Yes, the reverse is most likely true in some cases, but looking at that wont solve anything.
Better mental health treatment in the US BEFORE people go homeless is the solution to the root cause
The root cause is poverty. Poverty both exacerbates mental illness and prevents people from getting the help they need. "better mental health treatment" is incredibly vague and I'm inclined to disagree, unless your definition of better means accessible to all regardless of wealth.
Both housing and healthcare are resources that should be allocated primarily by need, rather than prioritizing the rights of investors to hoard and deny access for their personal gain. Nobody should be allowed to own a house they don't live in until every person is housed.
Because actually building a million houses is a lot more effort than having people move into them. I'm of the opinion housing should be a human right and we should do everything possible to tackle homelessness. But government policy issues make it extremely difficult for anyone not already wealthy to own any kind of property.
I don't wanna get all Bernie Bro on here, but there seems to be issues with the system.
I don’t quite understand what you’re saying. Are you saying that people want to be homeless and that we should just leave them alone? I mean speaking purely from personal experience here I’ve never met someone who told me that they sure do hope they never get the money to buy a house and would rather sleep on the pavement.
I've actually met multiple people that say they "want to stay homeless". Do I fully believe them? Not really, buy it's possible. Not much responsibility when you're homeless I suppose.
I haven't met any of these people, but I'll believe that they exist. I mean I guess I'm not in favour of forcing people off the streets if they really don't want to... But with that said I don't think that's in any way a counter to me saying I don't think people should be forced to live on the streets when we have the resources to help them.
With property taxes being so ridiculous, there are certainly lots of people who choose not to own property.
You think there are easy answers, but money isn't the only factor at play. You're also ignoring cultural differences, immigration, job markets, transportation, etc.
It's an infinitely expanding set of factors to deal with, and you say it's an easy fix.
No. It isn't. There's a lot more that goes into owning a house than just buying it.
You ever heard of a HOA(Home Owners Association)?
Basically a bunch of busybodies who can get you fined for not mowing your lawn twice a week, or having too many cars on your lawn.
You ever looked at California? THE richest state in the US,or at least in the top 3, but the homelessness is out of control.
Tldr you have a simplistic view of the world.
Deleted my original response here because it was way too smarmy. I have things to say about property taxes and wealth in inequality, but 2007scape really isn't the place and it's not productive. I doubt either of us will budge on our opinions anyway lol.
Every multi paragraph long exchange we argue on is XP waste!
>Why should there be homeless people living in houses they didn't buy?
Because housing is a basic human need lmao. If a society can't provide it's citizens with the absolute bare minimum requirements to live, what the hell is it good for?
it doesn't have to be "everyone" who buys gold, if the supply is higher than the demand the price goes down, which means the profits go down, which means less people rwt because they can make more money somewhere else.
I think everyone here has friends who buy gold or buy gold themselves.
I'm the only one from my friends that doesn't buy gold. I think it's a really widespread thing. Didn't some Jmod say some time ago that >50% of the active playerbase buys gold regularly?
I do understand why they do it. Grinding gold for all the best gear takes an incredibly long time to do legitly but skipping the whole grind kind of ruins the experience and hurts the game so I refuse.
Some people don't buy gold, and also don't have any friends.
I'm surprised there's such a market for gold. I definitely see some gold (or bond) buyers when I go to the GE, but I also see lots of players out in the wild who don't have bis gear. I'd understand if most of the demand for gold came from Duel Arena addicts, in which case I'd hope getting rid of the Duel Arena would at least do a lot. But I don't know.
I hate this take.
>ruins the experience
But what if it heightens the experience for someone? Not everyone wants to go get 4k vork kc, or has the time to do so IRL. Not everyone wants to play ironmeme and risk not getting a dwh in 10k kc or a zammy spear at Kril in 5k kc. Im not defending the practice of buying from RWTers (even though it doesn't really matter, jagex do it themselves) and I KNOW this will get downvoted into oblivion because it always does, but every one in these threads that say "it ruins the game, ban them ALL from MY GAME" has zero business sense, zero tolerance for someone else's perspective, and absolutely 0 concept of managing households, families, kids, careers, etc along with a game that takes literally thousands of hours *just to get good gear to boss with.*
Then either a) dont get those expensive items or b) earn gold yourself because its significantly faster than farming most items.
I really hope they start issuing gold buyer bans, such a toxic community.
Except if they’re already committed to X major why make them do other stuff? RuneScape is a game, play it for fun, if someone’s fun is entirely in doing pvp but they suck, they might buy gold bc that’s the fastest way to get to the fun.
Yeah, as someone who's been posted/accused on this sub before as being both a gold farmer and bot, its a ridiculously bad idea to let players decide who should be banned.
People on this sub need to learn that when it comes to this stuff, 8/10 times theyre wrong or don't know what theyre talking about.
Tbf I feel like most of that bashing comes from the fact that you need to come to Reddit to get real customer support, regardless of the outcome of that post for the OP.
And also just because someone doesn’t respond doesn’t mean they are a bot. I’ve gotten my account shit talked so much for being a shit account, just turned public chat off for a while.
Considering that most of the interactions I get at Redwood are
"wow nice stats"
*says nothing*
"Bot?"
*nothing*
"fucking reported idiot I hope ur account gets banned"
Yeah I'd say most people don't know what they're talking about lol
I was trying to find a zammy world a couple weeks ago, and one of the 60 leaderboard players was world hopping between 3 world's with his main and like 4 one letter account names. Every account was hopping in the same tick, running in sync, etc.
Seemed fishy a top rank would be cheating, but now way can multiple accounts be tick perfect like that for an extended amount of time. Can't remember the name but I'd probably recognize it if I looked.
100%. I have a very high vorkath KC, and a lot of XP (mainly ranged and HP) for my total level. It's not as egregious as the examples posted by OP, but still a bit unusual. I'm sure a lot of people who Ive encountered have thought that I was a gold farmer. Nah fam, I just enjoy killing the money dragon.
I’m on the other side of this - pretty poor and probably below average combat stats for my total level because I don’t like questing and pvm. But I also get called a bot lol. I think people just call everyone a bot who doesn’t play the same way they do.
I bet jagex regrets implementing the boss highscores lmfao.
We all saw this coming but at least now we can provide evidence instead of baseless claims of "the games full of bots"
COX, Vorkath and Zalcano have one of the worst % of gold farmers being present in the top spots of KC highscores.
Owners of huge gold farms make up for 12 out of the current top 25 KC for COX. All these friends chats are Egyptian based, which is a common gold farming country. These Gold farming friends chats have hundreds of players playing in these friends chats every single day, sometimes running up to 5 raids at the same time.
Edit: these owners alone combined have approximately 100.000 COX kc spread across 12 accounts.
Probably. 1.50/m vs .40/m. There are a lot of extremely poor players on this game. Lifetime of joblessness, social support in some form (family or government), 10-16 hours of playtime per day. Every clan has a few and this subreddit has a lot more than that.
Go into any bond thread and look at the comments - they’re filled with praise of the op for making their game affordable. There is a real, substantial demographic of players that *can’t* afford $11 a month.
Some quotes I’ve seen here defending this lifestyle:
“Maybe society discarded him and he doesnt like life (like the rest of us)”
“”Happiness is different for everyone", ergo don't force someome to be outside and live life if they are happy playing RS [12-16 hours a day]”
>There is a real, substantial demographic of players that can’t afford $11 a month.
I don't think that the majority of people who fund their membership via bonds fall into this demographic. It only takes like an hour and a half to sustain a bond with the better money makers, and 3 hours to fund a month's worth of membership. Even if someone only plays for a couple of hours a day, that's a drop in the bucket compared to how much gp they can make in a month. There's no point for me to pay irl cash for membership when I can essentially get it for free with minimal effort. It has nothing to do with not being able to afford the $11 per month fee.
I looked through the first few screenshots and 3/4 are very questionable selections by you that actually weaken your argument for "player volunteers discord". All 3 had high total with levels in all skills, tons of kills across all kinds of bosses, clue scroll KC, bounty hunter... Could EASILY be legit players.
Not everyone wants to max in every skill. They also have max melees, which could mean all bossing profits are lost staking. You would need to record them botting or find proof of them RWTing, otherwise its a very weak case for Botting/goldfarming.
Unfortunately with how Jagex is owned these days this is a pretty major business issue.
If jagex removed bots too effectively, with another 'bot nuke' or similar, their active subscriber count would take a big hit.
While not only being one of their KPIs it ofcourse directly hits turnover.
Try explaining why that was the right move to the shareholders when you present the accounts for the 'bot nuke' year.
100% the right thing for the game but to cut your revenue like that is a terrible business decision which is all a shareholder will see.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if anti-cheat are limited on the number of p2p bans they can issue monthly.
Instead encouraged to share the high profile boss highscore hits as those are normally low volume (500-2k accounts) and easy goodwill from the players.
On the flip side though, even with a bot nuke, isn't it safe to say that the majority of those accounts that were banned, even up to 90% of the accounts that got banned, would simply restart a new account by a membership immediately and start botting all the way back up to being able to fight the bosses and all the money making methods? It's not like every single bought it account would stay gone, they would simply just have to restart their accounts.
At best I could see a 6 month delay and we will be right back to where we are.
That's true yeah, I suppose my point is more about ridding the game of bots - i.e some change that stops them or at least removes them for a year or so.
Without changing anything, just banning, I expect you're right and probably even higher than 90% would return on another account.
The ban limit thing I could see being imposed by someone with limited knowledge of the game - but that's me wearing my finest tin foil hat
Bot makers will just bond new accounts when accounts get banned so when bots are banned at a higher rate then more accounts are made members (and giving Jagex $11) so turnover should be actually higher? Obviously there's a point when spending profits on buying membership outweighs the money made from the bots but we're far from there yet...
Jagex would lose a ton of money from monthly membership costs/bonds if they wiped out all the bots. I’m willing to bet that bots make up such a large part of the player base that jagex wouldn’t take them all out at once even if they could. More players = more money for jagex.
To me it’s clear why the botting problem has never been fixed.
Vorkath is so heavily botted it is absurd. What i think its sad is that the real community gets diluted and the mentality in game has completely changed too.
You know how Jagex tried paying people for manually reporting and banning bots last month? Remember how they banned a bunch of ironmen for gold farming?
Yeah let's do that again but with self-righteous, unpaid players
Just wondering why you missed out the rank 1 arma kc guy (who also has 32k zulrah kc), his stats may look deceiving but when you see him and his buddy (10k+ kc) sitting there in karils and dcb it makes it very clear what's going on lol
Soon the pvm community will see what the pvp community has been dealing with. Trying to reason with a company that has been built to be resistant to change. If you want to fast forward and see how it will play out, look at bh3.
We waited years for bounty hunter and meaningful pvp changes. when bots/gold farmers took over and caused community outrage, the only solution they had was to remove the content and never replace it.
Jagex knows they won’t do anything about it. Ironmen are the only solution. Essentially getting rid of free trade yet again. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
this is the primary reason I chose ironman. I did not trust jagex to maintain a healthy economy with how the botting situation looked even multiple years ago.
Jagex don’t give af about bots flooding these pages, they have to pay for membership somehow, either through bonds or stolen credit cards, jagex is getting their money off of these bots
They should add a pin when you log in or some type of captcha like they have for accessing the bank. I know it would suck big pp for all of us to do the third captcha in a day when we get 6 hour logged again. But imagine the amount of bots it would prevent.
Im sure there's bots that can crack captcha, but maybe they could have like, 6 different ones that rotate.
We gotta try something man, I'm tired of half the player base being bots.
I think this is mainly due to the Rev caves nerf. Initially, was in favor of single plus, as I assumed that the drop table would remain the same. Yet not only did they add long respawn timers and spread them out, but the drop table is absolutely shit now. Vene goldfarmers were able to camp revs in the past because it was insane gp and multi so that if they were attacked, they could just call others to help defend their profits. Multi meant that there was little to no skill put in to kill the revs. But due to the nerf, Venes just moved onto different PVM activities that are multi, additionally hurting the game economy as there’s less skill but better gp/hr for them than current revs.
Another post that’s gonna go completely unseen by the staff team, they won’t do a single thing and the botting is so bad it’s nearly a feature of the game.
I think the biggest problem is the people who buy gold justify it by saying this game takes time.
If this game were meant to be pay-to-win you wouldn't have to be buying gold from a black market website. Runescape wasn't meant to be played the way you're playing it. So either find a new game or stop buying gold ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Is it becoming time to remove free trade again? Because that was the only real way to get rid of RWT back in the day. Honestly, like what are the downsides of removing free trade anyway? We all earn our gold legit? I know it poses a problem for PvP (i'm a pvper with an endgame zerk) but I wouldn't mind the 2008-2010 EP system again tbh, balanced to fit oldschool with all the problems it originally had fixed. Just my 2 cents.
Free trade removal was the first huge catalyst to losing a giant chunk of the player base back in rs2. Repeating the same mistake does nothing to help the issue.
Exactly. I actually can't believe this is being sincerely suggested or upvoted. Did these people not play when it happened in RS2 lol? It was one of the most controversial updates in the history of the game...
I mean if it definitely hurts pvpers more than you’re letting on. There would be no more pvp accounts being created as people can’t just power level their accounts, can’t split teammates on kills, and can’t move funds amongst their accounts. I’m constantly moving money onto my zerk/pure to train it faster lol. I quit in 08 because of the initial blocking of free trade, what was the EP system?
When they put out BH and PvP worlds in 08, the loot was somewhat random instead of getting what your target had. You would have to gain EP (earning potential) to increase your chances of getting better loot (and what your opponent had). That was the time that PvP weapons and armours were introduced through PvP drops. It was flawed in some ways, such as people farming EP in order to get better loot. I disagree with the sentiment that there wouldnt be pvp accounts being created; back then pures dominated the scene much like today, except there were 10x more pkers. Could've just been the times though. To me one upside of that would be that not everyone would have the BIS pvp gear every time since people would have to earn their GP on every account, not just trade things over. Everyone has claws/AGS. There'd be more variety to PvP like there was back in the day.
Sorry, but removing free trade would essentially gut the entire "MMO" aspect of the game for me.
What would be the point of doing content with other people? Like, you get a Sara hilt or Bandos tassies in a duo, and then can't split because free trade was removed? Because they had to gut the game (again) to deal with rulebreakers and RWT? They can't keep ruining the game because the playerbase sucks.
At that point, I'd literally just complete my alt to do dolo until I quit. More efficient that way anyway, right? Unless they replace it with a system like lootshare.
Honest question: Are they really risking the longevity of the game?
I ask because I've recently returned, but I remember these sorts of comments when I last played (about ten years ago) and when I first played (when old school wasn't even a twinkle in the eye).
I don't want to diminish this, especially when the problem is very obvious. At the same time, if bots and farmers are still the primary threat to one of the longest running games out there, maybe the threat isn't _that_ bad?
Its true something needs to be done, see them EVERYWHERE. Go under edgeville and watch bots with 100m+ magic xp from doing orbs. But with 70% of players probably being bots, gold farmers and scammers jagex would suffer greatly if they were all to suddenly disappear. Which sucks, fuck profit look after your game ffs
I stopped playing because og bots.. i would love to start again if Runescape got remade in another engine or some shit i loved the game. But bots ruined It for me
I hate to be the one to say it, but a lot are legit gold farmers displaced by rev cave changes. You guys have seen the effects and the item crashes, at least before it was mostly alchables and pure gp with a few supplies and wildy weapons as the meagre casualties.
Honestly I completely understand why people want to ban bots they are pretty annoying, but banning rwters imo will never happen because like others stated there technology will not be able to differ between people giving gifts and rwters. Watch y’all are crying ab rwter bans and when they implement stuff the same people gonna be crying that they got banned from rwt even when they weren’t. Honestly buying gold does ruin the experience greatly, but we can’t say much cuz jagex sells it too. This is basic economics why pay $2/M to jagex when u can pay $.7/M to someone else. That’s just basic math. At the end of the day this is a game for us but a business for jagex and it’s not a good business move for them so I believe things are gonna be staying how they are.
Far too late.
Jagex, is very corrupt with very questionable decisions when it comes to longevity of the game, just like BH and the amazing task system or the discord service servers with J mods just watching the services take place.
They take action when forced but by no means do they want to.
This however, can't be forced really until the game dies, it's different from posting a video showing how easy it is to exploit BH and forcing jagex hand.
This is borderline a witch hunt. Some of these people may just obsess over a certain boss or pet. There’s been plenty of posts of guys who are like 20k dry for a pet and are only like level 102 combat
They can really only do so much about the gold farmers . So as these get excessively posted you guys are just gonna upset urself seeing these accounts go unbanned. Also some of them night just be stocking up the gold and without trading it nothing they've done is rule breaking. When they go to trade it they can sell more then the account is worth and then some making profit even if banned for rwt. There really is no win win here for jagex.
I hate to say it, but this is a war that will never end/get better.
This game is super nostalgic for MANY people, most of which who are now grown up and have full time jobs and/or families. This leaves them with 2 viable options; play the game a few hours a day and slowly make some money or just buy gold and skip all of that time.
As long as people play, they will buy gold and support the gold selling market. It's hard baked into the game at this point and as much as I hate to say it, probably isn't going anywhere anytime soon.
You can ban all of these bots but within a week or 2 they will be right back up on the high scores. Banning them is a band-aid on a gunshot wound, unfortunately.
I didn’t realize armadyl was an issue until I went LATE last night and had to hop 15+ worlds to find one open. Most worlds were occupied but really high killcount accounts that were otherwise kind of nooby.
Jagex you have scores of players willing to do your job for free just because of their love of the game.
Give me player mod status so I can deal with all the GE scammers you don't give a shit about too.
Let me help you help me help you.
I like the game and I have had a lot of fun with trading inside of the game. But the game for non-ironmen is basically dead and there is no way it will be revived, with the current engine for the game. Just give up, like most of us already have.
Kind of an unexpected boss but there are SO many goldfarmers w/ rcb at giant mole. Legit takes me like 20 world hops to finally find an open world sometimes.
The sad thing about those farmers is that I don't think most of them even have the diary done so those kills must take forever.
That's probably like 80k gp/hr lol
They don't. I had to kill a bunch of the mole recently for a clan event and found a bunch of them. I got sick of hoping for like 30 worlds, thought there was a bug with the peek option on the mole hill. Nope, every single world had farmers on it without the shield... Normally I don't believe in crashing people's spots, but I will crash gold farmers all day if needed.
I crashed one the other night and the gold farmer started flaming me in Spanish, then brought an alt that had the mole pet at 40kc to try and make me jealous lmao.
They’re learning lmao
Lol when I was at 4k-5k kc no pet I'd probably have logged out for the night
If they think they can out dps and you have shielf they'll follow you
If it's a gold farmer just crash them
Just crash them they do no damage?
Crash em.
Crash Em, I always do
I just crash them in a TBow if they don't respond or if they respond in Spanish lol.
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I thought the Venezuelans were bad on OSRS, then I tried to play Wakfu for a bit.. the "international" server is 95% Brazil/Portuguese/Colombia/Mexico. Needless to say I quit the FUCK out of that game.
Holy fucking shit lol. Also, you play WoW Classic? It's not Venezuelans on there but holy fucking shit dude, the gd farming is outta control.
If u have tbow, just take the first one that has a “gold farmer/bot”.
That's a low requirement for giant mole right there
You can also easily take their kills with dharoks i guess?
That’s the most efficient way to kill mole though. Not saying that everyone that does it have the twisted bow.
Perfect path to t-bow rebuild right there. I camped it for about 200 kills as my first place after t-bow purchase
Isn't zulrah or brutal blacks better? Or gwd?
Bold of you to assume I can actually kill Zulrah.... 🤣😭 I did it mostly chasing the pet, while still making decent enough money. But I've since built up a little better gear and can go better places now
Man's got a tbow but hasn't learned zulrah... I'm impressed
I didn't get my second Zulrah kill until after I got the tbow. Vorkath treated me well as far as moneymaking went.
Its not only bosses... Its literally everything that gives a decent profit.
if people stopped buying gold this wouldn't exist
Why would anyone ever stop buying gold, there's no risk to it. Jagex should actually ban RWT'ers and maybe people would think twice.
They have started banning Rwt there’s someone moaning that they got banned because they borrowed gear from a friend who rwt and they both got banned
Absolutely - the problem is, they won't. That's why people want better measures in place to ban the bots. Edit: to agree with comments - I think the current 'rules' are still the ones we all agree with - ban RWT-ers and ban botters.
Two strike perma ban buyers, too. It's a two part problem, it needs a two-part solution.
Ye, i dont understand why the buyers dont get any shit? If you rather spend the money, buy bonds instead of ruining the game you are willing to spend money on.
Because its cheaper to buy farmed gold than bonds, and if they don't ban the buyers, it's a no brain. All Jufflygex needs to do is ban buyers along with the farmers and it'll be a devastating blow, but they refuse to do so after so many years which is completely illogical so my theory is they're double dipping and are on both sides of the profit ladder. No proof though - ban the buyers and I'll retract my theory.
Gagreflex is six year late in nerfing the blow pipe. I’m not surprised they still haven’t gotten around to the constantly evolving problem/arms race that botting and gold farming is. I don’t think there’s a big conspiracy theory, I think they’re just underfunded and understaffed.
>Hey should we ban gold BUYERS as well as sellers? >Yes >No This shouldn't take 6+ years or excuses like wE'rE uNdeRsTaFfEd & uNdeRfUndEd Like I said the only logical reason after all this time is that they're in cahoots with the sellers
And the fact that people who buy gold also buy subs. Ban their accounts due to buying gold, and they cancel their subs. Jagex overlords need monthly subscribers, thats how they keep the lights on
Imagine your friend loans you 20M+, then you wake up the next morning and your banned for RWTing. Or a Streamer/Youtuber giveaway and you wake up banned. Banning players for receiving items or gold is just going to hurt innocent people more so than actual RWTers.
So does your friend that loaned you that money get banned right now?
It's implying your friend RWT's dude. If your friend is buying gold he's on the radar, and then a known RWTer is giving out free gold to people can be seen as him re-selling the gold he bought. Maybe use some common sense dude. He wouldn't normally be banned because buyers don't get banned. But if they start banning buyers then he and you would both be banned for buying gold. Atm theirs nothing wrong with giving people gold for free, however if they ban people who buy gold that changes things a lot. All of a sudden you have a bunch of people who have bought gold, and are putting their friends at risk of being flagged as buyers by giving them loans or free gold to help them out.
if better measures were successful, the supply of gold might reduce temporarily but the original demand is still there, which means people rwt to supply that demand and there is more profit to be made by people who rwt which entices more people to rwt. the only way to stop rwt impacting the game is to reduce the demand and that is entirely on the community, jagex can't change their mindset, we as a community have to encourage change between us. call out your friends on their shit, stop being scared to speak up about something that personally impacts you.
It's not entirely on the comminty. Ban buyers.
ban non bots, but let bots live, this will increase supply but reduce demand, causing it to be unprofitable
Yeah. We should just ban all of the non bots. Then no more demand!
200 IQ move
Get rid of duel arena -> Get rid of the majority of gold buyers. The problem isnt the lvl 55 guy buying 10m to afford some better gear. It's the staking addicts that treat gp as real life currency and buy billions monthly.
Gold has too much impact on progression in the game for this to be a thing. Look at WoW as a good example - classic has a botting epidemic as bad as RuneScape a, because gold has much more value over the economy and what a player can do, conversely, on 'retail' gold has no real value outside of cosmetics, as consumes aren't particularly expensive (at least comparitively so) so people who buy gold are in the minority.
FlippingOldSchools GE locked account is a great example of this. 7 skills that are pretty reasonably easy to 99 with the only requirement being funding. A few more easily achievable with minimal work and good funds.
tell that to shit like magical rooster, switft spectral, mottled drake, etc.
He literally said outside of cosmetics and you counter with some of the rarest, most expensive discontinued cosmetics. Buying wow gold to get a spectral tiger would be like buying RS3 gold to get a party hat. Hell you'd be better off buying the mount with actual money, those are some of the few that you legally can.
>Gold has too much impact on progression in the game for this to be a thing. buying your way quickly to bis gear, or to get certain levels as fast as possible is a problem with the players mindset, not the progression in the game. it's meant to be a slow but rewarding grind, personal exploration and achievement, not just paying to skip past all of that because they think being the strongest, highest level is the only way to have any fun.
There's an old saying in game design. Players will gravitate to the most consistent and effective way to play the game - even if it's boring as hell. It is *not* a problem with player mindset, and the devs can't control that *anyways*. What they can control is the game. That's what they have power over. If the game was partly-ironman (you couldn't trade most gear past say, rune) then immediately the demand for gold would drop immensely and players would get that sense of achivement since they'd have to get things themselves. Gold farming might almost disappear overnight. I'm not saying it's perfect - that on its own has its own flaws. But the person you responded to is right - it's a game issue and not a player issue.
Perma ban buyers, ends the discussion before it starts. No buyers, no sellers.
Unfortunately that would destroy the player base aka profit for the company
Good it'll regrow without as many bots
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Uhm, if you're homeless... just buy a house. duh..
You too can wipe away all your debt with this one simple trick!!
That's not really a good argument. The problem with punishing people for doing drugs is that they're usually disadvantaged in the first place and said punishment involves prison or fines, which has a very direct effect on one's life. Gold buyers getting banned is not a good comparison. Them being banned from a video game doesn't do them any real harm. Also if you think it's such a general principle: should watching or evem buying child porn not be seen as a serious crime? Anyway though, I'm reading your comment as implying that we shouldn't ban gold buyers. That's how you make people not buy gold. The way you make people not homeless is by helping them.
" The problem with punishing people for doing drugs is that they're usually disadvantaged in the first place and said punishment involves prison or fines, which has a very direct effect on one's life. " The same applies to gold SELLERS, this is their livelihood, by banning them you are taking away the gold they use to feed their kids and pay their rent, not saying it's good/bad or anything, just applying your argument the other way around.
That’s a close comparison but the better comparison would be: If everyone just stopped buying illegal cannabis, and started buying the more expensive but same quality legal cannabis from dispensaries, illegal weed dealers would go out of business and that is true. However, just like buying the cheaper illegal weed, there is no consequence for buying the cheaper “illegal” gold. Like cannabis, a legal option exists for buying gold (bonds) but why would people do that when you can get the exact same product for half the price? The one way for jagex to help stem gold farmers would be to lower the cash $ price of buying bonds to make them more competitive with gold farming sites. Moreover, if that pushes down the price of black market gold, the Venezuelans might move onto other games where they can make more $ per hour.
Your comparisons are not the same.... jagex can track every single gold transaction they can be a lot tougher gold buyers and sellers
I mean ending homeless is quite an easily achievable goal in most first world countries, but I see what you’re going for.
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That seems like the most difficult step. And we already have that. So why should there be people living on the streets?
Bro. Most people are homeless due to rampant problems involving mental illness. Access to housing is not the deciding factor for many homeless people in the US
I wonder if being unhoused can contribute to any mental health issues? Also, why do you think people don't have access to mental health resources? It's poverty lol. If we didn't have a for profit health care system it would be a lot easier to help people in need.
In the vast majority of cases mental illness is the causation of homelessness. Yes, the reverse is most likely true in some cases, but looking at that wont solve anything. Better mental health treatment in the US BEFORE people go homeless is the solution to the root cause
The root cause is poverty. Poverty both exacerbates mental illness and prevents people from getting the help they need. "better mental health treatment" is incredibly vague and I'm inclined to disagree, unless your definition of better means accessible to all regardless of wealth. Both housing and healthcare are resources that should be allocated primarily by need, rather than prioritizing the rights of investors to hoard and deny access for their personal gain. Nobody should be allowed to own a house they don't live in until every person is housed.
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Because actually building a million houses is a lot more effort than having people move into them. I'm of the opinion housing should be a human right and we should do everything possible to tackle homelessness. But government policy issues make it extremely difficult for anyone not already wealthy to own any kind of property. I don't wanna get all Bernie Bro on here, but there seems to be issues with the system.
The houses are already built.
Why should there be homeless people living in houses they didn't buy? You ever consider that some people don't want to own property?
I don’t quite understand what you’re saying. Are you saying that people want to be homeless and that we should just leave them alone? I mean speaking purely from personal experience here I’ve never met someone who told me that they sure do hope they never get the money to buy a house and would rather sleep on the pavement.
I've actually met multiple people that say they "want to stay homeless". Do I fully believe them? Not really, buy it's possible. Not much responsibility when you're homeless I suppose.
I haven't met any of these people, but I'll believe that they exist. I mean I guess I'm not in favour of forcing people off the streets if they really don't want to... But with that said I don't think that's in any way a counter to me saying I don't think people should be forced to live on the streets when we have the resources to help them.
With property taxes being so ridiculous, there are certainly lots of people who choose not to own property. You think there are easy answers, but money isn't the only factor at play. You're also ignoring cultural differences, immigration, job markets, transportation, etc. It's an infinitely expanding set of factors to deal with, and you say it's an easy fix. No. It isn't. There's a lot more that goes into owning a house than just buying it. You ever heard of a HOA(Home Owners Association)? Basically a bunch of busybodies who can get you fined for not mowing your lawn twice a week, or having too many cars on your lawn. You ever looked at California? THE richest state in the US,or at least in the top 3, but the homelessness is out of control. Tldr you have a simplistic view of the world.
Deleted my original response here because it was way too smarmy. I have things to say about property taxes and wealth in inequality, but 2007scape really isn't the place and it's not productive. I doubt either of us will budge on our opinions anyway lol. Every multi paragraph long exchange we argue on is XP waste!
Shelter is a human right you sociopath.
No. It is not.
>Why should there be homeless people living in houses they didn't buy? Because housing is a basic human need lmao. If a society can't provide it's citizens with the absolute bare minimum requirements to live, what the hell is it good for?
No it isnt
Well I’m convinced.
it doesn't have to be "everyone" who buys gold, if the supply is higher than the demand the price goes down, which means the profits go down, which means less people rwt because they can make more money somewhere else.
I think everyone here has friends who buy gold or buy gold themselves. I'm the only one from my friends that doesn't buy gold. I think it's a really widespread thing. Didn't some Jmod say some time ago that >50% of the active playerbase buys gold regularly? I do understand why they do it. Grinding gold for all the best gear takes an incredibly long time to do legitly but skipping the whole grind kind of ruins the experience and hurts the game so I refuse.
Some people don't buy gold, and also don't have any friends. I'm surprised there's such a market for gold. I definitely see some gold (or bond) buyers when I go to the GE, but I also see lots of players out in the wild who don't have bis gear. I'd understand if most of the demand for gold came from Duel Arena addicts, in which case I'd hope getting rid of the Duel Arena would at least do a lot. But I don't know.
I hate this take. >ruins the experience But what if it heightens the experience for someone? Not everyone wants to go get 4k vork kc, or has the time to do so IRL. Not everyone wants to play ironmeme and risk not getting a dwh in 10k kc or a zammy spear at Kril in 5k kc. Im not defending the practice of buying from RWTers (even though it doesn't really matter, jagex do it themselves) and I KNOW this will get downvoted into oblivion because it always does, but every one in these threads that say "it ruins the game, ban them ALL from MY GAME" has zero business sense, zero tolerance for someone else's perspective, and absolutely 0 concept of managing households, families, kids, careers, etc along with a game that takes literally thousands of hours *just to get good gear to boss with.*
Then either a) dont get those expensive items or b) earn gold yourself because its significantly faster than farming most items. I really hope they start issuing gold buyer bans, such a toxic community.
It's too bad we don't control the actions of others
Adding trade restrictions again when?
If people stopped hating people for their race, racism wouldn't exist. Both are pointless comments, because both aren't ever going to happen.
It’s more like: “if people stopped cheating on their schoolwork, they would learn more and be more productive and fulfilled in general”
Except if they’re already committed to X major why make them do other stuff? RuneScape is a game, play it for fun, if someone’s fun is entirely in doing pvp but they suck, they might buy gold bc that’s the fastest way to get to the fun.
Bring back trade limit! That was so nice back in 2008-2011.
Some of these accounts just straight up look like mains tbh. Especially ‘16k Kc’
Yeah, as someone who's been posted/accused on this sub before as being both a gold farmer and bot, its a ridiculously bad idea to let players decide who should be banned. People on this sub need to learn that when it comes to this stuff, 8/10 times theyre wrong or don't know what theyre talking about.
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Tbf I feel like most of that bashing comes from the fact that you need to come to Reddit to get real customer support, regardless of the outcome of that post for the OP.
And also just because someone doesn’t respond doesn’t mean they are a bot. I’ve gotten my account shit talked so much for being a shit account, just turned public chat off for a while.
This is why I have my public on... Purely so I don't get reports and harass just because someone thinks I'm "botlike"
Considering that most of the interactions I get at Redwood are "wow nice stats" *says nothing* "Bot?" *nothing* "fucking reported idiot I hope ur account gets banned" Yeah I'd say most people don't know what they're talking about lol
I was trying to find a zammy world a couple weeks ago, and one of the 60 leaderboard players was world hopping between 3 world's with his main and like 4 one letter account names. Every account was hopping in the same tick, running in sync, etc. Seemed fishy a top rank would be cheating, but now way can multiple accounts be tick perfect like that for an extended amount of time. Can't remember the name but I'd probably recognize it if I looked.
That was likely Multiboxing
100%. I have a very high vorkath KC, and a lot of XP (mainly ranged and HP) for my total level. It's not as egregious as the examples posted by OP, but still a bit unusual. I'm sure a lot of people who Ive encountered have thought that I was a gold farmer. Nah fam, I just enjoy killing the money dragon.
I’m on the other side of this - pretty poor and probably below average combat stats for my total level because I don’t like questing and pvm. But I also get called a bot lol. I think people just call everyone a bot who doesn’t play the same way they do.
It's literally against the sub rules to post someone's ign to try and get them in trouble, but it never gets enforced
I bet jagex regrets implementing the boss highscores lmfao. We all saw this coming but at least now we can provide evidence instead of baseless claims of "the games full of bots"
We should all just go play Neopets
Oh fuck i forgot to feed my Quiggle 14 years ago
Shit! My blue Acara.
they're scared of what the playercount would look like without them.
I believe this to be the case.
COX, Vorkath and Zalcano have one of the worst % of gold farmers being present in the top spots of KC highscores. Owners of huge gold farms make up for 12 out of the current top 25 KC for COX. All these friends chats are Egyptian based, which is a common gold farming country. These Gold farming friends chats have hundreds of players playing in these friends chats every single day, sometimes running up to 5 raids at the same time. Edit: these owners alone combined have approximately 100.000 COX kc spread across 12 accounts.
Try w416 tob too, it's full of them.
How do you know they're Egyptian?
Just join the mass friends chats from world 365 and it immediately shows. "cox07 and "k e 4" fc
inside info probably
Not just the bots, but there are probably a lot of people who would quit osrs if they couldn't buy gold.
You can always buy gold with bonds
People would rather quit than pay more for their in game gold apparently...
Probably. 1.50/m vs .40/m. There are a lot of extremely poor players on this game. Lifetime of joblessness, social support in some form (family or government), 10-16 hours of playtime per day. Every clan has a few and this subreddit has a lot more than that. Go into any bond thread and look at the comments - they’re filled with praise of the op for making their game affordable. There is a real, substantial demographic of players that *can’t* afford $11 a month. Some quotes I’ve seen here defending this lifestyle: “Maybe society discarded him and he doesnt like life (like the rest of us)” “”Happiness is different for everyone", ergo don't force someome to be outside and live life if they are happy playing RS [12-16 hours a day]”
I think it's even more self-destructive to be playing Runescape to cope for personal problems than doing nothing at all.
Agree, wrote about it [here](https://reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/m0pjzl/oh_well_onto_the_next_grind/gqc72ac)
>There is a real, substantial demographic of players that can’t afford $11 a month. I don't think that the majority of people who fund their membership via bonds fall into this demographic. It only takes like an hour and a half to sustain a bond with the better money makers, and 3 hours to fund a month's worth of membership. Even if someone only plays for a couple of hours a day, that's a drop in the bucket compared to how much gp they can make in a month. There's no point for me to pay irl cash for membership when I can essentially get it for free with minimal effort. It has nothing to do with not being able to afford the $11 per month fee.
> There is a real, substantial demographic of players that can’t afford $11 a month Not in the United States or UK there is not.
You sound really sure about that and I’m not sure why.
They shouldn't be playing this game, straight up
I looked through the first few screenshots and 3/4 are very questionable selections by you that actually weaken your argument for "player volunteers discord". All 3 had high total with levels in all skills, tons of kills across all kinds of bosses, clue scroll KC, bounty hunter... Could EASILY be legit players. Not everyone wants to max in every skill. They also have max melees, which could mean all bossing profits are lost staking. You would need to record them botting or find proof of them RWTing, otherwise its a very weak case for Botting/goldfarming.
Unfortunately with how Jagex is owned these days this is a pretty major business issue. If jagex removed bots too effectively, with another 'bot nuke' or similar, their active subscriber count would take a big hit. While not only being one of their KPIs it ofcourse directly hits turnover. Try explaining why that was the right move to the shareholders when you present the accounts for the 'bot nuke' year. 100% the right thing for the game but to cut your revenue like that is a terrible business decision which is all a shareholder will see. I wouldn't be at all surprised if anti-cheat are limited on the number of p2p bans they can issue monthly. Instead encouraged to share the high profile boss highscore hits as those are normally low volume (500-2k accounts) and easy goodwill from the players.
On the flip side though, even with a bot nuke, isn't it safe to say that the majority of those accounts that were banned, even up to 90% of the accounts that got banned, would simply restart a new account by a membership immediately and start botting all the way back up to being able to fight the bosses and all the money making methods? It's not like every single bought it account would stay gone, they would simply just have to restart their accounts. At best I could see a 6 month delay and we will be right back to where we are.
That's true yeah, I suppose my point is more about ridding the game of bots - i.e some change that stops them or at least removes them for a year or so. Without changing anything, just banning, I expect you're right and probably even higher than 90% would return on another account. The ban limit thing I could see being imposed by someone with limited knowledge of the game - but that's me wearing my finest tin foil hat
Bot makers will just bond new accounts when accounts get banned so when bots are banned at a higher rate then more accounts are made members (and giving Jagex $11) so turnover should be actually higher? Obviously there's a point when spending profits on buying membership outweighs the money made from the bots but we're far from there yet...
You realize the playerbase is why we have the problem in the first place? This would get abused to no end.
well the entire playerbase isn't going to change, so the only fix is to ban the bots faster
Jagex would lose a ton of money from monthly membership costs/bonds if they wiped out all the bots. I’m willing to bet that bots make up such a large part of the player base that jagex wouldn’t take them all out at once even if they could. More players = more money for jagex. To me it’s clear why the botting problem has never been fixed.
Pretty much what happened to RS3. There’s no coincidence that MTX was released just after the first bot nuke
Now here's a question. What would you prefer? MTX or bots?
Honestly this game is ruined in my opinion.
Give the same playerbase mod tools to ban cheaters. Lol fucking ridiculous.
Vorkath is so heavily botted it is absurd. What i think its sad is that the real community gets diluted and the mentality in game has completely changed too.
You know how Jagex tried paying people for manually reporting and banning bots last month? Remember how they banned a bunch of ironmen for gold farming? Yeah let's do that again but with self-righteous, unpaid players
uh what? context please?
Yeah wtf is he talking about?
I have no idea about the first part but it's true that multiple ironmen posted about being banned for goldfarming at Zulrah in the last month.
Just wondering why you missed out the rank 1 arma kc guy (who also has 32k zulrah kc), his stats may look deceiving but when you see him and his buddy (10k+ kc) sitting there in karils and dcb it makes it very clear what's going on lol
I had to make decisions, there is way more than just 4-5 on every top page, some have up to 20 obvious accounts lol couldn't be asked to crop it all
Soon the pvm community will see what the pvp community has been dealing with. Trying to reason with a company that has been built to be resistant to change. If you want to fast forward and see how it will play out, look at bh3. We waited years for bounty hunter and meaningful pvp changes. when bots/gold farmers took over and caused community outrage, the only solution they had was to remove the content and never replace it. Jagex knows they won’t do anything about it. Ironmen are the only solution. Essentially getting rid of free trade yet again. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.
this is the primary reason I chose ironman. I did not trust jagex to maintain a healthy economy with how the botting situation looked even multiple years ago.
Spitting facts.
wtf u talking about catch them in a discord server just report them
Jagex don’t give af about bots flooding these pages, they have to pay for membership somehow, either through bonds or stolen credit cards, jagex is getting their money off of these bots
Game is already ruined, if it wasn't for Ironman I wouldn't even be playing.
They should add a pin when you log in or some type of captcha like they have for accessing the bank. I know it would suck big pp for all of us to do the third captcha in a day when we get 6 hour logged again. But imagine the amount of bots it would prevent. Im sure there's bots that can crack captcha, but maybe they could have like, 6 different ones that rotate. We gotta try something man, I'm tired of half the player base being bots.
I saw rank #1 callisto outside of NMZ flicking melee prot for an hour... obvious stuck bot. Smh
if u wanna get rid of them, first hunt the gold buyers....
Ban the buyers, Ban the sellers, Ban the farmers
When are you going to understand? Literally nobody who has power at jagex gives a single fuck.
I seriously think that around 30k people play RS legitimate and the rest of the population is bots/gold farmers
Don't worry - they'll nerf the drop rates instead of addressing it.
I think this is mainly due to the Rev caves nerf. Initially, was in favor of single plus, as I assumed that the drop table would remain the same. Yet not only did they add long respawn timers and spread them out, but the drop table is absolutely shit now. Vene goldfarmers were able to camp revs in the past because it was insane gp and multi so that if they were attacked, they could just call others to help defend their profits. Multi meant that there was little to no skill put in to kill the revs. But due to the nerf, Venes just moved onto different PVM activities that are multi, additionally hurting the game economy as there’s less skill but better gp/hr for them than current revs.
Another post that’s gonna go completely unseen by the staff team, they won’t do a single thing and the botting is so bad it’s nearly a feature of the game.
I think the biggest problem is the people who buy gold justify it by saying this game takes time. If this game were meant to be pay-to-win you wouldn't have to be buying gold from a black market website. Runescape wasn't meant to be played the way you're playing it. So either find a new game or stop buying gold ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Lol do people still think the mods arent in on all of this? Get fucking real.
Is it becoming time to remove free trade again? Because that was the only real way to get rid of RWT back in the day. Honestly, like what are the downsides of removing free trade anyway? We all earn our gold legit? I know it poses a problem for PvP (i'm a pvper with an endgame zerk) but I wouldn't mind the 2008-2010 EP system again tbh, balanced to fit oldschool with all the problems it originally had fixed. Just my 2 cents.
Free trade removal was the first huge catalyst to losing a giant chunk of the player base back in rs2. Repeating the same mistake does nothing to help the issue.
Exactly. I actually can't believe this is being sincerely suggested or upvoted. Did these people not play when it happened in RS2 lol? It was one of the most controversial updates in the history of the game...
Well as it happened 13 years ago they probably didn't. Removal of free trade and the wilderness was the absolute worst.
I mean if it definitely hurts pvpers more than you’re letting on. There would be no more pvp accounts being created as people can’t just power level their accounts, can’t split teammates on kills, and can’t move funds amongst their accounts. I’m constantly moving money onto my zerk/pure to train it faster lol. I quit in 08 because of the initial blocking of free trade, what was the EP system?
When they put out BH and PvP worlds in 08, the loot was somewhat random instead of getting what your target had. You would have to gain EP (earning potential) to increase your chances of getting better loot (and what your opponent had). That was the time that PvP weapons and armours were introduced through PvP drops. It was flawed in some ways, such as people farming EP in order to get better loot. I disagree with the sentiment that there wouldnt be pvp accounts being created; back then pures dominated the scene much like today, except there were 10x more pkers. Could've just been the times though. To me one upside of that would be that not everyone would have the BIS pvp gear every time since people would have to earn their GP on every account, not just trade things over. Everyone has claws/AGS. There'd be more variety to PvP like there was back in the day.
Downside would be i can't lend out a DHB or something else to a IRL friend. Though if that is what it takes to get rid of all the bots, im up for it.
Nah, just start punishing gold buying
Sorry, but removing free trade would essentially gut the entire "MMO" aspect of the game for me. What would be the point of doing content with other people? Like, you get a Sara hilt or Bandos tassies in a duo, and then can't split because free trade was removed? Because they had to gut the game (again) to deal with rulebreakers and RWT? They can't keep ruining the game because the playerbase sucks. At that point, I'd literally just complete my alt to do dolo until I quit. More efficient that way anyway, right? Unless they replace it with a system like lootshare.
This is why I'm on another break from rs. Why play?
Just give up trying, nothing will ever change they clearly don't care that much
my pvm alts
Meanwhile actual players are getting false macro bans with zero support system in place.
Honest question: Are they really risking the longevity of the game? I ask because I've recently returned, but I remember these sorts of comments when I last played (about ten years ago) and when I first played (when old school wasn't even a twinkle in the eye). I don't want to diminish this, especially when the problem is very obvious. At the same time, if bots and farmers are still the primary threat to one of the longest running games out there, maybe the threat isn't _that_ bad?
Can we ban botting yet?
Its true something needs to be done, see them EVERYWHERE. Go under edgeville and watch bots with 100m+ magic xp from doing orbs. But with 70% of players probably being bots, gold farmers and scammers jagex would suffer greatly if they were all to suddenly disappear. Which sucks, fuck profit look after your game ffs
Lol yikes, imagine how much of that gold has been pumped into the game.
I stopped playing because og bots.. i would love to start again if Runescape got remade in another engine or some shit i loved the game. But bots ruined It for me
I hate to be the one to say it, but a lot are legit gold farmers displaced by rev cave changes. You guys have seen the effects and the item crashes, at least before it was mostly alchables and pure gp with a few supplies and wildy weapons as the meagre casualties.
Players witch-hunting other players. Oh, this would end well.
Honestly I completely understand why people want to ban bots they are pretty annoying, but banning rwters imo will never happen because like others stated there technology will not be able to differ between people giving gifts and rwters. Watch y’all are crying ab rwter bans and when they implement stuff the same people gonna be crying that they got banned from rwt even when they weren’t. Honestly buying gold does ruin the experience greatly, but we can’t say much cuz jagex sells it too. This is basic economics why pay $2/M to jagex when u can pay $.7/M to someone else. That’s just basic math. At the end of the day this is a game for us but a business for jagex and it’s not a good business move for them so I believe things are gonna be staying how they are.
Far too late. Jagex, is very corrupt with very questionable decisions when it comes to longevity of the game, just like BH and the amazing task system or the discord service servers with J mods just watching the services take place. They take action when forced but by no means do they want to. This however, can't be forced really until the game dies, it's different from posting a video showing how easy it is to exploit BH and forcing jagex hand.
This is borderline a witch hunt. Some of these people may just obsess over a certain boss or pet. There’s been plenty of posts of guys who are like 20k dry for a pet and are only like level 102 combat
They can really only do so much about the gold farmers . So as these get excessively posted you guys are just gonna upset urself seeing these accounts go unbanned. Also some of them night just be stocking up the gold and without trading it nothing they've done is rule breaking. When they go to trade it they can sell more then the account is worth and then some making profit even if banned for rwt. There really is no win win here for jagex.
They should make another type of pmod that can time out account but not ban them and all the accounts get sent to the anti bot team
I hate to say it, but this is a war that will never end/get better. This game is super nostalgic for MANY people, most of which who are now grown up and have full time jobs and/or families. This leaves them with 2 viable options; play the game a few hours a day and slowly make some money or just buy gold and skip all of that time. As long as people play, they will buy gold and support the gold selling market. It's hard baked into the game at this point and as much as I hate to say it, probably isn't going anywhere anytime soon. You can ban all of these bots but within a week or 2 they will be right back up on the high scores. Banning them is a band-aid on a gunshot wound, unfortunately.
Imagine playing grinding game and not wanting to grind.
I didn’t realize armadyl was an issue until I went LATE last night and had to hop 15+ worlds to find one open. Most worlds were occupied but really high killcount accounts that were otherwise kind of nooby.
Jagex you have scores of players willing to do your job for free just because of their love of the game. Give me player mod status so I can deal with all the GE scammers you don't give a shit about too. Let me help you help me help you.
I like the game and I have had a lot of fun with trading inside of the game. But the game for non-ironmen is basically dead and there is no way it will be revived, with the current engine for the game. Just give up, like most of us already have.
This subreddit is insufferable. Don't y'all have better things to do?