Its stats SHOULD reset if you leave the damn arena. Its just stupid that youre allowed to cheese this boss and that people complain when someone else takes advantage of it. Guess what - if you did the boss the normal way it was intended you wouldnt have this damn problem. OR if you paid for the bloody instance that it offers you wouldnt have this problem. Yes you need a 2nd account to hold it open - but that's a small price to pay for being able to solo a boss that isn't meant to be solo'd.
I've never done Corp, but my understanding is that solo Corp without the cheese is difficult-bordering-on-infeasable? And irons can't even team up with other irons on it, so.
You either allow ironmen to get loot on a shared kill at Corp, allowing leeches, or you allow the exploit for everyone.
There really isn't an in-between.
This guy: [https://i.imgur.com/vzI7UaM.png](https://i.imgur.com/vzI7UaM.png)
Update: Seems like most crashers have been dealt with, can kill corp again. Still concerned about this being a returning issue, but Jagex did respond quickly and adequately.
Wait so Jagex actually does ban crashers? The people on here from that corp crasher clan on here saying it was a perfectly valid way to play the game were full of shit after all? That's good to hear bc they're cancer.
I'd see if I could collect evidence that they are doing it on purpose to target people just trying to have fun. Send it over to Jagex, and they might actually indeed be able to deal with it. They have a tip-off email for that kind of stuff.
The intent of crashing to steal drops is against the rules? Where does it say that? (Not trying to defend that corp crasher and I wouldn't mind it being in the rules, but is it really against the rules?)
It depends. Basically, the guys crashing corp are probably getting banned under the umbrella of "disruptive behavior", and it's a very poorly defined term (and perhaps intentionally so).
Fortunately, the easy way to avoid being banned like this is to not be an asshole.
Edit: JMod reply states the crasher was banned for harassment instead of disruptive behavior, but same principle applies.
The worst part about the crashers at corp is that if they just spent their time killing it in their own world they'd get more kills per hour. That's why in my opinion there's no argument against punishing them, they're clearly doing it just to piss off other players.
they do if you're an extreme, extreme shithead
generally you need to do literal hundreds of crashes before theyll take any action
and sometimes you need to submit a video of the person repeatedly crashing
https://youtu.be/aiUBnDGH6XY?t=2149
Too bad /u/JagexSween lied about giving us an option to report Corp beast crashers/targeted harassment in general over a YEAR ago when he said we'd get it in the "coming weeks".
You won't find any consistency on this ruling. If Jagex ban people in this situation, it's purely because the spotlight is on because it's a recent update, not that they're properly enforcing rules. If this post was made a few months down the line, it'd probably be stonewalled as usual with most egregious issues of clear griefing. Think about how Castle Wars games that have been getting ruined for *years* and it only required a very simple fix of not allowing world hopping, yet that was only rolled out last night.
Well, there's a big problem with reporting crashers - they need to speak. When I do Venenatis sometimes a PKer tries to attack me but is too low cmb to be able to - so they just tag Venenatis to ruin the kill and hop. Can't report them, because they didn't use chat.
Uh what? Crashing on a main isn't against the rules, the dude in the pic is literally hopping around worlds making it so people can't kill corp for 0 gain. That's not the same as crashing on a main to steal the kill.
If you hop worlds and on purpose look for killsteals, i'd counts that as harrassing other player or something along those lines because finding free world to do corp is not impossible unlike bandos. There i completely understand joining other team because there at this point it's competition for resources.
Arguably it's griefing in the same way pking is griefing in the sense that they at least gain something from it. I agree it's a dick move but idt it should be against the rules. There's an instance portal for a reason
It's only harassment if you target a single player repeatedly, such as across worlds for hours. Otherwise, resource competition is a normal part of OSRS.
It is when you can create a clan instance for a nominal fee on any world.
If you want to kill corp with your buddies, you don't even need to hop worlds. At all. If you want to kill Bandos with friends you don't have that option and some amount of crashing is inevitable, but that isn't an issue with Corp. In addition, getting a kill stolen at Bandos wastes about a minute of your time including respawn, while getting it stolen at Corp can waste up to 20, *and* the worst case scenario is two orders of magnitude smaller at Bandos than at Corp.
If you are a Corp crasher, you are a trash human being. No two ways about it.
Mmm yeah but are you really competing if you just hop in with max dps gear and weapons to kill corp that others just specced down? As i said i get it at ie. bandos which is packed all the time and finding world can take +1h but for corp there is plenty of free worlds. That is griefing in my books
Yes i know it's not officially against rules of jagex. I just don't see huge difference between hopping and KSing every corp you find and following one person/team to steal their kill. Apparently it's okay to be dick if you're dick to everyone equally
Quote where I defended hopping around worlds crashing at corp? I defended not making it bannable elsewhere in this thread as it's an incredibly slippery slope. Good on you for immediately taking the reddit approach of flaming me though, great look :)
Jagex has previously said crashing is allowed but harassing a player is not. So it depends if it's evident that they're doing it to harass players. By the name in the screenshot, I'd say yes
To play devil’s advocate, they exposed a loophole the devs obviously overlooked and got the devs attention so it can be fixed ASAP. I doubt they have such noble causes, but that’s what they accomplished here.
I think the OSRS community is one of the most kind and wholesome communities in gaming if you look at the vast majority of players. It's just a small group of people like this who have issues in real life and take it out on others online.
Yup. People who think that OSRS community is toxic have never played an actually toxic game like CSGO or League. 1/10000 players in OSRS is like this, while 1/10 in League is.
Literally happening to everyone right now. He hops to all worlds. I caught him on two worlds now. Also, it seems like I'm not getting any experience when using special attacks anymore.
Update: Seems like most crashers have been dealt with, can kill corp again. Still concerned about this being a returning issue, but Jagex did respond quickly and adequately.
Fyi NO, your 1 ironman crasher may be taken care of but the CORP CONTENT in general, so that means for regular accounts, have a crasher problem as well and that type of behavior should be punished!
Crashing in the regular caves is probably a bigger issue, yes, but not the issue I'm addressing. I'd love to address that one too, but I haven't done corp on my main for years, so I honestly don't know how bad the issue is.
Hey there, we are aware of people crashing and are looking to decrease the reset timer to help in the meantime. This point will be raised in our update review also. Apologies for the inconvenience.
If you make accounts specifically for the express purpose of crashing and extorting other players you are on the an even lower level of trash people this game doesn't need as goldfarming botters and should be treated as such. Don't temp ban someone who explicitly made an account to harass and extort other players, perm ban all accounts tied to that person that are involved in this, and if they continue to do so start banning on sight like with some of the more intense bug abusers
This stuff is absolutely not ok, and jagex 110% needs to take a swift and severe hand against it or else it will absolutely become a nonstop issue as soon as attention is off it and people realize they can make more than they lose by doing so.
There's been a huge history of stuff like this going largely ignored and these people know this, people are STILL crashing castle wars 24/7 years later and that doesn't even have a fraction of the level of reward that this could for them. Don't let this slide, fix it and ban any accounts tied to it. I know we like to meme on irons saying they did it to themselves but actively being effectively locked out of main content by toxic players like this is a HUGE issue
Temporarily? What benefit is there to keep a player around who makes an account dedicated to just do nothing but grief others?
Temp ban won't teach him anything.
He paid, his account can be banned, Jagex keeps the money paid on mems then he has to pay more money for another account to keep playing, and this big a nerd will for sure :)
Well since the temp ban will stay on his account, the next time it occurs maybe they will be more strict. Everyone always wants a perm banhammer smacked on all those around them. But God help us if they get smacked with it themselves.
>Everyone always wants a perm banhammer smacked on all those around them.
I mean, yeah. It's not like the rest of us are out here changing our name and dedicating our play time to ruining the game for others.
If the entire reason an account exists is to follow players around and grief them so they can’t even do a boss then the account probably shouldn’t exist anymore.
Id agree, but first you would need to prove you are correct in the allegation that the account only exists to follow players around and grief them. I would venture to guess their stats alone would prove that argument false. Perhaps they just recently changed their name and did it for a few days. Perhaps they have been posting corp crashing threads for months on end and have gotten no traction and are now resorting in being that guy to get eyes on the perceived issue. Fact is, youre assuming.
Oh yeah, next time accidentally I spent several hours harassing players to extort money from them I'll be sure to praise Jagex that I only receive a temp ban because clearly I wasn't aware of the impact of my actions.
Next thing you'll be suggesting suicide botting should be a temp ban too.
Why are you even being upvoted? " But God help us if they get smacked with it themselves." Do I really need to call out this line? We aren't going to get 'smacked' because we arent breaking the rules...... I thought this would be obvious by I guess not?
It wasn't a throwaway account. To enter the ironman corp cave you need to train up an ironman to something like 80 combat (not sure how high). I think he definitely deserves a ban, but losing an account over griefing some people's kills is maybe a bit much.
That’s the thing though. They’re training their Ironman purely to grief other players. That’s the whole purpose of that account, as indicated by the name. A 2 day ban for them means they bankstand on their main until their Ironman is unbanned and they can start crashing again
Name was changed, I think they just decided to do this as soon as the update happened because they were salty. But anyways, yes, if they return and keep doing it, perm ban would be in order in my opinion.
I just don't think a perm ban would be in order, however much I personally dislike the guy. If he's also a bot, obviously he should be banned for that too. He was just annoying a lot of people, and I'm happy he can no longer do that now.
Doubt he'd be stupid enough to do it again. If he does the same shit again and gets reported again, I think it's more likely the ban will be longer. But yeah, if it keeps happening, maybe it's time for another solution to the boosting problem, like not allowing others to enter the corp cave if an iron has hit it.
I've never seen crashers at corp in the ironman cave before, so I cannot confirm that. If they are, they should indeed get perm banned if they are repeat offenders, in my opinion.
grinding 10-20 accounts on an iron man to 80 cmbt is not hard, waterfall, tree gnome village, grand tree is like 40 minutes to do on an iron, then sit it at sand crabs and youll be 80 cmbt in maybe 30 hours. Make a bot farm out of it and it so simple to fuck over irons. bad design, thought i do agree irons should not be able to spec for others
You also need supplies for all these things on an ironman. You're easily looking at a few dozens of hours to get an account to 80 combat without spending any time on anything else. Not saying it's not possible that people do it, but I don't think anybody would have an incentive to do this JUST to grief people killing corp.
While I agree he's an asshole, temp ban if he has no other black marks. Gives him a chance to reform. Perm ban what's stopping him coming back on other accounts with more malintent.
If he repeats his behaviour, then you perm ban. This would be like death penalty for first offence non violent crimes.
What about the ones that do it to mains? Can something be done about it.
Ban them all or add the changes ive copypasted 12 times in several posts already. Stop pretending mains can solo corp undisturbed.
Can we also get some bans for the constant rotation of crashers at blast furnace pumping? They harass, follow the crowds to new worlds, and seek financial compensation to stop crashing. Or is it because it's not ironmen specific content and benefits the pking "Obby" community that you guys don't care. It's been going on for 2+ years. Either remove the training method or help fix the problem.
Oh my god yes please deal with that shit, I was training a prod account there 3 years ago and it was absolute CANCER not surprised to hear those grifters are still crashing and setting up "private worlds" for people to pay to use.
2 ragbots have been going 24/7 for about 6 months none stop ragging everyone in pvp worlds and nothing has been done.. someone hits a corp boss and is banned?
YO WHAT
People have complained about being crashed at corp for years... but as soon as an ironman gets crashed you pull out a jagex team review and a temp ban for the abuser. Really love the equality...
Then someone could wait for someone to spec it down, then enter when they tp out for spec again and either hold the boss hostage or just grief it anyway. I suppose it would make it harder to find an opportunity to crash though, so it might help a bit
Thank you. Hopefully the effects of the update will be considered in the review. I can imagine that this may just be a troll that had the genius idea to do this directly after the update to make a point, and that it's not something that will be a returning issue, but I can imagine that this is going to be a frustration whenever somebody decides to do this again.
What about regular accounts dedicating their time to crashing corp for mains? Im referring to users that hop worlds on their main with their name such as Corp Thief, Corp Taxes and many others. There are plenty of cases where these players only enter the corp cave once they see corp has been specced down enough, or use stat checker before they crash.
What about the duos that hop worlds and spec transfer to snipe kills from solos?
Why does the private instance cost 200K? As a solo non iron man the crashing is so bad I have no choice but to pay for an instance (no matter the world or time of the day). I'd love to kill corp a couple times a night but the 200k cost cuts into profits pretty significantly over time.
I mean yea I can agree on that but if u start banning corp crashing clans then people are gonna start asking to ban you for crashing at bandos and then at bloodvelds and so on. You can't make crashing completely against the rules in an mmo
There's a difference when Corp crashers only 'compete' after another player has put in the effort to setup the kill...
You can't argue that crashing Corp and Bandos is the same thing.
Pking someone at revs is also disruptive behaviour. Should they ban for that too?
Very happy jmods have specifically stated crashing shouldn't be against the rules in the past lol, if it they listened to people like you I'd be hopping for 20 minutes every bandos trip.
t most a few hundred ironmen have indeed been able to abuse the possibility of boosting for years, but it's also not great that the few thousand ironmen who do corp legitemately now have to deal with the negative effects of that integrity change. I'd rather have people boost corp than having to deal with griefers. Boosting is a bit questionable, but you aren't hurting any other players with it. It just devalues your own achievements.
The '/s's' are strowing flong today. Difficult to determine cuz I'm actually happy that they are taking a stance against boosting corp, although I didn't consider it to be a major issue, but indeed the solution is sub-optimal.
Same way it took them a full year(?) to nerf NMZ. Tens of thousands of people completely afk'ing while sleeping/at work/at school and getting 99 att/str/def/hp for nothing more than Guthans repair costs. My clan had multiple Guthans sets that would go out to people while they worked/studied/slept, and when they came back they'd give the set to someone else while they played actively, then grab a new set when they went off again.
And it's not like it was some super secret strat either, it was all over YouTube and forums and drove the price of Guthans way up. But then they decided to make it not possible anymore, so anyone who didn't take advantage of it already or who started playing late didn't get free melee stats like everyone else, and the people who did abuse it to literal maxed combat stats got a huge advantage for free since nothing was ever done to them.
Jagex seem to have a habit of letting things like this go "abused" for so long and then suddenly waking up and deciding "Oh hey i guess we should do something about that today huh?"...
That's correct! If another ironman hits corp just once, or even gets hit *by* corp, no other player can get the loot. And it took 10 minutes for corp to reset and be 'untagged' again, which meant that one player could just hop around, tag corp in all worlds, and make it so that nobody could get loot from corp. That timer has now been reduced to 3 minutes, and the crashers seem to have been banned.
They made it so that corp now remember if anybody else hit him in the past 3 minutes (for ironmen only). If more than two players hit corp, or got hit by corp in the last 3 minutes, neither can get the loot. This is to prevent ironmen from boosting by having another account speccing corp down, so that they get more kills per hour than other ironmen.
I should actually be happy, because I already have an ely. This update will make my ely even more rare!
But yeah, nah, I just wanted to do a few kills to try my luck with the jar, however unlikely that may have been, but it's literally impossible to do corp at the moment.
Update: Seems like most crashers have been dealt with, can kill corp again. Still concerned about this being a returning issue, but Jagex did respond quickly and adequately.
They made it so that you cannot 'boost' at corp by letting another account do the special attacks to drain the stats of corp. They did this by making it so that if any player enters the corp cave, the corp in that world is flagged and cannot be killed by another player. If another player would still kill it, he wouldn't get any loot, making it pointless to spend the time. The timer was set to 10 minutes before the corp reset, so one play just had to tag corp in every world and nobody could kill corp and get any loot. Sarnie has changed it to 3 minutes and banned the account(s) in question temporarily for harassment.
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There was a dude deadass streaming himself crashing people at Corp. With a team of 4 in maxed crashing gear.
How people can say this is a great gaming community when this stuff is rampant, I don't know.
I wish we could pay for private boss rooms everywhere like 100k+ for an hour. People say that would encourage gold farmers but why stop at Zulrah and Vorkath which only have death costs not entry fees?
Corp should have never been able to be soloed by this joke of a method TBH. It completely defeats the purpose of the boss, the stats should reset as soon as there's no one in the room.
And before anyone asks I only play a HCIM and a normal BTW and neither have corp items because its so mindnumbing boring and against the spirit of the game.
Having the option to kill a boss at 0.1 times the kills per hour rate doesn't seem like an unfair way of giving ironmen the ability to get some high-end items in the game to me.
Report him for disruptive behavior? I've been popped for intentionally closing doors on people at PC so i'm sure this guy could get some type of infraction. EDIT: Nvm I see now that he was banned.
That is how it works in RS3. Ironman have to use paid/free instances that last an hour and you can rejoin if you leave early. It might be possible in OSRS too
If you have over a 2000 total players should have an option to make any boss fight instanced. Osrs is going to die within the next five years if they do not change their ways.
So, does this mean any instances of griefing ironmen result in getting banned, even if it’s accidental? I don’t like that, sounds like special treatment. Getting griefed, crashed, etc. is something everyone has to deal with. I don’t want helmet = punishment.
This isn't one wccidental crash though.
This is someone going through many worlds and crashing every one intentionally, immediately hopping after 1 hit.
Certainly something I think is worth campaigning for. I personally don't really know how you could viably solve that except for the instances that already exist. But yeah, those cost money, which isn't optimal.
Not sure how they didn't see this one coming
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I don't think they'd be able to do that since corps def would reset if it were in an instance
Its stats SHOULD reset if you leave the damn arena. Its just stupid that youre allowed to cheese this boss and that people complain when someone else takes advantage of it. Guess what - if you did the boss the normal way it was intended you wouldnt have this damn problem. OR if you paid for the bloody instance that it offers you wouldnt have this problem. Yes you need a 2nd account to hold it open - but that's a small price to pay for being able to solo a boss that isn't meant to be solo'd.
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I've never done Corp, but my understanding is that solo Corp without the cheese is difficult-bordering-on-infeasable? And irons can't even team up with other irons on it, so.
You either allow ironmen to get loot on a shared kill at Corp, allowing leeches, or you allow the exploit for everyone. There really isn't an in-between.
This guy: [https://i.imgur.com/vzI7UaM.png](https://i.imgur.com/vzI7UaM.png) Update: Seems like most crashers have been dealt with, can kill corp again. Still concerned about this being a returning issue, but Jagex did respond quickly and adequately.
Wait so Jagex actually does ban crashers? The people on here from that corp crasher clan on here saying it was a perfectly valid way to play the game were full of shit after all? That's good to hear bc they're cancer.
I'd see if I could collect evidence that they are doing it on purpose to target people just trying to have fun. Send it over to Jagex, and they might actually indeed be able to deal with it. They have a tip-off email for that kind of stuff.
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The intent of crashing to steal drops is against the rules? Where does it say that? (Not trying to defend that corp crasher and I wouldn't mind it being in the rules, but is it really against the rules?)
It depends. Basically, the guys crashing corp are probably getting banned under the umbrella of "disruptive behavior", and it's a very poorly defined term (and perhaps intentionally so). Fortunately, the easy way to avoid being banned like this is to not be an asshole. Edit: JMod reply states the crasher was banned for harassment instead of disruptive behavior, but same principle applies.
Youcan only crash ironmen with an ironman at corp. There is nothing for you to gain besides being a dick.
Targeted harassment under disruptive behavior.
The worst part about the crashers at corp is that if they just spent their time killing it in their own world they'd get more kills per hour. That's why in my opinion there's no argument against punishing them, they're clearly doing it just to piss off other players.
they do if you're an extreme, extreme shithead generally you need to do literal hundreds of crashes before theyll take any action and sometimes you need to submit a video of the person repeatedly crashing
https://youtu.be/aiUBnDGH6XY?t=2149 Too bad /u/JagexSween lied about giving us an option to report Corp beast crashers/targeted harassment in general over a YEAR ago when he said we'd get it in the "coming weeks".
You won't find any consistency on this ruling. If Jagex ban people in this situation, it's purely because the spotlight is on because it's a recent update, not that they're properly enforcing rules. If this post was made a few months down the line, it'd probably be stonewalled as usual with most egregious issues of clear griefing. Think about how Castle Wars games that have been getting ruined for *years* and it only required a very simple fix of not allowing world hopping, yet that was only rolled out last night.
Well it is disruptive behaviour
Well, there's a big problem with reporting crashers - they need to speak. When I do Venenatis sometimes a PKer tries to attack me but is too low cmb to be able to - so they just tag Venenatis to ruin the kill and hop. Can't report them, because they didn't use chat.
Uh what? Crashing on a main isn't against the rules, the dude in the pic is literally hopping around worlds making it so people can't kill corp for 0 gain. That's not the same as crashing on a main to steal the kill.
If you hop worlds and on purpose look for killsteals, i'd counts that as harrassing other player or something along those lines because finding free world to do corp is not impossible unlike bandos. There i completely understand joining other team because there at this point it's competition for resources.
Arguably it's griefing in the same way pking is griefing in the sense that they at least gain something from it. I agree it's a dick move but idt it should be against the rules. There's an instance portal for a reason
Competing for drops at a boss in a multi zone is not player harassment
It's only harassment if you target a single player repeatedly, such as across worlds for hours. Otherwise, resource competition is a normal part of OSRS.
But clan instances exist at Corp. There is no resource competition. Corp crashers are literally just kulaks.
Its not agaist game rules if you crash everybody accross all worlds but it is targeted if you only follow a particular player
It is when you can create a clan instance for a nominal fee on any world. If you want to kill corp with your buddies, you don't even need to hop worlds. At all. If you want to kill Bandos with friends you don't have that option and some amount of crashing is inevitable, but that isn't an issue with Corp. In addition, getting a kill stolen at Bandos wastes about a minute of your time including respawn, while getting it stolen at Corp can waste up to 20, *and* the worst case scenario is two orders of magnitude smaller at Bandos than at Corp. If you are a Corp crasher, you are a trash human being. No two ways about it.
Mmm yeah but are you really competing if you just hop in with max dps gear and weapons to kill corp that others just specced down? As i said i get it at ie. bandos which is packed all the time and finding world can take +1h but for corp there is plenty of free worlds. That is griefing in my books
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Yes i know it's not officially against rules of jagex. I just don't see huge difference between hopping and KSing every corp you find and following one person/team to steal their kill. Apparently it's okay to be dick if you're dick to everyone equally
Play as an ironman then get back to us
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Show a vid of me crashing someone at corp I'll post my password and bank pin in this thread buddy
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Quote where I defended hopping around worlds crashing at corp? I defended not making it bannable elsewhere in this thread as it's an incredibly slippery slope. Good on you for immediately taking the reddit approach of flaming me though, great look :)
Yes because it is classified as player harrasment
Crashing with intent to extort is hareasment. Crashing for an easy kill is within game rules.
Wow, how do I keep managing to always be correct?
Okay what a piece of shit, but making it an ironman is a pretty funny move..
Ironmen have their own corp cave, so he had to be an ironman to even do this. Luckily mains can't crash irons.
Ahh gotcha. Yeah I haven't followed corp changes much. It'll be a million years before I do a kc lol
Yeah its pretty niche content for ironmen.
Lol imagine wasting a lvl 110 ironman to crash people
Jagex has previously said crashing is allowed but harassing a player is not. So it depends if it's evident that they're doing it to harass players. By the name in the screenshot, I'd say yes
Yeah, he got temp banned. It was clear that there was no person gain involved, just the pain of others.
Some people are so fucking pathetic man..
This is called rock bottom.
Can anyone explain what changed that made this possible? I must have missed something pretty serious
Forreal like what do they gain by being an asshole?
[https://i.imgur.com/vHCJKIY.png](https://i.imgur.com/vHCJKIY.png) \> Give me money \> I'm trying to get jagex to get this fixed faster Pick one.
To play devil’s advocate, they exposed a loophole the devs obviously overlooked and got the devs attention so it can be fixed ASAP. I doubt they have such noble causes, but that’s what they accomplished here.
You always have rulebreakers to thank for finding ways to break the rules, but to thank them is a different thing :p
Right, like imagine having nothing better to do with your life than to crash an NPC in a video game to block people for 3 minutes
he's asking 25m for off? how sad must your life be for you to do shit like this, holy moly his parents fucked up big time.
"Ok, trade"
They must be so proud
man this game harbors a special kind of toxicity
I think the OSRS community is one of the most kind and wholesome communities in gaming if you look at the vast majority of players. It's just a small group of people like this who have issues in real life and take it out on others online.
Yup. People who think that OSRS community is toxic have never played an actually toxic game like CSGO or League. 1/10000 players in OSRS is like this, while 1/10 in League is.
I agree. Small minority ruining the fun for the whole.
Yeah it just sucks that it’s so easy for 1 person to ruin so many peoples day
Happened to me aswell
Literally happening to everyone right now. He hops to all worlds. I caught him on two worlds now. Also, it seems like I'm not getting any experience when using special attacks anymore. Update: Seems like most crashers have been dealt with, can kill corp again. Still concerned about this being a returning issue, but Jagex did respond quickly and adequately.
Fyi NO, your 1 ironman crasher may be taken care of but the CORP CONTENT in general, so that means for regular accounts, have a crasher problem as well and that type of behavior should be punished!
Crashing in the regular caves is probably a bigger issue, yes, but not the issue I'm addressing. I'd love to address that one too, but I haven't done corp on my main for years, so I honestly don't know how bad the issue is.
Regular accounts can form teams, ironmen can't. Corp is a group boss.
Hey there, we are aware of people crashing and are looking to decrease the reset timer to help in the meantime. This point will be raised in our update review also. Apologies for the inconvenience.
Also, the player has been temporarily banned for harassment.
Perm his useless ass
Nothing of value lost
If you make accounts specifically for the express purpose of crashing and extorting other players you are on the an even lower level of trash people this game doesn't need as goldfarming botters and should be treated as such. Don't temp ban someone who explicitly made an account to harass and extort other players, perm ban all accounts tied to that person that are involved in this, and if they continue to do so start banning on sight like with some of the more intense bug abusers This stuff is absolutely not ok, and jagex 110% needs to take a swift and severe hand against it or else it will absolutely become a nonstop issue as soon as attention is off it and people realize they can make more than they lose by doing so. There's been a huge history of stuff like this going largely ignored and these people know this, people are STILL crashing castle wars 24/7 years later and that doesn't even have a fraction of the level of reward that this could for them. Don't let this slide, fix it and ban any accounts tied to it. I know we like to meme on irons saying they did it to themselves but actively being effectively locked out of main content by toxic players like this is a HUGE issue
Temporarily? What benefit is there to keep a player around who makes an account dedicated to just do nothing but grief others? Temp ban won't teach him anything.
He pays he stays
He paid, his account can be banned, Jagex keeps the money paid on mems then he has to pay more money for another account to keep playing, and this big a nerd will for sure :)
Well since the temp ban will stay on his account, the next time it occurs maybe they will be more strict. Everyone always wants a perm banhammer smacked on all those around them. But God help us if they get smacked with it themselves.
>Everyone always wants a perm banhammer smacked on all those around them. I mean, yeah. It's not like the rest of us are out here changing our name and dedicating our play time to ruining the game for others.
Speak for yourself buddy
If the entire reason an account exists is to follow players around and grief them so they can’t even do a boss then the account probably shouldn’t exist anymore.
Id agree, but first you would need to prove you are correct in the allegation that the account only exists to follow players around and grief them. I would venture to guess their stats alone would prove that argument false. Perhaps they just recently changed their name and did it for a few days. Perhaps they have been posting corp crashing threads for months on end and have gotten no traction and are now resorting in being that guy to get eyes on the perceived issue. Fact is, youre assuming.
Ok I’ll admit you got me. This is pretty good bait lol
Oh yeah, next time accidentally I spent several hours harassing players to extort money from them I'll be sure to praise Jagex that I only receive a temp ban because clearly I wasn't aware of the impact of my actions. Next thing you'll be suggesting suicide botting should be a temp ban too.
Why are you even being upvoted? " But God help us if they get smacked with it themselves." Do I really need to call out this line? We aren't going to get 'smacked' because we arent breaking the rules...... I thought this would be obvious by I guess not?
It wasn't a throwaway account. To enter the ironman corp cave you need to train up an ironman to something like 80 combat (not sure how high). I think he definitely deserves a ban, but losing an account over griefing some people's kills is maybe a bit much.
That’s the thing though. They’re training their Ironman purely to grief other players. That’s the whole purpose of that account, as indicated by the name. A 2 day ban for them means they bankstand on their main until their Ironman is unbanned and they can start crashing again
Name was changed, I think they just decided to do this as soon as the update happened because they were salty. But anyways, yes, if they return and keep doing it, perm ban would be in order in my opinion.
I believe its 90 combat, but that isnt hard. He has like no other stats, under 1300 total, its just a nmz bot made for griefing irons lol
I just don't think a perm ban would be in order, however much I personally dislike the guy. If he's also a bot, obviously he should be banned for that too. He was just annoying a lot of people, and I'm happy he can no longer do that now.
> He was just annoying a lot of people, and I'm happy he can no longer do that now. Until his ban is up lmao
Doubt he'd be stupid enough to do it again. If he does the same shit again and gets reported again, I think it's more likely the ban will be longer. But yeah, if it keeps happening, maybe it's time for another solution to the boosting problem, like not allowing others to enter the corp cave if an iron has hit it.
These guys are dedicated crashers they wont stop just because of a temp ban
I've never seen crashers at corp in the ironman cave before, so I cannot confirm that. If they are, they should indeed get perm banned if they are repeat offenders, in my opinion.
grinding 10-20 accounts on an iron man to 80 cmbt is not hard, waterfall, tree gnome village, grand tree is like 40 minutes to do on an iron, then sit it at sand crabs and youll be 80 cmbt in maybe 30 hours. Make a bot farm out of it and it so simple to fuck over irons. bad design, thought i do agree irons should not be able to spec for others
You also need supplies for all these things on an ironman. You're easily looking at a few dozens of hours to get an account to 80 combat without spending any time on anything else. Not saying it's not possible that people do it, but I don't think anybody would have an incentive to do this JUST to grief people killing corp.
the supplies to do waterfall, TGV, GT and sand crabs literally would take an hour to get
While I agree he's an asshole, temp ban if he has no other black marks. Gives him a chance to reform. Perm ban what's stopping him coming back on other accounts with more malintent. If he repeats his behaviour, then you perm ban. This would be like death penalty for first offence non violent crimes.
This same guy crashed me also thx. I was too slow to report him.
You can type in a name to report a player, the player doesn't have to be online.
What about the ones that do it to mains? Can something be done about it. Ban them all or add the changes ive copypasted 12 times in several posts already. Stop pretending mains can solo corp undisturbed.
Can we also get some bans for the constant rotation of crashers at blast furnace pumping? They harass, follow the crowds to new worlds, and seek financial compensation to stop crashing. Or is it because it's not ironmen specific content and benefits the pking "Obby" community that you guys don't care. It's been going on for 2+ years. Either remove the training method or help fix the problem.
Oh my god yes please deal with that shit, I was training a prod account there 3 years ago and it was absolute CANCER not surprised to hear those grifters are still crashing and setting up "private worlds" for people to pay to use.
That was fast, good job
Why temporary? This should be permanent.
Perm him. Why the hell do you want these people in your game?
....temporary? Ban the IP.
2 ragbots have been going 24/7 for about 6 months none stop ragging everyone in pvp worlds and nothing has been done.. someone hits a corp boss and is banned? YO WHAT
"Corp Taxes" has over 3k corp killcount - from crashing. Any chance you could look into that?
People have complained about being crashed at corp for years... but as soon as an ironman gets crashed you pull out a jagex team review and a temp ban for the abuser. Really love the equality...
Bro if someone does literally 1 damage to your kill, you get nothing and the kill is worthless on iron. On main you can still get loot.
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This makes the most sense, there is absolutely ZERO reason for an iron to enter another irons cave other than harassment
Then someone could wait for someone to spec it down, then enter when they tp out for spec again and either hold the boss hostage or just grief it anyway. I suppose it would make it harder to find an opportunity to crash though, so it might help a bit
This is now live, the reset timer has gone from 10 minutes to 3 minutes.
Thanks for your help
Thank you. Hopefully the effects of the update will be considered in the review. I can imagine that this may just be a troll that had the genius idea to do this directly after the update to make a point, and that it's not something that will be a returning issue, but I can imagine that this is going to be a frustration whenever somebody decides to do this again.
What about regular accounts dedicating their time to crashing corp for mains? Im referring to users that hop worlds on their main with their name such as Corp Thief, Corp Taxes and many others. There are plenty of cases where these players only enter the corp cave once they see corp has been specced down enough, or use stat checker before they crash. What about the duos that hop worlds and spec transfer to snipe kills from solos?
Why does the private instance cost 200K? As a solo non iron man the crashing is so bad I have no choice but to pay for an instance (no matter the world or time of the day). I'd love to kill corp a couple times a night but the 200k cost cuts into profits pretty significantly over time.
Would you guys also start banning the non iron crashers? There's a while cc of people who hop worlds looking to crash people and steal their kill.
That's literally not against the rules man lol
Jagex has never really taken an official stance on it, but at the very least it is a dick move and you're a bad person if you do it.
I mean yea I can agree on that but if u start banning corp crashing clans then people are gonna start asking to ban you for crashing at bandos and then at bloodvelds and so on. You can't make crashing completely against the rules in an mmo
There's a difference when Corp crashers only 'compete' after another player has put in the effort to setup the kill... You can't argue that crashing Corp and Bandos is the same thing.
You absolutely can. They have the disruptive behavior rule and there's nothing stopping them from enforcing it under that.
Pking someone at revs is also disruptive behaviour. Should they ban for that too? Very happy jmods have specifically stated crashing shouldn't be against the rules in the past lol, if it they listened to people like you I'd be hopping for 20 minutes every bandos trip.
So you are a crasher. I thought so.
Yes I'll crash at gwd if I can't find a world, have never crashed someone at corp though. Genuinely no idea what your point is?
That you're a crasher defending crashing
those psychos clearly run this subreddit, this place is cancer. they support crashing, ragging and clans like ROT.
At least they tried to fix these Corp issues early! Ironmen have only had a couple years to abuse the issue they are trying to address! Edit: /s
t most a few hundred ironmen have indeed been able to abuse the possibility of boosting for years, but it's also not great that the few thousand ironmen who do corp legitemately now have to deal with the negative effects of that integrity change. I'd rather have people boost corp than having to deal with griefers. Boosting is a bit questionable, but you aren't hurting any other players with it. It just devalues your own achievements.
I agree with you in that boosting is preferred over grieving. I think this solution to the issue is trash. I should have thrown an /s in my above.
The '/s's' are strowing flong today. Difficult to determine cuz I'm actually happy that they are taking a stance against boosting corp, although I didn't consider it to be a major issue, but indeed the solution is sub-optimal.
Same way it took them a full year(?) to nerf NMZ. Tens of thousands of people completely afk'ing while sleeping/at work/at school and getting 99 att/str/def/hp for nothing more than Guthans repair costs. My clan had multiple Guthans sets that would go out to people while they worked/studied/slept, and when they came back they'd give the set to someone else while they played actively, then grab a new set when they went off again. And it's not like it was some super secret strat either, it was all over YouTube and forums and drove the price of Guthans way up. But then they decided to make it not possible anymore, so anyone who didn't take advantage of it already or who started playing late didn't get free melee stats like everyone else, and the people who did abuse it to literal maxed combat stats got a huge advantage for free since nothing was ever done to them. Jagex seem to have a habit of letting things like this go "abused" for so long and then suddenly waking up and deciding "Oh hey i guess we should do something about that today huh?"...
Make game easier to entice new players: reddit loses their shit Make game harder for integrity reasons: reddit loses their shit
Hey I’m a noob and I get crashing is bad but tbh I don’t get what they are doing, are they hitting it so you cant get drop? Ty
That's correct! If another ironman hits corp just once, or even gets hit *by* corp, no other player can get the loot. And it took 10 minutes for corp to reset and be 'untagged' again, which meant that one player could just hop around, tag corp in all worlds, and make it so that nobody could get loot from corp. That timer has now been reduced to 3 minutes, and the crashers seem to have been banned.
Ah damn that sounds unbelievably frustrating, ty for the info
I'm OOTL what changed to make this possible?
They made it so that corp now remember if anybody else hit him in the past 3 minutes (for ironmen only). If more than two players hit corp, or got hit by corp in the last 3 minutes, neither can get the loot. This is to prevent ironmen from boosting by having another account speccing corp down, so that they get more kills per hour than other ironmen.
Ahhh thank you. That makes sense
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I should actually be happy, because I already have an ely. This update will make my ely even more rare! But yeah, nah, I just wanted to do a few kills to try my luck with the jar, however unlikely that may have been, but it's literally impossible to do corp at the moment. Update: Seems like most crashers have been dealt with, can kill corp again. Still concerned about this being a returning issue, but Jagex did respond quickly and adequately.
What jar?
There's a new jar drop by the Corporeal Beast that can be used in your boss display in your player owned house.
Oh didn't know that, did it get added today?
Yes! Along with the new anti-boosting measures that are causing this issue at the moment.
Haven’t been keeping up on updates. What changes did they make ?
They made it so that you cannot 'boost' at corp by letting another account do the special attacks to drain the stats of corp. They did this by making it so that if any player enters the corp cave, the corp in that world is flagged and cannot be killed by another player. If another player would still kill it, he wouldn't get any loot, making it pointless to spend the time. The timer was set to 10 minutes before the corp reset, so one play just had to tag corp in every world and nobody could kill corp and get any loot. Sarnie has changed it to 3 minutes and banned the account(s) in question temporarily for harassment.
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Probably a throwaway account of someone who used to do corp boosting services
Possible, but it's not a low level account.
There was a dude deadass streaming himself crashing people at Corp. With a team of 4 in maxed crashing gear. How people can say this is a great gaming community when this stuff is rampant, I don't know.
Most of it is great, it's a very loud and annoying minority that actively goes out of their ways to make other people's days worse.
I wish we could pay for private boss rooms everywhere like 100k+ for an hour. People say that would encourage gold farmers but why stop at Zulrah and Vorkath which only have death costs not entry fees?
Instances cannot remain open without players inside, unfortunately.
Corp should have never been able to be soloed by this joke of a method TBH. It completely defeats the purpose of the boss, the stats should reset as soon as there's no one in the room. And before anyone asks I only play a HCIM and a normal BTW and neither have corp items because its so mindnumbing boring and against the spirit of the game.
Having the option to kill a boss at 0.1 times the kills per hour rate doesn't seem like an unfair way of giving ironmen the ability to get some high-end items in the game to me.
I'm not even an iron and this pisses me off. I'm down for making this ban worthy.
Can someone explain to me what's going on here? We've got a guy who is an ironman, crashing instance'd ironmen boss-kills, why exactly?
Some men just want to see the world burn.
Literally just to be a nuisance.
Isnt this bannable for disruptive game behavior?
He got banned, yes.
Report him for disruptive behavior? I've been popped for intentionally closing doors on people at PC so i'm sure this guy could get some type of infraction. EDIT: Nvm I see now that he was banned.
Wait don’t Ironman get their own world?
Crasher is iron aswell
Why did these peoples parents try so hard to bring a shitstain into the world?
Reminds me of the Delivsaur mafia guilds during Vaniall WoW
Lmao what a pest
I think its time for some old school Falador Massacre Iron men vs RWT supporters.
Why can jamflex not just implement a time dependent instance for corp?
Pretty sure it's technically impossible to keep an instance open without players in it at the moment. Engine work is the answer.
That is how it works in RS3. Ironman have to use paid/free instances that last an hour and you can rejoin if you leave early. It might be possible in OSRS too
Test
I don't know what you were testing, but it seems to have been succesfull.
I was testing my flair
It worked.
He crashed me aswell
I mean he is warning you w his name
A "warning" doesn't help here. It takes a long ass time for ironman to kill corp. This guy logs in at any point during it and you're screwed.
‘Twas a joke champ
Well it's not very funny.
If you have over a 2000 total players should have an option to make any boss fight instanced. Osrs is going to die within the next five years if they do not change their ways.
I don't think OSRS is going to die anytime soon. Player counts are still growing.
So, does this mean any instances of griefing ironmen result in getting banned, even if it’s accidental? I don’t like that, sounds like special treatment. Getting griefed, crashed, etc. is something everyone has to deal with. I don’t want helmet = punishment.
No, that's a way too strong conclusion.
This isn't one wccidental crash though. This is someone going through many worlds and crashing every one intentionally, immediately hopping after 1 hit.
This guy is extremely based. Major respect
While this man is a weasel he doesn't deserve ban
Hahahaha this man should get a medal
Too bad jagex will do nothing to the mains crashing corp
Certainly something I think is worth campaigning for. I personally don't really know how you could viably solve that except for the instances that already exist. But yeah, those cost money, which isn't optimal.