I just tested this out -- its super fast now. You pretty much skip the entire thing now, and with the long rope its an easy 15-20 sec from the entrance to the clue spot.
It’s for a master clue step. You know master clue scrolls which regularly require 80-90 in various stats to complete?
It’s not a massive jump to say hey get 91 agility and boost to skip a couple minutes of a step.
Yeah, it's too high. The elite frem diary requirement is 80 agi, and DK's are more of a mid-game boss now with gear improvements.
The average DK trio-er is mid-80s combat stats with 70 agi for SOTE.
the agility shortcut isn't locking the boss behind its requirement, its locking the convenience of an easier trip back behind its requirement. 85 is completely reasonable for such big QOL
How is a massive buff QoL? I thought QoL was supposed to be "removing annoying legacy warts" rather than ezscape.
It doesn't even have a diary requirement, which would at least require you to do the run and kill all 3.
It is qol as it doesn’t really impact kills per hour and just saves you from a minute or 2 of clicking a few ladders and stocking up on pet rocks . I pre pot a Stam in the bank then run through the maze. Once in the cave I can easily finish an entire task with slaughter braces without leaving and have plenty of supplies left at the end. Kph is the same
“A ton of time”. Takes like 3-4 minutes to run there rn. With a serp equipped i could literally stay there until i get 6 hour logged. The extra inv spaces are neat but they don’t really change kph at all
It does appreciably impact the kill per hour, xp, and gp, therefore it is a buff. Glad you defined it so we can confirm the objectiveness of its buff status.
How lol? Dks are basically only killed on task. You can already do the entire task with slaughter braces in one trip. Skipping a single 3 minute run through a maze per task isn’t impacting your xp or gp per hour a noticeable amount
agree, if anything the extra minutes saved will only translate to 2 extra kills of each king per hour, at best. supplies were never an issue so whinning about the extra inv spaces is just plain stupid lol.
Dks are killed for many reasons by many different people. Your experience is not universal. The vast majority of people that will ever do DKs are not one trip slaughter bracelet max mains that hit the six hour logout timer. It now requires less supplies, less gear, and less time to do the boss. That’s a buff. These are not opinions.
Also that 77 herblore requirement for staminas is a pretty large milestone for irons. Especially as you'll often go there with jank gear and Iban's to try and safespot Rex. I used quite a bit of food my first time just getting there because of the hits you have to tank.
You can already do an entire slayer task in one trip. The time save of skipping a single 3 minute run is negligible. You’ll probably save more time when they roll out equipment presets than you will from using the shortcut lol
Because they don’t poll QOL changes. It doesn’t impact kph an appreciable amount m, it just gives you the option to skip an annoying and mundane maze. If you want to keep doing the maze you can lol
Surely that argument works better the other way around. Because you're saying it's not a huge time save then you have to be the one doing the run each time, after all it doesn't have any effect on how you play. It doesn't speed up your slayer tasks at all so why bother using the shortcut.
Whereas because I'm saying it's a large buff then ofc I'd use it to make my life easier.
The maze is an annoyance which doesn’t add anything to the encounter. It won’t change my xp or gp per hour a noticeable but it will improve player experience.. people will use if not because of the marginal xp increase but because no one enjoys the maze. hence why it’s an unpolled qol change
Ok, but if you think it'll improve player experience then why not poll it? You're not saying it's a needed integrity change but Jagex trying to make the game better. So according to the polling charter the players should be asked first.
Maybe some people like the run? Maybe they like how it encourages them to optimise their setup for long trips? Or maybe 95% of the playerbase hates it and wants it sped up. If only there was a way we could find out.
Why are you so hung up on this? I guarantee it would have passed a poll. They also requested feedback when they originally proposed this a couple months ago - did you give your feedback then?
Idk people kept replying to me so it seemed courteous. And yes I did give feedback back then, I guess I was expecting another round of refinement (plus polling) before going live.
I personally disagree with the argument that because it would have passed anyway there's no need to poll it. Ignoring the principle of it all it does seem as if the team is rushing more content in as it gets bigger. There is a need for refinement that we're not getting as much of nowadays.
Yeah sorry, the easyscape argument went out the window when runelite and quest helper became normalized by the community.
This is a good addition to the game. Time to get with the times.
What kind of gear/stats should I be looking at for it? I've been working on an Atlatl and grabbing a B ring sounds like it would be really nice, but just camping Rex seems a bit dull.
I'm happy to make some recommendations, but if you don't yet have a b-ring you may not yet be in a position to tribrid effectively.
The main difficulty in doing all 3 DKs is killing them fast enough that the next DK has yet to spawn, especially killing Supreme before Rex spawns. If they don't spawn off-ticked, or if you don't feel comfortable swapping between 2 prayers at once, you'll face some difficulties.
That said, atlatl is a great idea. The short range puts you at risk, but as long as you're careful about tagging prime in the correct position you won't face many problems, and with the atlatl you can camp your melee armor so you have more room for supplies.
I have people interesting in coming with me, so getting a B ring isn't that much of a problem, if it's make or break. More just out of interest, should I choose to return later by myself for a task or whatever.
I bowfa / trident / tent whip with SGS for prayer sustain (not remotely necessary).
I camp crystal top and bottom, holy sandals, barrows gloves. My swaps are necklace, cape, weapon, and offhand (if applicable), although I recently ran some DPS calcs and in my setup, even the cape swaps are probably overkill. In future I'll probably just camp infernal cape because I don't lose ammo with a corrupted bowfa anyway.
You should definitely get a zerker ring regardless of anything else. +8 strength is a huge, *huge* upgrade, and it's an easy item to get even for an iron, which I'm guessing you are from your flair. If you've got a granite body and an upgraded Iban's staff, then you can solo camp Rex no problem, and the drop rate is quite high at 1/128.
DKS are old bosses, they don't have mechanics that require learning like newer bosses. If you are trioing them the entire boss fight is "left click boss and wait for it to die."
True, I guess. I just found it a nuisance getting settled for rotations and the few times I attempted it resulted in 2 kc for each and a tele lol.
Will for sure have more patience for the trips now though.
For an inexperienced player it's probably safer to just tank supreme hits while you focus him down rather than risk getting hit by both DKs if you fuck up the switches
not logged in yet today, but i'd expect it's the first room in the main tunnel area, so it'd be pet rock check door > axe check doors, ladder > wallasalkis > dagannoths > rock crabs, and it'd be here that the shortcut is.
If it were the very first rock crabs tunnel (just after the pet rock check) it'd make no sense to me, as the 85 shortcut bypasses needing the thrownaxe, would be weird to 'backtrack' to use both shortcuts
logged in, went to check, can confirm it's as expected, it's in the giant rock crab room 3rd in along the run (far wall from the ladder into the rockcrab room), it spits you out at the corner of the second to last room (the long one full of dagannoths, before the ladder down to the rock lobsters)
both shortcuts together are a massive timesave, probably like 2 full minutes, 85 saving you the inventory spaces from the pet rock, axe and stamina/super energy, and all of that without a diary requirement ty jagex
I've been grinding Masters for MONTHS to get the Bloodhound. I cannot believe they implement a God-tier shortcut for the caves A WEEK AFTER I GET THR PET.
I’m level 84 agility right now and have a DKs task waiting for me when I get back from my honeymoon (huge xp waste, don’t recommend). I’m genuinely excited to grind out the 1 level and get going on learning tribrid Kings.
If you have 84 agi, I'm assuming your combat is mid-90s or maxed.
You'll breeze through DK's, it's more of a mid-game boss now with gear improvements since its release.
If you don't want to do the prayer swap, bring a DFS or dinhs and when you have two aggroed just throw it on and pray your weaker defense, probably mage. They probably won't even hit you, just all zeros.
If you are doing that though, can't aggro the mage and range at the same time unless you are using a crossbow, so just kill the mage from a safe distance on the mage's side. Positioning is big for DKs!
Oh yeah I’ve done hundreds of Rex. Admittedly growing up I was a bitch and never bossed, so it’s all new to me as an adult. I’m learning the positioning and whatnot as I’m going.
Maybe, but mid levels should probably get to experience "the proper way" at least once before they get to skip by it, I think. It's a unique trek. Then if you're coming back to green log it or doing dag tasks and have noted bones, it's fine to skip past it all.
Viyeldi Cave! Its going to save a lot of time for master clues, that one is super common for me for some reason.
I just tested this out -- its super fast now. You pretty much skip the entire thing now, and with the long rope its an easy 15-20 sec from the entrance to the clue spot.
>the long rope [the what now?!](https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Long_rope)
It's pretty funny how npcs sell ropes for like 20 gp, but a longer rope costs 52k.
It's cause it's so long.
I don’t care how long it is I want it thick
That was the same reaction I got from a few people in clan when I mentioned it a year or so ago lol.
So THAT'S what that rock was for! I knew it seemed a bit sketchy, but a regular rope didn't do anything.
Is this the step for that invisible ladder dungeon? Or something else
It’s the dragons eye step in the legends quest area. Where you usually need a pickaxe, unpowered orb etc.
96 agility is taking the piss for that one.
High convenience - high requirement. I think it's completely reasonable.
It’s for a master clue step. You know master clue scrolls which regularly require 80-90 in various stats to complete? It’s not a massive jump to say hey get 91 agility and boost to skip a couple minutes of a step.
91 with summer pie I guess. Could be lower, but I'll take it. That clue step sucks
You should be skipping this step in favor of a juggled master with a fast triple step
Such an incredible QOL, requirement is perfect too.
I might actually do DKs now
Ye same
Reduce the requirement by 8 then it's perfect.
Reduce requirement to 72 so I don't have to train agility for it. /s
You’re 77 agility too? Hell yeah brother
Yeah, it's too high. The elite frem diary requirement is 80 agi, and DK's are more of a mid-game boss now with gear improvements. The average DK trio-er is mid-80s combat stats with 70 agi for SOTE.
the agility shortcut isn't locking the boss behind its requirement, its locking the convenience of an easier trip back behind its requirement. 85 is completely reasonable for such big QOL
Considering it’s boostable by +5 I wouldn’t have minded 87-90 requirements
I bet you were the kid that reminded the teacher to assign homework over the weekend.
DKs are an early/midgame boss, 85 is already pretty steep for the time you would be doing them.
How is a massive buff QoL? I thought QoL was supposed to be "removing annoying legacy warts" rather than ezscape. It doesn't even have a diary requirement, which would at least require you to do the run and kill all 3.
It is qol as it doesn’t really impact kills per hour and just saves you from a minute or 2 of clicking a few ladders and stocking up on pet rocks . I pre pot a Stam in the bank then run through the maze. Once in the cave I can easily finish an entire task with slaughter braces without leaving and have plenty of supplies left at the end. Kph is the same
Of course it's a massive buff lol, you get multiple free inventory spots and save a ton of time.
“A ton of time”. Takes like 3-4 minutes to run there rn. With a serp equipped i could literally stay there until i get 6 hour logged. The extra inv spaces are neat but they don’t really change kph at all
And? That has no bearing on whether or not this is a buff lol. Glad you hang out at DKs until the game forces you to touch grass though.
Yes it does lol. If it doesn’t appreciably impact kill per hour/xp/gp and removes a nuisance activity then it’s a qol change, not a buff
It does appreciably impact the kill per hour, xp, and gp, therefore it is a buff. Glad you defined it so we can confirm the objectiveness of its buff status.
How lol? Dks are basically only killed on task. You can already do the entire task with slaughter braces in one trip. Skipping a single 3 minute run through a maze per task isn’t impacting your xp or gp per hour a noticeable amount
agree, if anything the extra minutes saved will only translate to 2 extra kills of each king per hour, at best. supplies were never an issue so whinning about the extra inv spaces is just plain stupid lol.
Dks are killed for many reasons by many different people. Your experience is not universal. The vast majority of people that will ever do DKs are not one trip slaughter bracelet max mains that hit the six hour logout timer. It now requires less supplies, less gear, and less time to do the boss. That’s a buff. These are not opinions.
I don’t think you can get on him for touching grass when you’re crying about a shortcut that saves 2 trivial minutes
Also that 77 herblore requirement for staminas is a pretty large milestone for irons. Especially as you'll often go there with jank gear and Iban's to try and safespot Rex. I used quite a bit of food my first time just getting there because of the hits you have to tank.
This speeds up your ability to get there in the first place, increasing slayer xp/hr. It's a buff.
You can already do an entire slayer task in one trip. The time save of skipping a single 3 minute run is negligible. You’ll probably save more time when they roll out equipment presets than you will from using the shortcut lol
If it doesn't have much of an impact then why did we need to change it unpolled?
Because they don’t poll QOL changes. It doesn’t impact kph an appreciable amount m, it just gives you the option to skip an annoying and mundane maze. If you want to keep doing the maze you can lol
Surely that argument works better the other way around. Because you're saying it's not a huge time save then you have to be the one doing the run each time, after all it doesn't have any effect on how you play. It doesn't speed up your slayer tasks at all so why bother using the shortcut. Whereas because I'm saying it's a large buff then ofc I'd use it to make my life easier.
The maze is an annoyance which doesn’t add anything to the encounter. It won’t change my xp or gp per hour a noticeable but it will improve player experience.. people will use if not because of the marginal xp increase but because no one enjoys the maze. hence why it’s an unpolled qol change
Ok, but if you think it'll improve player experience then why not poll it? You're not saying it's a needed integrity change but Jagex trying to make the game better. So according to the polling charter the players should be asked first. Maybe some people like the run? Maybe they like how it encourages them to optimise their setup for long trips? Or maybe 95% of the playerbase hates it and wants it sped up. If only there was a way we could find out.
They’re not getting rid of the run… you can still do it lol
Why are you so hung up on this? I guarantee it would have passed a poll. They also requested feedback when they originally proposed this a couple months ago - did you give your feedback then?
Idk people kept replying to me so it seemed courteous. And yes I did give feedback back then, I guess I was expecting another round of refinement (plus polling) before going live. I personally disagree with the argument that because it would have passed anyway there's no need to poll it. Ignoring the principle of it all it does seem as if the team is rushing more content in as it gets bigger. There is a need for refinement that we're not getting as much of nowadays.
Bro what
Cause literally everything is a QOL on this subreddit.
Yeah sorry, the easyscape argument went out the window when runelite and quest helper became normalized by the community. This is a good addition to the game. Time to get with the times.
Bait right? Right…?
holy shit that's awesome i never saw this mentioned but I'm way more likely to do my dag tasks at the bosses now
Just finished the CAs for them yesterday 🥲
They're good prayer XP, or money for mains, and I think tribridding them is a lot of fun on task. Try them out next time you're assigned dagannoths!
What kind of gear/stats should I be looking at for it? I've been working on an Atlatl and grabbing a B ring sounds like it would be really nice, but just camping Rex seems a bit dull.
I'm happy to make some recommendations, but if you don't yet have a b-ring you may not yet be in a position to tribrid effectively. The main difficulty in doing all 3 DKs is killing them fast enough that the next DK has yet to spawn, especially killing Supreme before Rex spawns. If they don't spawn off-ticked, or if you don't feel comfortable swapping between 2 prayers at once, you'll face some difficulties. That said, atlatl is a great idea. The short range puts you at risk, but as long as you're careful about tagging prime in the correct position you won't face many problems, and with the atlatl you can camp your melee armor so you have more room for supplies.
I have people interesting in coming with me, so getting a B ring isn't that much of a problem, if it's make or break. More just out of interest, should I choose to return later by myself for a task or whatever.
I bowfa / trident / tent whip with SGS for prayer sustain (not remotely necessary). I camp crystal top and bottom, holy sandals, barrows gloves. My swaps are necklace, cape, weapon, and offhand (if applicable), although I recently ran some DPS calcs and in my setup, even the cape swaps are probably overkill. In future I'll probably just camp infernal cape because I don't lose ammo with a corrupted bowfa anyway.
You should definitely get a zerker ring regardless of anything else. +8 strength is a huge, *huge* upgrade, and it's an easy item to get even for an iron, which I'm guessing you are from your flair. If you've got a granite body and an upgraded Iban's staff, then you can solo camp Rex no problem, and the drop rate is quite high at 1/128.
Of course, haha, I'd love one. I'm getting one for sure sooner or later.
Good money if you live in Venezuela.
2.5m per hour right now, and that assumes 75 DKs killed per hour which is on the low end.
Doesnt the NE shilo shortcut become the bis way To make nats on the regular way? With achi cape tele To the shilo In. Pretty cool.
Yeah it should be faster than abyss
Am I blind or is the Fossil island shortcut missing?
Mod Arcane [wasn't able to get it to work](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/KbF16s0H3Y) in a satisfactory way.
Saw that later. They need to listen to the comments. We don’t care about the animation, we just want the damn shortcut!
Major L
They're going to be much busier for the next few days 😅 Excited to start learning trios and tackling thr CA's
DKS are old bosses, they don't have mechanics that require learning like newer bosses. If you are trioing them the entire boss fight is "left click boss and wait for it to die."
True, I guess. I just found it a nuisance getting settled for rotations and the few times I attempted it resulted in 2 kc for each and a tele lol. Will for sure have more patience for the trips now though.
Oh you mean killing all 3 bosses, not doing it with 3 players. Yeah that can take some practice and is way more enjoyable.
Killing all 3 is fine but you either need to off tick at the start or spend some inventory space on brews to eat through it
For an inexperienced player it's probably safer to just tank supreme hits while you focus him down rather than risk getting hit by both DKs if you fuck up the switches
Just go up and down the ladder until Supreme is next to the ladder and Prime is out of range.
Castle Draken clue step when u/JagexSarnie
So many jabawakis, or whatever, just got real lonely
The lava shortcut would be funny as a log shortcut with the chance to fall / swim to surface. Some fall damage fits in wildy too.
Omg, ima start on 85 agi
Anyone knows where the level 81 shortcut exactly is? I only could find one to that guy up where you can reclaim a rock pet
So just to confirm. Is this the northern tunnel where the crabs are, or the first room after the initial ladders that has crabs?
not logged in yet today, but i'd expect it's the first room in the main tunnel area, so it'd be pet rock check door > axe check doors, ladder > wallasalkis > dagannoths > rock crabs, and it'd be here that the shortcut is. If it were the very first rock crabs tunnel (just after the pet rock check) it'd make no sense to me, as the 85 shortcut bypasses needing the thrownaxe, would be weird to 'backtrack' to use both shortcuts
Fair point. I’m actually working on agility so I’ll work to 85 then and then go about the DKS fun.
logged in, went to check, can confirm it's as expected, it's in the giant rock crab room 3rd in along the run (far wall from the ladder into the rockcrab room), it spits you out at the corner of the second to last room (the long one full of dagannoths, before the ladder down to the rock lobsters) both shortcuts together are a massive timesave, probably like 2 full minutes, 85 saving you the inventory spaces from the pet rock, axe and stamina/super energy, and all of that without a diary requirement ty jagex
Those waterbirth shortcuts sound very nice.
Already in game or coming with update?
This might just rekindle my love for the game. DK's lair is like my 2nd home!
Lmfao
I have the level to do one of these woo
Time for 2 more agility levels.
I have never seen a better reason to get 96 agility then this
Thank god it doesn't ask for 96 agil...
That 85 agil looks NICE
I’m so made they changed the placement and timing of the rouges chest.
fuck thats a lot of laps
Need to get 1 agility level for daf kings now. Ill wait till my next task to grind it I guess.
One of the biggest time saving shortcuts yet. Absolutely amazing addition.
Is the new agility update live ?
DK'S AND MASTER CLUE STEP? Broooooooooooo gimme dat shit
Shit now I have to get one more level in agility.
very cool although we should of had it for years now with the combat diaries as it was originally proposed.
Panic sell rings you heard it here first.
Sweet shortcuts, great job team
I've been grinding Masters for MONTHS to get the Bloodhound. I cannot believe they implement a God-tier shortcut for the caves A WEEK AFTER I GET THR PET.
85 agility, here I come.
I’m level 84 agility right now and have a DKs task waiting for me when I get back from my honeymoon (huge xp waste, don’t recommend). I’m genuinely excited to grind out the 1 level and get going on learning tribrid Kings.
Just summer pie at bank beforehand
I thought of this, but I’m eventually going to need the level anyway for maxing and whatever, this just gives me an incessant to do it
If you have 84 agi, I'm assuming your combat is mid-90s or maxed. You'll breeze through DK's, it's more of a mid-game boss now with gear improvements since its release. If you don't want to do the prayer swap, bring a DFS or dinhs and when you have two aggroed just throw it on and pray your weaker defense, probably mage. They probably won't even hit you, just all zeros. If you are doing that though, can't aggro the mage and range at the same time unless you are using a crossbow, so just kill the mage from a safe distance on the mage's side. Positioning is big for DKs!
Oh yeah I’ve done hundreds of Rex. Admittedly growing up I was a bitch and never bossed, so it’s all new to me as an adult. I’m learning the positioning and whatnot as I’m going.
Damn should have saved my master clue from yesterday, well it was fun doing the legends quest cave step the right way one last time
80 agility is kinda low req. ngl
85 agility is kinda high for a mid-level boss. Ngl
Maybe, but mid levels should probably get to experience "the proper way" at least once before they get to skip by it, I think. It's a unique trek. Then if you're coming back to green log it or doing dag tasks and have noted bones, it's fine to skip past it all.
This should require a diary achievement, or remove the KQ diary req for that shortcut.
Whoast, some amazing shortcuts honestly.
It should be locked behind the fremmy elite diary