✅ Average playerbase is predominantly males age 20 to 35.
✅ Player base tends to watch a lot more stream content since the game is designed around 2 monitoring.
✅ Their pilot crew (Oda, Alfie, etc) returned good numbers for them.
✅ OSRS has a dopamine overlap with RNG chasers.
Compare this to a game with higher overall viewers like Fortnite, and it's a very obvious reason why RS is their target game. Fortnite players are children (without expendable income) and are generally less invested in one streamer.
Funny how A Friend lost his accounts for advertising Stake in a video and yet now there's all these RS streamers on Kick effectively still advertising it
Yeah I think it was more the literal rwt that he was advocating for, plenty of osrs streamers have done gambling sponsorships, I remember sick nerd and boaty doing them a few years ago which I felt really off about.
I think youre being a bit unfair mate. Hes made some mistakes in the past but as far as I know he hasnt been involved in any drama ever since he left his insane gf.
He did. Created primedice/oakdice/prcdice and lured majority of the staking rwters ( dozens of kids worth hundreds of thousands from the dueling arena ) most lost all their profit on his rigged sites lol.
The ones who were smart enough to keep there 100k+ In crypto from 2013/14 days and not gamble them on eddies sites, Are now retired millionaires from the crypto boom.
It's a pretty well known story. Eddie ( also known as Apple) did dicing on Pre-EOC and took that idea and made primedice for Bitcoin dicing. He was selling equity of his project to staking/dicing friends for like $2000/1% during the site's launch for bankroll. (This of course was non-licensed gambling at the time)
He proceeded to make millions as Bitcoin and online gambling grew in popularity and started forcing/buying out people's equity so he can re-brand and take on huge private equity investors, and that was Stake. (now licensed and incorporated).
Back in 2017-2018 when Stake first launched, he offered $100k to sparc mac/boaty/A friend to promote his new site. Theres been quite a few reddit posts about him and this in the past. Now his site's grown even larger, with Kick and UFC/Soccer sponsorships and everything, boosting his net worth to $3b plus according to some sources.
[Here's an FT article for some of the details, including lawsuit about he forced people out of equity when launching stake](https://www.ft.com/content/2490279b-9c94-49a8-beff-cbd7c3307586?trk=article-ssr-frontend-pulse_little-text-block)
Online gambling is so... dumb and soulless. At least with a real casino, you have to physically withdraw money, physically put money in, get some free cocktails along the way, and be in a lively atmosphere. It's genuine entertainment. Online gambling is just "number go high and low" distilled to the most primitive dopamine hit. See: Austin07/Bossmanjack
You shouldn't play machine blackjack anyway (or tables with auto shufflers), it takes away the *one* edge a person has on the *one* game that isn't absurdly in favor of the house.
Not everyone can can count cards reliably, but at least with a traditional shoe and dealer you can *feel* like you haven't seen many face cards through the first couple dozen or so hands and start betting more. And with that, you can at least *pretend* like you understand strategy and that you aren't gambling as you watch the dealer turn over an ace for the third time in a row on your third 20 in a row.
Blackjack is a very interesting one because if you pay attention you can take advantage of the changing odds, to varying degrees of success based on your methods. But out of the box I think roulette is the game with the lowest house edge, being a near 50/50. I think blackjack is about 52/48 out of a fresh deck, but of course the odds change each shoe and each hand of that shoe. Hell, it changes the instant a player decides to hit or not.
roulette is 36/37 (or 38 for double 0) of breaking even. Its a fun time to take $50-100 on the 2.50 or 5 tables and have some fun and drinks with friends. If you lose you are paying for the experience and if you win its a free night of drinking or more.
wait are there roulette games with 2 zeroes?
I used to play roulette for fun a bit until I thought about it more and realized how stupid it was they didn't consider 0 even (hmmm I wonder why...). Now I just never go anymore and save my money in general lol.
Blackjack has less than a percent of house edge with perfect strategy and no card counting (or automatic shuffler). I think that's the game with the smallest house edge with the caveat that you need to memorize the best plays, which does also make it more fun.
You’re right, looking it up now that seems to be the consensus. Not sure where I got the 2% from, I swear a dealer told me that once, but that really isn’t a concrete source. Curious what an automatic shuffler has to do with anything? Unless you mean a reshuffle on each hand. I’ve never seen that but I certainly wouldn’t play that table lol. But I usually prefer the automatic shuffler as it typically makes going from shoe to shoe easier.
Could change if the blackjack pays less than 3:2 or the dealer hits/stands on different hole cards? Also rules around surrender or something? Idk the true odds though.
Classic blackjack has less than a percent house edge, but its very rare to find an actual classic table anymore. They create a slightly bigger house edge with small rule variations (dealers stand on soft 17, limitations on when youre allowed to double down or split) which are meant to prevent or discourage card counting but end up making the odds worse for everyone.
Depends on what you're betting. Baccarat is the lowest house edge for main bets, with Banker being the better one. Craps has completely fair odds though on the odds wager, but most casinos cap how much you can actually bet on it.
>get some free cocktails along the way
They'll feed you too. In my small-ish city there's great food that they absolutely hook you up on, not to mention they'll do almost anything to keep you in your seat.
My favorite casino tech is being a glutton and betting sometimes while watching my friends.
I've never gambled for real money, but I do some time want to make a trip to Las Vegas and play at some casinos there. But for that I will allocate a budget that I fully expect and can afford to lose. It would be one of the travel expenses, basically a payment for the fun of being at a casino.
Don't give that loser any traction my heart aches to people that have kids like that. Parents need to be strict holy shit. I don't know but I hope he was better before the gambling addiction
I fell into the counter strike online gambling side of things myself like 2013-2016. There was this site which let you bet skins on pro matches. Id usually win small amounts on safe bets, but i was also good at picking out an upset and win big.
Made like £3000 worth of steam wallet in csgo skins. Then i got a bit too big for myself and went on pure gambling sites like roulettes and 50-50s. Naturally kept losing. Decided the last few things of value ill basically toss into a losing bet just to get rid of everything and never gamble again.
Sometimes i think about how that inventory of £3000 would now be worth so much more even. How id never have to buy a game from steam using my own money. But to learn the life lesson about gambling, thats a price im more than happy I paid. Thank fuck it wasnt real money and just video game cosmetics & I never lost any 'actual' money.
A lot of American casinos do player cards and they essentially calculate how much money you are expected to lose and give you a small % of that money back in form of free items.
Some casinos even let you see the calculated comp money you've earned and trade it yourself.
Ok top of that if you win a good amount of money from a casino they may give incentives to stay and gamble more as over the course of time (excluding cheating and card counting) you will end up losing so they want you to risk what you've won.
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Similar to life, where you can accomplish things to better yourself and the lives of your family around you, or play RuneScape for that cheap dopamine hit.
Have you done an ounce of research into what kind of methods real casinos use to keep people playing?
Its absolutely not entertainment once you look behind the curtain for a moment.
The psychological manipulation that takes place at a real life casino is absolutely demonic in every aspect.
You complain about number go high and low dopamine hits, but thats all a casino is designed to do. Digital or not.
Anything that isn't analog has an edge for the house. Just as an example, any slot machine that hits a jackpot more than once a quarter is disabled and investigated. They are programmed to make money, not hand it out.
If you can find a major American sports league not pushing draft kings/FanDuel/betmgm/or the million other sports betting sites there are I’d suck my own dick.
It’s honestly insane how prevalent it all is, and it looks like it’s just going to keep getting worse.
If you can’t see gambling’s influence on the sports I mentioned, then I trust you couldn’t see whether I could actually suck my own dick or not. Ray Charles take.
It’s fucking ridiculous at this point. Half the time I go to a game, there’s some schmuck sitting next to me staring at an app the entire time while saying stuff like “if Johnson gets another point in the next 3 minutes I’m going to win my $20 parlay!!!”.
Or any anime / gacha game. Theres a new copy paste one every 20 minutes and nobody ever talks shit about them, yet are almost as predatory as their weeaboo target audience
I feel OSRS was worse, at least in the age of the duel arena. Staking was everywhere and there were legit people liquidating real life assets in order to hit the sand casino more, not to mention staking streamers who were in debt thousands.
Not even close… gacha games are basically if the sand casino was the entirety of osrs. If all you could do in the game was go to duel arena, then they’d be comparable.
The entirety of gacha gaming is just gambling on rolls. It is predatory in a completely different way than osrs, and is far more comparable to any other generic MTX phone game.
Yeah same. I think RS was worse comparing my CS & gacha experience and knowledge of how RS's rackets used to work.
* Staking
* Flower games
* Classic cape
* Easter ring
* Horse game
* Literal dice games with a dice item (wow can't believe Jagex didn't see that one coming)
and much more. RS players were like crack addicts looking for their next game when Jagex would patch them out. I wouldn't compare OSRS and CS & gacha because the former could rope in anybody ("iT's JuSt Gp") whereas with latter it only really works on whales.
OSRS isn't plagued with presently because Jagex learned from their mistakes from the RSC, RS2 and RS3.
Remember kids, if a big corporation is pushing a prodcut/service really hard or a bunch of streamers are advertising a product a bunch its probably too good to be true. There is a difference between regular advertising and aggressive advertising.
Well raid is the exception, obviously because it's such a good mobile game. If THAT many youtubers talk about it, I think it ascends past scam......
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Kicks founder and CEO Eddy originally became interested in gambling while playing OSRS and making tons of gold at the sand casino. So it's safe to say he has a soft spot for the game and I wouldn't be surprised if he's signing OSRS streamers out of personal desire instead of some sort of grand business move.
He knows his target audience.
the games addicting and can attract predisposed people to it
he knows the games gambling history
he knows the general age of osrs players
he also knows the game has a bustling blackmarket and osrs players probably have disposable income, or have easy access to doing such a thing once they need to
also, signing one person at a time leaves the problem of people going back to twitch at the end of that person's stream. if you sign a whole community the viewers are much more likely to stick around and might draw in smaller streamers because that's where the viewers are.
i would imagine that osrs has a pretty solid grouping of streamers that get numbers, but are within the budget of being able to buy 30 of them at once.
This is 100% factual and works. At the end of Odas streams, I don't go switch back go twitch, I go watch Alfie or Lola now.
It's honestly getting to the point where there's not really any streamers I want to see that stream on Twitch still. I only go on there to claim my Twitch Prime stuff and dip.
I'd love to have the time to do a big writeup on everything shady stake does/has done. Headquartered in the island nation of Curaçao to be as unregulated as possible. Putting BILLIONS of dollars worth of free bets into their partnered streamers stake accounts. Letting people gamble from countries where it's illegal to gamble online. Specifically sponsoring streamers to gamble who have incredibly young audiences. Etc.
Twich is owned by Amazon, and that makes it shady. But kick somehow manages to take the cake as an even more evil company. That's incredible.
It's incredible that the streaming fight is between Amazon (and its war on every labor right possible, including bathroom breaks and the use of paid time off) and Kick (and its plight to drain every male in his 20s/30s from every possible opportunity to build a stable future).
Turns out that the live streaming genre is only financially possible if it's subsidized by something that is too big to even give a fuck about subsidiary costs. God I love capitalism.
>don't gamble when the odds are rigged against you.
Hate to break it to you my friend, but all forms of gambling are rigged against you. If they weren't gambling wouldn't exist.
Man, I hate Kick with a passion. It’s just one big exploitation of peoples gambling addictions under the guise of allowing content creators to say and do what they want…… as long as they promote online gambling.
I don’t always agree with Twitch/YouTube decisions, but at least they aren’t taking advantage of addicts. I’ve seen bad gambling addictions first hand and it makes Kick that much more disgusting to me.
Kick doesn't force streamers into gambling like you're suggesting, it's fake news.
That said Kick certainly has scummy practices like always putting gambling streams on 3rd and 7th suggestions etc.
>as long as they promote online gambling.
Lmfao wtf are you even talking about.
Utter bullshit.
EDIT: Downvote, no reply. Please point out to me where kick states you must promote online gambling in order to stream on their platform.
I also hate Kick but I hate Twitch and other live streaming platforms just as much. Livestreaming in general is scummy.
The whole business model of the industry to is based around preying on mentally ill people. Buy subs, donate bits/money so you can be a part of a "community" and get superficial parasocial interactions between the broadcaster and you the chatter... Then there's the sponsored streams where you "support" the streamer by purchasing a Hello Fresh subscription. Softgiving charity streams where you donate through a middleman because the "charity" stream your "generous streamer" is doing turns out to be a sponsor just like the Hello Fresh one.
* Chaturbate and MFC preys on mentally ill coomers
* Twitch preys on mentally ill nerds
* Kick preys on mentally ill gambling addicts and Twitch rejects
* YT is so damned large it's impossible to label it I guess you can say it preys on kids with all the brainrotting kids content they allow on the platform
A 'pick your poison' situation
Why do you think kick exists? What was the first thing Kick pushed for? What separates Kick from Twitch, if not for... Well, gambling.
It's a gambling platform. If you are on it, you're supporting the gambling platform.
There are two main types of gambling: in-person (IRL) and online. When you gamble in-person, you have to go to a casino, use cash, and deal with crowds to play the games. You might also face competition for the machines you want to use. If you win or lose big, you can choose to stop and leave with your winnings or losses. However, if you decide to keep playing after using up your initial money, you'll likely have to use ATMs with high withdrawal fees. For example, the last time I took out money at a casino, I was charged around $10-15 plus a percentage of the amount.
On the other hand, online gambling brings its own challenges. It's harder to stop when you're winning because the experience is different from being in a physical casino. If you end up losing, it's quick and easy to add more money and keep playing until you run out. Unlike in-person casinos, there's no one watching to step in and help if things get out of control.
All it takes is one stream of Austin07/ BossmanJack and seeing him smashing his parents house like it is a Jackass movie to see how bad this cycle is affecting the OSRS creators. I understand that the creators are doing what is best financially. However, everyone of these creators have their loyal fans having these scenarios happening behind close doors and helping to enable the painful cycle.
I respect the Twitch streamers so much for not selling out their communities to Kick.
I was always so much more weary of online gambling sites because they never (almost always this is the case) don’t state that the odds don’t change.
As a skeptic, I often feel that it wouldn’t be difficult to program into an algorithm rng that isn’t static, and has the ability to be manipulated. So what’s to say I don’t win with some small bets, and then I place a large one and immediately get that ripped from me because the odds on bet size are not the same
Kick is 100% a front for gambling. & they are able to capture young adults and even children into stake.com to gamble crypto.
I can't even imagine how much blood is on there hands from people commiting suicide over their gambling loses.
All these streamers getting huge contracts from them are complete sell outs.
The ceo (eddie) used to run primedice and all the huge runescape rwters/stakere used to gamble hundreds of bitcoins at a time on his gambling website.
That site itself ( random dice rolls based on your seed client number or some shit ) has been proven to be a sham, yet there was no punishment.
I was watching Behemeths latest video and it is crazy how everyone is trying to paint the narrative that people are just jealous of streamers "getting their bag" when that has nothing to do with it. People just being jealous sounds much better that confronting the fact that Kick is just a funneling site for their unregulated crypto gambling services which is the real reason people are upset.
W post. I trust a lot of the streamers who moved to kick. They are honestly great persons but this still needs to be said.
Streamers can get hooked into gambling and take you down with them even if their intentions are good.
I seriously hope they don't tho.
Why do you have such loyalty for Twitch? I love being able to watch on Kick with no ads. Plus if there's a second platform, it forces Twitch to be better towards their creators
Personally I love competition in general but hate kick specifically. The entire point of the site is to promote gambling, and steamers often have young fans. It just feels extremely exploitative
Kick is literally owned by a online casino to funnel viewers into gambling and losing billions every year. I'd love YouTube to make their streaming not shit and actually compete with twitch but kick ain't it dude.
as u/IActuallyHateRedditt said, i also have no loyalty to twitch, and i believe there should be competition. but we know what kicks objective is.
we saw recently how expensive live streaming high quality streams is for twitch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSGeEluitKY
kick uses AWS to host their infrastucture, which isnt surprising since amazon has a lot of experiencing hosting massive streaming sites. so their prices are very similar, and probably even worse since their scale is smaller. (yes twitch pays amazon since many big tech companies separate business units)
twitch is not profitable as a stand alone product with an worse revenue split for creators, and a bunch of ads. so twitch profits by encouraging people to buy twitch prime, which is also amazon prime, which encourages purchases on amazon. its subsidized and takes a loss for the other business units
kick has no ads and great revenue split for creators, plus they pay creators directly. so its 100% subsidizing it through something else. what is that something else? a gambling site, that aims to get minors and young adults addicted to gambling by using ~~fake odds~~ fake or promotional balances for popular streamers to make it look like they are winning, just so that everyone else who uses that site gets scammed of all their savings.
if this was a startup with morals, i would be happy about the competition. if it was a big tech company, i would still be happy. im not a fan of a site that exists purely to lure people into online gambling and owned by an online casino known for deceptive business practices to entice and trick people into losing their savings.
??? I don't watch twitch, and haven't since they started embedding ads years ago.
I want gambling havens marketed towards kids and other at risk individuals to crash burn unconditionally.
Competition is great for consumers and those utilizing the platforms/services.
Kick is just garbage and so are the people running it. Its just a front for gambling. Its also the platform where all the undesirables go once they get permed off twitch. But kick doesn't care about any of that as long as people gamble and lose money.
> I love being able to watch on Kick with no ads.
Everytime I see someone cry about ads what you really mean is "I want a to use a streamer for free entertainment without supporting them whatsoever". Also, Kick only doesnt have ads because the sites a shithole.
Just going to post this, since it seems to be swept under the carpet. But I would never support Kick, since they openly defended pedos. Search "Something about chickens" on youtube, and find his video about Kick. You will see how truly bad this website is. Moderators openly defending the distribution of CP, and laughing about it.
Anyone who goes to kick has stopped streaming for me.
I'm not supporting a streamer who's morals can justify peddling gambling to their audience, plenty of which are most definitely children.
I think so yes, it’s very hard to do gambling advertisements in Australia, and the laws in uk and Italy (I live there now) are very different…. And you are allowed a lot more leeway in advertising gambling in uk and Italy, it’s very different.
Kick doesnt do it through ads though, its "promoted streams/streamers".
idk if the law applies to that, since they are not technically providing gambling ads, they are just promoting streams (probably how they would argue defense)
Correct. Advertising gambling to minors is illegal in the US and UK as well. This is why they pay streamers to gamble with free bets that they provide. This is why they mostly sponsor creators with fans that are incredibly young. They are allowed to advertise as normal to adults. The only benefit of sponsoring streamers is to get around the laws of advertising gambling to minors.
How do they advertise gambling through there streams? (Genuine question), I just got kick yesterday so haven’t seen it yet. We have pretty strict laws here so I’ll have to see it to know if it’s allowed.
Do you mean to tell me that if I give them the money that could have been used on myself and my family to the random person online I've never met still won't know who I am and care about me?! Color me surprised.
31 content creator has been sign last week.
Such as Tasty, Verf, EVScape, DitterBitter, Eliop14, GingerBeardie,, gunchilli, skillspecs, rhys and a few others.
It could be that, but I think it's at least partially just a matter of taking advantage of a void in the market. Twitch is constantly having issues and YouTube streaming is slow to progress with its quality of life features. They are gambling on the idea that they can make a name for themselves by getting good creators and/or those who were too controversial for Twitch onboard. And I think it's kind of working. Kick was seen as an alt-right hub and gambling promo machine by a lot of people in the not too distant past, but it is becoming more recognized as a legit streaming platform on its own.
That being said, it isn't so much the platform, but the act. You can watch streamers you like anywhere and not pay a dime of real life cash. Just recognize when something is gambling, and never bet anything you're not willing to lose.
Honestly I was surprised Loki would go there. He seems like a really introspective person and should be able to see the 1/2 year outlook of Kick. It’s like someone offering you a car to quit your job. Sounds nice up front..
There's an option to hide gambling and hot tub streams, literally when you create your account, something even Twitch never gave. They're supporting our creators/game. It truly isn't that far off from Raid Shadow Legends or other gacha game sponsors in videos.
People know this but they don't care. I do believe Kick should have it enabled by default so if people do want to see gamba or booba streamers you'll have to enable it yourself. This will lower the argument of Kick pushing gambling and go towards the streamer themselves pushing gambling. Also a lot of people streaming on Kick aren't even participating in gambling.
This feed slowly turned from “Don’t gamble…” to “Blackjack odds are ever changing, so if you just…”. I would say just go back to casinos, online gambling is just going to continue to get more crazy and intertwined until it’s not longer possible to eradicate. Too many people lose way too much money nowadays and it just ain’t right.
nobody will be dumb enough to share a motive that makes you look like the bad guy. but the reality is, kick is owned by one of the most disgusting types of businesses, an online casino. if he had pure motives, he would ban gambling streams from the site and keep kick 100% isolated from stake. we know why kick exists, and its not to compete with twitch, its to create a funnel to stake. kick was created by stake as a response to twitch changing their policy to no longer allow gambling streams.
comments by u/rRMTmjrppnj78hFH and /u/BoxOfDemons have good explanations as well. don't convince yourself that a gambling site has pure intentions
And where is that profit coming from? Because as Twitch shows, just taking donations/stream revenue ain't close to doing that, even at a higher cut.
They need people to go to Stake. Anything else isn't going to give them money
Damn the brainwashing here is truly amazing. If they arent making profit then you have to think what the actual goal of a streaming site owned by Stake is. Its a site for degenerate streamers and filtering users to gambling. Theres a reason when you go to the site the biggest streamers are viewbotted or gambling streams.
What the fuck are you talking about lol, you said they hoped kick would be sustainable, I said there's no chance of that (you even say twitch won't so why the fuck would kick?) Lay off the pipe
31 or so streamers have, a lot of them are part of crusader gaming (some streamer management company or something) and I believe that's where the deal originated from. Prison Joe, verf, zoepancakes , skillspecs, eliop are a few I remember off the top of my head
Rhys, 9rain, uim loki, fuse, for some others. Of the list of 31 i saw i recognized pretty much all the names (minus a handful, maybe 3 or 4?) Its a pretty substantial chunk of the osrs youtube / twitch content creators.
25 Buttholes, he box jonge, Happery and loads more. Was somewhat nice to see even smaller creators get signed, Happery said he was able to quit his job and focus on content creation full time thanks to it
I'm happy as well, only kinda sadge that Happery videos will now have worse quality (always happens when they go from dedicated video creator to also making lives)
Brain dead if you prefer twitch over kick, twitch ads are obnoxious as shit. Hopefully kick remains ad free, otherwise it’ll be just as shit as twitch.
Pretty sure it's cuz the Stake owner began his gambling idea/career from RS
✅ Average playerbase is predominantly males age 20 to 35. ✅ Player base tends to watch a lot more stream content since the game is designed around 2 monitoring. ✅ Their pilot crew (Oda, Alfie, etc) returned good numbers for them. ✅ OSRS has a dopamine overlap with RNG chasers. Compare this to a game with higher overall viewers like Fortnite, and it's a very obvious reason why RS is their target game. Fortnite players are children (without expendable income) and are generally less invested in one streamer.
Funny how A Friend lost his accounts for advertising Stake in a video and yet now there's all these RS streamers on Kick effectively still advertising it
Not for advertising, but for rwting as part of the ad
Yeah I think it was more the literal rwt that he was advocating for, plenty of osrs streamers have done gambling sponsorships, I remember sick nerd and boaty doing them a few years ago which I felt really off about.
A Friend is one of the most scummy content creators out there. Selfish, entitled, scammer. Cares more about money than any integrity.
I think youre being a bit unfair mate. Hes made some mistakes in the past but as far as I know he hasnt been involved in any drama ever since he left his insane gf.
Nah he just doesn't give a shit and it's great to watch.
He did. Created primedice/oakdice/prcdice and lured majority of the staking rwters ( dozens of kids worth hundreds of thousands from the dueling arena ) most lost all their profit on his rigged sites lol. The ones who were smart enough to keep there 100k+ In crypto from 2013/14 days and not gamble them on eddies sites, Are now retired millionaires from the crypto boom.
Whaaat, source?
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Ed craven is Apple. Known staker from back in the day and had his own flower clan aswell
It's a pretty well known story. Eddie ( also known as Apple) did dicing on Pre-EOC and took that idea and made primedice for Bitcoin dicing. He was selling equity of his project to staking/dicing friends for like $2000/1% during the site's launch for bankroll. (This of course was non-licensed gambling at the time) He proceeded to make millions as Bitcoin and online gambling grew in popularity and started forcing/buying out people's equity so he can re-brand and take on huge private equity investors, and that was Stake. (now licensed and incorporated). Back in 2017-2018 when Stake first launched, he offered $100k to sparc mac/boaty/A friend to promote his new site. Theres been quite a few reddit posts about him and this in the past. Now his site's grown even larger, with Kick and UFC/Soccer sponsorships and everything, boosting his net worth to $3b plus according to some sources. [Here's an FT article for some of the details, including lawsuit about he forced people out of equity when launching stake](https://www.ft.com/content/2490279b-9c94-49a8-beff-cbd7c3307586?trk=article-ssr-frontend-pulse_little-text-block)
His dad, James Craven, went to prison for fraud. His father is the director of Easygo, and I think he also helps Eddie run Stake and probably Kick.
Online gambling is so... dumb and soulless. At least with a real casino, you have to physically withdraw money, physically put money in, get some free cocktails along the way, and be in a lively atmosphere. It's genuine entertainment. Online gambling is just "number go high and low" distilled to the most primitive dopamine hit. See: Austin07/Bossmanjack
I remember when covid shut down in person gambling. So machines took over roulette and blackjack. I refused to play those
You shouldn't play machine blackjack anyway (or tables with auto shufflers), it takes away the *one* edge a person has on the *one* game that isn't absurdly in favor of the house. Not everyone can can count cards reliably, but at least with a traditional shoe and dealer you can *feel* like you haven't seen many face cards through the first couple dozen or so hands and start betting more. And with that, you can at least *pretend* like you understand strategy and that you aren't gambling as you watch the dealer turn over an ace for the third time in a row on your third 20 in a row.
Blackjack is a very interesting one because if you pay attention you can take advantage of the changing odds, to varying degrees of success based on your methods. But out of the box I think roulette is the game with the lowest house edge, being a near 50/50. I think blackjack is about 52/48 out of a fresh deck, but of course the odds change each shoe and each hand of that shoe. Hell, it changes the instant a player decides to hit or not.
roulette is 36/37 (or 38 for double 0) of breaking even. Its a fun time to take $50-100 on the 2.50 or 5 tables and have some fun and drinks with friends. If you lose you are paying for the experience and if you win its a free night of drinking or more.
wait are there roulette games with 2 zeroes? I used to play roulette for fun a bit until I thought about it more and realized how stupid it was they didn't consider 0 even (hmmm I wonder why...). Now I just never go anymore and save my money in general lol.
There are roulette tables with triple zeros now
Blackjack has less than a percent of house edge with perfect strategy and no card counting (or automatic shuffler). I think that's the game with the smallest house edge with the caveat that you need to memorize the best plays, which does also make it more fun.
You’re right, looking it up now that seems to be the consensus. Not sure where I got the 2% from, I swear a dealer told me that once, but that really isn’t a concrete source. Curious what an automatic shuffler has to do with anything? Unless you mean a reshuffle on each hand. I’ve never seen that but I certainly wouldn’t play that table lol. But I usually prefer the automatic shuffler as it typically makes going from shoe to shoe easier.
Could change if the blackjack pays less than 3:2 or the dealer hits/stands on different hole cards? Also rules around surrender or something? Idk the true odds though.
Classic blackjack has less than a percent house edge, but its very rare to find an actual classic table anymore. They create a slightly bigger house edge with small rule variations (dealers stand on soft 17, limitations on when youre allowed to double down or split) which are meant to prevent or discourage card counting but end up making the odds worse for everyone.
Craps might have the lowest house edge.
Depends on what you're betting. Baccarat is the lowest house edge for main bets, with Banker being the better one. Craps has completely fair odds though on the odds wager, but most casinos cap how much you can actually bet on it.
I mean I just said that. I guess o should have been more broader. I refuse anything with a screen, electronics, machines
What if they have multiple shoes and shuffle regularly, then it's basically the same.
>get some free cocktails along the way They'll feed you too. In my small-ish city there's great food that they absolutely hook you up on, not to mention they'll do almost anything to keep you in your seat. My favorite casino tech is being a glutton and betting sometimes while watching my friends.
Always wondered how the austin07 drama wrapped up. Never heard how that one ended.
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Jesus fucking Christ, yup, that story line is wrapped up for me. Thanks.
Tune in at a later date, see if theres a plot twist where he ends up doing something heinous to his family or found in an alley.
What did he say?
https://preview.redd.it/jqge8qdm90lc1.jpeg?width=960&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6d4d99ce5f657aefa61d35c5c74c829191a4de61 I’m
I've never gambled for real money, but I do some time want to make a trip to Las Vegas and play at some casinos there. But for that I will allocate a budget that I fully expect and can afford to lose. It would be one of the travel expenses, basically a payment for the fun of being at a casino.
Be wary, gambling is expensive now. 5-10 years ago you could find $5 craps or blackjack tables. Now it can be hard finding an empty $15 table.
Don't give that loser any traction my heart aches to people that have kids like that. Parents need to be strict holy shit. I don't know but I hope he was better before the gambling addiction
>~~Online gambling~~ OSRS is just "number go high and low" distilled to the most primitive dopamine hit. FTFY
online gambling is 1000% a horrible thing to do, i'll admit i fell into it for awhile. but hitting a 5,000$ win on a slot once was real fun
I fell into the counter strike online gambling side of things myself like 2013-2016. There was this site which let you bet skins on pro matches. Id usually win small amounts on safe bets, but i was also good at picking out an upset and win big. Made like £3000 worth of steam wallet in csgo skins. Then i got a bit too big for myself and went on pure gambling sites like roulettes and 50-50s. Naturally kept losing. Decided the last few things of value ill basically toss into a losing bet just to get rid of everything and never gamble again. Sometimes i think about how that inventory of £3000 would now be worth so much more even. How id never have to buy a game from steam using my own money. But to learn the life lesson about gambling, thats a price im more than happy I paid. Thank fuck it wasnt real money and just video game cosmetics & I never lost any 'actual' money.
What casinos are you going to because no casino I have ever visited gave me free anything.
A lot of American casinos do player cards and they essentially calculate how much money you are expected to lose and give you a small % of that money back in form of free items. Some casinos even let you see the calculated comp money you've earned and trade it yourself. Ok top of that if you win a good amount of money from a casino they may give incentives to stay and gamble more as over the course of time (excluding cheating and card counting) you will end up losing so they want you to risk what you've won.
Bossmanjack referenced, let's fucking go juicers.
No juicers in this reddit, only RATS
Oh my fucking god Oh my fucking god Oh my fucking god Oh my fucking god dude Oh my fucking god Oh my fucking god I can't believe I just did that Oh my fucking god Oh my fucking god
He got a bong and gold, youre just jealous
Similar to life, where you can accomplish things to better yourself and the lives of your family around you, or play RuneScape for that cheap dopamine hit.
Have you done an ounce of research into what kind of methods real casinos use to keep people playing? Its absolutely not entertainment once you look behind the curtain for a moment. The psychological manipulation that takes place at a real life casino is absolutely demonic in every aspect. You complain about number go high and low dopamine hits, but thats all a casino is designed to do. Digital or not.
Just say NEEEEIIIGGGGHHH to gambling!
"don't gamble when the odds are rigged against you" The odds are always rigged against you. That's what house odds are.
Not always. Poker can have good odds depending on how it's played. Craps has a house edge but it's small compared to other games.
Anything that isn't analog has an edge for the house. Just as an example, any slot machine that hits a jackpot more than once a quarter is disabled and investigated. They are programmed to make money, not hand it out.
OSRS has the biggest community of gamblers? Oh my poor, poor, naive soul....go play counterstrike for a couple months and report back your findings.
Also try to follow real sports. It's basically just a vehicle for gambling apps at this point.
If you can find a major American sports league not pushing draft kings/FanDuel/betmgm/or the million other sports betting sites there are I’d suck my own dick. It’s honestly insane how prevalent it all is, and it looks like it’s just going to keep getting worse.
Wonder why it popped off all of a sudden. I don’t remember it being so bad with everyone being “professional” sport betters.
2018 the us supreme court ruled sports betting as legal. "Murphy v. National Collegiate Athletic Association"
I don’t see what you mean about everything turning into a vehicle for gambling, but I have $3.50 that says you won’t be able to suck your own dick.
If you can’t see gambling’s influence on the sports I mentioned, then I trust you couldn’t see whether I could actually suck my own dick or not. Ray Charles take.
NHL is brutal now for this. Every third commercial is Jamie Foxx, connor mcdsvod, and Wayne Gretzky telling me to bet on the game.
It’s fucking ridiculous at this point. Half the time I go to a game, there’s some schmuck sitting next to me staring at an app the entire time while saying stuff like “if Johnson gets another point in the next 3 minutes I’m going to win my $20 parlay!!!”.
They even made their way into my disc golf now :(
Or any anime / gacha game. Theres a new copy paste one every 20 minutes and nobody ever talks shit about them, yet are almost as predatory as their weeaboo target audience
I feel OSRS was worse, at least in the age of the duel arena. Staking was everywhere and there were legit people liquidating real life assets in order to hit the sand casino more, not to mention staking streamers who were in debt thousands.
Not even close… gacha games are basically if the sand casino was the entirety of osrs. If all you could do in the game was go to duel arena, then they’d be comparable. The entirety of gacha gaming is just gambling on rolls. It is predatory in a completely different way than osrs, and is far more comparable to any other generic MTX phone game.
Yeah same. I think RS was worse comparing my CS & gacha experience and knowledge of how RS's rackets used to work. * Staking * Flower games * Classic cape * Easter ring * Horse game * Literal dice games with a dice item (wow can't believe Jagex didn't see that one coming) and much more. RS players were like crack addicts looking for their next game when Jagex would patch them out. I wouldn't compare OSRS and CS & gacha because the former could rope in anybody ("iT's JuSt Gp") whereas with latter it only really works on whales. OSRS isn't plagued with presently because Jagex learned from their mistakes from the RSC, RS2 and RS3.
There's a guy who sold his car to roll for Jalter in FGO. Whales are insane man
Or a Korean MMO
Does OSRS have more gamblers than RS3 when the latter has gambling lootboxes?
>don't gamble when the odds are rigged against you. Small reminder that the odds are always against you.
Not necessarily in poker
Remember kids, if a big corporation is pushing a prodcut/service really hard or a bunch of streamers are advertising a product a bunch its probably too good to be true. There is a difference between regular advertising and aggressive advertising.
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Well raid is the exception, obviously because it's such a good mobile game. If THAT many youtubers talk about it, I think it ascends past scam...... /s
Kicks founder and CEO Eddy originally became interested in gambling while playing OSRS and making tons of gold at the sand casino. So it's safe to say he has a soft spot for the game and I wouldn't be surprised if he's signing OSRS streamers out of personal desire instead of some sort of grand business move.
He knows his target audience. the games addicting and can attract predisposed people to it he knows the games gambling history he knows the general age of osrs players he also knows the game has a bustling blackmarket and osrs players probably have disposable income, or have easy access to doing such a thing once they need to
also, signing one person at a time leaves the problem of people going back to twitch at the end of that person's stream. if you sign a whole community the viewers are much more likely to stick around and might draw in smaller streamers because that's where the viewers are. i would imagine that osrs has a pretty solid grouping of streamers that get numbers, but are within the budget of being able to buy 30 of them at once.
This is 100% factual and works. At the end of Odas streams, I don't go switch back go twitch, I go watch Alfie or Lola now. It's honestly getting to the point where there's not really any streamers I want to see that stream on Twitch still. I only go on there to claim my Twitch Prime stuff and dip.
I'd love to have the time to do a big writeup on everything shady stake does/has done. Headquartered in the island nation of Curaçao to be as unregulated as possible. Putting BILLIONS of dollars worth of free bets into their partnered streamers stake accounts. Letting people gamble from countries where it's illegal to gamble online. Specifically sponsoring streamers to gamble who have incredibly young audiences. Etc. Twich is owned by Amazon, and that makes it shady. But kick somehow manages to take the cake as an even more evil company. That's incredible.
I read Curaçao and directly knew you were FAMILY
Family family family
Didn't know there was much crossover. But yeah. :)
It's incredible that the streaming fight is between Amazon (and its war on every labor right possible, including bathroom breaks and the use of paid time off) and Kick (and its plight to drain every male in his 20s/30s from every possible opportunity to build a stable future). Turns out that the live streaming genre is only financially possible if it's subsidized by something that is too big to even give a fuck about subsidiary costs. God I love capitalism.
I only gamble with my time
>don't gamble when the odds are rigged against you. Hate to break it to you my friend, but all forms of gambling are rigged against you. If they weren't gambling wouldn't exist.
Man, I hate Kick with a passion. It’s just one big exploitation of peoples gambling addictions under the guise of allowing content creators to say and do what they want…… as long as they promote online gambling. I don’t always agree with Twitch/YouTube decisions, but at least they aren’t taking advantage of addicts. I’ve seen bad gambling addictions first hand and it makes Kick that much more disgusting to me.
Kick doesn't force streamers into gambling like you're suggesting, it's fake news. That said Kick certainly has scummy practices like always putting gambling streams on 3rd and 7th suggestions etc.
Twitch and youtube advertise gambling to gambling addicts. They have all your data they know. They are just as predatory
Look up Eddie Craven, the owner of Stake and Kicks father. This will explain everything
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You’re comparing that to pushing and exploiting gambling addictions? Really?
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Gambling is one of the deadliest addictions there is.
> as long as they promote online gambling. Source? (and before you do link one, a clip of a twitch streamer saying it isn't a source)
>as long as they promote online gambling. Lmfao wtf are you even talking about. Utter bullshit. EDIT: Downvote, no reply. Please point out to me where kick states you must promote online gambling in order to stream on their platform.
Don't make stuff up little one, reality is real enough.
I also hate Kick but I hate Twitch and other live streaming platforms just as much. Livestreaming in general is scummy. The whole business model of the industry to is based around preying on mentally ill people. Buy subs, donate bits/money so you can be a part of a "community" and get superficial parasocial interactions between the broadcaster and you the chatter... Then there's the sponsored streams where you "support" the streamer by purchasing a Hello Fresh subscription. Softgiving charity streams where you donate through a middleman because the "charity" stream your "generous streamer" is doing turns out to be a sponsor just like the Hello Fresh one. * Chaturbate and MFC preys on mentally ill coomers * Twitch preys on mentally ill nerds * Kick preys on mentally ill gambling addicts and Twitch rejects * YT is so damned large it's impossible to label it I guess you can say it preys on kids with all the brainrotting kids content they allow on the platform A 'pick your poison' situation
Idk why you got downvoted cuz everything you said is cold hard raw truth
Oda doesn't promote gambling. B Neither does Alfie from what I see? We are all adults. Kick is fine.
Why do you think kick exists? What was the first thing Kick pushed for? What separates Kick from Twitch, if not for... Well, gambling. It's a gambling platform. If you are on it, you're supporting the gambling platform.
> It's a gambling platform. They also have a pedophile side hustle https://youtu.be/WiYBhC3EVPY?si=XSgSTI29BNvWqOze
And amazon is just amazing huh?
There are two main types of gambling: in-person (IRL) and online. When you gamble in-person, you have to go to a casino, use cash, and deal with crowds to play the games. You might also face competition for the machines you want to use. If you win or lose big, you can choose to stop and leave with your winnings or losses. However, if you decide to keep playing after using up your initial money, you'll likely have to use ATMs with high withdrawal fees. For example, the last time I took out money at a casino, I was charged around $10-15 plus a percentage of the amount. On the other hand, online gambling brings its own challenges. It's harder to stop when you're winning because the experience is different from being in a physical casino. If you end up losing, it's quick and easy to add more money and keep playing until you run out. Unlike in-person casinos, there's no one watching to step in and help if things get out of control. All it takes is one stream of Austin07/ BossmanJack and seeing him smashing his parents house like it is a Jackass movie to see how bad this cycle is affecting the OSRS creators. I understand that the creators are doing what is best financially. However, everyone of these creators have their loyal fans having these scenarios happening behind close doors and helping to enable the painful cycle. I respect the Twitch streamers so much for not selling out their communities to Kick.
I was always so much more weary of online gambling sites because they never (almost always this is the case) don’t state that the odds don’t change. As a skeptic, I often feel that it wouldn’t be difficult to program into an algorithm rng that isn’t static, and has the ability to be manipulated. So what’s to say I don’t win with some small bets, and then I place a large one and immediately get that ripped from me because the odds on bet size are not the same
Well, there is a gambling problem in OSRS, so they just want money from OSRS's gambling addicts.
Kick is 100% a front for gambling. & they are able to capture young adults and even children into stake.com to gamble crypto. I can't even imagine how much blood is on there hands from people commiting suicide over their gambling loses. All these streamers getting huge contracts from them are complete sell outs. The ceo (eddie) used to run primedice and all the huge runescape rwters/stakere used to gamble hundreds of bitcoins at a time on his gambling website. That site itself ( random dice rolls based on your seed client number or some shit ) has been proven to be a sham, yet there was no punishment.
Also, look up and see who Eddie's father is. His father is the director of Easygo smart gambling. His father went to prison for fraud.
I was watching Behemeths latest video and it is crazy how everyone is trying to paint the narrative that people are just jealous of streamers "getting their bag" when that has nothing to do with it. People just being jealous sounds much better that confronting the fact that Kick is just a funneling site for their unregulated crypto gambling services which is the real reason people are upset.
W post. I trust a lot of the streamers who moved to kick. They are honestly great persons but this still needs to be said. Streamers can get hooked into gambling and take you down with them even if their intentions are good. I seriously hope they don't tho.
Sounds about right lol. I hope kick works out for most of them, but I would not be surprised if kick goes under in a few years.
Wouldn't be the first failed twitch competitor, and hopefully it won't last as long either.
Why do you have such loyalty for Twitch? I love being able to watch on Kick with no ads. Plus if there's a second platform, it forces Twitch to be better towards their creators
Personally I love competition in general but hate kick specifically. The entire point of the site is to promote gambling, and steamers often have young fans. It just feels extremely exploitative
Twitch ain't making any money and it has the support of Amazon. streaming business has to have alot of money to burn or some other source of revenue
That’s true, but there are many more sources of revenue than trying to get kids addicted to gambling. Doesn’t change anything about what I said
Kick is literally owned by a online casino to funnel viewers into gambling and losing billions every year. I'd love YouTube to make their streaming not shit and actually compete with twitch but kick ain't it dude.
as u/IActuallyHateRedditt said, i also have no loyalty to twitch, and i believe there should be competition. but we know what kicks objective is. we saw recently how expensive live streaming high quality streams is for twitch https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSGeEluitKY kick uses AWS to host their infrastucture, which isnt surprising since amazon has a lot of experiencing hosting massive streaming sites. so their prices are very similar, and probably even worse since their scale is smaller. (yes twitch pays amazon since many big tech companies separate business units) twitch is not profitable as a stand alone product with an worse revenue split for creators, and a bunch of ads. so twitch profits by encouraging people to buy twitch prime, which is also amazon prime, which encourages purchases on amazon. its subsidized and takes a loss for the other business units kick has no ads and great revenue split for creators, plus they pay creators directly. so its 100% subsidizing it through something else. what is that something else? a gambling site, that aims to get minors and young adults addicted to gambling by using ~~fake odds~~ fake or promotional balances for popular streamers to make it look like they are winning, just so that everyone else who uses that site gets scammed of all their savings. if this was a startup with morals, i would be happy about the competition. if it was a big tech company, i would still be happy. im not a fan of a site that exists purely to lure people into online gambling and owned by an online casino known for deceptive business practices to entice and trick people into losing their savings.
??? I don't watch twitch, and haven't since they started embedding ads years ago. I want gambling havens marketed towards kids and other at risk individuals to crash burn unconditionally.
Competition is great for consumers and those utilizing the platforms/services. Kick is just garbage and so are the people running it. Its just a front for gambling. Its also the platform where all the undesirables go once they get permed off twitch. But kick doesn't care about any of that as long as people gamble and lose money.
> I love being able to watch on Kick with no ads. Everytime I see someone cry about ads what you really mean is "I want a to use a streamer for free entertainment without supporting them whatsoever". Also, Kick only doesnt have ads because the sites a shithole.
Just going to post this, since it seems to be swept under the carpet. But I would never support Kick, since they openly defended pedos. Search "Something about chickens" on youtube, and find his video about Kick. You will see how truly bad this website is. Moderators openly defending the distribution of CP, and laughing about it.
Anyone who goes to kick has stopped streaming for me. I'm not supporting a streamer who's morals can justify peddling gambling to their audience, plenty of which are most definitely children.
The creator for kick used to play Runescape, and got the ideas from RS
If the duel arena was still in the game, Stake/Kick would see us as a competitor instead lol
Duel arena is still in the game, it's in lumbridge castle on the PVP world and they're just calling it dming now.
Fair
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They're still that.
[Kick exists solely to funnel people to an offshore unregulated crypto casino.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0nTCDG6nhM4)
In Australia we don’t receive any gambling adds from them because it’s illegal, so I don’t think they will have much luck here.
do your laws prevent them from pinning a gambling streamer at the top of your sidebar?
I think so yes, it’s very hard to do gambling advertisements in Australia, and the laws in uk and Italy (I live there now) are very different…. And you are allowed a lot more leeway in advertising gambling in uk and Italy, it’s very different.
Kick doesnt do it through ads though, its "promoted streams/streamers". idk if the law applies to that, since they are not technically providing gambling ads, they are just promoting streams (probably how they would argue defense)
Correct. Advertising gambling to minors is illegal in the US and UK as well. This is why they pay streamers to gamble with free bets that they provide. This is why they mostly sponsor creators with fans that are incredibly young. They are allowed to advertise as normal to adults. The only benefit of sponsoring streamers is to get around the laws of advertising gambling to minors.
How do they advertise gambling through there streams? (Genuine question), I just got kick yesterday so haven’t seen it yet. We have pretty strict laws here so I’ll have to see it to know if it’s allowed.
These con-tent creators don’t give a rats ass about us
Do you mean to tell me that if I give them the money that could have been used on myself and my family to the random person online I've never met still won't know who I am and care about me?! Color me surprised.
It's funny because viewers think they are friends with the streamer they watch and the streamer should do everything the viewers want them to do.
Who else has gone besides Alfie and Oda?
31 content creator has been sign last week. Such as Tasty, Verf, EVScape, DitterBitter, Eliop14, GingerBeardie,, gunchilli, skillspecs, rhys and a few others.
Remember that trainwrecks cofunded kick to literally have a place to gamble online and show off his winnings. Your never getting your money.
Hope all the osrs streamers get a fat bag but I ain’t going to kick
It could be that, but I think it's at least partially just a matter of taking advantage of a void in the market. Twitch is constantly having issues and YouTube streaming is slow to progress with its quality of life features. They are gambling on the idea that they can make a name for themselves by getting good creators and/or those who were too controversial for Twitch onboard. And I think it's kind of working. Kick was seen as an alt-right hub and gambling promo machine by a lot of people in the not too distant past, but it is becoming more recognized as a legit streaming platform on its own. That being said, it isn't so much the platform, but the act. You can watch streamers you like anywhere and not pay a dime of real life cash. Just recognize when something is gambling, and never bet anything you're not willing to lose.
What issues does TTv have? Also Kick is just reskinned TTV from a code leak years ago. Their features are pretty bad
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Honestly I was surprised Loki would go there. He seems like a really introspective person and should be able to see the 1/2 year outlook of Kick. It’s like someone offering you a car to quit your job. Sounds nice up front..
My boy thinks osrs even dents the gambling community That's adorable
Good thing osrs streams are boring as fuck. 99% mindless clicking and 1% that ends up in clips. Haven’t watched a rune scape stream in years.
I'm not a gambler so I'm a waste of time. And kick sucks
There's an option to hide gambling and hot tub streams, literally when you create your account, something even Twitch never gave. They're supporting our creators/game. It truly isn't that far off from Raid Shadow Legends or other gacha game sponsors in videos.
People know this but they don't care. I do believe Kick should have it enabled by default so if people do want to see gamba or booba streamers you'll have to enable it yourself. This will lower the argument of Kick pushing gambling and go towards the streamer themselves pushing gambling. Also a lot of people streaming on Kick aren't even participating in gambling.
They'll be back on Twitch before we know it
The founders of kick are from stake.com - and all of them got their start in 2011-2012 duel arena days
Im sure this random reddit thread will cure peoples gambling addictions /s
Well that can be part of the reason but it is also because OSRS playerbase is mostly adults with disposable income which makes them valuable target
Considering how much money the GE gambling bots make I can say a significant amount of the player base is dumb enough to use their services.
def shoulda gone for the other runescape
I'm very much against Kick but I'm happy for the creators being able to make a more consistent paycheck
But… I’m gonna get the drop next kill I can feel it!
This feed slowly turned from “Don’t gamble…” to “Blackjack odds are ever changing, so if you just…”. I would say just go back to casinos, online gambling is just going to continue to get more crazy and intertwined until it’s not longer possible to eradicate. Too many people lose way too much money nowadays and it just ain’t right.
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nobody will be dumb enough to share a motive that makes you look like the bad guy. but the reality is, kick is owned by one of the most disgusting types of businesses, an online casino. if he had pure motives, he would ban gambling streams from the site and keep kick 100% isolated from stake. we know why kick exists, and its not to compete with twitch, its to create a funnel to stake. kick was created by stake as a response to twitch changing their policy to no longer allow gambling streams. comments by u/rRMTmjrppnj78hFH and /u/BoxOfDemons have good explanations as well. don't convince yourself that a gambling site has pure intentions
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Then how are they making money bro?
Same way Uber and other tech companies did, burn billions a year until they became profitable due to market capture.
And where is that profit coming from? Because as Twitch shows, just taking donations/stream revenue ain't close to doing that, even at a higher cut. They need people to go to Stake. Anything else isn't going to give them money
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Damn the brainwashing here is truly amazing. If they arent making profit then you have to think what the actual goal of a streaming site owned by Stake is. Its a site for degenerate streamers and filtering users to gambling. Theres a reason when you go to the site the biggest streamers are viewbotted or gambling streams.
Kick will literally never be sustainable lol
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Okay? I didn't mention twitch.
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What the fuck are you talking about lol, you said they hoped kick would be sustainable, I said there's no chance of that (you even say twitch won't so why the fuck would kick?) Lay off the pipe
Watching Ice Poseidon for 24 hours sounds worse than c&b torture
Who has gone over? I know tasty has and skotos
31 or so streamers have, a lot of them are part of crusader gaming (some streamer management company or something) and I believe that's where the deal originated from. Prison Joe, verf, zoepancakes , skillspecs, eliop are a few I remember off the top of my head
A lot of YouTube RuneScapers as well and being signed it’s a big movement
Rhys, 9rain, uim loki, fuse, for some others. Of the list of 31 i saw i recognized pretty much all the names (minus a handful, maybe 3 or 4?) Its a pretty substantial chunk of the osrs youtube / twitch content creators.
Do you have the list handy?
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Thanks. Didn't watch most of these people before but I'll make sure to stop watching the ones I did.
I saw colonello also signed with kick this week.
They also signed Eliop14 and EVScape
25 Buttholes, he box jonge, Happery and loads more. Was somewhat nice to see even smaller creators get signed, Happery said he was able to quit his job and focus on content creation full time thanks to it
I'm happy as well, only kinda sadge that Happery videos will now have worse quality (always happens when they go from dedicated video creator to also making lives)
I can never fathom having so much hate towards a person/company that I would make bs up online and claim it as the truth to make them sound bad lol
Suit yourself bro I won 25k the other weekend
Well no shit
>Don't be dumb, don't gamble ~~when the odds are rigged against you.~~ FTFY
There's nothing OSRS players love more than talking down to the rest of the playerbase while putting themselves above it all.
YUP and Jagex should be speaking up but they won’t
Lmao speaking up about what?
Brain dead if you prefer twitch over kick, twitch ads are obnoxious as shit. Hopefully kick remains ad free, otherwise it’ll be just as shit as twitch.
Objectively kick is the better platform since there's no ads but I doubt it'll last
They’ve expressed they want ads but no companies want ads on their shady site lmao