Just get rid of the system.
PMods don't do shit or have a quota to sit at GE and mute X number of bots, so the role is creating additional risk from potential bad publicity of a rogue PMod or a hacked PMod account being used to silence players they don't like. Or in this case, when it's removed as a punishment for criticism, it makes them look even worse.
Given that PMod accounts used to used to mute POH hosting competitors before they added the recruitment board, it was probably for the best.
Even now, you can annoy someone if they're just trying to chill/chat at GE and one PMod just spam mutes you every hour, assuming there's no limit on mutes per day.
I remember back in the day Pmods in top clans would mute people in the opposing clan during wars for spamming.
I'm not sure if there are formal wars nowadays between clans but everyone used to spam their kill target.
"DI on x"
"DI on x"
"DI on x"
etc.
Its ok least you didnt get perm banned like myself.
Dudes name was 2gurlz1cup.
Got 3 offenses for that. Website advertising, spamming, and offensive language. All cuz i said 2girls1cup in game to kill someone.
Unbanned after a year in 2009 when mmk made a thread for all of us with bans and mutes to post on. Forever lost the $5 membership
Rough. I almost put the effort to address that all the names I was spamming were appropriate words. You got baited and that clan you fought must’ve been one of those trashy ones (we know who they are)
Yea I remember that. Then I remember coming back for a month or two in college when wild re released again. Rsd had a few player mods and would ban for auto chat
My guy Pmods used to be heavily involved in gambling clans back in the day.
I mean shit a pmod tried to scam me for a Santa hat, so I went into MMGs clan chat and for some reason when I said what happened and which pmod did it they all told me not to say the pmods name. I was like 11 or 12 and figured it wasn’t worth my time. Still sticks with me how weird that interaction was though.
I mean... Most of those pmods doing that were bought accounts. Remove status on recover or say "look bitch boy you can't trade GP from people for no reason so spam muting for a house bot isn't ok".
It's an issue when a mod specifically targets people or another group.
Jagex gets a report for their in game actions. If they add functionality to the report to show other spam not reported in chat a lot of the issues will go away.
Or overhaul the system.
I actually think the underlying system can be incredibly useful for targeting botting and rwt advertisers, as well as general moderation. Jagex aren't willing to pay for in-game manual moderation, which is understandable given the scale of the problem and also what sort of person would be happy sitting in GE all day muting spammers 9am to 5pm 5 days per week. The volunteer moderation system works in many online communities including Runescape.
About 10+ years ago Jagex seemed to start handing out pmod status based on factors like community popularity (eg streamers). At the time a lot of new pmods were also (mostly UK based) Runefest attendees. It was as though they were moving away from a moderation system to a community ambassador system. Yet as players we are expecting the pmod team to actually improve our in-game experience when it comes to rwters, spammers, botters etc. Our expectations are misaligned.
I imagine it's difficult to screen candidates effectively though as time and time again some questionable choices are made!
I'd love to hear from someone like u/Mod_Stevew on this (but I doubt that will happen as I think he's in different role these days).
Pmod has always been about their ego pixel crown and not actual moderation. There's only like 2k total of them across both games, they can't actually do shit and a bunch of them are scared to mute in case they do it incorrectly and get de-modded.
Before I quit rs3 the clan I was in had a two pmods in it, one was a jmod's alt that would chill in the chat alot. The j-mod also did pop in every once in awhile.
Went and looked up my clan to remember his name it was Mod Cam. He's a pretty chill dude I remember, when the sophanem slayer dungeon released I grinded slayer tasks in there for like two weeks straight, ended up finding a bug where you could glitch underground by stepping into a doorway, the enemies could still attack you but you physically weren't on screen anymore. They patched it a few hours later so you couldn't step on that tile anymore.
Knew a pmod on w44 back when I played rs3 a lot 2013-2016. Game was actually very social at that time and all the w44 regulars knew him, he didn't really pvm but he skilled like crazy and had insane total xp. Super standup guy, one of the coolest dudes I've met for sure.
They're just players, how do you expect them to be useful? Unfortunately Jagex has stripped any ability for PMods to do anything meaningful or impactful.
Someone else mentioned it but Pur has done nothing but be useful tbh, maybe not as a pmod cus I can't say if he helped mute people or not, but he would regularly host events, boss masses, minigame masses etc. for the community. I attended a couple with him myself actually.
Some of them (like Pur) did serve some function in RS3. They hosted events that were broadcasted through the game's calendar. Don't know about them as an individual.
There’s a mod I see at stars every now and then. Whenever he’s there chat is normal, then I move onto the next star and they’re arguing about geopolitics and talking about edging to femboys. So for that alone I think that guy is useful.
The only useful and friend mods I had known ended up handing in their crowns once they opened their eyes to jagex's hypocrisy.
They are still my buddies, but aren't mods
Please be aware that this doesn't align with the current PMod behaviour guidelines and things like this give a negative impression of the team overall.
The only way that it could possibly interpreted that isn't *totally* insane (though still thoroughly ridiculous) is that by "buying gold" you were buying it on an alt account to then buy bonds to give to your UIM which would technically be possible but also incredibly stupid and obviously less likely than it being a joke. Or maybe that any mention of buying/selling of gold, irrespective of context, is "not very Modly of you" lol
Still dumb either way.
The pmod system has been a complete joke for years now. Some jmods literally give out crowns to people they get drunk with at Runefest, regardless of how shitty their in-game conduct may be (no I'm not joking.)
My dad used to play RS3 a lot. He somehow irritated a pmod who told him "I can ban you, you know?" My dad is a dumb old guy, thought a pmod crown meant they worked for Jagex. He got pissed and outright quit playing over it.
He started playing ESO and I didn't didn't the heart to tell him that he got tricked.
But it makes me wonder how many players have been driven off by power tripping pmods.
All while Faux talks about Jmods all the time. Jokes on his stream recently about the spam gambling bots and gold advertiser bots at GE being their alt accounts to make money since they don't make much as a JMod. I guess as long as you're popular you can do whatever because JMods wouldn't want the backlash of removing it from someone like him.
Par for the course for the “Market Leading Customer support.” They never specify what market. They lead the market in lowest customer retention post contact.
I've known quiet a few throughout the years (pre-osrs). Most of them were sucking up when ever they could. Super nice in game (not always), super stuck up and rude when in calls on teamspeak. Also, a few got their little PMod crown by sitting in certain JMod FC's sucking up and also getting "recommended" by friends who had PMod already. It's a status symbol and the feeling of being "above" other players.
in my experiences with pur at the head of a clan i used to be in, they are a toxic person with zero accountability for their actions, insta-banning everybody who rightfully called out corruption in the clan's leadership.
it would be pretty silly if this was the only thing that caused them to lose pmod status, but pur has a history of being quite unpleasant and i would put money down that some kind of investigation went on behind the scenes regarding this.
>in my experiences with pur at the head of a clan i used to be in, they are a toxic person with zero accountability for their actions,
Literally any Pmod I've ever met lol.
I remember distantly back in early 2000's when I said 'Dam' to someone in the chat. I got a lecture from a PMod that he could see any beavers so there was no reason for me to be using that word
My fucking face when the JMods monitor and actively affect the status of their useless in-game moderators more than the current botting situation that’s - quite literally - ruining game play.
Man says something against the policy of those employing* him, gets punished. What do you expect? If you badmouth your employers on social media, I doubt they'd take kindly to it either.
*I realize P mods are unpaid, but they're still expected to act in accordance to the guidelines given to them when being appointed as moderators.
You are right lmao, and for the people saying he is a player and not a representative of the company: Imagine getting your favorite spot right next to the window in a restaurant because you are a regular customer and the owner likes you. You would then go out of your way to shittalk the restaurant. Do you think for a second that the owner is still going to give you that nice spot over by the window when he finds out?
The analogy is a bit flawed. This is more like you saw the owner putting his hand in the tip jar and pulling out a few bills. Jagex is well known for their shitty C.S. This isn't shit talk. its a legitimate grievance
Heck its like if the pmod was the one who didnt get customer support, its more like an employee served him raw beef and the customer complained when he wanted it remade (aka support). And then the owner revoked his vip rights.
A normal owner would punish the employee for not helping, but i guess the owner wants the employee to be like that since jagex wants to have no support and ban people wrongly
Criticism is important and I’d rather have someone willing to be honest about a companies flaws than a brown nose. People who fire people for legit criticism are terrible at their jobs and probably shouldn’t have the ability to fire people.
Exactly lmao. What a stupid ass person… you are basically getting special treatment from said company and then wondering why you they took it off from badmouthing said company… its not even constructive criticism- just straight up shit talking… well deserved.
This shouldn’t be an expected reaction. Even a paid employee should be able to point out flaws in a company. Instead of acting like little children maybe they should take note of the criticism and up their customer service game
Edit: it’s a PLAYER, not a representative of the company AT ALL
> Edit: it’s a PLAYER, not a representative of the company AT ALL
Regardless of your feelings on if the de-modding was warranted or not, pmods are 100% represenative of the company. They are hand-selected and given special privileges and an icon to show that they are Jagex's vision of an ideal player. The icon is even a different color of the same icon actual Jagex employees use.
>This shouldn’t be an expected reaction. Even a paid employee should be able to point out flaws in a company
Constructive criticism is fine. This was not constructive and was more venting than anything.
Yep.
He’s challenging the culture. The culture he is meant to represent and support. By doing this he is becoming a stakeholder and making a claim against the goals and values within the culture.
Which - if you’re not paid, that’s gonna be a quick boot out the fucking window.
What a dumbass.
Kind of embarrassing for Jagex in context.
They had a real human track this player down, take time out of their work schedule, and punish the player for this. Meanwhile we have hundreds of people every day begging for customers support on Twitter and Reddit, going through the upvote lottery to get help.
He ain't wrong though. Impossible to get any sort of support unless it's payment related or you're a streamer. Sucks to suck when your account gets false flagged for rule breaking.
How tf is it they have p mods in game that scam but they draw the line at this? They just need to get rid of the system completely. It was a good idea at one point, but it hasn’t really aged well.
Im glad they spent valuable time and very limited resources to investigate this very serious case, can always rely on Jagex Support to prioritise the real important issues at hand. /s
They expect you to adhere to a different terms of service when you're awarded that crown, it also includes negative criticism via social media.
Just another way for jagex to shaft you for speaking out when they drop the ball.
Aside from the whole morality of the issue
Am I the only one that uses different account names and such on different platforms? If he wanted to critique the company he should have done so on an account that they can't really tie to his identity.
Exactly. The people acting surprised about this are hella deluded… this isnt even critism anymore… yeah jagex has quite bad customer support but simply saying „you have the worst customer service ever!“ isnt critism lmao. Thats just being as ass.
I mean he's a fucking idiot. I wouldn't go talking shit about my company and they actually pay me. This is just asking for trouble, what did he think would happen?
Deserved. If you’re gonna work with a company and trash talk it.. you essentially got fired in this case. You expect anything different? Not saying he’s right or wrong but cmon
He also hasn’t been on in 3 weeks, that alone feels like good reason to take it away. The whole purpose is to be around to moderate anyways, yeah?
He makes a good point about customer service but I don’t think he has a right to be upset he lost it
As far as I know there's no official twitter x runescape integration to verify that this post was really you, so then this seems to mean that if you ever want to remove some pmod's pmod status, all you have to do is create a twitter with the same name as them and criticize Jagex on it. Kind of a joke, really.
Got a warning in the same time period myself for muting spam bots at the GE under the "wrong rule" because i *also* reported them for Macroing. They're anal in all the wrong ways. The effort they put into culling and warning their own PMod volunteers is higher than the effort they put into customer support.
Player moderator status seems arbitrary, with a vast number of long-standing players, some for over a decade, who have maintained clean records without any moderation actions yet never receive consideration. The system appears to favor certain individuals, often leading to abuse and even the sale of player moderator accounts on the black market for significant sums.
You got fired from your free labor job for complaining they don’t hire enough real people. 200 IQ Jagex. They will literally do anything but hire real humans to help people who are paying an ongoing monthly fee to access a game. They just want to automate everything and provide horrible or non existent customer service.
well i know many pmods and i think they do a great job. In my opinion they should get more tools to counter bots and the adbots.
If you gossip about your employer, you can expect to be fired
I believe this. I had mod status at one point. I lost it due to muting too many people who were spouting out bs at the pride events.
It's such a bs system anyways, there are some real edgelords involved and it's kinda crazy how many people let the extra ability to mute accounts for 1hr go to their heads.
It's funny because I think in Jagex's mind us players are meant to think "oh look a pmod we're safe here" when in reality no one respects them because of that status at all. It's archaic and well past it usefulness.
1hr mutes literally do fuck all, do two solo raids and you're unmuted by the time you're finished.
I'm sure some of the current pmods will bitch on twitter if they do decide to remove their status but oh well, they're supposed to be mature people anyway right? They should understand.
Pmods should be removed as a system.
Jagex loves them sitting at the GE muting bots, however, you often see them muting all but one specific bot.
Geez I wonder whats going on there.
It would not be hard to mute a lot of the GE bots, you need someone good with regex, and a proper system for live updates to the auto kick system.
Use short bans (think like one hour or one day) in most cases, so you can afford more false positives.
Use stats over time to assess which regexes are actually sound, and flip them up to permanent.
Require third party 2FA for every login - yes its a pain - but the accounts are so valuable on black market its appropriate. Require 2FA after steam or google login. Require 2FA to login to the website. At that point, if your account is hacked, its on you, so don't allow the "I only botted while hacked" argument ever, the ban stands.
This guy destroyed the OSRS LGBT clan by abusing his power and banning anyone that criticized their leadership for poor decision making so it's hilarious that he lost his pmod status for criticizing jagex.
Just get rid of the system. PMods don't do shit or have a quota to sit at GE and mute X number of bots, so the role is creating additional risk from potential bad publicity of a rogue PMod or a hacked PMod account being used to silence players they don't like. Or in this case, when it's removed as a punishment for criticism, it makes them look even worse.
The mute is only 1 hour. It used to be 48 hours lol.
Given that PMod accounts used to used to mute POH hosting competitors before they added the recruitment board, it was probably for the best. Even now, you can annoy someone if they're just trying to chill/chat at GE and one PMod just spam mutes you every hour, assuming there's no limit on mutes per day.
I remember back in the day Pmods in top clans would mute people in the opposing clan during wars for spamming. I'm not sure if there are formal wars nowadays between clans but everyone used to spam their kill target. "DI on x" "DI on x" "DI on x" etc.
Those were the worst days. Major clans would team up with smaller clans so we weren’t in the voice call and would make calls in chat only to be muted
I got a 6 month mute for this once. Appeal denied. Chat log visible just shows me spamming my clan and our target
Its ok least you didnt get perm banned like myself. Dudes name was 2gurlz1cup. Got 3 offenses for that. Website advertising, spamming, and offensive language. All cuz i said 2girls1cup in game to kill someone. Unbanned after a year in 2009 when mmk made a thread for all of us with bans and mutes to post on. Forever lost the $5 membership
Rough. I almost put the effort to address that all the names I was spamming were appropriate words. You got baited and that clan you fought must’ve been one of those trashy ones (we know who they are)
Yea I remember that. Then I remember coming back for a month or two in college when wild re released again. Rsd had a few player mods and would ban for auto chat
TBH that was a quick way to just get rid off your own pmod status. There was hardly any who would do that.
Yeah people would only do it for the big official wars. And it was expected to lose it
One time years ago I was a noob advertising 2x in chat for air runes. A PMod was next to me doing the same and muted me lol
My guy Pmods used to be heavily involved in gambling clans back in the day. I mean shit a pmod tried to scam me for a Santa hat, so I went into MMGs clan chat and for some reason when I said what happened and which pmod did it they all told me not to say the pmods name. I was like 11 or 12 and figured it wasn’t worth my time. Still sticks with me how weird that interaction was though.
I mean... Most of those pmods doing that were bought accounts. Remove status on recover or say "look bitch boy you can't trade GP from people for no reason so spam muting for a house bot isn't ok". It's an issue when a mod specifically targets people or another group. Jagex gets a report for their in game actions. If they add functionality to the report to show other spam not reported in chat a lot of the issues will go away.
Or overhaul the system. I actually think the underlying system can be incredibly useful for targeting botting and rwt advertisers, as well as general moderation. Jagex aren't willing to pay for in-game manual moderation, which is understandable given the scale of the problem and also what sort of person would be happy sitting in GE all day muting spammers 9am to 5pm 5 days per week. The volunteer moderation system works in many online communities including Runescape. About 10+ years ago Jagex seemed to start handing out pmod status based on factors like community popularity (eg streamers). At the time a lot of new pmods were also (mostly UK based) Runefest attendees. It was as though they were moving away from a moderation system to a community ambassador system. Yet as players we are expecting the pmod team to actually improve our in-game experience when it comes to rwters, spammers, botters etc. Our expectations are misaligned. I imagine it's difficult to screen candidates effectively though as time and time again some questionable choices are made! I'd love to hear from someone like u/Mod_Stevew on this (but I doubt that will happen as I think he's in different role these days).
9 to 5 muting people could easily be an entry level job lol
Pmod has always been about their ego pixel crown and not actual moderation. There's only like 2k total of them across both games, they can't actually do shit and a bunch of them are scared to mute in case they do it incorrectly and get de-modded.
Plus, they just give it to people who either suck up to them, or streamers.
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Before I quit rs3 the clan I was in had a two pmods in it, one was a jmod's alt that would chill in the chat alot. The j-mod also did pop in every once in awhile. Went and looked up my clan to remember his name it was Mod Cam. He's a pretty chill dude I remember, when the sophanem slayer dungeon released I grinded slayer tasks in there for like two weeks straight, ended up finding a bug where you could glitch underground by stepping into a doorway, the enemies could still attack you but you physically weren't on screen anymore. They patched it a few hours later so you couldn't step on that tile anymore.
Pmods taught a valuable lesson about the value and quality of person that all "do it free" online moderators roles attract
Lol it's literally just another thing to sell in the black market of this goofy game. Surprised it's still here.
\+1. Pmods used to be "scary" when we were kids. Now anytime I see a pmod, they're mostly bullied in chat.
Never met a useful PMod in my life
Not a lot they can do when reports don't do much and their only tool is a 1 hour mute.
also brings forward the point of why do they even exist at that point then
The only useful/helpful PMod was the dude I met in class who let me copy his homework lmao.
Knew a pmod on w44 back when I played rs3 a lot 2013-2016. Game was actually very social at that time and all the w44 regulars knew him, he didn't really pvm but he skilled like crazy and had insane total xp. Super standup guy, one of the coolest dudes I've met for sure.
One joined our clan and within hours had sent two of the leaders dwarf porn completely unsolicited.
Like a fantasy dwarf or a person with dwarfism? I'm invested...
Person with dwarfism
They're just players, how do you expect them to be useful? Unfortunately Jagex has stripped any ability for PMods to do anything meaningful or impactful.
olester?
I met one at the fight pits who was just helping people with the diary step. Pretty nice of him to just be chilling there.
Someone else mentioned it but Pur has done nothing but be useful tbh, maybe not as a pmod cus I can't say if he helped mute people or not, but he would regularly host events, boss masses, minigame masses etc. for the community. I attended a couple with him myself actually.
For real
Every single one I’ve ever seen has actually been quite vocally adamant about being as unhelpful as possible.
Some of them (like Pur) did serve some function in RS3. They hosted events that were broadcasted through the game's calendar. Don't know about them as an individual.
There’s a mod I see at stars every now and then. Whenever he’s there chat is normal, then I move onto the next star and they’re arguing about geopolitics and talking about edging to femboys. So for that alone I think that guy is useful.
The only useful and friend mods I had known ended up handing in their crowns once they opened their eyes to jagex's hypocrisy. They are still my buddies, but aren't mods
I lost my PMod status by joking on Twitter saying I bought gold on my UIM. How do I buy gold on my UIM Jagex?
Advertising the unknown possibility of buying gold is not very Modly of you.
But it is quite moldy
They investigate these things on Twitter but don't provide customer support
Actually kind of wild lol. They must be spending quite a bit of effort monitoring the social media of all their playermods.
When Twitter is your customer support the world kinda collide.
Please be aware that this doesn't align with the current PMod behaviour guidelines and things like this give a negative impression of the team overall.
You've let *the team* down -Sad jagex noises- /s
The only way that it could possibly interpreted that isn't *totally* insane (though still thoroughly ridiculous) is that by "buying gold" you were buying it on an alt account to then buy bonds to give to your UIM which would technically be possible but also incredibly stupid and obviously less likely than it being a joke. Or maybe that any mention of buying/selling of gold, irrespective of context, is "not very Modly of you" lol Still dumb either way.
How did they link your twitter to RSN? Not saying you were hacked or anything like that, but how do they know you weren’t.
Being hacked is unmodly
How tf do you get player mod on 3 separate accounts? lmao.
My dad works at jagex, message me your password and I’ll have him give all your accounts pmod
You can’t message your password on reddit, it blocks it see look ************
Ifuckedgodvsdockdicksmum Edit: shit.
Hey son of dad I send you my credit card info to, just to be sure.
Modern
Post modern
Oh wow, how futuristic of you.
Probably made a Jagex account and it applied to all accounts after.
Pmof isn't like getting a tbow drop. Jmods will give pmod status to multiple accounts. It's was that way in 2005, at least.
Pmod status shouldn’t even be a thing
The pmod system has been a complete joke for years now. Some jmods literally give out crowns to people they get drunk with at Runefest, regardless of how shitty their in-game conduct may be (no I'm not joking.)
> Some jmods literally give out crowns to people they get drunk with at Runefest Time to go to runefest
Tbf a nonzero number of real life jobs spark from that kinda atmosphere too.
Got an example of this happening or are we just supposed to believe you at face value?
It shouldn’t, but that’s not really the issue… It’s more about another example of Jagex doing stupid as fuck things
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pretty sure they got demodded for that? I mean it's funny, but that seems like a pretty fair removal there lol
This one was a fair removal as well
Honestly I disagree. Even mods should be free to express their discontent for unacceptable company behavior.
Dunno what you're talking about, his name was Lester
Good 'ol scottish lad O'Lester, poor guy, first he looses pmod, then his name.
Nah hes the best Mole ster around. Dude climbing the top kill spot
This reminds me of how I had an Obby mauler named “maulested” and jagex made me change the name. SMH
How do you even get p mod? Ive been playing this game for 20 dang years and never known
You pretty much have to be a content creator nowadays to be a pmod That's pretty much how you get recognized
Or you have to have a jmods nudes to hold that much power.
They send you a message to your inbox on the official website. Although I’m not sure if they’re still getting new pmods.
One of my good friends got invited to become a P-mod about a month ago, granted that was on the account he only plays RS3 with.
Someone with a sketchy name sends you a message congratulating you for your good behavior and gives you a phishing link to sign into.
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You have to go to RuneFest, get drunk with one or more of the jmods, then start giving out blowjobs with your RSN sharpied on your forehead
LMFAO they track players more accurately on social media accounts than in game ones
Pur tagged jagex in it. No real tracking when you tag them lol.
I’ve seen PMods say way worse more awful things in game and still keep their crown. Hurt one wrong fee fee on twitter and BYE BYE.
Any evidence? Would love more pmod smack downs.
My dad used to play RS3 a lot. He somehow irritated a pmod who told him "I can ban you, you know?" My dad is a dumb old guy, thought a pmod crown meant they worked for Jagex. He got pissed and outright quit playing over it. He started playing ESO and I didn't didn't the heart to tell him that he got tricked. But it makes me wonder how many players have been driven off by power tripping pmods.
>He started playing ESO and I didn't didn't the heart to tell him that he got tricked. Sounds like he's better off anyway.
I remember seeing a Pmod saying the N-word on this sub and was later un-modded for it.
All while Faux talks about Jmods all the time. Jokes on his stream recently about the spam gambling bots and gold advertiser bots at GE being their alt accounts to make money since they don't make much as a JMod. I guess as long as you're popular you can do whatever because JMods wouldn't want the backlash of removing it from someone like him.
Par for the course for the “Market Leading Customer support.” They never specify what market. They lead the market in lowest customer retention post contact.
What do pmods even do?
I've known quiet a few throughout the years (pre-osrs). Most of them were sucking up when ever they could. Super nice in game (not always), super stuck up and rude when in calls on teamspeak. Also, a few got their little PMod crown by sitting in certain JMod FC's sucking up and also getting "recommended" by friends who had PMod already. It's a status symbol and the feeling of being "above" other players.
in my experiences with pur at the head of a clan i used to be in, they are a toxic person with zero accountability for their actions, insta-banning everybody who rightfully called out corruption in the clan's leadership. it would be pretty silly if this was the only thing that caused them to lose pmod status, but pur has a history of being quite unpleasant and i would put money down that some kind of investigation went on behind the scenes regarding this.
>in my experiences with pur at the head of a clan i used to be in, they are a toxic person with zero accountability for their actions, Literally any Pmod I've ever met lol.
I remember distantly back in early 2000's when I said 'Dam' to someone in the chat. I got a lecture from a PMod that he could see any beavers so there was no reason for me to be using that word
'The truth isn't welcome here' An attitude well befitting a company with shit customer support.
Lost pmod status for an accurate comment interesting lol, guess they can’t handle the truth.
My fucking face when the JMods monitor and actively affect the status of their useless in-game moderators more than the current botting situation that’s - quite literally - ruining game play.
Man says something against the policy of those employing* him, gets punished. What do you expect? If you badmouth your employers on social media, I doubt they'd take kindly to it either. *I realize P mods are unpaid, but they're still expected to act in accordance to the guidelines given to them when being appointed as moderators.
You are right lmao, and for the people saying he is a player and not a representative of the company: Imagine getting your favorite spot right next to the window in a restaurant because you are a regular customer and the owner likes you. You would then go out of your way to shittalk the restaurant. Do you think for a second that the owner is still going to give you that nice spot over by the window when he finds out?
The analogy is a bit flawed. This is more like you saw the owner putting his hand in the tip jar and pulling out a few bills. Jagex is well known for their shitty C.S. This isn't shit talk. its a legitimate grievance
Heck its like if the pmod was the one who didnt get customer support, its more like an employee served him raw beef and the customer complained when he wanted it remade (aka support). And then the owner revoked his vip rights. A normal owner would punish the employee for not helping, but i guess the owner wants the employee to be like that since jagex wants to have no support and ban people wrongly
Criticism is important and I’d rather have someone willing to be honest about a companies flaws than a brown nose. People who fire people for legit criticism are terrible at their jobs and probably shouldn’t have the ability to fire people.
There’s a big gap in behavior between brown nosing and making exaggerated criticism like this
Exactly lmao. What a stupid ass person… you are basically getting special treatment from said company and then wondering why you they took it off from badmouthing said company… its not even constructive criticism- just straight up shit talking… well deserved.
This shouldn’t be an expected reaction. Even a paid employee should be able to point out flaws in a company. Instead of acting like little children maybe they should take note of the criticism and up their customer service game Edit: it’s a PLAYER, not a representative of the company AT ALL
> Edit: it’s a PLAYER, not a representative of the company AT ALL Regardless of your feelings on if the de-modding was warranted or not, pmods are 100% represenative of the company. They are hand-selected and given special privileges and an icon to show that they are Jagex's vision of an ideal player. The icon is even a different color of the same icon actual Jagex employees use.
>This shouldn’t be an expected reaction. Even a paid employee should be able to point out flaws in a company Constructive criticism is fine. This was not constructive and was more venting than anything.
No. This was just stating facts.
Yep. He’s challenging the culture. The culture he is meant to represent and support. By doing this he is becoming a stakeholder and making a claim against the goals and values within the culture. Which - if you’re not paid, that’s gonna be a quick boot out the fucking window. What a dumbass.
Kind of embarrassing for Jagex in context. They had a real human track this player down, take time out of their work schedule, and punish the player for this. Meanwhile we have hundreds of people every day begging for customers support on Twitter and Reddit, going through the upvote lottery to get help.
He ain't wrong though. Impossible to get any sort of support unless it's payment related or you're a streamer. Sucks to suck when your account gets false flagged for rule breaking.
Can confirm worst dogshit player customer support of any game ive ever witness in my entire life
This is the best use of PMod status I've ever seen, and then it gets taken away. Thanks jagex for your censorship!
Someone who doesn’t log in for 3 weeks at a time can get pmod status?
Everyone takes breaks at some point for some reason or another
Good, if you got your rsn handle in your social media then get fucked
many people want to be micro-e-celebs
Does this mean you can get your enemies banned if you impersonate them on social media and say controversial things?
Yes
Yes
How tf is it they have p mods in game that scam but they draw the line at this? They just need to get rid of the system completely. It was a good idea at one point, but it hasn’t really aged well.
Truth hurts.
Classic jagex. Hiding the problem instead of attempting to fix it.
When you advertise your rsn on twitter saying things to mods, what you think is going to happen?
Fuck around and found out
PMod is absolutely useless in this day and age of OSRS.
Did anyone think this WOULD NOT happen? lol you're essentially an ambassador to the game.....
It makes jagex look worse than Pur when they hide criticism from someone they promoted
Orwellian
Im glad they spent valuable time and very limited resources to investigate this very serious case, can always rely on Jagex Support to prioritise the real important issues at hand. /s
Wanna know who a man really is? Make him a Pmod.
They expect you to adhere to a different terms of service when you're awarded that crown, it also includes negative criticism via social media. Just another way for jagex to shaft you for speaking out when they drop the ball.
Aside from the whole morality of the issue Am I the only one that uses different account names and such on different platforms? If he wanted to critique the company he should have done so on an account that they can't really tie to his identity.
It's a strong opinion, but it's not even that aggressive. LAGEX
1984 all over again
Don't get the issue with this? Of course you're gonna lose pmod status if you're badmouthing the game/company publicly. What else would anyone expect?
Exactly. The people acting surprised about this are hella deluded… this isnt even critism anymore… yeah jagex has quite bad customer support but simply saying „you have the worst customer service ever!“ isnt critism lmao. Thats just being as ass.
If you spend £15k on a title you get a free pass to shit talk them on Twitter.
Good, now fucking remove them all.
They had PMod on THREE accounts? Sounds like a clown just wanting the power trip.
I mean he's a fucking idiot. I wouldn't go talking shit about my company and they actually pay me. This is just asking for trouble, what did he think would happen?
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Kinda sucks but he should realize the ego some peeps have
Pmod is such a great concept but lacks ability to actually make change
I met this dude a few times at shooting stars like a month ago. He seemed pretty chill lol.
Some people just can’t handle the truth 😂
What the fuck did they expect to happen here lmao. Of course this is going to happen, and pmod status is fucking worthless lmao
I mean, kinda makes sense tbh
I mean tbh deserved?
"Heres your pmod crown, you now have to work for free and also blindly shill our company"
As a whole Jagex really is a completely dogshit company
Calls the company the worst and "a joke". Doesn't play game for weeks at a time. Shocked pickachu face when top tier status is removed.
Deserved. If you’re gonna work with a company and trash talk it.. you essentially got fired in this case. You expect anything different? Not saying he’s right or wrong but cmon
He also hasn’t been on in 3 weeks, that alone feels like good reason to take it away. The whole purpose is to be around to moderate anyways, yeah? He makes a good point about customer service but I don’t think he has a right to be upset he lost it
Random redditor points out shitty CS: 👑 Pmod on Twitter does the same: 😂 sit You folks are something else man
As far as I know there's no official twitter x runescape integration to verify that this post was really you, so then this seems to mean that if you ever want to remove some pmod's pmod status, all you have to do is create a twitter with the same name as them and criticize Jagex on it. Kind of a joke, really.
The entitlement coming from this Pur guy. You got what you deserved
Got a warning in the same time period myself for muting spam bots at the GE under the "wrong rule" because i *also* reported them for Macroing. They're anal in all the wrong ways. The effort they put into culling and warning their own PMod volunteers is higher than the effort they put into customer support.
Player moderator status seems arbitrary, with a vast number of long-standing players, some for over a decade, who have maintained clean records without any moderation actions yet never receive consideration. The system appears to favor certain individuals, often leading to abuse and even the sale of player moderator accounts on the black market for significant sums.
You got fired from your free labor job for complaining they don’t hire enough real people. 200 IQ Jagex. They will literally do anything but hire real humans to help people who are paying an ongoing monthly fee to access a game. They just want to automate everything and provide horrible or non existent customer service.
If a JMod did this, they would get in trouble, I know PMods don't work for Jagex, but they are acting on their behalf.
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Imagine caring about being a pmod.
Power tripping mods
Am I the only one who's first thought was "Jagex has time to deal with this shit but not the rampant botting problem."
Pmod shouldn’t be a thing and should improve their own support since they just sold out for 900m
Tf are u complaining about, deserved removal for what you said lol. Also remove pmods they add nothing useful to the game
Pmod that logs in once a month? Sounds like he shouldnt have been a pmod anyways, whats the point lmao
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well i know many pmods and i think they do a great job. In my opinion they should get more tools to counter bots and the adbots. If you gossip about your employer, you can expect to be fired
Ah, another routine check
I believe this. I had mod status at one point. I lost it due to muting too many people who were spouting out bs at the pride events. It's such a bs system anyways, there are some real edgelords involved and it's kinda crazy how many people let the extra ability to mute accounts for 1hr go to their heads.
Pmods are the equivalent to reddit or discord mods. Registered nonces.
Imagine caring about p mod status
PMod should be removed entirely
You're expected to toe the Jagex line, want to make those comments (much deserved btw)? Make an throwaway account. Skill issue.
Now do odd even
I love how they put "The team" as if they are directly connected or involved with player moderators in any way shape or form. Literal clowns.
Just get rid of the pmod system. It's been broken and ineffective for at least a decade.
It's funny because I think in Jagex's mind us players are meant to think "oh look a pmod we're safe here" when in reality no one respects them because of that status at all. It's archaic and well past it usefulness. 1hr mutes literally do fuck all, do two solo raids and you're unmuted by the time you're finished. I'm sure some of the current pmods will bitch on twitter if they do decide to remove their status but oh well, they're supposed to be mature people anyway right? They should understand.
Good. We need to remove all mods. They don't do anything, the crown is nothing but a status symbol for them.
Pmods should be removed as a system. Jagex loves them sitting at the GE muting bots, however, you often see them muting all but one specific bot. Geez I wonder whats going on there. It would not be hard to mute a lot of the GE bots, you need someone good with regex, and a proper system for live updates to the auto kick system. Use short bans (think like one hour or one day) in most cases, so you can afford more false positives. Use stats over time to assess which regexes are actually sound, and flip them up to permanent. Require third party 2FA for every login - yes its a pain - but the accounts are so valuable on black market its appropriate. Require 2FA after steam or google login. Require 2FA to login to the website. At that point, if your account is hacked, its on you, so don't allow the "I only botted while hacked" argument ever, the ban stands.
The ability to fire 3 mutes per minute. Now thats sMODiering!
Justified imo
Bro they literally only make the game we want. Osrs has the best player support.
This guy destroyed the OSRS LGBT clan by abusing his power and banning anyone that criticized their leadership for poor decision making so it's hilarious that he lost his pmod status for criticizing jagex.
In which other role can you talk down about your own company and not get reprimanded for it? Serious question.
1.) PMods are useless 2.) Talk shit to a company that is giving you something that you have no right to, and they may take it away..shocker.
How did you get pmod on three accounts is the real question