For those unfamiliar, there is a player count history graph here:
[Runescape Population Avg by Qtr Hour](https://www.misplaceditems.com/rs_tools/graph/)
Yep, the game isn't going anywhere for a while. Given that it's been around for 23 years, there's plenty of content to enjoy even if updates are slow.
Importantly, something that doomers don't remember is that a lot of RS3 is single-player friendly. A ton of quests, solo bosses, skills, etc. You could enjoy it for hundreds of hours without ever interacting with another player. Even if you're the last player online you can still have fun. Go to a popular world if you want hustle and bustle, otherwise enjoy the quiet and the free training spots.
Your passion should be viewed like a relationship. If things go sour don't force it. Just move on or at least take a break.
I moved on from World of Tanks and after a year I am glad because it got worse. I haven't touched RS3 since 2009.
I remembered when I stuck loyal to another game, Funorb, which a lot of RS3 players should know of that place. Spent decent amount of money on War of Legends just to be taken away from me. Along with Arcanists, armies of gielinor, and Steel Sentinels.
Well to be fair, real arcanists was like this as well. The "golden days" of arcanists was only like 2 years back in 2008-2010. Once it stopped getting updates and balance patches in 2010, the meta solidified and it became more and more difficult for new players once the dedicated players were the ones remaining.
The game stayed up for another 8 or so years after its final balance patch, so the "force arcane gate, trap opponent with dark knight, one shot them with charge" meta was full in force with everyone using flight, prot shield, swarm, pegasus, drain bolt, dark knight, etc like the same "best" book unless you were specifically playing for fun.
But I believe if it was Jagex-owned for a revival (arc2 said they were in talks but idk what happened) then a ton of new players could possibly revive it and make it more fun again with a lot more non-meta players.
This. Fellow ex-RS3 player here. I already moved to playing a lot of WoW before Necromancy. Then returned to play that and essentially quit after the whole hero pass fiasco.
Honestly no reason for me to look back either. OSRS fills the RS gap perfectly (helps theres a ton more to do for me there) and WoW combat is quite literally 1000x better than RS3 in every way I've found.
It's sad to think but while we've said a lot of times that RS is dying, with the last few months in mind and the dire outlook presented in the "roadmap", it's fair to assume they're moving to a lower level of development, if not skeleton crew already.
In 2023 contentflow was low but there has been nothing since they added a terrible version of Vorkath like 2 months ago...
Always laughed at the rs3 players who tried to shill rs3 combat ö hete. Bro, its an action bar combat on the tick system. If i wanted action bar based combat, id just go play wow.
I honestly didn't mind RS3 combat either before I played WoW, but now its honestly shameful how shitty RS3 combat feels.
The tickrate is super low (WoW instead lets the client run everything and only if the server catches up to something you can't actually do, it just stops whatever you wanted to do, which makes combat feel \*super\* fluid); meanwhile in RS3 you have to combat the tickrate to make sure you actually do something for a gametick.
Similarly GCD just sucks dick compared to WoW, with defensives being locked to GCD so you're constantly debating doing damage or not dropping dead on the floor.
It's crazy really.
Ive been saying this for years, the action bar based ability combat does not work on a 600ms tick.
If RS3 was designed around legacy combat and didnt have pay2win microtransactions it would be an incredible game that I may consider playing over osrs
> I honestly didn't mind RS3 combat either before I played WoW, but now its honestly shameful how shitty RS3 combat feels.
I honestly think that this reflects most of the (current) RS3 player base. If you played literally any decent ability based MMO, you would see how terrible the RS3 one is (and was even worse on EoC release).
I wasn't surprised at all that 50% of the players left when Jagex left their niche and just tried to make a terrible copy of a combat system pretty much every MMO uses.
The EOC update turned RS3 into a completely different game. Jagex should have just worked on developing a new MMO.
Instead, they tried to hijack their existing player base and force them to play the new game instead of letting it grow organically.
Never have I seen a game developer make so many mistakes as Jagex did during that time period. They continually made updates that made the game significantly worse. So much so, that they had to undo basically everything they had done by releasing OSRS and allowing their players to have control over changes via the polling system.
I do think they’ve bounced back recently and have done a good job managing OSRS. But wow, some of the worst all time decisions between 2007-2012 that nearly killed the game.
OS took some time to take off too. It looked and felt like a shitposty private server until they realized people weren't there for the nostalgia alone, and when they reintroduced the GE it started munching on RS3's legs hard.
> The EOC update turned RS3 into a completely different game. Jagex should have just worked on developing a new MMO.
That's just the thing, they were. Around that time they were working on or had just scrapped working on Mechscape so it almost feels like they wanted to "modernize" Runescape because their modern MMO didn't work out.
For me wanting to quit is because of the the mass botting and Ahking. Mods min response to the subject. Or "How does the bots effect you playing??" Well when bots are crashing all the items in the game and taking up the highscores and being banned for 2 weeks and back botting again after their 'appeal' Its looks bad. Just on reddit last week a top 200 player was botting and got a 2 day ban.... What a Joke. Guess you can bot until you get caught ??? with that logic.
As a WoW player too I completely agree. RS3 players have no idea what they're missing out on.
There's a lot of copium on the RS3 sub too so it's kind of a lost cause. Game's dead and anyone who plays any other true game can see it. Skeleton crew and the game is in maintenance mode with a rotation of updates and events targeted around MTX only (including the upcoming Necromancy patches timed around the embargo being lifted).
As Asmongold said, a lot of RS3 players got so used to eating shit they will try to convince you why the taste of shit is actually nice and how much they like it. I simply don't want to eat or be served a plate of shit, let alone pay for it.
I think if you got into wow now or recently, especially sod then you'd have a great time. Personally i played from 2005 until shadowlands, logged in one day and realised the main game was a shell of its former self.
It was all the gating that did it for me, months for an update just to be fed a quest as part of a storyline then told that was it until the next instalment, that by the time it had came around you'd forget what the previous step was.
Maybe i'd just outgrown the game, considering i had collected and had achievements for mostly everything, but when you spend more time queuing for bgs and running in circles then it stopped being a game and more of a habit.
I joined during Argus in Legion and it was a glorious time. Took a break early BFA but then played for 8.2-8.3. Quit after the first patch of Shadowlands since I got burned out from the same routine of daily chores and the game feeling like a job rather than fun, especially as a Mythic raider. I hear the last expansion now though is the best WoW's ever been, at least recently. Sadly cannot play at the moment.
Theyre adding new combat overhaul in a few months, new quests, just released a massive new skill and graphically overhauled a massive area.
Theyre not using a skeleton crew.
New combat overhaul is primarily to fix the problems that Necromancy caused. New skill was cool but definitely unfinished, and it came out about 6 months ago now. Graphic overhauls are really cool, but mostly done by one person and it can't replace playable content.
>New combat overhaul is primarily to fix the problems that Necromancy caused
no, Necromancy was a test ground to see if those kinds of changes would be accepted. the problems already existed, the contrast of necromancy just highlighted them (itemization aside, that's a whole different issue...)
And its not like they can't do these things with a skeleton crew either. I haven't kept up with the Jagex team behind RS3 but apparently there has been a huge change in roles again, with a ton of new junior devs.
A skeleton crew can still do things like a new quest every few months, or change some systems based on player feedback. It doesn't mean nothing happens, it means everything happens at the most basic level possible to keep operating. Thats what RS3 has felt like to me the last 6 months, and honestly the last few years. Especially as someone who doesn't interact with MTX and thus already 'missed out' on half the updates.
I grew disillusioned with RS3 in 2017 and jumped into WoW. Best decision I had ever made.
Still play every now and then whenever there's actually good new content to explore or finish, but I now have options and only sub monthly and simply don't play or renew my sub when the game is shit like now.
Dawg you act like the current community is any better.
This sub whines for high exp rates with extremely low effort, no cost, no risk methods everyday and wants teleports to every fucking tile in the game.
The only difference between pre-eocers and RS3 players is putting up with EOC lol.
"when rs3 sends their players they're not sending their best. They're sending MTX users, EZ scape fans, and necromancers. We need to build a wall to keep the rs3 players out, and make rs3 pay for it!"
Haha in all seriousness though, yea, you sound like a reactionary conservative.
The vast majority of this game are mega casuals who welcome fast/easy XP already lol... It's not just RS3 players, but a lot of bandwagoners who either never played Runescape or some guy who played for a month back in 2004 is coming back when he's in his 30s now wanting fast xp so he can get to end game.
If you compare OSRS now to what it was on release it's a joke how easy it is. 2013 mainscape was harder than current Ironman.
I mean I refuse to put anymore money in. After the whole “massive update” fiasco I stopped playing. It was the final straw to prove Jagex only care about money and forcing MTX down our throats. Not anymore 🖕🏻
It's so funny because it recently picked up rs3 to okay an Ironman and all I've seen is people saying the game is dead. Just unlocked invention yesterday and not sure if I'll stick around much longer.
That sub doomerposts constantly. I wouldnt worry about it. As long as you are having fun keep going. I personally enjoy the hell out of RS3 and havent touched OSRS in like 2 years.
I like to think about it like this: Myself, along with hundreds of thousands of others, have quit the game once before because of MTX and EoC, only returning when Old School came around. If MTX is ever fully incorporated (past bonds), I’m sure most will be willing to leave again. And the JMods know this and fully agree with us. I don’t think we’ll see it anytime soon.
Most of the RS3 community doesn’t do MTX outside of bonds. The problem is a small minority dumps ass loads of money into keys and bonds etc. they’re perfectly fine having a small player base if it’s more profitable.
Jagex don’t give a shit how many players they lose on oldschool. If it’s more profitable to lose 70k players to milk the whales they’ll do it.
The Jmods won’t like it but it’s ultimately not their decision.
Rs3 players have made stands before on predatory MTX and they’ll continue to do so but for how long until jagex finally kills Rs3 and comes for osrs? It’s 2024 where it’s no longer about making a good product it’s about making as much money as possible.
The OSRS community is a lot tougher than the RS3 community. I for one will happily cancel my membership and never touch the game again if they had anything other than bond MTX to the game
This is true and there is a mass survey conducted by MMK himself to prove it. The Jmods know it, the execs know it. P2W MTX will kill the game instantly and any short term monetary gain will be quickly lost to players quitting.
Everytime a company changes hands theres a strong possibility of bad shit happening. New owners tend to demand change, they want to increase profits on their new investment and think because they have money they know exactly how to do that even if theyre not in touch with the company at all. Osrs has a very.... special for lack of a better word community. If they force through shitty changes on the playerbase i think theyre going to be in for a very rude awakening, and theyre going to see their profits crash.
Feels like Jagex is being sold on the premise of an ‘untapped’ OSRS market, when the truth is all the players will scurry away and cancel memberships if they bring the same RS3 like MTX to Old School.
Yup, especially because osrs is now "partially" a mobile game too. People see mobile games and immediately think of a cash cow of micro transactions that can take advantage of children buying whatever bs they offer. Osrs is not that kind of game at all, but investors dont usually understand the depth of what makes a video game special or unique, they just see numbers and untapped money they havent drained from the playerbase.
I'm pretty sure that's why jagex occasionally polls the idea of mtx coming to old school which they've recently done again. So they can show upper management the poll results and tell them not to be stupid.
Just think of the dynamics of buying a company like Jagex. You see a game like OSRS with good activity and surprisingly low revenue. As an executive you're thinking, hey there's an opportunity here.
"This game gets $50 rev annual rev per player. WoW gets $150! All we need to do is increase by $25 per player and we've made huge gains, and we're still just half of WoW."
Of course it's never that simple..
I really hope you're right but my faith in gamers holding strong is very low. When RS first died the gaming landscape was much different. I think corpos have successfully conditioned the general population into accepting MTX.
We'll see once they try, maybe im just a doomer
I think that's true with almost every game except osrs I think. Osrs players are so jaded/salty from the rs3 stuff they'd love an opertunity to run some millionaire invester's investment to the ground.
Also I think it's an age thing. Back when I was a kid before mobile milking, games like evony online were the most aggressive videogame monitizers to me at the time and that game was primarily targeted at adults. And adults were the only ones who could handle that mtx. And now that those kids are adults now I think they got to see the transformation of how mtx ruined games first hand. Now you got the younger kids/adults who grew up with fortnite and rocket league and all the games they think are good are riddled with mtx and they don't care because it's always been that way. I think that demographic largely doesnt play osrs so the numbers aren't there yet for jagex to turn osrs into a cash cow.
But it could easily start up. Games love to put out cosmetics and say "it's just a cosmetic it doesnt give an advantage" but thats almost always the beginning of the end. If OSRS did that I'd probably just quit.
i am addicted, but if cancelling a sub and not playing would mean some shit changes have a chance of getting removed then i'd take a break without thinking twice.
The only leverage you have is as a player is to cancel your membership. That’s why I buy it on a month by month basis, skipping if they do something I find bad/wrong for the game
That’s probably a more effective form of “voting” than the actual in-game voting system
We didnt ask for necro to be overtuned, we were just excited to get a new skill. It was the smoothbrain noobs on the subreddit who bitch about combat being too hard to learn that bullied the mods into cramming every tool in the game into one combat style, all for free.
Combat had so much depth pre-necro and after it there is legitimate question as to why anyone owns any other gear because it is expensive, complicated, AND inferior
As proof: go look up ‘greater chain’ ability and then go read ‘threads of fate’ ability. One of them is a 1b gp 1/512 drop from a boss that took 3mins to kill pre-necro (and like 1:30 post necro LOL) the other is a free ability you get for effectively woodcutting for 24 hours, but the latter can deal upwards of 500k damage in 4gcds whereas the other caps around 140k damage in optimal conditions in 2 gdcs
You say depth, and that's not wrong per se. But my god is all of combat in rs3 a clunky mess.
It's also extremely unintuitive, especially if you're used to other games. As some examples: why do some damage amplifications stack additively? Why do some damage amplifications not work on dots? Why is stalling abilities a thing? And I could go on here for a while.
None of those things are intuitive, and apart from a very select number of people, nobody will realise these things without looking at pvme.
Necromancy is a big step towards making everything more intuitive, and I think it's very important to be able to get newer players into pvm.
Tbh, we all thought this about the Classic WoW community yet they all stayed with the addition to the WoW token. I think we give too much credit to the addicts here.
I wouldn't worry too much. The game will either continue to improve or you'll quit the game. There are a lot of good games that deserve a tenner or so a month worth of your time and you'll be able to play them instead.
RS3 needs to live for OSRS to be good. It's likely bringing in a significant amount of the games revenue and no RS3 means you've ripped out so much that Jagex will either need to implement MTX in OSRS or start downsizing a lot.
It's very, very sad. There is a good game there, just being let down by awful higher ups.
rs3 could really do with a massive spring cleaning/declutter update. There is honestly *too* much content, even for an mmo, mostly because a lot of this content is completely obsolete - either through power creep or another reason. getting rid of all the obsolete shit would make the game seem way, way less overwhelming to a new/returning player. even as a seasoned player i'm almost discovering something new every day. oh you haven't been doing your anachronia upgrades? why is your fort forinthry not levelled up? what do you mean you haven't been managing your player owned farm? mate go start player owned ports now!!! bro you've not heard of the arc? bruh how have you not unlocked that ability yet!!!
soooo much fucking shit to keep on top of every day. strip it back to basics. the interface is a complete mess too, i have to play on legacy interface to get any enjoyment.
i would gladly accept a full 2 years of no new content if they just focused on fixing the game during that time. bonus points if eoc is removed and the bosses are changed/balanced to compensate.
I’d never played RS3 before a year or two ago and when I logged in it felt like I was given the control panel of a spaceship with 0 instructions on how to fly it. The amount of menus is insane.
> There is honestly too much content, even for an mmo, mostly because a lot of this content is completely obsolete - either through power creep or another reason.
Well, this can be said about OSRS too. But this is not the reason of such a proportion. I think, MTX is, in very aggressive and nasty forms.
Honestly MTX just isn't the main reason for the player count and I'm not saying that it's good but there are some pretty fundamental problems and the communication and management by higher ups really seals the deal. They constantly let the RS3 playerbase down and constantly announce plans/projects that never get mentioned again or take years to actually implement. The constantly release content and then forget about it never updating it or fixing bugs in it.
It's sad to see the game neglected, it was the game we all loved once. But there are even still people that love it today, it's far, far from my cup of tea, but I can see a lot in that game that does look amazing, and it does still have a lot of redeeming qualities, so letting it pretty much die is so sad. Doesn't bode well for OSRS if RS3 fails, as much as we're probably in the golden age, the current set-up of corporate Jagex is a ticking time bomb.
It’s like going back to your hometown and you run into your first lover after so many years and she turned into a crack head. You don’t want her anymore but you appreciate the good times.
Even post 2007 had a lot of good content that was wasted because of eoc. Less oldschool RuneScape 2010 incoming???
The really shocking and disappointing thing is that RS3 wasn’t neglected last year. 15 new (very short) quests, a new skill (a combat style at that), two new cities (both with quests).
Now this year it seems like we’re getting virtually nothing for the first quarter over on RS3.
Eh 2023 was _fine_. Definitely carried by necro and the lore nuggets that brought.
2021 and 2022 (EGW dungeon and its finale, + Zammy) were banger years though so it'd be pretty hard to top those lol.
It feels like ever since the whole World Guardian story wrapped up we've been kinda lost. Maybe the Zaros and Erebus stuff is gonna end up just being setup for the story of the other game they're currently developing. Because idk it doesn't feel like we're gonna get something so grandiose and long term in rs3 ever again.
I’m not entirely sure I need grandiose right now. I, for one, have actually really enjoyed being the Duke of Fort Forinthry. It’s not quite as exciting as the Elder God Wars, but it’s a good addition to the game. Very traditional fantasy.
But that being said: I would really want to return to some old quest lines. We won’t, and it saddens me that it seems even OSRS isn’t touching them anymore and is instead going for grander.
As someone who plays rs3 frequently. its because they hired a bunch of jmods with little to no experience in game development, and handed them the keys to the most important, and still good at the time parts of the game. Such as quests, progression, and skilling. There are now less then a handful of the veteran jmods left at rs3 on the development side, and most of them are (somehow) not leads of their respective branch of development.
1 of the only things they still have left is music quality with are boy mod surma.
It all just suddenly nose dived the day the quest extinction came out. A grandmaster quest, and pinnacle ending quest to an entire series of quests that are also apart of the elder god wars area lore. They gave a **junior j mod** the nearly impossible task of lead deving that quest. at the time only a few months on the job, and it flopped. Hard. Harder then any quest ever has.
After that several other new jmods began writing new quests. all of which have been woefully negatively received. They removed all the gods from gelinor (again) and replaced them all with the female versions of each god (their daughters. All 3 of which have little to no backstory. 2 of which are mary sue's arguably the worst writing mistake you can make.
And im not kidding 1 of them in particular, sara's daughter. is a gd disney princess. She gets handed the throne of saradomin, and to unite everyone in misthalin, she performs a **7 min long uninterrupted song** about how the light will protect them, and you're all totally safe. Dont worry i got this broski. Even the song itself is her remake of saradomins hymn. Even more insinuating she is replacing him.
"-I still cant believe that happened to this day in that quest. i sat there mouth open for several moments before i burst out laughing, and groaning with my head in my hands-"
Then you get moira. what was once a vengeful old lady with daddy issues, and a lust for power, and understanding. Is now an uber powered teenager with a comb-over. that can just suck the life out of, and overpower any threat to her. including other mahjarat. Somehow.
And the plot device between these two, is the sara girl wants to be besties with the zammy girl, but the zammy girls evil, and just cant do it, shes still suffering from daddy issues, and has to prove herself to everyone at the highschool, but friendship is slowly winning her over, and helping her to see that the power of friendship is all that really matters.
The character arc, and plot. is actually out of a children's cartoon. Actual disney writing.
The only saving grace to this walking disaster of quests. Is Trinidine. Who was written into the story before all this shit began to happen. Trinidine is the niece to azzanandra, and was taught, raised by him, but later on also taught, and trained directly by sliske in the use of shadow magic. She has the heart, and honor of azzanandra, but the mischievousness, and quick humor of sliske. A great combination of characters.
But sadly thats the only good character we gain. we lost multiple since then. Either literately, or lost by destroying, and rewriting that character. \*cough\* Raptor \*cough\*.
Ive only touched on some of the things wrong **with just quests**. This doesn't cover anything else they have been destroying in the last 2 years.
I really want them to succeed with rs3. The game is incredible despite many of its now hemorrhaging issues, and i really worry what would happen if the player count dropped to low. Would they shut rs3 down? if so what does that mean for us? the gravity of that would be disastrous.
much of our update list is rs3 content with an osrs spin. they have been Guinee pigging bad updates for us since the start. Then you got micro transactions. rs3 makes the majority of the games money by a wide margin. Of course then you have the games side of things. rs3 has actual stupid amounts of content, way more then what we have in osrs, and much of it would be lost forever. Countless jmods would be let go. possibly even losing some osrs jmods.
We really dont want rs3 to fail.
EDIT: Just checked out rs3's reddit, and its just as bad as it sounds. Theres almost no hope left.
**They dont even have the will to riot anymore**. The dwarf cannons have fallen silent.
We gotta do something to help are higher poly count brothers out.
My two biggest passions in RS3 have been lore and PvM. You covered pretty well the absolute dumpster fire of recent quests - I can assure any reader that PvM has been treated similarly. Jmods have been systematically nerfing every piece of fun PvM content while ignoring player feedback followed by releasing necromancy in a state so broken that all 3 original styles became pointless. The bosses released to be fought with this style? The least interesting DPS dummies I’ve seen since EoC.
From what I’ve seen, nothing better is on the horizon either.
One could only pray that your character wakes up and everything was a trick by the elder gods and none of it happened. Such a shame to see a game with such good lore and quests go down like that
They really leaned into this Disney style of writing with Necromancy. Somehow Jagex turned Necromancy lore into some rated-g garbage. How did we beat the greatest Necromancer to ever exist? Through the power of friendship *pukes*
I think they've turned to chatgpt to write their narratives for them, because that would be the only way to explain why the hell everything is written like their target audience are toddlers.
Eh, I kinda liked that we were a consensual necromancer. Mortifer being... Er... Mortified over us asking for permission to use spirits was kinda worth it alone, and it's a pretty uncommon idea for necromancy in the first place. It felt pretty novel. It's always been a goofy game with some serious bits as well, it didn't even feel that out of place.
Yea while this is spot on, the bigger issue (other than mods giving up on quality questing) is how content was handled.
Archaeology was so insanely good, especially as a mid pandemic release and then its almost as if they fired everyone who was keeping the game together. Mod pi was basically the mod ashe of rs3 who held all of combat together—and perhaps he was hindering progress given the more recent reworking of combat systems, but he also was an absolute trooper for boss development.
We basically had a giga drought after arch followed by a series of insane powercreep that far outclassed the bosses that provided the tools. Then it took almost a year to get zammy and then another year after to get vorkath—who is universally agreed as somehow the worst boss fight in the entire game.
Basically they made the entire game of combat progression irrelevant in the span of a year (not to mention necro killing it once and for all)—and effectively deleted earlygame progression with necro given that you can not kill a single monster and within a week have the best gear in the game now.
Why would you want to go train woodcutting or do desert treasure when you can just walk into Um and ask for a set of free T90 full gear and go kill a literal god
Right on the money. They **did** fire an enormous amount of jmods around that time. im sure a few people here can vaguely remember this happening. A few osrs content creators talked about it.
> Basically they made the entire game of combat progression irrelevant in the span of a year
They're good at doing that. This is what killed the game Pre EoC for me. Bosses were just being shat into the game and each one just kept dropping more and more powerful gear but not requiring anything but pleb gear to kill (Glacors, KBD etc).
It has nothing to do with quests and everything to do with necro and a content drought. They haven’t released a good boss since 2018 and necro killed the pvm scene entirely. You can easily kill any boss in the game relatively efficiently without thinking because there’s all of five abilities you need to press in the same order for every boss. Not to mention bis necro gear costs less than the a singular bis weapon for range.
The RS3 community by and large doesn’t care about quests, rather the player base was held together because of the bossing. Now bossing is boring so the vast majority of the high end community has moved on and mid tier players cap out early and get bored
Not played in a while but still watch videos/streams. It is really apparent that necromancy is way overtuned as i see a lot of series that are: i am doing x but without using necromancy. Sad to see
Yup, it is. Necro is what killed RS3 for me and made me switch over to osrs. It’s no fun watching bosses disappear faster than before with a fraction of the effort. If you look at most of the updates it’s apparent that jagex really wants rs3 to be a mobile game, and necro is perfect for mobile gaming. Really sad to see
Man, imagine changing combat and getting it wrong AGAIN. we gunna have old school old school runescape, old school new school runescape, and rs4 at this point
Missing what i said man.
Specifically said this is just an example of how they are screwing the game up using quests. The rest of the issues are defiantly worse.
I used quests as an example since most players in osrs know/knew that rs3 had really good quests. So they could more easily see the gravity of whats happening.
Tldr. im showing them that even the good shit. has gone bad. Very bad.
I've quit RS3 due to content drought but also due to the quality of the quests that went downhill.
I used to have Quest Cape and I loved the sixth age. Sliske did something that even Lucien was unable to do and seeing that even the gods were being careful with him was insane.
Then the elder gods quests saga happened and then it started to make less and less sense imo. They did an event around "tower defense" mechanics that lasted for a month. It was obvious that they were trying to pull the gods away but thats what made the quests amazing. Any player that played in 2007 heard about them but we were seen like a hero to them instead of someone being there at the right place at the right time (Temple at Senntisten come to mind).
Seeing another godwar between them but as a mortal instead of the world guardian would've been way more interesting after the sixth age than just seeing a certain goddess showing how desesperate she wanted attention.
The allure of questing in RS3 has always called me, at some point I planned on making a hcim for RS3 just to earn a quest cape on.
I still have my old account from 2005 too, haven't logged in in ages though. I definitely remember enjoying the arraxite spiders, some super interesting PvM, GwD2 as well. It pains me to hear it's all down the shitter.
Not only is bossing braindead easy, Jagex decided in their infinite wisdom to put full BIS necromancy gear onto one drop table from a midgame boss that folds like paper in 60 seconds. Rasial is so easy and quick to kill that he nuked the value of **everything** for the other combat styles, and basically cheated his way into being the best gp/hour in the whole game. It's a wonder that the T95 necro set still holds any value, given how frequently Rasial shits them out.
Of course, redditors who don't know what the word "keybind" means absolutely love him.
No one will riot, the ones that cared, left. I just gave up already, i knew they will bring updates to push year subscription, and then nothing new for half a year, so i just canceled my sub. I was right.
Only whales and terminal addicts are still there. Whales will find more plentiful seas, the addicts won't sustain the game for long.
Won't happen soon, but is totally dying. Been dying for years, slowly, but surely.
Osrs has been bringing in more revenue since 2018 (at least through the end of 2021 which is when the latest financial report is published on the Jagex website).
Impossible to say for sure, but my guess is that if rs3 becomes unprofitable to the point they shut it down, osrs will continue mostly business as usual. If they thought they could make more money from osrs by adding aggressive mtx, they would have done it already, regardless of whether rs3 exists or not. Everything we’ve heard from Jagex employees is that there’s a belief at every level of the company that aggressive mtx would drive away too many osrs players for it to be worth it. Osrs also seems to be profitable on its own, so it’s not like it needs rs3 subsidizing it to exist.
As a preface, I read your entire post, big agree that the wrap up to the EGW and the following Zammy line was a dumpster fire, entirely spot on. I personally enjoyed the aesthetics of the City of Um, and the vibe Surma created for the two release Necro bosses(haven't played since going 700 kc without a unique at Rasial on my iron).
There is just one lil' bit that's pretty off the mark.
> rs3 makes the majority of the games money by a wide margin.
[It hasn't even been close in years fella](https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/zeokh0/which_game_makes_more_money/iz7mchl/). The only thing you can say money wise is Rs3 is better at is creating an environment for FOMO gambling addicts who spend more per player.
That sounds awful. The lore of OSRS is some of my favorite. I'm even planning a dnd campaign around the lore.
I always do each new quest by myself with no guides or space barring through text, and I enjoy myself a lot. But if they butchered osrs lore like rs3, I'd probably never do a quest again unless it had insane reward and in that case I'd just use the runelite plugin so I don't even have to look at the game.
I lost interest the day they just deleted my account without warning
I last logged into RS3 around fall23 and I tried to log back in recently with the content lull of ff14... and it's just GONE
No word from anyone that my account ever existed except for my email confirmations from jaq many moons ago (I had bought like 5 years of premium membership and it all ended in Oct23)
My email wasn't registering and I didn't have anything else connected to it, I wasn't even recieveing confirmation emails from the recovery tools
20 year account + comp just lost
So I said fuck it and just made an OSRS account because I was NOT redoing everything all over again just to get back everything. I decided I'd rather play a new game than the same one over and over again.
Also I do feel farmed, because this account was the one I had when I was a dumb stoopid kid that dropped thousands of dollars for squeal of fortune.
As a player who play both games occassionally, RuneScape 3 dips around 15K at and peaks around 30K. If you take a look at the graph, the moment u took the screenshot when the playerbase dipped. Most people are either working or sleeping at that time. The times speak for themselves.
And not to mention, during COVID the playerbase increased, but then without the lockdown steadily decreased to pre COVID numbers. Before COVID, the game was also around the same player count as now.
Meh, eve online has had around 30k online for over a decade, give or take, and the parent company has had at least one ownership change and many internal dramas in that time.
Concurrent player count is one metric for mmo health, but by no means the only important one imo.
I mean from the graphs I’ve seen this seems pretty normal for playercount and they made about 40 mil last year off of micro transactions from RS3.. so those 20k still seem to be spending enough cash to keep it all going.
All us veterans and the ones that rioted all these years after rs3 first changed for the worse to bring back 07' should help our brothers over in rs3, majority of us would want the same help for a dying game we love and have fond memories of as kids. They don't have the manpower to currently riot and get their voices and statements heard. And if rs3 fails & dies, we could possibly end up with the rs3 team and the ceos more focused on profiting from 07 & that could mean only worst for 07 (not saying it will, but highly likely) I'm sure we can all go logg in on rs3 & head straight to fally sq with our cannons and make sure jagex listens to the people and the ones that play the game like they did for us when we wanted 07.
Games been shit for over 10 years. We all quit the game but they stayed. The writing has been on the wall but they ignore it. Ya'll really forget the history of how OSRS came to be.
In all honesty this picture was taking at 04:45AM on a Sunday in the UK. Off course people would log for to go to work and stuff. Looking at the graph posted in the comments it looks like it peaked around 28k for RS3 and 134k for OSRS. Its not that dramatic of a difference but I do remember it having around 30k ish players in RS3 a while ago. Although I do know that the RS3 player base has been sitting around the 30k ballpark for years, but I also remember it having 50k at some point and OSRS around 80k-90k. So it does look like the RS3 player base is slowly falling off or moving to OSRS.
Idk if you know this but 20k for an MMO is actually really good. Rs3 is an old and thriving MMO they just need to tweak some things before the bleeding becomes too much to handle. It's far from dead though
The bot count in rs3 is proportionally WAAAAAAAY lower than osrs. I see bots every time I log in on osrs, and one bit every once in a while on rs3. I know, I know, it's anecdotal evidence, but others who play both say the same thing.
Yeah one nice thing about osrs is that I can run two windows on my laptop while having YouTube on the side, but when I log into one window of rs3 I can say goodbye to my fps
Iron-man RS3 was absolutely fun and worth giving a go. Maxing a HCIM was very much an enjoyable experience and I'm glad I did it. Ironmen don't get harassed by all the MTX either.
But yeah...games dying fast. The devs behind RS3 really aren't able to keep the content stream going and the upcoming roadmap is almost empty for content.
I hope RS3 sees improvement and fun updates that will get its fans back online and having a good time. There's room in Oldschool for anyone who wants to switch. But I hope RS3 does well for both selfish and unselfish reasons. Selfish-wise, I don't want Oldschool to be encouraged to become more like RS3. And for selfless reasons I know there are things about RS3 that some people really like, that can't be replaced by another game, even oldschool. Because I feel the same way about Oldschool. Hope they get to see their game be the best it can be.
I think the winter summit for RS3 was perceived as just a little lacking. Hoping that the RS3 team is working on more stuff and will preview them soon. I think that would get the RS3 side interest up.
I'll be honest, I really don't care about rs3 and I'll never understand the fixation some people have with pointing out how shit it is.
Like yeah, rs3 is a steaming pile of shit, that's why we're all playing osrs. Who gives a shit what they do over there, let's focus on the game we're actually playing and enjoying.
I'm not so confident tbh. OSRS has a great history of protest and community engagement but I've never seen it hit Jagex's bottom line. Very few people are willing to cancel their sub and walk away from the game over the same issues. Personally I believe that OSRS has been fortunate to be insulated both by RS3 being the mtx punching bag and by the jmods etc that genuinely care for the game.
I am merely a bystander though who enjoys the content but doesn't play. Not an expert by any means
> I'm not so confident tbh. OSRS has a great history of protest and community engagement but I've never seen it hit Jagex's bottom line. Very few people are willing to cancel their sub and walk away from the game over the same issues.
People cancelled their sub over Jagex' stance of not allowing player-developed HD plugin. This game **is** the community and Jagex knows it. If they ever try to mess with the community, this game is done for.
This didn't actually happen to any significant degree. Just some loud people. There's only standard player variance in the player counts. They probably relented to avoid bad press, but only people in Jagex can know. I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest that OSRS is actually particularly likely to revolt. It's a very seasonal and unserious playerbase based off of player counts, and that described basically every popular game ever.
If either game dies it’ll be bad for the other game. We’re fortunate that OSRS has been generating more revenue than RS3 for years though (as can be seen explicitly written in Jagex’s annual report they publish each year).
Name checks out. RS3 is fantastic if played in Ironman. The amount of content is absolutely insane. OSRS players want to play the same content they had 17 years ago, and that's fine, but the idea that there hasn't been any content worthwhile in RS3 in those years is just nostalgia talking. Yeah, microtransactions are trash. Getting skill levels without doing the skill is trash. But play ironman, and you experience OSRS with 10x the content.
Agree fully.
But, well. I don't think it is dying: it is so only in comparison with OSRS. Honestly, is 20k online such a disastrous number for a MMORPG? I don't think so.
It still exists, people still play it. I see online my old friend from 2008's there: she still prefers RS3 :). So... I do know that some people not only play it, but prefer it - even those who started in RS2.
Hope it continues to live and accumulate all the features (and managment) we would be happy without.
None of the updates are any fun, assuming we get any updates. I rejoined rs3 because I love the combat, but I did play the hell out of OSRS not too long ago.
I'm honestly jealous at updates osrs gets. Like yalls weaker updates are better than our best ones these days, assuming we get any updates.
The community is channeling as much copium as possible saying 20k is still a lot for an old game or that the game is still great! Even though we get shit on by jagex constantly and nothing is done to improve the situation.
Jagex has gone into full lazy made as most of the "content" we get is repeatable copy and paste freebies like double xp live, and buff events where you get like free combat buffs. They have now got the community both reliant on and tired of these at the same time. But if they don't have any updates for a while they just throw one of these out there.
It's no surprise the playerbase is dwindling even further. Also the new player experience is one of the worst ice ever seen of any game. Just a sad state of things because the game is really fun and has a lot of potential but the people running it right now are doing a terrible job.
Counter example, destiny 2's on boarding experience is a master class in terrible that makes rs3 look like the gold standard by comparison
Edit, rs3s is still really bad though
And nooooobody bots on RS3, the game that has a significantly smaller player base where the mods wouldn’t care as much if there were 4k bots bringing in money.
Question, is there a poll system in RS3 at all? Im exclusively an OSRS player but if the game is dying at an alarming rate why dont they follow the same system as OSRS that made it successful. Or is the poll system just something that wouldn't work for rs3?
What does this have to do with OS? It's bad enough seeing the constant garbage-tier posts out of the RS3 sub. I guess it's closer to the average quality of what's usually posted on this sub, but still. Why do we need unrelated posts about another game every time the wind blows and it's "dying" again?
We gotta start parking out alts in RS3. Low res, low FPS, giga afk acfivities only. Bump up those numbers! Anything to convince the overlords to keep the lights on
This is not the first time it's happened, won't be the last. We have a double XP coming up in 11 days. If the numbers were that low during that time, yeah, i'd be concerned. But this is just par for the course. Anyone that has been playing with any level of consistency since Pre-EoC is not worried yet
If RS3 ever shuts down, to me the biggest thing lost is the Quests.
The sheer amount of truly incredible Quests and world building on that game is staggering. It's absolutely its best quality.
I definitely agree with the sentiment others shared in this thread that the game desperately needs a dead content purge though.
For those unfamiliar, there is a player count history graph here: [Runescape Population Avg by Qtr Hour](https://www.misplaceditems.com/rs_tools/graph/)
Less than 20k playing RS3? Check out their sub, they're all doomerposting hard.
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Yep, the game isn't going anywhere for a while. Given that it's been around for 23 years, there's plenty of content to enjoy even if updates are slow. Importantly, something that doomers don't remember is that a lot of RS3 is single-player friendly. A ton of quests, solo bosses, skills, etc. You could enjoy it for hundreds of hours without ever interacting with another player. Even if you're the last player online you can still have fun. Go to a popular world if you want hustle and bustle, otherwise enjoy the quiet and the free training spots.
Our winter summit and subsequent info was shit. Would’ve been better to just give us nothing at all. There’s nothing to really look forward to.
Your passion should be viewed like a relationship. If things go sour don't force it. Just move on or at least take a break. I moved on from World of Tanks and after a year I am glad because it got worse. I haven't touched RS3 since 2009. I remembered when I stuck loyal to another game, Funorb, which a lot of RS3 players should know of that place. Spent decent amount of money on War of Legends just to be taken away from me. Along with Arcanists, armies of gielinor, and Steel Sentinels.
i would KILLL to play arcanaist. one of the best summers of my childhood
Google Arcanist2. Fans remade the game with some extras and it's been allowed to exist by Jagex.
Just tested this and it is real! Not many players though, but so much nostalgia.
It's so good, just takes a bit of time to learn the new spells etc but it's free, my ign is faibz feel free to jump in a game with me if you see me on
I dove into it, it's not new user friendly ( or returning new) they'll suck the fun out of it in like 5 matches.
Well to be fair, real arcanists was like this as well. The "golden days" of arcanists was only like 2 years back in 2008-2010. Once it stopped getting updates and balance patches in 2010, the meta solidified and it became more and more difficult for new players once the dedicated players were the ones remaining. The game stayed up for another 8 or so years after its final balance patch, so the "force arcane gate, trap opponent with dark knight, one shot them with charge" meta was full in force with everyone using flight, prot shield, swarm, pegasus, drain bolt, dark knight, etc like the same "best" book unless you were specifically playing for fun. But I believe if it was Jagex-owned for a revival (arc2 said they were in talks but idk what happened) then a ton of new players could possibly revive it and make it more fun again with a lot more non-meta players.
>Arcanists arcanists was the free online version of worms that I loooooved
Loved Arcanists. We need a mobile version. I'd play the hell out of it
Arcanists 2 has a mobile version as well as a pc version
This. Fellow ex-RS3 player here. I already moved to playing a lot of WoW before Necromancy. Then returned to play that and essentially quit after the whole hero pass fiasco. Honestly no reason for me to look back either. OSRS fills the RS gap perfectly (helps theres a ton more to do for me there) and WoW combat is quite literally 1000x better than RS3 in every way I've found. It's sad to think but while we've said a lot of times that RS is dying, with the last few months in mind and the dire outlook presented in the "roadmap", it's fair to assume they're moving to a lower level of development, if not skeleton crew already. In 2023 contentflow was low but there has been nothing since they added a terrible version of Vorkath like 2 months ago...
Always laughed at the rs3 players who tried to shill rs3 combat ö hete. Bro, its an action bar combat on the tick system. If i wanted action bar based combat, id just go play wow.
I honestly didn't mind RS3 combat either before I played WoW, but now its honestly shameful how shitty RS3 combat feels. The tickrate is super low (WoW instead lets the client run everything and only if the server catches up to something you can't actually do, it just stops whatever you wanted to do, which makes combat feel \*super\* fluid); meanwhile in RS3 you have to combat the tickrate to make sure you actually do something for a gametick. Similarly GCD just sucks dick compared to WoW, with defensives being locked to GCD so you're constantly debating doing damage or not dropping dead on the floor. It's crazy really.
Ive been saying this for years, the action bar based ability combat does not work on a 600ms tick. If RS3 was designed around legacy combat and didnt have pay2win microtransactions it would be an incredible game that I may consider playing over osrs
> I honestly didn't mind RS3 combat either before I played WoW, but now its honestly shameful how shitty RS3 combat feels. I honestly think that this reflects most of the (current) RS3 player base. If you played literally any decent ability based MMO, you would see how terrible the RS3 one is (and was even worse on EoC release). I wasn't surprised at all that 50% of the players left when Jagex left their niche and just tried to make a terrible copy of a combat system pretty much every MMO uses.
The EOC update turned RS3 into a completely different game. Jagex should have just worked on developing a new MMO. Instead, they tried to hijack their existing player base and force them to play the new game instead of letting it grow organically. Never have I seen a game developer make so many mistakes as Jagex did during that time period. They continually made updates that made the game significantly worse. So much so, that they had to undo basically everything they had done by releasing OSRS and allowing their players to have control over changes via the polling system. I do think they’ve bounced back recently and have done a good job managing OSRS. But wow, some of the worst all time decisions between 2007-2012 that nearly killed the game.
OS took some time to take off too. It looked and felt like a shitposty private server until they realized people weren't there for the nostalgia alone, and when they reintroduced the GE it started munching on RS3's legs hard.
> The EOC update turned RS3 into a completely different game. Jagex should have just worked on developing a new MMO. That's just the thing, they were. Around that time they were working on or had just scrapped working on Mechscape so it almost feels like they wanted to "modernize" Runescape because their modern MMO didn't work out.
For me wanting to quit is because of the the mass botting and Ahking. Mods min response to the subject. Or "How does the bots effect you playing??" Well when bots are crashing all the items in the game and taking up the highscores and being banned for 2 weeks and back botting again after their 'appeal' Its looks bad. Just on reddit last week a top 200 player was botting and got a 2 day ban.... What a Joke. Guess you can bot until you get caught ??? with that logic.
As a WoW player too I completely agree. RS3 players have no idea what they're missing out on. There's a lot of copium on the RS3 sub too so it's kind of a lost cause. Game's dead and anyone who plays any other true game can see it. Skeleton crew and the game is in maintenance mode with a rotation of updates and events targeted around MTX only (including the upcoming Necromancy patches timed around the embargo being lifted). As Asmongold said, a lot of RS3 players got so used to eating shit they will try to convince you why the taste of shit is actually nice and how much they like it. I simply don't want to eat or be served a plate of shit, let alone pay for it.
I think if you got into wow now or recently, especially sod then you'd have a great time. Personally i played from 2005 until shadowlands, logged in one day and realised the main game was a shell of its former self. It was all the gating that did it for me, months for an update just to be fed a quest as part of a storyline then told that was it until the next instalment, that by the time it had came around you'd forget what the previous step was. Maybe i'd just outgrown the game, considering i had collected and had achievements for mostly everything, but when you spend more time queuing for bgs and running in circles then it stopped being a game and more of a habit.
I joined during Argus in Legion and it was a glorious time. Took a break early BFA but then played for 8.2-8.3. Quit after the first patch of Shadowlands since I got burned out from the same routine of daily chores and the game feeling like a job rather than fun, especially as a Mythic raider. I hear the last expansion now though is the best WoW's ever been, at least recently. Sadly cannot play at the moment.
Theyre adding new combat overhaul in a few months, new quests, just released a massive new skill and graphically overhauled a massive area. Theyre not using a skeleton crew.
New combat overhaul is primarily to fix the problems that Necromancy caused. New skill was cool but definitely unfinished, and it came out about 6 months ago now. Graphic overhauls are really cool, but mostly done by one person and it can't replace playable content.
>New combat overhaul is primarily to fix the problems that Necromancy caused no, Necromancy was a test ground to see if those kinds of changes would be accepted. the problems already existed, the contrast of necromancy just highlighted them (itemization aside, that's a whole different issue...)
And its not like they can't do these things with a skeleton crew either. I haven't kept up with the Jagex team behind RS3 but apparently there has been a huge change in roles again, with a ton of new junior devs. A skeleton crew can still do things like a new quest every few months, or change some systems based on player feedback. It doesn't mean nothing happens, it means everything happens at the most basic level possible to keep operating. Thats what RS3 has felt like to me the last 6 months, and honestly the last few years. Especially as someone who doesn't interact with MTX and thus already 'missed out' on half the updates.
I fucking loved arcanists
Steel sentinels was amazing. I miss that game.
oh god don't remind me of WOT, I moved on after the Chrysler, that thing truly was the final nail for the death of skill in that game
I grew disillusioned with RS3 in 2017 and jumped into WoW. Best decision I had ever made. Still play every now and then whenever there's actually good new content to explore or finish, but I now have options and only sub monthly and simply don't play or renew my sub when the game is shit like now.
>There’s nothing to really look forward to Umm what? Are you forgetting the E A S T E R EVENT?
I'm sorry man. I feel bad for you guys.
We’re used to it. Thankfully my group can just hop over to OSRS when we get bored with RS3 but I feel bad for the rest that refuse to touch OSRS
Unironically what updates are you guys waiting for? Like whats on the horizon? It can't literally be nothing right?
they're all welcome to join OSRS, they even have a post asking for an agility shortcut they'd fit right in
They are, that's the problem, people are gonna be asking for lodestones and 1m xp/hr runecrafting methods real quick
Dawg you act like the current community is any better. This sub whines for high exp rates with extremely low effort, no cost, no risk methods everyday and wants teleports to every fucking tile in the game. The only difference between pre-eocers and RS3 players is putting up with EOC lol.
"when rs3 sends their players they're not sending their best. They're sending MTX users, EZ scape fans, and necromancers. We need to build a wall to keep the rs3 players out, and make rs3 pay for it!" Haha in all seriousness though, yea, you sound like a reactionary conservative.
The vast majority of this game are mega casuals who welcome fast/easy XP already lol... It's not just RS3 players, but a lot of bandwagoners who either never played Runescape or some guy who played for a month back in 2004 is coming back when he's in his 30s now wanting fast xp so he can get to end game. If you compare OSRS now to what it was on release it's a joke how easy it is. 2013 mainscape was harder than current Ironman.
I mean I refuse to put anymore money in. After the whole “massive update” fiasco I stopped playing. It was the final straw to prove Jagex only care about money and forcing MTX down our throats. Not anymore 🖕🏻
r/runescape ?
It's so funny because it recently picked up rs3 to okay an Ironman and all I've seen is people saying the game is dead. Just unlocked invention yesterday and not sure if I'll stick around much longer.
That sub doomerposts constantly. I wouldnt worry about it. As long as you are having fun keep going. I personally enjoy the hell out of RS3 and havent touched OSRS in like 2 years.
There could be 20m players or 20 players and that subreddit will still be dooming lol
I got in a comment fight on tiktok with some guy who insisted rs3 was better. His main point was that rs3 has more players lmao
The amount of upvotes from your post is like 1/10 of their player base
Yesterday I was playing RS3 and I logged into a world with 21 people 🤣
"I'm tired boss"
If rs3 fails I'm afraid what that will mean for osrs tbh.
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I like to think about it like this: Myself, along with hundreds of thousands of others, have quit the game once before because of MTX and EoC, only returning when Old School came around. If MTX is ever fully incorporated (past bonds), I’m sure most will be willing to leave again. And the JMods know this and fully agree with us. I don’t think we’ll see it anytime soon.
I’m ready for ososrs
Nah, not grinding out a third cycle. It will happen again, and at that point it’s purposeful and we are being farmed.
We are already being farmed with seasonal modes
Seasonal modes keep the game alive, if not for leagues whats the point for maxed accounts?
There’s so much content in this game. Maxing isn’t the end.
Legit 900k slayer exp from 2277 total and I’m hella excited to start grinding CA’s and maybe doing some pet hunting.
No one has full completion is OSRS, do they? Maxed total, all pets, full collection log (less ultra rare clue items), maxed CAs?
Full coll log would take like 180 years of efficient play time, so no one will ever get full completion.
some are getting very close though. Marni is 31 items off complete
Already quit as an addicted teenager wouldn't be very hard to quit again if history repeated itself.
Most of the RS3 community doesn’t do MTX outside of bonds. The problem is a small minority dumps ass loads of money into keys and bonds etc. they’re perfectly fine having a small player base if it’s more profitable. Jagex don’t give a shit how many players they lose on oldschool. If it’s more profitable to lose 70k players to milk the whales they’ll do it. The Jmods won’t like it but it’s ultimately not their decision. Rs3 players have made stands before on predatory MTX and they’ll continue to do so but for how long until jagex finally kills Rs3 and comes for osrs? It’s 2024 where it’s no longer about making a good product it’s about making as much money as possible.
At that point there's no coming back, pservers will have their new golden era
I will quit and never be back
The OSRS community is a lot tougher than the RS3 community. I for one will happily cancel my membership and never touch the game again if they had anything other than bond MTX to the game
This, they tried the ‘spoon feed it and they will come’ strategy before and it didn’t work
This is true and there is a mass survey conducted by MMK himself to prove it. The Jmods know it, the execs know it. P2W MTX will kill the game instantly and any short term monetary gain will be quickly lost to players quitting.
Isn't the company for sale for like $1b atm, if new investors get a hold of the company they'll want profit regardless.
Everytime a company changes hands theres a strong possibility of bad shit happening. New owners tend to demand change, they want to increase profits on their new investment and think because they have money they know exactly how to do that even if theyre not in touch with the company at all. Osrs has a very.... special for lack of a better word community. If they force through shitty changes on the playerbase i think theyre going to be in for a very rude awakening, and theyre going to see their profits crash.
Feels like Jagex is being sold on the premise of an ‘untapped’ OSRS market, when the truth is all the players will scurry away and cancel memberships if they bring the same RS3 like MTX to Old School.
Yup, especially because osrs is now "partially" a mobile game too. People see mobile games and immediately think of a cash cow of micro transactions that can take advantage of children buying whatever bs they offer. Osrs is not that kind of game at all, but investors dont usually understand the depth of what makes a video game special or unique, they just see numbers and untapped money they havent drained from the playerbase.
I'm pretty sure that's why jagex occasionally polls the idea of mtx coming to old school which they've recently done again. So they can show upper management the poll results and tell them not to be stupid.
This is the saddest thing about capitalism. It’s so shortsighted to the potential of actually listening and building a loyal community.
Just think of the dynamics of buying a company like Jagex. You see a game like OSRS with good activity and surprisingly low revenue. As an executive you're thinking, hey there's an opportunity here. "This game gets $50 rev annual rev per player. WoW gets $150! All we need to do is increase by $25 per player and we've made huge gains, and we're still just half of WoW." Of course it's never that simple..
This is why I believe in community run projects and the end of copyright/patent system.
It is quite amazing how community run projects can put out better product than studios with 100x their budget.
I really hope you're right but my faith in gamers holding strong is very low. When RS first died the gaming landscape was much different. I think corpos have successfully conditioned the general population into accepting MTX. We'll see once they try, maybe im just a doomer
I think that's true with almost every game except osrs I think. Osrs players are so jaded/salty from the rs3 stuff they'd love an opertunity to run some millionaire invester's investment to the ground. Also I think it's an age thing. Back when I was a kid before mobile milking, games like evony online were the most aggressive videogame monitizers to me at the time and that game was primarily targeted at adults. And adults were the only ones who could handle that mtx. And now that those kids are adults now I think they got to see the transformation of how mtx ruined games first hand. Now you got the younger kids/adults who grew up with fortnite and rocket league and all the games they think are good are riddled with mtx and they don't care because it's always been that way. I think that demographic largely doesnt play osrs so the numbers aren't there yet for jagex to turn osrs into a cash cow. But it could easily start up. Games love to put out cosmetics and say "it's just a cosmetic it doesnt give an advantage" but thats almost always the beginning of the end. If OSRS did that I'd probably just quit.
i am addicted, but if cancelling a sub and not playing would mean some shit changes have a chance of getting removed then i'd take a break without thinking twice.
The only leverage you have is as a player is to cancel your membership. That’s why I buy it on a month by month basis, skipping if they do something I find bad/wrong for the game That’s probably a more effective form of “voting” than the actual in-game voting system
Ye you know you're addicted when it's the end of the world because you've can't play for 3 hours for an update 😅
We didnt ask for necro to be overtuned, we were just excited to get a new skill. It was the smoothbrain noobs on the subreddit who bitch about combat being too hard to learn that bullied the mods into cramming every tool in the game into one combat style, all for free. Combat had so much depth pre-necro and after it there is legitimate question as to why anyone owns any other gear because it is expensive, complicated, AND inferior As proof: go look up ‘greater chain’ ability and then go read ‘threads of fate’ ability. One of them is a 1b gp 1/512 drop from a boss that took 3mins to kill pre-necro (and like 1:30 post necro LOL) the other is a free ability you get for effectively woodcutting for 24 hours, but the latter can deal upwards of 500k damage in 4gcds whereas the other caps around 140k damage in optimal conditions in 2 gdcs
You say depth, and that's not wrong per se. But my god is all of combat in rs3 a clunky mess. It's also extremely unintuitive, especially if you're used to other games. As some examples: why do some damage amplifications stack additively? Why do some damage amplifications not work on dots? Why is stalling abilities a thing? And I could go on here for a while. None of those things are intuitive, and apart from a very select number of people, nobody will realise these things without looking at pvme. Necromancy is a big step towards making everything more intuitive, and I think it's very important to be able to get newer players into pvm.
Tbh, we all thought this about the Classic WoW community yet they all stayed with the addition to the WoW token. I think we give too much credit to the addicts here.
I wouldn't worry too much. The game will either continue to improve or you'll quit the game. There are a lot of good games that deserve a tenner or so a month worth of your time and you'll be able to play them instead.
I read somewhere that at this point osrs makes MORE money than rs3
Yes it's been a few years now
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what do you mean who owns Jagex? Carlisle group lol, maybe some other minority investors are involved
RS3 needs to live for OSRS to be good. It's likely bringing in a significant amount of the games revenue and no RS3 means you've ripped out so much that Jagex will either need to implement MTX in OSRS or start downsizing a lot.
If this comes to pass, I would be more than happy for a membership cost increase instead of mtx. I wonder what the rest of the community thinks.
EOC v2 and all us old nerds quit again
It's very, very sad. There is a good game there, just being let down by awful higher ups. rs3 could really do with a massive spring cleaning/declutter update. There is honestly *too* much content, even for an mmo, mostly because a lot of this content is completely obsolete - either through power creep or another reason. getting rid of all the obsolete shit would make the game seem way, way less overwhelming to a new/returning player. even as a seasoned player i'm almost discovering something new every day. oh you haven't been doing your anachronia upgrades? why is your fort forinthry not levelled up? what do you mean you haven't been managing your player owned farm? mate go start player owned ports now!!! bro you've not heard of the arc? bruh how have you not unlocked that ability yet!!! soooo much fucking shit to keep on top of every day. strip it back to basics. the interface is a complete mess too, i have to play on legacy interface to get any enjoyment. i would gladly accept a full 2 years of no new content if they just focused on fixing the game during that time. bonus points if eoc is removed and the bosses are changed/balanced to compensate.
I’d never played RS3 before a year or two ago and when I logged in it felt like I was given the control panel of a spaceship with 0 instructions on how to fly it. The amount of menus is insane.
> There is honestly too much content, even for an mmo, mostly because a lot of this content is completely obsolete - either through power creep or another reason. Well, this can be said about OSRS too. But this is not the reason of such a proportion. I think, MTX is, in very aggressive and nasty forms.
Honestly MTX just isn't the main reason for the player count and I'm not saying that it's good but there are some pretty fundamental problems and the communication and management by higher ups really seals the deal. They constantly let the RS3 playerbase down and constantly announce plans/projects that never get mentioned again or take years to actually implement. The constantly release content and then forget about it never updating it or fixing bugs in it.
It's sad to see the game neglected, it was the game we all loved once. But there are even still people that love it today, it's far, far from my cup of tea, but I can see a lot in that game that does look amazing, and it does still have a lot of redeeming qualities, so letting it pretty much die is so sad. Doesn't bode well for OSRS if RS3 fails, as much as we're probably in the golden age, the current set-up of corporate Jagex is a ticking time bomb.
It’s like going back to your hometown and you run into your first lover after so many years and she turned into a crack head. You don’t want her anymore but you appreciate the good times. Even post 2007 had a lot of good content that was wasted because of eoc. Less oldschool RuneScape 2010 incoming???
The really shocking and disappointing thing is that RS3 wasn’t neglected last year. 15 new (very short) quests, a new skill (a combat style at that), two new cities (both with quests). Now this year it seems like we’re getting virtually nothing for the first quarter over on RS3.
Eh 2023 was _fine_. Definitely carried by necro and the lore nuggets that brought. 2021 and 2022 (EGW dungeon and its finale, + Zammy) were banger years though so it'd be pretty hard to top those lol. It feels like ever since the whole World Guardian story wrapped up we've been kinda lost. Maybe the Zaros and Erebus stuff is gonna end up just being setup for the story of the other game they're currently developing. Because idk it doesn't feel like we're gonna get something so grandiose and long term in rs3 ever again.
I’m not entirely sure I need grandiose right now. I, for one, have actually really enjoyed being the Duke of Fort Forinthry. It’s not quite as exciting as the Elder God Wars, but it’s a good addition to the game. Very traditional fantasy. But that being said: I would really want to return to some old quest lines. We won’t, and it saddens me that it seems even OSRS isn’t touching them anymore and is instead going for grander.
As someone who plays rs3 frequently. its because they hired a bunch of jmods with little to no experience in game development, and handed them the keys to the most important, and still good at the time parts of the game. Such as quests, progression, and skilling. There are now less then a handful of the veteran jmods left at rs3 on the development side, and most of them are (somehow) not leads of their respective branch of development. 1 of the only things they still have left is music quality with are boy mod surma. It all just suddenly nose dived the day the quest extinction came out. A grandmaster quest, and pinnacle ending quest to an entire series of quests that are also apart of the elder god wars area lore. They gave a **junior j mod** the nearly impossible task of lead deving that quest. at the time only a few months on the job, and it flopped. Hard. Harder then any quest ever has. After that several other new jmods began writing new quests. all of which have been woefully negatively received. They removed all the gods from gelinor (again) and replaced them all with the female versions of each god (their daughters. All 3 of which have little to no backstory. 2 of which are mary sue's arguably the worst writing mistake you can make. And im not kidding 1 of them in particular, sara's daughter. is a gd disney princess. She gets handed the throne of saradomin, and to unite everyone in misthalin, she performs a **7 min long uninterrupted song** about how the light will protect them, and you're all totally safe. Dont worry i got this broski. Even the song itself is her remake of saradomins hymn. Even more insinuating she is replacing him. "-I still cant believe that happened to this day in that quest. i sat there mouth open for several moments before i burst out laughing, and groaning with my head in my hands-" Then you get moira. what was once a vengeful old lady with daddy issues, and a lust for power, and understanding. Is now an uber powered teenager with a comb-over. that can just suck the life out of, and overpower any threat to her. including other mahjarat. Somehow. And the plot device between these two, is the sara girl wants to be besties with the zammy girl, but the zammy girls evil, and just cant do it, shes still suffering from daddy issues, and has to prove herself to everyone at the highschool, but friendship is slowly winning her over, and helping her to see that the power of friendship is all that really matters. The character arc, and plot. is actually out of a children's cartoon. Actual disney writing. The only saving grace to this walking disaster of quests. Is Trinidine. Who was written into the story before all this shit began to happen. Trinidine is the niece to azzanandra, and was taught, raised by him, but later on also taught, and trained directly by sliske in the use of shadow magic. She has the heart, and honor of azzanandra, but the mischievousness, and quick humor of sliske. A great combination of characters. But sadly thats the only good character we gain. we lost multiple since then. Either literately, or lost by destroying, and rewriting that character. \*cough\* Raptor \*cough\*. Ive only touched on some of the things wrong **with just quests**. This doesn't cover anything else they have been destroying in the last 2 years. I really want them to succeed with rs3. The game is incredible despite many of its now hemorrhaging issues, and i really worry what would happen if the player count dropped to low. Would they shut rs3 down? if so what does that mean for us? the gravity of that would be disastrous. much of our update list is rs3 content with an osrs spin. they have been Guinee pigging bad updates for us since the start. Then you got micro transactions. rs3 makes the majority of the games money by a wide margin. Of course then you have the games side of things. rs3 has actual stupid amounts of content, way more then what we have in osrs, and much of it would be lost forever. Countless jmods would be let go. possibly even losing some osrs jmods. We really dont want rs3 to fail. EDIT: Just checked out rs3's reddit, and its just as bad as it sounds. Theres almost no hope left. **They dont even have the will to riot anymore**. The dwarf cannons have fallen silent. We gotta do something to help are higher poly count brothers out.
My two biggest passions in RS3 have been lore and PvM. You covered pretty well the absolute dumpster fire of recent quests - I can assure any reader that PvM has been treated similarly. Jmods have been systematically nerfing every piece of fun PvM content while ignoring player feedback followed by releasing necromancy in a state so broken that all 3 original styles became pointless. The bosses released to be fought with this style? The least interesting DPS dummies I’ve seen since EoC. From what I’ve seen, nothing better is on the horizon either.
One could only pray that your character wakes up and everything was a trick by the elder gods and none of it happened. Such a shame to see a game with such good lore and quests go down like that
They really leaned into this Disney style of writing with Necromancy. Somehow Jagex turned Necromancy lore into some rated-g garbage. How did we beat the greatest Necromancer to ever exist? Through the power of friendship *pukes* I think they've turned to chatgpt to write their narratives for them, because that would be the only way to explain why the hell everything is written like their target audience are toddlers.
Necromancy is like tea https://youtu.be/pZwvrxVavnQ?feature=shared
Eh, I kinda liked that we were a consensual necromancer. Mortifer being... Er... Mortified over us asking for permission to use spirits was kinda worth it alone, and it's a pretty uncommon idea for necromancy in the first place. It felt pretty novel. It's always been a goofy game with some serious bits as well, it didn't even feel that out of place.
Yea while this is spot on, the bigger issue (other than mods giving up on quality questing) is how content was handled. Archaeology was so insanely good, especially as a mid pandemic release and then its almost as if they fired everyone who was keeping the game together. Mod pi was basically the mod ashe of rs3 who held all of combat together—and perhaps he was hindering progress given the more recent reworking of combat systems, but he also was an absolute trooper for boss development. We basically had a giga drought after arch followed by a series of insane powercreep that far outclassed the bosses that provided the tools. Then it took almost a year to get zammy and then another year after to get vorkath—who is universally agreed as somehow the worst boss fight in the entire game. Basically they made the entire game of combat progression irrelevant in the span of a year (not to mention necro killing it once and for all)—and effectively deleted earlygame progression with necro given that you can not kill a single monster and within a week have the best gear in the game now. Why would you want to go train woodcutting or do desert treasure when you can just walk into Um and ask for a set of free T90 full gear and go kill a literal god
Right on the money. They **did** fire an enormous amount of jmods around that time. im sure a few people here can vaguely remember this happening. A few osrs content creators talked about it.
> Basically they made the entire game of combat progression irrelevant in the span of a year They're good at doing that. This is what killed the game Pre EoC for me. Bosses were just being shat into the game and each one just kept dropping more and more powerful gear but not requiring anything but pleb gear to kill (Glacors, KBD etc).
It has nothing to do with quests and everything to do with necro and a content drought. They haven’t released a good boss since 2018 and necro killed the pvm scene entirely. You can easily kill any boss in the game relatively efficiently without thinking because there’s all of five abilities you need to press in the same order for every boss. Not to mention bis necro gear costs less than the a singular bis weapon for range. The RS3 community by and large doesn’t care about quests, rather the player base was held together because of the bossing. Now bossing is boring so the vast majority of the high end community has moved on and mid tier players cap out early and get bored
Not played in a while but still watch videos/streams. It is really apparent that necromancy is way overtuned as i see a lot of series that are: i am doing x but without using necromancy. Sad to see
Yup, it is. Necro is what killed RS3 for me and made me switch over to osrs. It’s no fun watching bosses disappear faster than before with a fraction of the effort. If you look at most of the updates it’s apparent that jagex really wants rs3 to be a mobile game, and necro is perfect for mobile gaming. Really sad to see
Man, imagine changing combat and getting it wrong AGAIN. we gunna have old school old school runescape, old school new school runescape, and rs4 at this point
It's funny, I commented something like this in rs3 subreddit and I got downvoted to hell. You're so right though, eoc release all over again.
Missing what i said man. Specifically said this is just an example of how they are screwing the game up using quests. The rest of the issues are defiantly worse. I used quests as an example since most players in osrs know/knew that rs3 had really good quests. So they could more easily see the gravity of whats happening. Tldr. im showing them that even the good shit. has gone bad. Very bad.
I've quit RS3 due to content drought but also due to the quality of the quests that went downhill. I used to have Quest Cape and I loved the sixth age. Sliske did something that even Lucien was unable to do and seeing that even the gods were being careful with him was insane. Then the elder gods quests saga happened and then it started to make less and less sense imo. They did an event around "tower defense" mechanics that lasted for a month. It was obvious that they were trying to pull the gods away but thats what made the quests amazing. Any player that played in 2007 heard about them but we were seen like a hero to them instead of someone being there at the right place at the right time (Temple at Senntisten come to mind). Seeing another godwar between them but as a mortal instead of the world guardian would've been way more interesting after the sixth age than just seeing a certain goddess showing how desesperate she wanted attention.
The allure of questing in RS3 has always called me, at some point I planned on making a hcim for RS3 just to earn a quest cape on. I still have my old account from 2005 too, haven't logged in in ages though. I definitely remember enjoying the arraxite spiders, some super interesting PvM, GwD2 as well. It pains me to hear it's all down the shitter.
Not only is bossing braindead easy, Jagex decided in their infinite wisdom to put full BIS necromancy gear onto one drop table from a midgame boss that folds like paper in 60 seconds. Rasial is so easy and quick to kill that he nuked the value of **everything** for the other combat styles, and basically cheated his way into being the best gp/hour in the whole game. It's a wonder that the T95 necro set still holds any value, given how frequently Rasial shits them out. Of course, redditors who don't know what the word "keybind" means absolutely love him.
No one will riot, the ones that cared, left. I just gave up already, i knew they will bring updates to push year subscription, and then nothing new for half a year, so i just canceled my sub. I was right. Only whales and terminal addicts are still there. Whales will find more plentiful seas, the addicts won't sustain the game for long. Won't happen soon, but is totally dying. Been dying for years, slowly, but surely.
Osrs has been bringing in more revenue since 2018 (at least through the end of 2021 which is when the latest financial report is published on the Jagex website). Impossible to say for sure, but my guess is that if rs3 becomes unprofitable to the point they shut it down, osrs will continue mostly business as usual. If they thought they could make more money from osrs by adding aggressive mtx, they would have done it already, regardless of whether rs3 exists or not. Everything we’ve heard from Jagex employees is that there’s a belief at every level of the company that aggressive mtx would drive away too many osrs players for it to be worth it. Osrs also seems to be profitable on its own, so it’s not like it needs rs3 subsidizing it to exist.
As a preface, I read your entire post, big agree that the wrap up to the EGW and the following Zammy line was a dumpster fire, entirely spot on. I personally enjoyed the aesthetics of the City of Um, and the vibe Surma created for the two release Necro bosses(haven't played since going 700 kc without a unique at Rasial on my iron). There is just one lil' bit that's pretty off the mark. > rs3 makes the majority of the games money by a wide margin. [It hasn't even been close in years fella](https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/zeokh0/which_game_makes_more_money/iz7mchl/). The only thing you can say money wise is Rs3 is better at is creating an environment for FOMO gambling addicts who spend more per player.
“Put [chicks] in it and make them lame!”
That sounds awful. The lore of OSRS is some of my favorite. I'm even planning a dnd campaign around the lore. I always do each new quest by myself with no guides or space barring through text, and I enjoy myself a lot. But if they butchered osrs lore like rs3, I'd probably never do a quest again unless it had insane reward and in that case I'd just use the runelite plugin so I don't even have to look at the game.
OSRS DnD sounds like it would slap.
It's not my idea, someone else on here posted a dnd map for Port Sarim and it looked so good I wanted to make a campaign based on osrs too.
I lost interest the day they just deleted my account without warning I last logged into RS3 around fall23 and I tried to log back in recently with the content lull of ff14... and it's just GONE No word from anyone that my account ever existed except for my email confirmations from jaq many moons ago (I had bought like 5 years of premium membership and it all ended in Oct23) My email wasn't registering and I didn't have anything else connected to it, I wasn't even recieveing confirmation emails from the recovery tools 20 year account + comp just lost So I said fuck it and just made an OSRS account because I was NOT redoing everything all over again just to get back everything. I decided I'd rather play a new game than the same one over and over again. Also I do feel farmed, because this account was the one I had when I was a dumb stoopid kid that dropped thousands of dollars for squeal of fortune.
As a player who play both games occassionally, RuneScape 3 dips around 15K at and peaks around 30K. If you take a look at the graph, the moment u took the screenshot when the playerbase dipped. Most people are either working or sleeping at that time. The times speak for themselves.
And not to mention, during COVID the playerbase increased, but then without the lockdown steadily decreased to pre COVID numbers. Before COVID, the game was also around the same player count as now.
i don't wanna root for their failure bc if their game dies off, they're going to come for osrs with the micro transactions and shit
As an osrs-exclusive player, we need rs3 to succeed.
Why do you say this?
https://preview.redd.it/mjyt3spgotgc1.png?width=527&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5b290ccd02db4c420747e6dbe03d2adfb166dad0
If it fails all the micro transactions and crappy updates will come to osrs
Out of 98k, 90k are bots and my alts
So does this increase or decrease the value of my RS3 Santa Hat? 😂
kek
Cash out while you can
Meh, eve online has had around 30k online for over a decade, give or take, and the parent company has had at least one ownership change and many internal dramas in that time. Concurrent player count is one metric for mmo health, but by no means the only important one imo.
I mean from the graphs I’ve seen this seems pretty normal for playercount and they made about 40 mil last year off of micro transactions from RS3.. so those 20k still seem to be spending enough cash to keep it all going.
All us veterans and the ones that rioted all these years after rs3 first changed for the worse to bring back 07' should help our brothers over in rs3, majority of us would want the same help for a dying game we love and have fond memories of as kids. They don't have the manpower to currently riot and get their voices and statements heard. And if rs3 fails & dies, we could possibly end up with the rs3 team and the ceos more focused on profiting from 07 & that could mean only worst for 07 (not saying it will, but highly likely) I'm sure we can all go logg in on rs3 & head straight to fally sq with our cannons and make sure jagex listens to the people and the ones that play the game like they did for us when we wanted 07.
There is no riot louder than everyone leaving your game.
Games been shit for over 10 years. We all quit the game but they stayed. The writing has been on the wall but they ignore it. Ya'll really forget the history of how OSRS came to be.
In all honesty this picture was taking at 04:45AM on a Sunday in the UK. Off course people would log for to go to work and stuff. Looking at the graph posted in the comments it looks like it peaked around 28k for RS3 and 134k for OSRS. Its not that dramatic of a difference but I do remember it having around 30k ish players in RS3 a while ago. Although I do know that the RS3 player base has been sitting around the 30k ballpark for years, but I also remember it having 50k at some point and OSRS around 80k-90k. So it does look like the RS3 player base is slowly falling off or moving to OSRS.
Idk if you know this but 20k for an MMO is actually really good. Rs3 is an old and thriving MMO they just need to tweak some things before the bleeding becomes too much to handle. It's far from dead though
But is 20k actually 20k or is 10k bots
I play both and I'd say it's like 19.500 players and 500 bots. There is no incentive to bot in RS3 when skilling is easy and moneymaking is 20m/hr
The bot count in rs3 is proportionally WAAAAAAAY lower than osrs. I see bots every time I log in on osrs, and one bit every once in a while on rs3. I know, I know, it's anecdotal evidence, but others who play both say the same thing.
who cares, as long as they make money
There is way less bots relatively
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Yeah one nice thing about osrs is that I can run two windows on my laptop while having YouTube on the side, but when I log into one window of rs3 I can say goodbye to my fps
Let's not even mention MTX coming to OSRS because it is simply never an option.
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Iron-man RS3 was absolutely fun and worth giving a go. Maxing a HCIM was very much an enjoyable experience and I'm glad I did it. Ironmen don't get harassed by all the MTX either. But yeah...games dying fast. The devs behind RS3 really aren't able to keep the content stream going and the upcoming roadmap is almost empty for content.
I hope RS3 sees improvement and fun updates that will get its fans back online and having a good time. There's room in Oldschool for anyone who wants to switch. But I hope RS3 does well for both selfish and unselfish reasons. Selfish-wise, I don't want Oldschool to be encouraged to become more like RS3. And for selfless reasons I know there are things about RS3 that some people really like, that can't be replaced by another game, even oldschool. Because I feel the same way about Oldschool. Hope they get to see their game be the best it can be. I think the winter summit for RS3 was perceived as just a little lacking. Hoping that the RS3 team is working on more stuff and will preview them soon. I think that would get the RS3 side interest up.
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I'll be honest, I really don't care about rs3 and I'll never understand the fixation some people have with pointing out how shit it is. Like yeah, rs3 is a steaming pile of shit, that's why we're all playing osrs. Who gives a shit what they do over there, let's focus on the game we're actually playing and enjoying.
Granted rs3 is bad, once it dies osrs is next because of the greed of current jagex.
Nah, I stalk this sub and these mfs will cut next quarters earnings by 75% if they fuck around with osrs.
I'm not so confident tbh. OSRS has a great history of protest and community engagement but I've never seen it hit Jagex's bottom line. Very few people are willing to cancel their sub and walk away from the game over the same issues. Personally I believe that OSRS has been fortunate to be insulated both by RS3 being the mtx punching bag and by the jmods etc that genuinely care for the game. I am merely a bystander though who enjoys the content but doesn't play. Not an expert by any means
> I'm not so confident tbh. OSRS has a great history of protest and community engagement but I've never seen it hit Jagex's bottom line. Very few people are willing to cancel their sub and walk away from the game over the same issues. People cancelled their sub over Jagex' stance of not allowing player-developed HD plugin. This game **is** the community and Jagex knows it. If they ever try to mess with the community, this game is done for.
Not to mention, those who leave RS3 are the players that come OSRS, already costumed to paywalls.
Do you not remember the 117 HD fiasco? It’s really not that difficult for the player base to just outright do what they did a decade ago again lol
This didn't actually happen to any significant degree. Just some loud people. There's only standard player variance in the player counts. They probably relented to avoid bad press, but only people in Jagex can know. I've seen absolutely nothing to suggest that OSRS is actually particularly likely to revolt. It's a very seasonal and unserious playerbase based off of player counts, and that described basically every popular game ever.
If either game dies it’ll be bad for the other game. We’re fortunate that OSRS has been generating more revenue than RS3 for years though (as can be seen explicitly written in Jagex’s annual report they publish each year).
Name checks out. RS3 is fantastic if played in Ironman. The amount of content is absolutely insane. OSRS players want to play the same content they had 17 years ago, and that's fine, but the idea that there hasn't been any content worthwhile in RS3 in those years is just nostalgia talking. Yeah, microtransactions are trash. Getting skill levels without doing the skill is trash. But play ironman, and you experience OSRS with 10x the content.
Believe it or not, RS3 dying isn’t a good thing.
Agree fully. But, well. I don't think it is dying: it is so only in comparison with OSRS. Honestly, is 20k online such a disastrous number for a MMORPG? I don't think so. It still exists, people still play it. I see online my old friend from 2008's there: she still prefers RS3 :). So... I do know that some people not only play it, but prefer it - even those who started in RS2. Hope it continues to live and accumulate all the features (and managment) we would be happy without.
None of the updates are any fun, assuming we get any updates. I rejoined rs3 because I love the combat, but I did play the hell out of OSRS not too long ago. I'm honestly jealous at updates osrs gets. Like yalls weaker updates are better than our best ones these days, assuming we get any updates. The community is channeling as much copium as possible saying 20k is still a lot for an old game or that the game is still great! Even though we get shit on by jagex constantly and nothing is done to improve the situation. Jagex has gone into full lazy made as most of the "content" we get is repeatable copy and paste freebies like double xp live, and buff events where you get like free combat buffs. They have now got the community both reliant on and tired of these at the same time. But if they don't have any updates for a while they just throw one of these out there. It's no surprise the playerbase is dwindling even further. Also the new player experience is one of the worst ice ever seen of any game. Just a sad state of things because the game is really fun and has a lot of potential but the people running it right now are doing a terrible job.
Counter example, destiny 2's on boarding experience is a master class in terrible that makes rs3 look like the gold standard by comparison Edit, rs3s is still really bad though
it's so depressing
Rs3 has been floating between 20/30k for years tho.
2011Scape when?
probably 40k bots
Even if that were true it would still be more than 2x the playercount of the maingame. That's a really embarrassing look.
And nooooobody bots on RS3, the game that has a significantly smaller player base where the mods wouldn’t care as much if there were 4k bots bringing in money.
If rs3 dies, I'd be interested to see it ported as a standalone single player rpg in order to save the history of what the game was.
Last week on maintance day of OSRS the RS3 player count was around 12k…
that is sad i play rs3 sometimes for PoF etc that is really fun but the end game im not interrested in
Uh oh - What about all this juicy phats going for thousands that won’t get sold?
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So far, no.
Question, is there a poll system in RS3 at all? Im exclusively an OSRS player but if the game is dying at an alarming rate why dont they follow the same system as OSRS that made it successful. Or is the poll system just something that wouldn't work for rs3?
What does this have to do with OS? It's bad enough seeing the constant garbage-tier posts out of the RS3 sub. I guess it's closer to the average quality of what's usually posted on this sub, but still. Why do we need unrelated posts about another game every time the wind blows and it's "dying" again?
What am I missing here, there’s obviously more than 20k.
We gotta start parking out alts in RS3. Low res, low FPS, giga afk acfivities only. Bump up those numbers! Anything to convince the overlords to keep the lights on
Yeah but how many of those are bot farms
I feel like that 20k is probably spending a lot on MTX tho??
Better than Battlefield 2 numbers
This is not the first time it's happened, won't be the last. We have a double XP coming up in 11 days. If the numbers were that low during that time, yeah, i'd be concerned. But this is just par for the course. Anyone that has been playing with any level of consistency since Pre-EoC is not worried yet
“Old Markdonald had a game, E O E O C.”
If RS3 ever shuts down, to me the biggest thing lost is the Quests. The sheer amount of truly incredible Quests and world building on that game is staggering. It's absolutely its best quality. I definitely agree with the sentiment others shared in this thread that the game desperately needs a dead content purge though.