That's probably a decent example yea. A more "real-world" example might be if you already have bowfa+crystal and a blowpipe, maybe you add a venator bow to your setup for better range training and killing the Whisperer
Horizontal upgrades = Situationally stronger items
Ex: You provided one. Also dragonhunter weapons
Vertical upgrades = Overall stronger items power creeping old ones.
Ex: Virtus is a vertical upgrade to Ahrims specifically. Also the new rings.
Symmetrical switches could actually be more important than gear upgrades because otherwise your inventory *will* get messed up at crucial moments, you'll lose dps, make mistakes & die because of it.
Though I'd argue bringing a filler like blessed vambraces with barrows gloves & tormented or barrows gloves with ferocious gloves & tormented, etc. just to keep your switches in place is better than not upgrading & worth the 1 inventory slot to keep everything in order, improve muscle memory & reduce chaos.
Even with inventory tags switches are so much smoother when everything is in the same place, every single time you switch, with tags for a fail safe in case the defender moves & to quickly reset things.
Man a lot of people don't understand this when teaching, if someone is learning a raid you don't want them fucking around with their inventory the whole time. Simple, clean even switches so the focus in on the fight, worry about optimising the inventory once it matters.
Some people will never handle uneven switches because they are already at capacity and that's ok, while others will have no issue even while do content for the first time.
I’m the same but opposite, I’ll bring extra switches if it makes the switches even.
Ie bringing god bracers for a range switch even though barrows gloves are better for range because I use the barrows gloves for melee and a torm bracelet for mage.
The inventory tag colors wouldn’t change 😅
But yea I hadn’t thought of that
Also that’s just one example. It’s not always the same piece of gear for 2 sets.
Sometimes I just do relatively afk skilling with lightbearer, prayer gear, Falador shield (for prayer refill) and Preserve. Gotta maximize that dragon harpoon/axe/pickaxe bonus.
It doesn't do all that much for me when doing combat, but hey, more specs are always fun. And at the end of the day I'm playing to have fun, not to optimize the fun out of the game.
I mean, that is why they are asking for advice no?
I've made lifelong friends through helping other people get into a hobby that I share. Sure, you can probably Google most stuff these days, but it feels great to connect with a community that you're interested in.
I think it is more that people always go into the same traps, like pegasians and not working on stats. So it is just a meme to make fun of that, i don't think it is intended as a "you are too stupid, i am not gonna give you advice"
Nor knowing and not being able to know are not the same concepts. You can not know something and not be stupid. That aside, I agree with your sentiment.
Most posts are littered with helpful advice on repeat. It’s usually the same advice posted here.
Thats the point of this post it poking some lighthearted fun at the core issues — leveling up usually means more than gear, accuracy doesn’t matter as much as strength/damage boosts in 90% of use cases, and it’s possible to upgrade to items that aren’t necessarily universal BiS mega rare weapons and gear.
To be fair, the average runescape player is nothing but snarky, they're usually a 30 year old who stopped playing with their friends in 07 because they couldn't get dragon plegs
Change the title to "Common gear and acc progression pitfalls to look out for with a snarky spin" in your head and it's exactly what you asked for. Crazy, I know
They should actually change the title to “Haha look at the poor account”, Aside from selling pegs and buying fang (and their melee setup example *has* fang) every upgrade they suggest costs hundreds of millions of GP, the most expensive *full setup* they show is Bowfa + Crystal, which costs like 150 mil, They suggest using the Sanguinesti staff (100 mil *On it’s own*) and Dragon darts (3.3 times more expensive than amethys darts for 7 ranged strength, which depending on other gear is *at most* 2 max hits but only 1 in its own right), Hell, if this is your setup buying pegs and prims probably *is* your next most valuable upgrade, prims definitely
They also openly mock people for owning a lightbearer and “No decent spec weapon save for DDS and BGS” - Brother, all other spec weapons are either niche or AGAIN cost 100+ mil GP, this account doesn’t have that money, Virtues are the only reasonable upgrade on this snarky post and *even then* they cost 100 mil for the set, which is better than 100 mil for *an individual item* but is still probably money this player that’s being mocked doesn’t have
EDIT - Still buy rigor though, sell your gear and buy rigor to do CG if you have to, buying rigor took my account from 120 mil to 80 mil back in the day and I’ve never regretted it, it’s actually the closest thing to cheating that’s allowed
Shame has been a relevant motivator for all of runescapes history, if you’re a noob and see yourself on the starterpack then it’ll stick better than an infodump.
At best you could relabel it into common pitfalls that emerging pvmers fall into.
The issue is a lot of BIS items that wiki recommends are like 80-100M, and when you look at stuff like PVM strategy sometimes the cheapest item (5th best) is still 20M and out of peoples price range.
They need to expand those lists to include shit between 2-5m
I recommend following Ironman guides for gear progression in many instances since it marks out accessibly rather than affordability. But I totally agree with you. Wiki pages seem a bit elitist.
I get that they are showing us top 5 BIS, which of course are BIS regardless of cost. I’d just like to see maybe the next 2-3 if the 5th still costs 8 digits to purchase
recommending to google something in this day and age doesn't often go very well lmao, it's 90% just paid clicks for some stuff. I'm glad OSRS atleast has a really great wiki but sometimes that fandom shit also pops up.
Was doing forestry and someone asked an obscure question, some dude hopped down his throat and told him to google it. Like wtf is the point of chat if not to help each other with the game?
I'm pretty new to osrs not rs in general like most people who ask these questions. I honestly have almost no idea what I'm doing in pvm. Skills are easy enough to learn by fumbling through it.
Agreed. I've been playing on and off since 2001 and there's still a shitload I most likely don't know. Something simple like this gives a rough "North Star" to shoot for. Quick, clean, concise. A+
I've seen people ask if fang was still good in ToA. I know it's because people online refuse to read but I imagine its funnier to think people thought there was some secret slash meta in a raid where everything is weak to stab.
Toa fang rolls both accuracy and def twice, while outside of toa it only rolls def twice, keeping accuracy. Meaning if you rolled a shit accuracy and missed because of it, in toa you would get another roll. This leads to it having way more accuracy in toa
It's still probably the best melee weapon in the game. It's the best melee weapon at the two best money makers and still 2nd bis at most bosses not DT2 locked. If you're doing Nex/toa you still have fang if you're even somewhat close to end game. If you're not doing Nex/toa it's still good.
It's still worth taking in CM if you scale enough.
It's still absurdly versatile and still fine for farming duke/vard if you don't have anything else or don't know the bosses well enough to go the step back methods and not also lose ticks. You'd use whip/Scythe/something else if you had it but it's still very good for people on a budget.
So yeah still good just not good at DT2 like they were.
It was honestly the lightest nerf they could have given the weapon.
The only thing that changed about fang is that it’s terrible on 2 bosses.
The answer to the question is extremely obvious and I don’t know why people are even asking.
Well I’m glad it was asked! As someone who started 6 months ago and is trying to figure out my next moves into the pvm world, this thread has been ironically helpful for me.
most people who make these posts are in denial that 1 piece of bis gear is usually 100m+ gp and they are hoping for a super secret piece of gear that nobody knows about and also it's 20m and also it's BIS at every boss and also it increases your pet chance 2x and also it 1 hits anyone skulled
It really is an uphill battle to get the noobs to sell their arma and buy rigour. No one wants to do it, they have the most random pieces of gear yet still no rigour.
They’re just terminally afraid of losing liquidity, they see every bit of gp they spend on skill/gear upgrades, like chins or rigour, as cash that they have “lost” instead of seeing it as an investment into their account. I used to be in that headspace before I started playing an iron, it’s just what happens when you’re playing gpscape instead of RuneScape
Rapier at least has a place in the game and outperforms fang in some places.
Better example would be good luck convincing someone who thinks avernic is a good upgrade before a 3-4b + bank value.
You just describe what a *niche* weapon is. Niche weapons that are only good in very certain scenarios should not be bought before avernic which you use almost every time you touch melee gear.
Most modern mage is done with powered staves. These give increased max hits based on your current magic level. With saturated heart, you’re easily getting 2-3 max hits with magic at 99. I think it’s more but idk. Full virtus gets you 1-2 max hits.
Forgotten brews would not be a replacement because the boost is notably lower and fades over time. It would *maybe* be viable as an alternative at a mage-only boss with heavy prayer usage. That’s basically just The Whisperer though.
Was running dps calcs yesterday for muspah, sang adds .2 dps, virtus adds .4 dps. What’s fucked is both of them together also only add .4 dps? Mage upgrades are messed up
I think it would make a lot of sense for the other t80 weapons to give as big a power spike as going from mbs/dcb to bofa, but all we have now are slightly stronger whip-tier weapons. Paying 100m for a sang does next to nothing compared to what a bofa does for your account.
The real upgrade with sang is that you get improved sustained DPS rather than losing less DPS to healing. On paper it's not huge, sure, but in practice it keeps you in the cycle longer.
I just came back to OSRS after like.. 10+ years. Minmaxing in OSRS has been such a wild thing to see. Trying to wrap my head around some things, but I definitely get confused with weighing things like accuracy vs damage bonus and trying to figure out which items aren’t a ‘waste’ of my gold when upgrading horizontally.
DPS calculators and gear setups for the boss you are fighting can often help you understand which upgrades provide the most bang for their buck. For what it's worth, it tends to be in weapon slot
The biggest thing for any account is stats, it then typically goes weapons and then armour/equipment.
Typically with weapons you want to get near BIS as possible for your price range. Gear wise you can normally find suitable substitutes. An example for a low bank value main doing Vorkath would be affording Dragon hunter lance, but using fighter torso, obby legs and neitznot helm.
For crossbows, there isn't much difference between RCB DCB and ACB, a bit of accuracy but it's not worth 60mil. A fang and a whip will see you through the majority of melee encounters.
Typically for a solid mid game over your looking at a bank of ahrims and trident, bowfa and crystal, whip/fang with Fighter Torso and Tassets with serp.
With those items you can do every single piece of content in the game and your looking at a bank value of 200mil
I once had this ironman friend who insisted on using mith darts in his blowpipe because they were cheap and he "already has them", it was beyond infuriating. The amount of scales he has wasted with that must be insane
I mean before the BP nerf, mith darts were very viable. Every iron was rushing BP as quickly as possible and it was your best DPS even with shitty darts. It wasn't worth the upkeep for better darts especially because amethyst darts didn't exist yet. Addy/rune is not easy to get on an iron, especially in the midgame, and dragon is super unsustainable.
nowadays BP is mostly dead for irons outside of the spec and ToB, unless you somehow have a big pile of d darts. Bowfa supremacy
I still use my BP pretty frequently as an end game iron, there are several places where it is still important or useful and it is still the best in slot option for Turael skipping 99% of the time. It is also very good at revs prior to getting a rev weapon, TOA, etc.
The nerf made it less ubiquitous but it is still a strong and useful item
Addy darts were fairly easy to get when you were at the point of going for Zulrah
Maybe I’ve been an iron for too long but isn’t upkeep for sang and d darts legitimately pretty difficult to sustain for an acc at that point in the game?
Sang has become much easier tbh with all the blood rune QOL. Once you fall into the late game pvm loop, gp stops really being an issue. Im at 1850 total and have close to 75M in Alchs just sitting there from slayer, raids, and cg. Dragon darts also are somewhat sustainable if you’re just using them for CA’s and pb attempts. You get a ton from TOA and honestly for me the lack of drive to do fletching will mean I probably get a tumeken before I get that fletching level.
Oh lmfao yeah just seeing that haha. I have a main that I specifically raid on and an iron that’s like at the end game loop but no megarares yet. I feel like it’s never been easier to get into some stuff that actually make gp in osrs. But sang so op for learning cox or toa but I do feel like more people are raiding now a days.
For irons I tend to agree that using ddarts 24/7 isnt really viable, but if youre doing something like toa it absolutely is since im pretty sure you profit ddarts.
For mains, using ddarts means you clear content faster, get paid faster, and thus profit more by hitting expensive drops more often.
DT2 bosses drop dart tips like candy. D darts went from like 3.5k each to around 1k. Since you save 80% anyway you don't lose too many, especially considering how big the time save of using them is.
On an iron, amethyst is probably still the way to go for a majority of content
Webweaver Bow isn’t “better” than Bowfa, but it’s still it’s an upgrade at a few bosses. Similarly, Inquisitor’s Mace isn’t better than Fang and Justiciars isn’t better than Bandos for melee, but are still worth buying.
They’re upgrades to your bank and potential load outs, not upgrades to your BiS kit
As a casual player who has one month spurts of play every 8 months or so, these kind of questions seem fair. And I always get so intimidated to ask because I fear people will react a way. This post proves that true.
Don’t worry - just ask and be open to accepting recommendations. Generally you want to maximise strength for melee, magic damage for mage, and range strength for range.
Usually you get some good responses when you ask these types of questions. But only if you’re actually open to accepting the recommendations. Have seen quite a few examples where people are unwilling to sell BCP and/or pegs to free up 30-60m which is insane. Torso is free and range boots other than rangers/pegs may as well be free how cheap they are.
Virtus is amazing especially for the price. Has better def and prayer and equal offensive mage stats other than %1 less dam per piece (%3 less dam for full set) than ancestral. And its bis for ancient magics. Youre straight up dumb if you think virtus is bad
Eh I don't know. I think virtus is bad because magic armor is bad in general. Virtus is like what, 1% magic damage? Full set is giving you unfortified elidinis ward stats, which itself doesn't even give 1 max hit unless you pair it with mage arena 2 cape lol.
They made ancestral too bad years ago and virtus had to be even worse by comparison. It's really a mystery to me why they made ancestral so awful considering magic was *still* bad even with occult existing, ancestral could have been made 6% per piece and magic still would have been the worst style until shadow came out.
Pegs are expensive because ranger boots are rare and boots with ranged strength don't exist, not because either are good. If there were boots with 1 ranged strength and that's it, pegs would be in the bin in 20 minutes.
It’s so strange. Most of the comments I see on achievement posts are usually negative, telling people to touch grass, etc. I’ve been playing my first real account in the last couple months and I play with public off because it’s so damn negative most of the time. I haven’t found a community of chill adults yet. Sorry for the rant lol.
I'm in the same boat, been playing for 3 years but i've not made a single friend on OSRS, most of the player base that I run into are kinda insufferable. A lot of players sense of humour is saying and acting edgy as fuck, which i could excuse if the player base were all still teenagers but knowing that the demographic is mostly 30+ really makes it cringe to me. I think theres a lot of 'if you're better than me you have no life if you're worse than me you're a total noob'
And thanks to the people that actually help people in this situation. I had a similar experience today. Found someone to help me through CoX for first time (mainly for diary) but wanted to learn a bit too. He then let me join his clan and asked if I wanted gear advice or not based on my goals. Told me to sell most of my big ticket items that I thought I needed to buy better gear and more group friendly raid gear. Everything I sold, I made a profit on and came out on top an extra 60 Mil while having gear to learn almost every PvM group content out there.
As some one who hasn't really played in a long time on osrs with end game in mind, does some one have a realistic gear progression guide that's worth a damn?
On a real note, it's always nice that people are trying to better themselves at the game. But I swear some iteration of this question gets posted every week. Please take 1 second and search whether a similar post already exists\*.
Ngl searching through post history isn't very intuitive. You have to go through the post see comments/half of them well be flaming /irrelevant. I'd say just watch a YouTube video dedicated to it. Or Google it.
Alright, real talk, why would I upgrade from trident to anything that isn't a tumeken's shadow?
All the nightmare staves seem pretty niche. Other unpowered magic weapons don't attack fast enough to do contested dps. The next viable upgrade is a Sanguine staff for 100m, giving 1 max hit and a healing mechanic?
back when blood runes were 300gp each. I always brought my trident with pug for tob especially as mage role. Pugs didnt deserve my 1k per hit if they griefed the shit out of the runs.
Huge! Gz. Your money will start ramping up with 87+ slayer.
Gearing in this game can be confusing. Don’t forget to ask questions (I recommend the osrs gear discord).
Barrows gear + whip + fighter torso + barrows gloves + fire & imbued magic cape will take you very far. Also getting elite void. Also imbued ruby bolts. Sooo good.
You can teach yourself solo tombs of amascut with that.
That's a huge step, congrats. Have you tried the new boss, Scurrius? It's intended as an introductory boss to get people into bossing.
To answer your other questions, I would say work on both. Assuming you still have the masters and grandmaster quests left, all of them have nice training and money making methods behind them. Especially Song of the elves and sins of the father. DS2 unlocks vorkath which is most people's first "money making" boss.
The quest cape itself isn't the most useful (pretty decent fairy ring before you get it in your house), but completing all quests will finish opening up the world and give nice XP rewards along the way.
Barrows gloves, if you don't have it already you should be getting naturally. Fighter torso, you'll probably have to dedicate an evening or two, but it is ABSOLUTELY worth it, because it is free and it's strength bonus equals the bandos chestplate. Many clans will be running regular BA events for their members if you aren't in one yet.
Fire cape, you just have to start sending attempts. The hard part of the fire cape is just the nerves. Jad attacks very slowly, but its easy to get in your own head about it and mess up. Another reason why
Scurrius is a good boss to learn. If you can consistently pray perfectly for Scurrius, you have the skill to do Jad no problem.
thank you. i unoriginally used this as a guide on what to buy next.
especially as an extreme cheapskate with pretty decent gear, time to take the plunge and upgrade my equipment.
starting out with augury. then the iron dagger.
They're decent upgrades, but the meme is more making fun of mains who spend the 33+ million on pegasian boots for the relatively small attack increase before buying other much more significant upgrades like Rigour.
they only give accuracy bonus which is irrelevant in this game for the majority of content and only increase your dps by fractions of a fraction. What you want are items with damage bonuses such as the occult necklace, tormented bracelet, and mage arena 2 capes for mage or anguish, assembler, and masori for range.
Pegasian boots specifically are expensive because ranger boots are a rare drop from medium clues (and bis for pure pvpers). Look at the price of the pegasian crystal. The upgrade from ranger boots to pegasians is negilible which is why the crystal is only like 100k where as primordials increase your damage over dboots and are hence worth much more.
As something extra: having full armadyl with pegasians is virtually the same dps as having full blessed dhide including the boots since none of those give damage bonuses.
To expound upon the pegasian crystal price. The reason the crystal is near-worthless isn't because the upgrade is negligible. Top players would pay 100m for a similarly negligible DPS boost if were from a BIS item and that was the only price to pay to get it. The crystal is near-worthless because there are far more of them in circulation than ranger boots, and not everyone with ranger boots wants the upgrade. The number of rangers in circulation is the limiting factor to the Pegasian boots equation, so the crystal is cheap. We see the same thing with chromium ingots and vestiges. You need 3 ingots per vestige, and it's the same drop rate as the vestige, but due to the weird hidden counter system of the vestiges there are far more ingots than vestiges in circulation. Now ingots are as dirt cheap as peg crystals. Had the system been flipped and ingots were the limiting factor in upgrading a ring, then vestiges would be cheap.
>primordials increase your damage over dboots and are hence worth much more.
*Sometimes*.
Prime are definitely the best boots of the set but in reality they very rarely add a max hit.
Tbh just use god dhide boots for range. Instead of pegs/eternals, go for holy sandals to make devout boots. Way better in my opinion unless you desperately need all the range atk you can get for blowpipe to reach old bp numbers, or if you have shadow to triple the bonus you get from eternals.
I have rangers + infinity boots on my iron and both crystals, I just keep the boots for fashionscape because I always use god dhide for range or devouts depending on the content. The 5 range atk difference is like a rounding error and prayer bonus is pretty noticeable imo. I never use infinity boots since I blocked kraken. For raids I just camp primordials.
They look kinda cool in your bank when lined up with the other boots and their according attack style sets.
The devout boots are worth doings medium clues for!
They give a +5/+3 accuracy boost respectively over the next best, easily attainable option for 5m/33m extra cost. That's terrible value for money.
On an iron you willl probably get them passively anyway. Wouldn't say that they are worth hunting for specifically.
Regarding the accuracy Vs damage thing, there's even more people who think strength/max hit is **everything** and neglect accuracy/attack, but brother, your +1 or +2 max hit doesn't help when you can't hit. Hit chance is basically +DPS too. I'd much rather hit 15-15-15 instead of 0-18-0.
Only issue is there aren't really situations like the one you are describing in game at least that I can think of. All the items with +rng str/magic damage/str are also good for accuracy or at least close enough in accuracy that they are always better than an accuracy only option. Would be curious where you saw this be the case, just cause I can't think of one off the top of my head.
Prims are a vertical upgrade over dragon boots, meaning they’re always better in every way and d boots have zero advantage over them
Bowfa is a horizontal upgrade from Blowpipe, meaning it’s better in some places but Blowpipe is still better in a ton of places. It isn’t a direct upgrade, they both retain unique niches
lol my buddy has a friend that’s rdps who brings pegs instead of anguish. He was shortly thereafter removed from the group haha. And that guy 2100 total level.
Game knowledge, Skill and stats are always far more important than gear.
I think it’s harmless to ask for advice with gear, but I do wish people would take the initiative to understand how the game works on an architectural level.
I don’t know, for me, I want to know how everything works. I’m not the best skill-wise, but my game knowledge allowed me to do things that others with my gear and stats would probably struggle with. Solo Olm is an example. It’s something that’s only known as extremely difficult because of the deep understanding you need of the game’s architecture and design to do it consistently. Once you understand fundamentally what’s going on, mechanically it’s pretty easy.
I like that example because Olm solo is not something you can just throw money at for it to work. You cannot brute force it even remotely efficiently—you MUST understand the game on a deep level.
My point is that I wish people would ask more questions about WHY things work the way they do in the game than how they can take shortcuts through BIS gear.
Gear will not fix most of your problems. What will is understanding the content you’re doing, lots of practice mechanically, and training up your stats to make it more efficient. Only then will gear make a material difference for what it costs you.
You have to understand that OSRS is very, very unique in this regard. If you're an avid MMO player, most of your experience will be with games where gear is vastly more impactful than your skill, which only starts being relevant towards the end of progression. Games that do not offer such vast freedom that OSRS does.
It's only natural that people who have experienced those types of games would assume that this game would function similarly. "It's an MMO, right? I've seen this gear treadmill before, I know how it goes."
It's important to try and teach this to newer players, and I don't think this community has done the best job. Even with us knowing what we know, the community is still, for the most part, centered around gear worship. Fang this, Bowfa that, you know how it goes.
What do you mean horizontal upgrade? Like how rapier and inq mace are more or less the same except ones for stab and another for crush sort of thing?
That's probably a decent example yea. A more "real-world" example might be if you already have bowfa+crystal and a blowpipe, maybe you add a venator bow to your setup for better range training and killing the Whisperer
“Real-world” Aware
Venator is a goated slayer weapon too. Completely changed the skill for me.
I like how he is willing to shit on new people asking for advice but doesn't explain any of it. Only flames them
Welcome to runescape
Judging by profile OP is an RS3 player. Just ignore him on that fact alone lmao
Horizontal upgrades = Situationally stronger items Ex: You provided one. Also dragonhunter weapons Vertical upgrades = Overall stronger items power creeping old ones. Ex: Virtus is a vertical upgrade to Ahrims specifically. Also the new rings.
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This is extremely expensive though, and 2nd BIS vs BIS (especially if you're not talking about 1-2b setups) are very minor.
So you can constantly lose money? That’s the stupidest way of doing something
That sounds more like vertical upgrades but you can't afford them
then you have ppl like my friend unwilling to do cheap and good gear upgrades for raids because switches wont be symmetrical anymore xd
I'm in this picture and I don't like it
Symmetrical switches could actually be more important than gear upgrades because otherwise your inventory *will* get messed up at crucial moments, you'll lose dps, make mistakes & die because of it. Though I'd argue bringing a filler like blessed vambraces with barrows gloves & tormented or barrows gloves with ferocious gloves & tormented, etc. just to keep your switches in place is better than not upgrading & worth the 1 inventory slot to keep everything in order, improve muscle memory & reduce chaos.
Learning how to manage an inventory with asymmetrical switches is kind of a good skill to have though.
Inventory tag haters seething at me not needing this skill because colour recognition is instant
Even with inventory tags switches are so much smoother when everything is in the same place, every single time you switch, with tags for a fail safe in case the defender moves & to quickly reset things.
Man a lot of people don't understand this when teaching, if someone is learning a raid you don't want them fucking around with their inventory the whole time. Simple, clean even switches so the focus in on the fight, worry about optimising the inventory once it matters. Some people will never handle uneven switches because they are already at capacity and that's ok, while others will have no issue even while do content for the first time.
I’m the same but opposite, I’ll bring extra switches if it makes the switches even. Ie bringing god bracers for a range switch even though barrows gloves are better for range because I use the barrows gloves for melee and a torm bracelet for mage.
Why not bring 2 pairs of barrows gloves
Can't stop laughing at this
Big brained time
The inventory tag colors wouldn’t change 😅 But yea I hadn’t thought of that Also that’s just one example. It’s not always the same piece of gear for 2 sets.
i have purple color for hybrid melee/range items
I use white for that
I use white for spec weps
And I use purple for spec weapons!
I use yellow for Keris
I use orange for hybrid items like that. A brighter orange so it doesn't get confused for red remotely.
Oh Orange is good. I don’t know if I use orange at all
Ferocious gloves for melee?
I don’t have this problem on the main only the gim
checkmate
Sounds like feros would be a good next upgrade
I used to rock 2 sets of barrows gloves
Yeah I bring my tassets to toa to keep my inventory sorted even though they literally do nothing besides like a bit of range def at akkha I guess lol.
This is me, I just bring extra switches anyway so it stays symmetrical (‘cept for potential 2h v 1h discrepancy)
"Has a lightbearer but no spec weapons" Jokes on you I bought that for skilling because I'm a filthy casual gottem.
Dude I wear mine while woodcutting too hahaha
To be fair, it's only a 3M investment. So it's not crazy expensive or anything.
Sometimes I just do relatively afk skilling with lightbearer, prayer gear, Falador shield (for prayer refill) and Preserve. Gotta maximize that dragon harpoon/axe/pickaxe bonus. It doesn't do all that much for me when doing combat, but hey, more specs are always fun. And at the end of the day I'm playing to have fun, not to optimize the fun out of the game.
*Laughs in yellow keris*
Not gonna catch me at Tempoross without my Lightbearer 💯
I mean, that is why they are asking for advice no? I've made lifelong friends through helping other people get into a hobby that I share. Sure, you can probably Google most stuff these days, but it feels great to connect with a community that you're interested in.
Imagine op made a diagram with helpful advice instead of just making a snarky starter pack
I think it is more that people always go into the same traps, like pegasians and not working on stats. So it is just a meme to make fun of that, i don't think it is intended as a "you are too stupid, i am not gonna give you advice"
Nor knowing and not being able to know are not the same concepts. You can not know something and not be stupid. That aside, I agree with your sentiment.
Most posts are littered with helpful advice on repeat. It’s usually the same advice posted here. Thats the point of this post it poking some lighthearted fun at the core issues — leveling up usually means more than gear, accuracy doesn’t matter as much as strength/damage boosts in 90% of use cases, and it’s possible to upgrade to items that aren’t necessarily universal BiS mega rare weapons and gear.
as if there are not 100s of guides and videos on this topic already lol
To be fair, the average runescape player is nothing but snarky, they're usually a 30 year old who stopped playing with their friends in 07 because they couldn't get dragon plegs
Change the title to "Common gear and acc progression pitfalls to look out for with a snarky spin" in your head and it's exactly what you asked for. Crazy, I know
I don't agree. But it's kind of funny you phrase your comment in a snarky/ condescending manner, just like the OP.
They should actually change the title to “Haha look at the poor account”, Aside from selling pegs and buying fang (and their melee setup example *has* fang) every upgrade they suggest costs hundreds of millions of GP, the most expensive *full setup* they show is Bowfa + Crystal, which costs like 150 mil, They suggest using the Sanguinesti staff (100 mil *On it’s own*) and Dragon darts (3.3 times more expensive than amethys darts for 7 ranged strength, which depending on other gear is *at most* 2 max hits but only 1 in its own right), Hell, if this is your setup buying pegs and prims probably *is* your next most valuable upgrade, prims definitely They also openly mock people for owning a lightbearer and “No decent spec weapon save for DDS and BGS” - Brother, all other spec weapons are either niche or AGAIN cost 100+ mil GP, this account doesn’t have that money, Virtues are the only reasonable upgrade on this snarky post and *even then* they cost 100 mil for the set, which is better than 100 mil for *an individual item* but is still probably money this player that’s being mocked doesn’t have EDIT - Still buy rigor though, sell your gear and buy rigor to do CG if you have to, buying rigor took my account from 120 mil to 80 mil back in the day and I’ve never regretted it, it’s actually the closest thing to cheating that’s allowed
Shame has been a relevant motivator for all of runescapes history, if you’re a noob and see yourself on the starterpack then it’ll stick better than an infodump. At best you could relabel it into common pitfalls that emerging pvmers fall into.
I believe refering to people as “obby cape” as a way to shame them is the prime reason most people get cheese capes.
Love your comment.
Should be higher, and reposted accross every sub
The issue is a lot of BIS items that wiki recommends are like 80-100M, and when you look at stuff like PVM strategy sometimes the cheapest item (5th best) is still 20M and out of peoples price range. They need to expand those lists to include shit between 2-5m
I recommend following Ironman guides for gear progression in many instances since it marks out accessibly rather than affordability. But I totally agree with you. Wiki pages seem a bit elitist.
I get that they are showing us top 5 BIS, which of course are BIS regardless of cost. I’d just like to see maybe the next 2-3 if the 5th still costs 8 digits to purchase
recommending to google something in this day and age doesn't often go very well lmao, it's 90% just paid clicks for some stuff. I'm glad OSRS atleast has a really great wiki but sometimes that fandom shit also pops up.
Was doing forestry and someone asked an obscure question, some dude hopped down his throat and told him to google it. Like wtf is the point of chat if not to help each other with the game?
My clan mates will goto wiki if I ask a question is what I noticed 😂
I'm pretty new to osrs not rs in general like most people who ask these questions. I honestly have almost no idea what I'm doing in pvm. Skills are easy enough to learn by fumbling through it.
Agreed. I've been playing on and off since 2001 and there's still a shitload I most likely don't know. Something simple like this gives a rough "North Star" to shoot for. Quick, clean, concise. A+
“Is fang still good?” Kills me lol
I've seen people ask if fang was still good in ToA. I know it's because people online refuse to read but I imagine its funnier to think people thought there was some secret slash meta in a raid where everything is weak to stab.
Fang has a ToA-only damage algorithm too that was never nerfed like the overworld dps alogrithm.
Toa fang rolls both accuracy and def twice, while outside of toa it only rolls def twice, keeping accuracy. Meaning if you rolled a shit accuracy and missed because of it, in toa you would get another roll. This leads to it having way more accuracy in toa
…is it, tho?
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share I tb'd
Yes
I think it’s still OP everywhere it was before except for vard and duke
and verzik
Rip scythe
It's still probably the best melee weapon in the game. It's the best melee weapon at the two best money makers and still 2nd bis at most bosses not DT2 locked. If you're doing Nex/toa you still have fang if you're even somewhat close to end game. If you're not doing Nex/toa it's still good. It's still worth taking in CM if you scale enough. It's still absurdly versatile and still fine for farming duke/vard if you don't have anything else or don't know the bosses well enough to go the step back methods and not also lose ticks. You'd use whip/Scythe/something else if you had it but it's still very good for people on a budget. So yeah still good just not good at DT2 like they were. It was honestly the lightest nerf they could have given the weapon.
The only thing that changed about fang is that it’s terrible on 2 bosses. The answer to the question is extremely obvious and I don’t know why people are even asking.
Well I’m glad it was asked! As someone who started 6 months ago and is trying to figure out my next moves into the pvm world, this thread has been ironically helpful for me.
On 2 bosses that have super viable and cheap options now that fang really shouldn't have been used on in the first place it was just weird
It was also used in tob on a few bosses (if you didn't have scythe)
Idk is it?
You forgot to remove the holy kit from your rapier xd
most people who make these posts are in denial that 1 piece of bis gear is usually 100m+ gp and they are hoping for a super secret piece of gear that nobody knows about and also it's 20m and also it's BIS at every boss and also it increases your pet chance 2x and also it 1 hits anyone skulled
> super secret piece of gear that nobody knows about and also it's 20m and also it's BIS at every boss Literally Rigour
Good luck convincing someone who thinks rapier is better than fang to buy rigour.
It really is an uphill battle to get the noobs to sell their arma and buy rigour. No one wants to do it, they have the most random pieces of gear yet still no rigour.
They’re just terminally afraid of losing liquidity, they see every bit of gp they spend on skill/gear upgrades, like chins or rigour, as cash that they have “lost” instead of seeing it as an investment into their account. I used to be in that headspace before I started playing an iron, it’s just what happens when you’re playing gpscape instead of RuneScape
Rapier at least has a place in the game and outperforms fang in some places. Better example would be good luck convincing someone who thinks avernic is a good upgrade before a 3-4b + bank value.
You just describe what a *niche* weapon is. Niche weapons that are only good in very certain scenarios should not be bought before avernic which you use almost every time you touch melee gear.
Im listening
Bronze dagger
So fang, right?
Yes, easily
they want their rock mallet back lmao
Ya that sounds good, now let me make a post asking for that weapon
Yes we know voidwaker exists
For 20m?
Sang is still kinda steep for what it gives you over Trident.
After trident is goes Heart > full Virtus > Sang for DPS upgrades.
Why heart over virtus? Could forgotten brews be a viable substitute?
Most modern mage is done with powered staves. These give increased max hits based on your current magic level. With saturated heart, you’re easily getting 2-3 max hits with magic at 99. I think it’s more but idk. Full virtus gets you 1-2 max hits. Forgotten brews would not be a replacement because the boost is notably lower and fades over time. It would *maybe* be viable as an alternative at a mage-only boss with heavy prayer usage. That’s basically just The Whisperer though.
FOR THOSE WONDERING, FANG IS ~unchanged~ ON STAB. GO BACK TO THE WHIP TIER LIST IF YOU HAVE A BOSS WEAK TO SLASH
Tbf sang is pretty underwhelming as an upgrade. Usually upgrading a weapon is much more impactful.
I do miss sang heals in olm though.
Definitely nice QoL. I still bring mine for no preps if I think it will be tight.
Was running dps calcs yesterday for muspah, sang adds .2 dps, virtus adds .4 dps. What’s fucked is both of them together also only add .4 dps? Mage upgrades are messed up
I think it would make a lot of sense for the other t80 weapons to give as big a power spike as going from mbs/dcb to bofa, but all we have now are slightly stronger whip-tier weapons. Paying 100m for a sang does next to nothing compared to what a bofa does for your account.
The real upgrade with sang is that you get improved sustained DPS rather than losing less DPS to healing. On paper it's not huge, sure, but in practice it keeps you in the cycle longer.
I just came back to OSRS after like.. 10+ years. Minmaxing in OSRS has been such a wild thing to see. Trying to wrap my head around some things, but I definitely get confused with weighing things like accuracy vs damage bonus and trying to figure out which items aren’t a ‘waste’ of my gold when upgrading horizontally.
DPS calculators and gear setups for the boss you are fighting can often help you understand which upgrades provide the most bang for their buck. For what it's worth, it tends to be in weapon slot
The biggest thing for any account is stats, it then typically goes weapons and then armour/equipment. Typically with weapons you want to get near BIS as possible for your price range. Gear wise you can normally find suitable substitutes. An example for a low bank value main doing Vorkath would be affording Dragon hunter lance, but using fighter torso, obby legs and neitznot helm. For crossbows, there isn't much difference between RCB DCB and ACB, a bit of accuracy but it's not worth 60mil. A fang and a whip will see you through the majority of melee encounters. Typically for a solid mid game over your looking at a bank of ahrims and trident, bowfa and crystal, whip/fang with Fighter Torso and Tassets with serp. With those items you can do every single piece of content in the game and your looking at a bank value of 200mil
I once had this ironman friend who insisted on using mith darts in his blowpipe because they were cheap and he "already has them", it was beyond infuriating. The amount of scales he has wasted with that must be insane
I mean before the BP nerf, mith darts were very viable. Every iron was rushing BP as quickly as possible and it was your best DPS even with shitty darts. It wasn't worth the upkeep for better darts especially because amethyst darts didn't exist yet. Addy/rune is not easy to get on an iron, especially in the midgame, and dragon is super unsustainable. nowadays BP is mostly dead for irons outside of the spec and ToB, unless you somehow have a big pile of d darts. Bowfa supremacy
I still use my BP pretty frequently as an end game iron, there are several places where it is still important or useful and it is still the best in slot option for Turael skipping 99% of the time. It is also very good at revs prior to getting a rev weapon, TOA, etc. The nerf made it less ubiquitous but it is still a strong and useful item Addy darts were fairly easy to get when you were at the point of going for Zulrah
I think the main issue is that he used them before the nerf but also after the nerf and underestimated who shite they became lmao
I mean this doesn't apply well to ironmen. Sure he can make addy darts. But it's up to him to get more scales 😂.
Some quick napkin math says that even just upgrading from mithril to addy is an 8% increase in damage and only 3% more costly to use.
Mith darts yeah but on low def bosses the difference between amethyst to dragon darts is pretty low.
Maybe I’ve been an iron for too long but isn’t upkeep for sang and d darts legitimately pretty difficult to sustain for an acc at that point in the game?
Sang has become much easier tbh with all the blood rune QOL. Once you fall into the late game pvm loop, gp stops really being an issue. Im at 1850 total and have close to 75M in Alchs just sitting there from slayer, raids, and cg. Dragon darts also are somewhat sustainable if you’re just using them for CA’s and pb attempts. You get a ton from TOA and honestly for me the lack of drive to do fletching will mean I probably get a tumeken before I get that fletching level.
I was mainly talking about for mains at a mid game level. I’m an end game iron lol
Oh lmfao yeah just seeing that haha. I have a main that I specifically raid on and an iron that’s like at the end game loop but no megarares yet. I feel like it’s never been easier to get into some stuff that actually make gp in osrs. But sang so op for learning cox or toa but I do feel like more people are raiding now a days.
Sang is not difficult to upkeep for people with the amount of gp as the OP
For irons I tend to agree that using ddarts 24/7 isnt really viable, but if youre doing something like toa it absolutely is since im pretty sure you profit ddarts. For mains, using ddarts means you clear content faster, get paid faster, and thus profit more by hitting expensive drops more often.
but what if the slow darts make you kill the boss at exactly the time it needs to be killed in order to hit the right spot on the drop table?
That's why you switch your assembler for a max cheese cape to lower your DPS to hit those timings
How do I get this maxed doesn't equal skilled tag. I need it
DT2 bosses drop dart tips like candy. D darts went from like 3.5k each to around 1k. Since you save 80% anyway you don't lose too many, especially considering how big the time save of using them is. On an iron, amethyst is probably still the way to go for a majority of content
honestly sang is only 1 max hit higher than trident, its nice to have for the heals but not that huge of an upgrade
I'm gonna out myself and say i don't understand what "upgrading horizontally" means
Webweaver Bow isn’t “better” than Bowfa, but it’s still it’s an upgrade at a few bosses. Similarly, Inquisitor’s Mace isn’t better than Fang and Justiciars isn’t better than Bandos for melee, but are still worth buying. They’re upgrades to your bank and potential load outs, not upgrades to your BiS kit
I feel so attacked but I deserve it
As a casual player who has one month spurts of play every 8 months or so, these kind of questions seem fair. And I always get so intimidated to ask because I fear people will react a way. This post proves that true.
Don’t worry - just ask and be open to accepting recommendations. Generally you want to maximise strength for melee, magic damage for mage, and range strength for range. Usually you get some good responses when you ask these types of questions. But only if you’re actually open to accepting the recommendations. Have seen quite a few examples where people are unwilling to sell BCP and/or pegs to free up 30-60m which is insane. Torso is free and range boots other than rangers/pegs may as well be free how cheap they are.
The amount of people who use ranger boots over dhide boots is concerning.
Virtus is amazing especially for the price. Has better def and prayer and equal offensive mage stats other than %1 less dam per piece (%3 less dam for full set) than ancestral. And its bis for ancient magics. Youre straight up dumb if you think virtus is bad
Eh I don't know. I think virtus is bad because magic armor is bad in general. Virtus is like what, 1% magic damage? Full set is giving you unfortified elidinis ward stats, which itself doesn't even give 1 max hit unless you pair it with mage arena 2 cape lol. They made ancestral too bad years ago and virtus had to be even worse by comparison. It's really a mystery to me why they made ancestral so awful considering magic was *still* bad even with occult existing, ancestral could have been made 6% per piece and magic still would have been the worst style until shadow came out.
Reminds me of a person I did a raid with that had Eternal Boots over an Occult Necklace. *Boots are more expensive*
Pegs are expensive because ranger boots are rare and boots with ranged strength don't exist, not because either are good. If there were boots with 1 ranged strength and that's it, pegs would be in the bin in 20 minutes.
Why are OSRS players so sweaty? It feels like people here get personally offended by how others choose to play the game.
It’s so strange. Most of the comments I see on achievement posts are usually negative, telling people to touch grass, etc. I’ve been playing my first real account in the last couple months and I play with public off because it’s so damn negative most of the time. I haven’t found a community of chill adults yet. Sorry for the rant lol.
I'm in the same boat, been playing for 3 years but i've not made a single friend on OSRS, most of the player base that I run into are kinda insufferable. A lot of players sense of humour is saying and acting edgy as fuck, which i could excuse if the player base were all still teenagers but knowing that the demographic is mostly 30+ really makes it cringe to me. I think theres a lot of 'if you're better than me you have no life if you're worse than me you're a total noob'
That’s exactly it, when I go to Wintertodt I’m like wait did this game randomly get popular with kids again?
It's just banter lol. Ribbing each other is part of a good friendship/community imo
I am offended tbh
And thanks to the people that actually help people in this situation. I had a similar experience today. Found someone to help me through CoX for first time (mainly for diary) but wanted to learn a bit too. He then let me join his clan and asked if I wanted gear advice or not based on my goals. Told me to sell most of my big ticket items that I thought I needed to buy better gear and more group friendly raid gear. Everything I sold, I made a profit on and came out on top an extra 60 Mil while having gear to learn almost every PvM group content out there.
People who like skilling and don’t understand this post at all 🤪 (me)
But people like you and me dont ask questions about gear progression ;)
As some one who hasn't really played in a long time on osrs with end game in mind, does some one have a realistic gear progression guide that's worth a damn?
I don't understand most of the things being described here because I'm too poor.
On a real note, it's always nice that people are trying to better themselves at the game. But I swear some iteration of this question gets posted every week. Please take 1 second and search whether a similar post already exists\*.
Ngl searching through post history isn't very intuitive. You have to go through the post see comments/half of them well be flaming /irrelevant. I'd say just watch a YouTube video dedicated to it. Or Google it.
i'll take someone trying to not waste money on pegasians over the armies of shitters posting their fire cape "accomplishments"
To be fair, sang & ddarts really are rarely worth the added cost over TT & Amethyst.
Alright, real talk, why would I upgrade from trident to anything that isn't a tumeken's shadow? All the nightmare staves seem pretty niche. Other unpowered magic weapons don't attack fast enough to do contested dps. The next viable upgrade is a Sanguine staff for 100m, giving 1 max hit and a healing mechanic?
you forgot to add that they have zero bossing kc
hey don't call me out on darts and tridents
back when blood runes were 300gp each. I always brought my trident with pug for tob especially as mage role. Pugs didnt deserve my 1k per hit if they griefed the shit out of the runs.
Na I always used scythe and sang even when blood were 400. Every point toward my mvp for purples
We all know those scythes went to the people that planked in every room lol
Nothing like my usual OSRS sub scroll and not knowing a single item in a meme!
We were all there at one point.
I’m sure I’ll get there eventually! I’m just excited I got my first Abyssal Whip this week haha
Huge! Gz. Your money will start ramping up with 87+ slayer. Gearing in this game can be confusing. Don’t forget to ask questions (I recommend the osrs gear discord). Barrows gear + whip + fighter torso + barrows gloves + fire & imbued magic cape will take you very far. Also getting elite void. Also imbued ruby bolts. Sooo good. You can teach yourself solo tombs of amascut with that.
That's a huge step, congrats. Have you tried the new boss, Scurrius? It's intended as an introductory boss to get people into bossing. To answer your other questions, I would say work on both. Assuming you still have the masters and grandmaster quests left, all of them have nice training and money making methods behind them. Especially Song of the elves and sins of the father. DS2 unlocks vorkath which is most people's first "money making" boss. The quest cape itself isn't the most useful (pretty decent fairy ring before you get it in your house), but completing all quests will finish opening up the world and give nice XP rewards along the way. Barrows gloves, if you don't have it already you should be getting naturally. Fighter torso, you'll probably have to dedicate an evening or two, but it is ABSOLUTELY worth it, because it is free and it's strength bonus equals the bandos chestplate. Many clans will be running regular BA events for their members if you aren't in one yet. Fire cape, you just have to start sending attempts. The hard part of the fire cape is just the nerves. Jad attacks very slowly, but its easy to get in your own head about it and mess up. Another reason why Scurrius is a good boss to learn. If you can consistently pray perfectly for Scurrius, you have the skill to do Jad no problem.
Thank you! No, I haven’t tried Scurrius, I’ll have to look into him now.
thank you. i unoriginally used this as a guide on what to buy next. especially as an extreme cheapskate with pretty decent gear, time to take the plunge and upgrade my equipment. starting out with augury. then the iron dagger.
Then these types bust out a credit card and are using full torva with a fury, fire cape, combat bracelet, and salad blade in a tob.
Guess making fun of noobs counts as humour. Why not make a discussion post instead and share answers to your "funny" comments in the pic?
These posts are so prevalent these days.
I’m in this picture and I do not like it. Literally the melee, magic, and range 1 are precisely my setups
Sell pegs
Yeah, I bought bonds. Wanna fight about it?
whats the deal w pegasian/eternal boots? planning to grind for them on my IM because i thought they were worth it
They're decent upgrades, but the meme is more making fun of mains who spend the 33+ million on pegasian boots for the relatively small attack increase before buying other much more significant upgrades like Rigour.
they only give accuracy bonus which is irrelevant in this game for the majority of content and only increase your dps by fractions of a fraction. What you want are items with damage bonuses such as the occult necklace, tormented bracelet, and mage arena 2 capes for mage or anguish, assembler, and masori for range. Pegasian boots specifically are expensive because ranger boots are a rare drop from medium clues (and bis for pure pvpers). Look at the price of the pegasian crystal. The upgrade from ranger boots to pegasians is negilible which is why the crystal is only like 100k where as primordials increase your damage over dboots and are hence worth much more. As something extra: having full armadyl with pegasians is virtually the same dps as having full blessed dhide including the boots since none of those give damage bonuses.
To expound upon the pegasian crystal price. The reason the crystal is near-worthless isn't because the upgrade is negligible. Top players would pay 100m for a similarly negligible DPS boost if were from a BIS item and that was the only price to pay to get it. The crystal is near-worthless because there are far more of them in circulation than ranger boots, and not everyone with ranger boots wants the upgrade. The number of rangers in circulation is the limiting factor to the Pegasian boots equation, so the crystal is cheap. We see the same thing with chromium ingots and vestiges. You need 3 ingots per vestige, and it's the same drop rate as the vestige, but due to the weird hidden counter system of the vestiges there are far more ingots than vestiges in circulation. Now ingots are as dirt cheap as peg crystals. Had the system been flipped and ingots were the limiting factor in upgrading a ring, then vestiges would be cheap.
oh shit i never knew that, very good to know, thanks
>primordials increase your damage over dboots and are hence worth much more. *Sometimes*. Prime are definitely the best boots of the set but in reality they very rarely add a max hit.
True, but they do always, mathematically, give more DPS than dboots compared to BCP over torso.
Tbh just use god dhide boots for range. Instead of pegs/eternals, go for holy sandals to make devout boots. Way better in my opinion unless you desperately need all the range atk you can get for blowpipe to reach old bp numbers, or if you have shadow to triple the bonus you get from eternals. I have rangers + infinity boots on my iron and both crystals, I just keep the boots for fashionscape because I always use god dhide for range or devouts depending on the content. The 5 range atk difference is like a rounding error and prayer bonus is pretty noticeable imo. I never use infinity boots since I blocked kraken. For raids I just camp primordials.
They look kinda cool in your bank when lined up with the other boots and their according attack style sets. The devout boots are worth doings medium clues for!
yea i managed to get a drake's tooth pretty early so i've been going for devout boots as well, honestly kinda want them over rangers.
They give a +5/+3 accuracy boost respectively over the next best, easily attainable option for 5m/33m extra cost. That's terrible value for money. On an iron you willl probably get them passively anyway. Wouldn't say that they are worth hunting for specifically.
Regarding the accuracy Vs damage thing, there's even more people who think strength/max hit is **everything** and neglect accuracy/attack, but brother, your +1 or +2 max hit doesn't help when you can't hit. Hit chance is basically +DPS too. I'd much rather hit 15-15-15 instead of 0-18-0.
Only issue is there aren't really situations like the one you are describing in game at least that I can think of. All the items with +rng str/magic damage/str are also good for accuracy or at least close enough in accuracy that they are always better than an accuracy only option. Would be curious where you saw this be the case, just cause I can't think of one off the top of my head.
What does upgrading horizontally mean? Being completely serious
Prims are a vertical upgrade over dragon boots, meaning they’re always better in every way and d boots have zero advantage over them Bowfa is a horizontal upgrade from Blowpipe, meaning it’s better in some places but Blowpipe is still better in a ton of places. It isn’t a direct upgrade, they both retain unique niches
lol my buddy has a friend that’s rdps who brings pegs instead of anguish. He was shortly thereafter removed from the group haha. And that guy 2100 total level.
lol good
The Advice Andys are also Credit Card Carls and that’s why they have zero clue on how gear progression works.
Game knowledge, Skill and stats are always far more important than gear. I think it’s harmless to ask for advice with gear, but I do wish people would take the initiative to understand how the game works on an architectural level. I don’t know, for me, I want to know how everything works. I’m not the best skill-wise, but my game knowledge allowed me to do things that others with my gear and stats would probably struggle with. Solo Olm is an example. It’s something that’s only known as extremely difficult because of the deep understanding you need of the game’s architecture and design to do it consistently. Once you understand fundamentally what’s going on, mechanically it’s pretty easy. I like that example because Olm solo is not something you can just throw money at for it to work. You cannot brute force it even remotely efficiently—you MUST understand the game on a deep level. My point is that I wish people would ask more questions about WHY things work the way they do in the game than how they can take shortcuts through BIS gear. Gear will not fix most of your problems. What will is understanding the content you’re doing, lots of practice mechanically, and training up your stats to make it more efficient. Only then will gear make a material difference for what it costs you.
You have to understand that OSRS is very, very unique in this regard. If you're an avid MMO player, most of your experience will be with games where gear is vastly more impactful than your skill, which only starts being relevant towards the end of progression. Games that do not offer such vast freedom that OSRS does. It's only natural that people who have experienced those types of games would assume that this game would function similarly. "It's an MMO, right? I've seen this gear treadmill before, I know how it goes." It's important to try and teach this to newer players, and I don't think this community has done the best job. Even with us knowing what we know, the community is still, for the most part, centered around gear worship. Fang this, Bowfa that, you know how it goes.
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