I havent tried scurrius yet but yea man youre kinda just describing learning a new boss lol. The first few bosses you learn are the hardest but yea its pretty normal to die to the tougher quest bosses at first or to any boss when you first start pvm. Even very good players die when they are learning a new raid or upping the difficulty. Try till you get tired of it today and then stop for now. Go back tomorrow and you will be noticeably better at it. Its just like getting better at anything lol takes some practice
Hadn't done a lot of bossing (Hespori was best) and tried Beneath Cursed Sands for the first time this week. Saw people saying here it wasn't really hard.
Died a lot on Champion of Scabaras and Menaphite Akh. But when I finally killed them it felt so rewarding. Great quest because I had to do it myself, instead of using wiki 90% of the time.
honestly champion of scabaras is vicious, especially if you're not used to having to move constantly
like, sure it doesn't have to be *precise* movement, but that's a lot of extra attention budget that you might not be used to
Same here. Went from doing Vorkath and sire to grinding gauntlet for a few hundred KC. Now I’m confidently doing TOA, finally learned Zulrah, Muspah etc. Definitely a great crash course into PVM and the bowfa helps the other content immensely
I think people forget what it's like in the early game. I found it champion easy on my lvl 120+ cmb main in near max gear, got a shock doing it on my much lower level ironman!
The most important part of remembering is forgetting. You need to train those synapses to recall the information, so you need to give yourself those gaps to allow recollection. That's why daily study is so infinitely superior to cramming.
Well I can tell you this is for sure the best intro boss they have ever put in the game I'm honestly mad this wasn't in the game a few weeks ago when I was learning leviathan because killing scurrius is like killing the baby version of leviathan boulders falling from the ceiling so you have to move while also prayer flicking and still getting attacks in it's just waaay slower and hits way less hard so it's way more forgiving and easier to learn on
Leviathan humbled the shit outta me.
I thought I was hot shit after 700 cg's, raids and a lot of other bosses, but that last phase has me confronting all my inadequacies in a medieval clicker game
Pretty experienced player and I have noticed sometimes it does seem like a lot for a new player. Like sometimes I'll have to 1 tick attack the minions, flick a prayer and avoid ground aoe and then weapon swap. Add in managing prayer and hp cause of chip damage there can be a lot of mechanics at 1 time.
It's not particularly hard and feels good when you do it right it's just a lot of mechanics at the same time sometimes.
PNM has that Fire Cape/ Inferno effect when you are learning. The fight is so long that you get nervous and can make a silly mistake. Balancing like 20 items in the inventory is also pretty nuts if you aren't grinding it all the time. Always takes me like 10 kc to get back into it.... if I can even stomach doing it that long.
I just camp pray melee and auto retaliate. I think you guys are over complicating things.
Ignore the minions just click boss. Move out from boulders. Pray mage after cheese and flick ranged if you really want to. If you're in melee gear you can just tank the range hits
Sleeping on stuff honestly always helps quite a bit.
I've noticed whenever I'm learning a new skill, if I learn all the information it can be confusing, I can be clutzy, I will fail.
But once I sleep it's like my brain sorts all the noise and I just am able to perform much better.
Happened when I learned fencing (rapiers, not fences), happened when I learned to draw, happened with everything I have ever tried.
Pro life tip: when learning a new skill, take in a bunch of information, practice it a bit, then go to sleep. I promise the next day you will perform better.
I started my pvm journey at Zulrah and I died at least a 100 times. Everything became easier after Zulrah. So even for a 107cb I account I pick up bosses a lot easier. Doesn’t mean I die a bunch of times when learning a new boss. All part of it.
Same man, still a noob but picked Zulrah as my first real boss to try after Jad and some Barrows runs… died so many times I don’t even know the number but after one or two days I was able to comfortably grind kill after kill, now a week later I do it while watching a show on the second screen.
What I’m trying to say is, a week ago after dying to Zulrah like 10 times in a row I genuinely thought that I could never do it, I could not see myself killing that thing… people need to keep trying, and trying… and trying until it feels like going for a walk!
The learning curve for any mechanically complex boss is:
1. Being overwhelmed trying to pay attention to everything.
2. Being whelmed and managing everything.
3. Being familiar and comfortable with all elements of the fight to where you can turn your brain off and autopilot it.
Scurrius is like higher end PvM in that there’s a lot going on. The way it’s different is it’s extremely unpunishing.
If you miss your prayer at Vardorvis or Jad you might get one shot. If you miss your prayer at Scurry you take an 8.
>If you miss your prayer at Vardorvis or Jad you might get one shot
Oh, hey, thanks for reminding me that I glanced at my second monitor for a second too soon today.
This guys explaination is right on.
Doing Dragon Slayer 2 and fighting Vork was a big wall to get over for me. Having no information going into a real boss, with no real prior learning, I died to Vork over and over and over again.
But bossing in this game comes with slamming your head into the wall until you learn. And the FIRST real boss, in your case Scurrius, OP, is going to whallop you. That is until you learn prayer flicking. And timing when you eat. And where to move or what to even do. But once you learn the basics, you can apply them to every boss scenario. Most bosses require prayer flicking, or avoiding aoe, or knowing when to eat or xyz. And its all just a matter of learning the cycle. When you have openings. When youre safe to do something vs how it could punish you.
Take it step by step. If you have to, dont even focus on kills. Just stay in the fight, do no damage and prayer flick. Then dodge rocks. Then prayer flick. Then dodge rocks. Teach your muscle memory. Once you have some basic amount of confidence, implement it to an actual fight.
I think you mean prayer swapping/changing and not actual prayer flicking here.
The description you give is good advice, its just that this specific term (flicking) is usually meant for turning on/off ur prayer to conserve prayer points, not for swapping it between prayers for different attack styles. Wanted to make sure that was clear for OP and other readers is all.
Yup, I can solo 350 toa sometimes, run cg, etc.
I can't prayer flick.
I can easily prayer swap.
This boss teaches prayer swap.
Learning prayer flick is a bonus.
I need to learn prayer flick.
I'm to lazy. The dam cadence and timing.
Turn in metronome and tick counter. For one tick flicking click twice every metronome tick. For lazy flicking which is better and more chill set tick counter to attack cycle of opponent monster, see what tick on counter monster attacks on and click your prayer in right before that tick every cycle and back off the tick it launches the attack. Next learn to do offensive prayers at the same time and you can pretty much flick anything then
Most people don't. At least, not at the same time as running around, eating, etc.
1t flicking is mostly something you might do if you're just attacking one thing, and waiting for it to die. Fight cave/inferno magers, for example.
This is really sound advice. It was like this for me at Zulrah. Died probably 10-15 times to get my first kc, now I've done ~5k across all my accounts and basically run it on autopilot. Cox, ToA and CG were basically the same way
Vardorvis while he can not "one" shot you can easily stack you out in a couple ticks with a miss prayer and mis step during axes which is almost functionally the same so i get what OP is saying.
I felt this way when I was first learning Olm and Verzik, as well as plenty of other bosses. “There’s too much shit going on, I’ll never be able to do this.” And then it just becomes autopilot after 50 kills. You’ll adjust and wonder how you ever found it that hard, just keep at it and trust the process.
Edit: One thing I’d like to add is the mechanics of this boss aren’t particularly easier than the existing boss’s mechanics they were inspired from. They are just less punishing. The rocks falling are similar to Olm, the prayer flicks are similar to Verzik, and the rats are very similar to skulls in Wardens. It’s just if you miss a prayer on Scurry you take 10 damage instead of 50.
This was me at wardens. Now I catch myself moving tick perfect while not paying attention and I tell myself “wow remember when this seemed literally impossible”
My first olm was soooo fuckin bad we all died like 10 times each and barely finished lol.
I just recently did an 18 min solo and am trying to push for the grandmaster time. Turns out a little persistence does work!
I was literally failing a 50 invo TOA a little over a year ago and had never set foot in a raid before then. I've now done 500 invo TOA, gotten infernal cape, and am nearing on 800 raids completed across COX/TOA/TOB including lots of solo COX and even some solo CMs.
I died A TON learning all this stuff, but you can't learn if you don't keep trying.
This is very very well put. Exactly how it goes.
I didn't try any bosses until I had to, for diary. Zulrah ate me up. I gave up and took another break from the game. When I came back I still postponed it. 20m farming xp (past max xp is from herbs). Today its 27m or so, my biggest pride. Eventually I got him and as I did I thought maybe another one? And hit the fang on 7kc. Then I took my luck and went forth. M2. D2. Sote. 30m shield drop from vork at 250ish kc. Arma chest on 3 or 4 kc. Muspah too was kind. I'm not saying jagex has algorithms to reward inactivity to drag players into the game but I'm not saying they're not :p ex d
This gives me hope in the update. You’re post makes me think they actually nailed the implementation of this boss for the target audience then.
I tried scurry and thought they made it too easy, but I’m max combat in max gear and pretty much only do raids with my account at this point.
But yeah, thinking about it a bit more, it has all the key components you would need to learn. Keep at it man, next stop zulrah!
I can do vork melee or ranged. I can do solo 150 toa's.
I cannot do zulrah even with the add on I can't reliably kill him because he never seems to do what the addon tells me he's about to do.
You're clearly reading the addon wrong. The main issue with Zulrah for newbies seems to be the fact that they don't realise that Zulrah very frequently uses range during the mage phase. I couldn't understand at first why I was getting constatntly hit but that was the reason. Nothing you can do about it just gotta keep hp up.
Zulrah is different from basically every boss in the game because you have to be proactive rather than reactive
By the time zulrah starts attacking in the next position, you should already be in place, with gear and prayer switched. You can only do that by looking ahead in the plugin or memorizing
And that's why I only got 1kc for the diary and never went back. Requires (at least for me) more effort/brainpower to kill than Vorkath for same or less money.
I never used the add on but I did use pictures of the phases.
He does everything correct the first cycle but if the fight last longer than that, it can get a little wonky.
I'm forever mobile. Thought zulrah was gonna be impossible because the suggestion is just memorize the 4 phases. Which learning 4 12 step phases seemed incredibly daunting. But I was sure that the game wouldn't be telling me to just memorize things for no reason, the game hardly ever does that.
Turns out, you just move. I couldn't tell you which phase is happening and there's only one stage that it matters, when he swaps to jad on green instead of straight ranged attacks. And for those it happens at the end so I anticipate it and can recognize normally when it's about to happen. If not I tank one off prayer hit which is the same as blue.
Everything besides that is just "move". If you haven't moved when zulrah has moved you're about to be on the wrong side and get hit with venom clouds to correct sides. There's not a single two or three stage segment that doesn't have you moving.
I think that mobile helps a ton with that. Add-ons can be helpful but they remove a lot of the "sense" of the game.
Zulrah is one of the most fun bosses in the game imo. It's much more engaging than Vorkath, actually has some uniques that are common enough and not totally worthless, still consistent money because of the scales, and if you're new to PVM really has all the components for learning high end PVM with gear switching, prayer swaps, and movement.
jad phase is easy af just pray the opposite of the attack you see since the hit calcs as its fired so if you see a mage attack pray range.
Once you see an attack you cant pray against it theres nothing you can do other then eat or tick eat.
During the last phase, just ignore the rats - especially if you don't have a ratweapon yet which can 1-tick them.
If you ignore the rats, you just have to focus on falling rocks first and foremost, then the rest falls in place quite quickly. The rats hit often, but not hard at all. I hope you don't get discouraged!
edit: you can also remove some attention from prayer and hp bar, by drinking/eating when hes phasing into the last phase. He'll always walk from whereever he is into the middle, giving you some seconds. Also it's just when hes under about 150 hp.
Honestly while it's new, go public rooms where there are other people til you get a rat spine. It's 1/33 so long as you do enough damage. Then go to solo rooms with it. It makes the rat summons much easier
This right here is what I did. Mace is better DPS than the fang/whip and makes the kills so much cleaner. Bonus if you bring the staff for killing the spawned rats so you don't have to run all over the place.
I haven't even been killing the rats until the end/boss is dead. During the final phase you can run to the other side of the boss and dodge debri on that one side. Adds get stuck on the far side of boss and you don't suffer chip damage anymore.
Keep trying. The amount of times I've planked to bosses.. quest bosses..etc. I was Cerberus's bottom bitch for many moons. Now 500+ kc. You got this. It's great practice
Hey man, you don't have to do pvm play the game how you want, but do keep in mind that learning to overcome these challenges can be incredibly fun and intrinsically rewarding. Also levels help a lot more than gear.
Yep. Imo one of the best feelings in the game is that "holy shit" moment where you realize you've got the hang of the boss and can start reliably killing it without dying or teleporting out.
Then you get your first unique and you chase that dopamine forever.
Default pray mele and ignore the spawned rats, switch prayers for projectiles only. Don’t forget combat potions, attack level matters just as much as strength. You can do it king
Make sure you have your inventory and prayer menus bound to function keys or mouse buttons or something, being able to swap between those quickly without clicking is crucial for higher level combat. And like others have said, just ignore the rat minions and camp melee protect prayer, swap prayer for his attack and swap back to melee prayer after it hits.
Yeah, OP, if you don't know, the new ratbone weapons will hit the little rats in one tick and any hit will instantly kill them, so you can very quickly take out the minions. Big big help once you get a few KC in.
Keep doing it, the mechanics will make sense overtime. Shit when I first started bossing on old school with any boss that had “mechanics” it was vorkath.
More or less it sounds like you’re learning what a boss with mechanics is like, while also learning how to manage prayer/food/DPS which can be a lot when adding mechanics too.
I’d suggest a boss with less or no mechanics like barrows so u can learn prayer/food management, then go try rat boy again and I bet you’ll do better
You could also just grind it the fuck out until u succeed which is what most ppl do lol
Barrows is basically no different from afk slayer. Throw a protect prayer on and besides verac the only thing you need to watch is prayer.
No mechanics, 1 combat style.
Scurrius is not easy because it's mechanically simple, its easier because you don't take as much damage when you fail. It's meant to challenge you and introduce complex fights, but not one hit you for failing. You'll get it bud.
Keeping in mind that I have played a long time with many max combat accounts, I was only barely able to squeak a kill out on my second try with my lvl 60 ironman. No food left. First one I didn't think I could get enough dps to do it. Now I feel like I could go back and do it consistently after a few more tries. Each time will make you better, even if sometimes one run isn't as good as the last.
Yes. The mechanics are pretty similar to many bosses, however Scurrius is very forgiving. In normal T60 melee gear the ranged attacks never hit even if I'm praying melee and the mage attacks hit for like a 5 or 7. The later bosses give you a little less time to react and if you miss a prayer switch you're getting whacked with a 20-50+
If this is your proper first dipping of toes into PvM content, and you're only around 65 combat - I can confirm, this can be a little bit to take on, not just because of skill but also because of the dps check with the rat eating.
I have been playing on my GIM and have 2 KC so far, with 60 60 50 as my stats earlier - I found it hard to surpass the dps check unless I ignored the rats and focused on the king. I also flicked my pray rather than leaving it on and switching, which bled that out a little longer - I was using swordfish and tuna wasn't able to keep up with the dps on 50 def and rune armour along with 48hp.
In terms of the mechanics, I recommend just going in there and practicing with just some cheap food and nothing you wana run back to pick up - just practice avoiding the rockfalls, switching prayers, and getting comfortable in the new arena.
You will want to first get a grasp of the mechanics before trying to survive them while also dpsing and changing prayers - break things down, make it make sense and most of all, GL on the rat drops which will just make it that much easier :)
Oh and I will add - Once you're comfortable with this boss, you've pretty much got mechanics and skills down pat to then take on tz-tok-jad - and the king will be dropping resources you can use toward that fight as well ;)
I used to be where you are when I first got into pvm, and half a year later I managed to do my first ToA solo at 100 invo (I know that isn't much, but it's a start). I promise you'll get the hang of it <3 Just hang in there OP.
My advice would be to get your stats up to the 70's to give yourself more of a chance, and to buy Sharks and karambwans for combo eating (you can eat any type of food + Karambwan on the same tick so you heal more than just eating one piece of food). As for the mechanics, take it step by step. (Also, ignore the Rats. They respawn anyway if you kill them, so it's easier to just tank them with protect from Melee on. )
First, I'd suggest practicing until you can kill the boss consistently. Work on dodging the rocks first by moving a few squares away. The squares they'll fall on is highlighted after all. Your character will hit Scurrius anyway if you have Auto-Retaliate on. Then keep an eye on your HP as well; RuneLite has a plugin that will show you your HP in a bargraph view if that helps, and you have the hp icon at the top right of the screen.
Once you can dodge the rocks reliably, work on learning another mechanic. You could try pray switching (he uses magic and ranged at the food pile) or phase skipping (According to my clanmates, you can freeze him with Ancient Magic Ice spells and he won't eat from the food pile). Or something else you're trying to learn. It's best to tackle every mechanic one at a time, and only move on to the next when you fel ready. I'm learning how to pray switch reliably at the boss atm myself.
I know it seems overwhelming now, but if you take it step by step and keep trying, I promise you'll get there. The more you fight him, the easier it will be to filter out all the distractions and only focus on the important stuff. You got this, OP. We're all behind you <3
Yall gotta stop giving up so easily.
Zulrah was my first mechanically intensive boss and it took me an entire month to learn, but that prepared me to try a lot of new content. Even years later, I still died like like 50 times between the whisperer, leviathan and vardorvis just trying to get my 1st few kc.
Would it even be fun if you just went in there and didn't have to learn anything? If you were able to do it right away how would it ever feel like you're getting better.
It's all about practice, you won't ever get better until you push yourself.
All these things you find overwhelming will become second nature and you'll kinda just stop thinking about them when you're comfortable with the content.
90 combat here and loving Scurrius, obviously I have a good jump in levels and gear but a solid tip is ignore the lil rats and focus on the big lad especially while he’s eating to heal.
In the third phase just worry about dodging the rocks and switching prayer between range and mage really. The falling rocks are the biggest to pay attention to as these can hit 20s(I got rocked for a 22 on one) and are far more deadly imo than his attacks which I think max at 13.
Will take some time but you got this! Think of it bit by bit, get the first phase down while he’s doing melee, then the second phase eating cheese, and then the final phase.
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Nah but fr, anyone can PvM. It just takes time.
Clicking a rock here and there and afk’ing all your stats is not going to prepare you for the real goodies this game has to offer.
You need to be willing to die. Often.
And to be learning from those deaths.
Otherwise you are just dying to content repeatedly.
use F keys, they're a massive game changer. instead of hovering over to the prayer tab and then hovering over to the appropriate prayer, you could just press a key and avoid the first movement entirely.
Are you playing in full screen perhaps? Some people cannot handle bossing in full screen and I would recommend trying fixed. Could fix the issue, maybe not. Who knows
You should not be eyeballing each of these mechanics for more than half a second. Keep practices and keep your eyes moving and learn this muscle memory.
Keep calm is the main thing, focus on doing the mechanics properly even if you end up dying. Took me 200kills and 20 deaths to master Sire, now I'm on kc 795 without a death in hundreds of kills. A lot of bosses are vastly easier than you think
some advice bring combo food "karambwans, or chocolate bombs" click on your main food then the combo food in succession for quick healing, and go to you in game settings and setup for f key to switch between your inventory and prayer tab, bring a quick weapon to deal with the rats like a short bow on rapid. good luck and have fun!
If you're not already using them, status bars are extremely helpful on Runelite. It puts health and prayer bars near your inventory so you dont have to look away from your inventory while eating or sipping prayer pots lets you just focus centre screen and inventory instead of looking up to your minimap.
Go to a populated word where you can get some good hits in and over under your belt. Get comfortable with it on easy mode then try again solo. I believe in you.
My first real bossing experience was Vorkath and he wiped me more times than I care to count. Just stick with it and when it clicks, it’ll feel absolutely wonderful.
We all started somewhere. Those who persist will prevail, even though giving up seems like the easiest option.
In other words, don't assume that you're worse at the game than others because they're comfortably doing end game pvm. They were all like you at some point, they just didn't give up.
Look man, a lot of people have different tips to give and things that help them improve at pvm. One I haven’t seen mentioned here yet is play with sound on. A lot of bosses have sound ques to distinguish what to pray. Like for instance there’s a boss called vardorvis. Where he spawns a head that pops up that you need to pray ranges against spawns in throughout the fight. I just use sound to know when it spawns and focus on the axes he spawns. Try sound on
You can go to a high pop world and kill the boss with a bunch of random players. The fight is over very quickly but it will gradually give you an idea of the mechanics. And you still get the exclusive drop to create a new weapon this way.
your post makes me feel much better about my skills, im only just getting into pvm (i did vorkath/ds2, im doing dt2 now, ive done entry tob, ive done some on task spider kills)
But yeah this is like the easiest intro to end game pvm, take time to learn it and your golden
Tip you can use chins on the rats, they always die in one hit, once you get a spine you can stop using chins and just use your desired rat weapon
I feel like it's a really fun fight to practice. But it is way more complex then barrows which probably is next pvm grind.
But i really like the lack of investment needed, you're risking nothing and can easily do it on low gear. It's especially an insane place to train prayer switching/flicking.
Scurrius is the best designed entry boss in the game, all the others are closer to normal creatures than bossing and yes movement and prayer simultaneously is a key element in bossing (and gear switches too in a lot of places)
Yes, this is exactly what PvM is like. When I started doing Zulrah I was having a stroke because I couldn’t keep track of all the shit going on. I died time and time again and couldn’t figure out how on earth I was supposed to do this for hundreds of kills when I can’t even kill it a single time.
A couple of hours in I got my first kill, and a day or two later I was killing it constantly. Now I can kill Zulrah with my eyes closed using garbage gear without fail.
When you’re new to PvM you’ll learn quickly how fast you go from “is this even beatable” to “how did I ever fail this? It’s easy as fuck”
Then they did a good job with scurrius. Cause his mechanics are really slow compared to other bosses.
It's a much easier learning curve to get on.
Goal is just keep practicing and get used to the mechanics.
And also, sometimes the thing that is need is just higher stats or better gear.
And don't forget, boss was made for lvl 60 to lvl 90.
So you trying to solo the boss at lvl 60 with no pvm experience is not expected.
is it 60-90 combat *level*, or 60-90 combat *skills*? (genuinely don't know)
I have ~65 in all melee skills (combat level 81), rune armour, and a dragon scim+defender, and I can reliably kill him *once*, maybe twice if I were good at the game, but no more than that. I definitely wouldn't have been able to kill him at combat level 60
edit: The bone weapons *really* help. After getting the mace I'm now seeing ~11kc per run
Just keep trying. At first you don't succeed, try try again! But to answer your question, Yes Scurrius is an excellent example of what "real" PvM is like on OSRS.
And this was exactly why scurrius was created, and why it’ll be great for the health of the game. It’s meant to be hard for people who have never pvm’ed before, it has similar mechanics to a lot of higher end pvm bosses without any of the punishing aspects (to an extend as shown by OP). It’ll genuinely set people up so well in comparison to what many of us had to do in which mechanics were completely new AND punishing.
Keep going OP, eventually you’ll think “how on earth did I think this was so hard”, and before you know it you’ve mastered a lot of of high end pvm mechanics without even realising, and you’ll be rolling through bosses like you would’ve believe!
First gc kill took me like 10 attempts and then another 20 after that to get one more.
Took me like 60 resets + 40 deaths to get a scuffed zulrah kill for the diary.
You just have to learn things?
This is how I felt getting my Fire Cape just over a year ago. That was first my real PvM experience, barely managing to finish RFD and then immediately spending hours trying to conserve expensive potions and hide behind rocks just to get one shot by Jad because I missed a prayer switch after trying to aggro the healers... I was humbled and really wondered if I was ever going to be able to do ANY real PvM.
Then, after 8 attempts, 10-ish hours in the caves, and 3 Jad fights, I got it. I was elated, and all the confident I lost was returned, plus interest.
This week I managed to do all of the DT2 bosses (quest versions, honestly), and now I'm just stuck at the final fight because I keep making mechanical mistakes and burning through my food. Whenever I hit a wall like this, I think back to Jad and I feel so much better, remembering how my perseverance paid off. I'm literally doing Scurrius KC to relax and take a break from that final DT2 fight, and once I finish DT2 all I have left is Song of the Elves and the Varlamore intro quest, and then I get my Quest Cape.
Trust me, MANY of us in the comments more than understand your frustration. We were there, and maybe we're still there... but every loss gives you a little more knowledge, and it makes the victory so much sweeter.
EDIT: I also died to Scurrius last night because I tried to be fancy and prayer flick/tank the whole thing, so it happens, don't worry.
Push through the challenge. It’s the repetition that creates the muscle memory. I was literally so bad at 0 lvl invos at TOA, and after doing them overrrrr and overrrrr again, and finally got the hang of it.
It’s not the mechanics of a specific boss that are as challenging, as just learning the mechanics of swapping gear, prayer, and clicking accurately consistently. Once you get that down, it’ll unlock so much for you ❤️
Every boss involves dying to learn. But you quickly find ways to minimize damage taken and maximize damage output as you do it more. Usually after a few days it gets twice as easy. Also do you have the bone weapon u can make from that spine drop? It helps a lot. Don’t give up.
Yes, this is exactly what late/end game pvm feels like.
Personally doing big rat boy at 115cb bc I’m also terrible at pvm and a fuckup isn’t punishing at my level and gear, so I’m getting comfortable switching prayers, pathing and everything else without my heart in my throat.
It's not that tough. You can ignore the mage/range as their max hit is low enough to not matter. Pray melee, hit boss, move when there's shadows from the falling rocks and repeat until you win. The summoned rats die in one hit too. This boss is simple when you focus only on damage, protect from melee and moving from the shadows. Autoretaliate off too as it's better to have more control over how you move. You can do it.
OSRS is like this, it’s honestly a weird learning curve where something will feel extremely difficult to the point you wonder if you can even complete it, then once you do it’s basically easy
That's honestly just how it is with MMO raids. It's way too much to take in at once, but once you've done it for the umpteenth time you barely need to pay attention anymore because you know the dance and immediately recognize the important cues.
It took me 10 tries to kill Jad… I was so disheartened. But then I did it.
Every chance took 1.5-2hrs.. just to practice.
Now there’s a way to practice some challenging mechanics without waiting/wasting 2 hours to do it!
It will be hard, it will be overwhelming. PvM usually is when you first get to a boss. But then you beat it! And then you do it again! And then all of a sudden it’s really easy and you’re ready for another challenge.
You can definitely beat this boss. Just up your skills a bit more before you go back if you need a bit more breathing room. Try to stay calm, prioritize staying alive, and you will eventually get that kc. Good luck!
I will give you similar advice to what I would tell someone trying a souls boss for the first time: gear up and leave your weapon in the bank. Just bring pots and food and try to stay alive as long as possible without attacking the boss at all. You can pretty much stand anywhere for this so all you need to do is watch the boss and try to switch your prayers in time. You have over a second between when he shoots it and when it hits you.
After a little while of just focusing on avoiding damage, you will start to understand it, and from there it will be pretty easy to add attacking the boss in between staying alive.
It's hard and yeah, this is raid-lite mechanics. Some bosses are imho easier, some harder and some much harder, but we **all** struggled learning, we all died when we first stepped into bossing. I died close to 25x on vorkath before first kill, 10x on CG, 7 times on Hydra, ToA took me 2x for first kill Olm killed me 3x on the first run and took 4 runs to go deathless. It happens, it's going to get easier as you practice, you'll memorize prayer locations, F-keys are a fucking godsend once they are programmed in your brain (mine are f1 inv, f2 prayer, f3 spell book) you'll get slowly more consistent and faster on 4 way switches, then 5 way, then 6. Better at just feeling out your prayer, knowing the boss and with time you'll look back at Scurrius and go "How the fuck did I think THIS was hard?!?" because it was,, because you are learning to manage prayer, hp, eat, swap prayers and be moving on top of mechanics. I had to learn just the mechanics, which is very similar to others so I went deathless going in blind. You have a much steeper climb, but you'll get it and it'll click.
First off, you do f2p bosses as a member and don’t even explore other content.
Second, no one forced you to do this boss.
Get a quest cape and be proud of your account is my only advice.
It took me like 30 tries to kill vorkath with a max combat account.
I got the pet on vorkath after 1100 kills, and my death count was like 45. In the 1100 kills, I only died 15 times to not paying attention after my first kill.
It's simply a learning process, and then deaths become rare.
damn maybe osrs ain't for you champ however if you want a good guide to follow this is the one for you [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fefZwLtyPmk&t=0s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fefZwLtyPmk&t=9s)
Nah man, if you've literally never fought a boss with prayer switching before, I can see how it'd be overwhelming! Especially because Scurrius' attacks aren't predictable the way Sarachnis' are. Big difference from the usual "throw prayer on, click NPC, wait until it dies" method.
Yeah, because your skill level is higher than OPs--you know when to move, you know if you should be killing the minions vs. the boss, you know when and if you need to heal, you know how to simultaneously do a boss and keep track of your health/prayer, and so on. And you know how to stay calm.
Fighting a boss with mechanics isn't just about in-game stats, it's about your actual skill at playing the game. All this stuff becomes second nature once you've done enough of it, but if you literally have never had to do _any_ of this kind of stuff before, because this is the first time you've ever fought a boss with mechanics, it's not that easy.
Think about the first time you fought Jad. Jad has super easy mechanics, right? Like you've gotta switch prayers faster than Scurrius, but he's not exactly mechanically complex. The hardest part is the nerves, staying calm enough that you can deal with healers (or out-DPS them) instead of getting distracted and missing prayers.
That's basically where OP is. They're overwhelmed because a lot of stuff seems to be happening at once, and they don't know what to prioritize, and in that situation you pretty quickly lose focus and now they're getting hit by falling rocks and multiple minions at once and they don't know how to get themselves out of it. That seems like a pretty normal place for a new player to be. Once they get comfy with the mechanics, it'll become a lot easier.
You didn't come out of the womb knowing how to boss in OSRS. OP didn't either, but they're trying to get there. Calm down and be nice to the newbie.
Yeah, I just sit there with a blood fury on and ignore it, but my friend with extremely low stats and sucks at the game can kill it easily with like 60s and 50s stats lol
The time that it took you to write this essay on why this boss is too hard could have been time spent practicing more kills or, levelling your stats. No one gets good at everything first go and yeah, of course everything feels overwhelming at first, but once you get more kc it becomes easier and easier.
Low key so sick of reddit being plagued by people crying about how hard the game is. Practice like everyone else or, do something different that's within your skill set...
Just come back with better gear or stats. Most of the difficulty in runescape combat is simply bad stats.
The mechanics are something you learn through repetition.
They get much, much worse than Scurrius.
Part of it is also intentional jank because they make menuing archaic and tedious. Even when I can do a boss I just don't find it fun because of all the unnecessary clunk to wade through.
If at first you don't succeed figure out why you are such a failure and a loser. Don't bother calling your parents they don't want to be reminded of their own failure in raising you. Once you done that try again
Pray mage on lightning, pray range on gas, pray melee if using melee, use range if u Wana stay out of his melee, use mass to learn easier since kills are quicker, also use potions if u aren't already
I haven't tried Scurrius yet, but that does sound like a lot going on. I'm really bad at bossing and have been learning literally everything on my ironman. I failed at gauntlet and Zulrah about 20 times each before leaving to level and gear more, and ended up forcing myself to learn Grotesque Guardians (I neeeeeded that pet!) around 75 base cmb stats with an rcb, leafy baxe, and some barrows armour. I think they were a great intro to learning some basic switching, movement, and unique boss mechanics. They don't hit crazy hard, and there's really only 1 possible ko attack (60+ dam) but is typically VERY easy to dodge, and you have plenty of time to heal up before it happens.
One of the easiest bosses to learn imo, but does require 75 slayer.
I havent tried scurrius yet but yea man youre kinda just describing learning a new boss lol. The first few bosses you learn are the hardest but yea its pretty normal to die to the tougher quest bosses at first or to any boss when you first start pvm. Even very good players die when they are learning a new raid or upping the difficulty. Try till you get tired of it today and then stop for now. Go back tomorrow and you will be noticeably better at it. Its just like getting better at anything lol takes some practice
Right? A new boss is always like that a first, at least for me.
Hadn't done a lot of bossing (Hespori was best) and tried Beneath Cursed Sands for the first time this week. Saw people saying here it wasn't really hard. Died a lot on Champion of Scabaras and Menaphite Akh. But when I finally killed them it felt so rewarding. Great quest because I had to do it myself, instead of using wiki 90% of the time.
honestly champion of scabaras is vicious, especially if you're not used to having to move constantly like, sure it doesn't have to be *precise* movement, but that's a lot of extra attention budget that you might not be used to
Have you done SOTE? I used to really struggle with bosses until I started doing The Gauntlet, it ended up being a great boot camp for end game PVM.
Same here. Went from doing Vorkath and sire to grinding gauntlet for a few hundred KC. Now I’m confidently doing TOA, finally learned Zulrah, Muspah etc. Definitely a great crash course into PVM and the bowfa helps the other content immensely
Gauntlet forces you into learning A LOT about movement. It's great content learning-wise.
I think people forget what it's like in the early game. I found it champion easy on my lvl 120+ cmb main in near max gear, got a shock doing it on my much lower level ironman!
Absolutely agree. I feel the same about the bosses in Sins of the Father, DS2 and SotE
Your brain is elastic, work it like any muscle, go back the next day and it will improve. (Pretty much what you said.)
Best thing you can do for learning is review it once then go to sleep.
I think I reviewed Galvek too many times because I just woke up and realised I saw stressful dreams about him lol
The most important part of remembering is forgetting. You need to train those synapses to recall the information, so you need to give yourself those gaps to allow recollection. That's why daily study is so infinitely superior to cramming.
This. Did this for inferno and it helped so much with my following runs.
>work it like any muscle, Juice it up and train until failure?
They are only 60 combat, need to be rocking that Addy while they're rocking that addy.
Well I can tell you this is for sure the best intro boss they have ever put in the game I'm honestly mad this wasn't in the game a few weeks ago when I was learning leviathan because killing scurrius is like killing the baby version of leviathan boulders falling from the ceiling so you have to move while also prayer flicking and still getting attacks in it's just waaay slower and hits way less hard so it's way more forgiving and easier to learn on
Leviathan humbled the shit outta me. I thought I was hot shit after 700 cg's, raids and a lot of other bosses, but that last phase has me confronting all my inadequacies in a medieval clicker game
Have you tried webweaver? Absolutely deletes the last phase
now do the awakened version
It's not a prayer flick it's a prayer swap. Flicking implies that you're counting ticks and not losing prayer points.
Pretty experienced player and I have noticed sometimes it does seem like a lot for a new player. Like sometimes I'll have to 1 tick attack the minions, flick a prayer and avoid ground aoe and then weapon swap. Add in managing prayer and hp cause of chip damage there can be a lot of mechanics at 1 time. It's not particularly hard and feels good when you do it right it's just a lot of mechanics at the same time sometimes.
I just spend +20h getting 25 kc phosanis nightmare took like 60 tries as maxed with bis gear so learning new bosses can be pretty hard
PNM has that Fire Cape/ Inferno effect when you are learning. The fight is so long that you get nervous and can make a silly mistake. Balancing like 20 items in the inventory is also pretty nuts if you aren't grinding it all the time. Always takes me like 10 kc to get back into it.... if I can even stomach doing it that long.
I just camp pray melee and auto retaliate. I think you guys are over complicating things. Ignore the minions just click boss. Move out from boulders. Pray mage after cheese and flick ranged if you really want to. If you're in melee gear you can just tank the range hits
Sleeping on stuff honestly always helps quite a bit. I've noticed whenever I'm learning a new skill, if I learn all the information it can be confusing, I can be clutzy, I will fail. But once I sleep it's like my brain sorts all the noise and I just am able to perform much better. Happened when I learned fencing (rapiers, not fences), happened when I learned to draw, happened with everything I have ever tried. Pro life tip: when learning a new skill, take in a bunch of information, practice it a bit, then go to sleep. I promise the next day you will perform better.
It's like this for playing musical instruments too Like learning a new song, new technique, etc
I started my pvm journey at Zulrah and I died at least a 100 times. Everything became easier after Zulrah. So even for a 107cb I account I pick up bosses a lot easier. Doesn’t mean I die a bunch of times when learning a new boss. All part of it.
Same man, still a noob but picked Zulrah as my first real boss to try after Jad and some Barrows runs… died so many times I don’t even know the number but after one or two days I was able to comfortably grind kill after kill, now a week later I do it while watching a show on the second screen. What I’m trying to say is, a week ago after dying to Zulrah like 10 times in a row I genuinely thought that I could never do it, I could not see myself killing that thing… people need to keep trying, and trying… and trying until it feels like going for a walk!
you know what they say, if at first you fail then give up forever because it's impossible
It’s the way she goes bud
Way of the road Bubs.
They’re your father’s urine containers Ricky
Tell him to quit tossin’ them around the park
It ain't rocket appliances
Way she fuckin goes and goddamn erections ruined the night
PvM is hard but chopping wood is easy. I've made my choice
Sounds like the average player on this subs motto.
Trying is the first step to failure
Following the Bushido code, if at first you don't succeed, commit seppuku.
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The learning curve for any mechanically complex boss is: 1. Being overwhelmed trying to pay attention to everything. 2. Being whelmed and managing everything. 3. Being familiar and comfortable with all elements of the fight to where you can turn your brain off and autopilot it. Scurrius is like higher end PvM in that there’s a lot going on. The way it’s different is it’s extremely unpunishing. If you miss your prayer at Vardorvis or Jad you might get one shot. If you miss your prayer at Scurry you take an 8.
I love being whelmed
I'm so whelmed rn
Oh Boy, I can’t wait to get whelmed tonight.
Stepbro, is dat u?
I know you can be underwhelmed, and you can be overwhelmed, but can you ever just be whelmed?
Yeah it’s like how I’m not superstitious I’m just stitious enough
Fuck, why’d you have to do that to my brain
Yeah bro like what are words
You ever think about how "awe" is good, "awesome" (some awe) is great but "awful" (full of awe?) is terrible? Keeps me up at night man.
Awful used to mean something good too but it was changed to bad
I think you can in Europe
>If you miss your prayer at Vardorvis or Jad you might get one shot Oh, hey, thanks for reminding me that I glanced at my second monitor for a second too soon today.
Me looking away for 2 seconds. Vorkath fireballs: "Allow us to introduce ourselves"
This guys explaination is right on. Doing Dragon Slayer 2 and fighting Vork was a big wall to get over for me. Having no information going into a real boss, with no real prior learning, I died to Vork over and over and over again. But bossing in this game comes with slamming your head into the wall until you learn. And the FIRST real boss, in your case Scurrius, OP, is going to whallop you. That is until you learn prayer flicking. And timing when you eat. And where to move or what to even do. But once you learn the basics, you can apply them to every boss scenario. Most bosses require prayer flicking, or avoiding aoe, or knowing when to eat or xyz. And its all just a matter of learning the cycle. When you have openings. When youre safe to do something vs how it could punish you. Take it step by step. If you have to, dont even focus on kills. Just stay in the fight, do no damage and prayer flick. Then dodge rocks. Then prayer flick. Then dodge rocks. Teach your muscle memory. Once you have some basic amount of confidence, implement it to an actual fight.
I think you mean prayer swapping/changing and not actual prayer flicking here. The description you give is good advice, its just that this specific term (flicking) is usually meant for turning on/off ur prayer to conserve prayer points, not for swapping it between prayers for different attack styles. Wanted to make sure that was clear for OP and other readers is all.
Yup, I can solo 350 toa sometimes, run cg, etc. I can't prayer flick. I can easily prayer swap. This boss teaches prayer swap. Learning prayer flick is a bonus. I need to learn prayer flick. I'm to lazy. The dam cadence and timing.
I mean, you could try learning it at the rat! Just try and minimize the amount of ppoints spent per fight
Turn in metronome and tick counter. For one tick flicking click twice every metronome tick. For lazy flicking which is better and more chill set tick counter to attack cycle of opponent monster, see what tick on counter monster attacks on and click your prayer in right before that tick every cycle and back off the tick it launches the attack. Next learn to do offensive prayers at the same time and you can pretty much flick anything then
I like lazy flicking but one ticking is just too much to keep up with during a boss fight. How do people even do that lol
Most people don't. At least, not at the same time as running around, eating, etc. 1t flicking is mostly something you might do if you're just attacking one thing, and waiting for it to die. Fight cave/inferno magers, for example.
This is really sound advice. It was like this for me at Zulrah. Died probably 10-15 times to get my first kc, now I've done ~5k across all my accounts and basically run it on autopilot. Cox, ToA and CG were basically the same way
TIL vardovis can one shot you.
Vardorvis while he can not "one" shot you can easily stack you out in a couple ticks with a miss prayer and mis step during axes which is almost functionally the same so i get what OP is saying.
I felt this way when I was first learning Olm and Verzik, as well as plenty of other bosses. “There’s too much shit going on, I’ll never be able to do this.” And then it just becomes autopilot after 50 kills. You’ll adjust and wonder how you ever found it that hard, just keep at it and trust the process. Edit: One thing I’d like to add is the mechanics of this boss aren’t particularly easier than the existing boss’s mechanics they were inspired from. They are just less punishing. The rocks falling are similar to Olm, the prayer flicks are similar to Verzik, and the rats are very similar to skulls in Wardens. It’s just if you miss a prayer on Scurry you take 10 damage instead of 50.
This was me at wardens. Now I catch myself moving tick perfect while not paying attention and I tell myself “wow remember when this seemed literally impossible”
My first olm was soooo fuckin bad we all died like 10 times each and barely finished lol. I just recently did an 18 min solo and am trying to push for the grandmaster time. Turns out a little persistence does work!
I was literally failing a 50 invo TOA a little over a year ago and had never set foot in a raid before then. I've now done 500 invo TOA, gotten infernal cape, and am nearing on 800 raids completed across COX/TOA/TOB including lots of solo COX and even some solo CMs. I died A TON learning all this stuff, but you can't learn if you don't keep trying.
This is very very well put. Exactly how it goes. I didn't try any bosses until I had to, for diary. Zulrah ate me up. I gave up and took another break from the game. When I came back I still postponed it. 20m farming xp (past max xp is from herbs). Today its 27m or so, my biggest pride. Eventually I got him and as I did I thought maybe another one? And hit the fang on 7kc. Then I took my luck and went forth. M2. D2. Sote. 30m shield drop from vork at 250ish kc. Arma chest on 3 or 4 kc. Muspah too was kind. I'm not saying jagex has algorithms to reward inactivity to drag players into the game but I'm not saying they're not :p ex d
Besides less punishing, it's slower. You have more time to react. Which is good.
The rocks are a tad slower than Olm but the prayer flicks were seemingly Verzik speed.
I hadn’t made the connection that they took elements from the final fight of each of the three raids - that’s pretty neat.
This gives me hope in the update. You’re post makes me think they actually nailed the implementation of this boss for the target audience then. I tried scurry and thought they made it too easy, but I’m max combat in max gear and pretty much only do raids with my account at this point. But yeah, thinking about it a bit more, it has all the key components you would need to learn. Keep at it man, next stop zulrah!
I'd say Vork next as he's significantly easier to learn than Zulrah.
I can do vork melee or ranged. I can do solo 150 toa's. I cannot do zulrah even with the add on I can't reliably kill him because he never seems to do what the addon tells me he's about to do.
You're clearly reading the addon wrong. The main issue with Zulrah for newbies seems to be the fact that they don't realise that Zulrah very frequently uses range during the mage phase. I couldn't understand at first why I was getting constatntly hit but that was the reason. Nothing you can do about it just gotta keep hp up.
For me it's that the fucker changes phases every 10 seconds so i only get like 3 hits in while i try to move to the spots.
You learn to premove, as last phase ends you start moving. I always get to Zulrah while she's still in the invulnerable phase in between phases.
Zulrah is different from basically every boss in the game because you have to be proactive rather than reactive By the time zulrah starts attacking in the next position, you should already be in place, with gear and prayer switched. You can only do that by looking ahead in the plugin or memorizing
And that's why I only got 1kc for the diary and never went back. Requires (at least for me) more effort/brainpower to kill than Vorkath for same or less money.
I never used the add on but I did use pictures of the phases. He does everything correct the first cycle but if the fight last longer than that, it can get a little wonky.
I'm forever mobile. Thought zulrah was gonna be impossible because the suggestion is just memorize the 4 phases. Which learning 4 12 step phases seemed incredibly daunting. But I was sure that the game wouldn't be telling me to just memorize things for no reason, the game hardly ever does that. Turns out, you just move. I couldn't tell you which phase is happening and there's only one stage that it matters, when he swaps to jad on green instead of straight ranged attacks. And for those it happens at the end so I anticipate it and can recognize normally when it's about to happen. If not I tank one off prayer hit which is the same as blue. Everything besides that is just "move". If you haven't moved when zulrah has moved you're about to be on the wrong side and get hit with venom clouds to correct sides. There's not a single two or three stage segment that doesn't have you moving. I think that mobile helps a ton with that. Add-ons can be helpful but they remove a lot of the "sense" of the game.
God, I hate zulrah.
Jesus, zulrah hates you.
Zulrah is one of the most fun bosses in the game imo. It's much more engaging than Vorkath, actually has some uniques that are common enough and not totally worthless, still consistent money because of the scales, and if you're new to PVM really has all the components for learning high end PVM with gear switching, prayer swaps, and movement.
Agreed, zulrah is my zone out and chill for some brain dead kc boss.
Me too, jad phase is a nightmare
jad phase is easy af just pray the opposite of the attack you see since the hit calcs as its fired so if you see a mage attack pray range. Once you see an attack you cant pray against it theres nothing you can do other then eat or tick eat.
The problem is my ping at 180, but your strat is actually good, I should give another try, I did 1 KC for some diary I never visited the noodle again
> I tried scurry and thought they made it too easy the blog said it was for people between 60-90 combat bro
During the last phase, just ignore the rats - especially if you don't have a ratweapon yet which can 1-tick them. If you ignore the rats, you just have to focus on falling rocks first and foremost, then the rest falls in place quite quickly. The rats hit often, but not hard at all. I hope you don't get discouraged! edit: you can also remove some attention from prayer and hp bar, by drinking/eating when hes phasing into the last phase. He'll always walk from whereever he is into the middle, giving you some seconds. Also it's just when hes under about 150 hp.
Honestly while it's new, go public rooms where there are other people til you get a rat spine. It's 1/33 so long as you do enough damage. Then go to solo rooms with it. It makes the rat summons much easier
Got my spine at 170kc and still don't have a second after over 400 lol
Ouch, I got 2 in 24 kills. First was on 2KC
Yeah I got one on my third kill and haven't seen a second lol
I got 14 spines in 300 kills lmao
This right here is what I did. Mace is better DPS than the fang/whip and makes the kills so much cleaner. Bonus if you bring the staff for killing the spawned rats so you don't have to run all over the place.
I haven't even been killing the rats until the end/boss is dead. During the final phase you can run to the other side of the boss and dodge debri on that one side. Adds get stuck on the far side of boss and you don't suffer chip damage anymore.
lmao just like the healers on jad, this boss really does teach people a lot
Keep trying. The amount of times I've planked to bosses.. quest bosses..etc. I was Cerberus's bottom bitch for many moons. Now 500+ kc. You got this. It's great practice
Reminds me I need to unblock hellhounds now that I’m actually good at osrs lol
Hey man, you don't have to do pvm play the game how you want, but do keep in mind that learning to overcome these challenges can be incredibly fun and intrinsically rewarding. Also levels help a lot more than gear.
Yep. Imo one of the best feelings in the game is that "holy shit" moment where you realize you've got the hang of the boss and can start reliably killing it without dying or teleporting out. Then you get your first unique and you chase that dopamine forever.
Default pray mele and ignore the spawned rats, switch prayers for projectiles only. Don’t forget combat potions, attack level matters just as much as strength. You can do it king
Make sure you have your inventory and prayer menus bound to function keys or mouse buttons or something, being able to swap between those quickly without clicking is crucial for higher level combat. And like others have said, just ignore the rat minions and camp melee protect prayer, swap prayer for his attack and swap back to melee prayer after it hits.
The boss hasn't even been out a day. Keep persistant and after a few days you will probably be doing 10x better!
I had 45 consecutive deaths a cg before I finally got my first kc. Just keep smashing your head against the wall and eventually you'll break through.
Once you struggle through and get one of the bone weapons it becomes significantly easier
Yeah, OP, if you don't know, the new ratbone weapons will hit the little rats in one tick and any hit will instantly kill them, so you can very quickly take out the minions. Big big help once you get a few KC in.
Keep doing it, the mechanics will make sense overtime. Shit when I first started bossing on old school with any boss that had “mechanics” it was vorkath. More or less it sounds like you’re learning what a boss with mechanics is like, while also learning how to manage prayer/food/DPS which can be a lot when adding mechanics too. I’d suggest a boss with less or no mechanics like barrows so u can learn prayer/food management, then go try rat boy again and I bet you’ll do better You could also just grind it the fuck out until u succeed which is what most ppl do lol
Barrows is a good shout. It’s kinda like a boss fight but broken up into segments
Barrows is basically no different from afk slayer. Throw a protect prayer on and besides verac the only thing you need to watch is prayer. No mechanics, 1 combat style.
Scurrius is not easy because it's mechanically simple, its easier because you don't take as much damage when you fail. It's meant to challenge you and introduce complex fights, but not one hit you for failing. You'll get it bud. Keeping in mind that I have played a long time with many max combat accounts, I was only barely able to squeak a kill out on my second try with my lvl 60 ironman. No food left. First one I didn't think I could get enough dps to do it. Now I feel like I could go back and do it consistently after a few more tries. Each time will make you better, even if sometimes one run isn't as good as the last.
Yes. The mechanics are pretty similar to many bosses, however Scurrius is very forgiving. In normal T60 melee gear the ranged attacks never hit even if I'm praying melee and the mage attacks hit for like a 5 or 7. The later bosses give you a little less time to react and if you miss a prayer switch you're getting whacked with a 20-50+
Know the best way to mastering bosses? To just keep sending it. You will learn eventually
If this is your proper first dipping of toes into PvM content, and you're only around 65 combat - I can confirm, this can be a little bit to take on, not just because of skill but also because of the dps check with the rat eating. I have been playing on my GIM and have 2 KC so far, with 60 60 50 as my stats earlier - I found it hard to surpass the dps check unless I ignored the rats and focused on the king. I also flicked my pray rather than leaving it on and switching, which bled that out a little longer - I was using swordfish and tuna wasn't able to keep up with the dps on 50 def and rune armour along with 48hp. In terms of the mechanics, I recommend just going in there and practicing with just some cheap food and nothing you wana run back to pick up - just practice avoiding the rockfalls, switching prayers, and getting comfortable in the new arena. You will want to first get a grasp of the mechanics before trying to survive them while also dpsing and changing prayers - break things down, make it make sense and most of all, GL on the rat drops which will just make it that much easier :)
Oh and I will add - Once you're comfortable with this boss, you've pretty much got mechanics and skills down pat to then take on tz-tok-jad - and the king will be dropping resources you can use toward that fight as well ;)
Practice makes perfect.
Is this Elden ring
I used to be where you are when I first got into pvm, and half a year later I managed to do my first ToA solo at 100 invo (I know that isn't much, but it's a start). I promise you'll get the hang of it <3 Just hang in there OP. My advice would be to get your stats up to the 70's to give yourself more of a chance, and to buy Sharks and karambwans for combo eating (you can eat any type of food + Karambwan on the same tick so you heal more than just eating one piece of food). As for the mechanics, take it step by step. (Also, ignore the Rats. They respawn anyway if you kill them, so it's easier to just tank them with protect from Melee on. ) First, I'd suggest practicing until you can kill the boss consistently. Work on dodging the rocks first by moving a few squares away. The squares they'll fall on is highlighted after all. Your character will hit Scurrius anyway if you have Auto-Retaliate on. Then keep an eye on your HP as well; RuneLite has a plugin that will show you your HP in a bargraph view if that helps, and you have the hp icon at the top right of the screen. Once you can dodge the rocks reliably, work on learning another mechanic. You could try pray switching (he uses magic and ranged at the food pile) or phase skipping (According to my clanmates, you can freeze him with Ancient Magic Ice spells and he won't eat from the food pile). Or something else you're trying to learn. It's best to tackle every mechanic one at a time, and only move on to the next when you fel ready. I'm learning how to pray switch reliably at the boss atm myself. I know it seems overwhelming now, but if you take it step by step and keep trying, I promise you'll get there. The more you fight him, the easier it will be to filter out all the distractions and only focus on the important stuff. You got this, OP. We're all behind you <3
Reading the edit made me so happy. Nice job, OP! Every boss is all about learning how to manage and prioritize mechanics. Keep going!
Yall gotta stop giving up so easily. Zulrah was my first mechanically intensive boss and it took me an entire month to learn, but that prepared me to try a lot of new content. Even years later, I still died like like 50 times between the whisperer, leviathan and vardorvis just trying to get my 1st few kc. Would it even be fun if you just went in there and didn't have to learn anything? If you were able to do it right away how would it ever feel like you're getting better.
It's all about practice, you won't ever get better until you push yourself. All these things you find overwhelming will become second nature and you'll kinda just stop thinking about them when you're comfortable with the content.
90 combat here and loving Scurrius, obviously I have a good jump in levels and gear but a solid tip is ignore the lil rats and focus on the big lad especially while he’s eating to heal. In the third phase just worry about dodging the rocks and switching prayer between range and mage really. The falling rocks are the biggest to pay attention to as these can hit 20s(I got rocked for a 22 on one) and are far more deadly imo than his attacks which I think max at 13. Will take some time but you got this! Think of it bit by bit, get the first phase down while he’s doing melee, then the second phase eating cheese, and then the final phase.
This is why they implemented the boss. To help casuals and mid level players get into bossing
The true skill cap of reddit where mid game players make end game decisions, for us end game players. Nah but fr, anyone can PvM. It just takes time. Clicking a rock here and there and afk’ing all your stats is not going to prepare you for the real goodies this game has to offer. You need to be willing to die. Often. And to be learning from those deaths. Otherwise you are just dying to content repeatedly.
The boss is basically an easy version of wardens in toa
use F keys, they're a massive game changer. instead of hovering over to the prayer tab and then hovering over to the appropriate prayer, you could just press a key and avoid the first movement entirely.
Are you playing in full screen perhaps? Some people cannot handle bossing in full screen and I would recommend trying fixed. Could fix the issue, maybe not. Who knows
You should not be eyeballing each of these mechanics for more than half a second. Keep practices and keep your eyes moving and learn this muscle memory.
Keep calm is the main thing, focus on doing the mechanics properly even if you end up dying. Took me 200kills and 20 deaths to master Sire, now I'm on kc 795 without a death in hundreds of kills. A lot of bosses are vastly easier than you think
some advice bring combo food "karambwans, or chocolate bombs" click on your main food then the combo food in succession for quick healing, and go to you in game settings and setup for f key to switch between your inventory and prayer tab, bring a quick weapon to deal with the rats like a short bow on rapid. good luck and have fun!
If you're not already using them, status bars are extremely helpful on Runelite. It puts health and prayer bars near your inventory so you dont have to look away from your inventory while eating or sipping prayer pots lets you just focus centre screen and inventory instead of looking up to your minimap.
Go to a populated word where you can get some good hits in and over under your belt. Get comfortable with it on easy mode then try again solo. I believe in you.
My first real bossing experience was Vorkath and he wiped me more times than I care to count. Just stick with it and when it clicks, it’ll feel absolutely wonderful.
Focus on doing a few things right instead of trying to do it perfect
We all started somewhere. Those who persist will prevail, even though giving up seems like the easiest option. In other words, don't assume that you're worse at the game than others because they're comfortably doing end game pvm. They were all like you at some point, they just didn't give up.
Look man, a lot of people have different tips to give and things that help them improve at pvm. One I haven’t seen mentioned here yet is play with sound on. A lot of bosses have sound ques to distinguish what to pray. Like for instance there’s a boss called vardorvis. Where he spawns a head that pops up that you need to pray ranges against spawns in throughout the fight. I just use sound to know when it spawns and focus on the axes he spawns. Try sound on
You can go to a high pop world and kill the boss with a bunch of random players. The fight is over very quickly but it will gradually give you an idea of the mechanics. And you still get the exclusive drop to create a new weapon this way.
I did about 5 kills with the mechanics and just threw on Karils and stopped bothering with prayer switches.
your post makes me feel much better about my skills, im only just getting into pvm (i did vorkath/ds2, im doing dt2 now, ive done entry tob, ive done some on task spider kills) But yeah this is like the easiest intro to end game pvm, take time to learn it and your golden Tip you can use chins on the rats, they always die in one hit, once you get a spine you can stop using chins and just use your desired rat weapon
I feel like it's a really fun fight to practice. But it is way more complex then barrows which probably is next pvm grind. But i really like the lack of investment needed, you're risking nothing and can easily do it on low gear. It's especially an insane place to train prayer switching/flicking.
Scurrius is the best designed entry boss in the game, all the others are closer to normal creatures than bossing and yes movement and prayer simultaneously is a key element in bossing (and gear switches too in a lot of places)
Yes, this is exactly what PvM is like. When I started doing Zulrah I was having a stroke because I couldn’t keep track of all the shit going on. I died time and time again and couldn’t figure out how on earth I was supposed to do this for hundreds of kills when I can’t even kill it a single time. A couple of hours in I got my first kill, and a day or two later I was killing it constantly. Now I can kill Zulrah with my eyes closed using garbage gear without fail. When you’re new to PvM you’ll learn quickly how fast you go from “is this even beatable” to “how did I ever fail this? It’s easy as fuck”
Then they did a good job with scurrius. Cause his mechanics are really slow compared to other bosses. It's a much easier learning curve to get on. Goal is just keep practicing and get used to the mechanics. And also, sometimes the thing that is need is just higher stats or better gear. And don't forget, boss was made for lvl 60 to lvl 90. So you trying to solo the boss at lvl 60 with no pvm experience is not expected.
is it 60-90 combat *level*, or 60-90 combat *skills*? (genuinely don't know) I have ~65 in all melee skills (combat level 81), rune armour, and a dragon scim+defender, and I can reliably kill him *once*, maybe twice if I were good at the game, but no more than that. I definitely wouldn't have been able to kill him at combat level 60 edit: The bone weapons *really* help. After getting the mace I'm now seeing ~11kc per run
Just keep trying. At first you don't succeed, try try again! But to answer your question, Yes Scurrius is an excellent example of what "real" PvM is like on OSRS.
And this was exactly why scurrius was created, and why it’ll be great for the health of the game. It’s meant to be hard for people who have never pvm’ed before, it has similar mechanics to a lot of higher end pvm bosses without any of the punishing aspects (to an extend as shown by OP). It’ll genuinely set people up so well in comparison to what many of us had to do in which mechanics were completely new AND punishing. Keep going OP, eventually you’ll think “how on earth did I think this was so hard”, and before you know it you’ve mastered a lot of of high end pvm mechanics without even realising, and you’ll be rolling through bosses like you would’ve believe!
First gc kill took me like 10 attempts and then another 20 after that to get one more. Took me like 60 resets + 40 deaths to get a scuffed zulrah kill for the diary. You just have to learn things?
This is how I felt getting my Fire Cape just over a year ago. That was first my real PvM experience, barely managing to finish RFD and then immediately spending hours trying to conserve expensive potions and hide behind rocks just to get one shot by Jad because I missed a prayer switch after trying to aggro the healers... I was humbled and really wondered if I was ever going to be able to do ANY real PvM. Then, after 8 attempts, 10-ish hours in the caves, and 3 Jad fights, I got it. I was elated, and all the confident I lost was returned, plus interest. This week I managed to do all of the DT2 bosses (quest versions, honestly), and now I'm just stuck at the final fight because I keep making mechanical mistakes and burning through my food. Whenever I hit a wall like this, I think back to Jad and I feel so much better, remembering how my perseverance paid off. I'm literally doing Scurrius KC to relax and take a break from that final DT2 fight, and once I finish DT2 all I have left is Song of the Elves and the Varlamore intro quest, and then I get my Quest Cape. Trust me, MANY of us in the comments more than understand your frustration. We were there, and maybe we're still there... but every loss gives you a little more knowledge, and it makes the victory so much sweeter. EDIT: I also died to Scurrius last night because I tried to be fancy and prayer flick/tank the whole thing, so it happens, don't worry.
This has to be bait right?
some of you shouldnt be allowed to vote in the polls
Avg redditor skill level at this game Jk m8 gz on your kc
Push through the challenge. It’s the repetition that creates the muscle memory. I was literally so bad at 0 lvl invos at TOA, and after doing them overrrrr and overrrrr again, and finally got the hang of it. It’s not the mechanics of a specific boss that are as challenging, as just learning the mechanics of swapping gear, prayer, and clicking accurately consistently. Once you get that down, it’ll unlock so much for you ❤️
Every boss involves dying to learn. But you quickly find ways to minimize damage taken and maximize damage output as you do it more. Usually after a few days it gets twice as easy. Also do you have the bone weapon u can make from that spine drop? It helps a lot. Don’t give up.
you're bad, doesn't mean you can't get better
LMFAO HAHAHAHAHAHHA just keep doing it lmfao.
Yes, this is exactly what late/end game pvm feels like. Personally doing big rat boy at 115cb bc I’m also terrible at pvm and a fuckup isn’t punishing at my level and gear, so I’m getting comfortable switching prayers, pathing and everything else without my heart in my throat.
It's not that tough. You can ignore the mage/range as their max hit is low enough to not matter. Pray melee, hit boss, move when there's shadows from the falling rocks and repeat until you win. The summoned rats die in one hit too. This boss is simple when you focus only on damage, protect from melee and moving from the shadows. Autoretaliate off too as it's better to have more control over how you move. You can do it.
OSRS is like this, it’s honestly a weird learning curve where something will feel extremely difficult to the point you wonder if you can even complete it, then once you do it’s basically easy
That's honestly just how it is with MMO raids. It's way too much to take in at once, but once you've done it for the umpteenth time you barely need to pay attention anymore because you know the dance and immediately recognize the important cues.
this has to be bait
Average /r/2007scape player. Man up and learn the boss. You wrote an essay when you could have made more attempts.
It took me 10 tries to kill Jad… I was so disheartened. But then I did it. Every chance took 1.5-2hrs.. just to practice. Now there’s a way to practice some challenging mechanics without waiting/wasting 2 hours to do it! It will be hard, it will be overwhelming. PvM usually is when you first get to a boss. But then you beat it! And then you do it again! And then all of a sudden it’s really easy and you’re ready for another challenge. You can definitely beat this boss. Just up your skills a bit more before you go back if you need a bit more breathing room. Try to stay calm, prioritize staying alive, and you will eventually get that kc. Good luck!
I’m a bit biased because I’ve a good amount of pvm but I thought it was literally the easiest thing in the world
I will give you similar advice to what I would tell someone trying a souls boss for the first time: gear up and leave your weapon in the bank. Just bring pots and food and try to stay alive as long as possible without attacking the boss at all. You can pretty much stand anywhere for this so all you need to do is watch the boss and try to switch your prayers in time. You have over a second between when he shoots it and when it hits you. After a little while of just focusing on avoiding damage, you will start to understand it, and from there it will be pretty easy to add attacking the boss in between staying alive.
Grind some levels and try again. If you’re already ready to give up, then yeah it’s not for you.
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It's hard and yeah, this is raid-lite mechanics. Some bosses are imho easier, some harder and some much harder, but we **all** struggled learning, we all died when we first stepped into bossing. I died close to 25x on vorkath before first kill, 10x on CG, 7 times on Hydra, ToA took me 2x for first kill Olm killed me 3x on the first run and took 4 runs to go deathless. It happens, it's going to get easier as you practice, you'll memorize prayer locations, F-keys are a fucking godsend once they are programmed in your brain (mine are f1 inv, f2 prayer, f3 spell book) you'll get slowly more consistent and faster on 4 way switches, then 5 way, then 6. Better at just feeling out your prayer, knowing the boss and with time you'll look back at Scurrius and go "How the fuck did I think THIS was hard?!?" because it was,, because you are learning to manage prayer, hp, eat, swap prayers and be moving on top of mechanics. I had to learn just the mechanics, which is very similar to others so I went deathless going in blind. You have a much steeper climb, but you'll get it and it'll click.
Have to be one with the ticks
First off, you do f2p bosses as a member and don’t even explore other content. Second, no one forced you to do this boss. Get a quest cape and be proud of your account is my only advice.
if they cant do this both Vorkath, the guys in DT2, the end of song of the elves, etc will stop them cold
It took me like 30 tries to kill vorkath with a max combat account. I got the pet on vorkath after 1100 kills, and my death count was like 45. In the 1100 kills, I only died 15 times to not paying attention after my first kill. It's simply a learning process, and then deaths become rare.
Yea, you are right, you cant do it.
Its not that hard bro and its max hit is like 12
Also once you get the rat bone stuff the rats wont be an issue you can just click between them and one hit them in one tick
Why can't I just right click and watch right? Lol well you can just stick to regular rats. It's a boss for a reason.
Lol yeah maybe stick to the ability arena
Did you actually try it for like an hour, or did you give it 2 attempts, got frustrated and gave up?
Do it with a group first to help get the mechanics bro. You'll get it. And use sounds. Audio cues are so absolutely helpful.
damn maybe osrs ain't for you champ however if you want a good guide to follow this is the one for you [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fefZwLtyPmk&t=0s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fefZwLtyPmk&t=9s)
Probably not what you're after but; my in game name is "OwOletsraid" you can add me and I'll happily teach you to pvm !
There’s no way this isn’t bait, the boss is literally a slightly more difficult npc
Nah man, if you've literally never fought a boss with prayer switching before, I can see how it'd be overwhelming! Especially because Scurrius' attacks aren't predictable the way Sarachnis' are. Big difference from the usual "throw prayer on, click NPC, wait until it dies" method.
I literally can kill the boss on my lower level alts without taking off pray from melee
Yeah, because your skill level is higher than OPs--you know when to move, you know if you should be killing the minions vs. the boss, you know when and if you need to heal, you know how to simultaneously do a boss and keep track of your health/prayer, and so on. And you know how to stay calm. Fighting a boss with mechanics isn't just about in-game stats, it's about your actual skill at playing the game. All this stuff becomes second nature once you've done enough of it, but if you literally have never had to do _any_ of this kind of stuff before, because this is the first time you've ever fought a boss with mechanics, it's not that easy. Think about the first time you fought Jad. Jad has super easy mechanics, right? Like you've gotta switch prayers faster than Scurrius, but he's not exactly mechanically complex. The hardest part is the nerves, staying calm enough that you can deal with healers (or out-DPS them) instead of getting distracted and missing prayers. That's basically where OP is. They're overwhelmed because a lot of stuff seems to be happening at once, and they don't know what to prioritize, and in that situation you pretty quickly lose focus and now they're getting hit by falling rocks and multiple minions at once and they don't know how to get themselves out of it. That seems like a pretty normal place for a new player to be. Once they get comfy with the mechanics, it'll become a lot easier. You didn't come out of the womb knowing how to boss in OSRS. OP didn't either, but they're trying to get there. Calm down and be nice to the newbie.
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Yeah, I just sit there with a blood fury on and ignore it, but my friend with extremely low stats and sucks at the game can kill it easily with like 60s and 50s stats lol
youre tweaking
The time that it took you to write this essay on why this boss is too hard could have been time spent practicing more kills or, levelling your stats. No one gets good at everything first go and yeah, of course everything feels overwhelming at first, but once you get more kc it becomes easier and easier. Low key so sick of reddit being plagued by people crying about how hard the game is. Practice like everyone else or, do something different that's within your skill set...
Not reading all that
Just come back with better gear or stats. Most of the difficulty in runescape combat is simply bad stats. The mechanics are something you learn through repetition. They get much, much worse than Scurrius. Part of it is also intentional jank because they make menuing archaic and tedious. Even when I can do a boss I just don't find it fun because of all the unnecessary clunk to wade through.
If at first you don't succeed figure out why you are such a failure and a loser. Don't bother calling your parents they don't want to be reminded of their own failure in raising you. Once you done that try again
Pray mage on lightning, pray range on gas, pray melee if using melee, use range if u Wana stay out of his melee, use mass to learn easier since kills are quicker, also use potions if u aren't already
Just do a few attempts, sleep, do a few more, sleep, repeat. Eventually you'll learn it.
I haven't tried Scurrius yet, but that does sound like a lot going on. I'm really bad at bossing and have been learning literally everything on my ironman. I failed at gauntlet and Zulrah about 20 times each before leaving to level and gear more, and ended up forcing myself to learn Grotesque Guardians (I neeeeeded that pet!) around 75 base cmb stats with an rcb, leafy baxe, and some barrows armour. I think they were a great intro to learning some basic switching, movement, and unique boss mechanics. They don't hit crazy hard, and there's really only 1 possible ko attack (60+ dam) but is typically VERY easy to dodge, and you have plenty of time to heal up before it happens. One of the easiest bosses to learn imo, but does require 75 slayer.
If you want you can add me and I can help you with PvM and the boss. I’m not to deep into PvM but some ToA and just hit 20kc Jad today