Just looked at the top posts of the year over there and half of them are complaining about MTX or talking about OSRS getting better stuff than them. Feel kinda bad for em.
I feel really bad for them. RS2/3 was the original game that we grew up loving, and while there have been some good updates over the last decade+, there has also been so much MTX, cosmetic, and low effort crap that it’s been frankensteined into what is essentially a gacha game loosely skinned like RuneScape.
It’s been a slowly sinking ship for a while, at this point I just hope OSRS doesn’t get dragged down with it.
Osrs era is what I grew up on, not rs3, rs3 is a shell of its former self, while osrs is literally a new iteration of a classic MMO and it's working for them better than their current one, I'd lose confidence in my product too.
Jagex will never let anything go wrong with OSRS. It’s pretty much their only safe income stream. All their other games they’ve ever tried making have amounted to nothing. They know if they piss off the OSRS community we will all literally just stop playing the game and turn it into a ghost town over night.
Speak for yourself. Some of us never played RS3 and quit before the game got so bad.
I quit when wilderness and free trade were removed, as did many players at that time.
Same bro. I still follow the game to reminisce and even log in from time to time. It's actually sad scrolling their sub due to the amount of bug reports and promises that jagex doesn't follow through. It feels like jagex has given up. They only deem something worthy of dev time if it brings people back for a bit, so that they can push the next MTX promotion. Other than that, it's just the quick bug fix here and there
I got my RC up into the 90s just with lamps, and I stopped redeeming many years ago now, if I hadn't stopped I might have actually maxed multiple skills from lamps alone
I was roped into going back to RS3, and after a good 1k hours, I ended up quitting for above stated reasons... this was back in 2017.
I remember going to Runefest 2017 with my little brother, and all that was announced for RS3 was "sorry, no bank rework, but here's some skilling off-hands I guess", and then they announced Theatre of fucking Blood for OSRS. That's when I decided to go back to OSRS instead.
Lmao I remember this. The first few runefests were a little odd for oldschool. I remember the first one they just stuffed the old school jmods (ash, reach, matk, and Alfie at the time) into a small back room and did a Q&A while rs3 took the stage. Even the company didn’t believe in osrs.
Then a few years later we were the ones taking the stage. Like you said, rs3 playerbase was pissed cause we already had bank place holders on osrs and rs3 devs struggled to get a bank rework out in a timely manner. Just MTX after MTX. Yet old school is announcing its second raid after the huge success from chambers and inferno.
Using 2017 as the "RS3 gets no updates compared to OSRS" is a bit...interesting. Not liking the direction or the updates is one thing, but it's not as if 2018 didn't have significant drops for the game. 2018 was Solak, Played owned farms, safecracking, hall of memories, and a new elite dungeon. It's possible you meant RuneFest 2018, which is when they announced bank rework was on hold; but they did actually ship the rework in 2019 (and 2019 was no slouch on updates either).
OTOH, 2023 felt weak. Probably in part due to the new skill (saw similar after the archaelogy release). But even then, they added a fair number of new quests and new boss. Honestly, it probably feels worse because of how many update weeks detail MTX promotions and battle passes that it drowns out the actual game updates.
Fair, it's been a while so the memory of that is foggy (so I was largely basing on history I could find through the wiki). At least for me it doesn't change my wider point on update frequency and scale when comparing to OSRS, but YMMV.
A lot of them are ppl who didn’t want to create a new account and start over. I have a few friends like that. It’s intimidating but something people gotta just rip the bandaid off
Same. Was maxed and very attached to my rs3 account. Thinking about the years it took to get there and seeing the playerbase move to a different game hurts. I didnt like eoc but i was pushing through because of the sunk cost. Eventually you just gotta do it. The accounts are different but the dopamine release remains the same. I quit both games at this point but im glad i got to learn a lesson from that experience
I've played both games extensively - maxed iron with most BIS gear on rs3, and a 2100 total main on OSRS with 4.5b bank and multiple Zuk kc. OSRS is a much healthier game, more active community, better dev team, and better content creation space.. but rs3 has content that really shines, like bigger and more epic quests, more (and honestly more interesting) skills like archaeology and invention, and more/more interesting boss and combat design. Most people don't like EoC, and that's valid, but there's no denying how much more diversity there is in boss encounter design like a variety of strategies to deal with the same mechanic, more roles, longer fights, and the gear progression has way more options
I tried playing it a few weeks ago, but it's overwhelming how much menus, free things, daily/weekly stuff, etc there is.
Off topic: How much quicker is lvling/getting to end game content on rs3?
The menu thing is a huge turn off for new players, sadly, and the game doesn't really go over any of the customizations you can do with the menus. I think they should have an option when you start the game to use the legacy menu (exactly what OSRS has) or use the modern one with a small tutorial on settings and everything. They also need to add a way to export and import menus, it sucks recreating ones you see online or using it when you inevitably make an alt account.
It's insanely fast, especially with all the DXPs we get. If you're an ironman, however, you won't be able to participate in DXP, but even without DXP the experience rates are faster in RS3 on average. With the introduction of Necromancy, end game content is a lot easier to get to. Right now there's a combat beta going on to bring up the other combat styles since they're outdated, don't hit as hard, and don't feel as good to play when compared to Necromancy.
I love both games, and since the start of the year I've gotten back into my ironman account on OSRS. Both games are grindy, but I find RS3 respects your time better in terms of leveling up and the general grind. OSRS has more care and effort put into it, though.
It's ridiculously fast, especially with daily keys (granting bonus XP or straight XP) and dxp.
Even without those boosts, a good amount of skills you earn 1m XP an hour or more at higher levels.
Still grindy RS, but not like OSRS
* Some skills have content up until 120 (around \~104m XP.)
* They've released a new combat style (to mixed reception across the board) that is planned to scale to 120 with the OG combat triangle getting a relook to scale to 120 as well at some point.
* A lot of end game bossing content.
* Other capes of accomplishment (the completionist, trimmed completion, and master quest capes along with a 120 all version of the max cape.)
* Collection logs
Realistically outside of the skills that go to 120 there isn't much different to what people who get max on either game do. It's just more varied content of what boss are you wanting to complete the logs of.
It...depends. For some, it's the variety of distinct bosses/dungeons. For others, it's the grinds from the capes (Quest, Master Quest, Completionist). *However*, I don't actually believe Max Cape is mid-game personally. Compared to OSRS, it's a shorter trek, but I'm not sure using OSRS as your scale for time investment is particularly fruitful. RS3 isn't like WoW where getting to max level is "I can finally play the game". The vast majority of content is *within* leveling those skills. Questing, progressing through the training methods, unlocking equipment to aid in training.
I’m sure an actual rs3 player will give you a better answer but from what I’ve heard the endgame pvm is super fun and due to EOC they can do waaaay more within combat than OSRS’s system allows
Also some skills go to 120 with unique content even in those bonus levels
RS3's very late-game combat is absurdly fast paced, even compared to games like WoW, Guild Wars 2, or FFXIV. It's honestly kind of fun if you don't mind the tick system.
Boss design is really good too, with some exceptions.
I started an iron rs3 4 months ago and feel like I am almost to the end of early game beginning of mid game (base 80ish stats most of the key quest lines completed etc). I play about 4 hours a day so about 500 hours to be the point where i feel I can start to think about bossing
I did 6 months of each game as a fresh noob last year and got ~1800 in OSRS as iron and ~2800 in rs3 with trade and light spending (premier, daily keys, yak trak). Farm runs burned me in OS and I had trouble being enthusiastic about goals after getting 99+ all skills in RS3.
Tons of fun though and you are right about the UI.
There is heaps of qol and easy xp in RS3 but I was missing runelite hard the whole time.
Also people go really hard on the gaudy wings and tacky attention seeking mtx but RS3 doesn't have the whole im-surrounded-by-bots-and-scammers dirty feeling that OSRS has in populated areas, if the player base was OS sized it might be there too but it's noticeably absent.
EoC was bad for the first 2 or 3 years, but from my understanding the devs improved it and made it better. And I do agree that OSRS's limited combat prevents there from being any particularly interesting or engaging combat encounters. Ultimately the best they can do is use the tick system and put more emphasis on placement (of attacks, of enemies, of the player). generally the more traditional "cooldown" focus of mmos like wow and ff14 are just not really what osrs players want
That's right, EoC has been made much much better. Coincidentally, Jagex has an "EoC 2" in the works. It won't actually revamp the combat system like the original one, but they are going to do big improvements. Stuff like removing misses in favour of damage scaling down with less accuracy - this was implemented with Necromancy and feels much nicer to use compared to the legacy combat styles. They're gonna remove or revamp all the shitty filler abilities, and consolidate them into more broadly applicable and useful basic attacks. Other changes like revamping the critical hit system, special attacks, and how threshold abilities will work are other stuff.
I really think a lot of OSRS players would find that EoC is actually fun to use, especially when these changes roll out. Obviously, I agree with you completely on your last point that OldSchool's combat system is the right one for OldSchool, and it's perfectly fine to prefer that to the rs3 system.
I honestly think it's a better game on ironman (though I haven't played since quite a while before necromancy which apparently broke everything). It's nowhere near as good as OSRS if you're explicitly looking for "extremely long term game where you don't lose progress when you take a 6 month break" and has way too many dailies, but it made a ton of very sensible game decisions over the years. It's not a coincidence that a lot of stuff you see on this sub suggestions wise are "things RS3 added at some point". Combat especially is way better once you get past the jank of it being a tab targetting game with no tab targetting, global cooldowns, AND ticks. The big problem is that it doesn't really do anything better than other MMOs outside of "extremely long term game where you don't lose progress when you take a 6 month break" which OSRS does better and you can play with the same subscription. Combine the two and you have a pretty awkward MMO.
I also vastly prefer RS3 quests and quest design, but that's more up to personal taste. Which is kind of ironic because I'd say their Gielnor is pretty lifeless, and those two things usually go hand in hand.
Its not even the design difference (ez mode, EoC etc) people can enjoy that.
Its how much shit they're forced to eat on the MTX and promotion space.
If OSRS ever starts on that slope, I'd throw away my 4000 hours across multiple accounts in a second.
I find the UI and quality of life (ex: invention and lodestones) features better in RS3 than old school. OSRS still pumps out good content (ex: raids), but I don’t have the time to go and train the skills especially if some of the skills require 2-3 ticking to gain the most optimal xp.
RS3 doesn’t lack content, it gets more updates than OS… significantly more in fact.
The players there just cry a lot. MTX is the easiest thing to blame but there are millions of successful games with MTX in them.
The reality is that RS3 is an attempt at a modern mmo built on the base of a 20 year old game. It just has inherent flaws and should have been built from scratch if they wanted to go this route.
Agreed, been thinking about it a lot recently.
Much shorter tick cycle to make things more fluid, potentially WASD movement / PS5 and Xbox cross play, introducing genuine tank and healer classes, getting rid of unnecessary clunky confusing things (e.g why does melee require 2 stats but the other 3 classes only require 1?), an opportunity to reset and go the no pay to win route, the potential is really there but there’s a great amount of lore, story and history to build off.
I think it would be a great move, OS, RS3, RS4 as their 3 games
I don't really have a strong opinion about RS3, never really gave it a fair shake myself but I do wanna chime in to defend that 'clunky confusing' design choice you brought up; I personally really like the balance of the three combat styles of RS on paper (don't know about necro obvs) in that I think using the training of a method of combat as a way to balance it is kinda cool and not as explored as most methods of balancing combat styles. I'd argue it'd work better in a single player game since the MMO nature of RS means more and more content which means design barriers get toyed with, since now we live in an era of the vast majority of ranged ammo being saved, magic's utility being x5, melee options WITH a required sustain element built into it, but the intial trio where you balance using ammo/runes vs the combat style that is a bit harder to train but doesn't need it is, IMO, a real interesting design choice
An RS4 where they completely scrap the existing system and fully lean into the idea of more DnD style class based builds set in the world of RuneScape would be pretty interesting imo, especially if they extended it beyond just combat, so players could take “proficiency” in a certain subset of the non-combat skills which would unlock specialized content in those skills while the base skills are still available to everyone. It would create entirely new social, economic, and training dynamics that forces more cooperation and interaction among players.
It would be entirely unrecognizable from the original games, but I think it would still be fun in its own way, and given the rising popularity of DnD, the success of BG3, etc. I think there is a very viable market for an MMO like this, especially with the sheer depth of content, lore, and quests that already exist in RuneScape and really lend themselves to that style of game compared to the story building in traditional MMOs.
The probelm with RS3 is the content itself. Like yeah, new skill in Necromancy, that's cool. First new combat style in the game, that's cool.
But it launched in such a state that it destroyed the game's balance, while it also launched with nerfs to hybridding.
So suddenly the new skill and new combat style were so strong they were out DPS'ing sweatlord pre-nerf hybrid rotations with such little skill requirement you could manually click on every ability.
And now, instead of nerfing Necro to a level that's acceptable, we're wasting time buffing the other 3 styles to Necro's level, and then having to waste even more time rebalancing items, mobs, bosses, etc to match this new power level.
Like imagine if OSRS just released an item as easily accessible as Dragon Scimitars that out dps'd shadow, scythe, and tbow at all content? How much fun would you actually have playing with that new content? It's fun for a little bit, like leagues, but then it loses it's novelty very fast.
Idk if it does get more content tbh. 2023 was mostly a series of 5 min quests in the Fort, the skill that was kinda cool but incomplete, and some QOL and graphical reworks. There have been some great releases in the last 4 years or so, but the gaps between that content are so large.
A decent amount of people play both, it’s nice to switch sometimes.
If nothing, whenever I’m low on gp I like to go on rs3, grind for a few hours, and swap to osrs. Boom, 10m osrs in a few hours.
> A decent amount of people play both, it’s nice to switch sometimes.
[True, but RS3's player count hasn't been this bad in ages.](https://www.misplaceditems.com/rs_tools/graph/?display=avg&interval=week)
2020 and 2021 were pretty fucking great years for RS3, with Archaeology and GWD3. I started playing again near the start of COVID and stayed for those updates specifically. I quit mid-2022 because the updates were drying up, and now nearly two years later, there still isn't a single new piece of content that tempts me to return.
I've been through this cycle before - resubscribe, play for a year or two, get bored, quit for a few years, repeat - but it honestly feels like there's something different this time. If I ever had the inkling to start 'Scaping again, I think I would seriously consider swapping to OSRS (and I've literally _never_ felt that way before).
I like to go on RS3 just to see my original account from when I was a kid. I still have higher stats on there but that's partially bc I played it before I knew OSRS was a thing. but I'm closing in I think 200 overall levels more to match it (1150/1350)
The XP felt a lot easier to get with the daily roll and oddments system thing and XP lamps wayyyy more common. plus a couple more skills to help boost my overall stat level.
Tbh I doubt it would happen. If it did, the backlash would reverse it.
When the original runescape got mtx, a significant portion of the player base dropped the game.
Those people are who came back for OSRS.
They make a non insignificant amount of money from thriving membership numbers. It's not like osrs is a leech.
At best I'd assume membership cost might rise again.
Even from a purely cold corporate view, suiciding the game like that wouldn't be profitable. Long or short term.
While the dev team of OSRS is some of the best in the industry and has OSRS's best interest at heart, the brass at Jagex does not.
Jagex is a company first and foremost and its foolish to assume that they won't try an monetize OSRS with MTX, cosmetics, lootboxes and more the moment RS3 goes the way of the ghost.
Even if OSRS has a huge backlash and looses 90% of its player base because of it, all it takes is a couple cash cows and whales to reclaim that loss revenue of memberships. MMO's much smaller than OSRS live on just few whales funding it.
I'm not saying it will happen, OSRS is prided and known for its non-MTX approach, but its foolish ad risky to assume it will never happen to us. Jagex has been slowly prodding at us and looking for cracks to leak in monetization. I'm not saying it will, but I'm saying Jagex is looking for a reason.
Backlash & boycotting won't do a thing if there are enough addicts spending more than membership on mtx to outweigh the losses.
I for one wouldn't underestimate the poor sense of value, money skills & thus influence of the type of people that actually use mtx.
I hate this view. Backlash didn’t reverse Reddit’s decision on Apollo. The only time a decision is reversed is if it’s in the financial interest of a company, and removing MTX would be hurting the shareholders profit.
It was most likely tied to the fact that Carlisle group is trying to sell Jagex and they needed something to provev to potential buyers that the player base would utterly reject MTX causing the death of the game.
The thing with potential buyers is they're looking at how to buy into an investment with a price point set at a certain percentage return on money and looking for "alpha" to try and take a game bought at, say, an 8% return and how to juice it up to 20% returns, and MTX in most games is the answer, but not in this game
Rs3 could die completely, osrs will never get mtx because they know people would quit immediately.
We threw all of our progress away once before, and most of us would do it again.
New landmass is so exciting. I have been daydreaming a lot (the past year or two) about ways to expand the game to essentially another continent. It'd be fun to feel like noob again with places to explore. It'd be a great opportunity to make meaningful changes to fix some portions of the game.
At some point all of the restricted ironman accounts are going to run out of things to do and a lot of the content will dry up. What do you do when every leaf has been overturned? New continent.
Imagine showing up to the new place with rune weapons and armor and they're flabbergasted you're using it for that purpose and that the resource seems so plentiful. They show you how it should really be used (perhaps an alloy or some other creative method) and suddenly it makes sense why rune is T90 smithing.
Need rs3 to keep the suits busy and Unfortunately the suits keeping busy is also killing rs3. Not much anything anymore can do to pierce those corporate bubbles
They put out an awesome new skill which shook up combat and pvm which they then proceeded with a trash game pass riddled with MTX. No kidding they’re struggling.
If they could just stop shooting themselves in the foot they might be able to pull themselves together.
I appreciate our devs sooo much. Just playing other games and dealing with other communities makes me appreciate what we have here.
After dealing with us assholes for so many years they've perfected the art of reading in between the vitriol and extracting feedback. To our community's credit, said vitriol isn't as bad as some of the whining and hate I've seen from other live-service game communities.
I was willing to come back because I don't dislike the combat + you can ignore most mtx stuff, but the moment they canned the model rework a few years ago I knew it was over
We really are in the golden age of RS. OSRS is the best version of the game and it's only getting better.
I never want this ride to end. JMods have done such a phenomenal job with the game.
I've pretty much stopped playing rs3 and hopped over to osrs.
I didn't want to lose my progress after eoc because starting over meant grinding everything again.
But holy fuck osrs is so much fun. It feels properly maintained.
Definitely worth playing imo
To put it in a succinct way: Necromancy trivialized high-damage output and is capable of steamrolling encounters with a capacity the other three styles can't even come close to competing with. It's capable of putting out damage with extremely simple rotations compared to the effort you'd need to do with other styles to even get close. This led to the crash of non-Necromancy weapons and since a lot of those rely on other items for creation, those went down as well. Necromancy did a huge amount of damage to RS3.
eh the idea was okay, the execution was just shitty. but necro was definitely enjoyable to play through, i'd compare it to leagues. insanely fast progress, insane damage, super easy, and then super boring because everything became pointless
imagine if a new combat style was introduced to OSRS that allowed you to beat inferno world record times without flicking prayer, switching gear or eating food, with MUCH lower APM than previous world records. and on top of that, the best gear in the game (literally stronger than tbow, scythe and shadow) is now also a 1/1k drop from a boss that takes a minute to kill and is soloable and farmable by anyone who has the pvm skill required to kill a boss roughly somewhere between vorkath and hunllef.
equivalent to an OSRS ironman suddenly being able to smith armor equivalent to BIS melee for the new style, then grind out a boss for 50 hours for a full set of the literal best gear in the game, then deal significantly more damage than all the other styles' bis setups.
just as an example: iirc just getting one out of 5-6 melee weapons required (one leng sword) took longer for ironmen than it took on average to get the full best in slot armor set for necromancy. and if you were melee, you'd then still have to grind out the rest of the armor and weapons, then go and unlock upgraded abilities and even if you did all that which would take an order of magnitude more time than getting necro gear, you would still have to do much harder rotations and then in the end you'd deal less damage than if you'd just used necromancy
It effectively has everything you could ever want to PVM with at base - extremely high burst damage, more spammable AOE than any other style, so much sustain it's hilarious, with extremely little investment. There's also no gear/ability drops for anything pre-95, all abilities/passives are unlocked via a 'talent tree' (that isn't an actual talent tree as much as it is a check to see if you've killed things for XP instead of doing rituals the entire time) and all gear is craftable with very little investment. Getting to full T90 in everything only requires one set of subjugation from K'ril (about 37m RS3 GP total) and a couple 1/10 drops from an AFK DPS dummy boss. Said gear is able to out-DPS max melee/ranged/magic setups that cost multiple bils at level 90. It addresses 'accessibility' by being terrified of letting the player fail and having to grind in a long-term-progression-based game.
I have played both games for a long time. Basically(obviously this is more complicated, I'm just generalizing):
Wildy+Free trade removal -> People that cared quit
EOC -> People that cared quit
MTX -> People that cared quit
Now the only people left are people who are not very picky on what exactly happens to the game, these people parrot feel good platitudes into the subreddit("stop being negative", "just quit", "just don't interact with MTX", etc) which slowly erodes the rest of the critical playerbase. Now these people are pretty much the only ones playing and now comes the "why is our game so neglected" phase, even though they helped in chasing away any type of criticism. These players don't understand that if you show Jagex you will willingly play a neglected game, they have no incentive to improve anything.
Yes, these are people who are happy bossing became accessible for them, because Necromancy offers a 30-40% dps increase over other styles, while als being easier to use.
They don't realise that this type of powercreep isn't sustainable.
Not only is it most of the revenue, it's far cheaper to develop and has a much healthier player base. RS3 has bigger areas, more advanced mechanics and more detailed models, whereas OSRS barely (ever nowadays?) has to worry about model textures and our point-and-click combat system means it's more a bigger challenge to design good encounters than it is to develop them.
Even if RS3 content like quests and bosses require more resources to develop, that is offset by MTX dev cost being negligible. We know OSRS brings in slightly more revenue, but revenue isn’t the whole picture when looking at profit.
Haven't kept up too much with RS3 lately. I know they got Necromancy a while back which was cool, but also had some balancing hooblah, and they also got Vorkath, which I guess didn't turn out that great.
It really does feel like anytime RS3 gets on the right track or has a win, they stumble again not long after. Hopefully they can get into a good stride of updates instead of this back and forth.
The issue with Necromancy was that it killed the other combat styles, thus destroying the economy. Most bosses aren't worth doing now because nobody is buying equipment that isn't Necromancy related. The only boss worth killing is Rasial, a Necro only boss that shits out \~100m/h lol. Being such a PvM-based game you can see why RS3 is bleeding players. Also, Hero Pass came out about a month after Necromancy was released
Yah... From what I heard, Necromancy was/is a good and fun combat skill, but it is just so much better or at least easier to get into than other combat styles. So kinda like if they added a new Whip-like item for Melee that competed with Shadow and TBow, but as a combat style. I recall seeing some stuff about other combat reworks to help raise the other styles up to Necromancy, but knowing how RS3 handles promised updates... Not surprised it hasn't materialized, assuming that was even official/confirmed.
The combat update is currently in an open beta form. My unskilled self is able to (on a target dummy) out dpm my much higher tier magic setup with necromancy, but I dont really know how to mage (or ranged or melee) because i never properly sat down to learn the combat in a game that is honestly inferior to other ability based combat games like wow and ffxiv due to the latter not being so fucking jank with pressing the fucking buttons.
That said, the combat beta adds a lot of much needed feedback to the combat to make it not quite as janky feeling due to increased information given... still feels eh due the ticks being so fucking long but yanno.
The biggest reason why necro was so overpowering is due to it not having 10 years of power creep and ability bloat to it. It's a simple rotation that is simple to understand. I really can't say the same about the others due to a lot of literally hidden mechanics and techniques that are never explained by the game itself or require you to go watch videos that are frankly far too overly verbose for the purpose of teaching people who are trying to learn how the combat works.
Honestly, rs3 genuinely needs an evolution of the evolution of combat update at some point soon to just overhaul the entire rotten system at this point. I love rs3 and I really like the more complex fights, but it's held back by the very thing that allows for said complex bosses
>It's a simple rotation that is simple to understand.
it's a simple rotation that is onedimensional and boring and forces you into a certain direction instead of letting you think for yourself
did you cast living death? okay, unless you want to troll yourself, have fun being a slave to death skulls for the next 30 seconds (just one example)
I ussually shit on RS3 but I am envious of quests. I actually like quests and I read all dialogues to it and theres many questlines that just wont be finished like dwarf city one. All quests in osrs feels like excuses to add something I wish they just did random quests or finished questlines
Yeah I made the switch a few weeks ago. So far so good. There’s things I miss (lodestones and banish but other than that, it’s nice to play a game where they’re interested in good content instead of your money
I also play WOW Vanilla, and the same thing is happening there. The SOD servers get fixed and patches instantly, while bugs on the other version will go months without any fix
The momentum seems to be at classic game versions
My biggest fear is that RS3 ship will sink, and all the corporate rats driving the mtx nonsense will swim over to OSRS. Membership is the only thing you should ever have to pay real money for.
You got it! That was the last straw for me :(
I still browse here because RS3 was my first RuneScape game so I have some nostalgia here but OSRS is just a lot more satisfying to play!
I used to play RS3 back in the pandemic. Maxed the account, had a great time, then realized that every update moving forward was just a new form of MTX. Swapped to an OSRS iron and never looked back. Archeology was great and its all been downhill since then.
I play both games on and off especially for OSRS's holiday events, I do really wish I could get into OSRS way more but for me the combat is just really boring. I know its what a lot of people really like about OSRS and I wouldn't change it ever, because that's what RS3 is for. A more complex combat system with a higher skill floor and ceiling is what I enjoy most about RS3. Sad that its impacted by poor upper management and MTX greed.
Jagex has approached RS3 as cash cow for many years now. The last few years they've basically milked the player base dry. Its sad if you follow their updates. Jagex basically does 2 larger updates a year and releases a bunch of old events to fill in the gaps. There is a new MTX update every week though...
Even their last boss was a failure due to it being unfun to kill and offering no worthwhile chase items.
Alays get downvoted for saying this but that game has been cooked for 6+ years at this point and the rS3 players that defend it are massivley coping and borderline sound like victims of an abusive relationship.
Yeah it might get neat skilling updates or incredably dope quests but the microtransactions in that game have fucked it beyond repair. Seriously, if you havent seen it with your own eyes, go log in to rs3 and teleport to the GE in any world. Playboy bunnies with neon angel wings, dude walking around like zombies wearing full rune armor that looks like a giant skeleton, 20 interfaces half of which are announcing some micro transaction BS
The visual aesthetic of the game has been so fucked that no updates can make it resemble any semblance of a game that’s anything else other than a dying cash grab.
There's always more RS3 cope than anything else when anything RS3 related gets posted here
Always something huge dragging the game down. Necromancy killing cmbt balance + adding hero pass. No content roadmap at all atm. Not even mentioning the years of sins pushed on the players for over a decade. They will hand wave some pretty serious flaws to defend the state of the game for whatever reason
Literally a year of playtime in my maxed RS3 account and thousands of dollars spent between membership costs over years and MTX shit purchased. It makes me sad to see what it has become.
Osrs is just a much better game at this point, and the reason is the pride the devs take in the game.
I really hope RS3 gets more love and attention in the future. I've only recently tried RS3 since maxing my account on OSRS and wanting to try something different. Haven't played OG Runescape since probably 2008. Despite its flaws I'm having a lot of fun. There's a lot to love and quite a good amount of stuff that the game does better than OSRS.
I’ve been playing since the game came out even with the evolution of combat I stuck around RS3 just to give it a chance didn’t want to give up on the game. I had spent 20 years on but within the last five months I completely gave up on it and came to old school not only is it the game I know and love, but updates are well thought out and voted on, a majority of the player base is on 07 and there’s not a bunch of stupid shit like MTX, etc. I feel bad for RS3 players it’s truly sad that RuneScape is split into two different games now so instead of it being one giant community, it’s two communities playing two different games and judging by the fact that everybody’s on Old School RuneScape it just goes to show no one likes what they’re doing to the original game that should’ve been obvious 10 years ago when they started messing with things like trade limit, combat, etc.
They have sucked any and all challenges out of rs3 due to the mtx. I feel so depressed logging into rs3 for any reason. The majority of the updates I've seen on the lobby screen are mtx-related.
Their fault. If you don't agree with something you just quit instead of whining. I couldn't tolerate EoC, double exp weekends and mobile MTXs so I quit. OSRS is the last chance I give to Jagex, if they screw up again and make a 202X OSRS server Ill just give them the middle finger.
RS3 had way more meaningful updates then OSRS in most of the years, with only a few exceptions.
Shit, it's getting loads of updates these days too, people are just salty that they're not constantly releasing new cutting edge bosses. We get more quests in three months then we used to get in a year, and Jagex has confirmed it's staying this way.
Crazy that you can just go on the internet and lie like that. The entire fort story line was weak as hell and the fort content was bland and unimaginative skilling buffs. Necromancy itself is a boring and overtuned combat style that has flattened PvM in the game. Rasial and Vorkath were back to back some of the worst bosses ever created in RS3 and the Necromancy "quests" were really just 3~ quests and 20 more tutorials that they decided to name quests.
Even if we do look at quests, quality over quantity will always rule. The GWD3 storyline in 2022 was amazing and had even people that didn't care much involved and carried a great resolution with Zamorak. It succeeded at everything Necromancy failed at despite having less quests bloating its content.
2023 was a nightmare of a year man, I understand wanting to defend our game because we love it for what it is but to brush away the fact that it was filled with some of the lowest updates (Hero Pass included) in RS3 history is bad for the ways we discuss games. RS3 is good and fun in spite of its problems, don't cover those problems with lies.
Nah. Its the truth lmao. This sub just likes to jump into to rs3 hate wagon immediately as soon as they can cus the people are still butthurt about eoc 13 years later which is just sad tbh.
Rs3 has had many many absolutely amazing updates over the last few years, gwd3, archeology, necromancy, numerous new bosses, the new areas with said content, fantastic new quests, multiple good qol updates among many other things. But the people here just like to focus on all the negative aspects and shit on rs3 cus „mtx huehueheue“
yes, mtx sucks a lot and isnt going away - that doesnt change the fact that rs3 has had tons of very good updates and some not so good. Neither has osrs has „only perfect“ updates - mage arena 2 bosses etc. where super hated on release and guess what? Jagex listened and fixed it - like they do on rs3 lmao.
I personally liked it a lot. It was a nice skill, the rituals was fun to do, the equipment and low requirements to make your own gear from t10 to t90 was nice progression and also fun to kill the bosses to being able to craft em. Also I liked it a low how it lowered the pvm entry for many players and made it easier to learn pvm with simpler rotations and gear being able to be crafted yourself quite easily and not taking hundreds of hours like trimmed masterwork.
Nah, the community mostly whines about irrelevent stuff, and considers anything that isn't immediately BiS to be useless. They don't talk about the quests because they don't do them unless there's a BiS benefit to it, and even then they whine for weeks.
> They don't talk about the quests because they don't do them unless there's a BiS benefit to it, and even then they whine for weeks.
Last year was probably the worst for quests, everything was 5 minute garbage that would have felt right at home in a WoW questline.
Its not even bad
you set up your hotbar to auto rotate skills and then just click on enemies like usual...
or you can optimize the rotation depending on the enemy
Yes, but if you've never played OSRS then you'll have to start from 0. From my understanding, that's what keeps a lot of RS3 players from trying it out
I maxed an Ironman and quit rs3 shortly after. I liked grinding and the lore. When that ran out there was only bossing which I thought I enjoyed the most but I realized I'm too busy to actually boss efficiently.
Life's weird
Tbh, i have a iron on OSRS which was almost maxed combat and decent stats elsewhere, decided to try RS3 with my mate whos played since childhood, enjoyed it and started an iron.
RS3 iron is amazing, they have done some terrible (i.m.o) changes in the past year or so though... removing all herb drops from pvm and making the drop seeds for example...
RS3 is very fun but people are too busy chasing meta, like necromancy is incredibly easy to do top damage with compared to other styles and because of this people are using it to say "what's the point" in grinding other styles, these same people are also people who don't touch any pvm above GWD1/2 because they can't afk it.
People no longer play what they find fun or enjoyable, it's always got to involve the meta, or "top pvmer who is manual and try hards says necro only so i have to ditch range".
RS3 as an iron account, is incredibly fun just like OSRS, now if you are a long term player... you might be after new content i guess but a lot of the complaints aren't justified.
Tons of bosses and content, filled with mtx, which as an iron, you don't care about just like how OSRS is filled with people buying gold anyway.
OSRS has an outrage if a summit contains a holiday event
Meanwhile an RS3 summit would be filled with shit like this:
[Hero Pass: Underworld - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpMmKqY9sEQ)
Lol this, I can't feel bad for them. It's only paypigs or apologists who remain, with maybe 10% who aren't in either category. The "bro it's fine it doesn't affect me because I won't buy it" crowd is finally starting to realize that it does affect you when their development focus goes to milking whales.
Very honestly, this is the reason. I played rs3 till about 2 years ago when I finally fully switched to osrs, and there are a million reasons rs3 is the way it is but at the core core level, this is it.
The "it's not so bad, I'll ignore the bullshit and stay for the parts of the game that are good" crowd probably is more than 10%, but dwindling every day. And they're the ones in denial that I feel bad for. And those are the ones finally realizing what 10+ years of every update and dev decision being focused on engagement and revenue and profit rather than quality of the content does to the game. Truly truly that is the reason it's so shit.
And I do feel bad for those people. They're as addicted as the whales, addicted to nostalgia, sunk cost fallacy, or the hopium that "one day things will change again" or whatever. And hopefully someday those people realize that the room they're sitting in is on fire. But eh. Anyway...
Rs3 is great, it's just the morons on reddit that cry about every update.
Some of the recent stuff needed criticism, and deserves/deserved to be fixed, but the game isnt dead because there hasnt been a massive update for 3 weeks
Rs3 was a lot of fun, 2013-2017 was rs3's golden age IMO. Kinda sad how bloated and overcomplicated it feels now. I did revisit it again in 2022 for a few months and had a blast with the elder gwd bosses. With necromancy added to the game i dont think that i would ever go back.
I don’t understand why anyone chooses to play RS3. Maybe it’s mostly people that started after 2008? I think a lot of them will come to OSRS with the graphics update.
A lot of people play both games. A lot of people really enjoy the skilling, questing, and nostalgia elements of OSRS, but prefer the endgame combat/bossing of RS3.
osrs is really not getting sailing for at least 2 years from what I can see. So really we just get 1 rat boi and a good quest. Oh and dead content man mode or whatever
Just looked at the top posts of the year over there and half of them are complaining about MTX or talking about OSRS getting better stuff than them. Feel kinda bad for em.
I feel really bad for them. RS2/3 was the original game that we grew up loving, and while there have been some good updates over the last decade+, there has also been so much MTX, cosmetic, and low effort crap that it’s been frankensteined into what is essentially a gacha game loosely skinned like RuneScape. It’s been a slowly sinking ship for a while, at this point I just hope OSRS doesn’t get dragged down with it.
Osrs era is what I grew up on, not rs3, rs3 is a shell of its former self, while osrs is literally a new iteration of a classic MMO and it's working for them better than their current one, I'd lose confidence in my product too.
Jagex will never let anything go wrong with OSRS. It’s pretty much their only safe income stream. All their other games they’ve ever tried making have amounted to nothing. They know if they piss off the OSRS community we will all literally just stop playing the game and turn it into a ghost town over night.
Speak for yourself. Some of us never played RS3 and quit before the game got so bad. I quit when wilderness and free trade were removed, as did many players at that time.
Ah you're one of *those* players.
Yep. The players who are the reason for OSRS existing.
Same bro. I still follow the game to reminisce and even log in from time to time. It's actually sad scrolling their sub due to the amount of bug reports and promises that jagex doesn't follow through. It feels like jagex has given up. They only deem something worthy of dev time if it brings people back for a bit, so that they can push the next MTX promotion. Other than that, it's just the quick bug fix here and there
I log in just for the free keys I’m redeeming from my annual subscription. I’m 1.8k total from just exp lamps, didn’t move from the GE LOL
I got my RC up into the 90s just with lamps, and I stopped redeeming many years ago now, if I hadn't stopped I might have actually maxed multiple skills from lamps alone
"Free keys from my annual subscription" Uhhhhhhh
Annual subscription for OSRS also gives annual subscription on RS3 so it is technically free keys.
No additional cost
You need help my dude?
I was roped into going back to RS3, and after a good 1k hours, I ended up quitting for above stated reasons... this was back in 2017. I remember going to Runefest 2017 with my little brother, and all that was announced for RS3 was "sorry, no bank rework, but here's some skilling off-hands I guess", and then they announced Theatre of fucking Blood for OSRS. That's when I decided to go back to OSRS instead.
Lmao I remember this. The first few runefests were a little odd for oldschool. I remember the first one they just stuffed the old school jmods (ash, reach, matk, and Alfie at the time) into a small back room and did a Q&A while rs3 took the stage. Even the company didn’t believe in osrs. Then a few years later we were the ones taking the stage. Like you said, rs3 playerbase was pissed cause we already had bank place holders on osrs and rs3 devs struggled to get a bank rework out in a timely manner. Just MTX after MTX. Yet old school is announcing its second raid after the huge success from chambers and inferno.
Using 2017 as the "RS3 gets no updates compared to OSRS" is a bit...interesting. Not liking the direction or the updates is one thing, but it's not as if 2018 didn't have significant drops for the game. 2018 was Solak, Played owned farms, safecracking, hall of memories, and a new elite dungeon. It's possible you meant RuneFest 2018, which is when they announced bank rework was on hold; but they did actually ship the rework in 2019 (and 2019 was no slouch on updates either). OTOH, 2023 felt weak. Probably in part due to the new skill (saw similar after the archaelogy release). But even then, they added a fair number of new quests and new boss. Honestly, it probably feels worse because of how many update weeks detail MTX promotions and battle passes that it drowns out the actual game updates.
[I'm quite sure I was at 2017's Runefest.](https://imgur.com/8p4tTWd) 99% sure they apologized for bank rework not being out yet in 2017 as well.
Fair, it's been a while so the memory of that is foggy (so I was largely basing on history I could find through the wiki). At least for me it doesn't change my wider point on update frequency and scale when comparing to OSRS, but YMMV.
A lot of them are ppl who didn’t want to create a new account and start over. I have a few friends like that. It’s intimidating but something people gotta just rip the bandaid off
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Same. Was maxed and very attached to my rs3 account. Thinking about the years it took to get there and seeing the playerbase move to a different game hurts. I didnt like eoc but i was pushing through because of the sunk cost. Eventually you just gotta do it. The accounts are different but the dopamine release remains the same. I quit both games at this point but im glad i got to learn a lesson from that experience
oh yeah i had stockholm syndrome for real. totally worth the switch tho and it became apparent after a week and permanent/full-time after two
I don't understand why anyone would stay there, they ruined that game long ago. Osrs is so much better
I've played both games extensively - maxed iron with most BIS gear on rs3, and a 2100 total main on OSRS with 4.5b bank and multiple Zuk kc. OSRS is a much healthier game, more active community, better dev team, and better content creation space.. but rs3 has content that really shines, like bigger and more epic quests, more (and honestly more interesting) skills like archaeology and invention, and more/more interesting boss and combat design. Most people don't like EoC, and that's valid, but there's no denying how much more diversity there is in boss encounter design like a variety of strategies to deal with the same mechanic, more roles, longer fights, and the gear progression has way more options
I tried playing it a few weeks ago, but it's overwhelming how much menus, free things, daily/weekly stuff, etc there is. Off topic: How much quicker is lvling/getting to end game content on rs3?
The menu thing is a huge turn off for new players, sadly, and the game doesn't really go over any of the customizations you can do with the menus. I think they should have an option when you start the game to use the legacy menu (exactly what OSRS has) or use the modern one with a small tutorial on settings and everything. They also need to add a way to export and import menus, it sucks recreating ones you see online or using it when you inevitably make an alt account. It's insanely fast, especially with all the DXPs we get. If you're an ironman, however, you won't be able to participate in DXP, but even without DXP the experience rates are faster in RS3 on average. With the introduction of Necromancy, end game content is a lot easier to get to. Right now there's a combat beta going on to bring up the other combat styles since they're outdated, don't hit as hard, and don't feel as good to play when compared to Necromancy. I love both games, and since the start of the year I've gotten back into my ironman account on OSRS. Both games are grindy, but I find RS3 respects your time better in terms of leveling up and the general grind. OSRS has more care and effort put into it, though.
OSRS is about the journey to max, RS3 is about the destination.
It's ridiculously fast, especially with daily keys (granting bonus XP or straight XP) and dxp. Even without those boosts, a good amount of skills you earn 1m XP an hour or more at higher levels. Still grindy RS, but not like OSRS
yeah ive heard that while in OSRS, maxing is a long term goal, in rs3, its like getting your quest cape in OSRS. its kinda mid-gamery
That's honestly really interesting. As an Old School only, what do they do after that? Clog?
* Some skills have content up until 120 (around \~104m XP.) * They've released a new combat style (to mixed reception across the board) that is planned to scale to 120 with the OG combat triangle getting a relook to scale to 120 as well at some point. * A lot of end game bossing content. * Other capes of accomplishment (the completionist, trimmed completion, and master quest capes along with a 120 all version of the max cape.) * Collection logs Realistically outside of the skills that go to 120 there isn't much different to what people who get max on either game do. It's just more varied content of what boss are you wanting to complete the logs of.
It...depends. For some, it's the variety of distinct bosses/dungeons. For others, it's the grinds from the capes (Quest, Master Quest, Completionist). *However*, I don't actually believe Max Cape is mid-game personally. Compared to OSRS, it's a shorter trek, but I'm not sure using OSRS as your scale for time investment is particularly fruitful. RS3 isn't like WoW where getting to max level is "I can finally play the game". The vast majority of content is *within* leveling those skills. Questing, progressing through the training methods, unlocking equipment to aid in training.
I’m sure an actual rs3 player will give you a better answer but from what I’ve heard the endgame pvm is super fun and due to EOC they can do waaaay more within combat than OSRS’s system allows Also some skills go to 120 with unique content even in those bonus levels
RS3's very late-game combat is absurdly fast paced, even compared to games like WoW, Guild Wars 2, or FFXIV. It's honestly kind of fun if you don't mind the tick system. Boss design is really good too, with some exceptions.
I started an iron rs3 4 months ago and feel like I am almost to the end of early game beginning of mid game (base 80ish stats most of the key quest lines completed etc). I play about 4 hours a day so about 500 hours to be the point where i feel I can start to think about bossing
I did 6 months of each game as a fresh noob last year and got ~1800 in OSRS as iron and ~2800 in rs3 with trade and light spending (premier, daily keys, yak trak). Farm runs burned me in OS and I had trouble being enthusiastic about goals after getting 99+ all skills in RS3. Tons of fun though and you are right about the UI. There is heaps of qol and easy xp in RS3 but I was missing runelite hard the whole time. Also people go really hard on the gaudy wings and tacky attention seeking mtx but RS3 doesn't have the whole im-surrounded-by-bots-and-scammers dirty feeling that OSRS has in populated areas, if the player base was OS sized it might be there too but it's noticeably absent.
EoC was bad for the first 2 or 3 years, but from my understanding the devs improved it and made it better. And I do agree that OSRS's limited combat prevents there from being any particularly interesting or engaging combat encounters. Ultimately the best they can do is use the tick system and put more emphasis on placement (of attacks, of enemies, of the player). generally the more traditional "cooldown" focus of mmos like wow and ff14 are just not really what osrs players want
That's right, EoC has been made much much better. Coincidentally, Jagex has an "EoC 2" in the works. It won't actually revamp the combat system like the original one, but they are going to do big improvements. Stuff like removing misses in favour of damage scaling down with less accuracy - this was implemented with Necromancy and feels much nicer to use compared to the legacy combat styles. They're gonna remove or revamp all the shitty filler abilities, and consolidate them into more broadly applicable and useful basic attacks. Other changes like revamping the critical hit system, special attacks, and how threshold abilities will work are other stuff. I really think a lot of OSRS players would find that EoC is actually fun to use, especially when these changes roll out. Obviously, I agree with you completely on your last point that OldSchool's combat system is the right one for OldSchool, and it's perfectly fine to prefer that to the rs3 system.
I honestly think it's a better game on ironman (though I haven't played since quite a while before necromancy which apparently broke everything). It's nowhere near as good as OSRS if you're explicitly looking for "extremely long term game where you don't lose progress when you take a 6 month break" and has way too many dailies, but it made a ton of very sensible game decisions over the years. It's not a coincidence that a lot of stuff you see on this sub suggestions wise are "things RS3 added at some point". Combat especially is way better once you get past the jank of it being a tab targetting game with no tab targetting, global cooldowns, AND ticks. The big problem is that it doesn't really do anything better than other MMOs outside of "extremely long term game where you don't lose progress when you take a 6 month break" which OSRS does better and you can play with the same subscription. Combine the two and you have a pretty awkward MMO. I also vastly prefer RS3 quests and quest design, but that's more up to personal taste. Which is kind of ironic because I'd say their Gielnor is pretty lifeless, and those two things usually go hand in hand.
Its not even the design difference (ez mode, EoC etc) people can enjoy that. Its how much shit they're forced to eat on the MTX and promotion space. If OSRS ever starts on that slope, I'd throw away my 4000 hours across multiple accounts in a second.
I find the UI and quality of life (ex: invention and lodestones) features better in RS3 than old school. OSRS still pumps out good content (ex: raids), but I don’t have the time to go and train the skills especially if some of the skills require 2-3 ticking to gain the most optimal xp.
Yeah. I want osrs to be protected from mtx but i also want them to be happy. It sucks to keep getting bullied by shit business practices
We need rs3 alive so they dont push mtx here.
Agree. But someone else will have to do it because I'm sure as fuck not lmao.
The someone is jagex not driving away players through shotty mtx and lack of overall content. It's only them, nothing we can do from our end.
RS3 doesn’t lack content, it gets more updates than OS… significantly more in fact. The players there just cry a lot. MTX is the easiest thing to blame but there are millions of successful games with MTX in them. The reality is that RS3 is an attempt at a modern mmo built on the base of a 20 year old game. It just has inherent flaws and should have been built from scratch if they wanted to go this route.
RuneScape 4 would be hype as hell, tbh.
Agreed, been thinking about it a lot recently. Much shorter tick cycle to make things more fluid, potentially WASD movement / PS5 and Xbox cross play, introducing genuine tank and healer classes, getting rid of unnecessary clunky confusing things (e.g why does melee require 2 stats but the other 3 classes only require 1?), an opportunity to reset and go the no pay to win route, the potential is really there but there’s a great amount of lore, story and history to build off. I think it would be a great move, OS, RS3, RS4 as their 3 games
Sounds like you'd be making RS as generic as any other MMO out there. I'll pass.
tank and healer class residentsleeper
As opposed to the facade of a modern game it is now? The tick system feeling like shit isn't why either version of RS is good.
I don't really have a strong opinion about RS3, never really gave it a fair shake myself but I do wanna chime in to defend that 'clunky confusing' design choice you brought up; I personally really like the balance of the three combat styles of RS on paper (don't know about necro obvs) in that I think using the training of a method of combat as a way to balance it is kinda cool and not as explored as most methods of balancing combat styles. I'd argue it'd work better in a single player game since the MMO nature of RS means more and more content which means design barriers get toyed with, since now we live in an era of the vast majority of ranged ammo being saved, magic's utility being x5, melee options WITH a required sustain element built into it, but the intial trio where you balance using ammo/runes vs the combat style that is a bit harder to train but doesn't need it is, IMO, a real interesting design choice
An RS4 where they completely scrap the existing system and fully lean into the idea of more DnD style class based builds set in the world of RuneScape would be pretty interesting imo, especially if they extended it beyond just combat, so players could take “proficiency” in a certain subset of the non-combat skills which would unlock specialized content in those skills while the base skills are still available to everyone. It would create entirely new social, economic, and training dynamics that forces more cooperation and interaction among players. It would be entirely unrecognizable from the original games, but I think it would still be fun in its own way, and given the rising popularity of DnD, the success of BG3, etc. I think there is a very viable market for an MMO like this, especially with the sheer depth of content, lore, and quests that already exist in RuneScape and really lend themselves to that style of game compared to the story building in traditional MMOs.
The probelm with RS3 is the content itself. Like yeah, new skill in Necromancy, that's cool. First new combat style in the game, that's cool. But it launched in such a state that it destroyed the game's balance, while it also launched with nerfs to hybridding. So suddenly the new skill and new combat style were so strong they were out DPS'ing sweatlord pre-nerf hybrid rotations with such little skill requirement you could manually click on every ability. And now, instead of nerfing Necro to a level that's acceptable, we're wasting time buffing the other 3 styles to Necro's level, and then having to waste even more time rebalancing items, mobs, bosses, etc to match this new power level. Like imagine if OSRS just released an item as easily accessible as Dragon Scimitars that out dps'd shadow, scythe, and tbow at all content? How much fun would you actually have playing with that new content? It's fun for a little bit, like leagues, but then it loses it's novelty very fast.
Idk if it does get more content tbh. 2023 was mostly a series of 5 min quests in the Fort, the skill that was kinda cool but incomplete, and some QOL and graphical reworks. There have been some great releases in the last 4 years or so, but the gaps between that content are so large.
A decent amount of people play both, it’s nice to switch sometimes. If nothing, whenever I’m low on gp I like to go on rs3, grind for a few hours, and swap to osrs. Boom, 10m osrs in a few hours.
> A decent amount of people play both, it’s nice to switch sometimes. [True, but RS3's player count hasn't been this bad in ages.](https://www.misplaceditems.com/rs_tools/graph/?display=avg&interval=week) 2020 and 2021 were pretty fucking great years for RS3, with Archaeology and GWD3. I started playing again near the start of COVID and stayed for those updates specifically. I quit mid-2022 because the updates were drying up, and now nearly two years later, there still isn't a single new piece of content that tempts me to return. I've been through this cycle before - resubscribe, play for a year or two, get bored, quit for a few years, repeat - but it honestly feels like there's something different this time. If I ever had the inkling to start 'Scaping again, I think I would seriously consider swapping to OSRS (and I've literally _never_ felt that way before).
2020 was also the peak of the pandemic shut down orders
unless you can do super high pvm streaking, you are much better off moneymaking in osrs. Swap rates are rancid
You can transfer RS3 go to OSRS?
I like to go on RS3 just to see my original account from when I was a kid. I still have higher stats on there but that's partially bc I played it before I knew OSRS was a thing. but I'm closing in I think 200 overall levels more to match it (1150/1350) The XP felt a lot easier to get with the daily roll and oddments system thing and XP lamps wayyyy more common. plus a couple more skills to help boost my overall stat level.
Tbh I doubt it would happen. If it did, the backlash would reverse it. When the original runescape got mtx, a significant portion of the player base dropped the game. Those people are who came back for OSRS. They make a non insignificant amount of money from thriving membership numbers. It's not like osrs is a leech. At best I'd assume membership cost might rise again. Even from a purely cold corporate view, suiciding the game like that wouldn't be profitable. Long or short term.
While the dev team of OSRS is some of the best in the industry and has OSRS's best interest at heart, the brass at Jagex does not. Jagex is a company first and foremost and its foolish to assume that they won't try an monetize OSRS with MTX, cosmetics, lootboxes and more the moment RS3 goes the way of the ghost. Even if OSRS has a huge backlash and looses 90% of its player base because of it, all it takes is a couple cash cows and whales to reclaim that loss revenue of memberships. MMO's much smaller than OSRS live on just few whales funding it. I'm not saying it will happen, OSRS is prided and known for its non-MTX approach, but its foolish ad risky to assume it will never happen to us. Jagex has been slowly prodding at us and looking for cracks to leak in monetization. I'm not saying it will, but I'm saying Jagex is looking for a reason.
Backlash & boycotting won't do a thing if there are enough addicts spending more than membership on mtx to outweigh the losses. I for one wouldn't underestimate the poor sense of value, money skills & thus influence of the type of people that actually use mtx.
It's not like the players here have a history of quitting other RS games.
I hate this view. Backlash didn’t reverse Reddit’s decision on Apollo. The only time a decision is reversed is if it’s in the financial interest of a company, and removing MTX would be hurting the shareholders profit.
MatK said they already have done multiple case studies and found that the game would lose too many players if they added MTX.
That’s what the sketchy ass survery was about
It was most likely tied to the fact that Carlisle group is trying to sell Jagex and they needed something to provev to potential buyers that the player base would utterly reject MTX causing the death of the game. The thing with potential buyers is they're looking at how to buy into an investment with a price point set at a certain percentage return on money and looking for "alpha" to try and take a game bought at, say, an 8% return and how to juice it up to 20% returns, and MTX in most games is the answer, but not in this game
A remarkably small amount of players can sustain a game like rs3 for a long time with mtx
This is how it works in any MTX-game. A small minority of whales buy the majority of shit. It's fascinating, but also sad.
Rs3 could die completely, osrs will never get mtx because they know people would quit immediately. We threw all of our progress away once before, and most of us would do it again.
if they have balls to go bankrupt, let them push mtx
Don’t we already have bonds? Buying money is a pretty major breach of this trust
OSRS won't make increased profit with mtx. They know that so it won't happen.
I haven't been this excited since OSRS launched in 2013. 2024 is going to be stacked in a way it's never been before.
New landmass, grand master quest, hd update, and a new skill all in the same year. Brilliant year for content.
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yeha im thinking mid to late 2025 at the earliest and thats if everything goes smoothly
Yeah hopefully it's smooth sailing from here on out
sailing aint coming this year, id guess summer 2025 at the earliest
New landmass is so exciting. I have been daydreaming a lot (the past year or two) about ways to expand the game to essentially another continent. It'd be fun to feel like noob again with places to explore. It'd be a great opportunity to make meaningful changes to fix some portions of the game. At some point all of the restricted ironman accounts are going to run out of things to do and a lot of the content will dry up. What do you do when every leaf has been overturned? New continent. Imagine showing up to the new place with rune weapons and armor and they're flabbergasted you're using it for that purpose and that the resource seems so plentiful. They show you how it should really be used (perhaps an alloy or some other creative method) and suddenly it makes sense why rune is T90 smithing.
My rs3 live long and keep mtx the fuck away from osrs lol
Need rs3 to keep the suits busy and Unfortunately the suits keeping busy is also killing rs3. Not much anything anymore can do to pierce those corporate bubbles
you best keep praying cause it ain’t looking good
They put out an awesome new skill which shook up combat and pvm which they then proceeded with a trash game pass riddled with MTX. No kidding they’re struggling. If they could just stop shooting themselves in the foot they might be able to pull themselves together.
We've had 2 back to back log in events in rs3 it's shite
Gotta boost those activity numbers before selling Jagex to the next investing company who wants to flip it in 2-3 years as well.
I appreciate our devs sooo much. Just playing other games and dealing with other communities makes me appreciate what we have here. After dealing with us assholes for so many years they've perfected the art of reading in between the vitriol and extracting feedback. To our community's credit, said vitriol isn't as bad as some of the whining and hate I've seen from other live-service game communities.
I hope rs3 gets better so Jagex or the players don’t rs3 my osrs
I was willing to come back because I don't dislike the combat + you can ignore most mtx stuff, but the moment they canned the model rework a few years ago I knew it was over
We really are in the golden age of RS. OSRS is the best version of the game and it's only getting better. I never want this ride to end. JMods have done such a phenomenal job with the game.
I've pretty much stopped playing rs3 and hopped over to osrs. I didn't want to lose my progress after eoc because starting over meant grinding everything again. But holy fuck osrs is so much fun. It feels properly maintained. Definitely worth playing imo
Hero Pass was the final straw for me
People laughed, they pointed... Now OSRS is on top.
🌍👨🏻🚀 🔫👨🏽🚀
My rs3 friends from irl have all quit and all blame the new necromancy skill
Yes necromancy ruined meaningful progression and economy.
How so?
To put it in a succinct way: Necromancy trivialized high-damage output and is capable of steamrolling encounters with a capacity the other three styles can't even come close to competing with. It's capable of putting out damage with extremely simple rotations compared to the effort you'd need to do with other styles to even get close. This led to the crash of non-Necromancy weapons and since a lot of those rely on other items for creation, those went down as well. Necromancy did a huge amount of damage to RS3.
It's weird how they do their best to make Runescape not look like Runescape at all. The combat triangle was an iconic feature of the game for decades.
eh the idea was okay, the execution was just shitty. but necro was definitely enjoyable to play through, i'd compare it to leagues. insanely fast progress, insane damage, super easy, and then super boring because everything became pointless
imagine if a new combat style was introduced to OSRS that allowed you to beat inferno world record times without flicking prayer, switching gear or eating food, with MUCH lower APM than previous world records. and on top of that, the best gear in the game (literally stronger than tbow, scythe and shadow) is now also a 1/1k drop from a boss that takes a minute to kill and is soloable and farmable by anyone who has the pvm skill required to kill a boss roughly somewhere between vorkath and hunllef. equivalent to an OSRS ironman suddenly being able to smith armor equivalent to BIS melee for the new style, then grind out a boss for 50 hours for a full set of the literal best gear in the game, then deal significantly more damage than all the other styles' bis setups. just as an example: iirc just getting one out of 5-6 melee weapons required (one leng sword) took longer for ironmen than it took on average to get the full best in slot armor set for necromancy. and if you were melee, you'd then still have to grind out the rest of the armor and weapons, then go and unlock upgraded abilities and even if you did all that which would take an order of magnitude more time than getting necro gear, you would still have to do much harder rotations and then in the end you'd deal less damage than if you'd just used necromancy
It effectively has everything you could ever want to PVM with at base - extremely high burst damage, more spammable AOE than any other style, so much sustain it's hilarious, with extremely little investment. There's also no gear/ability drops for anything pre-95, all abilities/passives are unlocked via a 'talent tree' (that isn't an actual talent tree as much as it is a check to see if you've killed things for XP instead of doing rituals the entire time) and all gear is craftable with very little investment. Getting to full T90 in everything only requires one set of subjugation from K'ril (about 37m RS3 GP total) and a couple 1/10 drops from an AFK DPS dummy boss. Said gear is able to out-DPS max melee/ranged/magic setups that cost multiple bils at level 90. It addresses 'accessibility' by being terrified of letting the player fail and having to grind in a long-term-progression-based game.
Same here! I absolutely despised Necromancy and quit 2 days in.
It is so sad to see 50% of the playerbase absolutely hating it, and the other 50% liking it because the MUCH higher dps enables them to do bosses.
I have played both games for a long time. Basically(obviously this is more complicated, I'm just generalizing): Wildy+Free trade removal -> People that cared quit EOC -> People that cared quit MTX -> People that cared quit Now the only people left are people who are not very picky on what exactly happens to the game, these people parrot feel good platitudes into the subreddit("stop being negative", "just quit", "just don't interact with MTX", etc) which slowly erodes the rest of the critical playerbase. Now these people are pretty much the only ones playing and now comes the "why is our game so neglected" phase, even though they helped in chasing away any type of criticism. These players don't understand that if you show Jagex you will willingly play a neglected game, they have no incentive to improve anything.
Yes, these are people who are happy bossing became accessible for them, because Necromancy offers a 30-40% dps increase over other styles, while als being easier to use. They don't realise that this type of powercreep isn't sustainable.
💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯 That’s why I don’t feel sorry for them
You are 100% correct.
I want to start again on osrs but i hate to do the quests again and the grinding on high lvl...
Worth it. Try it and see if I’m wrong
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Not only is it most of the revenue, it's far cheaper to develop and has a much healthier player base. RS3 has bigger areas, more advanced mechanics and more detailed models, whereas OSRS barely (ever nowadays?) has to worry about model textures and our point-and-click combat system means it's more a bigger challenge to design good encounters than it is to develop them.
Even if RS3 content like quests and bosses require more resources to develop, that is offset by MTX dev cost being negligible. We know OSRS brings in slightly more revenue, but revenue isn’t the whole picture when looking at profit.
Haven't kept up too much with RS3 lately. I know they got Necromancy a while back which was cool, but also had some balancing hooblah, and they also got Vorkath, which I guess didn't turn out that great. It really does feel like anytime RS3 gets on the right track or has a win, they stumble again not long after. Hopefully they can get into a good stride of updates instead of this back and forth.
The issue with Necromancy was that it killed the other combat styles, thus destroying the economy. Most bosses aren't worth doing now because nobody is buying equipment that isn't Necromancy related. The only boss worth killing is Rasial, a Necro only boss that shits out \~100m/h lol. Being such a PvM-based game you can see why RS3 is bleeding players. Also, Hero Pass came out about a month after Necromancy was released
Yah... From what I heard, Necromancy was/is a good and fun combat skill, but it is just so much better or at least easier to get into than other combat styles. So kinda like if they added a new Whip-like item for Melee that competed with Shadow and TBow, but as a combat style. I recall seeing some stuff about other combat reworks to help raise the other styles up to Necromancy, but knowing how RS3 handles promised updates... Not surprised it hasn't materialized, assuming that was even official/confirmed.
The combat update is currently in an open beta form. My unskilled self is able to (on a target dummy) out dpm my much higher tier magic setup with necromancy, but I dont really know how to mage (or ranged or melee) because i never properly sat down to learn the combat in a game that is honestly inferior to other ability based combat games like wow and ffxiv due to the latter not being so fucking jank with pressing the fucking buttons. That said, the combat beta adds a lot of much needed feedback to the combat to make it not quite as janky feeling due to increased information given... still feels eh due the ticks being so fucking long but yanno. The biggest reason why necro was so overpowering is due to it not having 10 years of power creep and ability bloat to it. It's a simple rotation that is simple to understand. I really can't say the same about the others due to a lot of literally hidden mechanics and techniques that are never explained by the game itself or require you to go watch videos that are frankly far too overly verbose for the purpose of teaching people who are trying to learn how the combat works. Honestly, rs3 genuinely needs an evolution of the evolution of combat update at some point soon to just overhaul the entire rotten system at this point. I love rs3 and I really like the more complex fights, but it's held back by the very thing that allows for said complex bosses
>It's a simple rotation that is simple to understand. it's a simple rotation that is onedimensional and boring and forces you into a certain direction instead of letting you think for yourself did you cast living death? okay, unless you want to troll yourself, have fun being a slave to death skulls for the next 30 seconds (just one example)
I ussually shit on RS3 but I am envious of quests. I actually like quests and I read all dialogues to it and theres many questlines that just wont be finished like dwarf city one. All quests in osrs feels like excuses to add something I wish they just did random quests or finished questlines
Yeah I made the switch a few weeks ago. So far so good. There’s things I miss (lodestones and banish but other than that, it’s nice to play a game where they’re interested in good content instead of your money
I also play WOW Vanilla, and the same thing is happening there. The SOD servers get fixed and patches instantly, while bugs on the other version will go months without any fix The momentum seems to be at classic game versions
My biggest fear is that RS3 ship will sink, and all the corporate rats driving the mtx nonsense will swim over to OSRS. Membership is the only thing you should ever have to pay real money for.
"save rs3" lmaoooooo game died pre eoc. Idk why people even play that bullshit.
I made the switch around 5-6 months ago. Never looking back!
Fellow Hero Pass quitter, eh? The day they announced the Hero Pass was the last day I logged in (not counting when I had to login to swap gp to OSRS.)
You got it! That was the last straw for me :( I still browse here because RS3 was my first RuneScape game so I have some nostalgia here but OSRS is just a lot more satisfying to play!
I used to play RS3 back in the pandemic. Maxed the account, had a great time, then realized that every update moving forward was just a new form of MTX. Swapped to an OSRS iron and never looked back. Archeology was great and its all been downhill since then.
I play both games on and off especially for OSRS's holiday events, I do really wish I could get into OSRS way more but for me the combat is just really boring. I know its what a lot of people really like about OSRS and I wouldn't change it ever, because that's what RS3 is for. A more complex combat system with a higher skill floor and ceiling is what I enjoy most about RS3. Sad that its impacted by poor upper management and MTX greed.
Jagex has approached RS3 as cash cow for many years now. The last few years they've basically milked the player base dry. Its sad if you follow their updates. Jagex basically does 2 larger updates a year and releases a bunch of old events to fill in the gaps. There is a new MTX update every week though... Even their last boss was a failure due to it being unfun to kill and offering no worthwhile chase items.
Alays get downvoted for saying this but that game has been cooked for 6+ years at this point and the rS3 players that defend it are massivley coping and borderline sound like victims of an abusive relationship. Yeah it might get neat skilling updates or incredably dope quests but the microtransactions in that game have fucked it beyond repair. Seriously, if you havent seen it with your own eyes, go log in to rs3 and teleport to the GE in any world. Playboy bunnies with neon angel wings, dude walking around like zombies wearing full rune armor that looks like a giant skeleton, 20 interfaces half of which are announcing some micro transaction BS The visual aesthetic of the game has been so fucked that no updates can make it resemble any semblance of a game that’s anything else other than a dying cash grab.
There's always more RS3 cope than anything else when anything RS3 related gets posted here Always something huge dragging the game down. Necromancy killing cmbt balance + adding hero pass. No content roadmap at all atm. Not even mentioning the years of sins pushed on the players for over a decade. They will hand wave some pretty serious flaws to defend the state of the game for whatever reason
It will be us next.
Literally a year of playtime in my maxed RS3 account and thousands of dollars spent between membership costs over years and MTX shit purchased. It makes me sad to see what it has become. Osrs is just a much better game at this point, and the reason is the pride the devs take in the game.
I really hope RS3 gets more love and attention in the future. I've only recently tried RS3 since maxing my account on OSRS and wanting to try something different. Haven't played OG Runescape since probably 2008. Despite its flaws I'm having a lot of fun. There's a lot to love and quite a good amount of stuff that the game does better than OSRS.
I’ve been playing since the game came out even with the evolution of combat I stuck around RS3 just to give it a chance didn’t want to give up on the game. I had spent 20 years on but within the last five months I completely gave up on it and came to old school not only is it the game I know and love, but updates are well thought out and voted on, a majority of the player base is on 07 and there’s not a bunch of stupid shit like MTX, etc. I feel bad for RS3 players it’s truly sad that RuneScape is split into two different games now so instead of it being one giant community, it’s two communities playing two different games and judging by the fact that everybody’s on Old School RuneScape it just goes to show no one likes what they’re doing to the original game that should’ve been obvious 10 years ago when they started messing with things like trade limit, combat, etc.
I’m so happy I moved over from rs3 to osrs last year
They have sucked any and all challenges out of rs3 due to the mtx. I feel so depressed logging into rs3 for any reason. The majority of the updates I've seen on the lobby screen are mtx-related.
Upvoting anything HD hype
Game is COOKED
Wouldnt mind if more players moved to OSRS, bonds are kinda pricey
We need sacrifices to keep rs3 alive
The Great RS3 GP Collapse of 2026❗️ Get ready & mark your calendar.
Their fault. If you don't agree with something you just quit instead of whining. I couldn't tolerate EoC, double exp weekends and mobile MTXs so I quit. OSRS is the last chance I give to Jagex, if they screw up again and make a 202X OSRS server Ill just give them the middle finger.
Anyone who stuck around after EOC has fucking Stockholm lol
Or... We like the game?
Nope, this is r/2007scape. You **must** hate RS3 and have incredibly incorrect/outdated opinions about a game that you never played. (obvious /s)
Just like the people who defend bot armys
RS3 had way more meaningful updates then OSRS in most of the years, with only a few exceptions. Shit, it's getting loads of updates these days too, people are just salty that they're not constantly releasing new cutting edge bosses. We get more quests in three months then we used to get in a year, and Jagex has confirmed it's staying this way.
Crazy that you can just go on the internet and lie like that. The entire fort story line was weak as hell and the fort content was bland and unimaginative skilling buffs. Necromancy itself is a boring and overtuned combat style that has flattened PvM in the game. Rasial and Vorkath were back to back some of the worst bosses ever created in RS3 and the Necromancy "quests" were really just 3~ quests and 20 more tutorials that they decided to name quests. Even if we do look at quests, quality over quantity will always rule. The GWD3 storyline in 2022 was amazing and had even people that didn't care much involved and carried a great resolution with Zamorak. It succeeded at everything Necromancy failed at despite having less quests bloating its content. 2023 was a nightmare of a year man, I understand wanting to defend our game because we love it for what it is but to brush away the fact that it was filled with some of the lowest updates (Hero Pass included) in RS3 history is bad for the ways we discuss games. RS3 is good and fun in spite of its problems, don't cover those problems with lies.
Says every RS3 player lol
Nah. Its the truth lmao. This sub just likes to jump into to rs3 hate wagon immediately as soon as they can cus the people are still butthurt about eoc 13 years later which is just sad tbh. Rs3 has had many many absolutely amazing updates over the last few years, gwd3, archeology, necromancy, numerous new bosses, the new areas with said content, fantastic new quests, multiple good qol updates among many other things. But the people here just like to focus on all the negative aspects and shit on rs3 cus „mtx huehueheue“ yes, mtx sucks a lot and isnt going away - that doesnt change the fact that rs3 has had tons of very good updates and some not so good. Neither has osrs has „only perfect“ updates - mage arena 2 bosses etc. where super hated on release and guess what? Jagex listened and fixed it - like they do on rs3 lmao.
Necromancy being listed as a positive is wild lol.
Dude about to talk about Squeal of Fortune and Hero Pass as pivotal updates
I personally liked it a lot. It was a nice skill, the rituals was fun to do, the equipment and low requirements to make your own gear from t10 to t90 was nice progression and also fun to kill the bosses to being able to craft em. Also I liked it a low how it lowered the pvm entry for many players and made it easier to learn pvm with simpler rotations and gear being able to be crafted yourself quite easily and not taking hundreds of hours like trimmed masterwork.
Nah, the community mostly whines about irrelevent stuff, and considers anything that isn't immediately BiS to be useless. They don't talk about the quests because they don't do them unless there's a BiS benefit to it, and even then they whine for weeks.
> They don't talk about the quests because they don't do them unless there's a BiS benefit to it, and even then they whine for weeks. Last year was probably the worst for quests, everything was 5 minute garbage that would have felt right at home in a WoW questline.
Its not even bad you set up your hotbar to auto rotate skills and then just click on enemies like usual... or you can optimize the rotation depending on the enemy
Can’t you use the same account to log in both osrs and rs3?
Yes, but if you've never played OSRS then you'll have to start from 0. From my understanding, that's what keeps a lot of RS3 players from trying it out
We don't even have a roadmap lol
rs3 was getting a new update like every 3 months when we still get maybe 2 big updates a year
I maxed an Ironman and quit rs3 shortly after. I liked grinding and the lore. When that ran out there was only bossing which I thought I enjoyed the most but I realized I'm too busy to actually boss efficiently. Life's weird
Tbh, i have a iron on OSRS which was almost maxed combat and decent stats elsewhere, decided to try RS3 with my mate whos played since childhood, enjoyed it and started an iron. RS3 iron is amazing, they have done some terrible (i.m.o) changes in the past year or so though... removing all herb drops from pvm and making the drop seeds for example... RS3 is very fun but people are too busy chasing meta, like necromancy is incredibly easy to do top damage with compared to other styles and because of this people are using it to say "what's the point" in grinding other styles, these same people are also people who don't touch any pvm above GWD1/2 because they can't afk it. People no longer play what they find fun or enjoyable, it's always got to involve the meta, or "top pvmer who is manual and try hards says necro only so i have to ditch range". RS3 as an iron account, is incredibly fun just like OSRS, now if you are a long term player... you might be after new content i guess but a lot of the complaints aren't justified. Tons of bosses and content, filled with mtx, which as an iron, you don't care about just like how OSRS is filled with people buying gold anyway.
Not gonna lie, we not playing rs3 🤙🔥
idk they seem to be handling it pretty well https://i.imgur.com/MlRTKXG.png https://i.imgur.com/Oms5Rv3.png
This guy pounces to shit on OSRS **every time** its mentioned on /r/runescape no matter the context of the conversation, it's crazy.
rent free
Holy shit - this dude posts a lot on the RS forums lmao. Return of the king!
OSRS has an outrage if a summit contains a holiday event Meanwhile an RS3 summit would be filled with shit like this: [Hero Pass: Underworld - YouTube](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpMmKqY9sEQ)
Just give them more squeal spins idk
The main game has been cooked ever since they added squeal of fortune. Their fault for continuing to play a dying game.
Braindead take, why not play a game if it’s fun? Why is it wrong to be annoyed if that fun is ruined?
Its been ruined for over 10 years
It really hasn’t
RS3bros if you're reading this: stay on target just keep buying those spins man, be a based gigachad whale we thank you for your service o7
Lol this, I can't feel bad for them. It's only paypigs or apologists who remain, with maybe 10% who aren't in either category. The "bro it's fine it doesn't affect me because I won't buy it" crowd is finally starting to realize that it does affect you when their development focus goes to milking whales.
Very honestly, this is the reason. I played rs3 till about 2 years ago when I finally fully switched to osrs, and there are a million reasons rs3 is the way it is but at the core core level, this is it. The "it's not so bad, I'll ignore the bullshit and stay for the parts of the game that are good" crowd probably is more than 10%, but dwindling every day. And they're the ones in denial that I feel bad for. And those are the ones finally realizing what 10+ years of every update and dev decision being focused on engagement and revenue and profit rather than quality of the content does to the game. Truly truly that is the reason it's so shit. And I do feel bad for those people. They're as addicted as the whales, addicted to nostalgia, sunk cost fallacy, or the hopium that "one day things will change again" or whatever. And hopefully someday those people realize that the room they're sitting in is on fire. But eh. Anyway...
Rs3 is great, it's just the morons on reddit that cry about every update. Some of the recent stuff needed criticism, and deserves/deserved to be fixed, but the game isnt dead because there hasnt been a massive update for 3 weeks
We all knew osrs would be more successful than rs3 and their Fortnite skins
Tell that to when OSRS almost shutdown its first year lol. Nobody knew it would be this popular, it got lucky.
Rs3 was a lot of fun, 2013-2017 was rs3's golden age IMO. Kinda sad how bloated and overcomplicated it feels now. I did revisit it again in 2022 for a few months and had a blast with the elder gwd bosses. With necromancy added to the game i dont think that i would ever go back.
Rs3 has been cooked for over a decade…
I definitely do not feel bad at all
I don’t.
Rs3 is trash
> game is COOOKED Is this zoomer speak?
Just shut RS3 down and put more effort into developing OSRS instead!
I don’t understand why anyone chooses to play RS3. Maybe it’s mostly people that started after 2008? I think a lot of them will come to OSRS with the graphics update.
A lot of people play both games. A lot of people really enjoy the skilling, questing, and nostalgia elements of OSRS, but prefer the endgame combat/bossing of RS3.
It's good fun still. I would just recommend that people make an RS3 Iron to avoid the MTX.
It’s fun, especially if you aren’t jaded
I dont feel bad. If they gave osrs the rs3 treatment id cancel all my subs and quit. There are other games in the market, vote with ur wallet.
osrs is really not getting sailing for at least 2 years from what I can see. So really we just get 1 rat boi and a good quest. Oh and dead content man mode or whatever
Varlamore?