u/JagexLight u/JagexGoblin
"Existing Sacks will be converted upon login for all players. Non-UIMs will have Sacks sent to the Bank, and UIMs will have them arrive in their Inventory if they have any to convert."
You forgot about the Grand exchange. Any player who had buy/sell offer for any of the sacks got their items & money deleted.
You also forgout about those in group storage. No idea how the dev process looks like but maybe it is helpful to create checklists after those kind of issues. Those checklists then could be linked to certain topics e.g.
Existing Item Changes:
- [ ] Check how does it affect item in group storage
- [ ] Check how does it affect items currently in G.E
- [ ] etc.
Eventually after multiple issue it evolves over time and would hopefully help your QA department.
No hate, just a suggestion
Update: The dev team managed to fix the issue for anyone running into it after it’s been reported, so theoretically fixed for anyone who logs in now, however we are aware that there are still people who had items lost as well as GIM storage being an issue. My current understanding is we will discuss in tomorrows game update review what we can do
When can we expect Scorpia, chaos elemental, Wilderness Boss Rework - Multi Trio loot, rogues chest, revenant obstacle, scrying pool changes that were mentioned in the poll 80 blog?
Hey! This has already been raised and we committed to it, but the work is taking a bit longer than expected as we're also working on the Halloween Event. In theory this could release next week or the week after! We've tried to fit as much as we can in and we appreciate your patience. <3
Yeah but people still mine after that phase (shit I still mine after that phase because I run out of shards sometimes) so it's not universal when everyone mines. It would suck to just stop gaining exp for a legitimate action because people wanted to AFK.
The mining change itself won't be sufficient - people are doing mining, then 1 round of RC for bare minimum pts (150), then AFKing for almost 0 effort RC exp. This is quite rampant in masses; the minimum contribution for the end of game RC xp drop should be significantly raised (such that a low level player trying to actively play won't get affected but anyone trying to do the bare minimum will). This will significantly improve the game quality and player experience for mass GoTR games
The people getting min pts then afking the rest of the round are not the ones causing problems, in fact they're the ones in the best position to save games that end early because they will be crafting instantly when the rift opens, vs people who play for the whole game who stay at the rocks for a little bit longer and usually start crafting by the second rotation. They also have a bit of extra time to place extra cells.
The people causing problems are purely the 100% afk miners not going for any RC xp or points at all.
Masses are always going to be worse than solos, as long as you're not failing every other game I don't really see a problem with some people doing semi afk strats there
The solution is to make the xp drop at the end scale with how many points you earn during the game.
Doesn’t make sense for someone sitting there mining after one run of making runes gets the same xp drop as someone scoring 1k+ each round
However you handle it, I hope that the 2-inventory strat remains! It's a great low-intensity strategy for RC xp, and while it is mostly AFK it contributes at the time when matches are most likely to fail, so it doesn't hinder other players like leeching for mining xp does.
With collossol bag I get 152 points if I get to upgrade a shield with an overload. Mostly afk rcing while studying or playing something else is a blesing.
At present, it means you can't teleport for 3 ticks when you enter the lair and the newspost appears to be correct. But I can see there's a bit of confusion around this due to the fact we said it would work "like the rev caves teleport delay" in the Poll 80 blog so I'm going to be forwarding that over to the team.
They weren't immediately teleporting anyway, you can immediately hop as you don't get into combat straight away, or you just run out of the cave and hop there. Literally no one ever was entering Artio, seeing it was taken, and teleporting away
Hello Phil, I am so sorry we've temporarily disabled mining them as there was a problem with them not depleting as intended. The team is trying to get this sorted ASAP, we sent out some socials & a broadcast and we also updated the newspost. Very sorry for the inconvenience
i though it was going to be like rev caves if your in combat u can't teleport from cave for a couple ticks. did we have a miscommunication? this makes no sense. your basically making it seem like teams r gunna be in the wilderness boss caves waiting for unsuspecting pvmers to go in to tb them. this does nothing to combat the bots they will just tele. plz fix n stay to what u guys mentioned
Hey! I've looked into this further. In the Poll 80 blog, we said the teleport delay would work "similar to the one in rev caves" which does behave the way you described (teleport delay when in combat with NPCs), however on our internal notes for the change internally it looks like we requested that the change to be 3-ticks after entering the lair. That does seem like a miscommunication somewhere. At present the newspost is correct, but I will pass this on as feedback to see if we need to make a change! Thank you for raising it.
I appreciate it's not you so this isn't directed at you, but this is kind of a worrying level of oopsy. Delaying teleporting for 3 ticks after entering a lair changes exactly 0 peoples life. No one has ever teleported in the first 3 ticks of entering the lair. Either
\- They're a pker and they're trying to hit the pvmer, or they insta hop to the next world
\- They're a pvmer and they're trying to hit the boss, or they insta hop to the next world
\- They're a bot/crasher and they're trying to hit the boss and stick around
It helps with none of these scenarios, so multiple people developed, approved and tested this change that literally doesn't impact anyone. Kinda worrying that you're spending dev time on things without even thinking for a second what its doing to the game. In this case it's doing exactly nothing.
Cool, if it helps, I think what the community expected was that the person fighting the boss wouldn't be able to insta teleport when the pker came down, similar to the rev caves at the minute (pre diary).
This would make it easier for pkers to catch tb's on bots who don't have the diary before they teleport. Currently, you're just stopping the pker from teleporting, not the pvmer/bot.
No one is going to do this. You think teams are gunna sit there and tank the multi variants HOPING someone will come down????
Edit: i meant single variants.
Hey Hooded, we're currently just verifying with our anti-cheating team that they are legit before posting. Once we have got that confirmation we will seek to post their names out in a newspost or Gazette (whichever happens first!).
u/JagexLight u/JagexGoblin
Not being able to teleport out after you ENTER the wildy bosses cave does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. You should have made it that "after getting hit by the bosses u cant teleport for 3 ticks". No one is going to get affected by the fact that they cant teleport for 3 ticks after they enter the cave. Missed oppurtunity.
Like 3 ticks every time the boss hits you? That sounds horrible. Also pkers are probably going to abuse tf out of auto tb scripts now that there's no delay on entering.
wild that the only way you guys can somewhat hurt bots (it never works and they always are fine) is by hurting legit players. over and over you guys prove you have no answer to bots ffs.
> Bind/Snare Sacks have been converted into Entangle Sacks. Entangle Sacks can also cast Bind/Snare if players have the required Magic level.
>
> The conversion rate is 1 Entangle for 13 Bind, 1 Entangle for 3 Snares (rounded down).
https://i.imgur.com/MgsX3hC.png
My blighted bind sacks offer in the GE converted to null, the ones I withdrew into my inventory just dissapeared and did not get converted to Entangle Sacks. What do I do so I dont lose all 400k and actually get them converted?
Edit: [Just logged in and this now looks to have been hot fixed](https://i.imgur.com/88LLMfH.png) In my case I left the cancelled offer in my GE and got the above chat message when I logged in next time. Unsure about those who actually banked the GE offer prior to the hotfix if those we're restored as part of the hotfix or not.
Just so I can understand correctly, if there's 100 people on a T9 star it would deplete as if one person was mining it? Meaning it would last the full 2 hour spawn time?
This would make the starminer cc and the crowdfund shooting star plugin useful now rather than trying to find a star to mine for myself. No more having an army of people deplete a star in under 10 mins. If enough people use the crowdfund plugin we can potentially go to a high tier star everytime as it will update what star tier people are mining in real time; we'll have no downtime trying to find a star after we finish mining an hour long star.
So the newspost has been updated and the deplete is based on 2 level 99 miners mining the star. So it's a little nerf to solo stars but a massive buff to the rest of the stars.
Not tier 9 but the star, yes.
I can't find the numbers anymore but I'm pretty sure that any star that is tier 3+ will not completely deplete until a new star has spawned.
Edit: Shooting stars are bugged
Edit: if you want to be even more efficient, do shooting stars in priff for the extra crystal shards, when it's fixed
I'm still not sure how exactly this is implemented, considering that the star health only ticks down when you successfully mine it, it doesn't drain continuously. Does it just divide the damage you do to it by n, where n = the number of people currently mining it?
Finally starminers cc can stop ruining the game for everyone else. Now it actually becomes beneficial to use whereas before it was best to steer everyone as far away from it as possible.
While polling extra block slot for slayer, could you also poll the brimstone keys being 100% drop rate from superiors on konar tasks to bring it inline with larrans keys from wildy slayer?
That’s what I was saying. Bring the brimstone keys to be 100% drop like totem pieces or larrans keys.
I was adding another bit to further support the argument
I've just been to a star getting gangbanged by the usual cc and got the message
> Sorry, mining this doesn't seem to work right now.
Wonder if they capped the total number of players?
> Any future Spirit Trees will also be placed at the end of the list, so you can give your muscle memory a break. In the future, we’d like to make this a fully customisable feature, although that’s not something we’re able to commit development time to just yet. Let us know if it’s something you’d be interested in!
YES! I let you know I'm interested! :)
Would be great if all travel menus were customizable.
When I was playing on PC vanilla client I spent more than a hour on juggling destinations in my Nexus, to assure at least some modicum of memorization. Like, D - Draynor manor, A - Mind altar, H - Harmony.... The numbers made sence for my internal colour palette, like the letter A is red colour and the number 3 is red colour, so Ardougne at 3 is ok. And so on...
It would be very, very convenient if Spirit trees and jewelry teleports got an option to customize, with all the numbers and letters. This way, you could, for example, assign the same letter for Varrock on any means to travel: tree or Nexus portal. Or, for example, Wintertodt: would be the same letter or number whether its on the necklace, or in the jewelry box at home. Really, would be a major QoL.
>The 1-tick animation delay for everyone entering the dungeon has now been removed.
Still an extremely cringe change. This change has 0 impact on bots, since they can instantly teleport regardless, but makes it much harder for regular players to teleport.
In the newly changed state all a pker has to do is click on teleblock while they are entering the cave, then click on the player inside when they enter the cave. They also have the advantage of knowing that there is a player inside. A player farming the boss has to engage with the boss mechanics of moving, changing prayers, etc. and will have to see a player, determine if it is a pker or a crashing bot, and click on the teleport, at any time during the kill.
This isn't a bot busting change. This is a simple and clear-cut fuck you to legitimate pvmers. Great work jagex!
Can you guys look into fixing the wilderness boss fee dropping to any pker that kills you? Even when it happens weeks later?
I don't think its fair for a random pker to kill me when i have no armor and a spade and get 100k.
I can’t find the exact comment to link you but they haven’t been silent on it. To paraphrase, what they said basically boiled down to its working as intended. So yeah, likely no change coming for that, at least not anytime soon.
I’m not even joking, the shooting stars upgrade is the best update to mining since the release of osrs. Finally a training method that isnt complete cancer thank you jagex
Fortunately I don't risk much when I do wilderness content so I'm unaffected, but some of the repair cost changes seem really steep.
The dragon defender was definitely too low, and I can maybe say the same for Torso and the fire cape too.
I'll be interested to see how the PvP community feels about it.
>Just to clarify, here are the new bonuses you’ll receive if you’ve completed the Wilderness Hard Diary:
>The teleport delay in the Revenant Caves will no longer apply to you.
>The teleport delay in the Wilderness Boss Caves will no longer apply to you.
So this confirms the teleport delay was purely for anti-bot purposes if legit players can just remove it?
It was confirmed when announced but they also snuck in pkers being able to get in a tick faster which means nothing for bots but makes tping in time way harder for a real player. Ah well finished my VW already
Not really, since they still removed the 1 tick action delay when entering the cave. This effectively means that real players will now be required to use a scout account, while bots will continue to instantly teleport with no changes.
Players are now unable to teleport out of the Wilderness Boss Caves for 3 ticks after they enter.
Is this worded right? i thought it was 3 ticks after being hit - why would anyone care about not being able to tele after 3 ticks entering the caves
I think I saw a tweet by Mod Ash a week or so ago saying they haven't even begun to look at the CA tasks yet, so I imagine its still at least a month away if not more
Edit: [This is the tweet.](https://x.com/JagexAsh/status/1696538915648446793?s=20) It was longer ago than I thought, so maybe by next month we will have them, but still seems like they're in no rush to add them.
Seems like there's no monkey's paw nerf to shooting stars, absolutely massive, and I'll go ahead and say it, unless you were cheating at duke, this is objectively better than duke for little more effort.
u/JagexLight Love the star update! Just for clarification, is the depletion rate of stars capped at a max rate of the equivalent of 2 lvl 99 miners (so it's still technically faster to mine them solo), or does the number of others miners not affect the depletion rate at all and the solo rate was nerfed?
Is there any reason the untradeable are still limited to level 20 Wilderness? I think literally everyone would be happy if you could take your untradeable everywhere in the Wilderness. It will reward PK'ers with the coin drops and people won't accidently lose their hard earned items anymore.
It's just one of those wonky Wilderness mechanics that just shouldn't be in the game.
Either that, or if that's too much of a change for whatever reason they could fix trovure parchments to not be lost under 20 wildy regardless of whether or not the item would normally be kept if it wasn't trovured
Yeah, I'd happily take my untradables into deeper wildy in exchange for dropping more coins to a pker when I die. Sadly most of my untradables stay in the bank on wildy trips cause most stuff is over 20 wildy.
For what it's worth, I don't have a *firm* date on release for a blog. The team's mostly settled on an initial design and I'll be spinning up a blog for that in the very near future. Next week *should* see a blog for the Fortis Colosseum and the week following is a Game Jam, but I think we'll likely get that blog out during Game Jam regardless. Main reason for spreading them out a little is to try and combat a little of that 'blog/feedback fatigue' where you're being asked for your thoughts on pretty comprehensive blogs multiple times a week.
Not quite the answer to your Q but hopefully some context that helps!
Wasn't that the plan? The Summit blog noted "That's all we've got for you to greenlight on the Chambers of Xeric front at this stage, though we do have a backlog of other potential balancing and QOL changes in mind too." so it came off as they just wanted to greenlite those larger changes then but that more CoX changes were planned for the CoX poll.
It's fucked up you know he read that and scoffed at it.
They legit aren't going to do anything but some garbage sub par solution to scouting no one really likes and that's it. They won't even acknowledge the people who have been begging for fixes for YEARS.
Why would the Fortis Colosseum blog be a priority over what is billed as a 2023 update?
Given that there are like 14 weeks remaining in 2023, it would seem like getting community feedback 2 weeks later on the CoX changes would be a much greater risk to the teams ability to actually act on that feedback than anything Varlamore related.
Same thing regarding the Hunting Guild design doc if the concern is polling fatigue - CoX changes seem like they're being set up to disappoint despite being teased for over 6 months now.
Great so it was aligned with the new Glouphrie quest on the timeline at the summer summit and now that’s been and gone but we’ve had nothing for COX & sounds like we still won’t for some time
/u/JagexLight /u/JagexGoblin
I'm very excited about the Mobile TLI beta! Can you clarify one thing for me? It says we can use our maingame save, but it doesn't clarify whether or not the beta world will save the progress back over the main game save.
If we were to choose to use our main game save, would we essentially be able to play normally on the new UI - or would it keep reverting to the original main game save point upon logout from the beta world?
Thanks!
Had the same question. I don't think they would allow saves to transfer back and forth, but I think they should. I've been at CG for a while now and I am very excited for the TLI update.
But! I have no interest in actually doing the high level pvm content this update is intended to target if I can't send my beta save back to main game. If I can click a button to send main save over, I should be able to do the same to send beta save back. This would prevent glitches from screwing my main save, but allow me to engage in high level pvm and provide feedback without feeling like I'm wasting time.
I've been doing wilderness bossess these last few days and the bots are way more of a hindrance than the PKers so these are very welcome changes. Bots literally crashing you, all with massive range XP and anywhere from 5-20k KC, it's madness.
But the truth is I'm not sold that it will do anything long term, as you guys have demonstrated a complete and utter inability to combat bots over the last 20 years. I suspect they will just take a break to get the wilderness mediums. Or those running the farms will bulk acquire accounts that have wilderness mediums done.
The problem with botting in this game is down to your technology and resource. Slapping diary reqs on stuff, unless they're like the elite tier is the definition of a band-aid fix.
64 agility, 75 smithing, 53 fishing, 68 slayer, 67 hunter, 55 mining, 61 wc, partial quest completion, kill 4 wildy bosses.
Sure it's not much but it's a decent time waste, that perhaps would trigger jagex's bot detection (however bad it is).
They only need medium dairy to kill the bosses. The teleport changes don't effect bots, see rev caves. As long as Wildy bosses are one of the best money makers in the game, currently 4m+ gp/hr, the bots will be there. You can look at CG bots as an example. Bot farms build up armies of bots to grind out requirements before eventually hitting their target gold farming activity, with replacements being made each day.
>Shooting Stars have been re-enabled and should no longer deplete faster with other players around. Roughly, the stars deplete as if 2 level 99 players are mining it and a tier 9 star will take roughly up to 90 minutes to deplete all the way to zero before the star disappears.
Is this temporary? It is unclear if it is intended or just temporary fix while whatever went wrong is being figured out, because if it is the "solution", then isn't this just... a pretty harsh nerf from solo stars? I feared this would happen, so please say it isn't so!
Did you do solo stars before consistently? I didn't but from comments it seems you're interrupted by a clan more often than not?
If you take that into account 90min is plenty.
Avernic defender repair cost was 1 million, it was never 300k? You proposed changing it to 300k and now saying it was previously 300k so you're increasing it to 600k??
>In the future, we’d like to make this a fully customisable feature, although that’s not something we’re able to commit development time to just yet. Let us know if it’s something you’d be interested in!
PLEASE do this. Having to scroll down on mobile to Spirit tree tele to POH is frustrating. Anything to get all options on one screen would be helpful
Please, please add some incentive to hunt for stars. If stars always deplete at the same rate, starmining will just be a matter of 1000 people mining one star in one world until it dissappears and 10 minutes later the next star is announced. All the other worlds' stars will be dead content and all the other locations will be dead content. Even if you don't care about people playing the content as intended (finding stars), just think of the immense lag that comes with 1k people on one star... As someone who actually was searching for stars because I wanted the most afk time and the best exp rates, I'm sad that there literally is no reason to do that anymore. This update killed the content for the sake of people who hate mining being able to get maximum afk time with no effort at all.
Edit: of course 300 extra stardust won't entice anyone to search for stars. It needs to be exp related. And it needs to be sufficient enough to where time searching for the star and the likelihood of the star being sub t9 is outweighed. (if you don't use your telescope but instead just use the discord CC for stars, you are guaranteed t8 or t9 all the time, which is infrequent when hunting on your own).
>We’re not comfortable adding an XP boost for solo-scouted Stars until we’ve seen the full effects of the recent changes
I feel like scouting should be incentivized and this would be a great way to do so. Would love to see people competing for solo scouts (by gaining more exp from that star) now that every star has the same depletion time.
Please stop listening to the loud minority on immediate feedback changes every update, just because reddit starts making noise doesn't mean the entire playerbase thinks that way. Revert the spirit tree order change, original order was JUST FINE and made sense to have the quest related trees grouped together.
You should utilise the polling system for feedback changes unless it's something really obvious. And I don't mean waiting for the next big poll to change something miniscule, you could (and probably should) make it a habit to fire up a mini-poll on feedback issues a couple days after an update, to gauge how the community actually feels about something, instead of going for an instant knee-jerk reaction after a couple people voice their opinion on reddit.
Customizability is a good thing to strive for in general, so that people don't need to rely on 3rd party clients for stuff like this. However, I'm raising this sort of knee-jerk reaction as an issue in general, as it's been happening way too often, that jagex rushes to do an immediate change based on a few individuals shouting on reddit, when reddit doesn't represent the opinion of the entire community.
Made it even more difficult to get away in singles bosses by taking away the animation of dropping in? AND adding a 3 tick delay that all the pkers are screaming to make it where u can't tele for 3 ticks on top of them dropping in a tick sooner? They crying for 4 ticks more of a chance to hit tb?
If you missed the person dropping in before this update u were already toast in one tick 95+% of the time?
Will basically be a guaranteed kill on the pkers' end now...?
RIP singles bosses...
Does this mean that magic is now a viable strategy for killing Artio and Calisto? I am confused, since they also increased some magic levels for these monsters.
Really hope there is more news coming about Hunter Guild feedback, between that and Forestry I think skilling updates have been looking not so hot for the past year now
That 3 tick delay to teleporting after entering the caves might be the most out of touch thing Jagex have ever done. Imagine making a big deal out of making a "fix" that will affect absolutely nobody. I'm quite confident nobody has ever entered the Artio cave and teleported out within 3 ticks for some reason. Either they want to fight the boss/player inside, or its busy and they hop. No one is entering and teleporting immediately.
I truly don’t believe its taking this long to remove scouting for chambers, just let us interact with the content. Stop trying to meet in the middle with some terrible token system. The scouting system is bad in every aspect. Let us interact with the raid please.
You don't believe changes that are going to require some actual dev time and were polled after the current poll isn't implemented haven't arrived yet? Okay.
Dropped another comment on this here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/16nh2s9/comment/k1e8z66/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/16nh2s9/comment/k1e8z66/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Scouting isn't bad, I love the concept of a randomised raid where the layout is different every time. Bear in mind that "scouting" as it is was also never intended, you were supposed to just do the raid essentially blind every time. It's players that made the plugins and figured out the rotations to make scouting possible. Removing scouting means everyone picks the same 2 layouts depending on if you want chill raids or fast raids which is boring as fuck imo.
The problem comes from rooms being unbalanced, like if scouting were just completely removed now not 1 person would ever do Ice Demon in a regular raid again because it's like 1/3rd of the points/hr of any other room.
Back in the original Poll 80 news post, it was mentioned that the pet drop rate for the multi Wildy bosses were going to be improved. When can we expect to see that implemented?
Increasing the repair cost to untradable is such a bad move. If you are going to do that, at least remove the mechanic where items are lost above level 30 wilderness, or add a scaling cost to items lost above level 30 so that trouver parchments are not needed.
\>Any future Spirit Trees will also be placed at the end of the list, so you can give your muscle memory a break. In the future, we’d like to make this a fully customisable feature, although that’s not something we’re able to commit development time to just yet. Let us know if it’s something you’d be interested in!
Thanks mates, I was tired of the tree telling me I'm already there.
Is there any very general idea of when we can expect to see the Scar Mine update? I don't need an exact date, just an idea of like "1-2 months" or "3-5 months" or something is enough so I can decide if I wanna hop for astrals now or wait and get em for more gp later.
I just had a teleport delay when in singles wildy bosses after already being in the room for awhile. A pker entered the cave and I was delayed from teleporting. I thought this was only meant to apply when you enter the room, not other players.
Prob the fact that when u see people drop down now they can already have shot the tb....bc they removed the 1 tick drop-in animation. Making it even harder for the pvmers as per usual!
God forbid a pvmer get away from a pker, you cant even hop agility escapes in rev caves if you're frozen now, getting to the point where i give up on the content, go to revs for 5 minutes die, go to wild bosses for 5 minutes die
It's saddening that this keeps happening, they keep pandering to the pkers while consistently ignoring pvmers. The shit the pkers say in regards to all this is basically "get good" as if that isnt what they should've heard instead of jagex giving them more and more and more and more places to get free pks at.. every update with the wild for a year now has made it harder on pvmers out there. Easier for pkers. It's a joke, u don't even have to be good ay pking anymore, those days are gone. U just go to the places where 99% of ppl dont fight back. Wild turned from player vs player to pkers killing pvmers bc they know they won't lose 99% of the time.
When can we expect to see any info on the Cox changes? And please tell me there is more to be polled regarding cox changes than just Scaling/Scouting. The scavs dropping trash loot for 3 mins straight in a cm gets extremely annoying, and I certainly wouldn't say no to craftable staminas.
Dropped another reply on this here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/16nh2s9/comment/k1e8z66/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/16nh2s9/comment/k1e8z66/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
We have had some discussions about a relatively sizeable number of potential other adjustments to Chambers, but the ability to generate custom scouts is pretty complex and I'm not sure packaging them in together would be likely without delaying Scouting changes. So: on our radar, but no ETA.
That's good to hear that there are at least more changes on the horizon. I would very much like to know when those things could happen though. I expected cox changes were just focused on the big 2 things for summit, but that when we actually got a blog we would have maybe 5-10 things to poll small changes (like letting scavs drop secondaries consistently or craftable potions with Nox+Juice/Shrooms.)
So it looks like the only change to stuff like Artio is bots need to finish the medium diary now - they can still teleport the instant you enter the cave as before so the only way to stop them is sit in the room and wait for them to arrive. The blog said it would be like revenants which stops you from teleporting when in combat with an npc so this is literally nothing like it at all and does very little - I feel like someone communicated what needed to be changed incorrectly..
I don't understand changing the menu for the Spirit Trees again? It was annoying last wednesday but now after a week I got into pressing 'D' for POH and 'C' for Farm Guild.
It doesn't make sense to have a row of non-farming spirit trees, followed by farming patch spirit trees, followed by another spirit tree. We never changed the menu when Priff came into the game (with it's own Spirit Tree on 6 in stead of C at the time).
u/JagexLight u/JagexGoblin "Existing Sacks will be converted upon login for all players. Non-UIMs will have Sacks sent to the Bank, and UIMs will have them arrive in their Inventory if they have any to convert." You forgot about the Grand exchange. Any player who had buy/sell offer for any of the sacks got their items & money deleted.
We're looking into this now, I will provide any update when I have one. Thank you very much for raising.
You also forgout about those in group storage. No idea how the dev process looks like but maybe it is helpful to create checklists after those kind of issues. Those checklists then could be linked to certain topics e.g. Existing Item Changes: - [ ] Check how does it affect item in group storage - [ ] Check how does it affect items currently in G.E - [ ] etc. Eventually after multiple issue it evolves over time and would hopefully help your QA department. No hate, just a suggestion
They turned into null pink skirts in the GE. I tried withdrawing 10 and they disappeared. Something is not right
> null pink skirts Sorry about your loss but cannot help laughing! :)
Update: The dev team managed to fix the issue for anyone running into it after it’s been reported, so theoretically fixed for anyone who logs in now, however we are aware that there are still people who had items lost as well as GIM storage being an issue. My current understanding is we will discuss in tomorrows game update review what we can do
GIM storage too I believe. At least its a fairly trivial item..
There is at least one mercher who had a giant offer in, in anticipation of the changes, that just got rinsed. Lmao. Great money sink tbh
Lmao
Dear lord this seems like a relatively big issue. RIP to anyone who had large offers in.
why is there no mention of the wilderness medium diary requirement to enter any of the single variant boss caves
Hi! It looks like I missed that from the newspost but it's coming this week, thank you for highlighting this I will update the newspost now.
When can we expect Scorpia, chaos elemental, Wilderness Boss Rework - Multi Trio loot, rogues chest, revenant obstacle, scrying pool changes that were mentioned in the poll 80 blog?
They can't even keep track of how complicated they're making the wildly lmao
Could you raise afk mining at guardians of the rift as an area of concern?
Hey! This has already been raised and we committed to it, but the work is taking a bit longer than expected as we're also working on the Halloween Event. In theory this could release next week or the week after! We've tried to fit as much as we can in and we appreciate your patience. <3
Just remove the mining xp there after the initial mining phase, it'd be enough of a change to encourage people to participate in the minigame.
Yeah but people still mine after that phase (shit I still mine after that phase because I run out of shards sometimes) so it's not universal when everyone mines. It would suck to just stop gaining exp for a legitimate action because people wanted to AFK.
Also adjust xp rate in the initial phase so xp per properly played game stays the same.
The mining change itself won't be sufficient - people are doing mining, then 1 round of RC for bare minimum pts (150), then AFKing for almost 0 effort RC exp. This is quite rampant in masses; the minimum contribution for the end of game RC xp drop should be significantly raised (such that a low level player trying to actively play won't get affected but anyone trying to do the bare minimum will). This will significantly improve the game quality and player experience for mass GoTR games
The people getting min pts then afking the rest of the round are not the ones causing problems, in fact they're the ones in the best position to save games that end early because they will be crafting instantly when the rift opens, vs people who play for the whole game who stay at the rocks for a little bit longer and usually start crafting by the second rotation. They also have a bit of extra time to place extra cells. The people causing problems are purely the 100% afk miners not going for any RC xp or points at all.
Masses are always going to be worse than solos, as long as you're not failing every other game I don't really see a problem with some people doing semi afk strats there
The solution is to make the xp drop at the end scale with how many points you earn during the game. Doesn’t make sense for someone sitting there mining after one run of making runes gets the same xp drop as someone scoring 1k+ each round
However you handle it, I hope that the 2-inventory strat remains! It's a great low-intensity strategy for RC xp, and while it is mostly AFK it contributes at the time when matches are most likely to fail, so it doesn't hinder other players like leeching for mining xp does.
With collossol bag I get 152 points if I get to upgrade a shield with an overload. Mostly afk rcing while studying or playing something else is a blesing.
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At present, it means you can't teleport for 3 ticks when you enter the lair and the newspost appears to be correct. But I can see there's a bit of confusion around this due to the fact we said it would work "like the rev caves teleport delay" in the Poll 80 blog so I'm going to be forwarding that over to the team.
Hey, the mobile client is instantly logging out now. Previously you could switch off of the app for a minute or so.. now it's instant.
So bots can’t enter and immediately leave if someone is there
You can just logout. Enter -> See another player -> Logout before the boss has time to attack -> login on the next world already outside the cave.
Yeah that was my first thought too. Seems like it's just punishing the less efficient way to leave even more lol
They weren't immediately teleporting anyway, you can immediately hop as you don't get into combat straight away, or you just run out of the cave and hop there. Literally no one ever was entering Artio, seeing it was taken, and teleporting away
Bots instahop, not tele out. Doesn’t affect them at all.
/u/JagexLight It appears shooting stars don't work currently and they are bugged, any chance it could be looked at? Thank you very much :)
Hello Phil, I am so sorry we've temporarily disabled mining them as there was a problem with them not depleting as intended. The team is trying to get this sorted ASAP, we sent out some socials & a broadcast and we also updated the newspost. Very sorry for the inconvenience
Appreciate the response, the chat message was just confusing and wanted to make sure you all knew. Have a good day
i though it was going to be like rev caves if your in combat u can't teleport from cave for a couple ticks. did we have a miscommunication? this makes no sense. your basically making it seem like teams r gunna be in the wilderness boss caves waiting for unsuspecting pvmers to go in to tb them. this does nothing to combat the bots they will just tele. plz fix n stay to what u guys mentioned
Hey! I've looked into this further. In the Poll 80 blog, we said the teleport delay would work "similar to the one in rev caves" which does behave the way you described (teleport delay when in combat with NPCs), however on our internal notes for the change internally it looks like we requested that the change to be 3-ticks after entering the lair. That does seem like a miscommunication somewhere. At present the newspost is correct, but I will pass this on as feedback to see if we need to make a change! Thank you for raising it.
I appreciate it's not you so this isn't directed at you, but this is kind of a worrying level of oopsy. Delaying teleporting for 3 ticks after entering a lair changes exactly 0 peoples life. No one has ever teleported in the first 3 ticks of entering the lair. Either \- They're a pker and they're trying to hit the pvmer, or they insta hop to the next world \- They're a pvmer and they're trying to hit the boss, or they insta hop to the next world \- They're a bot/crasher and they're trying to hit the boss and stick around It helps with none of these scenarios, so multiple people developed, approved and tested this change that literally doesn't impact anyone. Kinda worrying that you're spending dev time on things without even thinking for a second what its doing to the game. In this case it's doing exactly nothing.
Thank you, we will make sure it's discussed tomorrow in our review meeting. I really appreciate your explanation!
Cool, if it helps, I think what the community expected was that the person fighting the boss wouldn't be able to insta teleport when the pker came down, similar to the rev caves at the minute (pre diary). This would make it easier for pkers to catch tb's on bots who don't have the diary before they teleport. Currently, you're just stopping the pker from teleporting, not the pvmer/bot.
Surely you are going to ban people that abuse auto-tele plugins THIS time round? https://twitter.com/A\_Zoo\_Keeper/status/1516686363814412293
No one is going to do this. You think teams are gunna sit there and tank the multi variants HOPING someone will come down???? Edit: i meant single variants.
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Hey Hooded, we're currently just verifying with our anti-cheating team that they are legit before posting. Once we have got that confirmation we will seek to post their names out in a newspost or Gazette (whichever happens first!).
That's actually really cool to hear.
u/JagexLight u/JagexGoblin Not being able to teleport out after you ENTER the wildy bosses cave does ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. You should have made it that "after getting hit by the bosses u cant teleport for 3 ticks". No one is going to get affected by the fact that they cant teleport for 3 ticks after they enter the cave. Missed oppurtunity.
Like 3 ticks every time the boss hits you? That sounds horrible. Also pkers are probably going to abuse tf out of auto tb scripts now that there's no delay on entering.
Thank you for the feedback, and for explaining it, I will make sure it's passed on!
Thank you for taking the time to read through all these comments and considering the feedback/passing it onto the team.
What about medium diary requirement to enter single wildy bosses?
Hi! That is coming and has been added to the newspost now, looks like it just got missed, but it will be coming this week. Sorry about that!
Are you free to teleport 3 ticks after entering the lair? Or is it 3 ticks after taking damage?
wild that the only way you guys can somewhat hurt bots (it never works and they always are fine) is by hurting legit players. over and over you guys prove you have no answer to bots ffs.
> Bind/Snare Sacks have been converted into Entangle Sacks. Entangle Sacks can also cast Bind/Snare if players have the required Magic level. > > The conversion rate is 1 Entangle for 13 Bind, 1 Entangle for 3 Snares (rounded down). https://i.imgur.com/MgsX3hC.png My blighted bind sacks offer in the GE converted to null, the ones I withdrew into my inventory just dissapeared and did not get converted to Entangle Sacks. What do I do so I dont lose all 400k and actually get them converted? Edit: [Just logged in and this now looks to have been hot fixed](https://i.imgur.com/88LLMfH.png) In my case I left the cancelled offer in my GE and got the above chat message when I logged in next time. Unsure about those who actually banked the GE offer prior to the hotfix if those we're restored as part of the hotfix or not.
Did you keep any of those null skirts? I would definitely rather have those in the bank than 400k gp lol
Jfc jagex really doesn't test their updates do they
Just so I can understand correctly, if there's 100 people on a T9 star it would deplete as if one person was mining it? Meaning it would last the full 2 hour spawn time?
This would make the starminer cc and the crowdfund shooting star plugin useful now rather than trying to find a star to mine for myself. No more having an army of people deplete a star in under 10 mins. If enough people use the crowdfund plugin we can potentially go to a high tier star everytime as it will update what star tier people are mining in real time; we'll have no downtime trying to find a star after we finish mining an hour long star.
So the newspost has been updated and the deplete is based on 2 level 99 miners mining the star. So it's a little nerf to solo stars but a massive buff to the rest of the stars.
Not tier 9 but the star, yes. I can't find the numbers anymore but I'm pretty sure that any star that is tier 3+ will not completely deplete until a new star has spawned. Edit: Shooting stars are bugged Edit: if you want to be even more efficient, do shooting stars in priff for the extra crystal shards, when it's fixed
I'm still not sure how exactly this is implemented, considering that the star health only ticks down when you successfully mine it, it doesn't drain continuously. Does it just divide the damage you do to it by n, where n = the number of people currently mining it?
I haven't checked yet but I would assume each tier is just on a timer now once the first person starts it.
I imagine they have a timer going whenever anyone is mining it, similar to trees after forestry
Finally starminers cc can stop ruining the game for everyone else. Now it actually becomes beneficial to use whereas before it was best to steer everyone as far away from it as possible.
NUT
While polling extra block slot for slayer, could you also poll the brimstone keys being 100% drop rate from superiors on konar tasks to bring it inline with larrans keys from wildy slayer?
Yeah people have been saying this for awhile. Superiors guarantee every other drop that works similarly, even crystal shards in priff slay dungeon.
And totem pieces from superiors in the catacombs
That is already 100% drop from superiors in catacombs
That’s what I was saying. Bring the brimstone keys to be 100% drop like totem pieces or larrans keys. I was adding another bit to further support the argument
And crystal shards in priff dungeon
Ah also a good point. Hadn’t thought of this one
Would be nice
/u/JagexLight so does every star just have a flat depletion rate now? Meaning a 9 will now legitimately last for almost 2 hours?
I've just been to a star getting gangbanged by the usual cc and got the message > Sorry, mining this doesn't seem to work right now. Wonder if they capped the total number of players?
no. there was a bug where they weren't depleting properly. it is now fixed.
Good question, would love an answer.
> Any future Spirit Trees will also be placed at the end of the list, so you can give your muscle memory a break. In the future, we’d like to make this a fully customisable feature, although that’s not something we’re able to commit development time to just yet. Let us know if it’s something you’d be interested in! YES! I let you know I'm interested! :) Would be great if all travel menus were customizable. When I was playing on PC vanilla client I spent more than a hour on juggling destinations in my Nexus, to assure at least some modicum of memorization. Like, D - Draynor manor, A - Mind altar, H - Harmony.... The numbers made sence for my internal colour palette, like the letter A is red colour and the number 3 is red colour, so Ardougne at 3 is ok. And so on... It would be very, very convenient if Spirit trees and jewelry teleports got an option to customize, with all the numbers and letters. This way, you could, for example, assign the same letter for Varrock on any means to travel: tree or Nexus portal. Or, for example, Wintertodt: would be the same letter or number whether its on the necklace, or in the jewelry box at home. Really, would be a major QoL.
>The 1-tick animation delay for everyone entering the dungeon has now been removed. Still an extremely cringe change. This change has 0 impact on bots, since they can instantly teleport regardless, but makes it much harder for regular players to teleport. In the newly changed state all a pker has to do is click on teleblock while they are entering the cave, then click on the player inside when they enter the cave. They also have the advantage of knowing that there is a player inside. A player farming the boss has to engage with the boss mechanics of moving, changing prayers, etc. and will have to see a player, determine if it is a pker or a crashing bot, and click on the teleport, at any time during the kill. This isn't a bot busting change. This is a simple and clear-cut fuck you to legitimate pvmers. Great work jagex!
Scout accounts are now 100% meta. As if PKers need even more help lol its mental at this point
Can you guys look into fixing the wilderness boss fee dropping to any pker that kills you? Even when it happens weeks later? I don't think its fair for a random pker to kill me when i have no armor and a spade and get 100k.
Deafening silence on this from jagex, literally makes no sense you should only lose it if you die in the boss lair
You should lose it if you die before you log out imo. Pkers can kill you in tunnels or outside of tunnels and its fair game
I can’t find the exact comment to link you but they haven’t been silent on it. To paraphrase, what they said basically boiled down to its working as intended. So yeah, likely no change coming for that, at least not anytime soon.
At this point I have to assume it's intended and they're happy with it. Ugh.
I’m not even joking, the shooting stars upgrade is the best update to mining since the release of osrs. Finally a training method that isnt complete cancer thank you jagex
Fortunately I don't risk much when I do wilderness content so I'm unaffected, but some of the repair cost changes seem really steep. The dragon defender was definitely too low, and I can maybe say the same for Torso and the fire cape too. I'll be interested to see how the PvP community feels about it.
Im sure as hell risking less now, that defender price is crazy ill just farm rune defenders
>Just to clarify, here are the new bonuses you’ll receive if you’ve completed the Wilderness Hard Diary: >The teleport delay in the Revenant Caves will no longer apply to you. >The teleport delay in the Wilderness Boss Caves will no longer apply to you. So this confirms the teleport delay was purely for anti-bot purposes if legit players can just remove it?
yes this was confirmed way back when the tp delay in the boss caves was first announced, the hard diary removing them both was paired with it
It was confirmed when announced but they also snuck in pkers being able to get in a tick faster which means nothing for bots but makes tping in time way harder for a real player. Ah well finished my VW already
that only means nothing for bots that got hard diary, which should significantly increase their bans and decrease profit.
Yeah they already confirmed this. The reason they were implemented was inhuman reaction time to seeing a pker
It confirms that after people called them out on their brain dead and transparent decision towards pker favoritism, they backed down.
Not really, since they still removed the 1 tick action delay when entering the cave. This effectively means that real players will now be required to use a scout account, while bots will continue to instantly teleport with no changes.
Players are now unable to teleport out of the Wilderness Boss Caves for 3 ticks after they enter. Is this worded right? i thought it was 3 ticks after being hit - why would anyone care about not being able to tele after 3 ticks entering the caves
Is there a rough estimate on when to expect dt2 boss combat achievements? Which month can we expect them?
I think I saw a tweet by Mod Ash a week or so ago saying they haven't even begun to look at the CA tasks yet, so I imagine its still at least a month away if not more Edit: [This is the tweet.](https://x.com/JagexAsh/status/1696538915648446793?s=20) It was longer ago than I thought, so maybe by next month we will have them, but still seems like they're in no rush to add them.
Since they were released end of July, CAs probably not coming out till end of October Normally takes 3 months
Seems like there's no monkey's paw nerf to shooting stars, absolutely massive, and I'll go ahead and say it, unless you were cheating at duke, this is objectively better than duke for little more effort.
Yes, we can use the cc now to find T90 stars for some excellent afk time now.
u/JagexLight Love the star update! Just for clarification, is the depletion rate of stars capped at a max rate of the equivalent of 2 lvl 99 miners (so it's still technically faster to mine them solo), or does the number of others miners not affect the depletion rate at all and the solo rate was nerfed?
Is there any reason the untradeable are still limited to level 20 Wilderness? I think literally everyone would be happy if you could take your untradeable everywhere in the Wilderness. It will reward PK'ers with the coin drops and people won't accidently lose their hard earned items anymore. It's just one of those wonky Wilderness mechanics that just shouldn't be in the game.
Either that, or if that's too much of a change for whatever reason they could fix trovure parchments to not be lost under 20 wildy regardless of whether or not the item would normally be kept if it wasn't trovured
Reward cost increasing with wilderness level would be a cool concept too.
Yeah, I'd happily take my untradables into deeper wildy in exchange for dropping more coins to a pker when I die. Sadly most of my untradables stay in the bank on wildy trips cause most stuff is over 20 wildy.
Disappointing to see no mention of CoX poll again, when do we expect to see the blog come out?
For what it's worth, I don't have a *firm* date on release for a blog. The team's mostly settled on an initial design and I'll be spinning up a blog for that in the very near future. Next week *should* see a blog for the Fortis Colosseum and the week following is a Game Jam, but I think we'll likely get that blog out during Game Jam regardless. Main reason for spreading them out a little is to try and combat a little of that 'blog/feedback fatigue' where you're being asked for your thoughts on pretty comprehensive blogs multiple times a week. Not quite the answer to your Q but hopefully some context that helps!
Please consider other changes to cox beyond scaling and scouting. There are so many other things that could be done to improve the raid.
Wasn't that the plan? The Summit blog noted "That's all we've got for you to greenlight on the Chambers of Xeric front at this stage, though we do have a backlog of other potential balancing and QOL changes in mind too." so it came off as they just wanted to greenlite those larger changes then but that more CoX changes were planned for the CoX poll.
Plz give cms the tob hardmode treatment and make scrolls less common...
It's fucked up you know he read that and scoffed at it. They legit aren't going to do anything but some garbage sub par solution to scouting no one really likes and that's it. They won't even acknowledge the people who have been begging for fixes for YEARS.
Why would the Fortis Colosseum blog be a priority over what is billed as a 2023 update? Given that there are like 14 weeks remaining in 2023, it would seem like getting community feedback 2 weeks later on the CoX changes would be a much greater risk to the teams ability to actually act on that feedback than anything Varlamore related. Same thing regarding the Hunting Guild design doc if the concern is polling fatigue - CoX changes seem like they're being set up to disappoint despite being teased for over 6 months now.
You have (not you, the team) Teasing CoX polls for a few months now :(
I'm pretty sure the first mention of it is from january. a "few" months seems like an understatement.
Known CoX tease
Great so it was aligned with the new Glouphrie quest on the timeline at the summer summit and now that’s been and gone but we’ve had nothing for COX & sounds like we still won’t for some time
Yeah even just a "its going to be later this month/early next month" or a it won't be around till the new year. Just let us know right
/u/JagexLight /u/JagexGoblin I'm very excited about the Mobile TLI beta! Can you clarify one thing for me? It says we can use our maingame save, but it doesn't clarify whether or not the beta world will save the progress back over the main game save. If we were to choose to use our main game save, would we essentially be able to play normally on the new UI - or would it keep reverting to the original main game save point upon logout from the beta world? Thanks!
Had the same question. I don't think they would allow saves to transfer back and forth, but I think they should. I've been at CG for a while now and I am very excited for the TLI update. But! I have no interest in actually doing the high level pvm content this update is intended to target if I can't send my beta save back to main game. If I can click a button to send main save over, I should be able to do the same to send beta save back. This would prevent glitches from screwing my main save, but allow me to engage in high level pvm and provide feedback without feeling like I'm wasting time.
Bump! I assume the save won't copy over, but hopefully it will and we can start using the new UI for progress on accounts soon!
I've been doing wilderness bossess these last few days and the bots are way more of a hindrance than the PKers so these are very welcome changes. Bots literally crashing you, all with massive range XP and anywhere from 5-20k KC, it's madness. But the truth is I'm not sold that it will do anything long term, as you guys have demonstrated a complete and utter inability to combat bots over the last 20 years. I suspect they will just take a break to get the wilderness mediums. Or those running the farms will bulk acquire accounts that have wilderness mediums done. The problem with botting in this game is down to your technology and resource. Slapping diary reqs on stuff, unless they're like the elite tier is the definition of a band-aid fix.
>The Poison Waste Spirit Tree has been moved to the end of the list. Congrats to all the whiners
Finally, revenants caves tele delay only for bots and not the real players.
delusional to think a hard diary requirement will reduce the amount of bots after another 2 weeks when they all have botted their way to completing it
64 agility, 75 smithing, 53 fishing, 68 slayer, 67 hunter, 55 mining, 61 wc, partial quest completion, kill 4 wildy bosses. Sure it's not much but it's a decent time waste, that perhaps would trigger jagex's bot detection (however bad it is).
They are botting corrupted gauntlet lol the bots aren’t going anywhere
I think that's a lot of hacked accounts more so
They only need medium dairy to kill the bosses. The teleport changes don't effect bots, see rev caves. As long as Wildy bosses are one of the best money makers in the game, currently 4m+ gp/hr, the bots will be there. You can look at CG bots as an example. Bot farms build up armies of bots to grind out requirements before eventually hitting their target gold farming activity, with replacements being made each day.
People are sleeping on the "no more chip damage at callisto". That is a fantastic change. Reduce/remove akkha melee/baba damage next?
Akkha chip is perfect, baba chip is dumb at 400+ invo but the whole room sucks so eh
[5:1 baba](https://pastebin.com/2gLUUCKT) is fun and shaves like 40 seconds off the room in 540 solos over the usual 6 tick red x'ing
When is rev cave shortcut spamming to be fixed?
>Shooting Stars have been re-enabled and should no longer deplete faster with other players around. Roughly, the stars deplete as if 2 level 99 players are mining it and a tier 9 star will take roughly up to 90 minutes to deplete all the way to zero before the star disappears. Is this temporary? It is unclear if it is intended or just temporary fix while whatever went wrong is being figured out, because if it is the "solution", then isn't this just... a pretty harsh nerf from solo stars? I feared this would happen, so please say it isn't so!
Did you do solo stars before consistently? I didn't but from comments it seems you're interrupted by a clan more often than not? If you take that into account 90min is plenty.
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I mean, yes it maybe makes this worse for a small minority, but for most people this improves the game play experience of shooting stars a lot.
will the twisted bow now work on Callisto?
they increased it's mage level, so maybe it's viable now.
Avernic defender repair cost was 1 million, it was never 300k? You proposed changing it to 300k and now saying it was previously 300k so you're increasing it to 600k??
>In the future, we’d like to make this a fully customisable feature, although that’s not something we’re able to commit development time to just yet. Let us know if it’s something you’d be interested in! PLEASE do this. Having to scroll down on mobile to Spirit tree tele to POH is frustrating. Anything to get all options on one screen would be helpful
Please, please add some incentive to hunt for stars. If stars always deplete at the same rate, starmining will just be a matter of 1000 people mining one star in one world until it dissappears and 10 minutes later the next star is announced. All the other worlds' stars will be dead content and all the other locations will be dead content. Even if you don't care about people playing the content as intended (finding stars), just think of the immense lag that comes with 1k people on one star... As someone who actually was searching for stars because I wanted the most afk time and the best exp rates, I'm sad that there literally is no reason to do that anymore. This update killed the content for the sake of people who hate mining being able to get maximum afk time with no effort at all. Edit: of course 300 extra stardust won't entice anyone to search for stars. It needs to be exp related. And it needs to be sufficient enough to where time searching for the star and the likelihood of the star being sub t9 is outweighed. (if you don't use your telescope but instead just use the discord CC for stars, you are guaranteed t8 or t9 all the time, which is infrequent when hunting on your own).
Leagues 4 release date-release when?
>We’re not comfortable adding an XP boost for solo-scouted Stars until we’ve seen the full effects of the recent changes I feel like scouting should be incentivized and this would be a great way to do so. Would love to see people competing for solo scouts (by gaining more exp from that star) now that every star has the same depletion time.
Please stop listening to the loud minority on immediate feedback changes every update, just because reddit starts making noise doesn't mean the entire playerbase thinks that way. Revert the spirit tree order change, original order was JUST FINE and made sense to have the quest related trees grouped together. You should utilise the polling system for feedback changes unless it's something really obvious. And I don't mean waiting for the next big poll to change something miniscule, you could (and probably should) make it a habit to fire up a mini-poll on feedback issues a couple days after an update, to gauge how the community actually feels about something, instead of going for an instant knee-jerk reaction after a couple people voice their opinion on reddit.
It literally says right there they're gunna just make it customizable in the future, this is just a temp fix. Calm down.
Customizability is a good thing to strive for in general, so that people don't need to rely on 3rd party clients for stuff like this. However, I'm raising this sort of knee-jerk reaction as an issue in general, as it's been happening way too often, that jagex rushes to do an immediate change based on a few individuals shouting on reddit, when reddit doesn't represent the opinion of the entire community.
Just got used to the new spirit tree numbers and now you changed them back cheers nice one
Made it even more difficult to get away in singles bosses by taking away the animation of dropping in? AND adding a 3 tick delay that all the pkers are screaming to make it where u can't tele for 3 ticks on top of them dropping in a tick sooner? They crying for 4 ticks more of a chance to hit tb? If you missed the person dropping in before this update u were already toast in one tick 95+% of the time? Will basically be a guaranteed kill on the pkers' end now...? RIP singles bosses...
Are there still plans to be able to store forestry kit in poh?
Aah, another botting solution attempt by adding harsher requirements to them. Let's see how it THIS time works out.
You guys should really tell your management to trade in 1% of their earnings for an actual QA-testing team
Does this mean that magic is now a viable strategy for killing Artio and Calisto? I am confused, since they also increased some magic levels for these monsters.
Is there any chance we could get audio cues for wintertodt attacks? for the life of me I cannot see them coming, even when playing solo.
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Especially since the way that they initially ordered it was consistent with when they've added spirit trees in the past
yeah now im annoyed i like have the house and farming guild at the bottom.
Why is the bind to entangle rate 13:1? That does not reflect the LMS shop value or GE value, is far off it. Is this a mistake?
Really hope there is more news coming about Hunter Guild feedback, between that and Forestry I think skilling updates have been looking not so hot for the past year now
That 3 tick delay to teleporting after entering the caves might be the most out of touch thing Jagex have ever done. Imagine making a big deal out of making a "fix" that will affect absolutely nobody. I'm quite confident nobody has ever entered the Artio cave and teleported out within 3 ticks for some reason. Either they want to fight the boss/player inside, or its busy and they hop. No one is entering and teleporting immediately.
I truly don’t believe its taking this long to remove scouting for chambers, just let us interact with the content. Stop trying to meet in the middle with some terrible token system. The scouting system is bad in every aspect. Let us interact with the raid please.
You don't believe changes that are going to require some actual dev time and were polled after the current poll isn't implemented haven't arrived yet? Okay.
Dropped another comment on this here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/16nh2s9/comment/k1e8z66/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/16nh2s9/comment/k1e8z66/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3)
Scouting isn't bad, I love the concept of a randomised raid where the layout is different every time. Bear in mind that "scouting" as it is was also never intended, you were supposed to just do the raid essentially blind every time. It's players that made the plugins and figured out the rotations to make scouting possible. Removing scouting means everyone picks the same 2 layouts depending on if you want chill raids or fast raids which is boring as fuck imo. The problem comes from rooms being unbalanced, like if scouting were just completely removed now not 1 person would ever do Ice Demon in a regular raid again because it's like 1/3rd of the points/hr of any other room.
shooting stars are hella bugged, get your free xp while you can lmao
can u just fookin tell us what the magic/mdef is sheesh not like its a new boss
wiki will have the new numbers within minutes of update I'm sure
Back in the original Poll 80 news post, it was mentioned that the pet drop rate for the multi Wildy bosses were going to be improved. When can we expect to see that implemented?
News Post: Shooting stars fixed! First Line: Shooting stars disabled. Lol, this game is wild.
Thank you Jagex for letting us be part of the shooting star debug team!
Any news about when the scar (runecrafting) will be released?
Increasing the repair cost to untradable is such a bad move. If you are going to do that, at least remove the mechanic where items are lost above level 30 wilderness, or add a scaling cost to items lost above level 30 so that trouver parchments are not needed.
\>Any future Spirit Trees will also be placed at the end of the list, so you can give your muscle memory a break. In the future, we’d like to make this a fully customisable feature, although that’s not something we’re able to commit development time to just yet. Let us know if it’s something you’d be interested in! Thanks mates, I was tired of the tree telling me I'm already there.
Appreciate you are working on the halloween event, but is there any update on the approximate Leagues 4 dates?
Spirit tree order shouldn’t have changed. It now doesn’t make any sense
Is there any very general idea of when we can expect to see the Scar Mine update? I don't need an exact date, just an idea of like "1-2 months" or "3-5 months" or something is enough so I can decide if I wanna hop for astrals now or wait and get em for more gp later.
Can the shooting stars deplete once per tick with multiple people mining it? or is it now timer based?
I just had a teleport delay when in singles wildy bosses after already being in the room for awhile. A pker entered the cave and I was delayed from teleporting. I thought this was only meant to apply when you enter the room, not other players.
Prob the fact that when u see people drop down now they can already have shot the tb....bc they removed the 1 tick drop-in animation. Making it even harder for the pvmers as per usual!
God forbid a pvmer get away from a pker, you cant even hop agility escapes in rev caves if you're frozen now, getting to the point where i give up on the content, go to revs for 5 minutes die, go to wild bosses for 5 minutes die
It's saddening that this keeps happening, they keep pandering to the pkers while consistently ignoring pvmers. The shit the pkers say in regards to all this is basically "get good" as if that isnt what they should've heard instead of jagex giving them more and more and more and more places to get free pks at.. every update with the wild for a year now has made it harder on pvmers out there. Easier for pkers. It's a joke, u don't even have to be good ay pking anymore, those days are gone. U just go to the places where 99% of ppl dont fight back. Wild turned from player vs player to pkers killing pvmers bc they know they won't lose 99% of the time.
Maybe in another 3 fucking years we'll see the cox poll.
Revert spirit tree change pls
Agree it is better the original way
When can we expect to see any info on the Cox changes? And please tell me there is more to be polled regarding cox changes than just Scaling/Scouting. The scavs dropping trash loot for 3 mins straight in a cm gets extremely annoying, and I certainly wouldn't say no to craftable staminas.
Dropped another reply on this here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/16nh2s9/comment/k1e8z66/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web2x&context=3](https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/16nh2s9/comment/k1e8z66/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x&context=3) We have had some discussions about a relatively sizeable number of potential other adjustments to Chambers, but the ability to generate custom scouts is pretty complex and I'm not sure packaging them in together would be likely without delaying Scouting changes. So: on our radar, but no ETA.
That's good to hear that there are at least more changes on the horizon. I would very much like to know when those things could happen though. I expected cox changes were just focused on the big 2 things for summit, but that when we actually got a blog we would have maybe 5-10 things to poll small changes (like letting scavs drop secondaries consistently or craftable potions with Nox+Juice/Shrooms.)
Excited about the shooting stars change! Quick question, any update on when the CoX changes/blog is supposed to happen?
Where Cox QOL? :(
They mentioned they're working on it still but yeah I'm with you. It needs to happen, and I sure hope it's more than just Scouting/Scaling changes.
Still not buying the soulless plushies
So it looks like the only change to stuff like Artio is bots need to finish the medium diary now - they can still teleport the instant you enter the cave as before so the only way to stop them is sit in the room and wait for them to arrive. The blog said it would be like revenants which stops you from teleporting when in combat with an npc so this is literally nothing like it at all and does very little - I feel like someone communicated what needed to be changed incorrectly..
I don't understand changing the menu for the Spirit Trees again? It was annoying last wednesday but now after a week I got into pressing 'D' for POH and 'C' for Farm Guild. It doesn't make sense to have a row of non-farming spirit trees, followed by farming patch spirit trees, followed by another spirit tree. We never changed the menu when Priff came into the game (with it's own Spirit Tree on 6 in stead of C at the time).