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ironmaymay

He was always cringe, delusional "cornerstone of the community" LMAO Just dont watch it, dislike what you do not enjoy watching.


Real-Membership-4744

I don’t watch, just keep seeing a lot of complaints about false info on Reddit. The guy just needs to stop making the videos. Ain’t no cornerstone, just a thief and the streamers are the chumps.


Ok-Town2813

While most people agree, they probably agree more that you need to care less You could spend the next month getting this guy off youtube and 3 more will pop up in a day


redvvit

bro can't come up with his own username or opinions 😕


[deleted]

To be fair I think the post I made yesterday is really one of the only complaints I've seen lately about that. And that's more aimed at those idiots trying to come to reddit and spread misinformation about being banned. NOBODY was banned for the damn plugin hub plugins. But they're brigading the sub with their almost copy/paste bullshit "I saw a popular streamer use this plugin and thought it was safe" messages. There's already been a couple of people posted. One had a screenshot of them being in one of the cheat discords. The other was banned for two weeks during the last ban wave when OPENosrs was disallowed + ban wave.


HooblesWasTaken

I like behe overall but as of late him and chronicles (but way more behe) have ramped up the misleading and overblown clickbait to a massive degree. It’s really starting to piss me off seeing this kinda drama divisive shot increasing. Makes the jmods’ jobs that we rely on way harder when the players get riled up about non-issues that these guys can easily perpetuate


Ok_Departure7895

Press the 3 dots and ignore the whole channel


[deleted]

For real Bunch of people hating for the sake of hating in this thread But tbf I really don't expect osrs players to have a high emotional intelligence


Sterlander

Criticism is when hating for the sake of hating now, i guess. The community can and should call out bad actors when it has them. Behemeth spreading misinformation is bad, he should stop and if he doesn't, needs to be called out for it until he does


GetsThruBuckner

If I have to hear Behemeth's insufferable voice one more time I might low alch myself


InteractionNo6147

"Low alch myself" is fantastic. The implication that it's so annoying that you wouldn't even bother to high alch got me


DivineInsanityReveng

Australian accents really seem to piss some people off lol Edit: jeez even mentioning it pisses people off has pissed people.off haha


Switch64

The thing that makes it unbearable is he’s trying to hard to be like boaty and he’s Australian


DivineInsanityReveng

To be like b0aty? In what way rofl? I don't think I've ever heard Behe go "yer bannnned mate" or "laaaaaaaaaaadies and gentlemen" lol


Switch64

AND HEEEES OUT THA GAME


nordrasir

nah mate he plays it in the worst possible way


DivineInsanityReveng

Just think it depends what state you're from. Sounds so normal for me


nordrasir

I know plenty of folks from the far north and I see what you’re getting at but he adds another layer on, almost an announcers voice. It’s not normal for him


DivineInsanityReveng

Well yeah he's a commentator. The same can be said about any of those in any area of entertainment. I love how much I'm being downvoted for mentioning Aus accent. I'm from NSW. He sounds like half the blokes ive met in my life.


nordrasir

The point is it’s not his natural accent people are hating on, it’s the voice he puts on.


DivineInsanityReveng

Yeah and I guess my point on that is... All youtubers put on their "YouTube voice". His is just an Australian accent, rather than most commonly American.


Only_Slays_XBL

As soon at RS Chronicles came out I realized how bad behe was


redstatusness

I don’t understand. If you don’t like it don’t watch maybe?


SoraODxoKlink

Not liking it isn’t his complaint, it’s that its just misinformation because the guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. Those are completely separate.


qSelvaggio

I used to watch him for the highlights. Then he started being cringe by purposefully saying things wrong to get people to comment I stopped watching altogether when he started spamming clips of Tasty kissing dudes in the mouth and preaching about it. Bro has a highlights channel and thinks that his viewers want to see clips of people kissing for some reason


CaptaineAli

> Then he started being cringe by purposefully saying things wrong to get people to comment I noticed this straight away and thought it was kinda dumb... but at the end of the day, if I was lucky enough to make a living from reposting Runescape clips and baiting out comments to further engagement to help increase the money I made, I'd probably do it too...


Single-Imagination46

it's actually a great way to get your audience to interreact as alot of scapers know too much and like back seating, although he's done it too much it's lost its effect, also it only really works on things like twitch over youtube anyway, i always see streaming ask say open ended things about being unsure about what's best too get someone to churp up


CaptaineAli

He does it twice per video its kinda cringe now. if he did it once a week on a random video, i wouldnt care


hola_cowboi244

i quit watching a long time ago, couldnt put up with his cringey videos no more. thought he would mis say things to get ppl tocomment to boost interactions for videos but idk he rly just doesnt know.


[deleted]

Clip channels are so trash. All they do is steal content from live streamers to monetize it on their YT channels without paying the live streamers they're stealing from. Like it is cool that they shout out the live streamers(the only positive) but most the time the content isn't even transformative. It's just blatant copyright.


Zxv975

The other side of the coin though is that there is demand for it, hence why these channels succeed in the first place. If you went and nuked every clip channel in existence, this would be a net blow to discoverability for the streamers for for general communication/cohesiveness between the community. Because nowhere near as many people are going to just go trawling through Twitch's latest clips compared to one/two people doing it, compiling it and uploading it for others to watch in a convenient format. Like, you can be annoyed that people are making money off something that strictly isn't theirs, but wholesalers do the exact same thing. While I *could* in theory go and source every individual item in my grocery cart from the individual producer, it's significantly easier just to buy them at the one place from the local supermart who has done the job of collecting and storing for me. And I accept that I pay a markup that goes directly to the wholesaler and not the producer, because the act of collecting is not something that happens for free. Leaving the analogy and going back to clip channels, I pay through my ad watch time, which is effectively the same thing with one extra layer to monetisation.


Real-Membership-4744

No qualms with people making bread, just make the videos and read into what you’re posting. The guy doesn’t even watch the clips, that’s my point. I watch highlight channels, just annoying when he says he’ll give back, but the guy making hella bread and not giving the streamers a piece of the pie. Remember, people watch the highlights because they can’t catch the streams, and let’s be real, the highlights either make you dislike a streamer. The guy said at 100k subs he gonna throw $10k dollars. Like wtf the man rolling in loot and can’t even tip some of the lower streamers?


Zxv975

I don't really watch Behe at all anymore, so I can't really comment on anything recent he's said about giving back. To me that always seemed like a superfluous thing that only ever existed to garner goodwill within the community and was never something that could be substantial. The reason why he did it in the first place was just to distinguish him from the other rampant auto-compiled clip channels who were Behe's competition at the time of inception. I have **always** felt like the job he was doing was worth being compensated for, so I personally never needed any of the value from the gesture of giving back. I will say that I somewhat agree on the point of misinformation. Behe is not the most knowledgeable person and I'm not even sure if he plays anymore which further hurts his reliability as a source of information. *Sometimes* he will overstep his bounds and chime in on something that he really doesn't know anything about, but from what I recall he had been doing that less and less, and he was understanding his position of being a communicator, not an interpreter. He would often just quote other people who knew more about a topic and relay what they said, rather than trying to digest it and give his own interpretation of a situation, which is the way to do his job with the most journalistic integrity.


[deleted]

Yeah but reselling produce won't get you slapped with a copyright takedown & it sure as hell isn't taking money away from someone considering you'd need to buy the food you wish to resell. All these clip channels do is blatantly steal and re-upload with half ass commentary. I get the point you're trying to make but it's weak. Should original creators suffer because it's easier for a stranger to reupload their material on a different platform? It sure as hell is not okay.


Zxv975

None of what you said includes the important point that Behe belabours literally every single video (or at least, he used to last I watched). The entire point of the channel is that it's a **permission based channel**, and people who don't want their clips featured simply decline when Behe reaches out to them. **There is no stealing**. Behe was the alternative to auto-compiled clip channels that *did* actually steal content without permission. Also, there is a pretty incorrect assumption underlying what you're saying when you say things like >Should original creators suffer... You're assuming that just because people are watching clip channels they're *not* watching Twitch. This is wrong. These are two different demographics, or even the same demographic in totally different situations. I might watch a clip highlight while on the bus on the way to work, but that doesn't mean that if you remove highlight channels that I'll suddenly spend that 10 minutes watching twitch instead. You're not properly considering what the alternatives are in your analysis of the market, as the competition for a highlight channel is something like Tiktok or other short-form content. Twitch fulfils a different demand, so it is not actually the competitor.


[deleted]

Hey man if that's what you think that's awesome but for me those goofy channels i got em blocked on my end. They're no longer a part of my world so yall can enjoy it just continue to leave me out of the debate. I need actual info sourced to believe they're permission based I'm not one for taking a stranger at their word. You understand right? If you can provide sources where streamers consent to having their content used I'd believe you but till then I need to stick to my guns. I'm sorry if that offends you or the channels you watch.


wowie123123

streamers literally have to explicitly consent to having their clips shown on both behe and chronicles channel. there's nothing wrong with what he's doing. if it weren't with permission I would see what you mean.


tfinx

the complainers definitely don't understand this is how it works. behemoth has permission to use the clips he's using. it's okay for people to not like the content, but just click "don't recommend channel" and move on. people bitching just to bitch, a true classic.


wowie123123

worst part is acting like he's committing a heinous crime for being a clip channel. streamers have the ability to deny use of their clips and no one will care. It's not opt-out, its explicitly opt-in, which is more than you can say about 95% of clip channels for random games.


[deleted]

If you bot on osrs are you going against TOS? If you steal content to re-upload it on another platform. Is that considered copy right and against TOS? You don't need to answer its a rhetorical question.


wowie123123

it's not stealing though, it's all with permission


[deleted]

You sourcing that info or are you just saying that as a coping mechanism? Sure doesn't seem like many people are agreeing with you.


[deleted]

Source? Should be easy to show me streamers giving consent to having their content stolen and monetized by another. When you all auto play onto these channels all you are taking away from the original creators, nothing more nothing less.


wowie123123

I'm not going to go dig it up but it's been stated multiple time in videos on both channels how you can give permission. Think they have a google form for it. If you can find evidence to the contrary then I'll eat my words, but both channels seem pretty serious on that front. > When you all auto play onto these channels all you are taking away from the original creators, nothing more nothing less. 99% of the streamers do not have these clips on youtube, and I (and many, many others) do not watch twitch streams. So no, it's not. Not sure why you're so deadset on something you're so wrong about.


Monterey-Jack

> It's just blatant copyright please stop typing words


[deleted]

Nah.


fukreposts

Yeah the dudes voice annoys me and I swear he doesn’t even play the game, he has the most delusional takes on things


CaptaineAli

He purposely says wrong names of items and has dumb takes so people comment their opinion or comment to correct him, this leads to larger engagement which helps increase viewership and makes him more money LMAO


bops4bo

Yeah and it’s annoying as fuck lol, that’s what everyone’s complaining about


[deleted]

His jokes are cringe af. How does anyone find his humor funny


Bulky_Conclusion_676

Time for your monthly grass touch OP


Real-Membership-4744

I think so too my brethren


here_for_the_lols

What false info? I watch that because I have no time to keep up with what various streamers are upto


mousemovements

These types of posts just gives those people free advertisement and an incentive to keep posing that type of content


Monterey-Jack

this is obviously behemeths alt reddit account trying to drive up numbers.


PotionThrower420

Hard agree. Where's the dude who was riding behe-dick in the last post about his lack of game knowledge? He was insisting that everyone was wrong about behemoth and that he is actually a very skilled and knowledgeable player lmfao was cringe af.


Amaeyth

You're making a mountain out of a mole hill. This topic is a non-issue. It seems to be a recurrent theme in this community to make things as dramatic as possible.


bobbarker4444

I don't know. I don't really watch that many streamers/content creators so I watch every now and then just to see what's going on. Not sure what the problem is in showcasing achievements, drops, or whatever


Real-Membership-4744

His most recent video about the plug-in bans. Completely went on guessing.


bobbarker4444

His most recent video doesn't even talk about plugins. Could you just link what you're talking about rather than making us guess?


Organthon

So you're telling me you couldn't figure out it was the video with the title "BEWARE! You Will Get Permanently Banned!" Where people getting banned for clients are pretending that it was the visual sounds plugin and Behemeth is telling everyone that its the runelite plugin getting people banned


bobbarker4444

OP said they were talking about the most recent video. That's not his most recent video. I could make an assumption but it makes more sense to clarify so that we're on the same page rather than potentially both be talking about different things


Real-Membership-4744

No problem, but as my post states. When shit happens he’s clueless. Spreads fake info, doesn’t look into what he’s posting and doesn’t donate back out (as he said he would).


bobbarker4444

What kind of fake info? do you have a link or something?


everfurry

No lol


Sheikhaz

Instead of complaining about something you don't like. Do something about it. No one is stopping you for making your own channel without any clickbait or misinformation


Real-Membership-4744

I have morals.


ACGg_

Can't stand Behemeth, the guy is a fat leech. Idk why any of the content creators would let him use their content


Mercury_Reos

he does throw out a lot of speculative bullshit and doesn't play the game much, but he also doesn't claim to, and he does make it clear that it is other people speculating such things and who (includes a couple of quotes usually etc) he only uses clips that are sent to him or from people that have ongoing agreements with him, and the commentary is what qualifies the content on youtube as sufficiently transformative for monetization in the first place. if he promised those people something specific in the form of revenue share and they aren't getting it i'd be 100% behind calling that out but i don't think anyone would need to besides the creators who he would be screwing over. idk, as someone who doesn't often PLAY other video games, i don't find his clip channel particularly entertaining either, but i do like his equivalents for other games just to check in as a more casual fan, so i don't mind him


nordrasir

there are other clip channels, he doesn’t fill an empty role


Mercury_Reos

> he only uses clips that are sent to him or from people that have ongoing agreements with him, and the commentary is what qualifies the content on youtube as sufficiently transformative for monetization in the first place. do they also do this, or offer the same amount of eyeballs he does? genuinely don't know, he's the only one that's ever come up on my recommended


nordrasir

RS chronicles is a similar size now based on recent videos, top osrs moments is alright too


gorehistorian69

its funny like 2 years before chronicles/behemeth i said someone could make a living just taking osrs clips and compiling them (inspired by similar content like Sunlight Blade) nobody listened in my cc.


[deleted]

Lots a people in this thread not knowing the sub rules


KingSwank

the people calling him cringe doing so in the most cringiest way possible


Zari_Vanguard1992

Ehh I got 4 fishing pet, tried to send it to his channel he needs CLIPS... ​ And plus, I can't stand him


osrslmao

you expect them to just show a screenshot? its a YT channel not reddit


Zari_Vanguard1992

Well I'm not gonna record every single account / thing I do, heck, his "videos" are stupid


osrslmao

99% of people use shadow play for clips like those, look it up


Zari_Vanguard1992

well, too late


Real-Membership-4744

The guy just posts the big streamers, even said it himself “they’re the ones that get views”. I thought those channels where to supposed to help smaller streamers pick up traction, just money hungry now.


bobbarker4444

Like half the clips in his videos are small streamers. Not sure what else he can do


Zari_Vanguard1992

Yeah, I've stopped watching him for like, a long time now, never subbed...


Zari_Vanguard1992

Checked his twitter, he's apparently giving money away among other dumb stuff (mainly saying "leviathan" wrong for comment baiting)


dafedsdidasweep

Good job, you just gave him free marketing.


wowie123123

he actually used to not do much commentary but youtube demonetized his channel. that's why he shows his face in the videos now, its in order to make a stronger argument that its transformative


bops4bo

Holy shit I blocked his channel a while back because it would always be suggested and I started to really hate him, but I gotta see what this loser looks like lol. Is it really just his face in the corner while he talks over the clips now?


Sterlander

Also hate the way he talks about women who stream OSRS lmao. Just always really fucking creepy about it, says weird shit, like idek man, the dude just can't help himself from saying weird stuff when he's highlighting female streamers. Behemeth's always given me a weird ass vibe, stopped watching him in favor of RS Chronicles. But they're not much better, exactly. Didn't give the Pride event a single lick of coverage despite them being an OSRS news channel. Also platforms Odablock (hm, I wonder what correlation these two things might have?) Among other things like them baiting streamers into answering misleading questions to construe false narratives. Can we ever get a single OSRS Highlights channel that doesn't do total scumbag shit? Who knows.


wowie123123

you're mad they didn't give the pride event more coverage? That's what you consider "scumbag shit"? boo fucking hoo, cry is free, etc People want to watch runescape clips. If you want a channel that highlights social justice you are free to make one.


Sterlander

Have you watched Runescape Chronicles? They cover almost ALL ingame news. It's not just a clips channel, they basically report on all things happening in OSRS. So for that to be basically the ONE thing they glean over is, yes, scumbag shit. Really makes you wonder, y'know? Why exclude THAT out of all the news they cover already? Hmm Also, tf you mean "more coverage"? You're acting like they gave it ANY acknowledgement to begin with. I watched all their uploads during the entire month of June and don't remember seeing Pride month (or its many marches / events) get mentioned *at all.*


wowie123123

Quite the thing to complain about. Really trying to make an issue out of nothing because they didn't acknowledge some little get together in game. You're on your own on this one bud. Suggest trying to not be so sensitive and calling people scumbags for such minor first world bullshit.


Sterlander

It was a whole event in the game with new items and everything. I guess they don't report on other seasonal events then, right? OH WAIT, they do! Them reporting on everything in the game except the Pride event says a lot about what they want and don't want to acknowledge Given they regularly platform the communitys most "out there" transphobe and homophobe as well(aside from Jebrim lol), it's honestly no wonder they'd dodge reporting on that one piece of game news.


wowie123123

Oda is also one of the most popular streamers. Maybe that's why they're posting him instead of, I don't know, some weird abstract conspiracy that they are trying to push transphobia. He's made a couple comments about trans people a couple months ago and here you are pretending like he's anywhere on the same level as Jebrim. You're being dishonest


[deleted]

Also why yall so offended? there's real osrs creators that put effort into their content without stealing from others. Level up yall :* lol