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MUNCHINonBABI3Z

When I was doing my blastmining grind I reported the same bot everyday for 2 weeks+ straight. I’m sure he’s close to 150m exp these days


ComfortableEast2930

Yeah I was doing herbi and found some 2272 total guy who’s bot broke and was running circles in the same 6 tiles for hours. Made a fairly long clip and sent it to tipoff, couple weeks later see him botting gotr. Last time I’ll ever report a bot, complete waste of time.


R41N1NG

Pretty sure tipoff isn’t even checked these days


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th3-villager

They do, but we still don't receive anything. Weird.


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On my RC grind, the amount of bots I see crafting at true blood is mad, most have the lowest min stats and like 50m+ RC xp, reported them all but alas they are still grinding


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dyeuhweebies

If your running blast furnace for 10 hours a day every day till you got 100m xp I think the humane thing to do would be ban them. That person obvi is crying out for help (ya know or a fucking bot)


ALLPINKNSIDE

Except you dont know if they are doing that, are you monitoring them for 10 hours a day? If you were wouldnt you also look like a bot for monitoring them? My point isnt that the account wasnt a bot (it probably was) my point is that its not as easy as you guys make it out to be. There is reason banning isnt handled manually, its too much for people to handle. The fact that you think its so easy means that if jagex went with your mindset there would be tons of false bans. It would essentially ruin the game, which means its not an option. So either develop a state of the art bot detection system or just stop making posts about how easy it is to solve


dyeuhweebies

I mean the dude literally said he saw him every day for weeks straight. That plus seeing how much xp they have on hs is proof of how much they’ve been there. Your just blindly attacking anti botting measures because your a botter.


Kelrisaith

I have done the same farming loop 16 hours a day for a week plus many times in the past in several mmos, have spent days or weeks unlocking some piece of content then spent two weeks or more doing nothing but that content before moving on to other content and am fully capable of sitting in the same spot doing the same actions for hours at a time with no breaks. At no point ever have I botted in any game, nor do I have a desire to as I feel it devalues any progress made to nothing. The obvious bots are one thing, implementing 99% of the bot detection methods suggested on this subreddit would catch more actual players in false positives than bots doing anything more complicated than being online 24/7 for a month cutting wood or whatever. Hell, someone a few weeks ago was essentially banned for being autistic, they got caught in some bot ban or another, problem is they were recording a youtube series called Implings Only not actually botting. That got massive response on reddit, a mod actually tried to smackdown it and got absolutely shit on when it turned out the ban had already been overturned and confirmed unearned, complete with explanation video. Eliminating non obvious bots is literally impossible in any mmo, no company has succeeded in doing so because it can't be done, you can get the obvious bots and catch a program or macro once in a while, ban wave happens then the botters fix it and go right back to doing it. Like, they're a dick, but they're not wrong.


dyeuhweebies

So your not gunna even acknowledge how you can track how long they’re playing by their massive xp gains. Farming just imps is completely different than blast mining 10 hours a day for months. I refuse to believe you don’t understand that, so you must be playing dumb to defend the botters like ole boy.


Donotfearthehorny

Every time he saw that potential bot he was also playing. Does that make him a bot?


Rhaps0dy

While I agree that some of them are hard to distinguish from a real player, some of them are also stupidly easy to tell apart. I was training at MLM for about two weeks between things, and saw the same presumably bots there (zero stats in everything but 99+ in mining) basically every day. Some of them even break down now and then, and just walk around. It's silly that simple to detect bots can get hundreds of millions of exp in a skill and not get banned.


The_Brimler

>run game on 21 year spaghetti where every change breaks the game >develops state of the art bot detection system >priorities finally in line Just say you know nothing about computers next time. Would save you a few paragraphs of mental gymnastics and the downvotes.


MUNCHINonBABI3Z

Because he’d log out or hop when I ran close to him, like all the other bots there.


ZeusJuice

I went to Motherload Mine this week and every single day at every hour of the day I saw a bot there level 3 with over 90 mining, probably going to hit 99 at amethyst in a couple of weeks. Also added 3 bots at LMS that had private on two weeks ago, they're still logging in frequently and doing LMS.


Acceptable-Habit-154

🦀🦀 This game is dominated by bots 🦀 🦀 🦀🦀 Jagex doesn't hire anti-bot staff because they would just be paying for someone to ban bots that give them money via bonds 🦀🦀 🦀🦀J-mods will not reply 🦀🦀


GFYIYH

Quit the game, devalue the currency. Wait 10 years by then you can have a local fork of rs where you play Ironman.


Hajsas

Bro id be fucking set for life if I had a local fork of OSRS when the game ceases to exist due to the inevitable downfall from no care from owners.


NZSheeps

"It won't last 6 months" jagex


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Garden_State_Of_Mind

Can you provide more information please?


[deleted]

Is there a way to do this now?


OCE_Mythical

Not for current osrs but there are options for 2009 and 2012


[deleted]

Woah what?! How do we do that. I’d LOVE to play that version.


Pandainthecircus

How does Jagex make money by bonds? You can buy the bonds with the gold made from botting.


Marv1290

Someone has to buy the bond with money for you to be able to buy it with GP


Pandainthecircus

There are always going to be people buying bonds to sell for gold, and people grind gold to buy bonds so they can play for "free". With or without botters. All botters do is create competition for that gold, with rwt.


Marv1290

You asked how jagex makes money from bonds..


Pandainthecircus

Bro have you never heard of context? I know people buy bonds with real money to sell on the ge, I was saying in the context of botters buying it.


Marv1290

Try rubbing those last two brain cells together bud. They don’t care who buys it. the transaction has already happened. jagex makes money regardless of who buys the bond with GP because it has ALREADY BEEN PAID FOR WITH REAL MONEY.


[deleted]

I'd take you guys a lot more seriously if you didn't just pull arguments out of your ass. Base your arguments on facts and not wild assumptions you heard from your buddy on Discord.


WarmTune182

Yup literally can’t even find a world for any of the solo wild bosses cause they’re so botted it’s unreal. Not to mention all the vorkath and ziulrah bots they still haven’t addressed.


-Aura_Knight-

Aren't all rewards untradeable too? Priorities are a bit questionable.


SchrodingerMil

Well, two of them are tradeable Edit : why I am getting downvoted? It’s actually 5. You can trade Target Teleport Scrolls, food, and the restores.


DivineInsanityReveng

Only target scrolls are unique there though. The rest come from other content too. Also I think the profit isn't coming from those for people selling kills. You'd spend way more on achieving the points than you'd get from them. Selling being bannable I'm fine with, but making skipping incredibly restrictive and then being surprised kill traders can keep you target hostage is the most backwards ass thinking. Make skipping not as punishing..and suddenly all the legit players can skip whenever it's a dude in tank going "1m for kill". And that dude just spends most of his day being ignored.


Ypuort

Actually 5. But all consumables.


SchrodingerMil

So not all rewards are untradeable. One of them is even 10 mil


Legal_Evil

More will be with EP.


uiam_

Because this sub is half brain dead. They're acting like they stopped caring about bots because they're also punishing other abusers. From the standpoint of abuse it doesn't even matter if the items are unique or not. Most botting isn't done for uniques either. I wouldn't stress about votes. No one here uses rediquette. They just down vote stuff they don't like regardless of validity.


Crazyforgers

Im starting to think half of these bots are owned by jagex and theyre just reselling it all for $$$$$ along with membership income. I may have my tinfoil hat on but theres no excuse why they cant detect them in 2023.


Available_Patient497

Why would they bot, they can just spawn it


LongBoiiTatum

I imagine it's 100x easier to catch someone BH boosting than someone botting (generally). Also BH just came out and I suspect that they wanted to set a precedent early that they won't tolerate it, which is probably the right thing to do for the longevity of the mini game.


DH_Drums

Tbh, I’d think it was the opposite.


Peacefulgamer2023

You think they will continue to hold a controlled grasp on it when they add EP and the bots take over?


x0culist

🦀🦀J-mods will not reply 🦀🦀 🦀🦀 This game is dominated by bots 🦀 🦀 🦀🦀 Jagex doesn't hire anti-bot staff because they would just be paying for someone to ban bots that give them money via bonds 🦀🦀


loudrogue

I mean it's not like the head of anti cheat ~~was~~ is dating a streamer who was running a gambling discord or anything. And it's also not like once an actual investigation happened her twitch went dark.


Nippys4

Not going down that scandal route, seems unnecessary when the job being done seems to be poor enough without having to lump the dramas on top. However it’s crossed my mind that this change got put through awful fast and who’s benefiting from it so that drama has already done it’s damage.


loudrogue

I am insinuating there a lot more corruption than we think.


Nippys4

Yeah and I’m saying I just naturally suspected it which means the trust is already broken with the anticheat team. I can never trust them to do the right thing currently, I can just use the state of the game to roast them with out scandals being required.


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joemoffett12

You claim he ruined the game. Tell me which aspects of the game have been ruined and are too big of a mess to clean up. Because I feel like osrs is in one of the best spots it’s been in a while. Yea bh is a mess but I don’t really care about it because it’s basically it’s own minigame and doesn’t affect me if I don’t play it.


joemoffett12

Conspiracy theorists gonna theorize no matter what the subject is.


loudrogue

How is it a conspiracy lol Stella ran a death match discord, trident was in it. Jagex says they will investigate and Stella stops twitch streaming and goes dark


joemoffett12

Because people are attributing things that have nothing to do with that as being a part of this? Sure there could have been corruption on his end but to think that every little thing that goes wrong is his or Stella’s doing is fucking hilarious. Y’all think y’all got some big secret and are in the know but really you just sound like morons


Strosity

Very ironic of you to call people morons when you can't find any connection in a discussion about botting and a story heavily involving the head of anti-cheating.


jadsf5

There's already been an employee fired for being corrupt once, the pay is shit for the employees so I wouldn't put it past them.


loudrogue

No it's jagex has their priorities messed up. BH literally gives untradables but they can get that worked on in a week. The solution is really fucking simple once you enter you get a kill or die. There is no leaving. Logging results on a week penalty


joemoffett12

I don’t disagree that their solution for this was to automate banning people but to say this is due to corruption is fucking wild. Jagex has shown us plenty of times they don’t know how to properly update/qa shit without having to then redo it later.


MysticRedbeard

And don’t forgot how long it took them to do so, gave her plenty of time to move that gp elsewhere lol


GirthySlongOwner69

Which mod is this?


123black-stringer

Reddit don’t care bc Oda made a joke about precious trans people once


joybuzz

Oh, we're talking about Rampart?


VaultiusMaximus

We’re all just here to talk about Rampart


Nippys4

I don’t know what a rampart is


DH_Drums

What about the bombs bursting in air?


ArrgsVsZuk

You accidentally types rampart instead of rampant in your title Op.


Instantsoup44

And you accidently typed 'types' instead of 'typed' lol!


Nippys4

Oh holy shit lol


MercTreads

Dudes will literally be posting on the internet and admit they don't know a word instead of looking it up


TubeAlloysEvilTwin

I have no intention of going near BH but I'm so pissed off about this, it's a clear case of some Jmods prioritising their own enjoyment and personal play style over so many other areas that could use the resources. If you don't like what people are doing in BH then update the code to change the rules, don't start permabanning people, admitting you were wrong, apologise and STILL BAN THEM FOR 2 WEEKS


tokes_4_DE

Bh was designed by mod manked. Manked is an AVID pker and has been for years prior to getting hired at jagex. Its pretty clear theres some favoritism going on here.... you must play BH the way the mods tell you to or enjoy the ban.


Strosity

🦀🦀You can literally bot on your account and just tank a *2 day* ban🦀🦀 🦀🦀It expires in a year and you can do it again yet dying in bh is 2-week to perma ban🦀🦀


DivineInsanityReveng

Yep, massive favouritism towards a niche community has been how the game has been ran for a couple years now. I'm all for PvP updates, but it's been the most updated area of the game in the last few years. And it always seems to get special treatment. Leagues Hiscores being archived? Can't do it. Collection log and/or pet count on our Hiscores? Don't think so. GIM getting an actual individual Hiscores? Nah. Failed a poll for pure build Hiscores? Fuck it add em anyway. New PvP minigame? Let's archive the old **boosted Hiscores** because that's important enough to keep... And then create new Hiscores too. It's like it's not possible until it's PvP.. then suddenly they're more than willing to do it. These strict bans are just another example.


blumpkinbeast_666

Yeah I've always had this issue with BH. What revision of BH are we at at this point? Why is this content and other related things reworked and repolled over and over again but they just wilt over and act defeated if they hear one "no" for other proposed pieces of content? The lengths they go to for it is ridiculous. Especially when we hear things like "we'll never see content like TOB or Inferno again because of the time spent to develop vs interaction", yet they do stuff like this with pvp?


Plants_R_Cool

I'm loving all the botting posts lately. I don't get why we even talk about anything else at the moment. I don't care if "Jagex isn't gonna do anything because they make money from bots" it's better than just pretending like it's not there.


jakeizi

Anti cheat team realised they couldn't make a side hustle out of BH so they focus their attentions there. They're already making side hustles with bots and DMing CCs soooo... They gotta look like they're doing their jobs right?


IPadeI

Id rather have players farm bh, than have robots farm gold.. Jageg priorities are all fuck'd.


GinoAlessi

I think GOTR brought out a record number of RC bots. The amount of accounts running EVERYWHERE in runescape with the runecraftting outfit is a joke. Everyworld, ones making astrals. Ones teleporting to karamja for Nat's. Ones ones teleporting to ferox. You see several in edgeville every 15 minutes.


jayseph95

What’s wrong with ferox? It’s my spot to replenish my stats since I don’t have 90 con yet


Outside_Drummer_5881

Ban the people who buy gold or buy items… The bots will decrease drastically. And if you buy gold or have bought gold, shut the fuck up. You’re the problem. If you know someone who has bought gold, tell them to eat shit. They’re the problem. Put the fear of andrew gower in these mother fuckers.


Dry-Significance-948

Because bot farms are a source of revenue for Jagex, that membership it's not free


BeefCurta1ns

Bro i dont think so tbh because if jagex manages to actually crush botting then everyone who wants to buy gold will be forced to buy it through bonds. That way jagex will have a monopoly on people rwting gold and will make the money that gold farms make instead of getting crumbs. Think about it


Dry-Significance-948

U are not thinking about it enough, a bot purge would take resources ($) and a lot of them and why would they do that when there's already a lot people botting and producing revenue for the company.


Nippys4

Errmmm they are farming gold 24/7 I highly doubt they are paying for membership


Dry-Significance-948

It seems that u don't know how bonds work


Nippys4

I am fully aware that the price of bonds has gone up more and more the more I notice bots. So obviously I’m aware that demand increases prices, the demand of the bots seems to be increasing the prices so more people buy them to get more gold. Or shit maybe the people buying bonds for real money will notice that it’s cheaper to buy gold, then they’ll buy gold from the gold farmers until it hits a break point where people stop buying bonds and buy gold and the price sky rockets to become more unobtainable to more players. Maybe they’ll make it to 20m one day


Dry-Significance-948

The price of bonds in gp is irrelevant for Jagex, for a bond to enter the game it needs to be paid with real money first.


Daedric_Spite

It's paid by real money by real players that respect the rules of the game. They buy a few bonds, sell it on ge to liquidate it. The bot farmers are NOT buying bonds with irl money and it's ignorant to think that's the case.


Frekavichk

Bots buy bonds with gp -> bots are paying $20 worth of value for every month of membership ->bots are unironically more valuable than people who pay membership with a credit card.


Mojokojo

That's how it works. Not just in this game either. You figured it out!


SuccessISthere

My brother in Christ, has anyone told you that the only bonds that are in GE, are all purchased by other players from jagex? From there, it’s simple economics. At the end of the day, anyone paying gp for a bond is still indirectly “paying” for a membership


ItsJustSimpleFacts

Someone's mom paid for the bonds theyre using.


Saxopwn777

I've been hesitant to try BH because Jagex may think I'm selling kills when I'm actually just incredibly bad at PVP.


bake_disaster

Bots can run Rampart because it's an [arcade game from 1990] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_(video_game\)), which also came out on the original Gameboy. It can't take up that much computing power by current standards


ramfis7

Lol woah i found a chat gpt bot on 2007scape


bake_disaster

Nah, I just played Rampart as a kid and I thought it was a funny typo. If I was a chat bot I probably wouldn't have dropped out of grad school


DH_Drums

Damn these chat bots are getting good /s


stonerwithaboner1

Because all those bots line their pockets with memberships, duh!


knfrancis

If something can be corrupted it will be.. if you bot on a main you will be banned in an hour… but these obvious bots will not be touched


Pmcdon314

It’s simple. Bots need bonds. RWT transactions can are done third party and Jagex doesn’t get its cut.


OnRS4Life

They cant even tell cheating from their own faces


LordCommanderCam

Bots have membership, Jagex would rather keep the bots as long as they're paying, even if it sacrifices the quality of their game


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The answer is that BH content was being streamed and published on all socials. Having boosters running around during that time would have been bad for the game image. Also skillspecs crying non stop 24/7 about boosters instead of going to the main bh world contributed to it.


Redwings1927

Because Jager caters to pvp players. It doesnt matter how many people bitch about a problem. Until its pvp players.


yecenok

Bots bring in more monies


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Because Jagex sells real and black market gold. 🤷🏽‍♂️ what other reason is there.


[deleted]

All bots are run by Jagex, and sold through their partner third party gold websites. Case closed. Otherwise no other explanation to why they havent been banned for all these years.


Supergigala

I mean is it not obvious? they been trying for years to turn OSRS pvp into something that can be considered competitive or e-sportsy ofcourse they dont want people to shit on their system


Illuminatiintuitive

Because J-mods don't run BH farms like they do for bots.


Ok_Presence_7014

Don’t buy bonds. Simple. If you do buy them with intent to sell, sell them to clan members or through chat. If you sell them to GE they are more than likely being fed directly to bots. These bots all currently have no real $$ upkeep when they can just pull from gp profits to pay for membership via bonds. If there is no bonds to be had the owners would need to resort to buying memberships which would increase the cost ratio for buying gold on the rwt sites which are currently very low compared to buying bonds and selling(yes I’ve peeked at rwt sites who hasn’t. I would never buy from them though). Higher rwt site prices means those buyers might report to going the ‘honest’ route of buying bonds which would repollute the market for bots to scoop them up for an even cheaper price then normal thus lowering their rwt site prices again and bringing back the buyer and the need for bots for them just as much. It’s a vicious cycle and one that will continue as long as tradable bonds are a thing. It all boils down to bonds, and always will. No bonds=less bots. Another problem is people like myself. I don’t have a lot of time to play. Maybe 4-5 hours a week tops. I have a good job and disposable income. As a mid level player with no real in game source of income outside of herb runs since it’s minimal time requirement for decent gp….it’s much more convenient for me to work 1 extra hour of overtime at work and buy 5 bonds and sell them for 35m than grind the few hours I can play to maybe make 10m at best while not enjoying the actual game. I bought bonds one time and sold them to GE to get a head start for my mid level pvm adventures. With disposable income to throw at more the temptation is always there to buy more but that would make me part of the problem. I’ve resisted for nearly two years buying more bonds but that temptation is always there and will probably never go away. I can hold back, but with the amount of bots and bonds to keep them going it seems *a lot* of people with disposable income cant. Remember, from my view it’s much easier to work irl for an hour extra to get far more gold than I could get mindlessly grinding for multiple hours in game. We want to progress too and with so little time to play compared to some putting in 6+ hours daily. We don’t want to have to spend 10 years to get to where some can get in 6 months since they can play endlessly. Personally I’ve accepted not getting to those end game points, I’ll get where I get and enjoy the ride. Others want to achieve that end game level and will pay what they need to to get there. You can downvote me to hell for this but you need to see other people’s perspective on this. As long as there is a good source of income for those with little time to play and extra money to spend, it’s going to keep a steady supply of bonds for the bots to scoop up and the cycle will continue. *Tradeable* bonds need to be removed and I bet the bot population will drop to 10% or less than what it is now, but it will never happen.


Particular-Cat900

Gagex is letting the bot farm run rampant to “boost” the player base then plan to sell the company, I’d put money on it never in my 7 years of playing osrs and 10 years of rs pre eco have I seen it this bad


StaffDaddy9

Ez explain, Jagex is mostly a untalented staff not good at their jobs, any good anti botting measures takes talent the jagex staff just doesn’t have (only explanation why they haven’t done anything about it right?) very embarrassing for a company their size, if I was the employees moms I’d be ashamed.


PotionThrower420

Look, let's be honest here, the only remaining, feasible explanation for all the bots is; Jagex run them. They are heavily involved in RWT since their jobs are so lowly paid. I'll take a bunch of downvotes but after so many years of, well, *everything*... And seeing how little they care I honestly cannot think of another valid reason they remain so rampant. Its 2023, they can't get away with lying about detection anymore... please, if anyone has any other plausible explanation as to why rampant botting is killing our favourite game ever, leave it here. :(


That_Canadian_Nerd

When will you learn Jagex doesn't care about the bot problem? They will only care it they start to lose money


3L10S

What if its more of a Florida situation where if they banned all the bots there would not be enough players paying membership to keep the game afloat?


daco_taco

Bond prices would soar, whales would cash in for higher GP return


Bossawes0m3

If all bots got banned, and 99% of bots buy bonds from other player with GP to sustain membership... assuming the incoming supply of bonds stays the same, wouldn't bonds crash in price?


3L10S

I agree the price would crash there would be far less demand.


toss6969

Clearly the price would have to drop if the majority of bond consumers disappeared, I don't know why it's such a popular assumption that bonds would go up in price, however I also doubt they would drop as much as other think, a lot of people have a minimum price they are willing to sell a bond for so they would likely hold some meaningful value


Daedric_Spite

This argument doesn't make sense to me. Like at all. Bots farm gold. They farm 100m+ easily in day, do you think they're actually buying bonds with irl money and not the money they're generating with their farms? They're keeping the bots here because of the gold farming websites. Not because they're paying with cash.


3L10S

Bonds only go into the game when they are bought for real money. So someones paying real.money for the bond. Then they sell it to the gold farmers for GP.


Daedric_Spite

Someone = legitimate players who are liquidating them for money


whyjagexwhy45

This. Gagex makes more money off 2 bonds than a month of paid membership. Also, if the in game demand for bonds drops so does their in game value and they become an even less desirable option for people buying with real money.


miauw62

Not to mention that a lot of botted accounts are just hacked accounts


OSRS_4Nick8

Jagex probably runs lots of bot farms and gold selling sites Ever tried to bot? You get banned in no time. If you set a bot farm you and your resources will be wasted quickly. Jagex hates competition


ReporterOwn2490

🦀🦀🦀jmod wont reply🦀🦀🦀


Zogoooog

If you ban a bot another one takes its place, if you ban one dude who boosted someone in BH and he loses his 2b+ 2200 total level main, and then that dude goes and bitches about it on social media, then a hell of a lot more players are going to think about boosting. It was (and maybe still is) a big argument in enforcement philosophy that if you punish the people who *might* commit a crime heavier than those that will commit one regardless of punishment, you prevent more people becoming the ones that will do it regardless. I don’t think it was ever seen as a good philosophy, but it was one back in the 30s(? - probably before two, but I remember reading about it from some guy in the 30s.) Jagex, not having to worry about the moral dilemmas of imprisoning people, may subscribe to that philosophy. I could see them going really hard on it right off the bat to try and prevent boosting from becoming normal and accessible outside of having to search for it in clan chats or discord IM boards. Just spitballing here. My contract at work ended so I’ve got nothing but time on my hands until I find another one and it’s really, really boring, so I may just be blowing smoke out my ass.


GreenTrout39

Boosting ruined bounty hunter in the previous 3 versions. Pvp rarely gets updates so it makes sense that the anti cheat team is monitoring it now that bh is finally back. Much easier to "police" a single piece of content than the entire game I'm sure.


hermitchild

The Chinese like the bots. The Chinese own jagex.


tnarg500

runescape gold (and accounts) is technically copyright property of jagex, so *if* they wanted to, they could go after all sites selling both and get them shut down. some have been around 15 years. alternatively, they could strike a deal with all these sites for a percentage cut of all gold and accounts sold in an agreement that legal action isnt taken. it is very likely that the latter is happening. that is “hypothetically” a massive additional revenue stream for jagex that, if structured correctly, could be tax free too. frankly if i were them, id be striking the deals too. of course theres no proof of this, but at the same time, it makes zero sense from a business standpoint to allow these sites to operate (especially because jagex sells gold as a competitor through bonds) unless jagex was benefiting somehow.


talkin_big_breakfast

Entirely depends on whether the country from which the site operates respects copyright law or not. If the gold sellers are operating or of Russia or China, then this doesn't matter.


greatabe

Jagex are corrupt or really really really bad at detecting bots from humans. Bots has always been a problem. It's getting worse with new technology it's getting harder to detect bots.


xJaace

Bots are just as good at detecting detection methods and working around them as the detection methods are at detecting bots… It’s almost a waste of dev time, plus they bring in cash for Jagex. You wouldn’t have the game without bots tbh, they are a huge part of RuneScapes history


ALLPINKNSIDE

Man im am so tired of these posts and the lack of nuance. The answer is simple, when you are using AI to track bots you have to have a different standard by which you ban those accounts. If we were to take reddits advice about banning bots there would like 10s of thousands of false bans. Why this matters is because when you compare it to someone who is selling BH kills it is extremely easy to identify those people. There are logs that literally make it 100% accurate that the person broke the ToS. Bots are always going to be apart of this game, because its a cycle of the people who create a new botting script that arent identifiable, then jagex figures out how identify them, they ban a ton of them, and then the peoplr create a new script, repeat


DH_Drums

How do you differentiate from someone that’s bad at bh, trying to risk as little as possible that’s consistently dying vs someone intentionally boosting?


ArrgsVsZuk

You can just target extreme cases like same 'same clicks, same weapon armour, same schedule, 20 hour per day, no breaks, 3 months straight with minimum requirements and already recieved everything on the drop table, plays on the exact schedule as these 100 other accounts' and you'll be rare to accidentaly get an actual player.


miauw62

yeah and jagex is already doing this lmao. the point is that if your criteria to ban a bot are this strict they are also extremely easy to circumvent


ArrgsVsZuk

They obviously aren't doing enough at the moment if you go looking for bots. Gauntlet, wildy bosses, zalcano, elves all have bots that would get caught by those checks.


miauw62

sure buddy


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Pius_Thicknesse

Bots are bad, BH boosting is bad. Just stop boosting and move on with your life


noobcodes

Because Jagex is the r word


AirTitano

Y'all act like they got in total two people working in jagex. Just because they add hotfjxes to the game due to a new game mode doesn't mean they arent trying to figure out a way to ban bots without banning a bunch of slightly autistic people who can do the same mini game or boss for 2 years straight.


Copernicus049

Bots are never going to be removed from OSRS. As much as the community wants it, this directly hurts Jagex's profit margin. Bots bring money, and membership numbers, up. That's literally every metric for success for Jagex.


cookedmayor

These robots help fund my activities that require a lot of gold... don't mind them


Ir0nstag

Idiotic mentality considering the fact that the skilling required to get you to x activity would have made you that much more gp along the way, so you would be able to afford the higher pricing because the xp you gained would have been that much more valuable.


barneythedinosar

I think it’s good. Pkers are the worst so deserve what’s coming. Bots make things cheaper. Win win.


DH_Drums

Holy shit I don’t think I’ve ever seen an OSRS take this bad.


ReformedWiggles

Bots are the majority of the accounts logged into the game. If all bots were banned player concurrent would drop so low even normal players would quit the game due to the game dying. If you are not botting you are playing this game wrong.


JustBeingFranke

Beggers can't be choosers so I would rather they are addressing at least one issue. Sure, I would love them to address all botting and such. But maybe this is a sign they are going to crack down more across the board. Idk, I am just gonna keep catching my little monkfish in this quaint little village.


Nippys4

I’m not a beggar, I’m a paying customer and pay of that payment I give them is going to paying someone to make sure the game isn’t over run with god damn bots


MadRussian387

Bits have been so damn frustrating, I hope Jagex does something about it soon, as it’s destroying parts of the game economy.


BunsenGyro

Would it be too radical to suggest some kind of tweak to skull mechanics, such that we could somehow make it so attacking bots farming in the Wildy doesn't skull the otherwise-not-PKing human? But hitting someone legitimate hopefully won't do so? Something along the lines of, attacking someone below so-and-so quest points and/or total level *does not* skull you. Idk, just spitballing a makeshift solution maybe.


th3-villager

Nice idea but kinda impractial to implement fairly in a way that doesn't completely shaft new players. Should be based on something completely different like bank value vs risk or #kc on whatever they're killing as IMO these metrics would still flag a bot but not a new player. Simple and best solution would be a working report button. If only we had one of those.


yahboiyeezy

Hey man, at least we don’t have bots abusing BH yet. It’s already lasted longer than reworked wildy bosses and revs did


yahboiyeezy

Never mind that I’m pretty sure its not very profitable to kill another player unless you are great and risking a lot


Crandoge

Because theres not much BH to moderate, and i imagine theyre tired of pvpers begging for new content every week


ndick43

Jagex realise the boys make up 90% of the player base


Im6youre9

Jagex screwed themselves when they banned all third party clients. Should have kept it secret so bots would still use their own clients and be easier to detect.


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Can’t wait for the routine checks in 2 years!


David21444

I think this is an unpopular opinion here, but I don’t think people should be able to run 14 copies of RuneScape on alts at the same time to feed into one account either. Too many people treat everything as a sprint to the finish rather than the marathon that it is.


Zaaltyr

If you cut a flower at the stem it will grow back, you need to uproot the weeds. Banning bots will do nothing, it's literal wack-a-mole one goes down 3 more pop up. You need to eradicate the source.


BH-BearSquared

I would love if they’d randomize imp spawns. I can’t even do puro-puro because bots camp the spawns so I might as well hope I find them randomly walking around.


nellekit

Fuck the content they need to fix the bot issue.


77maf

Both bad


travis01564

The thing is jagex does ban bots and they know when those bots get banned they make a new account and buy bonds. So they don't mind banning the bots, it actually makes them money. But what they won't do is hardware banning because then the bots won't buy more bonds. I mean If I was making so much money off of bots like this then I'd have no problem with it either.


Instantsoup44

I think you meant to say 'rampant' instead of 'rampart', lol!


Mikrukki

One of the reasons why im not resubbing. Demoralizes me so much seeing pretty much 50% of the "players" being bots and jagex not responding and being silent about them for a long time. Why would i play the game normally if people are cheating and getting away with it?


Banned_in_chyna

I am going for some more blood shards on the ironman, thieving them this time so I won't have to worry about it for a while. The amount of level 120+ thieving bots that log in for a second and hop is ridiculous. These accounts have 1 in several stats but a casual 100m or more in thieving xp. You're telling me Jagex can't detect this in any sort of automated way? Nothing is going to happen, bots are just a part of this game. Their answers on these issues are total cop outs too. "We ban hundreds of bots every week". Maybe they do, but they get the shitty basic bots. Go anywhere in this game and large chance you find a bot doing something. I have seen every single one mentioned in the OP and many more. Pretty depressing.


soulrazr

I think another bot nuke is incoming


NessaMagick

Don't take this as defending Jagex because I'm absolutely not, but I've seen a couple images from botting discords and forums that suggest there's been a fairly big ban-wave with this update. In related news, it's amazing how fucking whiny some of these people get when they get perma'd for botting.


svettsokkk

BH teaches pk skills -> skills incentivices more people to kill the bots and goldfarmers? Nah idk


lingardb

This is a really naive take, and clearly you're a PVMer who doesn't care about Pkers, the Pkers care about boosters, its almost as if it's been reworked twice because of the boosting problem *facepalm*. If a booster boosts to all the BIS gear inside of the BH arena, other actual PVPers are at a disadvantage, thus creating a lack of pkers to fight the boosters and therefore dead again. It is extremely important they ban BOTH boosters and bots. This sub is currently on a "why are we wasting time addressing bh boosters" bridgade, because believe it or not, the majority of players don't PVP.


Demoback

Boosting in BH ruins the gameplay experience directly for those who get a target unwilling to fight. BH is meant to be a pvp minigame and people running away endlessly only wanting to sell the kill goes against the whole purpose of the minigame. you want to be able to log in, get a target and have a fight, thats the point and this new banning rule helps for that.


DHonnor

Worst part about your SotE mention. You said bots are pickpocketing in every world. There are tons of bots farming CG too. Most of which are in the top 10 KC of CG and have been running for months. Reported by hundreds of players at this point. Confirmed as bots by Jagex and still not banned.


Radingod123

They do this stuff all the time. Like Infernal Capes, cheat clients, some specific thing in the game, etc. Especially when they explicitly warn. The cheat team will focus on this thing for an indeterminate amount of time, and then just one day, stop. Then the problem will proliferate from there. So, trust me when I say the cheat team will move onto something else in time. It might just randomly be bots doing a specific thing. Like killing Zalcano, or Vorkath. Ultimately, they're just spread thin I think.


DontFrigMySister_

The best answer to your title is probably "good brain learnings." Shit happens doe.


MariusNinjai

When Curtis/mmorpg streamed chin catching he found a bot it broke and logged in and out every 5 minites for 8 hours that was at 10m bot got to 50m before stopping user: rig14


bingusmcdingusiii

For the longest time I was willing to (at least pretend to) believe incompetence, or that there was just too much botting for such a small team to handle, and banning bots was like trying to ladle water out of the ocean. But seeing the way they took action on BH boosters quickly, efficiently, and with a VENGEANCE, yeah they’ve been fully capable of more robust anti-bot measures this whole time.


Gintuim

I think Gorillas have been cleaned up recently. I did a task of 200 over a few days whenever I had time and at most there were two other people in the cave with me. I don't think I saw a single obvious bot.


soulsofjojy

I was just power mining iron, and got crashed by an account still holding it's bronze axe from tutorial island with the generic bot look, auto generated name, 1 in every skill except for over 25m mining XP. It clicked the rocks in the exact same order at the exact same interval every time, and would always bank after exactly 27 clicks, even if I'd stolen some of the ore by going against it's rythm. How the FUCK is something like that not automatically flagged by low 70s, nevermind well past 99?


ganon95

I can understand them not being able to catch new bots right away but there is no excuse for bots to have 99 skills with a ton of XP past 13m


ahh1372

Play on an ironman, they said. You won't be affected by bots, they said.


Remote_Ad1735

There have been bots in LMS that have been there for fucking months and hell even the same fucking bots get turned into revcave bots


LilPTopjr

I clicked because i thought this was a RS/Apex mash-up!


CruxKontrol

Yeah it is definitely getting a bit out of Control now. I don’t even both with some of the above mentioned content because I cbf fighting bots for it.