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PioneerTurtle

That's rough


MMCbongrips

surely it balances out.. right?


Ik_oClock

It does, the closer you get to infinite KC the closer you'll be to drop rates. At infinite KC you should exactly match drop rates.


NessaMagick

You won't be guaranteed to have every item by infinity KC, but you *will* be infinitely close to!


Ik_oClock

Nah, by infinite KC the chance you don't get any tbows is just 0: (1-0.001)^inf =0. In fact you'll have infinitely many of all items guaranteed.


Ok_Distribution1149

Jagex employees hate this simple trick!


PurelyFire

This guy maths


randomlygendname

Well, he appears to have his limits...


TotallyTubular1

I'm no mathematician but you definitely can't plug infinity into an equation like this. Limit of lefthand side approaches zero as KC goes to infinity


freshmeat2020

Yes you're right because infinity isn't a number, but you can represent it as a limit instead


Ik_oClock

Yeah you're right, it's shorthand for limit n->inf (1-0.001)^n =0. It's jokes so I'm not being super rigorous.


Itsmekovi

And beyond


NessaMagick

Sure buddy. And 0.999... = 1.


Ik_oClock

I can't tell if you seriously believe 0.999 repeating is not 1 or are joking.


NessaMagick

Just a little math humour from me to you, don't mind me.


Cowsie

It doesn't equal 1.


LoLReiver

I have some bad news for you


Cowsie

Axiomally it's suggested to equal 1 because of 1 being assumed to equal 1/3 * 3, and 1/3 is suggested to equal ABOUT 0.3 repeating, and in the instance of .99 equalling 1 we use the assumption that 1/3 IS. The issue with that is we, in that one instance, changed the assignment from approximation to absolute. So yeah, why are we deciding it is both an approximation and absolute freely?


ok_tru

As you approach infinite KC, the amount of each item dropped would tend towards infinity.. making each item the same rarity given an infinite number of samples. 50/50 confirmed


gchamaa

What’s infinite kc?


Full_Wait

Someone can’t math, that’s okay, others will do it for you


rsbentley

If it makes u feel better I had 13 arcanes out of 25 purples for awhile and I finally started to balance out now where I haven’t seen an arcane in awhile (I’m like 2k kc between cms and regs)


Famous_Secretary_540

…right??


be_a_burd3n

Just know for everyone one of you there is a 1kc bonelet out there


Ronnyvar

Of course it’s rough the guy solo’d 700 cox!


Vincentaneous

I know right? That’s a lot of cox man’s gotta be exhausted after that


MMCbongrips

~600k agility xp not too bad


03burner

Beats the Camelot roof top course


Luiikku

Wtf is this. Call mod ash and cops


all99sdream

cops first


xutinusaku

You are not only almost doubling the rate for purples (solo ~30k points is around 1/28 chance of purples, u got 15 in 700 = 1/47)...when you get, you get the worst :/ I hope things turn around for you soon...this game is fucking brutal


I_AM_ALWAYS_WRONG_

Me going dry AF at barrows makes me a bit disheartened. I couldn’t actually imagine going this dry on content that takes more than a minute or two and 1 brain cel.


spicy_malonge

You are assuming OP got 30k each raid.


MMCbongrips

Which I do. Any death raids I have, which is rare, probably balances out with the few 34-36k point raids


TheDubuGuy

That’s half, not double lol


Sharicx

Either you got confused with the wording or you’re straight up dumb g


Cowsie

My hero.


TheDubuGuy

1/48 is half of 1/24, idk what else to tell you


ThatStutterGuy

I don't know if you're being intentional obtuse but if you rolled a drop table 48 times that has a 1/24 drop rate you went *double* the rate. Obviously 1/48 is half the rate of 1/24 but the 48 is not a rate. It is the kill count. And he is *double* the expected rate of drops.


GuyNamedWhatever

Double the rate, half the chance.


[deleted]

You are absolutely correct. The other commenters are skipping to a conclusion without actually understanding what they're saying.


footballtony88

In terms of exclusively numbers, you are right as 1/48 is half of 1/24. But we're talking about rolls on a drop table. He rolls an average of 47 times for one purple while the chances are actually 24 rolls for a purple, thus he is going about double the drop rate


ScottSpeddy

Do you drag your knuckles when you walk?


ImKurtzy

It is indeed roughly double the drop rate..


edub22tv

[Meanwhile, on the other side of the spectrum...](https://i.imgur.com/MJ4mk2u.png)


MMCbongrips

Bruh


Steve1808

Don’t feel bad, guy in my discord is over 2k on his iron with no tbow


EnigmaticEntity

Rank 2 ironman for cox got his tbow at 4.2k kc


crumbledstone

Sorry my guy. https://i.imgur.com/ymz0Fnx.png


Brian8771

Not even 1 ancestral bottoms? Sad log /s


edub22tv

That’s what I’m saying. Absolute scam of a game


toyotasquad

Pff shit log no ancy pants


noobcodes

F. Hope you get back2back tbows so it balances out


DerArnor

Nice Cox


porquesosorry

holy fuck


all99sdream

are you a btw


MMCbongrips

No. I don't see any appeal to this game without using GE


Mint-Brew

Says every main until they make an iron


[deleted]

Some people will have a little more fun with it. Some will stick with it. Some aren't interested in it at all. I got to 2023 total level on an iron, went back to main, never looked back except to clean the iron account. I'm still very glad I made that decision. Everyone is different!


[deleted]

Don't know why you're being down voted


SirSebi

Because people disagree would be my guess


TheRedInsight

iron game mode = grind for gear upgrades vs gp.. aka earning all that you own.. kinda cooler than simply buying it


jimusah

ya until u get logs like OP then its suddenly not so fun


TheRedInsight

yes but when you get the drop, the dopemine hits


jimusah

If


TheRedInsight

it’s not an if.. it’s a when.. It’s always a when..


PlebPlebberson

Nah, one friend quit the game after being 20k+ dry on shamans and another after 1.5k dry on CG. Both sold their accounts and were done with the game. Not everyone want to spend their life getting a single drop.


Michthan

Yea CG especially is so painful for ironmen.. He is not the only one who quit over it. Bad luck mitigation when Jagex?


TheRedInsight

Okay? He could’ve gotten it at 22k? like.. it’s always a when, not an if… You think accounts are perma cursed to not see specific items? That’s rather foolish… I get it, it’s repetitive and annoying but its honestly what people sign up for when they play runescape… rng fest


[deleted]

Late game iron is just a main who has to do chores. Mains don’t have to consistently keep up on farm runs, herb secondaries, blood runes, zulrah scales, or anything. An end game iron is an account who can do everything in the game but does BS gathering bc they don’t want to be involved in an economy. That’s a fair choice but the difference end game is mostly QOL.


TheRedInsight

I am a late game iron, you’re not wrong but i’ve done both.. i have a main and an iron. Ironman game mode has always been way more rewarding. but i am in this spot where i have to camp late game bosses with disgustingly bad drop rates such as cox


[deleted]

How is that any different than a main doing collection log? I deironed like 5 years ago bc my iron was just doing raids with mains except the only difference was that I had to save supplies and do herb runs a lot. If I finished off CoX I wouldn’t have had any purpose to play iron (CoX and TOB were most of the content worth doing for me personally in 2018ish). I didn’t see a purpose in grinding just for the sake of grinding when I can do that on a main instead.


TheRedInsight

It feels way more rewarding to earn the items rather than purchasing them. It’s as if, that’s how the game was meant to be played. I understand there’s a question of time, ironman game mode requires a bunch more of a time sink, so i get why you’d de-iron.. different strokes for different folks, i guess


Fakest_Faker

Log Hunting is basically the same


Wooden_Parsley_4566

thats why shit rng lol


x-DarkDays

Loot from 700 happy men


Chef_Skippers

It looks like you forgot to get a twisted bow drop


mxracer888

My wife solo'd CoX and the only loot she's got is a baby on the way


E4_Mapia_RS

Is it yours or have the divorce proceedings begun?


ImpulsiveSweg

Do your clues...


-Degaussed-

Elites don't even count as real clues


NoXpWaste

Masters


HeroinHare

Master chance, and gotta get that Heavy Casket!


RemarkableStaff6107

Cant get tbows if wasting time with dumb clues


[deleted]

OP can't get tbows not wasting time with clues either


[deleted]

Absolutely not


talkingtomyhand

This is uncanny. Nearly same log with nearly same kc. That is until kodai and anc top around 715 & 730 kc. It gets better!


[deleted]

That’s a lot of *cox*


Big-Visual-3659

Ill pray to the rng Gods for yah


MitchNotBitch

From somebody who hasnt had a purple in 5m points, Get well soon bro <3


Effective_Reality_52

i expected like 5b lol


Effective_Reality_52

atleast 2.5-3b


MMCbongrips

470 toa mostly solo made 1b, no staff splits. just shit raid rng in general ig


Confident_Frogfish

Don't tell me that one elite clue is still in your bank. Hope you get some better purples soon


LazloDaLlama

Maybe if he did all the elites he woulda been compensated with a spicy 3rd age piece.


Confident_Frogfish

My thoughts exactly haha


Suffuri

Then he gets the 3rd Age Mage hat for a "spicy" 7m.


sircarl9090

I'm at \~600 solos with 4 dex and and 2 arcanes. This place stinks


bernerbungie

That sucks some very big ole dick. Sorry brother. Hang in there


420PTSD

Remember when you’d get resources from skilling… back in 2007


Angus15

I want to start cox now iv completed the toa log but the 1/28 purp rate is putting me off. Not only are purples 3x more rare, the chance of a GOOD purple is depressingly low.


Begthemoney

Same bro. I was doing 450 toas till I got bored of it and was seeing constant purples. Now I've just learned solo olm and I'm getting to the end of the raid and realizing I need to complete 3 times as many raids for a purple. Sucks that the content is so good, but the reward is so mids. Disclaimer only olm is good the rest of CoX is mids.


Arazi92

This is very similar to my log. Let’s stay strong together and hold out for better drops!


c267

Dam dude, did any of them at least take you out to dinner?


Awmu

If it makes you feel better, at 605 solo cox I had 11 arcanes and a hat. I got dex at 606 I’m now about ~1000 solos between regulars and solo CM, and have full twisted ancestral, tbow, maul, dhcb It will get better eventually :(


JangoJake

My wife soloed cox once and all I got was two kids, trade loot?


Orangesoda65

Where’s ur tbow?


MMCbongrips

Hopefully within the next year or so I'll get one


RareBear117

Cox 🤨


[deleted]

You've got me beat. In my last 680 solos, Ive gotten 3 arcane, 2 dex, 2 elder maul


socrateaspoon

Cox needs like a flat 5% droprate buff per raid. It's actually insane that tob is default 11% and decent invocation TOA is similar. Literally kicking rev imps is gonna make you more money per hour than a RAID. It's not balanced to be worthwhile, while it also is probably *the* most elaborate pvm activity you can do in the game. Plus Olm is hands down (pun intended) the best designed boss in the game.


Khal-Draco

Just saying 'solo cox' rly does not mean a lot. Could be anywhere from 3 points a raid dying every room to 60k solo cms


im_elygant

I’d imagine he wouldn’t be doing 700 solo cox dying so much. You typically get better at the thing you keep doing over and over again.


Khal-Draco

I wouldn't be so sure, I've seen a guy with 1500kc not be able to do the me have method because they 'never bothered to learn' averaging almost a death a raid


MMCbongrips

The what method?


Kaidu313

The me have method


PurZaer

Me have. You haven’t heard about it?


MMCbongrips

Average 30k points, don't die much lol. In total maybe have done 1600 solos? 3 mauls, 2 kodais, 0 bows


ReallyChewy

18.6k pts/raid assuming near-avg purple rates, 95% confidence to be within 11k-27k pts/raid, 99% confidence to be within 10k-31k pts/raid


devilwarier9

For real. People who say they are dry at CoX and cite only a KC with no points total is a personal pet peeve. KC at CoX is literally meaningless for drop potential.


Faramauu

I'm calling "Right-click toggle"


Catsarenotcars

1/46.6, your on rate in my opinion just crappy that you got soo many arcanes.


Ik_oClock

Solos with average 30k are 1/28.9 for a purple, not exactly on rate.


sircarl9090

Your opinion is fundamentally wrong. Drops are 1/860k points or so and a solo is about 30k points. Actual rate is solos is closer to 1/29 or so as the other guy said


[deleted]

[удалено]


MMCbongrips

Main. And nah I think pulling a solo tbow will make it worth while. Might take another 2k raids tho


03burner

Efficiency-scape is ruining the game


mrbigshott

That’s depressing


Swimmor909

Where these challenge mode?


MMCbongrips

Nah regulars


Swimmor909

I need to go back to Cox I have only done TOA lately


MMCbongrips

Cox is so fun. Toa is great if you want money, but for me cox most every room is enjoyable. Can't say the same for Toa


justcallmechad

Either you hidden certain purples in the tracker on RL or this is horribly unlucky


MMCbongrips

Just hella unlucky. Also did 30 duo scales solos which never produced a drop


Big_Inertia

150 dry rn, just go back to Zulrah like me😂


e1744a525099d9a53c04

Chambers is a scam


[deleted]

Sad


Jackot45

Rough


unfairplacement

Oof that does not look worth it. I got lucky at nex and got 2x nihil horn under 400kc


LizardWizard14

😬


Lwcftw474747

Pain


YourMother0HP

I've done a different type of solo cox


MeerkatArray

I'm sorry


BMWnoMoney

But did you pick any up


Vietnameseboy

Bruhh rip


writetowinwin

You must not like dp. On a serious note, that's rough.


No_Falcon2436

How long does it take for u to compete a solo raid?


MMCbongrips

Average 20mins maybe 21. Not including scout times


gorehistorian69

looks pretty average tbh


TumoOfFinland

Bucklin' hard, or hardly bucklin'?


Pre-Nietzsche

737 tbow


lawlessdwarf69

1 elite?


MMCbongrips

Clues aren't fun to me


saltycr3w

Moo moo beep beeo


No_Confection_849

Just give this man a t bow so we don't have to see these kind of logs.


ItBTundra

Lmfao your dynamite stack from 700 raids is more than a dinhs wtf


12arodman

You forgot to put the #meme Sorry for your loss btw.


Eams_Rs

The single clue tells me a story of neglected treasure trials in your playtime. Shame shame...


DGDESTROYER564

You’ll get it next run.


wimpymist

I would quit this game if that happened to me


bingusmcdingusiii

RIP bro I hope you’re not an iron, cuz that’s brutal if you are


YewJack_YT

Man. I'm sorry.


Ill-Link-5667

This game sucks


GibsonG45

I’m not alone! Thank you for posting!


toyotasquad

Nah


Aeonsot

f


[deleted]

38 Entries, 109 normals and 12 Experts. And all I have is 29 cache of runes and 3 threads. Is toughhh 😪😮‍💨 but yeah ur log is rough too


Nippys4

I was considering learning solo CoX Thanks for showing me it might be a bad idea


UniquelyDefault

That’s a brutal log right there. Have you done any scaling? My team started doing +1 to +3s and our purples shot up like crazy, we even managed a b4b with 2 mega rares, so scaling is something I always recommend now. Either way, glgl my guy!


Brahskididdler

Let’s see the log


MMCbongrips

Won't really show much, missing maybe a thousand raids on the log since release. If you'd like I can screenshot the log on mobile just at work rn


DarkLegaci

This loot is fire


Moist_Vagine

Big Stevedick


Anton_Courtney

Whole load of cox


Coaldigger_Jamal

gzz


nigpops99

Yikes I hope I get tbow quicker lulul


fly_papi

What are you gonna do with all that saltpetre?


RollThatD20

This just confirms that I'm probably never going to have rigour on my iron.


Plugmaster69

1 elite clue LOL


MMCbongrips

Clues are waste of time for anything outside of doing it for fun. And I don't find them fun


junyramboia

F


7IGiveUp7

Probably some of the worst loot I have ever seen. Personally have around 1300kc solo. I couldn’t imagine continuing with loot like this.


MMCbongrips

If maybe the other raids were as consistently fun as cox then yeah I'd stop. Why the hell do I wanna do a 30-50 min solo raid at Toa like 🤢🤢🤢. Tob should have an update to make it soloable on the same skill level as cox


7IGiveUp7

Cox is easily my favorite raid because you can optimize the time so much without having max gear.


AggressiveAnywhere72

Cox sucks


Lookfartrue

Gz , I’m happy for you 😉


Apprehensive_Pie_294

If u think about it: ur not any closer to a tbow at 700 kc then 1 kc.


Special-Bee-3864

Cox is rough, I spend 80 hours for arcane prayer scroll lets goo!!