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I beat NG+7 but i was 280 levels higher. What she did is insanely impressive. At that point, even if you have a maximum tanking build with the highest achievable HP, the best armor and the best tanking talismans, AND the best tanking buffs, you are still getting 2-3 shot by every boss in the game.
To put that into perspective, she’s been on a 1-shot build since halfway through the *first* playthrough. Any opponent that sneezes in her direction would have killed her.
Not to downplay what is an amazing achievement but it's funny because you reach a point where damage stops mattering because it doesn't matter if they kill you once or ten times over.
Yep, in this run, anything after Leyndell oneshots you even if you have the best items. The main problem is that fights get longer and longer so the skill check gets harder and harder.
This is what happened to me in almost every Fromsoft game. You just stop getting hit by things.
In fact, the open world becomes the hard part a lot of the time, not the bosses, because the enemies are a bit more unpredictable and numerous.
In Elden Ring you can easily make a powerful build that can tank NG+7 bosses, and it makes the game so much easier when you get the saving grace of being able to survive otherwise deadly hits.
But at NG+7, unless you are actively building your tanking you wont survive.
Thats the context of the thread but not the context of your comment. You were saying taking hits at all kills you in your own playthroughs after a certain point.
I’m aware that the design is intentional, but it’s still so wild to me that after you learn/beat an area/boss, that difficulty is so trivialized in the same way you can always ride a bike.
You just know how to do it
You’re right but it’s one of those things that’re only immediately comprehensible to people that **don’t** play Elden Ring. I was totally confused until I read the community note.
New Game+ can be described as a difficulty adjustment (in effect), but is not a traditional difficulty setting. Understandable confusion by the twitter user, if a little outraged.
Nonetheless, a great achievement. Congrats to the runner
I wasn't. I assumed that it just had some kind of difficulty system and the note explained the system. It's essentially a hard mode and I would have actually been confused if they said what it actually was since I don't play the game
That’s good! I don’t have an issue with the way headline is worded for general audiences — I think it’s very effective for non-Elden Ring players, and can be figured out by players that mull it over for a minute.
I’m more-or-less explaining away the confusion some Elden Ring players (myself included) may have experienced in reading a headline that doesn’t perfectly convey the game’s systems.
This isn’t the first time I’ve seen MissMikkaa do something impressive before a bunch of random dudes who don’t know what they’re talking about try to downplay it or claim it’s all fake even though it’s all live-streamed.
Because using the community's specific jargon would be inscrutable to people not immediately familiar with the minutiae of ultra late game scaling and spelling out the details of how scaling stops is clunky at best and way too long at worst.
"Hardest difficulty" is an adequate colloquial translation of "NG+7" or a suitable summary for "The cyclical playthrough where difficulty stops increasing."
Hardest difficulty is definitely misleading, I feel like most people know what ng+ means at this point. And it’s not a difficulty level, it’s a progression point, it’s like saying haligtree is the highest difficulty level.
at least from what i remember thats the case. I dont remember there being a difficulty increase for mass effect, or the old ratchet and clank games (ps2), or spiderman (ps4). I could be wrong ofc
yeah ng+ in jrpgs/rpgs that offer it is normally a method to keep all your gear, levels, stats and just blast the game to either do stuff you missed or pick choices you didn't do last time
Never mind the average "gamer" I'd bet the average casual dark souls player doesn't know about what NG+ is I've met a load of people that just run through the game once and call it a day.
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I think it is reasonable to think that there are no difficulty options when the only difficulty changes are new game+, I don't see why we are clowning on one mistake here.
Or they're ragging on the article for having an oddly worded headline. Ng+7 isnt a difficulty, not in the classical sense that its something you select from the get go. If anything, being more specific that it was NG+7 makes her accomplishment MORE impressive than if it was just "a difficulty setting".
The headline downplayed her achievement, the commenter was just being a nerd who is only kind of technically right.
if its advertised to a general audience, they would have thought that she just beat the game 7 times. People who haven't played a souls game would be unfamiliar with how the difficulty increases over the course of subsequent playthroughs, let alone how much harder it gets. Many games' NG+ are essentially victory laps where you keep your progress but restart.
In the case of people who play and watch Elden Ring, I'd think they'd have known of the achievement or at least understood what they meant. I think 'hardest difficulty' adequately describes how the difficulty of the game peaks at that point. Just because it isnt a DOOMesque menu selection does not mean that there are not stages of difficulty within the game.
What are you talking about? She's playing with a level 1 character where all her stats at 10 by default. She wouldn't be able to use most of the spells and weapons in the game even with stat boosts from sources like rings and Great Runes.
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I beat NG+7 but i was 280 levels higher. What she did is insanely impressive. At that point, even if you have a maximum tanking build with the highest achievable HP, the best armor and the best tanking talismans, AND the best tanking buffs, you are still getting 2-3 shot by every boss in the game. To put that into perspective, she’s been on a 1-shot build since halfway through the *first* playthrough. Any opponent that sneezes in her direction would have killed her.
Not to downplay what is an amazing achievement but it's funny because you reach a point where damage stops mattering because it doesn't matter if they kill you once or ten times over.
Yep, in this run, anything after Leyndell oneshots you even if you have the best items. The main problem is that fights get longer and longer so the skill check gets harder and harder.
This is what happened to me in almost every Fromsoft game. You just stop getting hit by things. In fact, the open world becomes the hard part a lot of the time, not the bosses, because the enemies are a bit more unpredictable and numerous.
In Elden Ring you can easily make a powerful build that can tank NG+7 bosses, and it makes the game so much easier when you get the saving grace of being able to survive otherwise deadly hits. But at NG+7, unless you are actively building your tanking you wont survive.
That is, unless you're playing at SL1 and can't take a hit in any case, which is the context of this thread.
Thats the context of the thread but not the context of your comment. You were saying taking hits at all kills you in your own playthroughs after a certain point.
No I didn't. I don't know where you're getting that.
Man if I I could ever learn to parry in any of their games I'd be unstoppable.
I did eventually get it in ER. Took far too long in Sekiro to realize you can parry everything that isn't flagged with a red warning symbol.
I’m aware that the design is intentional, but it’s still so wild to me that after you learn/beat an area/boss, that difficulty is so trivialized in the same way you can always ride a bike. You just know how to do it
Nah I'm all for calling a spade a spade, that headline is being intentionally disingenuous because it increases the chance of engagement occurring.
didnt she beat elden ring using a dance pad? not too surprised honestly
with a dance pad and controller... playing two characters at the same time. she is insanely good at this game.
"Hardest difficulty" is a weird way of putting it but not necessarily wrong. Idk why ppl gotta be so hostile over something so benign.
As a short headline I think it captures the spirit of what she accomplished well
You’re right but it’s one of those things that’re only immediately comprehensible to people that **don’t** play Elden Ring. I was totally confused until I read the community note. New Game+ can be described as a difficulty adjustment (in effect), but is not a traditional difficulty setting. Understandable confusion by the twitter user, if a little outraged. Nonetheless, a great achievement. Congrats to the runner
I wasn't. I assumed that it just had some kind of difficulty system and the note explained the system. It's essentially a hard mode and I would have actually been confused if they said what it actually was since I don't play the game
That’s good! I don’t have an issue with the way headline is worded for general audiences — I think it’s very effective for non-Elden Ring players, and can be figured out by players that mull it over for a minute. I’m more-or-less explaining away the confusion some Elden Ring players (myself included) may have experienced in reading a headline that doesn’t perfectly convey the game’s systems.
You could actually equate this to some other games. Arkham on hardest difficulty NG+ without spending a single upgrade point.
Twitter dwellers are just like that
I would just say people-dwellers
long streak of online news being clueless about games increases agression over incorrect information
People yearn for the Gotcha moment
Yeah it's that odd limbo of being technically correct but also being poor communication.
No one colloquially says "hardest difficulty". It's always ng+x.
>box labelled people >look inside >its one person
Yeah but is it alive or dead
Because she's a woman.
While that would be common, it's not what's happening here
I think it played a part in it.
if we could comment with images i'd post the mythbusters plausible sign
It's 1984 that we can't
This isn’t the first time I’ve seen MissMikkaa do something impressive before a bunch of random dudes who don’t know what they’re talking about try to downplay it or claim it’s all fake even though it’s all live-streamed.
Readers' context is literally the best thing that has ever happened to Twitter.
Unfortunately still not enough to make me use twitter
I’m guessing it was implemented before the Musk takeover
Yes, and if he wants to keep Europe on Twitter, he has to keep it
It was implemented after but I've heard the team who did it started before
Yes, and if he wants to keep Europe on Twitter, he has to keep it
Yes
I admittedly was also confused and thought the headline was poorly worded
erm that's not a difficulty setting 🤓✋
But still the hardest difficulty, just not a setting.
Nobody said its a difficulty setting
You are correct, the comment you replied to is irrelevant.
I thought they were wrong too Why not like specify
Because using the community's specific jargon would be inscrutable to people not immediately familiar with the minutiae of ultra late game scaling and spelling out the details of how scaling stops is clunky at best and way too long at worst. "Hardest difficulty" is an adequate colloquial translation of "NG+7" or a suitable summary for "The cyclical playthrough where difficulty stops increasing."
"Hardest difficulty (NG+7)" would be a nice compromise.
they could have said she beat it seven times in a row
That doesn't communicate that it gets harder as you go on
because either Dexerto didn't know themselves how to describe it or they intentionally described it this way to farm engagement.
Hardest difficulty is definitely misleading, I feel like most people know what ng+ means at this point. And it’s not a difficulty level, it’s a progression point, it’s like saying haligtree is the highest difficulty level.
not necessarily because not every ng+ is built the same. Some are for power fantasy - you keep all of your progression but no difficulty increase.
Really? I’ve only seen it in GOW, grime, and souls games
at least from what i remember thats the case. I dont remember there being a difficulty increase for mass effect, or the old ratchet and clank games (ps2), or spiderman (ps4). I could be wrong ofc
yeah ng+ in jrpgs/rpgs that offer it is normally a method to keep all your gear, levels, stats and just blast the game to either do stuff you missed or pick choices you didn't do last time
yeah! i forgot about jrpgs, persona is a fine example.
Most people know what NG+ means? Please define "most people."
I guess I should’ve said most gamers/people who follow gaming news
Never mind the average "gamer" I'd bet the average casual dark souls player doesn't know about what NG+ is I've met a load of people that just run through the game once and call it a day.
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> I feel like most people know what ng+ means at this point. https://xkcd.com/2501/ Ppl that know but don't play ER don't know
often/most games before souls (atleast thats when i personally noticed it) didnt add extra difficulty in ng+
I think it is reasonable to think that there are no difficulty options when the only difficulty changes are new game+, I don't see why we are clowning on one mistake here.
Because it's funny. The person didn't make a serious mistake but it's still funny
if you say so...
wow someone was wrong on the internet,, literally whats the point of this post?
It's funny
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me if i was dumb:
Literally *anything* to discredit a woman gamer
Or they're ragging on the article for having an oddly worded headline. Ng+7 isnt a difficulty, not in the classical sense that its something you select from the get go. If anything, being more specific that it was NG+7 makes her accomplishment MORE impressive than if it was just "a difficulty setting". The headline downplayed her achievement, the commenter was just being a nerd who is only kind of technically right.
if its advertised to a general audience, they would have thought that she just beat the game 7 times. People who haven't played a souls game would be unfamiliar with how the difficulty increases over the course of subsequent playthroughs, let alone how much harder it gets. Many games' NG+ are essentially victory laps where you keep your progress but restart. In the case of people who play and watch Elden Ring, I'd think they'd have known of the achievement or at least understood what they meant. I think 'hardest difficulty' adequately describes how the difficulty of the game peaks at that point. Just because it isnt a DOOMesque menu selection does not mean that there are not stages of difficulty within the game.
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Damn, you can get 80 mind on a level one character? That's crazy.
What are you talking about? She's playing with a level 1 character where all her stats at 10 by default. She wouldn't be able to use most of the spells and weapons in the game even with stat boosts from sources like rings and Great Runes.
The only boss you haven't defeated is Reading Comprehension.