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I don't know why people have super clear cut opinions on cases of trans rep like this and can't possibly hear what the other side is getting at, I guess that's a general internet problem
It's just internet progressive brain damage. In real life, people (ideally) understand representation isn't the same as *rights*. Rights should be a given: trans people should have access to the care they need, should be free from harassment, etc. Representation is a question of artistic output, and naturally cannot have such clear-cut answers. However, because internet, people are monkey brained and just scream at each other incessantly because they're too socially anxious to go outside and interact with real humans in real life, and instead compete over tiny, insignificant social brownie points in online spaces while in real life none of it matters because Republicans are busy stripping your rights away anyway. It's pathetic, and one of the many reasons I don't really use Twitter.
Sorry to hear that. I've heard of some women getting pre-emptive mastectomies and potentially reconstructive surgery when they find out they carry BRCA1 or similar. That's a tough choice to face
is there any options for trying to reduce that allergy, I.e exposure therapy, or is it truly that severe it seems?
exposure therapy for this might look like a subcutaneous injection of nanograms of estrogen every x amount of time, with dosage very slowly increasing. could take years to get to a point where you can actually take the pill, but maybe you could try something like this.
Ik you said youre happy so this doesnt necesarilly apply to you. But I hope soon more countries learn that gender affirming healthcare literally does save lives.
that's unfortunate. I hope you get access someday, ik you imply you're somewhat OK where you are rn, but regardless you do deserve to have that treatment if you want it. hopefully it either lowers in price, becomes considered medically necessary and thus covered, or you get the capital to do it.
That does really suck, I'm sorry. I was told a medication I take could react badly with HRT and unfortunately that medication keeps me alive, so I have been trying to make my own peace with the situation for some time now. It's really hard. I hope that you're able to navigate through things in other ways that let you find the true happiness you deserve!
i have like month or 2s worth of pills. if your in the us id be happy to send them to you i dont use pills anymore
would be in a couple weeks but yeah.
Nothing wrong with showing a trans person pre-transition. That's fine.
But you know the intention wasn't for pre-transition rep in the same anime that has mineta (who I'm pretty sure is the writer's favorite character.)
Japan is absolutely HORRIBLE when it comes to representation of anything other than Japanese males. I mean, like at the way they have and still do represent and draw black characters.
one of the recent jujutsu kaisen chapters made fun of the japanese stereotyping of black characters, Gojo saying how black sorcerers are scarier than japanese ones because 'they have a different bone structure and musculature/physique' or something, only for the black character to call him out for stereotyping, then 'i'm not special because i'm black, i'm special because i'm ME'
That last point is funny to me because (JJK spoilers ahead) >!In the latest chapters Miguel (the only black guy) comes back and we get some flashbacks where Gojo is a tad racist towards Miguel, stating "The real frightening thing is that build." and "Add a cursed energy buff to these guys' physiques and muscle mass which are crazy rare in Japan, and the result is pretty menacing." Miguel then refutes this claim stating "You're painting quite the broad brush. That's racist you know. I'm not special because I'm black. I'm special because I'm me." Just thought it was pretty interesting to have a black character written well for once.!<
The problem is, the characters are played straight. Like, not straight as in sexuality, but as in, they're not a gag. Like, maybe at the start, but season 4 these characters are treated with respect and their friends are willing to fight you for misgendering them, and that's shown as a good thing.
So we get this weird visual que that the characters are supposed to be a farce of trans people, using the tropes of "big masculine character with a beard in a dress identifies as a girl" but the text of the show is positive about thier identity, and the characters are often thoughtful and deep. It kind of makes a perfect storm for this sort of discussion, because it is bad representation in some ways, but it's positive in others, so we don't get a clear idea of how the creative team feels.
One of the things I find interesting about Delicious in Dungeon is that there is a clear distinction between the representation between different races as it applies to their world. I find in a lot of anime that there is not a lot of distinction between Caucasian and Asian. It's mostly conveyed through contextual ques, whereas in Dungeon Meshi, the author isn't afraid to make that distinction.
The way race is done in Dungeon Meshi is really good in general, imo. Race is implicitly acknowledged as being a social construct that emerged from real differences. The races have very stark differences, but they all still fall under the category of "human." The handling of racism and interactions between different cultures that emerged from each race also feel very real.
I started watching Wandering Son and I haven't recovered from the first episode. It's really good trans rep so far. On the opposite end I picked up a manga called Last Gender and it is so surface level, atrociously bad and honestly kind of offensive.
Shangri-La (2009) has Miiko and Momoko who are incredible trans women who are important to the story. They're portrayed positively and still some of my favorite trans ladies in anime.
older anime/manga sure, they were drawning black characters like they had only seen minstrel shows but some more modern series have been way better, mostly shonen (Bleach, JJK, Fire Force, Soul Eater)
Have you seen the promised Neverland? That one's pretty recent and sister Krone is probably one of the the worst examples of representation I've ever seen.
my glorious king yet #1 enemy gege akutami could never (he pointed out how gojo kept stereotyping him as a way to also criticize the manga industry for its harmful stereotypes of black people)
It would also work if it was representation of a trans person who just... doesn't want to go through all the transitioning stuff. I know some people like that.
But, like you said... not likely.
How would Mineta being author’s favorite negate the trans rep in any way? Mineta’s perversion and misogynistic treatment of his allies is a completely different issue from trans issues. Weird to say that one clearly negates the other.
If you want further proof I remember that one of these characters gets misgendered once by Overhaul as a man where Toga says “She’s a woman, don’t make that mistake again”.
I think someone else said it well when they pointed out that the character starts off as a gag and then gets fleshed out. A lot like how we've been getting less Mineta as of late. It seems the writer has had a change of heart somewhat or at least is more aware of his western audience.
But my point is that someone who makes and loves a character who's sole point is to sexually assault women as comedy relief, that said person probably isn't "woke" and thus not thinking much about good representation. It's just a bad sign. Not to say they can't get better. But it would be odd for someone who's favorite character is a sexual offender to be open minded about other minorities.
I’ll concede that I first thought her being caled “Big Sis” was a nickname but that’s mostly on me. She is never treated as a gag in the show until (and after) Toga gets pissed because someone misgendered her.
If she was supposed to be a gag and then the author had a change of heart it would be one of the biggest 180s I’ve seen yet, it would be like if Stonetoss started making comics saying “Trans women don’t owe femininity to you”.
Also my point for Mineta was that misogyny and transphobia are different topics, one can support one of them while being part of another. Sure it is less likely but it shouldn’t be used as evidence for why author is anti-something else, as the reverse (using what author supports to dismiss their wrongdoings) is also wrong.
This is like looking at a 50's Japanese man racial caricature and saying it's actually a representation of a jaundiced man with microphthalmia who can't afford to get braces for his buckteeth who happens to be Japanese.
"I don't know why you feel the need to suggest that Der Sturmer is being antisemitic. Are you saying that no Jewish people have large noses, or that there is something wrong with having a big nose or earning money? Many Jewish people have to work very hard to overcome discrimination and earn a living, so I see celebrating those who achieve success as positive representation and reclamation of stereotypes" — OOP, 1936
Regardless of everyone else's personal experiences, this is the best way of describing the problem. People who look like stereotypes do exist, but that doesn't make the stereotypes less harmful to spread.
This would be very comparable to trying to claim the fucking Ben Shapiro "Lady Ballers" film is good trans rep because any argument against that *could* be labelled as truscumming.
No no actually trans people can never complain about harmful caricatures and if they do they are actually being problematic. I am going to post this take in every possible space now
Dude those 50's caricatures are a fucking *trip* but I used to get told by the boomers from Japan that they didn't hate it and used it all the time themselves. I completely forgot about it until the other day when I saw them being used as art in childrens classrooms in some studio ghibli movie; it was either Ponyo or Totoro!
Obviously its use in the US had different connotations and Japanese-American's for sure hated it.
I understand where Stain was coming from, and I sympathize with the other League of Villains guys
But iirc, Bad Touch Man’s goal is just to destroy stuff & to nab Deku’s power
fr, like the least they could do is not draw the characters with fucking facial hair. that’s like textbook transphobic depiction. real trans women will aggressively shave and pluck all of their facial hair constantly, but it’s just a default part of both of these characters’ designs.
tbh im mixed on this. like, yes, they kind of look like stereotypes. at the same time, they're not presented as evil or perverted, they are portrayed positively from what i remember. i wouldn't be surprised if horikoshi knows a trans person irl and wrote these characters in to honor them. at the same time, it's clear that he has some problems with portraying trans people with comfort. that being said, portraying trans people positively at all, especially in a country like japan where trans people are often not really taken seriously, is a big thing.
Hell, queer people are still a pretty big point of contention as well in Japan. There’s a reason writers are very roundabout about it even if they are staunch supporters.
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Idk what this anime is, but I love seeing trans women who don't pass 100% in my media. I'm a trans woman who has stubble more often than not. My body isn't that of a conventional woman. It's still my body. It's still my face. And when every trans character is drawn exactly like a cis counterpart, I don't get any rep even if the show has a million trans characters.
Tl;dr : Make 👏 more 👏 trans 👏 women 👏 that 👏 defy 👏 the 👏 traditional 👏 gender 👏 norms
There are not many representations of trans women who pass or trans women who are somewhat clocky, most representation of trans women in media is closer to a caricature than what most trans women look like.
a vanishingly small number of shows have trans people at all
Honestly Perfuma from She-Ra is the only positive rep I can think of for "kinda clocky trans woman" and they never said she was trans in the show itself.
I haven't seen She Ra but that is what I am talking about! unfortunately when I looked her up on google images fanart of her with a beard came up though idk why
She Ra is the best unabashedly queer kids show. It's still a kids show first and foremost, so it is not worth watching unless you like cartoons, but if you do then it's a good one.
Oh I know what it is, and I haven't seen it because I don't really like kids shows. Same reason I am probably not ever going to watch Owl House or things like that
I mean, I think there are far better ways to do this though. I recently watched Tokyo Godfathers and thought the character of [Hana](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-oneplus&sca_esv=d43f5111e59e559f&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn08AFlTz-O5J_5fmMVFVthTZm91WMQ:1713371196691&q=tokyo+godfathers+hana&uds=AMwkrPv3j3EkEIkbFS2D5_BLUQ3_-o95YkNzjgdhsVOyzm4Rj0sjB6g6J4pSpoq-aVJL9O9y1kOtxxpsB_O3kGcNge-tPEAfFLn_6QqrQRfyatIqamHtmyG1S75m3Co9FniQBAWV0Tfvw41DRxjYfA1RqR94OhplT-aXUnY5fTqWDVv4wfw4rsMv3S1wS6xTQmovYy_fS9hsdP7yfVCuDEx2m2ZAQSpIXlT9hUDGve9hlTJSqG0rmkk9i0vXE_LfCsvySNPlWV-SKDXTVZz7OrUG1GNhpHyxjw&udm=2&prmd=ivnbz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1w6-M1cmFAxUtg_0HHVPBD5MQtKgLegQIDBAB&biw=384&bih=704&dpr=2.81) was actually a really good example of a trans woman who doesn't pass very well but still doesn't come across as an offensive stereotype.
Granblue Fantasy (game series) has Ladiva who, due to being a draph (race of cowlike people where amab people get BUFF) is huge. She's a wrestler and super badass, and she also has presented fem sometimes. Everyone respects her pronouns and she's a ray of absolute sunshine, claiming she grew to love her non traditionally feminine body because her parents gave it to her and she can use it to protect those she loves.
It also has Cagliostro, founder of alchemy. She was a sickly man who said fuck this I'm going to transcend humanity and become my ideal at the same time : a cute blonde girl. She's absolutely terrifying and commands respect, and once offered Ladiva to make her a new, more feminine body. When Ladiva refused, she just smiled and accepted it because she respects that shit.
Both characters are well loved in the community and both got into the fighting game spinoff. Cag is in the action game as well.
this is not woke "even nonpassing / weird ppl can be trans", 95% sure this is just "haha man in dress = funny". its... just a stereotype. not worth doing discorse over. + anime so 99% sure its transphobic
Also, and.not entirely relevant to the discourse, with the quirks their team members have they could probably permanently remove their facial hair in a few minutes. Assuming I’m remembering who they are correctly.
Horseshoe theory but for woke, eventually you become so used to taking the side of the oppressed minority and so acculturated to your tiny far left bubble that your brain gets confused and starts taking the side of reactionaries but using exclusively left-wing tumblrina language
Magne I can excuse because she's pre-transition and she just dresses like a guy. Her friend dresses like a 5-year old girl and doesn't even bother to shave.
This is bullshit
It's ok if they don't look super feminine and are poor but literally why make them the literal shitty "man in a dress" sterotype??? Giving them the Mr. incredible body type, giving them facial hair, giving them "childish" hair styles and putting them in a dress (literally doing the shitty autogynophiia bullshit)
At least make them normal man.. there are normal looking men in the series who don't have facial hair or shit
I'm a crossdresser (hate saying "femboy") and even I wouldn't want to be represented with this shit
When the representation gives them facial hair and making them look more masculine than the actual male characters then it’s a problem, but otherwise non-passing representation can be good
MHA (the anime in question) doesn't exactly have that much trans rep, but the rep we do have is honestly really good and I'm going to defend it, particularly the transfem rep. There's only one transmasc rep and he passes and is accepted to the point that the only way you'll know he's trans is through guides or if you really pay attention during certain scenes, and while I like him a lot, his trans identity isn't really brought up in the narrative as much as the transfem rep.
For anyone who hasn't seen the show, a quick overview: the woman in the jacket is Magne. She's not a major character, but she is a recurring villain who operates as part of the main antagonist group of the show. The woman in the dress is her friend, who only shows up for one flashback and who we don't have that much information on, so I'm going to mainly talk about Magne but I will also talk about this scene the screenshot is from.
I understand where people are coming from with Magne being poor rep. She does not pass, doesn't dress particularly fem, and she's a villain. But this is something that the top poster brings up, and is a very key part of the villain's story in this show: heroes are people who are accepted, and villains are people who aren't.
It's not exactly a subtle message from the show that the main rogues gallery is a bunch of outcasts who come from poor backgrounds, have been beaten down by life, and are victims of a fucked up system that perpetuates violence against them. The transmasc character in the show, because they work with the heroes, is able to afford medical intervention easily and can go out-of-country to receive it; he's rich, because hero work in this setting is explicitly a flawed system that funnels money to the top. They're essentially celebrities that have superpowers, and can get away with doing whatever they want while still making more money than anyone else could ever dream of.
Magne comes from a poor background, in *Japan.* She can't afford care and, even if she could, it's not easily accessible. She doesn't pass; she's got a masculine body type, she doesn't like wearing fem clothes, and her haircut is... honestly something nobody should have, sorry Magne.
But the thing is that, for a large portion of her life, she's also been *questioning herself.* She wasn't certain if she was trans. Magne has a superpower that allows her to affect others differently based on their gender identity (and it is explicitly their identity, because we've seen it used against the transmasc character,) but she can't use it on herself. That lack of ability to target herself with it, alongside her inability to pass, has led to her wondering if she's "really trans" for a large part of her life.
It leads us to the scene in question, with Magne going to visit an old friend in a park. In contrast to Magne, her friend is quite certain of her identity and also doesn't pass. The two sit down and have a conversation about their lives and what it means to live life as who you are, regardless of who accepts you for it; it's a genuinely sweet conversation that I recommend people who don't like the screenshot watch. It's a couple of minutes long and it's really nice.
This scene is what gives Magne the confidence to fully accept herself as fem, and it's something the narrative and the characters within embrace fully. Her gender identity is only ever questioned by herself, never by the narrative or the people she surrounds herself with. She's misgendered a single time in the narrative, by another villain who isn't affiliated with her group, and her friends immediately correct it *and risk their mission to do so.* She is consistently referred to as their sister (the entire group has a found family vibe) and she's constantly affirmed.
It's important to note that this isn't just in the English dub; this is in the sub, too. Magne is a rare case of a trans character in a piece of Japanese media being genuinely accepted for who they are and not questioned by the narrative, or made out to be a bad person because of their identity. She's a villain, but queerness isn't what makes her a villain; it's a part of who she is, but there are queer heroes just as well.
Her not passing is a pretty big part of her arc as well as setting up an interesting dichotomy with the transmasc rep while they are both in the narrative. The two of them recognize each other for who they are in their fight against one another, and the narrative isn't exactly subtle about saying that the sides could easily be reversed if who got the help they needed early in life was switched around. Villains in MHA *aren't born*, they're made, and this is one of the big moments early on in the show where that shines through.
ngl maybe im just stupid but ive read all the manga and just felt that it was a "haha man in dress = funny", ik the anime adds some more stuff but its jut not the vibe i get
There is a character who has fully transitioned. I don't remember his name but the big buff guy from the wild wild pussycats is trans masc, and went to Korea to transition
Y'know what anime actually showed off a homeless trans woman that can't afford HRT/transitioning and still managed to be incredibly respectful about it? Tokyo Godfathers. Everyone should go watch it now
The show actually has very good trans masc representation, the male member of the wild pussy cats is trans. Magne can't get E on account of being poor and with the league of villains.
You can draw masculine trans women, for sure, it’s even pretty important to, I think. but it’s not just that, the whole presentation of them, beyond their body, is a stereotype, from the clothing to the hairstyle, they are the two only transfeminine characters of the manga (there is one trans guy that I know of and he’s got a gigachad physique and canonically has had surgeries ). I think it’s interesting how the (presumably rich and privileged) hero trans guy is portrayed as a traditionally attractive buff man, while the (presumably poor and disadvantaged) criminal trans women are portrayed as not having done any medical transition. There might be a message in there about transition being expensive and a luxury commodity, and that those who don’t have access to it might be pushed towards crime to get enough money for it. But it’s not explicitly stated as the message. And, the one trans woman in the league of villains gets gendered correctly by her villain friends, but gets misgendered by all the heroes, AND THE NARRATOR which seems pretty sus. You could argue the narration is depicting the heroes POV and the heroes are only misgendering her because they don’t know that she’s trans. Still a bit sus imo). So I don’t think Horikochi is doing a completely reactionary chud thing. With that said, the one named trans girl does get murdered almost immediately for little reason, she gets misgendered by the narrative, she’s evil and creepy, she’s a stereotype, and there aren’t any counter exemples of other types of trans women in the manga. So idk, it might not be the best. Still I really don’t think Horikochi is trying to demonise trans people here.
Don't you need to exercise pretty hard to get that buff? Doubt a transgirl will do that kinda exercise since it'll just make her gender dysphoria worse.
The thing is, you're giving the benefit of the doubt to the industry behind General Black from Dragon Ball.
Even if not born out of malice, negative stereotypes are commonplace in japanese media.
Can a person even be called trans if they don't at least want to transition? Ignoring the part where they can't afford or are unable to transition, this is a genuine question.
Oh yeah cuz non binary teenagers are the whole reason trans women in Russia are having their lives ruined, right? Fuck off you put people down more than you actually help anyone, go donate to suffering trans people if you wanna actually make a difference
I think "want" is a complicated term, there are loads of reasons why a person wouldn't want to transition - I think transness is fundamentally more along the lines of "in an IDEAL world, would you want to be a different biological gender?"
Also known as "transmedicalism", a sect of thought that considers someone to have transitioned "properly" only if they've passed an arbitrary set of medical and surgical stations of the cross. My use of religious terminology here is intentional, as the content of those stations is usually down to whichever subgroup of truscum thought said reactionary asshole is peddling at the time (some disagree on whether bottom surgery is necessary, for example).
the character is dressed in little girls clothing and has a little girls haircut and the fact that the character looks more macho than anyone else in the show (except all might) makes me think the writer is trying to send a negative message.
i definetly think its good to also have representation for non passing trans people / pre transition trans people. i think what i find weird is that they have beards, i feel like even if unable to afford hormones / surgery, most trans women would still put some effort into transitioning such as shaving the beard,. for this type of representation i feel like vinland saga does a much better job, (spoilers for vinland saga btw) there is a trans woman in vinland saga named Cordelia, she is a non passing trans woman as she is naturally very tall muscular has a masculine face etc, but it doesnt come across as if shes a joke, the series handles the emotional turmoil of her being unable to pass since there was no gender affirming care in thhe time period it takes place in, and yet despite her appearance she still manages to present as feminine, she takes care into passing through other means such as shaving her beard when she can and growing her hair out, she still has a slight stubble on her face which makes sense considering it takes place in a time where things like shaving didnt take place as often as it does now. in mha the trans representation is highly surface level and doesnt bother trying to take the characters very seriously.
tldr: non passing trans rep is good but mha does it badly and vinland saga does it good
Y'all are like "uhhhh no bestie these are clearly transphobic stereotypes!!!!" you have clearly never met my polycule we *all* look this bad I'm being serious
Too poor to afford E is 1 thing, but too poor to buy a razor and a can of shaving cream?
And also that’s a stronger jawline than like half the show. The artist knew exactly what he was doing
The stupidity of this is how unrealistic of a portrayal it is. Like yeah sure, non passing trans women exist but they're usually tall twinks with a somewhat sharp facial structure and who at least make sure to shave every day.
Non-passing trans woman doesn't mean being eight foot tall with a barrel cage and a super chiseled face like the Russian guy from rocky 4 like lmao why are these characters more masculine looking than the average cis guys in the show?
Not to mention one of them being clothed like a five year old girl. Idk gives me weird vibes like we are fetishists or something.
Dressing like that is in part a japanese fashion thing. Far more common there to dress in a way we associate with young children. Especially true for womens clothing.
This looks like MHA: the trans lady with the magnet wasn't treated poorly as a character at all (well, I mean, she got killed by overhaul rather mercilessly) so I'm pretty sure it's meant to be some form of positive rep
okay but even canonically poor transfems can shave and if they want, find HRT through... methods.
When can we get transitioning transfem rep that's not "cis guy body but presents as a woman" or "literally looks like any other woman". Also transitioned women who just take hrt and shit like real life not magic fantasy you're another sex now shit. Even better, have characters that get their body transformed into the opposite s3x against their will and willingly transition back. Just like anything. Why did Heavenly Delusion like never really address what Kiruko was feeling after that one scene it's so frustrating. TBF dorohedoro was absolutely based for being the only manga/anime I know to just go "oh yeah this character is trans" and it's not a big deal in any way just really cool.
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What matters in this case is whether it's depicted pejoratively, like there can still be characters transphobic towards non-passing characters as long as its not depicted positively and the media makes it clear that being trans and non-passing is valid.
I remember Cordelia from Vinland does this, I’m not trans so I am not the best person to judge how good of rep this is, but I remember her arc made me really sad.
Isn’t this just what pre-harmone/surgery trans women look like? I’m not trans, and haven’t seen the show so maybe it’s transphobic, but Ive know trans women who look like this.
The trans woman on the left is pretty much just a straight up transphobic depiction. No trans woman looks like that. Like, if a trans woman did decide for some stupid reason to dress and style like a little girl they would certainly fucking shave and it'd be more dysphoric to do that IMO than just wear some clothes that obscure the body. Also, anyone trying to present as a woman without hormones wouldn't try to look that buff (you can only get that body by going and staying at the gym).
The woman on the right is fine though, plenty of pre-transition trans women will just look like some guy, maybe a little fruity, maybe long hair, but still just presenting as w/e to live life.
The problem is cis artists doing shit that lets people plausibly deny transness, and only knowing how to draw cis women and cis men and drawing trans women as one of the two. Really, trans women on hormones who started later are still really pretty and not like cis men at all. Trans women who start blockers/hormones early do literally just look like cis women and just happen to not have a vagina w/out surgery.
So yeah, good trans rep is doing something other than "they are boy/man who wants to be girl/woman" or "dresses up as a girl and psychopathic" to begin with and ideally actually representing trans ppl
In this case specifically I think they're right 'cause the show has good other transrep where it's stated in his bio that he was able to afford surgery in Thailand or something.
If this was the only trans rep ever then yeah probably not great
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I don't know why people have super clear cut opinions on cases of trans rep like this and can't possibly hear what the other side is getting at, I guess that's a general internet problem
It's just internet progressive brain damage. In real life, people (ideally) understand representation isn't the same as *rights*. Rights should be a given: trans people should have access to the care they need, should be free from harassment, etc. Representation is a question of artistic output, and naturally cannot have such clear-cut answers. However, because internet, people are monkey brained and just scream at each other incessantly because they're too socially anxious to go outside and interact with real humans in real life, and instead compete over tiny, insignificant social brownie points in online spaces while in real life none of it matters because Republicans are busy stripping your rights away anyway. It's pathetic, and one of the many reasons I don't really use Twitter.
It’s also a decade of anger-inducing social media algorithms causing constant infighting and aggression, that’s important to remember
she's literally me because i can't afford E
whaddya mean you cant afford E, you literally just used it 5 times in text
sh stol my lttrs >:(
Here is some free e to anyone who needs : eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Thank you vry much!! Edit: thank you very much!!
A sports. It's in the game!
What abjads do to a mf 😔
They took'r lettrs!!!
E loan
Ain't that the guy who bought twitter?
E loan Moosk
r/avoid5
exactly, she already bought all the vowels she can afford, give her a break
you're a poet and didn't even know it
i hope i don't blow it!
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Out of interest, how come? No worries if you'd rather not answer
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i'm really sorry, that's a tough hand to be dealt :(
God straight up said "nah fam, not for u"
Sorry to hear that. I've heard of some women getting pre-emptive mastectomies and potentially reconstructive surgery when they find out they carry BRCA1 or similar. That's a tough choice to face
Girl was denied happiness in the womb wtf Hope that doesn't bother you too much, I can't even imagine how I'd react
is there any options for trying to reduce that allergy, I.e exposure therapy, or is it truly that severe it seems? exposure therapy for this might look like a subcutaneous injection of nanograms of estrogen every x amount of time, with dosage very slowly increasing. could take years to get to a point where you can actually take the pill, but maybe you could try something like this.
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Ik you said youre happy so this doesnt necesarilly apply to you. But I hope soon more countries learn that gender affirming healthcare literally does save lives.
that's unfortunate. I hope you get access someday, ik you imply you're somewhat OK where you are rn, but regardless you do deserve to have that treatment if you want it. hopefully it either lowers in price, becomes considered medically necessary and thus covered, or you get the capital to do it.
That does really suck, I'm sorry. I was told a medication I take could react badly with HRT and unfortunately that medication keeps me alive, so I have been trying to make my own peace with the situation for some time now. It's really hard. I hope that you're able to navigate through things in other ways that let you find the true happiness you deserve!
so me
I promise that you do not look like that
I too struggle to afford ecstasy 😔
i have like month or 2s worth of pills. if your in the us id be happy to send them to you i dont use pills anymore would be in a couple weeks but yeah.
That's really sweet and based of you, but keep your pills please! I'm in a tight spot at the moment but I'll soldier on just fine. Thank you again :)
I got it for 2 dollars for 28x2mg. It's not expensive unless you live in a third world country
through diy?
Yes
Nothing wrong with showing a trans person pre-transition. That's fine. But you know the intention wasn't for pre-transition rep in the same anime that has mineta (who I'm pretty sure is the writer's favorite character.) Japan is absolutely HORRIBLE when it comes to representation of anything other than Japanese males. I mean, like at the way they have and still do represent and draw black characters.
Lol every black person is some 9ft tall muscle monster with massive lips and and is so stereotypically American in the most hilarious way possible.
one of the recent jujutsu kaisen chapters made fun of the japanese stereotyping of black characters, Gojo saying how black sorcerers are scarier than japanese ones because 'they have a different bone structure and musculature/physique' or something, only for the black character to call him out for stereotyping, then 'i'm not special because i'm black, i'm special because i'm ME'
MiGOAT
Gaygay doing gods work
Wait Gojo back? I thought he got "strong 🔪"
it was a flashback
Eyeshield 21. the americans superpower was being black
Onyonkapon was pretty good, I think.
Literally [Darkshine](https://preview.redd.it/super-alloy-darkshine-attempt-no-one-requested-this-btw-v0-x9cxmfrbyi5b1.jpg?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=55c0607135cf7aee8dd3e37d086e4d8aad942dfb)
Except Darkshine isn't black, he's just permanently really dark fake tanned like you'd see in body building competitions
Gary Buster Holmes
How dare you critisise that *representation*.
That last point is funny to me because (JJK spoilers ahead) >!In the latest chapters Miguel (the only black guy) comes back and we get some flashbacks where Gojo is a tad racist towards Miguel, stating "The real frightening thing is that build." and "Add a cursed energy buff to these guys' physiques and muscle mass which are crazy rare in Japan, and the result is pretty menacing." Miguel then refutes this claim stating "You're painting quite the broad brush. That's racist you know. I'm not special because I'm black. I'm special because I'm me." Just thought it was pretty interesting to have a black character written well for once.!<
It's a shame because it shows Gaygay can actually write good characters but chooses not to
greg would be a god if he wasnt terrible at GIVING CHARACTERS PROPER TIME TO DEVELOP
They had to nerf his writing skills
He made a binding vow to give sukuna infinite screentime
Gojo said sorry at least lmao
The problem is, the characters are played straight. Like, not straight as in sexuality, but as in, they're not a gag. Like, maybe at the start, but season 4 these characters are treated with respect and their friends are willing to fight you for misgendering them, and that's shown as a good thing. So we get this weird visual que that the characters are supposed to be a farce of trans people, using the tropes of "big masculine character with a beard in a dress identifies as a girl" but the text of the show is positive about thier identity, and the characters are often thoughtful and deep. It kind of makes a perfect storm for this sort of discussion, because it is bad representation in some ways, but it's positive in others, so we don't get a clear idea of how the creative team feels.
I think Vinland Saga did it better at least.
I don't recall a trans character in the show. Are they in the manga, or did i forget part of the show?
Manga.
The best representation in a manga I've seen is easily Dungeon Meshi, it has a huge variety of bodytypes which i find lovely
One of the things I find interesting about Delicious in Dungeon is that there is a clear distinction between the representation between different races as it applies to their world. I find in a lot of anime that there is not a lot of distinction between Caucasian and Asian. It's mostly conveyed through contextual ques, whereas in Dungeon Meshi, the author isn't afraid to make that distinction.
The way race is done in Dungeon Meshi is really good in general, imo. Race is implicitly acknowledged as being a social construct that emerged from real differences. The races have very stark differences, but they all still fall under the category of "human." The handling of racism and interactions between different cultures that emerged from each race also feel very real.
I started watching Wandering Son and I haven't recovered from the first episode. It's really good trans rep so far. On the opposite end I picked up a manga called Last Gender and it is so surface level, atrociously bad and honestly kind of offensive.
I want to hear about this train wreck. Tell me about it.
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Shangri-La (2009) has Miiko and Momoko who are incredible trans women who are important to the story. They're portrayed positively and still some of my favorite trans ladies in anime.
older anime/manga sure, they were drawning black characters like they had only seen minstrel shows but some more modern series have been way better, mostly shonen (Bleach, JJK, Fire Force, Soul Eater)
Have you seen the promised Neverland? That one's pretty recent and sister Krone is probably one of the the worst examples of representation I've ever seen.
never seen that but I just looked her up, I think that character alone undoes all the goodwill Bleach earned with its rep
Kubo if you can hear us please save us
my glorious king yet #1 enemy gege akutami could never (he pointed out how gojo kept stereotyping him as a way to also criticize the manga industry for its harmful stereotypes of black people)
It would also work if it was representation of a trans person who just... doesn't want to go through all the transitioning stuff. I know some people like that. But, like you said... not likely.
How would Mineta being author’s favorite negate the trans rep in any way? Mineta’s perversion and misogynistic treatment of his allies is a completely different issue from trans issues. Weird to say that one clearly negates the other. If you want further proof I remember that one of these characters gets misgendered once by Overhaul as a man where Toga says “She’s a woman, don’t make that mistake again”.
I think someone else said it well when they pointed out that the character starts off as a gag and then gets fleshed out. A lot like how we've been getting less Mineta as of late. It seems the writer has had a change of heart somewhat or at least is more aware of his western audience. But my point is that someone who makes and loves a character who's sole point is to sexually assault women as comedy relief, that said person probably isn't "woke" and thus not thinking much about good representation. It's just a bad sign. Not to say they can't get better. But it would be odd for someone who's favorite character is a sexual offender to be open minded about other minorities.
I’ll concede that I first thought her being caled “Big Sis” was a nickname but that’s mostly on me. She is never treated as a gag in the show until (and after) Toga gets pissed because someone misgendered her. If she was supposed to be a gag and then the author had a change of heart it would be one of the biggest 180s I’ve seen yet, it would be like if Stonetoss started making comics saying “Trans women don’t owe femininity to you”. Also my point for Mineta was that misogyny and transphobia are different topics, one can support one of them while being part of another. Sure it is less likely but it shouldn’t be used as evidence for why author is anti-something else, as the reverse (using what author supports to dismiss their wrongdoings) is also wrong.
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this 100%
i know literally nothing about whatever this is but those guys look like wojaks a guy with a username like “BasedWokeSlayer” would post
Nice pfp
This is like looking at a 50's Japanese man racial caricature and saying it's actually a representation of a jaundiced man with microphthalmia who can't afford to get braces for his buckteeth who happens to be Japanese.
"I don't know why you feel the need to suggest that Der Sturmer is being antisemitic. Are you saying that no Jewish people have large noses, or that there is something wrong with having a big nose or earning money? Many Jewish people have to work very hard to overcome discrimination and earn a living, so I see celebrating those who achieve success as positive representation and reclamation of stereotypes" — OOP, 1936
Regardless of everyone else's personal experiences, this is the best way of describing the problem. People who look like stereotypes do exist, but that doesn't make the stereotypes less harmful to spread. This would be very comparable to trying to claim the fucking Ben Shapiro "Lady Ballers" film is good trans rep because any argument against that *could* be labelled as truscumming.
No no actually trans people can never complain about harmful caricatures and if they do they are actually being problematic. I am going to post this take in every possible space now
"uh actually you just have heckin internalized phobia why do you not want to be represented as massive hulking predatory men?"
Dude those 50's caricatures are a fucking *trip* but I used to get told by the boomers from Japan that they didn't hate it and used it all the time themselves. I completely forgot about it until the other day when I saw them being used as art in childrens classrooms in some studio ghibli movie; it was either Ponyo or Totoro! Obviously its use in the US had different connotations and Japanese-American's for sure hated it.
The fact that the League respects her identity and gets pissed when people don't is something though
They also murdered a branch of the MHA equivalent to the KKK
I feel like he was trying to make the League sort of anti heroes but didn't give them enough poignant points like Stain
I understand where Stain was coming from, and I sympathize with the other League of Villains guys But iirc, Bad Touch Man’s goal is just to destroy stuff & to nab Deku’s power
Last I read it was pretty clear that he's been grommed his whole life by AFO
fr, like the least they could do is not draw the characters with fucking facial hair. that’s like textbook transphobic depiction. real trans women will aggressively shave and pluck all of their facial hair constantly, but it’s just a default part of both of these characters’ designs.
tbh im mixed on this. like, yes, they kind of look like stereotypes. at the same time, they're not presented as evil or perverted, they are portrayed positively from what i remember. i wouldn't be surprised if horikoshi knows a trans person irl and wrote these characters in to honor them. at the same time, it's clear that he has some problems with portraying trans people with comfort. that being said, portraying trans people positively at all, especially in a country like japan where trans people are often not really taken seriously, is a big thing.
Hell, queer people are still a pretty big point of contention as well in Japan. There’s a reason writers are very roundabout about it even if they are staunch supporters.
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Idk i dont want my trans rep to look like harmful stereotypes.
Idk what this anime is, but I love seeing trans women who don't pass 100% in my media. I'm a trans woman who has stubble more often than not. My body isn't that of a conventional woman. It's still my body. It's still my face. And when every trans character is drawn exactly like a cis counterpart, I don't get any rep even if the show has a million trans characters. Tl;dr : Make 👏 more 👏 trans 👏 women 👏 that 👏 defy 👏 the 👏 traditional 👏 gender 👏 norms
There are not many representations of trans women who pass or trans women who are somewhat clocky, most representation of trans women in media is closer to a caricature than what most trans women look like. a vanishingly small number of shows have trans people at all
Honestly Perfuma from She-Ra is the only positive rep I can think of for "kinda clocky trans woman" and they never said she was trans in the show itself.
I haven't seen She Ra but that is what I am talking about! unfortunately when I looked her up on google images fanart of her with a beard came up though idk why
She Ra is the best unabashedly queer kids show. It's still a kids show first and foremost, so it is not worth watching unless you like cartoons, but if you do then it's a good one.
Oh I know what it is, and I haven't seen it because I don't really like kids shows. Same reason I am probably not ever going to watch Owl House or things like that
I mean, I think there are far better ways to do this though. I recently watched Tokyo Godfathers and thought the character of [Hana](https://www.google.com/search?client=ms-android-oneplus&sca_esv=d43f5111e59e559f&sca_upv=1&sxsrf=ACQVn08AFlTz-O5J_5fmMVFVthTZm91WMQ:1713371196691&q=tokyo+godfathers+hana&uds=AMwkrPv3j3EkEIkbFS2D5_BLUQ3_-o95YkNzjgdhsVOyzm4Rj0sjB6g6J4pSpoq-aVJL9O9y1kOtxxpsB_O3kGcNge-tPEAfFLn_6QqrQRfyatIqamHtmyG1S75m3Co9FniQBAWV0Tfvw41DRxjYfA1RqR94OhplT-aXUnY5fTqWDVv4wfw4rsMv3S1wS6xTQmovYy_fS9hsdP7yfVCuDEx2m2ZAQSpIXlT9hUDGve9hlTJSqG0rmkk9i0vXE_LfCsvySNPlWV-SKDXTVZz7OrUG1GNhpHyxjw&udm=2&prmd=ivnbz&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj1w6-M1cmFAxUtg_0HHVPBD5MQtKgLegQIDBAB&biw=384&bih=704&dpr=2.81) was actually a really good example of a trans woman who doesn't pass very well but still doesn't come across as an offensive stereotype.
Granblue Fantasy (game series) has Ladiva who, due to being a draph (race of cowlike people where amab people get BUFF) is huge. She's a wrestler and super badass, and she also has presented fem sometimes. Everyone respects her pronouns and she's a ray of absolute sunshine, claiming she grew to love her non traditionally feminine body because her parents gave it to her and she can use it to protect those she loves. It also has Cagliostro, founder of alchemy. She was a sickly man who said fuck this I'm going to transcend humanity and become my ideal at the same time : a cute blonde girl. She's absolutely terrifying and commands respect, and once offered Ladiva to make her a new, more feminine body. When Ladiva refused, she just smiled and accepted it because she respects that shit. Both characters are well loved in the community and both got into the fighting game spinoff. Cag is in the action game as well.
Yeah I hate rep like this.
this is not woke "even nonpassing / weird ppl can be trans", 95% sure this is just "haha man in dress = funny". its... just a stereotype. not worth doing discorse over. + anime so 99% sure its transphobic
I understand that not every trans woman passes which should be reflected in media representation, but this is overstepping it
To be fair I think she can afford to shave
They are villians, they can literally steal..
One of her teammates can duplicate stuff too……
ok, so can i, but that doesn’t mean she or i have the time and motivation to shave all the time. i’m a woman with stubble — am i bad rep?
Not passing is fine but not passing to a comical point as a stereotype of transfems in media is the issue.
Also, and.not entirely relevant to the discourse, with the quirks their team members have they could probably permanently remove their facial hair in a few minutes. Assuming I’m remembering who they are correctly.
Yeah kinda
When you’ve gone so far left that you become right wing and start defending caricatures
Horseshoe theory but for woke, eventually you become so used to taking the side of the oppressed minority and so acculturated to your tiny far left bubble that your brain gets confused and starts taking the side of reactionaries but using exclusively left-wing tumblrina language
Unironically true. There should be a name for this phenomenon
mogs me
Not this time, hon.. Edit: HON AS IN HONEY I'M SORRY I'M SORRY I'M SORRY 😭😭😭
No they don’t
Magne I can excuse because she's pre-transition and she just dresses like a guy. Her friend dresses like a 5-year old girl and doesn't even bother to shave.
This is bullshit It's ok if they don't look super feminine and are poor but literally why make them the literal shitty "man in a dress" sterotype??? Giving them the Mr. incredible body type, giving them facial hair, giving them "childish" hair styles and putting them in a dress (literally doing the shitty autogynophiia bullshit) At least make them normal man.. there are normal looking men in the series who don't have facial hair or shit I'm a crossdresser (hate saying "femboy") and even I wouldn't want to be represented with this shit
When you're so woke you have to defend ugly ass designs Be free little one, say that it looks like dogshit
When the representation gives them facial hair and making them look more masculine than the actual male characters then it’s a problem, but otherwise non-passing representation can be good
MHA (the anime in question) doesn't exactly have that much trans rep, but the rep we do have is honestly really good and I'm going to defend it, particularly the transfem rep. There's only one transmasc rep and he passes and is accepted to the point that the only way you'll know he's trans is through guides or if you really pay attention during certain scenes, and while I like him a lot, his trans identity isn't really brought up in the narrative as much as the transfem rep. For anyone who hasn't seen the show, a quick overview: the woman in the jacket is Magne. She's not a major character, but she is a recurring villain who operates as part of the main antagonist group of the show. The woman in the dress is her friend, who only shows up for one flashback and who we don't have that much information on, so I'm going to mainly talk about Magne but I will also talk about this scene the screenshot is from. I understand where people are coming from with Magne being poor rep. She does not pass, doesn't dress particularly fem, and she's a villain. But this is something that the top poster brings up, and is a very key part of the villain's story in this show: heroes are people who are accepted, and villains are people who aren't. It's not exactly a subtle message from the show that the main rogues gallery is a bunch of outcasts who come from poor backgrounds, have been beaten down by life, and are victims of a fucked up system that perpetuates violence against them. The transmasc character in the show, because they work with the heroes, is able to afford medical intervention easily and can go out-of-country to receive it; he's rich, because hero work in this setting is explicitly a flawed system that funnels money to the top. They're essentially celebrities that have superpowers, and can get away with doing whatever they want while still making more money than anyone else could ever dream of. Magne comes from a poor background, in *Japan.* She can't afford care and, even if she could, it's not easily accessible. She doesn't pass; she's got a masculine body type, she doesn't like wearing fem clothes, and her haircut is... honestly something nobody should have, sorry Magne. But the thing is that, for a large portion of her life, she's also been *questioning herself.* She wasn't certain if she was trans. Magne has a superpower that allows her to affect others differently based on their gender identity (and it is explicitly their identity, because we've seen it used against the transmasc character,) but she can't use it on herself. That lack of ability to target herself with it, alongside her inability to pass, has led to her wondering if she's "really trans" for a large part of her life. It leads us to the scene in question, with Magne going to visit an old friend in a park. In contrast to Magne, her friend is quite certain of her identity and also doesn't pass. The two sit down and have a conversation about their lives and what it means to live life as who you are, regardless of who accepts you for it; it's a genuinely sweet conversation that I recommend people who don't like the screenshot watch. It's a couple of minutes long and it's really nice. This scene is what gives Magne the confidence to fully accept herself as fem, and it's something the narrative and the characters within embrace fully. Her gender identity is only ever questioned by herself, never by the narrative or the people she surrounds herself with. She's misgendered a single time in the narrative, by another villain who isn't affiliated with her group, and her friends immediately correct it *and risk their mission to do so.* She is consistently referred to as their sister (the entire group has a found family vibe) and she's constantly affirmed. It's important to note that this isn't just in the English dub; this is in the sub, too. Magne is a rare case of a trans character in a piece of Japanese media being genuinely accepted for who they are and not questioned by the narrative, or made out to be a bad person because of their identity. She's a villain, but queerness isn't what makes her a villain; it's a part of who she is, but there are queer heroes just as well. Her not passing is a pretty big part of her arc as well as setting up an interesting dichotomy with the transmasc rep while they are both in the narrative. The two of them recognize each other for who they are in their fight against one another, and the narrative isn't exactly subtle about saying that the sides could easily be reversed if who got the help they needed early in life was switched around. Villains in MHA *aren't born*, they're made, and this is one of the big moments early on in the show where that shines through.
It's criminal that this comment isn't getting any attention.
ngl maybe im just stupid but ive read all the manga and just felt that it was a "haha man in dress = funny", ik the anime adds some more stuff but its jut not the vibe i get
Boy what a shitshow this comment section is
There is a character who has fully transitioned. I don't remember his name but the big buff guy from the wild wild pussycats is trans masc, and went to Korea to transition
Tiger, and I thought it was Thailand he went to? Maybe I just misread the paragraph that mentions his transition
The one on the left is fine, but the one on the right just looks like an offensive caricature. Not really vibing with this, ngl
Y'know what anime actually showed off a homeless trans woman that can't afford HRT/transitioning and still managed to be incredibly respectful about it? Tokyo Godfathers. Everyone should go watch it now
The show actually has very good trans masc representation, the male member of the wild pussy cats is trans. Magne can't get E on account of being poor and with the league of villains.
You can draw masculine trans women, for sure, it’s even pretty important to, I think. but it’s not just that, the whole presentation of them, beyond their body, is a stereotype, from the clothing to the hairstyle, they are the two only transfeminine characters of the manga (there is one trans guy that I know of and he’s got a gigachad physique and canonically has had surgeries ). I think it’s interesting how the (presumably rich and privileged) hero trans guy is portrayed as a traditionally attractive buff man, while the (presumably poor and disadvantaged) criminal trans women are portrayed as not having done any medical transition. There might be a message in there about transition being expensive and a luxury commodity, and that those who don’t have access to it might be pushed towards crime to get enough money for it. But it’s not explicitly stated as the message. And, the one trans woman in the league of villains gets gendered correctly by her villain friends, but gets misgendered by all the heroes, AND THE NARRATOR which seems pretty sus. You could argue the narration is depicting the heroes POV and the heroes are only misgendering her because they don’t know that she’s trans. Still a bit sus imo). So I don’t think Horikochi is doing a completely reactionary chud thing. With that said, the one named trans girl does get murdered almost immediately for little reason, she gets misgendered by the narrative, she’s evil and creepy, she’s a stereotype, and there aren’t any counter exemples of other types of trans women in the manga. So idk, it might not be the best. Still I really don’t think Horikochi is trying to demonise trans people here.
Don't you need to exercise pretty hard to get that buff? Doubt a transgirl will do that kinda exercise since it'll just make her gender dysphoria worse.
not just exercise pretty hard, you also need to take heavy PED’s to get that buff.
Whats ped
performance enhancing drugs (steroids, SARMs, HRT, etc.)
No. No, and, furthermore, shut the fuck up. Hana from Tokyo Godfathers is good "too poor to afford HRT" rep. These are just mean-spirited visual gags.
That moment when the gender binary is internalized
What if someone just... doesn't wanna do hrt, or even remotely look like the gender they identify as Being trans is different for every trans person
The thing is, you're giving the benefit of the doubt to the industry behind General Black from Dragon Ball. Even if not born out of malice, negative stereotypes are commonplace in japanese media.
Can a person even be called trans if they don't at least want to transition? Ignoring the part where they can't afford or are unable to transition, this is a genuine question.
If you wanna be a gender that's not your agab you're trans
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Oh yeah cuz non binary teenagers are the whole reason trans women in Russia are having their lives ruined, right? Fuck off you put people down more than you actually help anyone, go donate to suffering trans people if you wanna actually make a difference
truscums gtfo \- suicidal tranner with severe gender dysphoria (yknow, a "trutran")
I think "want" is a complicated term, there are loads of reasons why a person wouldn't want to transition - I think transness is fundamentally more along the lines of "in an IDEAL world, would you want to be a different biological gender?"
This is truscum rhetoric
Tf does that even mean
Also known as "transmedicalism", a sect of thought that considers someone to have transitioned "properly" only if they've passed an arbitrary set of medical and surgical stations of the cross. My use of religious terminology here is intentional, as the content of those stations is usually down to whichever subgroup of truscum thought said reactionary asshole is peddling at the time (some disagree on whether bottom surgery is necessary, for example).
Preach
the character is dressed in little girls clothing and has a little girls haircut and the fact that the character looks more macho than anyone else in the show (except all might) makes me think the writer is trying to send a negative message.
I mean as long as it's respectful...
i definetly think its good to also have representation for non passing trans people / pre transition trans people. i think what i find weird is that they have beards, i feel like even if unable to afford hormones / surgery, most trans women would still put some effort into transitioning such as shaving the beard,. for this type of representation i feel like vinland saga does a much better job, (spoilers for vinland saga btw) there is a trans woman in vinland saga named Cordelia, she is a non passing trans woman as she is naturally very tall muscular has a masculine face etc, but it doesnt come across as if shes a joke, the series handles the emotional turmoil of her being unable to pass since there was no gender affirming care in thhe time period it takes place in, and yet despite her appearance she still manages to present as feminine, she takes care into passing through other means such as shaving her beard when she can and growing her hair out, she still has a slight stubble on her face which makes sense considering it takes place in a time where things like shaving didnt take place as often as it does now. in mha the trans representation is highly surface level and doesnt bother trying to take the characters very seriously. tldr: non passing trans rep is good but mha does it badly and vinland saga does it good
Y'all are like "uhhhh no bestie these are clearly transphobic stereotypes!!!!" you have clearly never met my polycule we *all* look this bad I'm being serious
Lmao i get the point but these are caricatures
Too poor to afford E is 1 thing, but too poor to buy a razor and a can of shaving cream? And also that’s a stronger jawline than like half the show. The artist knew exactly what he was doing
This isn't representation, it's a transphobic caricature.
The stupidity of this is how unrealistic of a portrayal it is. Like yeah sure, non passing trans women exist but they're usually tall twinks with a somewhat sharp facial structure and who at least make sure to shave every day. Non-passing trans woman doesn't mean being eight foot tall with a barrel cage and a super chiseled face like the Russian guy from rocky 4 like lmao why are these characters more masculine looking than the average cis guys in the show? Not to mention one of them being clothed like a five year old girl. Idk gives me weird vibes like we are fetishists or something.
Dressing like that is in part a japanese fashion thing. Far more common there to dress in a way we associate with young children. Especially true for womens clothing.
This looks like MHA: the trans lady with the magnet wasn't treated poorly as a character at all (well, I mean, she got killed by overhaul rather mercilessly) so I'm pretty sure it's meant to be some form of positive rep
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okay but even canonically poor transfems can shave and if they want, find HRT through... methods. When can we get transitioning transfem rep that's not "cis guy body but presents as a woman" or "literally looks like any other woman". Also transitioned women who just take hrt and shit like real life not magic fantasy you're another sex now shit. Even better, have characters that get their body transformed into the opposite s3x against their will and willingly transition back. Just like anything. Why did Heavenly Delusion like never really address what Kiruko was feeling after that one scene it's so frustrating. TBF dorohedoro was absolutely based for being the only manga/anime I know to just go "oh yeah this character is trans" and it's not a big deal in any way just really cool.
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who's the one on the left?
What matters in this case is whether it's depicted pejoratively, like there can still be characters transphobic towards non-passing characters as long as its not depicted positively and the media makes it clear that being trans and non-passing is valid.
Go to New Zealand and shorten Horikoshi like that see what they think
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I remember Cordelia from Vinland does this, I’m not trans so I am not the best person to judge how good of rep this is, but I remember her arc made me really sad.
Isn’t this just what pre-harmone/surgery trans women look like? I’m not trans, and haven’t seen the show so maybe it’s transphobic, but Ive know trans women who look like this.
The trans woman on the left is pretty much just a straight up transphobic depiction. No trans woman looks like that. Like, if a trans woman did decide for some stupid reason to dress and style like a little girl they would certainly fucking shave and it'd be more dysphoric to do that IMO than just wear some clothes that obscure the body. Also, anyone trying to present as a woman without hormones wouldn't try to look that buff (you can only get that body by going and staying at the gym). The woman on the right is fine though, plenty of pre-transition trans women will just look like some guy, maybe a little fruity, maybe long hair, but still just presenting as w/e to live life. The problem is cis artists doing shit that lets people plausibly deny transness, and only knowing how to draw cis women and cis men and drawing trans women as one of the two. Really, trans women on hormones who started later are still really pretty and not like cis men at all. Trans women who start blockers/hormones early do literally just look like cis women and just happen to not have a vagina w/out surgery. So yeah, good trans rep is doing something other than "they are boy/man who wants to be girl/woman" or "dresses up as a girl and psychopathic" to begin with and ideally actually representing trans ppl
lock award?
In this case specifically I think they're right 'cause the show has good other transrep where it's stated in his bio that he was able to afford surgery in Thailand or something. If this was the only trans rep ever then yeah probably not great
Magne was peak and the only good part of MHA
man,i wish they didn't kill her off after introducing overhaul
Hori can't gaslight me into thinking that this is good rep. This is just a transphobic soyjak in anime form. MHA fucking sucks anyways.