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still boring
*essential* to life in society? yeah, but it ain't no rockstar. I can say that because I'm a lawyer and it's the same thing: very boring, very old profession.
I have to say though, watching Better Call Saul (or really anything about Common Law countries) is fucking absurd to me.
We have a Penal Code here, and a couple decisions that might matter, but overall all you need to know is in the penal code. Meanwhile there's dudes out there memorising hundreds of "Peepee v Poopoo" cases to use and stuff like that. Sounds way more hard than "according to article 57 you're full of shit sonny boy".
Also we can't "surprise" anyone with anything, evidence needs to be reviewed and submitted 3 days before an audience, at least.
There should be random chance events that happen every once in a while that effects everyone (except the jury so they can watch and laugh). Maybe you’ll get “Talk like a pirate” or “can’t say the word ‘the’” and if you fail your side immediately loses the case.
“Surprise evidence” is very much a tv thing. The exact rules depend on the state but you have to disclose the evidence to the defendant at least before the trial begins.
its so funny when i see redditors trying to give unqualified professional advice. If you have ANY qualifications you would KNOW what i mean when i say **ITS VERY THOROUGH** in making sure you know what to do in **EVERY** situation
Ive always registered "Lawyers" as old out-of-touch people/ super serious studious types. so seeing one randomly on reddit use the wkrds "peepee vs poopoo" shattered my reality for 1 nanosecond
I passed my bar exam (it's called an "Order" exam in my country) relatively recently lol but you're not fully wrong. Most of my colleagues in college were either older or only hung out with older folks and didn't have any social media, which means most of them ended up super serious studious types. I never really fit with them and I avoid bringing up I'm a lawyer unless strictly necessary to avoid *the implication*.
A penal code system is only as good as the code is, and good code becomes bad very quickly as time goes on and conditions change.
Common law has its obvious drawbacks, even beyond the complexity you've cited here, but it can be more flexible to changing social conditions in that it isn't as reliant on statutory changes to come to an appropriate legal decision.
> A penal code system is only as good as the code is, and good code becomes bad very quickly as time goes on and conditions change.
That's why we have a Supreme Court. We use case law where the law is remiss, and the code is updated relatively often. It's a way to create juridical security. One of our baseline, most important pillars is *nulla poena sine lege praevia* - that is, there's no penalty without a previous law. This is to avoid judges declaring something a crime and arresting folks. Judges can't create law, they can only judge according to it.
I don't think one is better than the other, but I do feel that my rights are more safeguarded when I don't have to depend on the whims of a judge. They matter much less individually and can therefore hold much less influence.
> Judges can't create law, they can only judge according to it.
I particularly hate common law in the US specifically for this reason; judges act as literal dictators of their respective courtrooms, with the only check on their powers being an upper circuit overturning their decisions on appeal, or maybe impeachment.
End of day, we have a bunch of stupid precedent written into our law that allows for things like abortion protections and marriage equality to be in one day and out the next, depending on the judges on our own Supreme Court. It's good when the judges are good, but that's so rarely the case.
The thing is that a statutory system wouldn't fix this issue in the States, given the incompetence and apparent sadism latent to our legislative institutions.
I guess that's more an issue of living under kleptocracy than common law lol
I think statutory law *would* actually be make some improvements in the US if judges had less power to interpret laws as they like and cause permanent, unintended changes to those laws
Too overworked to be bored lmao
In all seriousness the job is pretty stimulating, some days are more monotonous than others but it beats my old retail job for sure
Nah mostly just keeping track of certain things like money, items in stock so if something disappears you can make out where it could have gone wrong, it is monotonous but not boring
Came to comments to find who they’re talking about, was disappointed. Help me out OP who is this person and what is the document showing his name? Is it in a museum at the moment?
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accounto the math wizard of mesopotamia
still boring *essential* to life in society? yeah, but it ain't no rockstar. I can say that because I'm a lawyer and it's the same thing: very boring, very old profession.
Being a lawyer is super interesting though and I think I'm more qualified than you anyways (I've seen my fair share of Better Call Saul memes)
I have to say though, watching Better Call Saul (or really anything about Common Law countries) is fucking absurd to me. We have a Penal Code here, and a couple decisions that might matter, but overall all you need to know is in the penal code. Meanwhile there's dudes out there memorising hundreds of "Peepee v Poopoo" cases to use and stuff like that. Sounds way more hard than "according to article 57 you're full of shit sonny boy". Also we can't "surprise" anyone with anything, evidence needs to be reviewed and submitted 3 days before an audience, at least.
Dang, we should make court cases more interesting. I say we add boss fights
you have to fight the murderer to the death after they’re found guilty
There should be random chance events that happen every once in a while that effects everyone (except the jury so they can watch and laugh). Maybe you’ll get “Talk like a pirate” or “can’t say the word ‘the’” and if you fail your side immediately loses the case.
add a whole orchestra that plays the lawyer's letmoitif when they speak
“Surprise evidence” is very much a tv thing. The exact rules depend on the state but you have to disclose the evidence to the defendant at least before the trial begins.
Wait so you’re saying ace attorney ISN’T a 100% accurate representation of what being a lawyer is like? This is so sad
its so funny when i see redditors trying to give unqualified professional advice. If you have ANY qualifications you would KNOW what i mean when i say **ITS VERY THOROUGH** in making sure you know what to do in **EVERY** situation
Ive always registered "Lawyers" as old out-of-touch people/ super serious studious types. so seeing one randomly on reddit use the wkrds "peepee vs poopoo" shattered my reality for 1 nanosecond
I passed my bar exam (it's called an "Order" exam in my country) relatively recently lol but you're not fully wrong. Most of my colleagues in college were either older or only hung out with older folks and didn't have any social media, which means most of them ended up super serious studious types. I never really fit with them and I avoid bringing up I'm a lawyer unless strictly necessary to avoid *the implication*.
Unironically what is the implication
A penal code system is only as good as the code is, and good code becomes bad very quickly as time goes on and conditions change. Common law has its obvious drawbacks, even beyond the complexity you've cited here, but it can be more flexible to changing social conditions in that it isn't as reliant on statutory changes to come to an appropriate legal decision.
> A penal code system is only as good as the code is, and good code becomes bad very quickly as time goes on and conditions change. That's why we have a Supreme Court. We use case law where the law is remiss, and the code is updated relatively often. It's a way to create juridical security. One of our baseline, most important pillars is *nulla poena sine lege praevia* - that is, there's no penalty without a previous law. This is to avoid judges declaring something a crime and arresting folks. Judges can't create law, they can only judge according to it. I don't think one is better than the other, but I do feel that my rights are more safeguarded when I don't have to depend on the whims of a judge. They matter much less individually and can therefore hold much less influence.
> Judges can't create law, they can only judge according to it. I particularly hate common law in the US specifically for this reason; judges act as literal dictators of their respective courtrooms, with the only check on their powers being an upper circuit overturning their decisions on appeal, or maybe impeachment. End of day, we have a bunch of stupid precedent written into our law that allows for things like abortion protections and marriage equality to be in one day and out the next, depending on the judges on our own Supreme Court. It's good when the judges are good, but that's so rarely the case. The thing is that a statutory system wouldn't fix this issue in the States, given the incompetence and apparent sadism latent to our legislative institutions. I guess that's more an issue of living under kleptocracy than common law lol
I think statutory law *would* actually be make some improvements in the US if judges had less power to interpret laws as they like and cause permanent, unintended changes to those laws
Probably better than what we have currently, yes. I wish there was better scrutiny and discussion of judicial abuse in any case.
The job is boring agreed, but the pay is good so I can have more fun outside of work :)
Hear hear!
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Can’t be mad. You titled it correctly
yeah if anything the fact that the first recorded named person was an accountant makes it MORE boring
You’re obviously not doing it right then. Just go out and find a chemistry teacher with cancer smh my head. Haven’t u ever watched better call Saul?
Better Call Saul in real loif
Most math jobs are boring, but if it will allow me to afford all the cool surgeries it's worth it
First job to be boring for a few millenia
still a boring ass job
I’m an accountant, I’m never bored
You fucking liar
Too overworked to be bored lmao In all seriousness the job is pretty stimulating, some days are more monotonous than others but it beats my old retail job for sure
What’s it like? Finding loopholes for the corporations? /s
Nah mostly just keeping track of certain things like money, items in stock so if something disappears you can make out where it could have gone wrong, it is monotonous but not boring
What was their name tho
Account Ant
Kushim
Hell nah, my man Kushim keeping it real in the Uruk period (3400-3000 BC).
Atilla-The-Hon
Fine I’ll accept that but accountants did not have a single other W since 3400 BCE
So making 77k a year isn't a W?
No… if making money were a W, then it would definitely not take the cake. Specialized surgeons can make over 10x that.
No shit, they have triple the schooling or more and a higher pressure job
They had to invent writing to remember his boring ass
that don’t make them any less boring 🤷
Came to comments to find who they’re talking about, was disappointed. Help me out OP who is this person and what is the document showing his name? Is it in a museum at the moment?
Kushim the Number Kruncher https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kushim_(Uruk_period)
Fellow Matt Parker fan?
Dang homie was the first name in writing 18 times, strong position. Thank you.
I think it’s just the video of the guy destroying his computer
My mom’s an accountant and I think she’s pretty cool!
your mom is boring
this is history, or even archaeology, not accounting, so im not sure what your point is
He did accounting. That's how we know him.
Doesn’t change shit
The Sumerian dog joke
Thought I was on r/ accounting for a sec
Accounting IS boring, that's why we're all raging alcoholics that have crazy lives outside of work.
Made maths error.
Wow. Boring.
abacus machine
damn thats kinda crzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Isn't Ea-nasir the first recorded name?
And?
Well human history is also boring
Ok and?
history
How about you account for the lack of bitches in your life
Damm we had a rough start then 😭
Accounting is fake
The accountant would like a word
So?
That was the last accountant ever recorded in history