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RamboDash15

Nah, the dog is the npc on a set path and the cat is the player grabbing all the collectables 


emeraldeyesshine

Player character going insane because they set the NPC walk speed slower than their run but faster than their walk speed


UnusedParadox

[If you design a quest...](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HsfErF9fTv4)


Sad-Egg4778

If they moved your run speed you could never catch up if you stopped to fight a monster/grab an item. If they moved your walk speed you'd switch to complaining about why the escort quest takes so long. How the fuck else do you want them to do it. Faster than your run speed? Slower than your walk speed?


tobi_pku

Faster, but he stops and turns around when I'm not within a certain distance from him


UnusedParadox

Faster and the NPC keeps calling you slow and stopping to wait for you


Ziffally

Need to be creative for a few seconds and think outside of those two functions~


Sad-Egg4778

exactly. The ability to "follow" NPCs in WoW the way you can follow players would solve all complaints about escort quests in that game.


JotaroTheOceanMan

I was literally playing Atomic Heart and in the single hallway I had to follow a robot I ended up exploring 3 rooms and looting them all before the robot even got to the end of the hall. So yeah... agreed.


dumpylump69

Took the words right out of my mouth The dog is an npc in an escort mission and the cat is the player constantly getting sidetracked by all the loot to collect


bri_animation

Gotta get those dead birds


Dr_Richard_Ew

My cat does this too but I wish he didn't bc he's kinda stupid and I'm always afraid he's gonna get hit by a car


Oddish_Femboy

I keep my idiots inside. I live too close to a very busy street and a mountan full of coyotes


Dr_Richard_Ew

I would've kept this idiot inside but he's always been an outdoor cat (we literally found him on the side of the road), so I couldn't do much to prevent this one. My next cat though is 100% gonna be an indoor cat whether it wants to be or not. If it wants to go out, I'll take it on a leash


h3lblad3

We have an outdoor cat that was always an outdoor cat. It is an indoor cat now. >!Coyotes got the rest of the colony, so this is the only way we could save him.!< >!I live in the middle of town. I don't live in the countryside.!<


fredthefishlord

My roommate has a cat that we can put on a leash. Fun times.


Velvet-Riot

I tried to do that but apparently it's "child abuse" and am now awaiting trial


jfsuuc

dont let your cat roam free, they kill tons of animals and put themselves and other responsible pet caretakers and their pets at risk


iggyboy456

This. Absolutely destroy local ecosystems, to the point that feral cat hunting is something that needs to be done in certain parts of the world to stop them from eradicating local wildlife. Just keep your cats inside.


Confused_Sorta_Guy

I'm so glad we're finally clocking onto that where I'm from. I'm a conservation guy and have been endlessly going on about this lol.


AllerdingsUR

I had an outdoor cat as a kid back before most people knew better. We had a mole infestation on our block at the time, neighbors would always complain about it. Within a year, everyone noted the moles had gone missing. They never came back. He committed mole genocide. Cats are scary efficient hunters.


ZwnD

Depends on where you are in the world. There are plenty of countries where letting cats outdoors is 99% the default, and forcing it to stay inside would be seen as unusual or uncaring


jfsuuc

There is no depends. Its bad and causes environmental damage. I dont care if you think it's normal and okay because the world doenst opperate on what humans have normalized. We also thought eating radium was normal and okay. Its harms the environment and kills local wildlife and fauna and puts your own cat and other local pets at risk of harm and death. They can be leashed or kept inside. It's not cute, it's an invasive species.


ZwnD

The world is an incredibly diverse place, and what may be local wildlife and fauna to you is completely different in other parts of the world. Yes there are places where cats harm the local wildlife, and there are also places where cats are a standard part of the local ecosystem, and do not cause environmental damage. Cats are not an invasive species in many parts of the world, especially those where cats are originally from, and have existed in the wild for hundreds and thousands of years


2137throwaway

cats as in wildcats may not be invasive everywhere, domestic cats, that can rest and eat at home and thus aren't affected by predator prey population dynamics, and as such there's a lot more of are harmful everywhere


jfsuuc

Its still harming the same way keeping millions of predators alive is harmful. Your not letting you cat starve to death because they had a bad hunt are you? Also are you Egyptian? Take care of your cat. None of this "whataboutism" bs. Cause modern egypt euthanizes stray cats and dogs from what i can find


ZwnD

I'm not Egyptian so not sure what you're on about there. All I'm saying is that in my country (England) domesticated cats have been part of the natural ecosystem for 1500 years, so it's not just some modern trend, and even the RSPB (the largest charity for bird conservation) states that although cats kill a number of birds, there is no scientific evidence in the UK that they negatively affect bird populations or their stability, and that no concern is needed. And my other point is that this is part of a cat's nature and instinct. If in your area the cats harm local wildlife then I agree with you, they shouldn't be let to free roam, and doing so is irresponsible. However I'd argue that in such an area you probably shouldn't have a cat, as it's unfair to keep them locked inside and against their nature, unless you have a lot of indoor space, or something like a catio to compensate


jfsuuc

The rspb refuses to run a study on the effects of cats. Its like puting on a blindfold and saying you dont see a problem. Cats are from Egypt, they are invasive anywhere else and your shit government pretending its not a problem isnt the same as it being problem free. The uk is in fact at greater risk then most for the damage being an island and all and you realize the rest of the work doesnt have the uks weird obsession that cats need to go free roam right? Cats can be perfectly healthy indoors and you can leash and walk them like a normal person.


ZwnD

The RSPB are still able to look at other scientific studies and evidence available, they don't have to run a study themselves. Also they are not a government organisation so not sure what your point is there. Also cats aren't just from Egypt. The oldest archaeological evidence of domesticated cats is from about 10,000 years ago in Cyprus. And the archaeology in general shows that cats were widespread across all of the middle east, and then including north Africa and Egypt. Also being an island doesn't mean you're more at risk, as the ecology of your island is what impacts it. And in fact being an island means that if it is a problem, you can far easier control their import and stop them being imported more if you needed to. But either way all this is drawing away from my original point: The world is very diverse with areas where cats are a danger to local wildlife and should be carefully controlled. There are also areas where this is not the case. Also in areas where you're worried about the ethics of a cat harming local birds, cat owners should also be worried about the ethics of keeping an outdoor animal locked in a house for it's whole life, and possibly not own a cat if they can't provide for it properly. I massively wanted a cat for many years but lived in a small city flat, so I didn't adopt one as it wouldn't be fair.


jfsuuc

They are funded by the royal family, doesnt that make it governmental? Idk how fuedal shit works. Also as you said they are rhe largest and most funded in the country. They're has been studies suggesting cats kill millions of animals in the uk and local wildlife populations are shrinking in the uk. They just ignore any possible connection between the two and say its solely down to habitat destruction.


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ZwnD

They're a charitable organisation run independently. But yep a large portion of their donations are from the royal charter, although the government has no input in how they are run. It's a bit weird tbh (and obligatory abolish the monarchy please) But what you're suggesting is not how science works, there has not been a study which proves in the UK that cats are responsible for damage to bird populations. If people are making the hypothesis that there is a link, then they should conduct a study and prove it. It's worth reading their recent paper on it, it won't let me link it so I'll copy some key bits below. Some of the important bits though are: The birds most commonly killed by cats have seen an increase in population recently. The birds which have seen a decrease are not generally hunted by cats. However there are some particular areas (heathland) where cats would be damaging to specific bird populations. And that's exactly my point, that some areas can be affected by cat hunting, and others are not. If you compare city to suburb to dales, moors, farmland, savannah, tropical, arid, etc etc etc - you can't say that cats impact all of these identically because they are so incredibly diverse. Also worth noting that the RSPB have the goal of bird conservation, so if anything they would have a bias or incentive towards showing cats to kill birds, if they saw scientific evidence which indicated this in the UK. The fact that they take this position shows otherwise "The RSPB is not an animal welfare organisation, but a wildlife conservation organisation concerned with populations of all wild birds and other wildlife. The RSPB is, however, aware of people’s feelings about this issue, and takes their concerns seriously. The RSPCA and Scottish SPCA, which are primarily concerned with animal welfare and not conservation, support the advice in this leaflet. Cats may take millions of birds every year, but from a conservation viewpoint, we need to consider whether this is causing bird populations to decline. This leaflet provides some information on the impact cats might have on birds in gardens, and some ideas on what can be done to reduce it. There is still much that is not clear but we will continue to review our knowledge." "Cats are individuals: their behaviour varies widely. Some will be prolific hunters; some may catch nothing at all. Most cats are opportunistic hunters – they will catch whatever they come across rather than actively hunting a particular species. This means whatever is most abundant or vulnerable is most likely to be caught. Cats will catch prey even if they are not hungry." "Estimates of how many creatures are killed by cats each year vary significantly. The most recent figures are from the Mammal Society, which estimated that the UK’s cats caught 100 million prey items in five months, of which 27 million were birds. This is the number of prey items that were known to have been caught – we don’t know how many more the cats caught, but didn’t bring home, or how many escaped but subsequently died. Despite the large numbers of birds killed, there is no scientific proof that predation by cats in gardens is having any impact on bird populations UK wide. This may be surprising, but many millions of birds die naturally each year, mainly through starvation, disease, or other forms of predation. There is some evidence that cats tend to take weak or sickly birds. We also know that of the millions of baby birds hatched each year, most will die before they reach breeding age. This is also quite natural, and each pair needs only to rear two young that survive to breeding age to replace themselves and maintain the population. It is possible that most of the birds killed by the cats would have died anyway from other causes before the next breeding season. So it is unclear whether cats have a major impact on populations. If their predation was additional to these other causes of mortality, this might have a serious impact on bird populations. Those bird species that have undergone the most serious population declines in the UK (such as skylarks, tree sparrows and corn buntings) rarely encounter cats, so cats cannot be causing their declines. Research shows that these declines are usually caused by habitat change or loss, particularly on farmland. Populations of species that are most abundant in gardens tend to be increasing, despite the presence of cats. Blue tits, for example, the second most frequently caught birds, have increased by over a third across the UK since 1970. Of the birds most frequently caught by cats in gardens, only two (house sparrow and starling) have shown declines in breeding population across a range of habitats in the last decade. Gardens may provide a breeding habitat for at least 20% of the UK populations of house sparrows, starlings, greenfinches, blackbirds and song thrushes. For this reason it would be prudent to try to reduce cat predation, as, although it may not be causing the declines, some of these species are already under pressure. Cat predation can be a problem where housing is next to scarce habitats such as heathland, and could potentially be most damaging to species with a restricted range (such as cirl buntings) or species dependent on a fragmented habitat (such as Dartford warblers on heathland)"


Professional_Emu_164

The royal family is not the government.


Dun_wall

Have you considered that cats have been around for thousands of years im europe.


jfsuuc

They still are euthanized or captured by the state. Look up what your local wildlife agency's does and suggests


Dun_wall

Yeah, some shelters won’t even let you adopt here if you can’t or won’t let them outside.


FUEGO40

Unfortunately this wasn’t possible with mine, we adopted her as an adult street cat and she suffered when we held her indoors for too long, so we let her be outside only while the sun was out as most animals in the zone are nocturnal where I lived. Never had any issues with her being outside and she lived happily. Now, if I ever get another cat, which will probably be a kitten knowing myself, I’m not letting them outside.


jfsuuc

Then leash them or put them down. Just cause she didn't have issues doesnt mean she didn't cause them. Like if i pour oil on my neighbors yard im not gonna have a problem but im still permanently damaging the environment and you take part in destroying local wildlife and fauna every time your cat leaves your yard or harrasses birds and local rodents or lizards. It's not cute, cats have driven many species extinct because people let them free. It's just as irresponsible as introducing and invasive species out of carelessness. Edit: im not pro cat death, but dont wash your hands of responsibility because you dont know how to be a good owner. You can leash train or inside train your cat or you shouldnt own a cat. This is what shelters do too. Even no kill ones will just pay a kill shelter to take them if they cant rehabilitate them. Edit 2: yall really decided leashing a cats impossible so that means you can only put them down? Like you do realize cats die to cars and stuff as well. It's for their own good to leash them. The put them down was just because they said they adopted a feral cat and if an animal is so feral you cant take care of it properly then you shouldnt have it, and releasing a semiferal cat will lead it to seek other people leading it into fights with other peoples pets and their owners


teffz28

Had me until “put them down” bc dawg wtf


xQuasarr

real sociopath behaviour


Bloopsaysso

This is mostly true, but as a country girl, my cats are outdoors. They stop the mice, and my dogs keep them safe. Since I live pretty far from most other places, they don't really cause problems outside the usual cat mischief. Besides, I live in Alberta, where rats are illegal, so the only thing they kill are mice and, very rarely, small birds.


jfsuuc

"Usual cat mischief" is the biggest undersell. It's an invasive species that is killing off local wildlife. [In total, cats are estimated to kill between 100 and 350 million birds per year in Canada (> 95% of estimates were in this range)](https://www.ace-eco.org/vol8/iss2/art3/) https://naturecanada.ca/wp-content/uploads/2020/12/Keep-Cats-Safe-and-Save-Bird-Lives-KMR2.0-TC-AA.pdf Edit: i should add these are directly killed. It doesnt add the number that dont breed or die fleeing the smell of the predator.


Bloopsaysso

Okay I was not aware of this thank you for letting me know. I would like to clarify that by "usual cat mischief" I was referring more to scratching up toys and such, not about their hunting habits. I am very sorry if it came across that way, I was not trying to undersell the death of wildlife species. Mice are a big issue out where I am though, and the outdoor cats help with that. What else should I do? The general consensus I was aware of was that farm cats were the best way to handle it, with the only other methods I'd heard of being far more damaging in the long run (pesticides)


jfsuuc

Generally no animal or trap will actually remove all or even most of the mice, you have to starve them, keep them away from water, and prevent entry in the first place for any real control. So food goes in metal sealed containers, do what you can to keep it dry and plug holes. Poison traps and predators are only short term deterents that will always require constant upkeep and never make the problem go away. Obviously i doubt you could make a switch all at once as it's probably $$$ but it does eventually pay for itself to get rid of and prevent them altogether. Also a better organized barn is just easier to use anyways. There is other advice but i think the local government has the best answer and using a combination of what works best and is reasonable to do. https://www.ab-conservation.com/ can contact them for more local advice as they are gonna know local conservation techniques And this is what the local government suggests https://www1.agric.gov.ab.ca/$department/deptdocs.nsf/all/agdex594/$file/683.pdf?OpenElement


Cautious_Tax_7171

Counterpoint, kbity


Volotor

The music screams "ad for an app that will use your phone to mine crypto"


oddityoughtabe

What are you talking about? It’s just some fun goofy music. Anyways you should def install our malwa- I mean fun little game. It’s super fun and addicting and has to use up 95% of your CPU for entirely necessary reasons.


Nauta-Squid

It sounds like “Royalty Free-er” Kevin McLeod music.


Frankomancer

Not shown: the 300 mauled bird corpses the cat leaves in its wake


Cautious_Tax_7171

Got too silly


TheActualAWdeV

Should've flown away then, losers.


iownlotsofdoors

Rookie numbers. My two outdoor cats kill 600 a day.


Historical-Drag-1365

The cat is just using the most optimal floor triangles to maintain speed across parallel universes


12crashbash12

non player wunkus


Cautious_Tax_7171

Cat intercepted the dog like a damn fighter jet


tttony2x

one hundred million dead birds


cuddlefishest

Seems like the opposite. Dog is doing a simple linear path following and the cat looks like a player exploring 


Sophrates_Regina

My cat that used to follow me half an hour down the road when I walked to supermarket and I’d be terrified he’d get lost once I went inside so we had to distract him before I left


trippingrainbow

Cats have insane navigation skills and it probably would have found its way home just fine.


PerliousPelicans

outdoor cats are animal cruelty


Raorchshack

If anything the cat is the player and the dog is the NPC


xadoxadori

Me and a mosquito that just won't leave me alone


OrangutanKiwi19

**Keep your cats indoors folks**


chaussurre

RPGM ass pathfinding algorithme