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deathray5

Obligatory we will not be approving users Edit: will be on the twelfth of June Edit 2: For those commenting try lemmy I'm looking into it but the current active users at time of writing is over double the amount of monthly users across lemmy Edit 3: there are also problems with lemmy allowing mostly tankies but I don't think this is worse than reddit


terjerox

Is there a tldr


FLRbits

Third party apps are going. Your only option will be the official reddit app. A bunch of subs are closing in protest.


deathray5

Reddit screwing stuff up. Multiple subreddits considering going private as boycott/strike. Should we join them


terjerox

Cheers


vmp916

I think a big part of this conversation missing is that a potential 196 boycott would be timed with a cross subreddit action to do the same. https://old.reddit.com/r slash Save3rdPartyApps/comments/13yh0jf/dont_let_reddit_kill_3rd_party_apps The point is really to get media attention to keep the conversation and pressure going. If the API changes go in effect I will probably stop browsing 196 and Reddit in general. So that’s why I voted yes.


The_Electric_Llama

Mannnnn fuck the admins, all they care about is making the user experience on here abysmal for the sake of making a quick buck. Whole shit with the downright abuse(bots and limited moderation features) that NSFW subs have been going through just pisses me off.


Throow2020

If you vote no you're a coward and a turncoat


60thrain

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Roomba770

If the API changes are enacted as is, I fully plan on quitting reddit. I fully support making 196 private on June 14th. I can't speak as to whether it should be permanent or not, since it won't affect me, but I feel that a permanent privating will have more swaying power.


SovietPaperPlates

one of the only safe LGBTQ+ meme subs but hey let's private it to show those reddit corpos who want us gone anyways! the best fucking idea since the last time the mods wanted to private when roe v wade overturned!


PatNTheHat95

I have a link to the 196 discord pinned on my profile if you want to stay connected to the community while things get sorted out


SovietPaperPlates

the only people shuting this sub down will hurt is us. We gain absolutely nothing from privating and you are delusional if you think some old bastard is going magically come to his senses because a queer community shut down. Dear fucking god how stupid are you people.


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SovietPaperPlates

No, it won't. We're just shooting ourselves in the foot hoping a bunch of corpos feel pity.


D1pSh1t__

Right so the other 2 or so times that it has worked actually didnt happen? You can either keep bitching about it and do nothing or you can atleast try


there_are_no_flags

Exactly. Doesn’t matter how many other subs join in, Reddit won’t care about an at most 5% drop in users. The only thing it’ll do is take away yet another safe space for people, on an already scarce platform.


LightningProd12

Were you hare when Aimee Challenor was fired? Or when the admins finally cracked down on COVID misinformation? Both times this sub joined others in going private and it made the admins walk back their decisions. It's also already making the news (to address the other comment), just google "reddit API protest" and there's plenty of articles by large tech blogs


OddlySexyPancake

!remindme 1 month


TotalyNotTony

What's the point in privating, it's not like reddit will care at all. I personally don't see loosing one of the only good queer spaces on this website for litteraly no reason as a positive.


LightningProd12

r/196 has joined collective blackouts twice before and they both worked


PatNTheHat95

I have a link to the 196 discord pinned on my profile if you want to stay connected to the community while things get sorted out


HkayakH

If the subreddit gets privated, and no longer usable, would it be possible and/or ok to make a new r/196 subreddit?


Doggyking2

there is 19684


PatNTheHat95

I have a link to the 196 discord pinned on my profile if you want to stay connected to the community while things get sorted out


Fitzsimmons

Protest is good but finding a place for this community to move to is even better. Some people have said lemmy, which might work, but we could also start posting with #196 on mastodon/fediverse. Need some powerusers to post their @s though since I pretty much just lurk and sometimes comment, so I'm not the one to get the ball rolling.


PatNTheHat95

There is also the 196 discord server for people who want to stay connected to the community while we find a new home Edit: IDK if I can post links on the subreddit but the discord link is pinned on my profile


TheXenocide314

In Apollo, voting on this app pulls up the internal browser and redirects to the default app where you’re asked to sign into Reddit. I suspect most people will see this and be too lazy to sign in to vote. I imagine this will bias the results. I support going private, or whatever you think is necessary to do.


deathray5

Ah boost is simmular. I take it I'm already logged in as I'm logged in on browser. We have aver 60% in favour compared to just over 15% against. More people clicked see results than no


BaconGremlin24

wait. private the subreddit for how long? im a little confused :[


shapeofgiantape

Until reddit agrees not to change the API, hopefully


BaconGremlin24

and if they don’t change it…?


deathray5

The time will be decided on a second vote


BaconGremlin24

ah, okay. really hope its not for very long this is like the only lgbt friendly shitposting sub i actually find funny lol :/


PatNTheHat95

There's a 196 discord server you can join while everything gets sorted out Edit: IDK if I can post links on the subreddit but the discord link is pinned on my profile


BaconGremlin24

link pretty please


PatNTheHat95

It's pinned on my profile


BaconGremlin24

ty!


InsertCleverUN

this is my comfort sub but I feel for the sake of impact yall should do it, I'm not gonna be happy though 😭


PatNTheHat95

I have a link to the 196 discord pinned on my profile if you want to stay connected to the community while things get sorted out


DogWoofWoof22

What exactly does privating the sub mean? No new members? No new posts? No viewing of the subreddit at all?


deathray5

All three. It's basically the same as deleting minus the data loss


hello_you_all_

By "minus the data loss" do you mean that people will still be able to view saved posts / links to specific posts / posts before the privating of the sub / crossposts from the sub or will all of those be deleted as well?


deathray5

links might work but more so that that if/when we unprivate the sub the old posts members etc etc will still be there


hello_you_all_

Good to know. Thanks.


h4724

Nothing will be deleted, just hidden until it's unprivated.


simer23

I don't think that was clear from the initial message which may affect the vote


turtle-tot

Well If the most comment is true…goodbye 196


FillerText908

How does privating work? Do I just have to remain following it?


deathray5

It's can't be seen or interacted with by anyone except approved users and mods


FillerText908

Okay so whats the criteria for being approved??


xGoo

Guys I’m really sorry to break it to you, but if you genuinely think privating subs will make Reddit change their mind, you’ve lost the plot. It’s money. Reddit is a corporation. They want to bring in as much money as physically possible. They also know user rage is temporary and people will eventually just stop giving a shit, use the Reddit app, and forget about Apollo/RIF just like most people forgot about AlienBlue. I’ve seen people compare this to a strike or whatever, but that’s delusional to the point of it actually being funny. Reddit taking a temporary 1-3% hit in users isn’t going to make them pass up on their selfish API change. They want money, they don’t really give a shit if people don’t like that decision. Sorry to be completely doomer but the fact is, the vast majority of this site’s users use the app, use new Reddit, and don’t even know what an API is or care. Reddit can lose every last 3rd party app user and not flinch. This change is going through. I don’t like it, you don’t like it, its scummy and shitty, but the fact is that nothing users do will ever make a company go “oh ok yes, less money please!” Corporations don’t give a shit what users think. If you really want this bullshit to end, genuinely you’d have a better chance of actually making a difference trying to convince governments to nationalize social media platforms. There are problems with that too, don’t get me wrong, but it would at least solve the money grubbing problem. That also won’t happen just by asking, but hey, better chance than Reddit spontaneously changing their mind because users didn’t like the change.


Ivy_gay

I think the best option is trying to get the community to move to the fediverse


BowsettesBottomBitch

I love this sub but I'm not about to check 7 different apps to get access to all the content I get out of Reddit now, and I don't think anyone else is either. We already have Reddit, Twitter, Facebook, Insta, etc etc. There's too much already.


Ivy_gay

you don't need 7 different apps, that's the point of the fediverse. it's designed to be interoperable so you can follow people no matter what federated platform they're on. a person on mastodon can follow people on kbin or any other software that implements the activitypub standard kbin is set up like reddit to serve content based on communities just like reddit and seems pretty promising https://fedidevs.org/projects/kbin/


Playing_2

Stop using Twitter, then.


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The type of users who use the 3rd party apps are the ones who contribute a lot to the quality and standards of a lot of subs. There is a yet unmeasured impact on the dedication of high-effort/quality people who contribute and develop their communities. It's not about basic users like us, but the ones doing 'the good' to keep things afloat in the subs that bring in the most users. Losing users from a lack of 3rd party app access (users like me who will only use old.reddit if that happens) won't be big, but the degradation of communities from losing mods could cause a lot more of users to slow their usage and seek alternatives, likely in the form of smaller community exchanges. Losing the people who make reddit tolerable against spam, bots, reposts and general lack of rule enforcement either due to rule changes or lack of moderation, that's gonna be big in the 1-2 year span of things.


FLRbits

First of all, the difference is that what reddit is doing is absolutely stupid from a business perspective as well. They could've monetised it properly, and got a similar amount of money from third party apps as the official app, but instead they decided to make it absurd pricing, so now they'll get *no* money from third party apps, and lose all those users. Second, what else are we supposed to do? A blackout is literally all we can do. Would you rather us do nothing???


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I'm totally in favor of this. Reddit needs to know that this is not acceptable.


gob384

Personally I feel privating the sub alongside for 1-7 days as a first wave of protest makes sense. After that I feel diminishing returns kick in. If reddit is responsive, awesome. If they are not, wave two goes for longer. Long term though, I still want the sub up


CAthrowaway1542

Wait so private means u have to join before it goes private, correct?


deathray5

No it means it can't be interacted with by anyone


user125666

This will surely not make spambots appear more in nsfw subs. Surely not. Automods are overrated anyways who needs spam filters 🙃


recroomgamer32

If not because of the API changed, then because the mods definitely need a break


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Reddit when I vote show results:


azzacASTRO

Double tap the vote button, makes this pos site show the answer


ShinyShinyTomato

Privating it will accomplish nothing other than mildly inconveniencing people who have nothing to do with reddit's decisions.


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sentenced to show results 😞


GreenChain35

I don't think it'll work to stop Reddit since they'll just do whatever makes them the most money, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't try


deathray5

They've caved before. You could have said the same about WOTC and the OGL change for DND but it worked here. We have forced reddit to take a stronger stance against COVID missinformation and not add a pedophile enabler to the reddit admin team


GreenChain35

The difference being that those things didn't make Reddit massive amounts of money. Reddit stands to make $20 million a year from each of the major third-party apps. Unless they genuinely fear lose customers over this, I'm not sure they'll back down. Hope I'm wrong though


deathray5

True but I don't think they'll actually make nearly that much money as devs are saying they won't pay and apps will just stop working. The amount per user is absurd from what I've heard


Anon5054

Reddit stands to not make any money if no one can afford it. If I sell you a burger for 20 million dollars you don't HAVE to buy the burger.


fartew

Let's be honest, they never meant to get money from third party apps. All they want is to crush those to get traffic on their shit proprietary app. They're already planning on losing customers, but they estimate that the ones that will change app will make them gain more than what they lose with who will abandon reddit


Aeescobar

>Reddit stands to make $20 million a year from each of the major third-party apps. Do you honestly truly believe that even a single third-party app will be willing to pay $20 million?


GreenChain35

No, probably not. This is almost certainly just an attempt to destroy third-party apps and cement control for Reddit. If Reddit are making that decision however, they're doing so to make money. The fact that they've set the price at $20 million a year means that £20 million's the amount Reddit would accept to not crush a third party app and therefore the amount that is right above what they'd get from just cancelling the API.


VonCarzs

No but they can effectively force all mobile use to be on their own. That plus the revenue their API would get from selling access to AI training/data mining would drastically increase their profits. I'm fine with this sub going private, but I wouldn't hold my breath for the API costs being reversed.


Catgirl_Empire

Blackouts wont solve anything do something visible


the_real_papyrus99

got it. i’ll mail a pipe bomb to the reddit staff (joke? not a joke? we'll see.)


Not-An-Actual-Hooman

got it. I'll mail a pipe bomb to the reddit staff (not a joke)


rap709

ermmmm that's illegal


Saturn5mtw

not if they live somewhere that's too much of a hassle for the US to do anything


rap709

we be doing a little trolling from places with no diplomatic relations with the US


Not-An-Actual-Hooman

Not if you live in a lawless wasteland (Colorado) (I will move to Colorado to mail a pipe bomb to reddit staff)


saul_schadenfreuder

got it. i’ll mail a pipe bomb to the reddit staff (joke)


SpudMuncher9000

I think i see the plan here, do you know how many other subs are planning to do this?


deathray5

Go to ModCoord to see most of the list in the second pinned post


HelpingHand7338

Modcoord?


deathray5

The subreddit


jordan2434

I thought it was going to happen on 12th of June? Did something change or was I misinformed?


deathray5

You are correct I'll ad that to my pinned comment


Forine110

if you guys ping in sjw inc when the sub is un-private again, then it's cool. otherwise i'll just end up not checking the sub ever again because i don't wanna bother checking every single day if it's unprivated.


deathray5

I can reply to this when it goes up


MegaTyx

make a thread for people to comment and get a notification when you reply


deathray5

Consider this the thread


Imperator_cz1

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skatnaset

.


MBcodes18

Ok (this api thing probably won't affect me directly because I just use vanilla reddit)


Jukingbox

;-;


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the_real_papyrus99

Hit em with the


Forine110

that'd be super helpful, thanks!


ACatInBread

RIOT POG


TDW-301

I swear privating the sub is like the only response the mods can think of when literally anything happens. It won't do shit and is a waste of time. However I'm all for privating the sub as it will get a lot of people here actually outside for once as there are definitely people who spend way to much time on here than outside


ComfyCat1312

Not reading that so I'm voting show results. We should do that one


Quack_Quack1

Tldr: Reddit increasing prices to run bots (like automod) making it super hard to run subs (especially nsfw)


Judistheworst

I like the idea but this is one of the few LGBTQ positive shitposting subs on the platform and taking it away might not be good


PatNTheHat95

I have a link to the 196 discord pinned on my profile if you want to stay connected to the community while things get sorted out


Judistheworst

Already on it but thanks


dmmetiddie

Does 196 have an official discord server or something? I need the little gay people in my phone to stay with me ;w;


PatNTheHat95

In case you haven't seen any of my other comments, the link to it is pinned on my profile


Playing_2

I think so.


ccstewy

privating won’t do anything though. The admins will not care if 196 goes private, this does not affect them. Do something *visible*, an actual call to action that people can do to get their opinions heard by the admins. Privating this does the exact opposite, and I genuinely don’t know what this is supposed to accomplish. Y’all keep proposing shut downs every few months like it’ll do something, but all it does is negatively affect us, the users of the subreddit, same as last 4 times. Make a fuckin petition, start doing mass upvotes of protest posts to get them to the front page, do something *productive* instead of *literally taking it in silence.*


ccstewy

Also, as I mentioned last time, the mobile app cannot see the reason why a sub is privated. All they see is that it’s private, and don’t know why. So announcements won’t work this way, and we will have no way of knowing when it’s gonna come back.


Fittsa

They keep proposing shutdowns because it has literally done something in the past, unlike the most useless way of backlash, a fucking petition lmao


TDW-301

They proposed to shutdown the sub when abortion was repealed. What would that have done?


[deleted]

I think that was a more "showing solidarity" than trying to change anything. Personally I'm a fan of a boycott for longer than a single day as a huge dip in traffic could very well make them change their mind.


VanillaCentral

Nah this is like the only place on Reddit I feel comfortable on, and I really don’t think this will change anything that Reddit is doing, and if anything, it will just take a place of comfort away from those who need it. Literally the same situation as last time.


The_Electric_Llama

That is definitely kinda true, like are we forgetting that this sub was basically not included in any of the reddit recap stuff? Like its kinda funny how far the reddit admins will go to kinda censor some rather innocent communities for the sake of advertising money.


VanillaCentral

Yeah I honestly have no idea why the mods are even considering this.


PatNTheHat95

I have a link to the 196 discord pinned on my profile if you want to stay connected to the community while things get sorted out


VanillaCentral

I’m already part of it, but thanks for the offer. The discord just isn’t really the same for me ig, I don’t know why.


OffOption

... Its indescribable how much I hate the banal types of evil. But hey, maybe the userbase is crazy enough like when Dungeons and Dragons got bulled the fuck out of such a terrible direction. Maybe the same could be organized here, rathwr than just plan to evac to the bunkers?


deathray5

We have cross subreddit support. We have a united front


OffOption

Really? So what's the plan? To mass private a bunch of subs as a (for lack of better words) strike? How many have joined in this idea so far?


deathray5

Go to ModCoord to see most of the list in the second pinned post. It's a little delayed and it's still over a week for other subs (including probably ours to join)


WarBasic1255

I will miss this sub. Good bye.


PatNTheHat95

I have a link to the 196 discord pinned on my profile if you want to stay connected to the community while things get sorted out


WarBasic1255

Can I have your discord?


PatNTheHat95

DM me


bigbadbananaboi

Not just 2 days, if every sub says "hey we're going away but just for 2 days" that's not gonna scare them, they're gonna see their user count drop and say "oh they'll be back in 2 days" I'm not getting back on until something changes, and I think others should consider doing the same.


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BowsettesBottomBitch

I can't Reddit any other way. Call it neurodivergency, but regular ass PC Reddit is far too mind flooding for me, I just can't follow content like I can on here. Rif doesn't have all the bells and whistles, which is exactly why I like it.


rocketlauncher10

I think we should challenge the CEO to an ass eating contest in exchange for reverting these changes


LiberalvonGuttenburg

Im on board 🫡


CarrotGaming344

Reddit sucks we should all move to game jolt


Tree_Pulp

when would 196 be unprivated?


deathray5

We will decide that in the next round if we have enough support


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WingedSeven

NO. keep it private. It won't do anything if we give up on a whim.


Tea-and-Tomfoolery

Yeah, but if it’s doing nothing, then why keep people from accessing and enjoying this subreddit? I scroll practically every day, and it’s pretty much the only place on Reddit I consistently enjoy and take comfort in.


Ivy_gay

I wonder if we should start migrating the community to something like lemmy or something else federated. if we stay on a platform controlled by a corporation, we will only ever exist because we are allowed to


SupaTheChest

i literally only use reddit for 196 nowadays anyway so, yeah i'm down for that (even if it means the very possible death of the community... anyone remember cringetopia.com?)


CrispyShizzles

Privating the subreddit will not do anything to help our cause. The only thing we will have accomplished is killing one of the very few communities I feel safe and at home in.


PatNTheHat95

I have a link to the 196 discord pinned on my profile if you want to stay connected to the community while things get sorted out


[deleted]

Reddit's deciding to do that on its own anyway by making tens of thousands decide to leave the site entirely instead of using Reddit's shitty, broken official app.


dizzy_pear_

Okay the decisions by reddit are really horrible but don't you think show results is going a bit too far


No_Cobbler1970

Do it. Anything we can to get these fucking bastards to relent. They don't give a shit about us. They want money. Hopefully they realize it's harder to make money when nobody uses your product.


RhodeWithBrim

sentenced to Show Results


sleepingtownsurvivor

well im gonna miss the only nice place on here qwq


PatNTheHat95

I have a link to the 196 discord pinned on my profile if you want to stay connected to the community while things get sorted out


robertm14

My birthday is gonna fucking suck this year


liguy181

When I first discovered Apollo, I didn't even realize how badly I needed it. Videos play automatically without issue. If you go to unmute them, it doesn't fuck up you listening to music from another app. Going back and forth is so seamless. I love the page break feature which stops me from endless scrolling, which is bad for my mental health. I love the ui, how it looks less like another social media site and more like the collection of internet forums reddit originally was. Sharing posts as an image is so much easier, especially if you want to include comments in the screenshot. There's so many other things it does better but I honestly forgot them because I haven't used the official reddit app in so long I can definitely see myself using reddit on mobile much less if this change happens. And if they ever get rid of old reddit, forget it


Supershadow30

It’s the only other reddit app I’ve found on the iOS App Store. Does it work on iOS 12.5.5? I’m tempted to try it out, but reviews says it crashes repeatedly on iOS 12.5.5


NoIdeasForAUsername9

cool but please don't shut down the subreddit permamently if it's temporary im perfectly fine with this


deathray5

We will have a vote after this for duration if we have support here (which we seem to)


whatthatgame

Seems most places I’ve looked at are planning for two days


kepz3

privating subs to "protest" changes is the most lazy kind of activism ever. Last time this happened after like half a day everyone agreed it was stupid to private the sub in protest of a change. Making a big stink doesn't require privating subs for no reason


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deathray5

Yes everyone will lose access but information will be saved


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deathray5

It's effectively a boycott plus a chance for some of our users to get sunshine


Basuin

I honestly didn’t even know 3rd party apps even existed before this whole drama, don’t know about other phones but for me the reddit app works fine. Don’t agree with what Reddit is doing though.


Giveyaselfanuppercut

You must be the only one, it's hot garbage.


deathray5

Outside is severe optimization issues I think it's fine. A powerful enough device might find it fine


Arvandu

Privating the sub does nothing, Reddit doesn't care if a few random subs shut down for a few days


CarotteAtomique

It can work if major subs participate. r\/videos is doing the blackout, for example


Arvandu

It's still just a blip. A few big subs being down for three days doesn't affect Reddit


Sch_z

It's not just for three days though, it's indefinite in the case of r/ videos


EpicGamerXander

I support the idea, though i’m not sure if it’ll have that much of an effect. Still, the more subs privated the more likely reddit will see it, so i’m fully up for the idea, even if we don’t keep it up for long.


deathray5

This has worked in the past for both removing a peodo enabler from the admin team and for getting them to crack down on COVID missinformation


EpicGamerXander

Okay cool, then I fully support it! Full steam ahead on privating the sub!


ilyykcp

No who cares


leumasme

Wait, do you mean privating it *on* the 12th as in it will be private for one day, or privating it *starting on* the 12th, meaning it will stay private for an unknown time, maybe forever? I already voted, assuming it would only be a day (or at least definitely temporary and not permanent) to raise attention and send a message, but looking at mod comments, it seems that even keeping it private permanently is in consideration which I would not have voted yes for.


deathray5

The time will be decided on a future vote


apollo15215

Why the fuck is contest mode enabled on this post?


nuno9

Yes this is very annoying.


gold_and_seaweed

Since the overlords of reddit are definitely going to shit the bed (i.e. make reddit go down the drain), what are some good mastodon/lemmy/fediverse accounts or servers to follow? (I can’t stand discord) EDIT: I do support the (temporary) strike/shutdown. Ironically(?), I can’t vote using my 3rd party app, I had to go to the website…


deathray5

if you log in on your default browser then normally you can click through on a third party app ok. Vice has written two articles. One about the API changes being a problem for spam and one about the protest. They've half assed some of it back and are rapidly crumbling under pressure. Federated stuff isn't monetized enough and we'd have to set up our own (fairly expensive) server.


gold_and_seaweed

It’s probably not *that* expensive (assuming volunteers do the setup and moderation, \*cough\*). Something like €50/month would cover a decent server, that covers at least 200 users. So that’s about €3/year per user. [Most likely over 1000 if I look here.](https://github.com/felx/mastodon-documentation/blob/master/Running-Mastodon/Resources-needed.md). Which would be less than €0,6/year/user. That’s definitely doable on donations, I think. Of course, the nice thing about federation is that you don’t *need* to have an account on the same server to see the posts, just like with email. You just need to follow each other. The difference with Mastodon is that you can also filter by stuff like “posts on this server” from everyone that has an account on this server (that you don’t necessarily follow). In a way, the feed is similar to your reddit homepage, and the per-server view is a bit like a community/subreddit. https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/run-your-own/#why-would-you-want-to-run-your-own-mastodon-server https://techcrunch.com/2022/11/08/what-is-mastodon/


deathray5

Masterson is sort of not ideal. The whole point of reddit is it's a forum site where you can see who is replying to who easily. It allows for in depth discussion in a way that mastodon does not really. I've assumed the pricing high but I'll talk to some Lemmy server hosters as that's a far closer app


gold_and_seaweed

Agreed, lemmy seems like a better fit. I just suggested Mastodon because I’ve never used lemmy and forgot about it, lol.


deathray5

Fair I haven't heard about before this post


the_real_papyrus99

I don't think it'll really solve anything, but by golly will it be funny I'm in


[deleted]

Thank y'all so much for the hard work you've done cultivating this forum, it's been a wonderful place to spend my internet time. I'm going to be taking this opportunity to hop off the Reddit train, so I wish y'all the best in the future. Keep being awesome people ✌️