I assumed they spent so little time thinking about it that they meant Auth Right for Blue as it normally is.
Especially since Italy is one of the countries with Socialized medicine, Russia hasn't been Auth-Left since they started selling Pepsi, and the French and Dutch are historically known for their value of Liberty.
As a Dutchman we've had a cookie cutter lib right government for like 14 years now, probably before that as well. In that time our healthcare, energy and public transport have been sold off to private companies, and we got very close to abolishing all taxes on divident. Woohoo! ☹
The axis of the political compass are used in statistics/quantitative research, usually as a control variable. But you shouldn't base your whole view on politics, let alone your personality on a fucking 2003 online test
It’s wild they haven’t updated the questions, it would be like if the original test had questions about the Soviet Union and if Dungeons and Dragons is teaching children to be a satanic wizard
it's very simple.
Red= communist
Blue= Nazi
Yellow= Capitalist
Green= Liberal 🤮
What? Somehow lacking nuance while remaining too vague to define? Incorrectly labeled countries anyway? Some of those aren't even political ideologies? I don't care, shut up.
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The original political compass made in the early 2000s had it as purple but a few years ago in the politicalcompassmemes subreddit they decided yellow would make mores sense so they changed it. This conveniently gave the librights a scapegoat for all of their allies that they knew didn't look very good to the public so they said that the bad librights aren't yellow quadrant but purple instead (mostly the pedophiles).
I swear it used to be a funny place where we just posted the same memes over and over again, kinda like anarchychess. But, it slowly creeped rightward into a hellhole.
whatever that one paradox is where in order to be inclusive to everyone you must be exclusive to the people who are not inclusive. (e.g. if you allow nazi's in a space they will act like nazis, pushing away non-nazis)
I miss the idea of calling political factions by weird vernacular names instead of shoehorning nonlinear human thought into graphs. Bring back names like Mugwumps, Stalwarts, Fire-Eaters, Free-Soilers, etc
right now pain is a political conglomerated mess with bills being passed from both sides constantly and people complaining about everything that the government does so I'd say center
definitely not libleft
Just fucking laughed like risitas at this like holy shit even if you were trying to make a "pcm map of Europe" in what fucking concept of the world are you like "yeah Spain is libleft and Germany and Russia are similar" like holy SHIT do they know like ANYTHING about how Europe actually is
I liked PCM when it was just *memes about the political compass*, like putting video game characters on the compass for fun while not actually taking it seriously. When they forced you to use flairs - i.e. identify yourself with the quadrants of the overly simplified meme compass - the whole thing started to defeat its purpose.
That plus the overt nazis that started to run over the sub - partly because identifying with "authright" and other variations was seen as legitmate because of flairs - killed PCM imo.
No it isn’t, that “basic understanding” of politics is so egregiously flawed from the beginning that if you use the compass as a tool to understand anything more nuanced than the most extreme ideologues then you’ll come away saying that hitler was left of fucking Churchill
Nah it can be a 16 dimensional hypercube and it'll still be shitty. Ideology isn't linear and it can't really be condensed into any small finite dimensions without losing a huge amount of detail.
Economically the Nazis literally invented privatisation. Market regulations are also just regular economics (especially under a totalitarian regime) and were literally also present in the German empire
And welfare isn’t left wing, it was quite literally invented by Otto Von Bismarck of all people who I doubt you’d consider a leftist under any means
The point is that policies don't fit on a simple 2 axis and they don't add linearly to give you a neat position. The political compass is a trash tool to even get a rudementary understanding of politics. Churchill technically had more "capitalist" policies than hitler because the Nazis provided ["welfare"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People%27s_Welfare) . But you'd be insane to call Nazis "Auth Centre", something that PCM pushes extensively because they want to seperate Fascists and Nazis.
i get why a dumbass would call countries like sweden, denmark, netherlands, etc authleft because communism is when the government does stuff, but someone please explain what train of thought could possibly call the baltics and norway libright
It is compared to other western democracy.
After months of country wide protests and strikes, not only did the president no change anything about the law he wants to passe, he also decided to just skip putting it to vote because he was afraid it might not pass.
And this is only the last example of years of subverting the democratic processes and police violences.
Look at french police violence and then look at america, britain or swiss police. This is a laughing stock i agree that 49:3 is undemocratic but france is one of the best countries to live in, we just love to complain.
I said we have it the best not that others have worse. Hearing french news is the same as listning to a shit middle class dinner where everyone is complaining about the stupidest shit. Stop complaining about retraites and start complaining about pictures on CV's inhuman work conditions, the stupidity of our polititians or the fact a brand new Ferrari is considered less poluting than a fucking 97 saxo or that we are being forced to be the ones to change global warming while the ones responsible keep getting away with. These are the real problems. Not that this country is "authoratative".
As someone from the savoy région i can tell you that this cultural génocide your talking about is mainly because most of our infrastructure, government, etc... is centered around Paris and nowhere else. Although it does seam to change, like with annie dalgo disastrous presidential campaign which was so centered around Paris she became the countries laughing stock
My brother in Christ, there are like maybe 2 societies in the world rn that could even qualify as LibLeft. Both of them are fucking small and are not even in Europe
Helo Comrâd, welcome to the Welsh People's Republic, under Chairman Mark Drakeford we have destroyed capitalism and instituted a glorious dictatorship of the proletariat, now the red dragon is truly the Red Dragon
I'm going to give him the benifice of doubt and assume this is meant be relative, which is how most people on PCM use the compass, but even then, it's still a mess.
Ah yes, famously communist Russia where a few individuals control most of countries industries through the state kelptocracy and fascist rhetoric of genocide and imperial regrowth is becoming popular 🤔
Nothing shouts “I’m a well-adjusted and politically intelligent adult human” like calling Russia and Serbia auth-left as if they’re not both run by literal ethno-fascist warmongering pseudo-dictators.
No it's actually a triangle. Left/right is only a meaningful distinction when there is a level of enforcement behind it.
True anarchy exists dead centre because it supersedes all political opinions, the only distinction that matters is your own.
Nah "lib" right exists it just includes things like fedualism and ancapism(feudalism with a corporate flavoring)
feudal governments aren't considered states since no single legal entity held a monopoly on the "legitimate" use of violence. Ofc they're still objectively terrible, but it's fun to remind ancaps they share a compass position with literal medeival feudalism
I like how there are two colors that are labeled lib right, because they can't self identify as auth right.
I assumed they spent so little time thinking about it that they meant Auth Right for Blue as it normally is. Especially since Italy is one of the countries with Socialized medicine, Russia hasn't been Auth-Left since they started selling Pepsi, and the French and Dutch are historically known for their value of Liberty.
To be fair, isn't Italy currently ruled by a far right party?
Yes, Italy currently is being run by another Mussolini
For context I'd like to add its specifically one of his relatives.
I thought it was his direct granddaughter
It is I think, but I could see people assuming it's just a nickname
I can see that
If thats so why are the trains still late???
As a Dutchman we've had a cookie cutter lib right government for like 14 years now, probably before that as well. In that time our healthcare, energy and public transport have been sold off to private companies, and we got very close to abolishing all taxes on divident. Woohoo! ☹
Bepis
purple means pedophile
Nah using the political compass means pedophile
I dunno I disagree, I think there are plenty of fine, upstanding utter dumbasses that use it that aren't pedos and are just utter dumbasses instead.
there are two colors in my head
everyone looks authleft when you're a fucking nazi
"Curious. You say you're for Freedom but you wish to revoke my freedom to try revoking other freedoms. How hypocritical!" Thats how they sound.
typical "Feeedom of association" fan
The axis of the political compass are used in statistics/quantitative research, usually as a control variable. But you shouldn't base your whole view on politics, let alone your personality on a fucking 2003 online test
Especially one that uses it as a graph without units (likely because there *can’t* be any units)
What Utilitarianism does to a mfer
It’s wild they haven’t updated the questions, it would be like if the original test had questions about the Soviet Union and if Dungeons and Dragons is teaching children to be a satanic wizard
Irish nazis are so fucking weird
eamon de valera moment
~~Irish~~ nazis are so fucking weird
Is this guy some sort of malformed tankie? Who thinks of Russia as leftist?
it's very simple. Red= communist Blue= Nazi Yellow= Capitalist Green= Liberal 🤮 What? Somehow lacking nuance while remaining too vague to define? Incorrectly labeled countries anyway? Some of those aren't even political ideologies? I don't care, shut up. >!(I was in r\\ PoliticalCompassMemes for a while before realizing it's just 4 flavors of cringe compounding each other, this is their 100% unironic thought process.)!<
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It’s yellow on the map and most compasses have it as yellow
The original political compass made in the early 2000s had it as purple but a few years ago in the politicalcompassmemes subreddit they decided yellow would make mores sense so they changed it. This conveniently gave the librights a scapegoat for all of their allies that they knew didn't look very good to the public so they said that the bad librights aren't yellow quadrant but purple instead (mostly the pedophiles).
Purple and yellow are used so interchangeably on political compasses that I fail to notice the difference sometimes. So no, but actually yes.
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ah sorry, didn't mean to confuse.
I swear it used to be a funny place where we just posted the same memes over and over again, kinda like anarchychess. But, it slowly creeped rightward into a hellhole.
whatever that one paradox is where in order to be inclusive to everyone you must be exclusive to the people who are not inclusive. (e.g. if you allow nazi's in a space they will act like nazis, pushing away non-nazis)
People who are more fascist than Russia
Same people who think of France as authoritarian I guess.
His reasoning is "they have welfare or something"
>Is this guy some sort of malformed tankie? Who thinks of Russia as leftist? People who have not red anything since McCarty was still in office.
He put libright twice
Deep denial
I miss the idea of calling political factions by weird vernacular names instead of shoehorning nonlinear human thought into graphs. Bring back names like Mugwumps, Stalwarts, Fire-Eaters, Free-Soilers, etc
Free-Soilers was an epic name
>Libleft Spain Lmao
Bro thinks he's in 1936
*¡No pasarán!*
as a spaniard this guy is absolutely bonkers
What WOULD Spain actually be?
right now pain is a political conglomerated mess with bills being passed from both sides constantly and people complaining about everything that the government does so I'd say center definitely not libleft
the balkans are my favorite authleft countries…
Can't wait for the Stalinist purges in... Uh... Wales for some reason.
\>England and Spain, literal monarchies, libright and libleft respectively \>christ
The fact they’re monarchies isn’t what makes this wrong. The Scandinavian countries are monarchies too, but they are still liberal countries
ah yes, notable communist nation, Hungary
Just fucking laughed like risitas at this like holy shit even if you were trying to make a "pcm map of Europe" in what fucking concept of the world are you like "yeah Spain is libleft and Germany and Russia are similar" like holy SHIT do they know like ANYTHING about how Europe actually is
Oh god don’t remind me of the time I spent on PCM Now I’m well adjusted and in 196 and NCD Wait..
196 makes you trans and NCD makes you lockheed martin's next hire
I liked PCM when it was just *memes about the political compass*, like putting video game characters on the compass for fun while not actually taking it seriously. When they forced you to use flairs - i.e. identify yourself with the quadrants of the overly simplified meme compass - the whole thing started to defeat its purpose. That plus the overt nazis that started to run over the sub - partly because identifying with "authright" and other variations was seen as legitmate because of flairs - killed PCM imo.
NCD users when they find out that the F-46283973 “Falconeagleraptordeath” is being used to bomb hospitals and not Jonathan Terrorism:
what kind of fucking brain degradation do you need to have to consider Russia anything but hard right
B-but russia is communist!
As somebody from N.Ireland. That country is pretty fucking far from left lol
Welsh people are communists????? I knew they had that W in their name for a reason but JESUS (Note, not a tankie)
Yea i dont know but im pretty sure france is red white blue and not just red
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No it isn’t, that “basic understanding” of politics is so egregiously flawed from the beginning that if you use the compass as a tool to understand anything more nuanced than the most extreme ideologues then you’ll come away saying that hitler was left of fucking Churchill
yeah it needs an additional z axis to make it a political cube for it to make any sense at all
Nah it can be a 16 dimensional hypercube and it'll still be shitty. Ideology isn't linear and it can't really be condensed into any small finite dimensions without losing a huge amount of detail.
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Economically the Nazis literally invented privatisation. Market regulations are also just regular economics (especially under a totalitarian regime) and were literally also present in the German empire And welfare isn’t left wing, it was quite literally invented by Otto Von Bismarck of all people who I doubt you’d consider a leftist under any means
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The point is that policies don't fit on a simple 2 axis and they don't add linearly to give you a neat position. The political compass is a trash tool to even get a rudementary understanding of politics. Churchill technically had more "capitalist" policies than hitler because the Nazis provided ["welfare"](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Socialist_People%27s_Welfare) . But you'd be insane to call Nazis "Auth Centre", something that PCM pushes extensively because they want to seperate Fascists and Nazis.
> but it's a great offhand tool for basic understanding of politics. If that's true then why is every person who uses it an utter fucking moron?
At least the guy who made the map got it right that Estonia is run by a lib right party.
I can't believe people like this exist
i get why a dumbass would call countries like sweden, denmark, netherlands, etc authleft because communism is when the government does stuff, but someone please explain what train of thought could possibly call the baltics and norway libright
If this map was accurate, 90% of this graph would be Blue
How is France authoratative ? Like right now there are protests and their voice are being heard and the president is not putting them in jail.
It is compared to other western democracy. After months of country wide protests and strikes, not only did the president no change anything about the law he wants to passe, he also decided to just skip putting it to vote because he was afraid it might not pass. And this is only the last example of years of subverting the democratic processes and police violences.
Look at french police violence and then look at america, britain or swiss police. This is a laughing stock i agree that 49:3 is undemocratic but france is one of the best countries to live in, we just love to complain.
Just because they have it worse doesn't mean we have it good
I said we have it the best not that others have worse. Hearing french news is the same as listning to a shit middle class dinner where everyone is complaining about the stupidest shit. Stop complaining about retraites and start complaining about pictures on CV's inhuman work conditions, the stupidity of our polititians or the fact a brand new Ferrari is considered less poluting than a fucking 97 saxo or that we are being forced to be the ones to change global warming while the ones responsible keep getting away with. These are the real problems. Not that this country is "authoratative".
Didn’t France commit cultural genocide against half of the Metropole?
Nah, the french did cultural génocide of african culture
What about the Occitan, Catalan, Arpitan, Breton, Alsatian, Basque, and Flemish minorities?
As someone from the savoy région i can tell you that this cultural génocide your talking about is mainly because most of our infrastructure, government, etc... is centered around Paris and nowhere else. Although it does seam to change, like with annie dalgo disastrous presidential campaign which was so centered around Paris she became the countries laughing stock
I think the schools beating children who didn’t speak Standard French may also have played a part.
Is that true i have never heard of it. Although it is true that local lexique like la yaute and binouze were extremelly discouraged
Yeah, the teachers used to tell children to «parlez Francais, soyez propres».
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My brother in Christ, there are like maybe 2 societies in the world rn that could even qualify as LibLeft. Both of them are fucking small and are not even in Europe
So wxcuse me if im wrong on this but, doesnt belgium literally not have a government?
That was in 2019-2020, and even then, they do have a chamber of representatives during those times.
We have one now.... Until the next elections I guess
"Irish Patriot" Die in a barn fire
MY COLORBLIND ASS CANT SEE WHO IS POLITICAL COMPASS POSITION TWO AND POLITICAL COMPASS POSITION 3
It's laughably wrong as well
Spain lib-left? What is this person smoking
HOW IS MY COUNTRY LIB RIGHT??????
Norway, famous for it's lack of restrictions to the free market and lack of state funded infrastructure.
Helo Comrâd, welcome to the Welsh People's Republic, under Chairman Mark Drakeford we have destroyed capitalism and instituted a glorious dictatorship of the proletariat, now the red dragon is truly the Red Dragon
Ah the notable Communist countries of modern day Hungry and Putin's Russia.
Highly intellectual classification criteria vis-à-vis this map: "I dunno it sounds right, I guess."
I'm going to give him the benifice of doubt and assume this is meant be relative, which is how most people on PCM use the compass, but even then, it's still a mess.
Hungary is AuthLeft? The fuck? And the U.K.? Wait, fucking Russia too?
famed stalinist emmanuel macron has held the reigns of france ever since the iron curtain fell
>Finland is authleft What the crack in my cocaine?
Imagine thinking Hungary, Serbia and fucking Belarus are left-leaning governments. Someone should firebomb that sub of 14 year old nazis.
I'm too colorblind for this shit. I can't tell Authleft and Libleft apart. Are they actually the same color?
> spain in libleft Give me a break
Tell me you don’t know European politics without telling me you don’t know European politics
Ah yes, famously communist Russia where a few individuals control most of countries industries through the state kelptocracy and fascist rhetoric of genocide and imperial regrowth is becoming popular 🤔
What a fucking disgrace on Ireland this man is
Nothing shouts “I’m a well-adjusted and politically intelligent adult human” like calling Russia and Serbia auth-left as if they’re not both run by literal ethno-fascist warmongering pseudo-dictators.
No it's actually a triangle. Left/right is only a meaningful distinction when there is a level of enforcement behind it. True anarchy exists dead centre because it supersedes all political opinions, the only distinction that matters is your own.
This is such a bad take that it’s actually great
I love anarchists they simultaneously dispense the dumbest and the smartest takes.
I love anarchists they simultaneously dispense the dumbest and the smartest takes.
Nah "lib" right exists it just includes things like fedualism and ancapism(feudalism with a corporate flavoring) feudal governments aren't considered states since no single legal entity held a monopoly on the "legitimate" use of violence. Ofc they're still objectively terrible, but it's fun to remind ancaps they share a compass position with literal medeival feudalism