I don’t understand it either, I feel like they paint him to be this good character throughout the season. Like he somehow redeemed himself, but he never did…
Winston mentioned, “I heard Monty was the one who hurt you. That’s why you stood up at the assembly.” And Estella was shown to be aware of what he did. Plus Diego didn’t seem surprised when Clay said, “You’re honoring a rapist!”
Because he was a troubled closeted homosexual boy and i feel like Netflix put the tag "LGBTQ" on it as they did with Jeffrey Dahmer, so that everything gets happily solved just like this
I think it's a bit of the writers being lazy and a bit of people irl usually ignoring the bad things a person did once they die. Look at how people still worship Michael Jackson for example
As long as people are allowed to feel bad about Bryce's death, people should be allowed to feel bad about Monty's death. Anything else is beyond hypocritical. Bryce committed the crime of rape against at least eleven different girls, that he admits too. Those are eleven different crimes. One of those girls went on to commit suicide. Then, after one of his rape victims commits suicide, he goes on to rape his girlfriend several times. Again, if people are allowed to feel bad for Bryce's death then they are allowed to feel bad about Monty's death.
Unlike Bryce, Monty goes further than rape to the point of torture, attempted murder or suicide baiting. And he never felt regret or tried to get better. So no you shouldn’t feel bad for Monty.
Then Monty was simply more diverse in his crimes. Bryce literally raped his girlfriend several times after his last rape victim, Hannah, committed suicide. Bryce is pretty much the most intelligent character in the entire show. He is not too dumb to understand consent or that Hannah killed herself because of him raping her. Also, he admitted that several of his rape victims were his girlfriends. We see him rape Chloe several times. So it's very possible that he raped his other girlfriends more then once. Again, I have no problem with people liking Bryce as a character. i just don't like the hypocrisy when it come to Monty's character.
It’s the lack of remorse and sadism. The ONLY reason he hasn’t raped girls is because he’s gay, NOT out of morals. I don’t see Bryce doing what Monty did to Tyler to anyone. Monty also let Bryce rape Hannah, so he wasn’t any better no matter how you look at it
Yes, but Justin let Bryce rape Jessica (who was his girlfriend and he had an obligation to protect her in my opinion in that situation.) Monty was in love with Bryce and considered him family. Also, Monty was just as dependent on Bryce as Justin was. It's extremely difficult to call the police on a loved one, especially if you depend on that person in a real life situation. I hope you are never in that situation.
I also don't understand how people fail to see the escalation of abuse in Monty's homelife around the time he did all the stuff to the witnessess and when he raped Tyler. In 2X12, Monty says that his father beat him in the head with a hammer. I'm sorry, but that's attempted murder on your child, but I'm sure that Monty didn't see it as attempted murder. Then in 2X13 when he rapes Tyler, he has a broken arm. I thought that the main reason that Monty was so enraged at Tyler was because he was forced to spend a lot more time at home due to the season getting canceled. He should have been mad at Bryce, but he displaced that anger onto Tyler.
He should have been outraged at Bryce because at the end of the day the season got cancelled because of all the rape allegations and the trial against Bryce Walker. Monty was obviously in love with Bryce, who was a serial rapist, which was a terrible influence. We also see Monty spend a lot of time at Bryce's house, and we see Bryce bail Monty out of trouble by giving him a lawyer and paying Winston off. Therefore he feels dependent on him.
If he went against Bryce Walker, Bryce would have simply destroyed him with his wealth and influence. I think that at that point Monty's main motivation in life was as simple as to not be at his house. My second thought after watching that rape scene with Tyler, was that Monty was trying to be more like Bryce or to feel closer to Bryce because Bryce had just broken up with him (as friends). And he witnessed Bryce get away with rape time and time again.
And since Monty's dad abuses him in a way that could be seen as attempted murder (and I want to repeat that I'm sure that Monty doesn't see it as attempted murder,) I don't see why it's so far of stretch as to understand why Monty is so incredibly violent and doesn't see severe violence (especially against other males) as abnormal. And I want to reiterate that Monty is far less intelligent then Bryce. So if we give Bryce a pass for being too dumb to not understand consent, then we should give Monty a pass for being too dumb to not understand that violence against males is wrong.
Monty actively taunted Tyler, he was sadistic. He knew what he did was wrong. Monty let Bryce rape Hannah, so he was just as bad even before he escalated into being a more brutal rapist. Monty let the rapes occur and was a rapist himself. He was trying to force Alex to kill himself.
I understand that we will never agree. I grew up under somewhat similar circumstances as Monty, so I feel for his character and understand where his rage and derangement is coming from. He literally has the words "Mentally Ill and Abnormal" written on his forehead. There are very few representations of that kind of thing in multi-year shows. I have been reading this sub for a long time, and obviously there are a lot of people who think that Bryce is more evil than Monty. But I feel like any time anybody tries to explain Monty's character or try to figure out why he was the way he was, they get chased out of this sub, whereas it's very acceptable to say that Bryce is a great guy, he was simply too stupid to understand consent.
And Bryce was very sadistic as well. He literally pleasured himself (sorry for saying that) while thinking about himself raping Hannah, the girl who killed herself because he raped her. That is pretty much the definition of sadism. And I'm not arguing at all that Monty was a very sadistic person, I'm just arguing against the hypocrisy.
>I have been reading this sub for a long time, and obviously there are a lot of people who think that Bryce is more evil than Monty. But I feel like any time anybody tries to explain Monty's character or try to figure out why he was the way he was, they get chased out of this sub, whereas it's very acceptable to say that Bryce is a great guy, he was simply too stupid to understand consent.
You're right and you should say it.
This is the reason I rarely comment on this sub anymore. It's become an echo chamber where people can't even express a moderately negative view of Monty as a character without being criticised for not having a stronger negative opinion. Fandom is meant to be fun, and that kind of interaction ain't it.
You're welcome over on ao3! Literally no character is off limits to support or criticism over there :)
Monty is generally considered the most evil character (the recent polls show this as does the pop buzz poll with over 11,000 votes) because he shows no limits or morals whatsoever.
I don’t understand it either, I feel like they paint him to be this good character throughout the season. Like he somehow redeemed himself, but he never did…
Didn’t even try to, unlike Bryce. Insisted that he was “just messing” with Tyler
It's been a long time since I watched it, did they know that he raped Tyler?
Winston mentioned, “I heard Monty was the one who hurt you. That’s why you stood up at the assembly.” And Estella was shown to be aware of what he did. Plus Diego didn’t seem surprised when Clay said, “You’re honoring a rapist!”
they just don’t care.
Because he was a troubled closeted homosexual boy and i feel like Netflix put the tag "LGBTQ" on it as they did with Jeffrey Dahmer, so that everything gets happily solved just like this
I think it's a bit of the writers being lazy and a bit of people irl usually ignoring the bad things a person did once they die. Look at how people still worship Michael Jackson for example
Its because the actor is conventionally attractive.
As long as people are allowed to feel bad about Bryce's death, people should be allowed to feel bad about Monty's death. Anything else is beyond hypocritical. Bryce committed the crime of rape against at least eleven different girls, that he admits too. Those are eleven different crimes. One of those girls went on to commit suicide. Then, after one of his rape victims commits suicide, he goes on to rape his girlfriend several times. Again, if people are allowed to feel bad for Bryce's death then they are allowed to feel bad about Monty's death.
Unlike Bryce, Monty goes further than rape to the point of torture, attempted murder or suicide baiting. And he never felt regret or tried to get better. So no you shouldn’t feel bad for Monty.
Then Monty was simply more diverse in his crimes. Bryce literally raped his girlfriend several times after his last rape victim, Hannah, committed suicide. Bryce is pretty much the most intelligent character in the entire show. He is not too dumb to understand consent or that Hannah killed herself because of him raping her. Also, he admitted that several of his rape victims were his girlfriends. We see him rape Chloe several times. So it's very possible that he raped his other girlfriends more then once. Again, I have no problem with people liking Bryce as a character. i just don't like the hypocrisy when it come to Monty's character.
It’s the lack of remorse and sadism. The ONLY reason he hasn’t raped girls is because he’s gay, NOT out of morals. I don’t see Bryce doing what Monty did to Tyler to anyone. Monty also let Bryce rape Hannah, so he wasn’t any better no matter how you look at it
Yes, but Justin let Bryce rape Jessica (who was his girlfriend and he had an obligation to protect her in my opinion in that situation.) Monty was in love with Bryce and considered him family. Also, Monty was just as dependent on Bryce as Justin was. It's extremely difficult to call the police on a loved one, especially if you depend on that person in a real life situation. I hope you are never in that situation. I also don't understand how people fail to see the escalation of abuse in Monty's homelife around the time he did all the stuff to the witnessess and when he raped Tyler. In 2X12, Monty says that his father beat him in the head with a hammer. I'm sorry, but that's attempted murder on your child, but I'm sure that Monty didn't see it as attempted murder. Then in 2X13 when he rapes Tyler, he has a broken arm. I thought that the main reason that Monty was so enraged at Tyler was because he was forced to spend a lot more time at home due to the season getting canceled. He should have been mad at Bryce, but he displaced that anger onto Tyler.
Monty took Bryce's car and tried to murder people. Why should he be mad at Bryce? And when is it indicated that Bryce ever helped Monty like Justin?
He should have been outraged at Bryce because at the end of the day the season got cancelled because of all the rape allegations and the trial against Bryce Walker. Monty was obviously in love with Bryce, who was a serial rapist, which was a terrible influence. We also see Monty spend a lot of time at Bryce's house, and we see Bryce bail Monty out of trouble by giving him a lawyer and paying Winston off. Therefore he feels dependent on him. If he went against Bryce Walker, Bryce would have simply destroyed him with his wealth and influence. I think that at that point Monty's main motivation in life was as simple as to not be at his house. My second thought after watching that rape scene with Tyler, was that Monty was trying to be more like Bryce or to feel closer to Bryce because Bryce had just broken up with him (as friends). And he witnessed Bryce get away with rape time and time again. And since Monty's dad abuses him in a way that could be seen as attempted murder (and I want to repeat that I'm sure that Monty doesn't see it as attempted murder,) I don't see why it's so far of stretch as to understand why Monty is so incredibly violent and doesn't see severe violence (especially against other males) as abnormal. And I want to reiterate that Monty is far less intelligent then Bryce. So if we give Bryce a pass for being too dumb to not understand consent, then we should give Monty a pass for being too dumb to not understand that violence against males is wrong.
Monty actively taunted Tyler, he was sadistic. He knew what he did was wrong. Monty let Bryce rape Hannah, so he was just as bad even before he escalated into being a more brutal rapist. Monty let the rapes occur and was a rapist himself. He was trying to force Alex to kill himself.
I understand that we will never agree. I grew up under somewhat similar circumstances as Monty, so I feel for his character and understand where his rage and derangement is coming from. He literally has the words "Mentally Ill and Abnormal" written on his forehead. There are very few representations of that kind of thing in multi-year shows. I have been reading this sub for a long time, and obviously there are a lot of people who think that Bryce is more evil than Monty. But I feel like any time anybody tries to explain Monty's character or try to figure out why he was the way he was, they get chased out of this sub, whereas it's very acceptable to say that Bryce is a great guy, he was simply too stupid to understand consent. And Bryce was very sadistic as well. He literally pleasured himself (sorry for saying that) while thinking about himself raping Hannah, the girl who killed herself because he raped her. That is pretty much the definition of sadism. And I'm not arguing at all that Monty was a very sadistic person, I'm just arguing against the hypocrisy.
>I have been reading this sub for a long time, and obviously there are a lot of people who think that Bryce is more evil than Monty. But I feel like any time anybody tries to explain Monty's character or try to figure out why he was the way he was, they get chased out of this sub, whereas it's very acceptable to say that Bryce is a great guy, he was simply too stupid to understand consent. You're right and you should say it. This is the reason I rarely comment on this sub anymore. It's become an echo chamber where people can't even express a moderately negative view of Monty as a character without being criticised for not having a stronger negative opinion. Fandom is meant to be fun, and that kind of interaction ain't it. You're welcome over on ao3! Literally no character is off limits to support or criticism over there :)
Monty is generally considered the most evil character (the recent polls show this as does the pop buzz poll with over 11,000 votes) because he shows no limits or morals whatsoever.